MORE MARVEL GAMES IN TROUBLE??? - Marvel Future Fight

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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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  • @victorcollier9730
    @victorcollier9730 3 месяца назад +64

    Honestly, MFF was the first and only mobile game I've invested this much time and money into. When it's gone, I'll probably close the book on Mobile games for a while.

    • @notabot0001
      @notabot0001 3 месяца назад +11

      Same here. Never played mobile game for so long let alone spend as much as I have

    • @AnimeBleachBabe
      @AnimeBleachBabe 3 месяца назад

      Same

    • @victorcollier9730
      @victorcollier9730 3 месяца назад +5

      @@notabot0001 it honestly caught me off guard. I had been a console only kind of gamer. And I started a couple mobile games at the same time. This is the only one that stuck and I've never had any interest in any others since

    • @nicosharp182
      @nicosharp182 3 месяца назад +7

      Truth! Had Marvel Heroes Omega never shutdown, I would've never had a reason to get into MFF! Glad I did because I very much enjoy MFF & it fills the void left by MHO & not having any new X-Men Legends/MUA/MVC! When this game goes, I'll be officially done with mobile games, as MFF is the only one I play!

    • @yomyomm.p.855
      @yomyomm.p.855 3 месяца назад +1

      Same here. I am not a fan of online games but i am playing MFF since 2015 and already spent a considerable amount. If this game closes, i am done with mobile games maybe until a new one that is worth playing

  • @theoffishalleli809
    @theoffishalleli809 3 месяца назад +76

    Alex: "we have a new game mode coming this year"
    Devs: "shit, we hoped they'd forget"

  • @akinurkhan
    @akinurkhan 3 месяца назад +12

    i hope new emblem system doesn't take inventory space

  • @cr082080
    @cr082080 3 месяца назад +6

    They get a ton of ads so I doubt Strike Force is going anywhere.

  • @lescou
    @lescou 3 месяца назад +15

    they just need to revive Marvel Heroes Omega again

  • @JasonReverend
    @JasonReverend 3 месяца назад +5

    strike force was a lot of fun for a while. I think the gameplay is strong, but it's so much more a grind than FF and inevitably it's a job because of what you're required to do in guilds. But yeah, while gameplay is fun, it's pretty much the only mode you can do.

    • @josh7hj28
      @josh7hj28 3 месяца назад +2

      Totally agree, and somehow the guild part made it more and less fun at the same time

  • @toofanvatankhah6933
    @toofanvatankhah6933 3 месяца назад +9

    The stats have been adjusted, you can really tell the difference the less pierce you have, adams with energies 80% of the time can't one shot anymore or do decent damage, same with defensive surfers, thanos does a lot less damage too and hp on all characters have been increased by approximately 75k to 100k, I've seen whales with 700k sentrys

    • @jesse420SOCAL
      @jesse420SOCAL 3 месяца назад

      i just started this week and 0 pierce but have ctp rage arti and uni All Father tier 3 thor and feel like i dont do any dmg with 50% igr Def, 30-50% CD, 70% crt rate

    • @toofanvatankhah6933
      @toofanvatankhah6933 3 месяца назад +1

      @jesse420SOCAL pierce is the most important stat in the game, even going from 0 to 2% will make a huge difference, as a beginner you should get some mythic cards with 1.5 pierce each, equip them until you craft p cards

  • @monometer2476
    @monometer2476 3 месяца назад +75

    All I know is mcoc is still chilling😂

    • @endmii3912
      @endmii3912 3 месяца назад +6

      Defo not for longer

    • @kooweijing9061
      @kooweijing9061 3 месяца назад +19

      Mcoc have reworks for old characters, 1 or 2 new characters only per update. Considering that marvel universe also have different variance or version of the same characters, they created them as another individual characters, rather than limiting them as skin, like mff. Even if meta in mcoc keep on changing, some of the old ones get reworked or buffed. That's a huge difference between mcoc and other marvel games.

    • @GrandAdmiralNemeschy
      @GrandAdmiralNemeschy 3 месяца назад +13

      MCOC is way better now than ever. They are killing it over there.

    • @WisnuNurAlam
      @WisnuNurAlam 3 месяца назад +13

      ​@@kooweijing9061 The thing is, in MCOC you could play mid or even trash tier characters on endgame contents with the right synergy, and skills too of course

    • @BhavyaBisht-g5e
      @BhavyaBisht-g5e 3 месяца назад +11

      ​@@WisnuNurAlamand another thing bout mcoc is that the game feels fresh. Every character has a different type of buff and there are different ways to apply certain buffs as compared to mff which is the same old copy paste. Frenzy buff, accumulation and a proc.

  • @marvelplays2298
    @marvelplays2298 3 месяца назад +6

    "Shoudnr be a paywall thing" just "$40" ......🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮wtf

  • @rongizie
    @rongizie 3 месяца назад +12

    MFF is not perfect, but it’s the best mobile Marvel game. There’s no goofy looking graphics, it’s not so simple that it’s boring and there’s things to do always.

  • @gamingarachnid3367
    @gamingarachnid3367 3 месяца назад +17

    Strike force should go down fr, new character comes out:”get this character for free!!!” Have to go through rng paying for it

  • @Enterprise1701J
    @Enterprise1701J 3 месяца назад +8

    Lol the thumbnail tho

  • @christopherlynch13
    @christopherlynch13 3 месяца назад +1

    And JFC, fix the bug in Giant Boss Raid!

  • @tallandreckless1142
    @tallandreckless1142 3 месяца назад +3

    the debuff list in OWB is trash. I made a whole new team of off meta pvp characters just to clapped by teams running all "debuffed" characters. Only started winning when I ran my own team of all characters on the list.

    • @GotBars54
      @GotBars54 3 месяца назад +2

      Yep, blows me away that a whole team can get wiped by a 5% powered Jean.

    • @dennisplaster9412
      @dennisplaster9412 3 месяца назад +2

      Well I think it is the revive. When they revive I think it takes off that debuff and it's like playing without a debuff after the revive. Also I still just play with my best debuffed characters as well, however I did try using others not debuffed and lost to all debuffed characters too. I was like screw this I'm just gonna use debuffed or not my top pvp chars. 😎

  • @iiszulejman9040
    @iiszulejman9040 3 месяца назад +12

    Where is this even coming from lol,Strike force made 3x as much as Future fight in May,it makes a shitton of money every month.
    There is a bigger chance i die in 5 seconds,than Strike Force dying.

  • @Uswhatot-z1p
    @Uswhatot-z1p 3 месяца назад +1

    Otherworld battle still not balance many meta tier4 metas can toe to toe to others characters even tier 4 when they are debuff, they should have straight up do 0 damage, this is frustrating, i still see many people using sentry surfer and onther debuffs character are using and they still winning what dumb ban list so frustrating

  • @infamoswordz
    @infamoswordz 3 месяца назад +3

    The era of whale gamers is destined to die. When a video game is built for the specific purpose of taking your money in order to succeed in the game is it going to die because eventually they run out of reasons for you to pay them. Players can pour more money into the game than developers can come up with content. The games that last forever are the ones that are made to be replayed because they are fun not because you have to pay to enhance the play ability.
    Random thought remember when game developers didn't listen to the voice of the people and they just made awesome games in high volume? Isn't that odd? 🤔

  • @Morcinus6
    @Morcinus6 3 месяца назад

    The devs working around all the Marvel video games have no ideas for developing the content for players. The better idea is coop working with fans - but all these "Star Creators" programs or other like that one are not good because the devs still don't listen to the fans! Marvel should focus on very extensive cooperation with fans of the games the company creates. I would add the comic book story creators to help with that developing. Another shit is the Shield Archive - at the beggining the stuff looted good but now the Pym Partices (Chapter 6) and other like Hofound, Watoomb (Chapters 9, 10 and 11) stucked because i cleared Chapters 6-1 to 6-5 almost 600-700 times at once and nothing dropped.

  • @infernoDrive7281
    @infernoDrive7281 3 месяца назад +36

    Once MFF goes I’ll go back to Marvel contest of Champions 😔

    • @MrBepis-qx5ye
      @MrBepis-qx5ye 3 месяца назад +52

      I’ll be done with mobile games once MFF is finished

    • @angelomg5683
      @angelomg5683 3 месяца назад

      ​@@MrBepis-qx5yesame fr

    • @thebully5168
      @thebully5168 3 месяца назад +16

      @@MrBepis-qx5yesame, i dont even know what mobile game to play after mff, cause theres literally no game similar to mff (gameplay wise) except for that one tokyo ghoul game but that game shutdown.

    • @BhavyaBisht-g5e
      @BhavyaBisht-g5e 3 месяца назад +4

      Damn you aint wrong. Mcoc feels a lot more fun and content filled than mff does

    • @TheUltraKekster
      @TheUltraKekster 3 месяца назад +4

      unless it sinks first 😂

  • @smoothcriminal4618
    @smoothcriminal4618 3 месяца назад +1

    Even as someone who Likes Mff more, Mcoc is clearly the better Game and it Shows

  • @myklagusta
    @myklagusta 3 месяца назад +3

    1:22 Indonesia blocked Reddit, it means many players from this country don't have Reddit account.

  • @ernestomtdelilla5565
    @ernestomtdelilla5565 3 месяца назад

    Netmarble is more skilled at “Gaslighting” players than Scopely.
    MSF player base and MFF player base waking up to predatory mobile games.

  •  3 месяца назад

    We have chatted before, I started back in 2015, then had to take a break for a couple years, still loving the game! Go Marvel Brigade!

  • @maxsamuel1675
    @maxsamuel1675 3 месяца назад +19

    I quit this game a while back as it’s heavily pay to win, marvel snap is much more free to play friendly

    • @dav1d9
      @dav1d9 3 месяца назад +7

      Agreed heavily pay to win

    • @jusqualafin5775
      @jusqualafin5775 3 месяца назад +2

      marvel snap worse than mff lol

    • @jesse420SOCAL
      @jesse420SOCAL 3 месяца назад

      @@jusqualafin5775 How is snap not f2p? all the cards are free?? and you get ranked vs ppl with your same card unlock lvl?

    • @jusqualafin5775
      @jusqualafin5775 3 месяца назад

      @@jesse420SOCAL Gamepass comes with p2w card most of time like Hope Summers. You can't get that card for a month that's really annoying.Even after month there will be a another meta breaker card and you need to take the past gamepass card with tokens (which is not easy to earn)

    • @jusqualafin5775
      @jusqualafin5775 3 месяца назад

      And pve side of the mff f2p friendly i think.PvP needs artifact full builds etc.

  • @sparkangl8385
    @sparkangl8385 3 месяца назад +5

    First! Cool beans!! I rarely check reddit and the mff forum is pretty toxic. Sheryl Crows song a change will do you good. Kind of but change is good. I do honestly feel nm is trying to move in the right direction. One step forward two steps back but always moving forward. Let's goooo 🎉❤

  • @galangwinatan5460
    @galangwinatan5460 3 месяца назад

    Well i think somehow when alex dont go again for this mff game, that time they will got big trouble

  • @dedicationtorelaxation5200
    @dedicationtorelaxation5200 3 месяца назад

    I never saw the point in reddit

  • @MajkDr0p
    @MajkDr0p 3 месяца назад

    I think this is due to the pride event, every year the pride event comes where its about lgbt so a lot of anger comes every time it comes (since children are playing it many players rage at such events) cheers

  • @Asaph006
    @Asaph006 3 месяца назад +1

    next will be mff lol

    • @Alaris_
      @Alaris_ 3 месяца назад

      Not for now

  • @slickrick8444
    @slickrick8444 3 месяца назад

    Been playing mff since 2020. Played strike force first but when I found mff it was so much better that I deleted strike force and went with mff and I don't sub to reddit cause of the toxicity.

  • @GoffRokkit
    @GoffRokkit 3 месяца назад

    They all think making Marvel games is a Snap.

  • @havok6927
    @havok6927 3 месяца назад

    I play marvel strike force more than MFF. There’s still plenty to do and they add more characters all the time. It’s better than MFF in my opinion.

  • @roybatty2544
    @roybatty2544 3 месяца назад +1

    I dumped Marvel CC for MFF

  • @okcomputer1635
    @okcomputer1635 3 месяца назад

    need long discussion to fix game and new content..doesnt need long discussion to sell trash pack in shop💀💀

  • @fredimoita
    @fredimoita 3 месяца назад +1

    As a old Marvel's Avengers Alliance player i know how a game being shut down sucks 😢

  • @Blue-cq2hl
    @Blue-cq2hl 3 месяца назад +3

    Msf has had diamonds added to the game which requires 7 star characters and that's the sort of stuff they're milking people over. Honestly seems pointless to comment on a single post for a single game with a lack of knowledge and experience with since you can't even know how it actually represents anything. They are constantly adding characters too and most of the stuff takes a while beyond 7 star characters.

  • @justlookingforow
    @justlookingforow 3 месяца назад

    Scoply is just lazy and paramount wants to focus on Star Trek!!I know this for fact.devs do on this on all Star Trek game content.

  • @dexxxx_
    @dexxxx_ 3 месяца назад

    Tried to tell y’all……

  • @robphoenix1182
    @robphoenix1182 3 месяца назад

    Strike Force was so repetitive and boring. I quit it after only a few months. Just like Contest. I like MFF because they do keep trying to introduce new concepts. While I collect the Marvel universe characters I grew up reading about. All the characters feel like their separate selves. Even if they have similar abilities, they get their own flavor. Just my thought process at this time.

    • @BhavyaBisht-g5e
      @BhavyaBisht-g5e 3 месяца назад +2

      The fact that mff is the most repetitive game in the history of Marvel games and there is no argument on this topic. Still a great game tho

    • @robphoenix1182
      @robphoenix1182 3 месяца назад

      ​@user-wt4jp7qq7c Depends how you play. Random user tag that means nothing because you can't even create a tag name.

  • @JoeBarrow021104
    @JoeBarrow021104 3 месяца назад

    Honestly this is a great talking point. Well done, IMO you bring up some great points, now will they listen? Netmarble does listen, rather ppl agree or not they do listen, for those who been around long enough has seen this. I want to believe they will stick around however I am rarely right. 😁

  • @antoinkz
    @antoinkz 3 месяца назад

    next Mff deadgame

  • @AbyssPrime
    @AbyssPrime 3 месяца назад

    Fiest

  • @danielrojas983
    @danielrojas983 3 месяца назад +1

    First

  • @dioshsmith0023
    @dioshsmith0023 3 месяца назад

    Marvel: Avengers Alliance the best game ever.

  • @deonte1981
    @deonte1981 3 месяца назад

    4th first

  • @thanos3081
    @thanos3081 3 месяца назад

    MSF sucks all turn based games suck

  • @GrandAdmiralNemeschy
    @GrandAdmiralNemeschy 3 месяца назад +9

    Those types of posts are like once a week on the MSF Subreddit. That game is still going strong, regardless of the vocal minority on Reddit. Reddit is the place where all the complainers go to have a platform they do not deserve lol.

  • @mogamatsedickpetersen8620
    @mogamatsedickpetersen8620 3 месяца назад +12

    I remember a time when I couldn't do my daily things in MFF and felt bummed, but now I don't run all my story missions and miss out on all of my Timeline runs for the day and don't even feel bothered. MSF has a lot of stuff you can quickly do every day and multi-day missions (Horsemen and Legendary character unlock missions) at a fraction of the time it takes to do the essentials in MFF.

    • @soul.alone.8745
      @soul.alone.8745 3 месяца назад +1

      That isn't a good thing. Players want unlimited content to return to throughout the day. Not a one hour check in and done.

    • @mogamatsedickpetersen8620
      @mogamatsedickpetersen8620 3 месяца назад +2

      @@soul.alone.8745 It's obviously not that quick, but some of the content is more dynamic without the plethora of things that appear on the screen during a GBR fight for example. Story mode alone takes an hour and a half and Multiverse Invasion still takes way longer than it needs to. A lot of the content in MFF can be completed with autoplay. That's why the only game modes worth a damn are WBL, AB and GBR.

  • @ish00titup90
    @ish00titup90 3 месяца назад +8

    Tbh I'd rather have a bad update then no update at all.

  • @Dlo407
    @Dlo407 3 месяца назад +10

    Did you watch deadthproofs video? Do you think he’s right about this next update being set up for failure?

    • @theoffishalleli809
      @theoffishalleli809 3 месяца назад +7

      If Franklin truly is ONLY attainable behind that $40 purchase and if they're using him as a beta test, which I think they are, this very well could be the beginning of the end

    • @soul.alone.8745
      @soul.alone.8745 3 месяца назад +1

      A short while back, Alex advised him that, in order to succeed as a content creator, over react, often in a pessimistic nature, to rile up the community and stir up a reaction. I think he took that a bit too verbatim. Two new characters, two Tier-4 advancements, a new collection challenge, and a purchasable bonus mission for spenders is a solid update. Wallowing in pre-disappointment just to boost an algorithm is more harmful than good to Marvel Future Fight, as well as its impressionable audience.

  • @jldgriffin
    @jldgriffin 3 месяца назад +2

    I still say as far as timeline battle is concerned when domino got her upgrade it showed us the buff list works if implemented properly

    • @dennisplaster9412
      @dennisplaster9412 3 месяца назад

      That is because of the x4 or was it x5 boost stats & chance to penetrate 💪 buff. I don't think they will put any more characters like. They rarely put anyone with uniforms on the timeline battle buff list. It's always mostly uniform less characters that barely scratch anything lol I honestly think that was a mistake when they put her on the list. Since she got a uni then lol but who knows maybe they will change who they buff sometime soon because the buff list I don't anyone even looks or tries from that list. I always wondered though how it will be after all characters get uniforms and T3/TC if they will continue putting the same old chars on this buff list or if they will change it. But that will take like years to finish them probably.

  • @marvelplays2298
    @marvelplays2298 3 месяца назад +6

    11:35 Uncomplicated and not pay wall" it's free guys! Just PAY $40 🤢🤮 NO! just no! I'm a medium to high spender. No just no. Sorry you can't ask for that! for what we are being offered. Just a rip off. No! Tiny story stages content and a useless awakened toon with a few extra emblem mats .. no this is not what we want. I call bull shit. Just stop. Why are more pll not calling this shit. Been playing for 8+ years. They are so stupid. We dont want this rip off.

    • @soul.alone.8745
      @soul.alone.8745 3 месяца назад

      It sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.

    • @Alaris_
      @Alaris_ 3 месяца назад

      You shouldn't be a high spender on this game, be careful and don't waste a lot of money

  • @muhammadsameer8051
    @muhammadsameer8051 3 месяца назад +2

    damn, another day another marvel game going to the end of the line

    • @ahnaldsprodigy1001
      @ahnaldsprodigy1001 3 месяца назад +4

      These post happen on msf all the time it’s major clickbait

  • @MichaelUtah
    @MichaelUtah 3 месяца назад +1

    And I finally quit mff.

  • @SongofIceandTea
    @SongofIceandTea 3 месяца назад

    Nah, that's ridiculous, I just recently started a new account few weeks back, because I heard that they are very friendly with new players now, and it's true, and when someone said he didn't have anything to do is pure lie, just look the leading youtuber of MSF, they still didn't have Mephisto (the best character in the game) which already came out months ago, it will take months even for a whale to get Apocalypse the 2nd best character in the game, so unless you spent 10000 dollars each week you simply cannot get everything in the game.

  • @edreanhenrytombaga562
    @edreanhenrytombaga562 3 месяца назад

    From my experience, MFF is free to play and you can get stuff although for a long time, also there's more content/modes. Of course money helps to speed things up
    In marvel strike force, its fun at first but then you just hit some sort of bottleneck somewhere (you'll just know as you play) wherein it feels like they force you to spend money. You can grind but then it feels like you dont have anything to do and just have to wait for day refresh

  • @phatkattgaming3788
    @phatkattgaming3788 3 месяца назад

    I play both games and i like msf more. They come out with new characters just like MF. Its always something to do with that game. And they have plenty of big spenders

  • @mikeschneider2170
    @mikeschneider2170 3 месяца назад

    All these marvel games suck its not that hard to create a superhero game i swear there just being lazy about it

  • @nicolauquintao2428
    @nicolauquintao2428 3 месяца назад

    strike force is from scoopely. their games are cashgrab garbage... mff is miles better

  • @mohamed-pb1ne
    @mohamed-pb1ne 3 месяца назад

    msf is very buggy the game has a lot of problems compares to mcoc and mff

  • @nexusgaminguniverse3722
    @nexusgaminguniverse3722 2 месяца назад

    So what happen to your f2p account you made years ago?

  • @baglamareizi
    @baglamareizi 3 месяца назад

    Mff is like a pet or child, growing with our effort

  • @iamironmansnap
    @iamironmansnap 3 месяца назад

    noooo msf

  • @thebrain625
    @thebrain625 3 месяца назад

    I play both mff and MSF. The community for MSF is way more engaged but they know how to complain. The difference is the dev team in MSF actually listens many times and makes adjustments for the players. My bet is on MSF lasting longer than mff.

  • @halfway2hell33383
    @halfway2hell33383 3 месяца назад

    I left msf (f2p) and never felt it was worth spending on, as a team would come out u would grind to get the team and within 2months the heros were trash and not use able anymore, it would then release new versions of heros instead of updating old ones (like 3 different wolverines, iron fists, captain america ect.) Iv come to mff and the game feels like they balance things, to the point I would consider spending.

  • @thomasanthony5776
    @thomasanthony5776 3 месяца назад

    Marvel Strike Force doesn't have something that Marvel Future Fight has
    Ant that is CYNICALEX ♥♥♥♥

  • @MiriamDandelion
    @MiriamDandelion 3 месяца назад

    They prolly need to look at those TLB changes. I was completely unaware anything had changed until Alex just mentioned it.

  • @reza.mff.1266
    @reza.mff.1266 3 месяца назад

    We all know next dev note will be before black Friday so before that time we should get these things

  • @TheUltraKekster
    @TheUltraKekster 3 месяца назад

    Strike Force sucked anyway lol

  • @Clandestine0814
    @Clandestine0814 3 месяца назад

    I agree with Alex on this

  • @gian-carlogagiano7185
    @gian-carlogagiano7185 3 месяца назад

    I play msf and mff, I'm completely f2p and there is plenty to do and farm if you don't buy your way to the top. They just introduced gear tier 19 and 20 may soon follow. 3 to 4 characters a month, I spend more time a day on msf than mff. Alliance War and crucible is great game modes. Not saying there isn't problems. Plus there is more game modes on the way.

    • @kevinhuber9567
      @kevinhuber9567 3 месяца назад +1

      I use to play MSF, alliance war was great. Wish they reworked AC to be like that

  • @Nikolay_Pikalov
    @Nikolay_Pikalov 3 месяца назад +2

    Не обязательно будет только один способ получить Франклина в пакете за 40$. Они для всех новых персонажей делают подобные предложения, даже для селекторных. Так что есть смысл хотя бы дождаться описания обновления прежде чем делать какие-то выводы.

  • @Idan7532
    @Idan7532 3 месяца назад +2

    I’ll say this again: look at Depths of Illusion game mode in Wuthering Waves. This game mode is perfect for enabling you to use EVERY character and it’s not a one and done type of thing

  • @captain_way
    @captain_way 3 месяца назад +1

    Alright guys. Lets get this straight. Game is not the issue here. Game is just a game. However, people who work behind the game are the problem. You can name them whether they are lazy, stupid, incompetent, greedy, selfish, etc. So, dont blame the game. Never talk bad or curse the game. Its those people. Again, game is just a game. Lol

  • @frankie418
    @frankie418 3 месяца назад +1

    I play MSF too. And there's always something to aim for, actually a lot more than MFF. Their Endgame is way more brutal too. I doubt that player who was complaining at Reddit completed all contents thou

  • @drr33
    @drr33 3 месяца назад

    Well said Alex. The constant content changes and paywall features may be frustrating to FTP players but it keeps the game fresh

  • @GHBobBrownbear
    @GHBobBrownbear 3 месяца назад

    great video, I see it like you, to put it simply, trouble is always better than pure nothing :)

  • @thanos3081
    @thanos3081 3 месяца назад

    Here's the fact about MFF...Pound -for- Pound the best superhero-based Mobil game out right now and for a long time...FACTS...with everything you complain about, it's still better then everything else out there. it a fighting game and an action-adventure game

    • @luisvaldes5206
      @luisvaldes5206 3 месяца назад

      Marvel snap would like a word

    • @rongizie
      @rongizie 3 месяца назад

      @@luisvaldes5206Snap is good, but people still cry about things you don’t even need in the game, and at the end of the day it’s just a card game.

    • @thanos3081
      @thanos3081 3 месяца назад

      @@luisvaldes5206 No offence but screw that damn card game. they just rehashed that old marvel card game that was out back in the day Marvel War of Heros