Let me know your thoughts on todays news and rumours Time Stamps: 0:00 Intro 0:40 Several Signings - Suter, Mosher, 24 Draft Prospects 5:50 AHL Expanded Playoffs 8:00 Laine Trade Price 11:30 Habs & Jets Trade?
I had a good laugh at this. Why would Montreal offer a 1st for a guy who's unproven plus Mesar AND Harris or Barron? There's no way KH offered this and there's no way the Jets said no.
@@pattylonglegs3353 If you think a former mid-1st who has never played outside the NCAA, has questions about his skating and is known by all to want out of Winnipeg because they don't think he's ready to jump into their lineup = market value of a future 1st plus decent prospect plus young, cap friendly Dman with NHL experience; then it's you who clearly has zero clue about the market.
Harris, Mesar and, a first round pick is already an overpay and it's fine by me to get the trade done since we can afford to right now, but that Winnipeg refuses this makes me want to tell them to take a hike. They are being way too greedy for a player that doesn't even want to be there.
Not a chance mesar first round pick Barron first round pick Harris is a later pick I believe but still a solid defensemen this guy hasn’t played an nhl game and has problems already Winnipeg is not in a position of strength be greedy lose him for nothing then
If Habs did offer that package and Jets refused, they're crazy. That first round pick from CGY could be as high as 11. I would be ready to give Mesar and Harris or Barron + at most the worst of our 2 second rounders in 2025. Jets need to remember they're not in a position of strength regarding McGroarty and Habs don't need to make a trade, so it's take it or leave it.
Let’s shift the discussion to the “American factor” as opposed to the “Russian factor” when drafting young players. A bloated sense of entitlement is much more of an issue than uncertainty about when a player will be released by the Russian hockey federation.
Personally, I wouldn't, as a Hab fan, give up Calgary's/Florida's #1 pick, Harris or Barron plus Mesar for MacGro. That's too much. Mesar was a first round pick two years ago and is only 20. Too early to give up on him. The #1 pick could be a high one. A player to give up higher and instead of Mesar? Sure we have a few, but they are basically untouchable. Finally NO team is going to let a 20 year old college kid, dictate as to which league he wants to plays in. No one, I believe, is that foolish. I smell an attitude here. Best keep away unless things change.
Would you accept McGroarty for a bag of pucks? I know that’s asking ALOT, but like Montreal are a REALLY GOOD TEAM, and woukd just be our HONOUR to give away a #14 overall!! God, you are SO SMART!!
Great Video, as usual, Mike. I think, as I've said, that there's got to be a Laine/Trouba move between The Rangers & The Columbus Blue Jackets (the exchange of the $8M/yrs only makes logical sense - I don't think that there's anything that can be done, but, hope that the Change Of Scenery will work for both). Let me know what you think
Jets should take that deal Mesar probably ends up a bottom 6 guy Harris bottom pair D And 1st Maybe Jets can move Stanley,Pionk,or Iafallo cap or roster circumstances
Hope they stay away from this whiner. Don't need some guy who's never played a game in the NHL and is already whining about wanting to be traded. Let's get a real top 6 forward not some guy that's done nothing
Mesar, Harris and a second draft pick is the way to go. We can afford it, we will still have 2 first round pick and a second round pick, Mesar has potential but has not progressed as expected, Harris is a solid young D who will be very useful for Winnipeg but there is no place for him in MTL.
If it’s Barron: that is three first round picks for one first rounder (Barron, Mesar, and a Calgary 1st). That is such an overpay for an unproven and not a super highly touted prospect. F*** off winnipeg. Let your prospect rot and continue to lose value.
CBJ trying to trade Laine, but it's a tough one. Ridiculous contract, he delivers nowhere near the value, and appears to be a guy who loves the money and lifestyle, but has no love for the game. CBJ would have to retain 50%, a 3rd team would have to come in and retain some more, then maybe some team would roll the dice on him (Vegas). Hate to say it, but I think the guy is done as an NHL player. Maybe too early to write him off. At any rate CBJ need to drastically reduce their value and ask for thus guy.
I’ve never heard any of this about Mesar from anyone who covers the Habs closely so I have to assume this guy is just speculating about what the Habs think of Mesar
that's as much as i'm willing to pay. if the jets value him more than that...they can talk to some other team. we can get by without him. i'm absolutely for trading mesar though. we should have drafted lambert or kulich or bystedt.
The fact that McGroarty " wants " an instant spot in an NHL lineup rather than go to camp and peove you can make the lineup tells me his self entitlement and a pushy agent are things to avoid. The smart move would be making a small deal for Kaliyev from LA for Mesar, we need an early 20s player with some NHL experience. Wpg isn't getting Roy or Beck so that conversation is over so for me if Mesar + Harris or Barron+ a conditional 1st or high 2nd won't get it done then it's time to move on to something else
I'm a Jets fan I Winnipeg. It's going to take a player or prospect equivalent to Ghule to get a deal done, whether it be with the Habs or some other team. Despite these entitlement issues, he's an "A" prospect. The guys a really really solid player. It's going to take an equivalent player or package. Mesar doesn't even move the needle.
Habs should avoid McGroarty drafted #14 in 2022 because of his attitude. Owen Beck also drafted in 2022 #33 is already superior to McGroarty, who is overrated. Habs have a similar player in Joshua Roy 6'0'', 190lbs, drafted in 2021 shoots left also and is garanteed great 3rd line or good 2nd line left wing and has bigger potential than McGroarty and Roy loves Mtl. I would play Mesar in Laval next season in top6 and trade him for 2025 2nd round pick. I would trade Jordan Harris for 2nd or 3rd round pick 2025. I would trade both of those 2nd picks for a 1st round pick 2025. Since Habs won't make won't make the playoffs next season 24-25, if Armia and Dvorak are health, I would trade them for 2nd or 3rd round picks in 2025. And then I would trade also trade both of these picks for 1 pick in 1st round if possible. Can you just imagine if Habs would have 4 first round picks in 2025? Habs would be set for the a very long time with great talent...
Habs should not over pay for this guy.... Calgary are going through a rebuild and players are bailing, DO NOT trade that first round pick for a GREEDY player. Winnipeg can keep him!! Im happy they said no. Habs Move on from this.
How about we trade you PLD for CHRISTIAN DVORAK AND HIS -51?? Or better yet. You can just wait to get him for FREE. Why are Habs fans and Quebecers SO effing dumb??? SMFH
if teams from Canada, seven at this time, form own hockey league, at least four and maybe more would be in Canada league playoffs; and 16 of remaining 25 teams in U.S. would be in playoffs
I thought Montreal cubured was full ? Why would they give masar a player that hasn’t even proved himself NHL ready to the jets. Montreal do better than that !!!!
Mike/TSH didn't say anything about McGroarty being a Slovak. He said that stories originating in the Slovakian hockey media, had mentioned the fact that conversations had been taking place between certain NHL clubs and the Jets, around the time of this year's draft. He then reported that a young Slovak player, Philip Mesa, had been a factor in those discussions (as a potential trade piece). Please listen properly first, before you type in your comments here. That way you won't end up looking silly.
no sale. we have plans for mailloux. we don't need rutger, particularly if he's going to give us attitude. perhaps we'd put him in laval on principle. and he's probably closer to being NHL ready.
@@TopShelfHockey sorry, wasn’t trying to stir up stuff. In my view, you were clearly yawning and then tried to hold it back. I enjoy your content and I am very very choosy on who I watch and you are only 1 of 3.
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Let me know your thoughts on todays news and rumours
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:40 Several Signings - Suter, Mosher, 24 Draft Prospects
5:50 AHL Expanded Playoffs
8:00 Laine Trade Price
11:30 Habs & Jets Trade?
Don't you think that offer from Montreal isn't a huge overpayment? A prospect plus and NHL D plus a first? I sure do noway KH offered that
The asking price is unbelievable! He is NOT worth three first round picks.
I had a good laugh at this. Why would Montreal offer a 1st for a guy who's unproven plus Mesar AND Harris or Barron? There's no way KH offered this and there's no way the Jets said no.
Because of his stock and readiness to play. His junior numbers are good plus he’s a power forward. Plenty of reason…😂
@@pattylonglegs3353that 1st has not played in the nhl either. I think that is more than enough for a guy who has never played in the nhl
@@wizb4707 you clearly don’t understand the market…
@@pattylonglegs3353 If you think a former mid-1st who has never played outside the NCAA, has questions about his skating and is known by all to want out of Winnipeg because they don't think he's ready to jump into their lineup = market value of a future 1st plus decent prospect plus young, cap friendly Dman with NHL experience; then it's you who clearly has zero clue about the market.
Harris, Mesar and, a first round pick is already an overpay and it's fine by me to get the trade done since we can afford to right now, but that Winnipeg refuses this makes me want to tell them to take a hike. They are being way too greedy for a player that doesn't even want to be there.
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It's why you would trade a guy though...c'mon.
Who who and who don’t you want to trade for out #14 overall. Get bent. U are the DUMBEST fanboys in the league.
F-that !
Suzuki, Caulfield, and Anderson for McGroarty and Pionk
Mesar + harris/barron should be close to do it imo , no way they give a 1st rounder with that , at most a 3rd rounder
You over rating those players. Mailloux, a second. And another B prospect
@@Tangerine_6924 I get what you're saying but maybe McGroarty is overrated too
Not a chance mesar first round pick Barron first round pick Harris is a later pick I believe but still a solid defensemen this guy hasn’t played an nhl game and has problems already Winnipeg is not in a position of strength be greedy lose him for nothing then
@@Tangerine_6924don’t want a rapist
@@shanemckibbon2837He’s a 1st rounder too what’s your point
I’d give Harris & our 2nd first round pick next year
If Habs did offer that package and Jets refused, they're crazy. That first round pick from CGY could be as high as 11. I would be ready to give Mesar and Harris or Barron + at most the worst of our 2 second rounders in 2025. Jets need to remember they're not in a position of strength regarding McGroarty and Habs don't need to make a trade, so it's take it or leave it.
Let’s shift the discussion to the “American factor” as opposed to the “Russian factor” when drafting young players. A bloated sense of entitlement is much more of an issue than uncertainty about when a player will be released by the Russian hockey federation.
Personally, I wouldn't, as a Hab fan, give up Calgary's/Florida's #1 pick, Harris or Barron plus Mesar for MacGro. That's too much. Mesar was a first round pick two years ago and is only 20. Too early to give up on him. The #1 pick could be a high one. A player to give up higher and instead of Mesar? Sure we have a few, but they are basically untouchable. Finally NO team is going to let a 20 year old college kid, dictate as to which league he wants to plays in. No one, I believe, is that foolish. I smell an attitude here. Best keep away unless things change.
as always thanks but lol I think you should do a 24/7 habs channel lmbo I appreciate you and the work you do
Harris, barron oe mesar is already way too much throw in that first round pick....no thanks you can keep him
Would you accept McGroarty for a bag of pucks? I know that’s asking ALOT, but like Montreal are a REALLY GOOD TEAM, and woukd just be our HONOUR to give away a #14 overall!! God, you are SO SMART!!
Their first round picks have too much potential right now they both can be pretty high. Multiples 2nds we could do
Great Video, as usual, Mike. I think, as I've said, that there's got to be a Laine/Trouba move between The Rangers & The Columbus Blue Jackets (the exchange of the $8M/yrs only makes logical sense - I don't think that there's anything that can be done, but, hope that the Change Of Scenery will work for both). Let me know what you think
Armchair GM here:
To MTL: Patrik Laine
To CBJ: 2025 2nd rd (PIT)
Josh Anderson
Xavier Simoneau
as montreal i'd do it. i'd want some retention though.
the x-man is talented but he's tiny. i think he's shorter than caufield.
Jets should take that deal
Mesar probably ends up a bottom 6 guy
Harris bottom pair D
And 1st
Maybe Jets can move Stanley,Pionk,or Iafallo cap or roster circumstances
Hope they stay away from this whiner. Don't need some guy who's never played a game in the NHL and is already whining about wanting to be traded. Let's get a real top 6 forward not some guy that's done nothing
no trade 4 montreal.....what u r suggesting is way overpay
Mesar, Harris and a second draft pick is the way to go. We can afford it, we will still have 2 first round pick and a second round pick, Mesar has potential but has not progressed as expected, Harris is a solid young D who will be very useful for Winnipeg but there is no place for him in MTL.
That too much for a player with attitude.
can acquire second round draft pick and AHL prospect trading Laine, especially if retain salary cap hit?
If it’s Barron: that is three first round picks for one first rounder (Barron, Mesar, and a Calgary 1st). That is such an overpay for an unproven and not a super highly touted prospect. F*** off winnipeg. Let your prospect rot and continue to lose value.
If the rumors are true, Montreal is giving up way to much.
I don't remember this many 1st round being signed in their draft year.
Laine back to Winnipeg is a very interesting concept... (Edit 12:10 - If I'm not mistaken, Rutger doesn't have an agent... Just fyi...)
One of the few teams with some cap, and an arguable need for some more top 6 talent...
CBJ trying to trade Laine, but it's a tough one. Ridiculous contract, he delivers nowhere near the value, and appears to be a guy who loves the money and lifestyle, but has no love for the game. CBJ would have to retain 50%, a 3rd team would have to come in and retain some more, then maybe some team would roll the dice on him (Vegas). Hate to say it, but I think the guy is done as an NHL player. Maybe too early to write him off. At any rate CBJ need to drastically reduce their value and ask for thus guy.
If you include 1st then you need to add Gallagher to get rid of worst contract and maybe Anderson.
McGroarty might help Chicago or Columbus in NHL right away? Philadelphia?
I’ve never heard any of this about Mesar from anyone who covers the Habs closely so I have to assume this guy is just speculating about what the Habs think of Mesar
Mesar Harris and our 2nd 2025 might seem like overpay but Mcgroarty will be a great pickup
that's as much as i'm willing to pay. if the jets value him more than that...they can talk to some other team. we can get by without him.
i'm absolutely for trading mesar though. we should have drafted lambert or kulich or bystedt.
Way too much to give up for a guy that hasn't played one second in the NHL....
You growth both communicate wise and engagement. W
We need a D-man that can play now!
Better not happen. Taking someone who doesn’t want to honour his commitment to the team that drafted him is someone to stay away from.
The fact that McGroarty " wants " an instant spot in an NHL lineup rather than go to camp and peove you can make the lineup tells me his self entitlement and a pushy agent are things to avoid. The smart move would be making a small deal for Kaliyev from LA for Mesar, we need an early 20s player with some NHL experience.
Wpg isn't getting Roy or Beck so that conversation is over so for me if Mesar + Harris or Barron+ a conditional 1st or high 2nd won't get it done then it's time to move on to something else
Take out the draft pick and I would say it's fair deal for both sides
Barron(25) mesar(26) and a 1st is ridiculous.
Harris, Mesar + 2nd for Mcgroarty at most
Trading attitude for attitude. Package with a D man but only 2nd round pic should do it
I'm a Jets fan I Winnipeg. It's going to take a player or prospect equivalent to Ghule to get a deal done, whether it be with the Habs or some other team. Despite these entitlement issues, he's an "A" prospect. The guys a really really solid player. It's going to take an equivalent player or package. Mesar doesn't even move the needle.
Keep dreaming
He is a prospect guhle is an nhl player that is not equivalent by any stretch of the imagination
lol no it won’t. And it shouldn’t. Equivalent to Ghule? HAAA!!!
@@kinepik Apparently, to McGroarty, dreaming is about all there is to do in Winnipeg.
@@raymondspruance lol good good
McGroarty wants an NHL paycheque, not AHL pay
then he should earn his job first before demanding it.
Habs should avoid McGroarty drafted #14 in 2022 because of his attitude. Owen Beck also drafted in 2022 #33 is already superior to McGroarty, who is overrated.
Habs have a similar player in Joshua Roy 6'0'', 190lbs, drafted in 2021 shoots left also and is garanteed great 3rd line or good 2nd line left wing and has bigger potential than McGroarty and Roy loves Mtl.
I would play Mesar in Laval next season in top6 and trade him for 2025 2nd round pick.
I would trade Jordan Harris for 2nd or 3rd round pick 2025.
I would trade both of those 2nd picks for a 1st round pick 2025.
Since Habs won't make won't make the playoffs next season 24-25, if Armia and Dvorak are health, I would trade them for 2nd or 3rd round picks in 2025. And then I would trade also trade both of these picks for 1 pick in 1st round if possible.
Can you just imagine if Habs would have 4 first round picks in 2025?
Habs would be set for the a very long time with great talent...
Rutger for Josh and Joel.
Man everyone is on montreal's tip😂
Great channel! I like your topics and how you present the information. Good work
no top 10 draft is my rule for McG
Mesar, Barron, Harris and way more.... Struble, Bogdan, Farrel.... choose 2 lol
Way too much to give up for this player. Calgary pick could be top 10
in which case we don't get it. i'm pretty sure that pick is protected.
Habs should not over pay for this guy.... Calgary are going through a rebuild and players are bailing, DO NOT trade that first round pick for a GREEDY player. Winnipeg can keep him!! Im happy they said no. Habs Move on from this.
How about we trade you PLD for CHRISTIAN DVORAK AND HIS -51?? Or better yet. You can just wait to get him for FREE. Why are Habs fans and Quebecers SO effing dumb??? SMFH
They need to overpay this guy is good
Retard take lol, I’m a Habs fan and the Jets would laugh at this trade
@@jonah.donohuehe’s got dubious stench
Agreed, not worth 1st.
I will just give barron, harris, 3rd round, Mesar and Gallagher.
if teams from Canada, seven at this time, form own hockey league, at least four and maybe more would be in Canada league playoffs; and 16 of remaining 25 teams in U.S. would be in playoffs
I thought Montreal cubured was full ? Why would they give masar a player that hasn’t even proved himself NHL ready to the jets. Montreal do better than that !!!!
To much for my liking.
That's a lousy offer for McGroarty...
If I'm the Jets, I'm sitting on McGroarty until someone offers me a player that's worth something
No
For Laine I would give Mesar Harris and yes Hutson for Laine and a Columbus 2026 first pick
lol mtl wants to trade spare parts for a blue chip prospect
We’ll take Suzuki, Caulfueild and your #5 this year, for McGroarty and Pionk. There.
i doubt the habs would accept
@@user-wr4qh3mt7f That’s great. And we don’t accept their LUNATIC trade proposals.
Montreal fans are smelling glue if they think wpg is letting go of a gifted prospect for Harris and a low pick
Nooooooo trade
McGroarty-- a SLOVAK? he s from Lincoln NE !!
Mesar is the Slovak discussed here
Mike/TSH didn't say anything about McGroarty being a Slovak. He said that stories originating in the Slovakian hockey media, had mentioned the fact that conversations had been taking place between certain NHL clubs and the Jets, around the time of this year's draft. He then reported that a young Slovak player, Philip Mesa, had been a factor in those discussions (as a potential trade piece).
Please listen properly first, before you type in your comments here. That way you won't end up looking silly.
they are talking about Mesar 😂
you clearly weren't listening.
*CERTAINLY*
@@michaelkeller5927 you cry a lot. You must be a Biden lover
what about asking for rheinbacher
why waste your time? you know the answer's not only no, but hell no.
Mailloux for McGroarty one for one.
No Mailloux is a great prospect.
no sale. we have plans for mailloux. we don't need rutger, particularly if he's going to give us attitude. perhaps we'd put him in laval on principle.
and he's probably closer to being NHL ready.
GHULE OR NO DEAL
😅 automatically hangs up the phone.
Umm, how do you expect us to watch you when you are yawning (or holding back a yawn)?
I didn’t yawn at all nor was I close to yawning. I may cleared my throat or something. I think you are over exaggerating
Well he does a decent 'roundup' but his opinions are not thought thru and nothing he says ever happens.
Why are you here? You don’t sound like you enjoy my content. Also if you say nothing I ever talk about happens then you haven’t been paying attention
@@TopShelfHockey sorry, wasn’t trying to stir up stuff. In my view, you were clearly yawning and then tried to hold it back. I enjoy your content and I am very very choosy on who I watch and you are only 1 of 3.
Habs never do anything!
It’s pronounced obviously not obvosly….enunciation!!! Definitely is also pronounced definitely not defily!!
And a**hole is definitely pronounced a**hole, as you must well know, Einstein👍!
As of today's video, TSH has 35.7 million channel subscribers (it's been picking up new ones at an increasingly brisk pace, recently). Exactly how many subscribers does your channel have, then🤔?
Nobody here is remotely interested in your sad drivel, so why not do the real hockey fans here a big favor and buzz off💥!
U R A 🤡!