Li-ion 18v or Li-ion 14.4v Should I Build for Nimh 15.6v Power Tool?

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    The Original Battery 15.6v 3Ah
    Normal voltage is 15.6v = 13 cells x 1.2v
    Fully charged voltage is 19.5v = 13 cells x 1.5v
    Capacity 3Ah or 3000mAh
    13 Nimh cells 1.2v 3Ah or 3000mAh
    Lithium-ion battery 18v
    Normal voltage is 18.5v = 5 cells x 3.7v
    Fully charged voltage is 21v = 5 cells x 4.2v
    Capacity is 3Ah or 3000mAh
    5 li-ion 18650 LG 3000mAh 20A
    Lithium-ion battery 14.4v
    Normal voltage is 14.8v = 4 cells x 3.7v
    Fully charged voltage is 16.8v = 4 cells x 4.2v
    Capacity is 6Ah or 6000mAh
    8 li-ion 18650 LG 3000mAh 20A
    The motor can accept 19.5 volts. I think 18v or 5s is the best choice for this project, but the battery case can only load 5 cells so the capacity is only 3Ah. If the motor works well with a 14.4v battery, it will be good because the 14.4v capacity is 6Ah. I decided to build both types for testing. As a result, the drill with 14.4v battery performed well with the test. I think 14.4v is my best choice for this tool.
    I hope you find this video useful and enjoy!
    I am happy to receive feedback, suggestions to improve myself.
    !!! I'm sorry for the mistake if I did this video !!!
    ** I still keep some parts, I want to help the world environment **
    Thank you very much for your likes, comments and subscribe!
    Have a nice day
    Gear Show

Комментарии • 244

  • @diytube2675
    @diytube2675 3 года назад +3

    He is the type of man who does not throw away old tools👍👏

  • @kret63
    @kret63 3 года назад +6

    I would be afraid that too much energy would burn down the motor. Since it's not happening I think I would use 14V for everyday work and I would keep 18V battery loaded for special use or for some other impact tool. Great work!

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +2

      Great point, thank for sharing!

  • @ПетрИванов-ы6е
    @ПетрИванов-ы6е 3 года назад +3

    Got the same situation. I have a cordless drill with two different battery packs. 3S and 4S lithium. One additional cell doesn't matter at all.

  • @patrickmorrissey2271
    @patrickmorrissey2271 3 года назад +3

    Great job Sir.
    I personally would run it with the 18v setup you showed.... It looked to me like it had better rpm's and better torque....
    It'll also be lighter.... Which, if you have to walk around with it some, that will be a plus....

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Okay, thank you so much for sharing :)

  • @FIXDIY
    @FIXDIY 3 года назад +16

    Do not speak, let the tools speak only with their own voice 🌟

  • @alexandres8846
    @alexandres8846 3 года назад +7

    18 volt more power but low runtime!
    14,4 volt good power and runtime is better configuration.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Yes, thank you for sharing :)

  • @leonvanengelen1824
    @leonvanengelen1824 2 года назад +1

    once made an old rusty hilti 15,6 run on the bosch 18v system. no probs so far. just using full batteries and all, so probably 20v-ish. but results ofcourse may vary ;)

  • @jasonhull2163
    @jasonhull2163 3 года назад +1

    Man those old DeWalt impact drivers he used at beginning are some of the longest lasting impact drivers ever, and the old DeWalt Nicad drills from the early 2000’s.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Oh, it's 20 years old.

    • @jasonhull2163
      @jasonhull2163 3 года назад

      Yep I hope it works well for you.

  • @MehmedimS
    @MehmedimS 3 года назад +12

    i thinh when you need powe use 18v, when you need more work time use 14,4v

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Yes, you're right :)

  • @stinkycheese804
    @stinkycheese804 4 месяца назад

    You should run it a "reasonable" amount of time with both packs, and measure how hot the speed controller is getting. Remember to also check at less than full RPM. It is probable that this is the part you would wear out, unless your tasks often put the drill in a near stall state, then with the motor bogged down the 18V will be worse because it's not pulling air through it.
    Ultimately I have faced a similar situation and I chose neither. I would have chosen a 14.4V, 4S1P pack with only 4 cells, because like you, I have multiple drills and when I need high power I will reach for one of my newer more powerful drills, with newer cells in their battery packs as well, so for rebuilding an old drill that already has significant wear anyway, to not push it too hard and make the battery pack retrofit worthless because the drill dies, I would use the drill more for light duty, with ligher weight battery and cutting the # of cells I used would be more important, so it would just be a 4 cell pack and what I'd often end up using one for, is have a 1/4" adapter in it for screw driving, so I have one more powerful drill making the drilled holes then that drill driving the screws, and in that case, since your holes are pre-drilled, the torque isn't needing to be much, and higher RPM just makes modulating the lower RPM you want, require more attention and care.
    However, for lighter weight, that isn't the right drill to choose no matter how little the battery pack weighs. Unless you have other tools that can use the same battery pack, I would question whether it is worth rebuilding a pack for it at all, let alone two packs at different voltages so you need two separate chargers and with one, not even being a regular dock since you need the two separate PSUs so something has to get swapped around to charge both packs, making it less convenient and subject to user error if you aren't paying attention. Likewise having just those battery connectors with wire soldered on, wouldn't cut it for me. I'd want it plug and play for any random soul that comes along and thinks that they know how to charge a tool battery without realizing what you've done. :)
    Plus if your dodgy generic chargers fail and cook the batteries, 4 cells makes a smaller fire than 5 or 8 cells. ;) We could hope that the BMS saves the cells, but to some extent those BMS are only designed to work with a properly functioning charger and could fry themselves if the charger starts getting wonky. Another thing that can fry the BMS is the back EMF from a brushed DC motor, often the BMS have instructions to put a capacitor and/or diode(s) across the power leads to mitigate that. It does make you stop and think, if the BMS fails, will the result just be a dead drill, or worse.

  • @BradyBegeman
    @BradyBegeman 3 года назад +1

    The extra capacity (and potential for more current delivery) here is going to benefit you more than an extra few volts and half the current delivery capacity.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Yes, thank you for sharing :)

  • @MetalRestorationBho
    @MetalRestorationBho 3 года назад +6

    This is the best Editing and Restoration video on RUclips 🤩🥳, i love it😍

  • @michaeldavid4227
    @michaeldavid4227 3 года назад +7

    congratulations friend great job

  • @ВиталийХарькова
    @ВиталийХарькова 3 года назад

    ты молодец! даёшь вторую жизнь старому инструменту.

  • @divan4298
    @divan4298 3 года назад

    Самый лучший канал о реставрации инструмента. Сам думаю свой шуруповерт Bosh psr 12 ve-2 2002 года отреставрировать. Привет из России)

  • @thanosdropsopoulos4555
    @thanosdropsopoulos4555 3 года назад +5

    Nice job man keep up the good work.You're the boss!!!!!

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Thank you so much :)

  • @lolcec81
    @lolcec81 3 года назад

    Комментарий в поддержку видео и канала, а также труда мастера.

  • @MuhammadDaudkhanTV100
    @MuhammadDaudkhanTV100 3 года назад +1

    Beautiful

  • @Unboxing.Channel
    @Unboxing.Channel 3 года назад +1

    yes

  • @boueng
    @boueng 3 года назад +2

    Lord of gear ⚙! 🌹

  • @Kastoraki
    @Kastoraki 3 года назад +1

    It depends on the motor nomimal voltage. If the motor is 15-20V then you can use 5s configuration. If you don't have the motor's data then it's better to go with 4s configuration, in high current loads you might even have better performance than 18V because of less voltage drop and more power from the battery pack! Moreover, if the motor is not capable withstanding 18V in the long run you are diminishing motor's life span.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Okay, thank you very much for sharing :)

  • @sddiymakeitworthit7512
    @sddiymakeitworthit7512 3 года назад +2

    Amazing presentation and super install 👍

  • @thilinaakalanka5678
    @thilinaakalanka5678 3 года назад +2

    Whether it is 18v or 14.4v it is important to have a bms while you charging the battery pack. As drills are highly power consumpting , charging and discharging cycles may very short so you have to charge once a day(may differ).how ever li ion batteries are more dangerous than nimh batteries so you must have a bms. But the issue with having a bms inside a drill is whenever we use to drill something ,onset of drilling: requires a non-rotating stage. In this stage drill motor act as a ohmic resistor, So you know that copper winding inside drill has very low resistance ,so ultimately current goes high as #hit. So BMS definitely cutoff its power and drill goes off. Every time you try to drill something ,this happens. So it's better to measure current draw before setting a battery pack.
    The answer to your question ,according to my knowledge , is to use upper voltage as the voltage go high power of the drill goes high. This is true only if you dont use a BMS inside the drill. So you have to connect battery directly to the drill. But whenever you charging it's better to use a BMS . Unless single cell may die very soon because capacity of each cell is not equal . The cell which has lowest capacity will charge soon as well as discharge soon. This will lead to over-discharge and over-charge of that particular cell.
    Think this may help you in some manner.😊

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Okay, I do appreciate with your information.

    • @thilinaakalanka5678
      @thilinaakalanka5678 3 года назад

      @_Schwalbe_262_ A capacitor won't be effective as a soft starter because if we try to start drill with a load, current drain will exceed the maximum current limit of BMS and it gets off.
      best option to get maximum power of drill while using a BMS is , use BMS to charge cells, but not to supply drill motor. So power line to drill should directly come from battery terminals.
      By this way we can have the maximum power of drill but keep in mind over discharge protection is not available in this method

    • @thilinaakalanka5678
      @thilinaakalanka5678 3 года назад

      @_Schwalbe_262_ images.app.goo.gl/dN2VDThbf45wCdaH7
      here the schematic. The idea was to bypass the bms and supply directly to motor from battery.

    • @DmitryNosachev
      @DmitryNosachev 2 года назад

      @@thilinaakalanka5678 Your advice leads to a risk of damaging the cells by overdicharging or worse - fire hazard in case of motor failure. You should never use li ion batteries without BMS.
      Your BMS may activate due to high starting current, but most of them can be modded to increase the delay of overcurrent protection by soldering a different capacitor to a specific pin.

  • @troyna77
    @troyna77 3 года назад +2

    Hammer time!

  • @DIY_Electron
    @DIY_Electron 3 года назад +2

    using 4s 6AH battery is reasonable in this project. The performance of the machine does not decrease much compared to the battery 5s 3AH

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for sharing :)

  • @dahlesa
    @dahlesa 3 года назад +7

    Hmm, i would prefer 18V on this one since it's also drill.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Thank you for sharing!

  • @kevinwiebe4136
    @kevinwiebe4136 3 года назад +3

    Have you ever tried retro bright on the stained grey parts before? I think it would really improve the look of your tools.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Yes, thank you for the idea.

  • @kahlid-ataya
    @kahlid-ataya 3 года назад +1

    1:00 this way always work 😁😁😁

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Yes, you're right :)

  • @yeagerxp
    @yeagerxp 3 года назад +2

    Excellent work👍👍👍 . Thanks for sharing

  • @markusfpv1349
    @markusfpv1349 3 года назад +2

    My head tells me 14.4v, but my heart wants 18v

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      I have the same thought before I make this project.

  • @bricoda
    @bricoda 3 года назад +2

    Interesting project and great job buddy👍👍👈

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Thank you so much! I'm glad you like it.

  • @robertpoynton9923
    @robertpoynton9923 3 года назад +2

    I have a very similar project in mind. But planning on changing the base of the tool to accept makita batteries that way i dont need an extra charger or need to repack cells and bms. But im unsure if the 15.6v motobo drill will take the higher voltage. Any ideas???

  • @fahedq825
    @fahedq825 3 года назад +2

    👍👍👍👍👍

  • @orlatris96
    @orlatris96 Год назад

    Show, congratulations

  • @Gollammeister
    @Gollammeister 3 года назад +1

    The packing foam may act like an air filter under the batter lid air vents

  • @mrhkexperiment
    @mrhkexperiment 3 года назад

    Nice

  • @jyotishman.97
    @jyotishman.97 3 года назад +2

    Awesome

  • @serkankurt_07
    @serkankurt_07 3 года назад

    Sizi turkiyeden takip ediyorum sizden daha çok dewalt bosch makita şarjlı vidalama ve matkap yenileme videoları bekliyoruz çok temiz ve başarılı işler yapıyorsunuz tebrikler

  • @alessandropezzella855
    @alessandropezzella855 3 года назад +1

    Wow

  • @ЛеонидЯкубович-в8ф
    @ЛеонидЯкубович-в8ф 3 года назад +1

    Well done

  • @user-jr8gp2en9b
    @user-jr8gp2en9b 3 года назад +1

    Very good job, but my friend why you are used Li Io changer why you are not use the normal charger because already you have protection board for Li Io battery.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      The protection board designed to work well with li-ion charger.

  • @喇叭偉
    @喇叭偉 3 года назад +2

    How do you make stickers

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      I make them with Adobe Photoshop and print with Canon inkjet printer.

  • @mezorii1
    @mezorii1 3 дня назад

    Good job sir

  • @ttahouse273
    @ttahouse273 3 года назад

    good chop

  • @danijel124
    @danijel124 3 года назад

    15,6/1,2 (nimh battery voltage) = 13 cells. Nimh batteries can be charged to 1,4 volts so 13*1,4= 18,2 volts. I would say use 18v li ion ;)

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Okay, thank you for sharing :D

  • @josemartinezsanchez4650
    @josemartinezsanchez4650 Год назад

    Geniales como siempre 👍¿Podría mandarme enlace de donde compras esas baterías de litio?

  • @aakashdumala3113
    @aakashdumala3113 3 года назад +1

    Excellent sir ❤️❤️

  • @sniper31013
    @sniper31013 3 года назад +1

    Good job mash'Allah

  • @moroccancreations1522
    @moroccancreations1522 3 года назад

    Good job thanks

  • @bumohamedubualooy7111
    @bumohamedubualooy7111 3 года назад

    u should check the motor rating as the durabilty of rhe windings wire is affected by generated current from the applied voltage, choose the longer life voltage

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Okay, thank you for the tips.

  • @albertoone3663
    @albertoone3663 3 года назад +2

    👌👍

  • @mrmanusia
    @mrmanusia 3 года назад

    The 2nd way to remove drill chuck are commonly works because of kinetic energy I guess

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Yes, you're right :)

  • @ruudmobile6726
    @ruudmobile6726 3 года назад

    Nice job :-) yet again! cheers, Ruud (NL)

  • @amirrezazadeh906
    @amirrezazadeh906 2 года назад

    Hi is there any way except battery cells welder device for assembling? Can you show us?

  • @Da_nick_
    @Da_nick_ 3 года назад

    I’m thinking of way’s to retro fit my grandfather’s makita tool. It’s a 14volt but one of the first 14volt’s the machine just feels so nice in the hand but it’s not powerful enough I’m trying to source materials to covert it to 2021 18 volt standards

  • @vinayjith5832
    @vinayjith5832 3 года назад +3

    ❤Aamezing dude❤

  • @abdulwahid8579
    @abdulwahid8579 Год назад

    Good job 👏

  • @vedantkaothekar8089
    @vedantkaothekar8089 3 года назад +1

    Awesome sir

  • @electricdragon9366
    @electricdragon9366 3 года назад +1

    Is it possible to build a 15.6v 5Ah battery for this power tool, or is it too big for the battery case?
    Also, the capacity of each battery is as follows: 14.4v/6Ah = 86.4 W/hr, 18v/3Ah = 54 W/hr.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Great tips, thank you for sharing :)

  • @mostafaal-mosawi7282
    @mostafaal-mosawi7282 3 года назад

    Thank you

  • @Kamidashi77
    @Kamidashi77 3 года назад +1

    Всё классно как всегда!

  • @takismail
    @takismail 3 года назад +1

    did the same but extended the box and went 2x4 batteries, the way you did it it's not gonna last more than 15 min.

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Okay, thanks for the idea.

  • @Lucas_sGarage
    @Lucas_sGarage 3 года назад

    if u need torque or speed go for 18V but if u need low power for small screws or simply more run time go for 14.4V

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Yes, thank you for sharing :)

  • @حسين-ج9ط7ي
    @حسين-ج9ط7ي 3 года назад

    Thanks 👍👍
    عمل رائع شكرا لك اخي

  • @VforValenti
    @VforValenti 3 года назад

    How do you know if you need more or thicker nickel strips? Do you know how many amperes does the motor draw?

  • @S_e_r_g_ei
    @S_e_r_g_ei Год назад

    Greetings!
    I'm watching from Russia.
    I still didn't understand why this test was needed at the end with different voltage batteries?
    It seemed to me that it works the same way?

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  Год назад

      It isn't the same, 18V is more power that 14.4V, But 14.4v lasts longer than 18V.

  • @zoranghost6068
    @zoranghost6068 3 года назад

    nicely done. the price of these batteries is 2 or 3 times higher than that drill, is it worth doing something like that?

  • @tolentinoosayan3493
    @tolentinoosayan3493 2 года назад

    Hi good day to you sir. I would like to ask regarding to my old tool, a SDS Hammer Drill with a Ni Mh 24V, is it possible to be converted to 24 V Lithium Ion battery? thank you sir

  • @Mrwerk-xq9vv
    @Mrwerk-xq9vv 3 года назад

    Hallo RUclipser, ich hätte eine Frage, wo bekommt man die kleinen Zahnräder her

  • @lightbatmen
    @lightbatmen 3 года назад +1

    Вы слышите это? Детей нет. Они отправились в детдом, чтоб не мешались. (Чёрный юмор)

  • @mekatronikakreatif3578
    @mekatronikakreatif3578 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing

  • @DumasBasocLolDuCang
    @DumasBasocLolDuCang 2 года назад

    Có thể đóng được 10 cell 18650 vào vỏ National 15v6, thành 21v 5Ah, dùng mạch Makita màu vàng 5s65A. Vietnamese.

  • @eccaanto1814
    @eccaanto1814 3 года назад

    you need more fresh repair like loss tension on selector... from cordless drill. because I have some hahahhahaha.... always nice dude... go ahead...🙋🙋

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Thanks for the tips!

  • @naresratchatasuwan5953
    @naresratchatasuwan5953 3 года назад

    Enough room for 5 of 26650 5Ah batteries?

  • @88ElevenShop
    @88ElevenShop 3 года назад

    you use the original 16.8 volta, it will be better for the machine! in Vietnam. This machine uses 16.8 Volta 5ah, the machine is stronger and more durable! Anyway, you did a great job!

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much for sharing :)

  • @rudiaja3690
    @rudiaja3690 3 года назад +1

    Amazing..

  • @janaharajanrajan4652
    @janaharajanrajan4652 3 года назад

    Really good work

  • @faridfarid6606
    @faridfarid6606 2 года назад

    Hi friend good job . please I have drill with 14.4 v 1.3ah what is the chose ans number of the batrie lithiom thinks

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  2 года назад

      Choose high drain battery for your project.

  • @adamjones2025
    @adamjones2025 3 года назад

    All manufactures should not be able to sell there products such as power tools etc etc unless they make spare parts for them as these days you are lucky to even get a replacement part, SICK of this throw away society. I was raised to repair something if it broke.

  • @생각하는나무-u4j
    @생각하는나무-u4j 3 года назад

    Waterproof (shrink tubing) insulation tape work

  • @abhijithgb6641
    @abhijithgb6641 3 года назад +2

    Love from Kerala ❤️

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Thank you :) I wish all indian people save from Covid.

  • @lepore5326
    @lepore5326 3 года назад

    18v for the win. Wouldn’t use any other voltage.

  • @hatran-lj2zq
    @hatran-lj2zq 3 года назад

    quá chuyên nghiệp

  • @andresperez3171
    @andresperez3171 3 года назад

    it is possible to change the motor from brush to brushless

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      Yes, it is great idea.

  • @nirmalrajbongshi2476
    @nirmalrajbongshi2476 3 года назад

    After long time waiting

  • @NgocPham-9596
    @NgocPham-9596 3 года назад +1

    👍👍👍

  • @isabeldelr.delacruzh.3920
    @isabeldelr.delacruzh.3920 2 года назад

    i thijnk that is a national model drill?

  • @ciganylajosofficial4643
    @ciganylajosofficial4643 3 года назад

    Dear GearShow! 18V stronger. :) My opinion.

  • @domelodi
    @domelodi 3 года назад

    I wonder how do you print all these labels. What kind of printer and what software do you use?

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      I use Adobe Photoshop and Canon Inkjet printer.

  • @MYs0708
    @MYs0708 3 года назад

    Good job sir, I like it

  • @janaharajanrajan4652
    @janaharajanrajan4652 3 года назад

    What type of motor is inside

  • @ersinosanmaz5791
    @ersinosanmaz5791 3 года назад

    I built 14,4 v with lithium bataries . But my balanced BMS device broken in a short time. Now doesn,t work. Now ,l will build again. Which BMS device should l use for my drill ?

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      You could find BMS like I use in this video.

    • @ersinosanmaz5791
      @ersinosanmaz5791 3 года назад

      @@gear_show you didn' t share BMS board type !

  • @AwaisEngineer
    @AwaisEngineer 3 года назад

    Great video good brother

  • @WELDEROFMASTER
    @WELDEROFMASTER 3 года назад

    Amazing good video infomation brother 👍

  • @danimkn579
    @danimkn579 3 года назад

    I noticed that in drilling test you anticlockwise rotated to hole.... Was it intentional?

    • @BarneyGumbl3
      @BarneyGumbl3 2 года назад

      It is an optical illusion caused by the speed of rotation of the drill and the cameras shutter speed

  • @zakrytikzuk
    @zakrytikzuk 3 года назад +2

    Снял одну половину показывает другую.....

  • @MrDexi87
    @MrDexi87 3 года назад

    Huge motor , over 20A 15V ?!

  • @DEmma1972
    @DEmma1972 3 года назад +1

    I didnt even realise you could mix lithium and nimh batteries. I thought it was like putting petrol in a diesel car lol

    • @Tegelane5
      @Tegelane5 3 года назад +2

      He didnt mix batteries, one remaining nimh battery cell kept connector in place.

  • @prernajain68
    @prernajain68 3 года назад

    Where do you get these product

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад

      I found these products from recycle shop from Japan.

  • @FerSniper
    @FerSniper 3 года назад

    Спасибо за видео!!!

    • @gear_show
      @gear_show  3 года назад +1

      Да, с удовольствием