Best Way to heat a patio| Whats better gas or electric heaters?
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We all want to be able to use our patio year round. The problem is, if your in a cold climate, you really cant ever use your patio all winter. If your like me you love sitting out on your patio, and its a huge bummer to loose the space for half a year.
In this video I am going to show you how I heat my space and can sit outside for the entire year! Even in an open patio setting. Here is kind of a breakdown of how I do it.
I have a gas firepit
Although I have a gas firepit its important to note that I use this primarily for ambiance only. The fire pit does throw off some heat, but not enough for me to sit outside all year. So you have to supplement the fireplace or firepit.
Why I don’t like gas heaters
The problem with gas heaters, is even they may “throw off” more heat then electric, they really only work well in a fully covered setting. And the reason is, the heat just goes straight up. So unless you have a roof you are going to loose all the heat out the top. The main idea here, is gas vs. electric patio heaters which one is best to choose? And the answer is clear, always go electric!
Why I choose infra tech electric heaters
The answer Is simple, they heat using infrared technology. So the idea is, they heat objects. Not space. The best illustration I can give, is when the heaters are on, it feels like your sitting in the sunshine. The sunshine really keeps you nice and toasty. And that is what these heaters do. That is why I chose them, and with these heaters up. I can sit outside year round even in the winter!
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Very informative about the difference between gas and electric heaters for the patio and how they heat.
thanks so much!
I like that you showed us the distance of heat you can get with each heater
thanks!
Love this! I work for a fireplace/outdoor living company as well! It's awesome seeing this type of content getting so many views!! Keep it up!
awesome!
@@embersliving⁹
Thanks for this video, I build a 26'x32' timber frame barn and used four, 5000 watt duel element heaters from infra tech to heat the loft of the barn. The barn is uninsulated and will remain that way to show off the beautiful eastern white pine woodwork. I'm extremely satisfied with the results. We are in southern Connecticut, I can raise the loft temperature at about 10 degrees in ten minutes with all of the heating elements on. After taking the chill out of the loft, I need to turn off the second elements or it just gets too hot underneath the heater. The cost to run this setup is basic math. In Connecticut we pay about .22 cents per kilowatt hour. A 5000 watt heater will use 5 kilowatts per hour so about $ 1.10 per hour per heater when using both elements. Infrared heat is weird, it heats you and your furnature versus the air in the space.
Nice! Sounds like a good set up. Really cool how fast they heat up.
I was leaning toward gas but now thanks to this video, I see that electric would be much better for our setup. Thanks!
Glad I could help
@@embersliving in your video, you mentioned that electricity bills don't really sky rocket as much as one would expect .. but how does one "find out" before committing ? Is there a chart that one can use ? Like ... if one has their unit on for, say, 2 full hours .. times that by the amperage or wattage that it draws ... and that equals _______
@@bmwrulesforeternity5218 so you need to work on KWH so multiply the KW it draws by the time in hours. That gives you KWH usage. Now you need to multiply that by electricity cost per unit. Found on your bill to get its cost. Normally best to just work out it’s hourly rate so just take its KW rating and times it by the cost per unit of electricity for its hourly running cost
If check price. Electric cost double or more per hour to use. Most electric are 1000-2000w. If youre using more than one than your breaker might not beable to handle it. Guy is selling his product so he will have bias. His IR heater runs 500-$1000. The best bang for the buck is the standing $99 has heater that u can find everywhere.
I think anyone knows the natural gas is the champion here not electric
We have a nice size deck. And I’m definitely considering these. I have the standup heater which is nice. But I could definitely add these puppies.
Yeah these are really nice! We have some newer infratech videos going over size and gas vs electric. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. I had a stand up propane heater on the outdoor patio for a week. Pretty sure the only thing I was heating was the moon. Going to try one of these heaters this winter.
haha
This is perfect for Chicago winter's.
true
First video I watched from you. Very entertaining and informative. 🔥
Welcome aboard!
Ahhhhh. Thanks for the reminder about breaker box space!
Yup!
Hilarious! That golden doodle looks just like mine (Cooper)... and we have 2 infra tech heaters being installed next week! (But if you want them, be prepared for long waits as they are on back order for 4-6 weeks)-- and you need a 240 line.
haha awesome!
Just installed mine. Thanks much.
Enjoy it!
I bought the JML PIR patio heater, it’s brilliant!!!
nice
I love this I will be adding a pergola maybe soon or spring!
I want to do this with heaters. I’m in NH
Could you do another video and really show your mounted heaters how you mounted and just show the whole pergola?
that is a great idea! Stay tuned.
@@embersliving thank you so much :)
My husband and I have an outdoor Patio (not attach to the house) It's further away in our backyard. Has no electric. Has roof. Has 2 walls and 2 openings. Had no inspection done since my husband did not install electric wiring to this Patio. During this time, this kind of heater would work. I've done some research and that's how I came to this video. You had explained it very well in details. From 48 to 71 degrees? That's amazing. I think I can convince my husband to buy electric heaters but there may be a problem. Now we may have to pay a fee to have an inspector come out to give us "ok" to go ahead to get the electricity install at the Patio. I am not sure if that can work. The Patio is a little far from the house and we had built raised brick garden beds in between. Again, thanks for your video. I will click the Links below and do more exploring.
awesome!
Thanks . I purchased 3 Dr. Heat 120V heaters from Costco & returned them within 3 days. The tripod’s foot space took up too much real estate and it never heated up the area. I believe that a 220V system will work better but I’m always rearranging my yard for parties. With my 5 outdoor propane heaters and two propane fire pits I can bring a 30’X20’ area to 72-75 degrees. Around 10’-15’ the surrounding areas will be in the 60’s and further away will be in the high 40’s. I stow my stand up propane heaters at the side of my home and secure my gazebo during the rainy seasons. It takes a lot to cover up the yard and the portable propane heaters are the best option for me. I wish that I could have the 220v heaters but then it limits the changes I can do for entertainment. I treat my backyard like an outdoor stage that changes all the time. This is a ton of work and also this constant changes keeps the critters from moving in also. With 9 grandchildren I’m always finding things left where they shouldn’t be especially dropped snacks. With propane I can adjust its footprint but with electric heaters I have to limit where the party supplies are placed. I wish that I could have a larger area is also a reason why I haven’t installed a permanent electrical heating system. If I could safely install portable 220V systems I would be sold. This is a lot of information but it’s what I do to maximize my outdoor entertainment area. What do you do for families with active children? Is this incorporated into your design setup?
Yes. We have some newer videos about infratech and patio heat set ups if yo uwant to check them out .
@@embersliving I’ll definitely check them out. I have also looked at your pellet heater. Two of my countless hobbies are woodworking and Gardening I have tons of spare wood from trees and clean lumber in which I cut to fit in my Costco BBQ(never BBQ’d in it) fire pit. This is the 1st version without the long stack. I never bolted in the ember screen but remove it whenever I have a large flame. I don’t mind the rusting of any of the outdoor fire pits because there’s no way one can prevent any metal unit from rusting especially when it is subject to extreme heat, rapid cooling and moisture. Not to forget the additives from fire logs, starting fluid, sap and moisture from the wood products. Lol even the ash and soot promotes metal corrosion. I might purchase an outdoor pellet heater. After the rainy season ends in California this will be another project for me. I’ll definitely look at your items soon. Thanks for all your great information on outdoor living.
@@embersliving i know there's a few different series, but about how many infratech heaters can be on one 50amp circuit?
Thank You, Got some great ideas from this video
Glad to hear it!
Thanks for valuable info. I am trying to upgrade my screened in patio heating. I have a gas fireplace and one of those table fireplaces but mine runs on propane which is a pain. I also have some tiny mounted heaters that dont do the job. BTW, why so many rude people? Why so they even watch. Probably just Trolls anyway.
haha yes if you only knew the comments! Its pretty unbelievable
Removed a section in my camper where the entertainment area is and installed. Works great. Instead of propane furnace heat, I can use this ruclips.net/user/postUgkxATHBlMJwipGgVWseuAFKvDQ_5R4_lywo to heat the camper as long as it's hooked up to shore power. Only thing I do not like is there does not seem to be a thermostat. I'm presuming it has a built-in one so it does not overheat. Really like all the other color options it has to offer.
Thanks for reviewing.
Thanks for watching !!
great stuff per usual! Thanks!
Thanks again!
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You are so welcome!
Are the infra tech heaters able to withstand the elements if hung in an open/uncovered area? How weather resistant are they? I’d like to heat up a patio but am concerned about their weather resistance. Nice video just what I was looking for.
yes they can no problem
Nice setup.
Thank you
such a nice patio setup. great job. on your way to 10k subs!
Getting close!
Awesome video, great information 🔥
Thanks so much!
A real wood fireplace, hands down!
oh yeah
Great video, Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I'm not surprised your warm you have the fire going and about 5 heaters
haha true
That is stinking awesome 🤙🏼
sweet!
Thanks so much!
No problem! Thanks for watching and commenting 😁
Awesome! Appreciate it
No problem!
So for a covered patio, what gas heater would you recommend? The space isn't super tall, so that's really been my only challenge with finding the right heater. Thanks
I haven't found one I am in love with honestly
Outstanding
ok
Love the informative video. Can you just confirm if the flooring above has spaces or is it fully sealed? I want to do electric heaters but the small spaces between the flooring above scares me.
the floor has spaces
Hi Sir, we live in South Texas and it only get cold from mid Dec and Jan sometimes in February. I love this concept of infra heaters. We have a 9' x 16' pergola patio. Well I measured the beam only so your device can mount on to. Can you advice us on what series would be beneficial to our needs? I was thinking three of the WD-40 series. Can you tell if this should good enough. We basically need it for our Thanksgiving and Christmas parties. And we want it to look just yours mounted and all.
Yeah that would be the model I would recommend!
We have summer in winter in Houston , can’t put away shorts 🩳, one day cold next day hot
Good video... thanks
You're welcome
Hello. We are buying one of these heaters and having it installed. WE have LeD lights installed on the beams similar to how yours are installed but the string is not hanging but rather each light is secured into the beam. It was recommended that we remove the lights from the one beam so that the heater can be installed there. I see that you still have your lights installed on the beam where the heater is . Does the gapping allow for enough space from the heater to make this a safe option I'd consider gapping my lights on the one end instead of figuring out how to we work or reinstall them.
I make sure the lights are behind the heater so there is no heat on them
I am in Alaska, how useful is this setup out in the winter at say 10 degrees, 20 degree ambient temps? I have a 10x20 space to heat as well.
probably not strong enough
TREVOR: Love your videos!
Quick question: With such a blazing fire you have going on in this video, if you were to install a non-plastic fan on your pergola ceiling, could such a fan PUSH DOWN the rising heated air to the people in the seats without the need to heat them with radiant heat from the heaters?
I would really love your thoughts on this approach...
You could try I'm not sure if I would recommend it though
Awesome video! Def will check you guys out. Was curious about the couch you sat on and read the temp, what brand / where you got it from? It looks pretty comfy and cushiony …. Thanks!
love sac outdoor furniture
@@embersliving thx for you reply. Appreciate that
Are the adjustable, (amount of heat?) they can get hot but I might not want to turn them completely off? Also I’m building brand new. Would you suggest getting them built it flush. Would that make maintenance difficult?
There are flush options although I prefer these kind.
Hi Trevor! Great video, learned a lot from it! Love the fire pit table at the beginning of your video, do you know what make / model / brand it is? Thanks so much!!
Studio Nisho Pallas Modern Outdoor Fire Pit. We have a bunch of different sized on our website. If you need any help feel free to call the store. Thanks Tony.
@@embersliving Thanks so much! I’m in Canada but trying to find an excuse to give to my wife so that I can go to Colorado to see your shop! I binge watched like 30 of your videos this week lol. All great! Bought a new home and trying to see what I “need” for the outside lol. After your videos, I need a pizza oven, Napoléon 665 BBQ, some patio warmers and a fire pit table buhahahaha. My marriage was fun while it lasted 😂😂
Im curious of wanting do something like this for our outdoor space; however in our area (Georgia) i cant find who to contact to get quotes etc of what we would need.
Please call us and we can help you out (303) 800-5659
How about your indoor life? You use these infrared light indoors also, or... what do you use for heating indoor?
I'd personally be more interested using infrared ceiling mounted heating applied to an indoor situation.
Fireplaces
Hi do you know much about the Rennai vs Heatstrip outdoor radiant heaters?
not really
Where can I purchase the heaters? Love the set up
at our website, they are backordered now though www.embersliving.com
Checking in from northern new york, 35 below weeks. Hard winters, Have enclose porch, any ideas?
how big
Great video, would have been fantastic if you could mention prices on your setup. Thanks, I did check them out on the website.
We dont put prices because for instacne this video is like almost 3 years old. Prices change a lot. We also have a new infratach video if youre interested. Thanks for watching!
What do you think about outdoor wood stove do they keep you warm outside ?
like wood?
Great Stuff, I live in the UK and have converted half of my single car garage into a bar during lockdown, Trouble is it’s freezing with no insolation and just block work and asbestos roof. What heater would you recommend to put on the wall to get us warm please?
Thanks 🙏
any of the ones in the video
Thank you!!!!!
thanks for watching
Was thinking of gas, but gonna go with this, after listening. What size are in the video and are these hangable?
thanks so much for watching! yes they are hangable. They are the WD-40 series
hello, what type of driver would you fill to do the installation in dedicated circuits I am an electrician and a boy to install 1
I am not familiar
Good perspective. Fair point on the cost to run them. Couple of hours a night isn't much and consumption is based on wattage and what you pay for electricity.
Looks like for that 10x20 space you have four heaters (two on the long edge pointing in, and one longer one on each end?
But which ones? - Maybe two WD-50's on the long edge and a WD-60 on each end? Even four WD-40's would be 16KW? almost 75Amps total? Could you elaborate in the description?
Would be good to know total ballpark cost of install, including the heaters themselves.
yeah I have 3 WD-40, and 1 WD-60. I wanna say it was a few grand for the electrical labor.
@@embersliving Thank you. Gives a good idea. Much appreciated. 82Amps at 220V makes me gulp.
How do you keep your furniture clean with no roof? Lots of snow in Colorado. Doesn't it get covered in snow and ice?
we have a clear roof on it, and our furniture is water proof
Wondering about two spaces that we have that are both open on the sides but have full coverage. First is our deck open on three sides 4th side is our house. Lots of cold and wind. Currently 27 degrees. 12’x22’ full solid roof. The roof is 10.5ft high with framing thats drops down to 9ft on two sides. I’ve precisely been wanting to get this and even paid to run a gas line for our fire pit but it doesn’t come close to doing what we want in the cold mountain air. We are currently building a 35x25 large outdoor dining and living area in the back yard. Roof will be solid not a pergola. Also 2 sides will be enclosed for privacy and other two sides won’t be. One of the enclosed sides will have an outdoor gas fireplace with chimney. I want it to be usable in the cold mountain air when it drops to the 20’s and 30’s. This space will be 12ft high ceiling and have framing that drops down to 10ft to trap heat with heaters. Any way to achieve 60 or 70 in that kind of cold? Have also thought about screening in heat in winter somehow to make it usable when it’s cold. Just looking for solutions when it’s cold or windy here.
I know there are some great solar screen options that will help a lot with holding that in
My old 1955 bungalow here in Socal has only 15amp service to it. What small electric unit, if any, can I but for my small patio space ?
possibly that I am not sure on
15 amps? Wow
what fire table is that? i want to buy one but most models seem to have a low flame, or the flame blows out in the wind constantly.
regency
I had a question and see someone else touched on it. Why are electric infrared heaters better than gas unless the patio is completely covered? Isn't the infrared the same in electric and gas so that both heat objects and not air? I would think that a pergola would lose heat from convection the same for the electric and gas. I don't have either, so please forgive me if this is a dumb question.
no your question makes sense. I personally do not have experience with any gas heaters that work well. The ones we carry are bromic gas heaters, and I do not recommend them in an open setting. But yes in theory they should be as good. But I haven't found that to be the case.
Very helpful video. Is it safe to wall mount above a sliding door or is there a risk of cracking the glass?
I think you can do it
Not a expert, but a sliding door would probably be tempered glass, so thermal shock of breaking the glass is low (make sure I'm correct by looking up thermal shock of the different glass types). After that just make sure your following the install guidelines of the heater manufacturer for set back distance to objects in the heating path of the heater. Should be good if you just make sure those two things are accounted for.
What do you recommend for a closed front porch?
Electric
Can you still install these same electric heaters with a closed porch? I know you said gas heaters are better for those but I also like these ones. My family and I have this idea but I’m trying to learn everything about it first.
yes that is what is nice about them
Is this advisable to mount on vinyl siding?
yeah it doesnt hurt it
There are also infrared heaters powered by natural gas, not electricity. They run on 120 and about .7 amps. As he notes in the video, the electric infrareds that he has are 240V. In addition, EACH unit takes about 14-20 amps. They are AWESOME units. Don’t get me wrong. But if your house needs to upgrade its electric service to accommodate 240 and 14-20 amps per unit, it will cost a FORTUNE. We are about to install two 5,000-watt infrareds that run on natural gas to heat our mostly-enclosed outdoor grill space area in Michigan that is about 150 square feet. The cost of the heater units are about the same as the electric models, but installation is going to be a FRACTION of the cost.
Thanks for the feedback. That’s good to know
can you link the ones you're using? The gas ones i'm finding are 2-4x the cost of these electric units.
If 208v or 240v (you have a choice) is a problem, Infratech also has single element heaters that run on 110 and pull around 15-20 amps. Go to their website and look at all their options. I just purchased a 208v, 6000 watt, 25 amp, dual element heater for my space. I have an older home but had availability in my breaker box for a dual pole breaker.
@@kevinwilson8557 Im in a 1955 small bungalow and have the need for a small patio heater of some kind. The problem is we have only 15Amp service to it. Is there anything I can buy to put back there. Any small one will help a lot as were in SoCal and gets down to the low 40's overnite in winter. Thanks for you help in advance!
@@kee7678 www.amazon.com/dp/B0061N312E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0cs6Fb7VGYDA7
try something like that.
you can go to home depot amd pick one up too. or any big box store.
What brand heater you us?? Thanks for the video I think I will us electric
Infratech. However, we just got some new cool ones called bromic. Check out our website or call the showroom.
A large portion of my deck is covered and I want to heat it. The deck has a wood floor with room between each 2x. What do you think about putting the heaters under the floor of the deck instead of the ceiling? Then you cannot see them and the heat rises through the flooring.
Yeah that might work. Id recommend calling the store and ask one of our sales professionals
love the set up. where did you get your patio furniture?
love sac!
Does that fire pit table run off a propane tank? What model/btu?
this one is on natural gas
Those are neat! Definitely wish it didn't take 240 that's got to be a deal breaker for 80% of people with older homes.
thats true, that is a bummer
Problem is the 120 volt ones just don’t have enough power. Only heats a few feet in front of you.
It’s like saying “I wish a fire hose wasn’t so big and heavy”. Sure you can get a garden hose but you won’t get the water output.
Hey Trevor can you tell me some options for best portable patio heaters? Trying to decide between built in infrared or just a portable one
How many breakers are feeding your heaters? What size breaker are you using?
I will have to check
Do you know of a recommendation for someone who does it in Houston Texas?
well you can buy from us and then use any electrician to install them
In the Canadian North electric heat is very expensive, but I like comfort.😅
Well as a Canadian were still getting tan out here when it's 40 xD
Cool set up, im thinking about installing some at work. You think these would work in extreme cold?
they would but obviously not quite as good
@@embersliving thanks for the feedback. I bought 2 of them I just need to install them.
Can they be mounted against a vinyl sided house?
yes
Can the heaters be mounted to alumawood pergolas?
yes
This video is Chill
Get it
thanks
My gazebo is NOT open at the top. It's covered and in the winter we put curtains up. Would gas work in that scenario?
No you need electfic
WE have a covered gazebo- open on 4 sides 10 x12. It was recommended that I install one 6000W double bulb (not sure of the real terminology) heater. Do you think that is a adequate recommendation?
you could do 2, but 1 would cut it
@@embersliving I don't understand your response? I'll ask my question another way. I have a 10 x 12 covered pergola and want to heat it which and how many heaters do you recommend? The lowest frame is 7 ft from ground and there is a fan ....bottom of fan is at approximately 7.5' in the center'
@@lsmtairy the guy said in video he likes to double coverage so his response said he would do 2, but 1 would cover it. Meaning you are taking a chance that will 1 only, you will have potential for certain areas being less ideal for heat and his words were… there is nothing worse than it having enough. Did you watch the video? I would agree with having all sides open. Lower temps or breeze could impact the 1 only.
Are these safe on an older wood patio?
yes
So im looking to build a bench on my deck and wondering if you could mount one of these under a bench for heating legs and butt up....🤔
ha probably not
Is there anything special you do to keep the heaters crom getting wet?
not really
Quite informative. However, what about maintenance and longevity?
we are working on a new video now we recommend Bromic. little maintenance and great longevity
rarely do I receive a reply from my comments, but I'll try. I am making a 4 season patio enclosure in Seattle. It will have glass all around. Do yoiu still recommend Electric? I do have gas built in to my home.
Yes especially if it’s enclosed. You need good ventilation for gas
the first thing I would do is put some more walls up with some insulation to keep all that heat in. that would make a huge improvement.
so there are screens that come down to try to conserve some heat.
What about the tube gas infrared that look almost identical to those ceiling strips
they aren't bad either
Awesome video I wished that your fire pit information was included as well.
we will have more videos coming on this
@@embersliving cool. Thanks
Can these be used indoors like the tiva Brand ?
yes
Hello, I install the 6k and 4k heaters in Washington often and was wondering what your clearance on the top of those heaters are? Our inspectors in city of seattle would never let us get away without having the required clearance to combustibles above the heater. Yours just look a little high in the video
thanks
@@embersliving on Infratech's site, it says all 4 sides need a minimum of 18" of clearance from all combustible materials. These look like it's around 6 inches-ish. Can you elaborate a little more, thanks!
If you have a roof....but no walls....Gas or electric? Have a 20x20 covered deck....what should I go with?
id do electric
At current energy rates, electric resistance is 3x the energy cost as natural gas (in the midwest). That said, with typical usage (1 hour 3 times per week), it would take a long time to make up the cost against a natural gas heater.
i see
Love it!
Thanks!!
How is a thermometer going to be accurate when infrared heats objects and not air?
ahhh
The thermometer is an object...
Electric can be more practical because ideally you need infra red radiating towards you from 2 directions or more, meaning you need 2 bulky gas heaters which require more overhead clearance. Gas heaters still have their place, as depending on local energy pricing it's takes a crap load of electricity to get the heat output of a 40mj gas heater, about 7 or 8 kw of electric to match a 5 tile ceramic gas heater.
True
Dumb question - do you need to face the heater in order to feel warm? If you are sitting in a chair and the heater is behind you - is the efficiency diminished since these are infrared?
no not really
I live in Kansas and our temp goes winter from as avaerage 25 degrees Fahrenheit to average winter 0 degrees Fahrenheit maybe even less my furnace went out what are my choices I have an oil heater center of house and a ceramic heater
You can take a look at our website and more of our videos to get an idea of what you want.
How many of these do I need to warm up an 1,800 SF outdoor restaurant patio?
Depends on your openings, wind and location.
Yeah there are a lot of different factors at play. Please call our store and a salesman wil go over everything with you. (303) 800-5659
I recently seen some pellet patio heater that are gravity fed and no electricity or gas required, thought it was kinda neat
wow a pellet patio heater?
@@embersliving yes i was shopping for pellets for my bbq and was on lumberjacks website and they have a listed pellet patio heater with a video appears to work good. Keep up the good work your videos are getting better and better
@@polsok44 that would make for a good video!
Can you give the make model of the electric heaters please?
Infratech WD40