My Friend has these 2 and LOVES them both!!! IMO these are the Ultimate amps from these 2 companies! THE ULTIMATE Mesa and the Ultimate MARSHALL...I have the Marshall and no other one I have owned or heard can touch it.
Virtually identical on those two amps: Green Clean JSX and, oddly enough, Clean Green on the HJS. And for the exact reason you mention, perfectly clean for use of distortion pedals. You can still get a good clean tone out of it though, by using a compressor like Joe mentions in the manual.
Okay well. Like, You really didn’t have to do all that for those of us that already know that MesaBoogie and Marshall together are nuclear fission. We learned this through being Metallica fans. Two guitarists doing the same riffs each on one of each. Fat to the full. One fills in the holes for the other and vice versa. They’re the perfect marriage so much it makes You wonder of the two manufacturers conspired and if Metallica are co conspirators. If so that would be the most beautiful conspiracy ever in music and we couldn’t Love all accomplices more for that. Your long drawn out comparison did offer some insights and for that we thank You so much. Thanks rock and roll brother and keep the rocks rolling
Yep that's exactly it, these are two different, modern amps that both sound great. Will say Ch 2 on the JP was pretty darn impressive for crunch... don't recall the Mk V's Ch 2 sounding like that.
Great point .why eliminate options .? I have fender s and gibsons . Same with amps I have marshall and fender . I want every style of amp I can get evh mesa marshall fender vox .....good tone is good tone and i like them all . Life is to short to be that limited to one sound .
They are both great amps...owning both though one big difference is that you can get the Marshall sound out of the Mesa but you cant get the Mesa sound out of the Marshall.
@@SaintFredrocks It has an amazing OT in it!! This isn't an original JVM. Don't change anything inside the Satriani head. Nothing will make the OG JVM sound like the Satch head. He is right, but no the Mesa can't get "THE" Marshall sound... it can get a "Marshall-esque" sound though, and he is right about the Marshall can not do a "Mesa-esque" metal sound!! So he has a point!!
Play a Mesa Mark II or Mark III. They have all the organic thing going on- similar tone but WAY more open & 3D. Here's a vid I did a number of years ago between a III and a JP that is full of condenser mic clipping, but still the difference is so clear that it gets the point across. ruclips.net/video/5t339KHoOt4/видео.html
I had that Marshall JVM 410 JS head for about a year...I sold it because it just wasn't doing it for me personally..I found the standard Marshall JVM 410 head far more flexible and just better sounding IMO !
@@SaintFredrocks The trick with the standard JVM 410 is the gain should never go up above 10-11 o'clock on the dial when using the OD channels ..Just accept this fact and you won't get mushy or feedback..Best amp !
I was considering the Friedman vs the jvm a few years ago, playing the Friedman in person I quickly realized it’s too smooth and tame . I got the Marshall instead and I hadn’t even played it in person. My instinct was right though, the Marshall just has more grit and grind. Friedman are smoother and mesas are smoother than Friedman’s , atleast the ones I’ve played . Mesas are very saturated and silky compared to a marshall . The Friedman’s are too polite if you’re really going for a marshall rasp
You mention "just go watch the John Petrucci videos for a demo of the Mesa", but I have to be honest... from what I remember of those videos, you have dialed a better lead tone on it than he had ;) To each his own and all that... I should say "more pleasing to my own ear"... anyway, I think that lead tone you got out of it is killer.
nah that Satriani amp was a flop..the clean channel is spiky as hell and almost unusable..The Crunch channel is the best but the OD channels are not quite Eq'd right and have this upper treble weirdness..the JCM 800 OD channels..nowhere near close to what a firebreathing JCM 800 can do...I had the amp for a year and the standard JVM kicked its ass..sorry dude..but YOU will end up selling that Marshall..
The original JVM doesn't even sound like an 800, it sounds like a hifi digital modeled 800! you have never heard a firebreathing 800, nor owned the Satriani head. If you did, and I'm wrong, something was wrong with your Satriani amp! There is no treble weirdness in the 410HJS and it has presence and resonance knobs that are extremely usable. You either had a lemon with a problem, or you only own the original and are trying to trash on something you don't own and never have. I owned both, NOBODY would say what you said in context of a "firebreathing" JCM800 (you sound like you've never owned that either to be honest) vs the original JVM lol not even deaf people. The Satriani head is spot on to what it claims to be!! The JVM was NOT even close, which is why there are entire forums to modding it to make it sound like the company who made it.
...are you kidding, with 12 channels with every feature known to mankind? The HJS can cover any sound. Try to do acdc on the JP2C lol. And remember, midi is your friend!
it’s sad that the jvm410js is discontinued
Nice video. Thanks
I love my JVM410HJS through a Marshall 1960av 1960bv full stack. If I had to choose only one amp this is it.
My Friend has these 2 and LOVES them both!!! IMO these are the Ultimate amps from these 2 companies! THE ULTIMATE Mesa and the Ultimate MARSHALL...I have the Marshall and no other one I have owned or heard can touch it.
I think Satch prefers sterile clean channels in order to use it with pedals. The clean on the Peavey JSX was similar.
Virtually identical on those two amps: Green Clean JSX and, oddly enough, Clean Green on the HJS. And for the exact reason you mention, perfectly clean for use of distortion pedals. You can still get a good clean tone out of it though, by using a compressor like Joe mentions in the manual.
@@philfrank5601 Or a very simple mod will add a little more jangle to it. Check out the JVM forum . com
The difference is also in the speakers and cab with regards to the clean channels.
Back a little of the highs and mid's off the Marshall. But vs between the two! I have played both amps and great comparisons. Marshall.
Great review thanks!!...and yes I agree, have both if you can afford it!
Okay well. Like, You really didn’t have to do all that for those of us that already know that MesaBoogie and Marshall together are nuclear fission. We learned this through being Metallica fans. Two guitarists doing the same riffs each on one of each. Fat to the full. One fills in the holes for the other and vice versa. They’re the perfect marriage so much it makes You wonder of the two manufacturers conspired and if Metallica are co conspirators. If so that would be the most beautiful conspiracy ever in music and we couldn’t Love all accomplices more for that. Your long drawn out comparison did offer some insights and for that we thank You so much. Thanks rock and roll brother and keep the rocks rolling
I think a lot of the character is give by the cabs. Would be interesting to test them with exchanging the cabs.
@Michael Jefferson yup, I've been using flixzone for months myself :D
@Michael Jefferson yup, have been using Flixzone for since december myself :D
@Michael Jefferson yup, been using Flixzone for months myself =)
Is the jvmhjs youre selling for US outlets? And for how much are you selling
For my taste JP2C destroy JVM. Nice comparison!!
A little tender surrender in there…love it!
Also when doing comparisons, to be fair you need to compare similar gain settings.
Sick Les Paul. I don't think you'll ever run out of options between those 2 rigs.
Yep that's exactly it, these are two different, modern amps that both sound great. Will say Ch 2 on the JP was pretty darn impressive for crunch... don't recall the Mk V's Ch 2 sounding like that.
The Jp2c still your main amp?
Yep, that and JVM410HJS. Playing it as we speak!
Great point .why eliminate options .? I have fender s and gibsons . Same with amps I have marshall and fender . I want every style of amp I can get evh mesa marshall fender vox .....good tone is good tone and i like them all . Life is to short to be that limited to one sound .
Mesa 100 is a force to be reckoned with! Both are awesome!
I agree 100%
They are both great amps...owning both though one big difference is that you can get the Marshall sound out of the Mesa but you cant get the Mesa sound out of the Marshall.
Put a MM OT in it, and the Marshall will do a lot more.
@@SaintFredrocks It has an amazing OT in it!! This isn't an original JVM. Don't change anything inside the Satriani head. Nothing will make the OG JVM sound like the Satch head. He is right, but no the Mesa can't get "THE" Marshall sound... it can get a "Marshall-esque" sound though, and he is right about the Marshall can not do a "Mesa-esque" metal sound!! So he has a point!!
Mesas just saturate different. They always sound smoother and silkier . Marshalls are more gravely and harsh
Tried Both out when I was buying, bought the JP2C , but would have been happy with the Marshall JVM410JS, just different.
Excellent video
Play a Mesa Mark II or Mark III. They have all the organic thing going on- similar tone but WAY more open & 3D. Here's a vid I did a number of years ago between a III and a JP that is full of condenser mic clipping, but still the difference is so clear that it gets the point across.
ruclips.net/video/5t339KHoOt4/видео.html
I had that Marshall JVM 410 JS head for about a year...I sold it because it just wasn't doing it for me personally..I found the standard Marshall JVM 410 head far more flexible and just better sounding IMO !
Even all the gain on the OD channels?
@@SaintFredrocks The trick with the standard JVM 410 is the gain should never go up above 10-11 o'clock on the dial when using the OD channels ..Just accept this fact and you won't get mushy or feedback..Best amp !
no way!!! I owned that digital hifi sounding amp, and own the Satch head. No way you thought the OG sounded better! lol
Yes, the clean channel is too thin and reedy for my ears compared to the richness of the standard.
The clean is definitely too thin and bright for me . But the distortion is pretty awesome
This Mesa jumped to almost $3500 Jan 2023
Up a cool grand
So to throw a cat amongst the pigeons,bring in a FriedmanBE100-Deluxe...and see how it compares?😁
I was considering the Friedman vs the jvm a few years ago, playing the Friedman in person I quickly realized it’s too smooth and tame . I got the Marshall instead and I hadn’t even played it in person.
My instinct was right though, the Marshall just has more grit and grind. Friedman are smoother and mesas are smoother than Friedman’s , atleast the ones I’ve played . Mesas are very saturated and silky compared to a marshall . The Friedman’s are too polite if you’re really going for a marshall rasp
even the cat is excited 😄
You mention "just go watch the John Petrucci videos for a demo of the Mesa", but I have to be honest... from what I remember of those videos, you have dialed a better lead tone on it than he had ;) To each his own and all that... I should say "more pleasing to my own ear"... anyway, I think that lead tone you got out of it is killer.
Great amps!Bro youy need to chekout alnico cream speakers!!!!
nah that Satriani amp was a flop..the clean channel is spiky as hell and almost unusable..The Crunch channel is the best but the OD channels are not quite Eq'd right and have this upper treble weirdness..the JCM 800 OD channels..nowhere near close to what a firebreathing JCM 800 can do...I had the amp for a year and the standard JVM kicked its ass..sorry dude..but YOU will end up selling that Marshall..
The original JVM doesn't even sound like an 800, it sounds like a hifi digital modeled 800! you have never heard a firebreathing 800, nor owned the Satriani head. If you did, and I'm wrong, something was wrong with your Satriani amp! There is no treble weirdness in the 410HJS and it has presence and resonance knobs that are extremely usable. You either had a lemon with a problem, or you only own the original and are trying to trash on something you don't own and never have. I owned both, NOBODY would say what you said in context of a "firebreathing" JCM800 (you sound like you've never owned that either to be honest) vs the original JVM lol not even deaf people. The Satriani head is spot on to what it claims to be!! The JVM was NOT even close, which is why there are entire forums to modding it to make it sound like the company who made it.
Agree!
I have owned the HJS and played the JP2C and the Marshall smokes it for dinner sorry.
...are you kidding, with 12 channels with every feature known to mankind? The HJS can cover any sound. Try to do acdc on the JP2C lol. And remember, midi is your friend!
Marshall JVM has the worse effects loop of any amp Ive played! for warned, the reason why people end up selling it.
The HJS has a different effects loop.
@@newfiesig Correct. Serial loop in HJS. Works flawlessly.