I shot sony a7iv and a7rv and couldn't get past their colors. While the af is great and controls wonderful,Sony white balance and color science can't just compete with the nikon. As a portrait shooter I found everything am looking for in the nikon Z8.
I shot my first portrait session in a long time on the Z8 and was instantly impressed by the colors! I was shooting with Sonys for the past five years and was used to them at this point.
I was a Sony shooter for years, but trying the Zf made me buy one and become a Nikon fanboy. Both very capable cameras, but I shoot architecture and landscapes 8-10 hours a day 5-6 days a week, so weaknesses come out in those conditions! In my experience, the mirrorless Nikon autofocus system is way more quick, accurate and pliable than Sony with a near perfect hit rate even after thousands of hours of shooting. The colors and white balance of the Nikons is 1,000,000,10% better than Sony, no question! My last Sony was an R5, with 63MP, and “on paper” better dynamic range. In practice however, the Nikon’s image files (in RAW at least) have greater sharpness and show much greater dynamic range than Sony’s. Besides, the Zf is just more fun to own and use….retro, but SERIOUS instead of just a gimmick. ;)
no to be "that guy" but Zf it's not even close on eye detection to the Sony A7III let alone A7IV or A7C II , maybe your use case (architecture) works but for portraits where sony it's just magic and runs circles around sticking and actually having the eye in focus. In rest i love the ZF for looks and color science, but comparing it for portraits ... with 1.8s lenses vs Sony makes me return it and go A7C II or A7IV ...
From a non photographer and stranger who look at your camera hanging on your neck perspective, A7 series and Zf looks the same and just maybe when closer, the Zf has more marking on top because their shape looks basically the same, the prism looking EVF and flat top define their retro SLR look, the A7 is the modern approach of that shape, Zf is the retro approach of that shape, hence if one just want get one for the look, A7 isn't much far away from that shape but come with bigger grip but with he PASM shooting approach, I asked and some eoolenget thebZf for the look but didn't use the dedicated to shutter and ISO dials and end up use the front and rear dials hence at the end even more wasted and they use it like a PASM camera too, what do you think? I plan to get Zf with 28-400mm f4-8 because it fullfill most of what I need and one Sony Xperia 1 VI (16,24,48,85-170, 2X macro) as the everyday waterproof macro camera that always with me, I might get a 14-30 and Voigtländer 50mm F1 later too, what do you think? Can you review the Sony Xperia 1 VI and compare it to the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, and which phone do you think pair the best with photographer and shoot in the most natural looking colour?
Digital Cameras these days are great. At the end the results are made by the user. No body will tell the camera you use. Clients don’t care either. I wish a modern camera would bring more clients but that won’t happen. I’ve had the chance to shoot with the 3 most common brands and they all have pros and cons. Use whatever you have and practice and make art.
For stills both cameras are powered to the hilt. You can create magic with either especially shooting RAW. For video the nikon zf will be the better choice with suitable lenses.
Well comparison..👍🏻 as a owner of zf and z8 I prefer zf more for day to day photography unless i need to go for extreme sport or wildlife shootings which zf also does better but it lacks the resolution of 45mp which z8 has.
All cameras are so good today it’s down to personal preference. For me I don’t care about the technology anymore but strictly the look and the soul of the camera. Sonys look terrible and so far will always be a no.
I moved from a Nikon D770 to a Sony A7R5. I thought I was worried about people saying that Sony colours were not as good, but I can't tell any difference. I bought the A7R5 because I'd seen a few reviews were they said Tue auto iso and auto wb, are good, and they are. I really think on the modern Sony's they have got it right.
@markshirley01 I completely agree that the new Sonys are great. They are implementing the required changes. The colours and auto wb is much better, in the last 1.5 years. I would have no problem using the Sonys. I believe Sony is the second Nikon. And I am very unsure about the value Canon brings.
With "lack of full senser readout" you mean in some crop mode? As Nikon work with seriously professional photographers (the Z 9 was developed in collaboration with a French press agency with 150 full-time pro photojournalists), the thinking must be that "pros see the crop in full frame and apply it in post". That's how we did it when we shot Hasselblad 500 series in the 70s and in the square format we decided for landscape or portrait crops in camera, but could only apply that in post. Or 4"*5" Graflex press cameras in the 40s. Or 35mm full frame. Or Pentax 6x7. Whatever the camera was, crop happened in post. Do we still want/need that today? I'm indifferent about that, as I still shoot in "crop in post" mode. Your files will be equally big as mine, except in crop mode, Nikon's files will be smaller SOOC. If I had a gripe about Nikon's choice, then it would be that they don't give me faster performance in crop mode where the camera has to deal with a lot less megabytes per second, at least between the frame cache and the memory card. If they actually apply the crop in the sensor already, then we should be able to get seriously higher performance speeds in crop modes. As this doesn't happen, I suspect some inflexible "real-time" coding in there ("real-time" means a program, or parts thereof, will execute precisely in a predefined amount of time. Over the past decades, a lot of people started using this jargon in different fine semantics). For full disclosure, I shoot a Z 8. The f/1.8 "S" class lenses are excellent and completely silenced my recurring rant about my F-mount lenses (chromatic aberration and tint differences between lenses), plus the high MP (>= 36MP at FF or in FX mode) Nikons have the OLPF Eliminated and this makes the 45MP much sharper than the numeric difference between 24 and 45 imply. Note that humans reference "resolution" (DPI, PPI) and sharpness (linePairs per millimetre) in "linear" (one dimensional) units. MP are an area unit. If we want to double resolution;sharpness we double the linear unit and e.g. go from 90 DPI to 180 DPI. That's a meaningful difference. For a sensor, linear doubling means that X*Y=MP becomes 2X*2Y=4MP (ceteris paribus, and assuming lenses and processing that can deal with both; and assuming humans can see the difference - probably not). So, "ceteris paribus", 96MP is twice as good as 24MP. But, removing the OLPF means we violate ceteris paribus and incidentally we get about double the sharpness. Compare the Nikon D800 (OLPF) to the D800E (OLPF Eliminated - 2012 released) with the sharpest F-mount lens on both, in DxO Mark. Shocking. Z 6(i, ii, iii) and Z f have an OLPF. None of the 45MP full frame Nikons has one. And, incidentally, a D500 APS-C camera has no OLPF either, which explains why it is so sharp relative to a 24MP full frame.
Nikon zf or A7cii , which one I should buy as a hpbbiest photogrpher . Which one you suggest for travel and blogs and also photography ? I'm user of nikon d3400 want to upgrade to fullfrem mirrorless Please suggest
I used to own a D750 and I have recently upgraded to a Z f 40mm F2 kit. It is a seamless upgrade, everything is familiar to me, took me some time figuring AF settings and i menu. My only complaint is that Nikon Z lens are generally priced higher than Sony E lens in my region (even the same lens from Tamron, talking about 20%). If budget is a constraint, then E system would be a much more lenient. Ofc, I owned no Sony machines and would not consider buying E lens plus a ETZ adaptor. If you find ur DSLR portable chances are you will find Z f equally so (let alone A7Cii which is more lightweight). If you plan to holding the camera for long time then u may need to purchase a rig for ur Z f like I do (which adds weight), or simply go with A7cii. I am still accustoming to the retro control and I miss the way I can quickly change user settings profiles on a dial. Imho a7cii would be a more well-rounded camera with a more matured lens system. Nikon Z f would be a nice choice to use in leisure and a slow-paced setting.
I understand artistic freedom, but why lots of youtubers, videographers, photographers from India have this HDR color correction? Skintones are red, it's all washed out, and colors are too saturated...it's almost unwatchable.
U made this video at the time when you need to compare a7iv with z6iii or Z6iii with a7siii😅 Im a wedding photographer i use D850 Z8 and Z6ii I wish z7iii comes with a 36MP (Im a bit jealous about sony users because they have these a7iv and a7siii and the third party lense ecosystem especially Zeiss) let me explain why the 36MP 24mp is a bit less because hardly allows me to crop on the other hand files from z8 n D850 arent as clean as Z6ii . Maybe its because of high resolution which also could mean more contrasty noise. And after every shoot data from Z8 or D850 feels heavy on storage. I believe in quality of pixel data than quantity of pixel data . with little flexibility to crop and not overburdening me while editing n storage. Finding a balance of all practicality I wish Z7iii comes with a 36MP sensor with clean quality of data. Ppl might call it a downgrade from z7ii 46mp but i know what im n why im saying this There is this Z8 jst in case if any one wants those 46MP files
What AF settings and custom buttons do you use for birding with your ZF? I struggled a bit to nail focus on various bird species recently (herons, egrets, etc). I've heard these species can be problematic for Nikon's algorithms. Have you used 3D tracking or custom AF "boxes" too? What have you found gets the best results and what is your secondary method if animal/bird eye-AF fails?
Just kept the af on to 3d and allow the camera to detect the subject with wide area. If I see that it’s not picking the bird up, I would change the area to a small wide rectangle. That’s all
@@FramesTM do you use any back button focus setup or other custom buttons? On my R5 I have one back button set to bird eye AF and the other set to spot focus in case eye-AF doesn't find the bird. I'm hoping there is a similar effective setup for the ZF.
@bladerealm124 it’s really a budget camera compared to the R5. One thing Nikon keeps for the high end cameras is the subject detect over ride function. So that’s not there in Zf. I used 3D tracking on back button focus and it works flawless
Do you prefer jpeg skintone of sony or nikon? Im using sony now and thinking to swap for nikon system because of zf. Is it worth it? The problem with nikon in my country, their prices is higher 100-200 usd than other countries. Zf is cost more than a74 here.
You can actually change the luminosity and yellow to pink to green to majenta tone for skin in camera, depending on how you need to balance the skin tone.
@@FramesTM is it true that zf dont have memory banks like U1 u2 u3 or m1 m2 m3 in sony cameras? I use this feature a lot Do you have tips to switch minimum shutter speed fastly for auto iso without digging to menu?
The ergos on the Nikon are so much better - the Sony feels like a high end consumer product. The Nikon feels like a high end purpose built photographic instrument. I know what I would rather use. By the way -- I think the Zf runs circles around anything Leica brings to the table - especially after the manual focusing system the Zf has. Makes Leica lens actually usable.
i have one question. why does your video look so bad ? if you review kitchen appliance or shoes i would say ok, but you are a camera guy and your video is horrible.. explain please. lol
Yes but they’re just a vendor. They can choose to not give it. There are other suppliers. Nikon now have 2 sensors that’s not on any Sony. And it’s been a while.
Nikon designs their own sensors. They simply use Sony electronics to fab the sensors. Same as AMD and Qualcom is using TSMC to fab their processors. The sensor IP remains with Nikon. As Nikon is also selling Litography machines, Sony might be using those from Nikon anyway.
Sony has the worst heat dissipation, there cameras turn off so quickly in comoarision to any other brand and if it doesn't turn off the camera heats up very quickly. Luckily my Nikon Zfc is better in that.
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I love how he mentioned that they allow adapters because it is shallower than emount. So you can use things like the megadap.
I shot sony a7iv and a7rv and couldn't get past their colors. While the af is great and controls wonderful,Sony white balance and color science can't just compete with the nikon. As a portrait shooter I found everything am looking for in the nikon Z8.
I agree. For photos, the colours are a bit off
I shot my first portrait session in a long time on the Z8 and was instantly impressed by the colors!
I was shooting with Sonys for the past five years and was used to them at this point.
Im a Zf user and I loved how to described the Zf at the beginning of the video. Keep it up.
I was a Sony shooter for years, but trying the Zf made me buy one and become a Nikon fanboy.
Both very capable cameras, but I shoot architecture and landscapes 8-10 hours a day 5-6 days a week, so weaknesses come out in those conditions!
In my experience, the mirrorless Nikon autofocus system is way more quick, accurate and pliable than Sony with a near perfect hit rate even after thousands of hours of shooting. The colors and white balance of the Nikons is 1,000,000,10% better than Sony, no question!
My last Sony was an R5, with 63MP, and “on paper” better dynamic range. In practice however, the Nikon’s image files (in RAW at least) have greater sharpness and show much greater dynamic range than Sony’s.
Besides, the Zf is just more fun to own and use….retro, but SERIOUS instead of just a gimmick. ;)
Very insightful
How's the ZF's battery life compared to the Sony A7IV or A7III ?
no to be "that guy" but Zf it's not even close on eye detection to the Sony A7III let alone A7IV or A7C II , maybe your use case (architecture) works but for portraits where sony it's just magic and runs circles around sticking and actually having the eye in focus. In rest i love the ZF for looks and color science, but comparing it for portraits ... with 1.8s lenses vs Sony makes me return it and go A7C II or A7IV ...
From a non photographer and stranger who look at your camera hanging on your neck perspective, A7 series and Zf looks the same and just maybe when closer, the Zf has more marking on top because their shape looks basically the same, the prism looking EVF and flat top define their retro SLR look, the A7 is the modern approach of that shape, Zf is the retro approach of that shape, hence if one just want get one for the look, A7 isn't much far away from that shape but come with bigger grip but with he PASM shooting approach, I asked and some eoolenget thebZf for the look but didn't use the dedicated to shutter and ISO dials and end up use the front and rear dials hence at the end even more wasted and they use it like a PASM camera too, what do you think?
I plan to get Zf with 28-400mm f4-8 because it fullfill most of what I need and one Sony Xperia 1 VI (16,24,48,85-170, 2X macro) as the everyday waterproof macro camera that always with me, I might get a 14-30 and Voigtländer 50mm F1 later too, what do you think?
Can you review the Sony Xperia 1 VI and compare it to the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, and which phone do you think pair the best with photographer and shoot in the most natural looking colour?
I’ve never heard someone explaining both quite beautifully 🎉
Well explained. Very well explained
Digital Cameras these days are great. At the end the results are made by the user. No body will tell the camera you use. Clients don’t care either. I wish a modern camera would bring more clients but that won’t happen. I’ve had the chance to shoot with the 3 most common brands and they all have pros and cons. Use whatever you have and practice and make art.
Thanks
For stills both cameras are powered to the hilt. You can create magic with either especially shooting RAW. For video the nikon zf will be the better choice with suitable lenses.
Well comparison..👍🏻
as a owner of zf and z8 I prefer zf more for day to day photography unless i need to go for extreme sport or wildlife shootings which zf also does better but it lacks the resolution of 45mp which z8 has.
All cameras are so good today it’s down to personal preference. For me I don’t care about the technology anymore but strictly the look and the soul of the camera. Sonys look terrible and so far will always be a no.
I moved from a Nikon D770 to a Sony A7R5. I thought I was worried about people saying that Sony colours were not as good, but I can't tell any difference. I bought the A7R5 because I'd seen a few reviews were they said Tue auto iso and auto wb, are good, and they are. I really think on the modern Sony's they have got it right.
@markshirley01 I completely agree that the new Sonys are great. They are implementing the required changes. The colours and auto wb is much better, in the last 1.5 years. I would have no problem using the Sonys. I believe Sony is the second Nikon. And I am very unsure about the value Canon brings.
I actually love how sony a7 cameras look like old blocky film slrs
@@germanfisch there you go! Something for everyone in the camera market to make us all happy
Nikon is better value for money, Nikon S series f1.8 lens are priced similar to the Sony lenses. The only gripe is the lack of full senser readout
With "lack of full senser readout" you mean in some crop mode? As Nikon work with seriously professional photographers (the Z 9 was developed in collaboration with a French press agency with 150 full-time pro photojournalists), the thinking must be that "pros see the crop in full frame and apply it in post". That's how we did it when we shot Hasselblad 500 series in the 70s and in the square format we decided for landscape or portrait crops in camera, but could only apply that in post. Or 4"*5" Graflex press cameras in the 40s. Or 35mm full frame. Or Pentax 6x7. Whatever the camera was, crop happened in post.
Do we still want/need that today? I'm indifferent about that, as I still shoot in "crop in post" mode. Your files will be equally big as mine, except in crop mode, Nikon's files will be smaller SOOC.
If I had a gripe about Nikon's choice, then it would be that they don't give me faster performance in crop mode where the camera has to deal with a lot less megabytes per second, at least between the frame cache and the memory card.
If they actually apply the crop in the sensor already, then we should be able to get seriously higher performance speeds in crop modes. As this doesn't happen, I suspect some inflexible "real-time" coding in there ("real-time" means a program, or parts thereof, will execute precisely in a predefined amount of time. Over the past decades, a lot of people started using this jargon in different fine semantics).
For full disclosure, I shoot a Z 8. The f/1.8 "S" class lenses are excellent and completely silenced my recurring rant about my F-mount lenses (chromatic aberration and tint differences between lenses), plus the high MP (>= 36MP at FF or in FX mode) Nikons have the OLPF Eliminated and this makes the 45MP much sharper than the numeric difference between 24 and 45 imply.
Note that humans reference "resolution" (DPI, PPI) and sharpness (linePairs per millimetre) in "linear" (one dimensional) units. MP are an area unit. If we want to double resolution;sharpness we double the linear unit and e.g. go from 90 DPI to 180 DPI. That's a meaningful difference. For a sensor, linear doubling means that X*Y=MP becomes 2X*2Y=4MP (ceteris paribus, and assuming lenses and processing that can deal with both; and assuming humans can see the difference - probably not). So, "ceteris paribus", 96MP is twice as good as 24MP. But, removing the OLPF means we violate ceteris paribus and incidentally we get about double the sharpness. Compare the Nikon D800 (OLPF) to the D800E (OLPF Eliminated - 2012 released) with the sharpest F-mount lens on both, in DxO Mark. Shocking. Z 6(i, ii, iii) and Z f have an OLPF. None of the 45MP full frame Nikons has one. And, incidentally, a D500 APS-C camera has no OLPF either, which explains why it is so sharp relative to a 24MP full frame.
Nikon zf or A7cii , which one I should buy as a hpbbiest photogrpher . Which one you suggest for travel and blogs and also photography ?
I'm user of nikon d3400 want to upgrade to fullfrem mirrorless
Please suggest
I used to own a D750 and I have recently upgraded to a Z f 40mm F2 kit. It is a seamless upgrade, everything is familiar to me, took me some time figuring AF settings and i menu.
My only complaint is that Nikon Z lens are generally priced higher than Sony E lens in my region (even the same lens from Tamron, talking about 20%). If budget is a constraint, then E system would be a much more lenient. Ofc, I owned no Sony machines and would not consider buying E lens plus a ETZ adaptor.
If you find ur DSLR portable chances are you will find Z f equally so (let alone A7Cii which is more lightweight). If you plan to holding the camera for long time then u may need to purchase a rig for ur Z f like I do (which adds weight), or simply go with A7cii.
I am still accustoming to the retro control and I miss the way I can quickly change user settings profiles on a dial.
Imho a7cii would be a more well-rounded camera with a more matured lens system. Nikon Z f would be a nice choice to use in leisure and a slow-paced setting.
I understand artistic freedom, but why lots of youtubers, videographers, photographers from India have this HDR color correction?
Skintones are red, it's all washed out, and colors are too saturated...it's almost unwatchable.
Different people are used to different things. I have so many comments saying they love it. Difficult to cater to all tastes
U made this video at the time when you need to compare a7iv with z6iii or Z6iii with a7siii😅
Im a wedding photographer i use D850 Z8 and Z6ii
I wish z7iii comes with a 36MP
(Im a bit jealous about sony users because they have these a7iv and a7siii and the third party lense ecosystem especially Zeiss)
let me explain why the 36MP
24mp is a bit less because hardly allows me to crop
on the other hand files from z8 n D850 arent as clean as Z6ii . Maybe its because of high resolution which also could mean more contrasty noise. And after every shoot data from Z8 or D850 feels heavy on storage.
I believe in quality of pixel data than quantity of pixel data . with little flexibility to crop and not overburdening me while editing n storage. Finding a balance of all practicality
I wish Z7iii comes with a 36MP sensor with clean quality of data.
Ppl might call it a downgrade from z7ii 46mp but i know what im n why im saying this
There is this Z8 jst in case if any one wants those 46MP files
Coming coming
@@FramesTM
Whats ur opinion on my thoughts?
What AF settings and custom buttons do you use for birding with your ZF? I struggled a bit to nail focus on various bird species recently (herons, egrets, etc). I've heard these species can be problematic for Nikon's algorithms. Have you used 3D tracking or custom AF "boxes" too? What have you found gets the best results and what is your secondary method if animal/bird eye-AF fails?
Just kept the af on to 3d and allow the camera to detect the subject with wide area. If I see that it’s not picking the bird up, I would change the area to a small wide rectangle. That’s all
@@FramesTM do you use any back button focus setup or other custom buttons? On my R5 I have one back button set to bird eye AF and the other set to spot focus in case eye-AF doesn't find the bird. I'm hoping there is a similar effective setup for the ZF.
@bladerealm124 it’s really a budget camera compared to the R5. One thing Nikon keeps for the high end cameras is the subject detect over ride function. So that’s not there in Zf. I used 3D tracking on back button focus and it works flawless
Do you prefer jpeg skintone of sony or nikon?
Im using sony now and thinking to swap for nikon system because of zf. Is it worth it?
The problem with nikon in my country, their prices is higher 100-200 usd than other countries. Zf is cost more than a74 here.
JPEGs are natural and beautiful from the Zf. Which country?
@@FramesTM indonesia. if im not mistaken from samples photos, i feel zf skintone is kind of pastel and reddish than sony. is it true?
You can actually change the luminosity and yellow to pink to green to majenta tone for skin in camera, depending on how you need to balance the skin tone.
@@FramesTM is it true that zf dont have memory banks like U1 u2 u3 or m1 m2 m3 in sony cameras? I use this feature a lot
Do you have tips to switch minimum shutter speed fastly for auto iso without digging to menu?
The ergos on the Nikon are so much better - the Sony feels like a high end consumer product. The Nikon feels like a high end purpose built photographic instrument. I know what I would rather use. By the way -- I think the Zf runs circles around anything Leica brings to the table - especially after the manual focusing system the Zf has. Makes Leica lens actually usable.
Completely agree
Dada aapni colour grading ta ektu change korben!
Ekta video banie dao, dekhe change kore Debo 😃
Keno change korbe..... Eta onar signature style... Jeta onnoder theke unique kore tole....& I love it...
i have one question. why does your video look so bad ? if you review kitchen appliance or shoes i would say ok, but you are a camera guy and your video is horrible.. explain please. lol
Nothing to explain. It’s all good
What nobody talks about is every camera company (except Canon) gets their sensors from Sony. So Sony always gets a piece of the action.
Yes but they’re just a vendor. They can choose to not give it. There are other suppliers. Nikon now have 2 sensors that’s not on any Sony. And it’s been a while.
Nikon designs their own sensors. They simply use Sony electronics to fab the sensors. Same as AMD and Qualcom is using TSMC to fab their processors. The sensor IP remains with Nikon. As Nikon is also selling Litography machines, Sony might be using those from Nikon anyway.
Great
Sony has the worst heat dissipation, there cameras turn off so quickly in comoarision to any other brand and if it doesn't turn off the camera heats up very quickly. Luckily my Nikon Zfc is better in that.
interesting is there're still someones who spend thousands of dollars on these things.
Oh yes
lol! 👍🏾
lol