Japanese Guy Tries Duolingo Stories (Japanese)
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I’m Japanese. Watching this video, I was surprised at how many mistakes Duolingo made. All of his points are correct.
@Kiara Oxley Evil?
@@slyar 悪です
As another Japanese, I can also confirm that it is surprising how many mistakes Duolingo makes, it’s supposed to teach you Japanese after all!
@0crakhadshizzakizza0 actually, all duolingo lessons doesn't use AI, its literally written by japanese teachers, spanish teachers etc
@@harupon8.2so should I stop using it?
duolinguo was helpful for learning hiragana, katakana, and basic words like "mom, dad, apple, desk", but once those basics are learned you should probably move on, since like yuta shows here-- it is unreliable and can often teach you wrong things (at least for the japanese course)
Indeed it is helpful when you learn hiragana and katakana in there
What would you suggest moving onto? I tried LingoDeer for a bit and I found it helpful, but you have to pay to access lessons. However, once you've done a lesson, you can review it over and over again even if your subscription runs out.
@@alfu8799 Lingodeer? Pay?
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Are there some reliable apps for learning Japanese? Please!
@@conatchaWatch Livakivi’s guide on learning Japanese. He got me into learning, and so far nothing he has recommended was bad.
stories are scattered between units and you unlock them as you read them, so by skipping to the last unit you get all of them
also crowns are something from the old version of duolingo, they removed them
Lie, I have unlocked several units and I don't have a story
@Clips RANDOM HD because not all languages have stories in them
you only get stories if you're learning english/spanish/french/german/italian/portuguese/japanese
i'm assuming you're not learning one of these
if you're learning one of these, stories should appear in the tree in the first few units
@@Daisyhatingugolyee ???
I have been studying Japanese from English for more than 1 year and before they had like 50 Stories (I don't remember very well, but I had them and they were removed ) .-.
@@Manolo144p they got removed during the version change but they added them back, they're in the practice section(the one with the dumbbell)
do you have an old version of the app?
@@Daisyhatingugolyee I already know that, it was totally unnecessary to make a yes by Duolingo
The Duolingo roasts become more and more wholesome.
I find Japanese to be such an amazing language. I’ve studied it for over 11 years.
Direct translations can never be really done between languages.
I don’t like when apps don’t explain certain grammar to learners or conjugations.
they are in the notes before you start a segment, but not enough depth so I've looked them up on my own and asked a native tutor
@@Justcetriyaart I have a learning disorder so I like in depth descriptions of stuff.
Duolingo Japanese explains much less than Duolingo German and Spanish. In my experience.
@@michelledoty9818 how much less probably?
@@heartroll8719 You know when you start learning nihongo you first start learning hiragana and katana, then learn the basic particles and such, well when I tried duolingo in went straight to random words with kanji and furigana with no explanation or examples whatsover, it's honestly a terrible app to learn any language, it works more as game for someone who already knows the language than an actual resource.
You said something like "you end up learning what Duolingo wants you to say." That's so true. I have weekly lessons with my Japanese teacher and I always start out a lesson by doing duolingo. She gets so frustrated with it lol. There are so many times when she'll tell me what she would say (a Japanese native) and then be like "the app probably wants you to say something like 'xyz' but that's not natural." Or there are times when she's straight up like "no one would ever say this. I would understand it but it's not natural." It's funny watching these videos of you doing duolingo bc you guys end up saying the same exact things sometimes haha.
If you're wondering why I still do duolingo knowing this, I really use it for practice. Out of all these learning apps, I think duolingo is best for practicing. Nothing compares so far.
Is part of a teaching program, they teach the more structured, familiar and easier to understand things for foreigners first, then they teach the nuances like more natural expressions, intonation, high, low frequencies and stuff like that don't exist in other languages. Cultural barriers exist so duolingo does a great job for what it can do.
I assume you mean nothing *free* compares. There are many better resources, especially considering that Duolingo actively degrades your ability to speak. It's likely better to not practice at all then to use Duolingo.
@@iruleatgameshow does it degrade the ability to speak
@@redmhonsterz Did you not watch the video...? This was only a couple lessons too.
@@iruleatgames I actually understand now, I think the things it has to actually help with speaking is in the tips section.
that's why you do mix it up with other apps and youtube.
I remember a while back I found a way to see the users who put together the course, and what percentage they contributed. The person who contributed around 80% wasn't a native speaker (no huge surprise there) and I think out of all of them there was one native speaker in total, who contributed around 12% of the course.
That's probably because a lot of natives don't know their own language enough to make a course out of it but people who consciously learned it may be better in some ways, provided they actually are meant to be course creators
But it would be nice if that number was closer to 50%
@@UzumakiHarutoJPim guessing the fact nobody knows how to talk fluently while they first learn their first language, and that most people don't bother studying language very much aside from compulsory school education they probably forget soon after, so if one wants to be able to understand and explain and label meta concepts about their language, they would have to decide to go and study it. but absolutely native speakers are needed for input as well, and probably at that, native speakers of varying location, age, personality, gender, as well as both neurotypical and neurodivergent people, because all of those have an impact on how people speak
@@astral_haze precisely, well said
with that said, there are some people that can somewhat teach their own language pretty well or understand and remember the teachings that they were given as a kid deeply
Duo recently purged a lot of the kanji from its lessons. To be honest, my kanji knowledge was pretty weak, but I find it even more difficult to understand sentences written completely in hiragana. I am disappointed to see that kanji don't appear in the stories either. Thanks for the video.
It’s not surprising, they probably saw the metrics after swapping to kanji, A/B tested their removal (something they’re notorious for), and decided user retention was lower under the new system. It’s a shame but it makes sense.
That is probably the reason why kanji is still in use in Japan. Would have to completely redo the whole writing system like was done with Hangul. I'm at ~100 hours of learning Japanese now on NativShark. Was checking out some other material and even for me sentences, where for example weekdays were written like 木よう日 instead of 木曜日, required more effort to read. Imo furigana should be the way to go where it is needed to add a word/part of word where kanji is not learned yet. Not removing the kanji. This way you train your brain to see words as it is actually written. When I see 木曜日 I can instantly tell that it is one of the weekdays ending ようび. I would probably not recognize the 曜 in some other unknown word let alone remember よう reading. But 曜 being there makes processing 木曜日 faster.
3:00 the problem with duolingo is that it only ever pronounces the words in one way even if it's pronounced the other way.
And notice there's no kanji in stories, everything is written in kana.🤦
Duolingo’s regular Japanese lessons are full of kanji.
@@michelledoty9818 That doesn't mean they should not be used in Stories though...
Maybe it's his settings?
@@nermket4849 It's not. Both in the app and in the Web version there's no Stories settings of any kind.
There used to be an option to choose which way you want to read them, not in the new damn update though! Everything has become so downgraded!
Yuta when you use the verb form it's "Pronounce" but when you use the noun form it's "Pronunciation". The noun form cuts out the o.
I’ve noticed this many times but never felt it was worth correcting since this mispronunciation is so slight.
@@michelledoty9818 The mispronunciation is greater than any intonation mistake that Yuta seems to get caught up on.
Thanks! At this point, it's very helpful to learn about this like of slight mistake because people don't bother correcting me.
To be fair, many native English speakers mix that up.
@@YamiSatoshi can confirm, I think pronunciation actually sounds weird even tho it's correct
They should hire you to write the content for them xD
And if you're a partner with DuoLingo you could pitch your content too, so it's win-win.
So he hires writers to write story for him, but would be hired by Duolingo to write story for them? Doesn't make much sense :D And to be honest, if you are thinking about language educating/learning seriously, not sure you want to be tied with Duolingo.
@@PetrSojnek He's basically giving them free advertising by making this video and mentioning how the stories section has native speakers and is much better than the normal section. Even if some parts of Duolingo are not up to par and still could be done better (it's good constructive criticism) , Duolingo is still a starting point for many learners and easily accessible.
*People could work together to make better language learning communities*, or just talk trash about each other which makes more sense to you right? :D
@@phen-themoogle7651 It's trash for Japanese.
@phen-themoogle7651 Duolingo doesn't explain grammar and language concepts well.
And it will repeat the same few words/sentences at you a lot. To the point it is better to skip a lot of the repetition once you get good at it enough.
And many of the words they use can be uncommon/hard to use words too. And the pronunciation apparently can be off too.
Yuta has his own online course and is working on making his own textbook of sorts.
It's not like he needs the collaboration.
Everyone always tests Duolingo because it’s the most known language learning app. I’d love to hear your thoughts on Memrise. It looks like it has more to it compared to Duolingo.
Yes, I'm using both apps, i believe Memrise is way better because it have a native speaker ❤
I also want him to review Japanese on Memrise. I’m using duolingo for more than 3 years. It’s good for learning the basics but I want to learn more details of Japanese such as grammar, formal informal speaking.
I think the biggest problem is they try to teach every language the same way. I have tried duolingo for spanish and japanese. The techniques they use to teach spanish can work there, but then not work when teaching japanese because the two languages have different nuances that isnt taken into account when creating sentences or stories. The stories are the same in both languages (as far as i checked). I assume they’re the same in all of them. Phrases that sound natural in one language arent going to sound natural directly translated to another. As great as it is that they want to teach a whole bunch of languages, the way of learning languages isnt a one size fits all for every language. I am very much a beginner in learning japanese, but i found practicing what i know for japanese in duolingo was much harder than practicing what I know in spanish. Even when I got the vocab right, they wanted it to be phrased in a specific way without explaining how or why. Seeing reviews of the app only makes me more confused as to why they want the specific phrasing when oftentimes it doesn’t even sound like native speakers think it’s correct.
Not to say the spanish lessons are perfect and the japanese lessons are trash. I don’t want to claim that at all. It’s just that it seems like they took one general idea for how to teach a language and applied it to every language whether or not it would be effective for that specific language.
Also I’ve found that duolingo loves to focus on either very strange/unimportant words. An example is how one early lesson said “what is the difference” and I’m like huh? Why is this in an early lesson, it doesn’t even make sense. It also loves to make me do literally the same questions over and over again like 5 or more times. Like repetition can be good, but this is straight up annoying and unhelpful.
I’m learning Spanish and I was shocked that the same, unedited story was here in the Japanese course. I’d assumed that all the romance languages shared content, but it’s quite absurd to insist on uniformity past that.
While I generally agree with many points stated in the video - such as, the intonation being incorrect, the voices sounding robotic and simply wrong uses of certain vocabulary words - I would like to elaborate further on the story part specifically.
So for example, on one occasion you said that 然して could be replaced with more broadly used phrases. While this is true, I think many of the sentences in the stories are actually linked to the Units in which they have been presented. I noticed this in French: They taught an idiom and used it in a real life story later. So, no matter how inconvienient an expression might be, once it has been presented, it is a good idea to see it in *some* context, in order to get the basic idea of situations in which they potentially could be used. Maybe in a later lesson, a more colloqial expression for the same idea is taught, labeled as such in contrast to the before learned 然して and afterwards used in its own story setting, where it is clear that the situation is a lot more lax compared to speaking to someone in public.
This assumption I made about Duolingo's Layout is of course speculative, but the basic idea I want to convey is that no matter how formal a phrase is: If someone wants to teach you the phrase and has decided to do so, they *have* to provide *some* scenario, where the possible usage is clearly outlined.
If we put this thought into the extreme, then any advanced resource that incorporates keigo in business situations should say, after teaching a new phrase: "Well, you *could* technically use it, but let's not waste any time, here's the more colloqial phrase _____. We won't provide any example sentence for the formal expression either because you won't encounter it most of the time, anyways."
So, even though the statistical amount of times where an expression might be used decreases the more formality increases, I think this cannot always be viewed purely in this continous sense. Observed descretely, formal speech on its own is just as nuanced as colloqial speech and asks for just as much prudence and awareness and therefore needs adequate examples of usage just as colloqial speech does.
Although, I think, if they just simply put out stories about everyday working situations and used formal speech incorporated in actually useful settings (promotions, scoldings, instructions, assignments and you know, all the boring stuff you do at a Japanese office) rather than just being scattered around.. chaotical.. semi-fantastical writing.. it would actually benefit the learner.
So, in conclusion: Providing sample sentences, even for more reserved expressions should not be withheld, if someone is serious about teaching them, but they should be incorporated into a context that actually makes some sense in total and not be scattered around otherwise rather colloqial speech because this will rarely ever happen in real life situations.
The problem is, brain is making connections when you are learning language. Learning language is subconsciously recognizing patterns. If patterns conflict it is counterproductive.
no joke, I'm still learning my first few kanji, and half the time, If I couldn't read it or figure out in context, I wouldn't be able to understand what they are saying. I can't hear them clearly
Duolingo is a joke. It’s a shame, seriously. Before I thought that they are small company of 4-6 programmers or something and can’t afford a proper linguist. Dude, this thing is on NASDAQ, it has 700 employees and const 700 million dollars. They just don’t care about methodology. They don’t care about language learning. They care about promotion, and providing you with the feeling that you’re learning something. I bet that in the whole 600 crowd there is not a single educator, methodologist, or linguist.
Again, guys: they. Don’t. Care.
No, thre are stories along the way, so you dont need to unlock the HARDEST level. You need to unlock a untit with a story.
what is the first unit to unlock the story in the current version?
I wish I can fly to Japan with 500 ¥🥰
Learn Japanese with Yuta: bit.ly/3oz1R4f
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I am “learning Japanese with Yuta” (his JVS Japanese Vocabulary Shortcut course) in addition to using Duolingo (which I had already paid for when I decided to start Japanese). (Yes, Yuta’s course is worthwhile. Every week, I recognize more words in other Japanese spoken content.)
@@michelledoty9818 You don’t even need to pay for Duolingo
I did that. I followed the 3 intro videos. But it keeps telling me... "Yuta's Basic Japanese Premium is currently closed for new members." So I have no idea what to do now???
@@zennmyst5347 You just have to wait. He really has invested in a staff of writers, etc; he needs to balance their workload. You've probably gotten an offer by now.
Duolingo sucks. I'm only a Japanese learner and not fluent at all, which is to say my complaints aren't about the quality of the language itself, since I wouldn't know, but what I do hate about Duolingo is to do with the training itself. Long-story short, the site's trash.
I like using some apps like DuoLingo because it helps me learn hiragana and katakana, along with helping me memorize some kanji. I'm also using the genki book to help me with my kana handwriting, which is also helping me memorize them haha.
Stick with Genki, it will serve you better. Also consider RTK for the Kanji at one point during your studies.
I honestly think these stories were pretty good. Maybe having weird stories can make understanding the dialog more difficult, but perhaps having stories that are fun is more important. They could have probably made better stories in both regards, but I think they did a pretty good job anyway.
i don't understand why duolingo is criticised so hard. the whole point is to make beginners more comfortable to learn a new language, which is a difficult to start. nitpicking pronunciation problems, i feel, is unnecessary as most people who begin with duolingo later take actual courses from real tutors after theyve reached a certain level. furthermore, even if there may be some teaching errors, in the end you still are learning vocab and grammar that will be useful in the long run. i do understand that japanese is a very intricate language, which is why there may be some problems converting it to duolingos simplified method, however this also allows many more to have the chance to try out learning it as it seems less scary with its bite sized lessons (my opinion)
I need a confidence boost today. I think I'm gonna do the Duolingo course in my mother tongue
Duolingo should hire you!
They recently changed the lesson structure away from the crowns thing you mentioned. It used to let you choose between 2 different lessons and work at your own pace. I do not like the new linear format. Stories used to unlock after a certain number of lessons were completed, but now they are a lesson in the path.
Where?
I haven’t seen any stories since the structure changed…
@@james4thedoctor482 Same I don't have any practice tab in my app.
@@涼宮ハルヒのキョン I think you need to have the premium version
In Japanese Duolingo, you unlock your first story on unit 33.
(Still Annoying).
Would it be ok to complete duolingo then learn the rest from tv shows and movies along side it? Would that work
Do both. You don't have to finish Duolingo to start listening practice.
@@michelledoty9818 will it work?
@@damienbreslin5781I finished the first section and then started studying with a text book.
the last update in the duolingo japanese course i feel that now sounds more realistc and less textbook
is it the anime one?
I love this sort of content where a native corrects the textbook
The long and short of it is, Duolingo is great for Romance and Germanic languages, or anything more similar to English. Its model is less and less effective the more unlike English a language is. I've used it for Swedish for years and it has worked great. I tell everyone please don't use it for Japanese except to help with kana and maybe practice vocab.
I think the stories would be better if they changed the names to common names in that language. The stories are the same for every language too which probably doesn't help
Well, ðey're trying to promote ðeir fictional cast of characters.
Hi Yuta-kun, I'd be curious what your opinion is of Memrise and Lingodeer, especially Lingodeer+
Recently I had this weird conversation with someone. We were like both talking in Japanese, and after like 20 mins of talking he stops and tells me that I am like overly formal, and I know like since the start, I never really practiced my ため口... I can literally only speak in 丁寧語....
I'm a native japanese speaker and honestly Duolinguo is a fraud. I was another day checking the app and I so surprised to see so many mispronunciation and even slangs that we dont use.
I would love to see you try LingoDeer! It's similar to Duolingo but it's geared towards Japanese, Korean, and Chinese (while Duolingo is more so better for latin-based languages like spanish). I believe it has a placement test but I could be wrong
In my opinion the best apps to learn Japanese are: Aedict (best dictionary), Hey Japan, JA Sensei/JA Audiobook (now with AI support), Kana Mind (best way to learn hiragana and katakana) and Kanji Study (best way to learn kanji).
Yuta Sensei should have his own app, it would definitely be the best ever.
You used to be able to see way more stories, and there were so helpful. For some reason last year they changed everything so now I can’t read and study any of the stories anymore!
Japanese is definitely not the strongest language on Duolingo.
When you say that the DuoLingo text-to-speech voices are using "broken" Japanese, are you saying that they're using the wrong pitch accent?
I'd like to see you make a video about different Japanese text-to-speech voices, and your thoughts on how natural they sound.
2:02 The information you searched was outdated. Duolingo had a revamp in August-November, which no one liked, that's why you can't find it
2:30 I remember hearing 聞いて繰り返してください in Pimsleur Japanese a lot too!
Duolingo worked great for me to learn and practice hiragana and katakana. The main course was tiresome and the limitations of the app made the learning experience feel frustrating (for example, slightly different word order when translating to English counts as a mistake). Textbooks and regular reading remain more efficient.
The fact that i see myself purchasing your course in a few years is impressive, yuta you the best! Although I'm just a beginner and still learning hiragana
Edit: i meant your course woud be great for an intermediate.
In my opinion, as a student of Yuta's courses, you can start as a beginner. Also, he has a money-back guarantee, so you can see for yourself for sure.
The "kid" sounds like Kyubey XDDD
／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼
Is it just me or do I overlooked at this scene? 2:40
I love how he's routinely like "hm yeah that's broken japanese" "uh yeah no one would say that but i guess it's fiction so it doesnt matter 🥸" lmao
They used to have a stories page
I had read all but 4 of the Portuguese stories when they changed how their app is setup
I was quite frustrated about this change and eventually left Duolingo over it entirely
I use duolingo to keep my day streaks 😂 but i learn japanese from youtube and internet
I love how your immediate reaction was "Bad pronunciation. Broken Japanese. Broken Japanese again."
i'm Learning Japanese and first it was very helpful to learn Katakana and Hiragana. and now they added Kanji as well in Phone apps so it is very helpful.. but i mostly use Genki and Tango books to learn japanese and i use Duolingo as a extra input... but also "Sensei" is great app to learn Kanji separately.. it has sentences with kanji so it makes sense.. very good video Yuta さん ありがとうございました。
Something I don't like about the stories after watching is that they literally don't use kanji at all... How are we supposed to learn to read if they only use hiragana which is rarely ever the case in real Japanese books
I love how you correct the pitch accent since that's something japanese learners don't get much clarity on
I use duolingo (mostly because of the fact I'm to bothered to use anything else), and I've had to translate "キツネは何を言います？" I've have not gotten over it. >:l
wait to say "I played my flute then i wiped it" would i say 僕はフルートを吹いて後で拭いた? I'm an american who has been using duolingo and taking notes for 10 months and also i actually play a flute :3
There are stories earlier in German, French, and Spanish.
I have noticed the English is a bit awkward in several places. I am not surprised this is magnified in Japanese.
I use duo lingo. I mainly use it to learn the basics but I hope to speak to people in person to learn the more modern version. Also, how do you tackle the shyness of using the language of the you learnt?. I want to speak japanese in person but I always chicken out because I'm afraid to say something wrong. Is this normal?. Have a good weekend yuta-san. Xx
Can you do a video on Pinsluers Japanese?
日本語学びたい、ただしそれ難しい。それ紙で練習書く好きます。私もアニメ見る好きます。if that makes any sense at all I’ll be surprised tbh
It's understandable
i get it but grammar is off.
instead of using ただし、you can use けど. its more common in conversation.
And if you want to say a verb you like, you have to make the verb a noun. to do that, add の after the verb to make it a noun.
Also the 2nd sentence, if you are trying to say "i like practicing writing", then it would be: 書くのを練習するのが好きです
And then since 好き is a noun/na adj, you cant use ます. ます is for verb conjugation. instead use です if you're trying to be formal
so i'd say:
日本語学びたいけど難しいです。紙で書くのを練習するのが好きでアニメも見るのが好きです。
で after 好き just connects sentences. use it after nouns/na adj. (means something like "and")
Thanks for the help, it’s difficult to pick up on small details in the sentences
@@xcyan_lilyx5788 i recommend "Japanese ammo with misa". Its a youtube channel where a native explains lots of grammar points in english. its pretty good.
Also, Yuta's courses really do teach these kinds of grammar points. ( But not for free.) I really like his JVS (Japanese Vocabulary Shortcut) ongoing course.
I will be trying a free class/session in Greek, Hebrew and Japanese. I was getting the hang of Greek with Plimseur earlier in life since I already know Spanish and moderate amounts of French.
I'm learning Japanese with Duolingo. I didn't know it was so wrong!!!! I'm amazed at how we exalt some apps or methods being so badly designed!!
Is there some app for learning Japanese that is worth using?
Im using Duolingo to learn words, then having fun catching them in in anime to hear them in actual context. Eventually I want to listen to Japanese podcasts and understand them, instead of catching a few random words
sasuga kusolingo
"checkpoints" and "crowns" are outdated terms on Duolingo. After the change from the tree to the path, they're now divided into units, and crowns no longer exist
I STARTED JAPANESE LEARNING FROM DUOLINGO, SHOULD I take it seriously and continue learning from it or Should I drop and go for something else?
The more I used duolingo the more awkward and tedious it gets. The kana page is very good to get you started tho
I'm really disappointed, Duolingo seemed like a great way to learn Japanese, and accessible too. But seeing these videos makes me feel like I am learning it all wrong. I no longer have faith in the app after seeing a few native Japanese speakers critique it so much, point out issues at almost every sentence.
Is there ANY reliable way to learn solo? Is there any app or site that is actually any good? I really want to spend some time learning solo before approaching real teachers and lessons.
Wait these stories are actually kinda cute and interesting! Too bad the first one unlocks at section 2 unit 33 (unit 44 overall). I'm only on section 2 unit 7 :(
Based on this review, it's probably time for me to look for a different language learning app
I didn't even know they had stories
I’m doing the German from English. There are lots of mistakes in the ENGLISH, which make it hard to figure out what it is trying to teach me in German. Out of interest I tried doing English from German. Impossible. The English is very very bad. And the pronunciation atrocious. It realises needs to be upgraded. I was genuinely surprised as I assumed English audio would have had a lot of development. The obvious conclusion is duo is rubbish….but somehow I’ve learned a load of German. I’m passing A2 mock tests and talking quite happily to German colleagues, able to read A2 to B1 level text and follow quite a lot of other German media on RUclips. So something is correct…..I had done some German at school, but I’d barely got the pass mark, and it was in the previous millennium. I certainly could have done much more than say my name and where I come from before duo other than the odd disconnected word.
I'm currently at section 2 unit 9, anybody has any idea when I'll unlock the stories ?
Maybe 1 more section?
Stories start in Section 3 Unit 5
@@rcforge1 Thank you
It's definitely awkward and odd japanese but it's the most fun way to learn so a lot of people trust it
I hate Duolingo, b/c you have to know the alphabet-they focus on reading and spelling more than pronunciation. It’s really annoying. I can’t read many alphabets-I have no idea how to pronounce those letters, so making me ‘match up’ two lists is worthless in lesson 1!!!!
I feel cheated from my learning streak. Thankfully I listen to Japanese media but I really with Duo was reliable because I already have a hearing impairment. So, even clear speaking I need to hear a lot to learn. Also, I had stories and lost them after an update.
The stories are the only good thing that Duolingo really has and not all languages have stories, only the most common ones. I also feel like Duolingo is really only good at European languages. And never talks about the grammar, I have to google it.
I gave up on Duolingo for Japanese a long time ago and use a wide variety of other resources, but the one that I always do daily is Renshuu which is both a website and an app by a native speaker and her husband and I've found it has the most content in one place that appears, to this English native speaker, to be correct.
I prefer to read, listen to, and watch content created by native speakers as they're, well, obviously, more natural.
As a learner you quickly realize to ignore all sounds from Duolingo that are not complete sentences. Those are usually use the correct word. Duolingo is not a good source to learn Japanese but it's good for repetition if you already know the grammar and basic words
Duolingo's Asian languages are terribly developed. Absolute F. Everything else is fine.
Duolingo actually is a great learning tool. but it's not the only tool that will make your languages fluent. it does allot right.
I'd be interested in your reaction to Rosetta Stone, if you'd be willing to pay to try it. I used it a long time ago and found it pretty good at replicating immersion.
Is there a difference between geemu and asobi?
Geemu (ゲーム) usually refers to video games.
Asobu, dictionary form, (あそぶ) can mean playing with or meeting and enjoying time with. You cannot asobu a video game, if you want to create a sentence with geemu it would be written ゲームする
not ゲームをあそぶ. Some examples of asobu:
おもちゃとあそぶ (to play with toys) or 友達とあそぶ (to hang out with a friend)
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@@nathanbeer3338 glad i could help! 頑張ってね！
4:30 No, the stories in Japanese start around Unit 30. You started at around Unit 12
My tree starts showing them in section 3, unit 5... (or roughly 33 units into the 125 total units)
honestly, at this point i only practice hiragana and katakana on duolingo to help with my memorization. i think that's the only good part of the jp course.
After watching this, I won’t study by Duolingo anymore. Thank you. Wow.
how do i learn the correct pitch accents for every single word?
I feel like story's were intentionally vague and convoluted to act as some kind of mini 'test' to make sure you really understand.
But for those people who want to understand realistic scenario's you'll actually encounter living in Japan; its just frustrating.
I dont need to learn how to describe my imaginary ideal waifu to random airport ticket office workers...
why do i not have any subtitles when i learn japanese on duolingo? why does it appears only here?☹
Hello i cant find the first story in japanese can you help me plsss?
これは何と言ったらいいのか悲しいですね。過去動画やこの動画で指摘されている問題点は至極もっともです。しかもごく一部の問題を切り取っているのではなく、ありふれた問題ばかりです。最近も「日本語を学ぼう」という広告があったけど「お前が学べよ」と思ってしまった。笑い。
しかし、同時に強く擁護する声も聞かれます。おしなべて強く支持されているアプリとすら言ってよいと思います。なぜでしょう？日本語講師がDuolingoを勧めることはあるんでしょうか？一例も見たことないし多分ほぼないと思います。ちゃんと日本語が分かってる人ならばありえないです。にも関わらずDuolingoが支持されるのは講師が信用されていないということでもあります。そこも悲しいんですよね。
I have used Duolingo previously for a year of Spanish and 5 years of German, and I think Duolingo’s Japanese is the most poorly taught.
>最近も「日本語を学ぼう」という広告があったけど「お前が学べよ」と思ってしまった。
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Duolingo stories in Japanese? I make the course but never saw any
I love the stories! They're so funny 😂
why having english words for speed and game? dont u have them in japanese?
It's weird that they don't use kanji but i guess it's for a beginner format
Don't use duolingo for learning Japanese🇯🇵
The stories on Duolingo are the same in all languages I have tried so far.
I love Memrise because they use real people and sometimes show actions to help us. It’s not free but it’s great! I have lifetime. Like they have them bowing for greetings and that stuff.
It’s native speakers that you see for words and phrases for the first time and they use native speaker videos over the AI voice or whatever they use for the voice and give you a good mix of male and female voices. It’s nice!!
1:23 you can pause here if you want to learn to read japanese.
Damn,imwaitingforthemoment,whenduolingofinallyaddenglishwithoutspaces,becausejapanesewithonlyhiraganaisalreadyhere.
i think a lot of the pronunciation issues at the start come from the amount of hiragana used in those early lessons, and with the lessons where you have to individually press each character (such as the 時 being pronounced as じ), there is no context about the character, so the text-to-speech chooses the 音読み. But, yeah, the vocab issues are definitely real and should definitely be fixed, as that is the main thing about the app after the grammar has been taught in early lessons - the vocabulary is more important later on than the grammar, and should be more realistic and definitely corrected.
If someone talks like this, I would want to say, "Are you okay?” They sound like stage actors or anime characters. They all will be called "痛い人", I think. By the way, "痛い人" means "If I were in the same position (speaking), I would be embarrassed and couldn't stand it. In other words, people who induce empathic shame are collectively called that.