Your videos are so helpful. You outperform the manufacturers when it comes to clearly and succinctly articulating the relative pros and cons of each option. Thank you! Please keep em coming!
Thanks a lot, really appreciate that! Sometimes the manufacturers convolute things with too much tech talk. Our goal is to inform and clear up some of the confusion out there. we will keep them coming and glad you're enjoying our content!
@@WorldwideCyclery Succinct? Is that what's on his face? Yeah, the last time I articulated I ran out of paper! That was one sh!tty situation! ...they put me up to it, JEFF!
I was thinking "I wonder if the eagle groups sets are cross-compatible." Suddenly you said, "these groupsets are cross-compatible." I'm going back to church now.
Good timing. I was just doing research on this last night as was thinking, "Man... Jeff needs to make a video on this so I can throw my money at them..."
Having ridden all these drivetrains in one form or another, I can tell you that it's worth the extra money for GX or even XO1 if you are a hard rider because the tighter tolerances machined into GX/XO means it can stand up to abuse with little to no missed shifts. As I write this, Sram has yet another groupset called SX. This came on my Trance and within about 2 months of riding, the plastic in the rear derailleur came loose from the rivets and shifting went out the window. Not recommended, stay with NX or higher.
I saved a ton on my bike by getting a GX level build, but I still wanted the crisp shifting of the X01 on my old bike. Upgrading just the shifter to X01 made shifting feel like X01 without the price. Totally worth it and a great easy upgrade.
Love my XO1! I've been riding with it on my 5010 since August 2016 and have never had an issue with it. Great video Jeff! Thanks for taking the time to weigh everything.
Thanks for the video, great description. I went from a 1x10 with a 40 tooth One-Up plater to GX Eagle this year. About 900-1000 miles in, absolutely love it! Here in the the Pacific Northwest with DH and all mountain style of riding, I always felt that on climbs I needed an extra gear despite my fitness level. Eagle solved this issue and then some. 2 x 10 will soon be only for XC riders or people living in a place where there is not a lot of elevation change on trails. Keep in mind, despite your budget, going from 2 x 10 to Eagle, you're shaving off hundreds of grams anyways: front derailleur, extra shifter, and an extra chain ring. Another thing to note is cost of upkeep on GX/NX vs XX1. Chains alone are $30 vs. $80.
The Beautiful thing is that Eagle fits Eagle so you can put your Gx chain on my X01 and it will just work, Visy versy - you can gradually build up your Gx system as finances allow, or not because it all works great!
XX1 is for those XC riders wanting the lightest bike. XO1 is more of a performance trail/enduro group set. GX1 is all trail/enduro affordable version. NX1 is a perfect introduction to eagle with for an all around budget bike. I ride GX1 with XO1 cranks. Might change my cassette to an XO1 next.
Thanks for this! As someone just getting back into things and fixing up my old bike, the amount of parts and models has been blowing my mind. Really nice to get a handle on the difference in pricing between groupsets so I can tell better why one complete bike might cost way more than another, and what parts make up that difference. Great content!
It certainly seems like a lot of money and risk to get xx1 eagle just for improved feel. I know that at the top end this isnt a problem as the pro's can break things and replace them for free but to a consumer having a £200 mech snap off is a killer!
This was probably one of the most helpful videos on this topic that I've ever seen on RUclips. Great work putting together such a comprehensive review 👍
Yea this was a good video, I dont get why the manufacturer doesn't provide non-bullshit explanations on their stuff, I would respect them a lot more. However, I would have appreciated a 100% explanation on each part and why its different from the level below it, but thats just me. I want to go deep into the rabbit hole.
Bought the NX eagle groupset for a 2014 Scott Spark 29er, which came with a 3X shimano system. My NX eagle shifts just as nicely as GX and XO1 kits that I have ridden a lot. I had to swap the bottom bracket to the SRAM DUB ($32) but totally worth it. Since my wheel had a shimano hub I knew I needed a different driver hub or wheel, The NX works on a Shimano hub. The NX eagle is awesome.
Good to know. I guess I need a bottom bracket. I want to put eagle on my kona entourage (I know it’s stupid but it’s my money) gx would require bb, hub/rim and the kit. If I can get nx that wouldn’t be noticeablely more weight on that bike and I could just get a new bb. Now to find one I like...
Okay, here's how I see it. All these groupsets work solidly well. There's about a 500g difference from NX to XX1 Eagle. That 500g costs about $1000. Okay, on the flip side, a good size poop in the morning is about 500g and is free (maybe makes you feel a bit better too). I'd go for the good size poop or lose some weight option. If you've fully exhausted human weight loss then I guess then XX1 Eagle might be your best bet. That's my 2¢.
the XO1 and XX1 runs on sealed bearings VS the GX and NX on bushing it might be worth mentioning too as this is very noticeable when comparing the shifting performance
Great vid! I've got the new NX eagle on my HD4. I was a little nervous about going that low end but the justification is why burn $$ trying to shave weight on a shred sled, I just want a granny to get it to the top of the hill. Time taken doesn't matter. I'm happy to report that it shifts and pedals well even on a 30 mile, 5700 ft epic. Even the cheap stuff is so good these days!
You're great man! I feel the variance is so minuscule it's easy to get ripped off! Especially shopping brand, to brand, etcetera, and not weighing things yourself. Especially when it comes to something like hubs, where there's just random brands you've never heard of. I feel you'll never get what you truly want. Last time I was in the bike shop, they actually gave me a whole different rim than what I asked for, I don't think you'll ever be happy. What I've come to learn is, "just buy the entire bike"; when you start screwing around with parts the cost goes up, things don't work, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
I have both the XX1 and GX and they both shift great, but I have noticed a big difference in responsiveness between the two with the XX1 feeling faster and a bit cleaner than the GX. If not worried about weight the price point of the GX is worth the slightly lower shift quality.
Awesome video! I’ve been swapping out NX and GX derailleur and shifters on most of my bikes since watching this - but will now be ordering (from you) new cranks and cassette to trim more weight and say goodbye to the NX cassettes. Thanks guys, keep um coming!
I'm running a Box One 11-speed on my 26er. Went with the 11-46 cassette as the 11-50 required a huge derailleur, relative to these smaller tires. I ride in northern Colorado and have yet to require that 46t gear. Shifting is smooth and quick. Really happy with it.
My last bike had XO 11 speed group, but I went with GX Eagle on the new rig. Coming from a family of machinists, I really like the high end SRAM cassettes so I will probably upgrade in the spring. I snapped my XO cranks on the old bike though, so I am probably going to stick with aluminum cranks. Bang for the buck on GX is really good. Thanks for the detailed break down !
I agree with the feeling part. I went from an older 2008 sram XO drivetrain and bought a new bike with a 2021 NX eagle. Right away there is a massive noticeable difference. The older drivetrain just felt way more crisp, quicker, and all around better when shifting. The new one works and shifts well like you stated but it’s all the feeling.
You guys kill it with these comparisons! I'm rocking a combination of GX Eagle shifter, cassette, and derailleur with Race Face Next R cranks and a Wolftooth ring. Everything functions smoothly and I love this setup!
I run a GX Eagle Drivetrain with Descendant cranks, I am getting the Mavic plus-sized rims off my hardtail which had NX 11spd (Shimano freehub body) so I've got an NX Eagle cassette!
The main difference in chains is their longetivity. I've had X01 Eagle for over a year now and this is my experience. I first got GX chain and I did 1050km on it until it was ready to be replaced. Now I have X01 chain and I just passed 1500km and the chain is barely stretched at all! I was told that the golden XX1 chain lasts even longer, I will give it a shot if I ever wear this one out.. :P
I use a wolf tooth GC 49t on my Sram 11 speed 11x42. It works fairly well , with very little adjustment to the B screw. When I contacted Sram before I did so , they told me no way it would work. They first gave me this reply:We can 100% tell you, being the derailleur designers and manufacturers, 42t is for sure the maximum clearance for our 11 speed 1x rear derailleurs. So I thought this was not a very good answer as to why, then they added this :All derailleurs have a limited amount of clearance for any specific large cog. The 1x rear derailleurs are meant to move in a horizontal axis that also follows the tooth profile of the cassette range, with the distance of the top pulley teeth to cog teeth distance set by the b-adjust screw. For the 1x MTB rear derailleurs, this distance is 15mm. This distance allows for the pulley and chain to be moved over the next cog without contacting the cog during the shift. Any cog larger than intended by design for the derailleur's capacity increases risk of contact with the upper pulley and/or potential for chain jam if the chain does not clear the adjacent cog during the shift as intended due to space limitations. Here's the stated derailleur clearance limitations for all SRAM derailleurs: MTB: The Eagle 1x12 speed rear derailleurs are designed for clearing a 50t maximum cog. 1x11 long cage rear derailleurs are designed for a maximum large cog of 42t only. 10 speed MTB rear derailleurs are designed with a 36t maximum cog. 9 speed MTB rear derailleurs are designed for a 34t maximum cog. Road: Long cage road 1x rear derailleurs clear 42t max large cog. Medium cage road 1x rear derailleurs clear 36t max rear cog. Medium cage WiFLi 10 and 11 speed 2x road rear derailleurs clear 32t max. Short cage 10 and 11 speed 2x road rear derailleurs clear 28t max. Warranty is void for any use modifications to these ranges. Use of cog extenders or use of cassette that exceed these ranges for these derailleurs are at your own risk. So why do the manufactures of these extenders seem to know what the max cog is? Or does Sram just believe that if you want lower gearing, you should upgrade to their 12 speed systems?
I have Gx Eagle 1x11 on my bike and my wife has Nx 1x11 on her bike. They both work really well and haven't had any problems. I actually switched from a Shimano 2x10. I've demoed Santa Cruz and Ibis with XX1. I don't really notice much of a difference. At least, not enough to warrant the price difference between the drivetrains. I would like a 1x12, though.
Jeff your videos are the best of both worlds, great entertainment with information to help make the right decisions. Also loved you on the MTB podcast. Keep being you brotha, love it!!!
This is what I've been waiting for! Love tech stuff. Thought you were going to swing across the screen on a ball and chain at the end though! lol If you need to get rid of that GX groupset let me know. ;) ;)
There's a shop near to me that is selling an "AXS budget group" that is using a mix like you describe at the end - NX cranks, GX cassette (for the 10 tooth), plus an X01 AXS derailleur and shifter. Saves a lot over buying the whole X01 axs group. A little bit of a hit on the NX crank weight, but just the difference in price between the GX and X01 cassette saves you a few hundred bucks.
You wouldn’t believe it. Right now, my google search. Is “sram eagle drivetrain compatibility” and then you’ve said all eagle drivetrains are compatible lol. Happy days, now to get me some new shifters, crank and chain. Yasssss
NX is the best choice. The other products are mainly used to enrich the company and if there is a customer ready to spend without counting, good for the consumer society. To gain a few grams, it is better to change the wheels or put less water in the gourd. ;-)
Thanks and sharing useful info to me. I pre-ordered bike equipped with NX 1*12 but not yet get it from shop. After your video, there are much more expectations to NX.
I think the X01 is the best bang for the buck, although my 2 bikes have needed the shifting tweaked after every 5 rides or so, and I am not hard on shifting at all.
Always quality! In my opinion the channel and the good quality content make me much more willing to spend my money with WWC vs other companies because your helping the community and it feels like u get to know what the company stands for. Keep it up guys!! 🤙🤙
Awesome Carson! Thanks a bunch for the love! Bikes are supposed to fun and if anyone can help clear up some confusion in an inherently confusing industry it's always a good thing. Glad you're watching and we'll keep the content flowing!
I love my GX group, but here's a tip for bigger riders or anyone who puts down a ton of power: go with the x01 cassette, if possible. Not because of the weight, but because of the fact that x01 is machined from one piece of material (except for the 50 tooth). I went through two GX cassettes in 200 miles of riding because the pins that hold the stamped rings together get loose, the cassette starts creaking, and before you know it you end up with bent cogs and crap shifting. I upgraded to the x01 cassette and haven't had any problems for 400 miles. Worth the price, imo!
not even about putting down too much power. im not strong but i experienced the 42t cog of my 11sp come loose and creak. i just think sram doesnt know how to pin the cog properly. but im still gonna try nx or gx and cross my fingers...
I had my local shop build me a new rear wheel for my chameleon on an industry nine hub with xd driver and a wtb hoop. Splurged and had them get me an xd driver.. so I’ll never know how the NX cassette performs.. will be saving a fair bit of weight though!
It'd be really cool if SRAM could make a GX quality/weight cassette which would work on a shimano freehub (of course, with 11t being the smallest cog). This way you could cut ~165 grams just in the cassette.
Finally someone that clearly explain the differences, thanx a lot ! You didn't mentioned the differences between the Sram NX and the Sram NX Eagle (same thing for GX, XX1 etc...) ?
@@WorldwideCyclery thanx for your response ;) I'm about to buy a MB but it comes with the old NX 11speeds. Im looking how expensive it is to upgrade to GX eagle as 12spd is becoming the standards...but I think you have to go to the university to understand all the components of a bike ahah
Exactly what I'd like to hear...x9 so many mixed opinions but overall one of the better older groups🤙I still run mine on a new frame but its from 2008! No issues
Cracking a joke at the rush to market. Product cycles were a bit longer in the past. I like Rotor, just picked up their BB, but their drivetrain will barely scrape the surface of the drivetrain market. Shimano has done something risky/exciting this year, but we all know within a year the new xt will come out, within another year Sram will release pterodactyl. It’s really all about competition and maintaining market share.
I ride an NX on the Roscoe 7 and Its really nice. But after spending many many hours of slow and fast pedaling on the bike and really getting a feel for it I can feel many areas where it could improve so I could easily understand the Gist of this video by saying "you can just feel the nicer ones are of a higher quality" without actually riding them myself.
Pro tip from sram. It's all in a shifter pod, buy the GX derailleur and get the XX one or x0 shifter pod. also change the cables and housing to Shimano, they are supirior, sram housing isn't pre lubed and their cables are thinner diameter, if you just switch the cable to Shimano and not housing , the Shimano cable is thicker and will get caught up in the sram housing.
I'd like to see durability tests on the GX, X01 and XX1 cassettes. I put in high miles (about 10000) on the trails and ate through a few cassettes last year. I've run both X01 and GX, the latter being more affordable but heavier. I'd spend more for the XX1 if there was a marked reduction in wear rate with the TiN coating but the pressure points on the teeth are so small I think that coating will be gone in 100 miles. Other than the cost of cassettes the x01 drivetrain is fantastic. I have not adjusted anything since I bought the bike 16 months ago and it still shifts perfectly.
Running the GX on my Spartan, love it, climbs like a goat. However my local shop suggested an X01 chain at the end of this season for longevity. Maybe some carbon cranks for good measure 👌.
My GX chain was between .5 and .75 on a park guage in 6 months.. have replaced with X01 because a friend with an X01 groupset on a Whyte T130 has got over 18 months out of his chain and still going strong.
Like to see a video comparing 27.5, 27.5+ and 29er wheel sizing. Like to hear some simplified geometry talk regarding the whole long travel 29er craze. Maybe something of a guide as to what kind of rider ought to consider what wheel/travel combo.
I bought a used bike that came with X01 Eagle. I had demoed the same bike with the GX built and I would lie if I said that it s worth the difference. The GX is spot on. Personally, the difference is barely noticeable. Love my X01 but will buy GX next time. I m not a pro...
I demoed both back to back and also couldn't notice any functional difference. GX shifted great. Though, enjoy the weight saving seeing as you have it!
great video, precise, clear, graphical. Love it, thanks for sharing mate! (waiting for my Trek Top Fuel MY19, with a super nice GX Eagle with Truvativ Stylo Carbon DUB cranks
Excellent video, especially the explanation of the free hub differences between the NX, and the rest of the groups: (Shimano fee hub versus the XD driver body) Critical information if your building 1x for the first time. Thanks.
I drive the GX and i think its the best Price/value. It shifts a little bit rough but i like it, because it shifts very exact. Would recommend it for an Enduro (E-) MTB. Additional i would recommend you to upgrade some moving parts like Chain and Rolls into XX1 Series, its a bit tougher and more long lasting, especially if you drive an e bike.
Gonna make the swap to a GX deraileur at some point from NX. Seems like a wise idea to shave some weight off and get a “better” shift. Ive whacked my NX off a number of things so far and its held up well.
I have GX Eagle groupset and practice all mountain and a little of enduro. The Group is nice but I bent the derailleur. In GX Eagle Group, the derailleur is not so well built like their big brothers, is some weak. After some readings and advices, I decided change for a X01 Eagle derailleur. I think is the best option for the price if you do jumps and technical downs.
I would go with X01 shifter because of the feel, X01 Cassette for the weight and GX deraileur because it is cheaper to replace when you rip it of. Crankwise i would stick to my RF Atlas cranks.
If i will buy XX1 groupset, i would change the cassette to XO1 because the xx1 cassette is more heavier than XO1 cassette its good to save some little weight on your drivetrains
Your videos are so helpful. You outperform the manufacturers when it comes to clearly and succinctly articulating the relative pros and cons of each option. Thank you! Please keep em coming!
Thanks a lot, really appreciate that! Sometimes the manufacturers convolute things with too much tech talk. Our goal is to inform and clear up some of the confusion out there. we will keep them coming and glad you're enjoying our content!
I know, right? Jeff is clear enough and explains with the down to earth language needed to reach the real people. Kudos to WWC
Agreed 👏
@@WorldwideCyclery Succinct? Is that what's on his face? Yeah, the last time I articulated I ran out of paper! That was one sh!tty situation!
...they put me up to it, JEFF!
I was thinking "I wonder if the eagle groups sets are cross-compatible." Suddenly you said, "these groupsets are cross-compatible."
I'm going back to church now.
*new 520 eagle comes out*
"Hi I'm Martin and I'm an atheist"
😉 Get it?
I love the table of comparisons of weights.
Good timing. I was just doing research on this last night as was thinking, "Man... Jeff needs to make a video on this so I can throw my money at them..."
We read minds over here as well, haha!
Lol
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Having ridden all these drivetrains in one form or another, I can tell you that it's worth the extra money for GX or even XO1 if you are a hard rider because the tighter tolerances machined into GX/XO means it can stand up to abuse with little to no missed shifts.
As I write this, Sram has yet another groupset called SX. This came on my Trance and within about 2 months of riding, the plastic in the rear derailleur came loose from the rivets and shifting went out the window.
Not recommended, stay with NX or higher.
I saved a ton on my bike by getting a GX level build, but I still wanted the crisp shifting of the X01 on my old bike. Upgrading just the shifter to X01 made shifting feel like X01 without the price. Totally worth it and a great easy upgrade.
Love my XO1! I've been riding with it on my 5010 since August 2016 and have never had an issue with it. Great video Jeff! Thanks for taking the time to weigh everything.
No problem Michael! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video, great description. I went from a 1x10 with a 40 tooth One-Up plater to GX Eagle this year. About 900-1000 miles in, absolutely love it! Here in the the Pacific Northwest with DH and all mountain style of riding, I always felt that on climbs I needed an extra gear despite my fitness level. Eagle solved this issue and then some. 2 x 10 will soon be only for XC riders or people living in a place where there is not a lot of elevation change on trails. Keep in mind, despite your budget, going from 2 x 10 to Eagle, you're shaving off hundreds of grams anyways: front derailleur, extra shifter, and an extra chain ring. Another thing to note is cost of upkeep on GX/NX vs XX1. Chains alone are $30 vs. $80.
The Beautiful thing is that Eagle fits Eagle so you can put your Gx chain on my X01 and it will just work, Visy versy - you can gradually build up your Gx system as finances allow, or not because it all works great!
XX1 is for those XC riders wanting the lightest bike. XO1 is more of a performance trail/enduro group set. GX1 is all trail/enduro affordable version. NX1 is a perfect introduction to eagle with for an all around budget bike. I ride GX1 with XO1 cranks. Might change my cassette to an XO1 next.
GX is prone to snapping itself.
@@Gaz494 How so?
Gaz Thorner nah, I’ve done 1000kms on mine with no problems
I have the xx1 cranks with xo1 cassette and xo1 derailleur this to me seems the best of Option!
Thanks for this! As someone just getting back into things and fixing up my old bike, the amount of parts and models has been blowing my mind. Really nice to get a handle on the difference in pricing between groupsets so I can tell better why one complete bike might cost way more than another, and what parts make up that difference. Great content!
It certainly seems like a lot of money and risk to get xx1 eagle just for improved feel. I know that at the top end this isnt a problem as the pro's can break things and replace them for free but to a consumer having a £200 mech snap off is a killer!
This was probably one of the most helpful videos on this topic that I've ever seen on RUclips. Great work putting together such a comprehensive review 👍
Thanks a lot Steve, really appreciate that!
Smiley Miley. I run SRAM NX 1x-11. So far after 800 mi it performs great. no problems except a small adjustment I made in the high-Lo set screws.
Hell yeah! Why the hell didn't Sram make a video like this? Nice work guys. Very helpful and entertaining.
Yea this was a good video, I dont get why the manufacturer doesn't provide non-bullshit explanations on their stuff, I would respect them a lot more. However, I would have appreciated a 100% explanation on each part and why its different from the level below it, but thats just me. I want to go deep into the rabbit hole.
Im using the Gx Eagle and im happy 😁
Well designed, executed and still relevant presentation nearly two years out ! Thanks for this
We'll have an updated version of this video coming at ya in a month or two. Stay tuned 🤘
Bought the NX eagle groupset for a 2014 Scott Spark 29er, which came with a 3X shimano system. My NX eagle shifts just as nicely as GX and XO1 kits that I have ridden a lot. I had to swap the bottom bracket to the SRAM DUB ($32) but totally worth it. Since my wheel had a shimano hub I knew I needed a different driver hub or wheel, The NX works on a Shimano hub. The NX eagle is awesome.
Good to know. I guess I need a bottom bracket. I want to put eagle on my kona entourage (I know it’s stupid but it’s my money) gx would require bb, hub/rim and the kit. If I can get nx that wouldn’t be noticeablely more weight on that bike and I could just get a new bb. Now to find one I like...
Agree they all shift great but there is a crispness to high end drives just like any fine machine. Similar to a high end trigger on a firearm.
Okay, here's how I see it. All these groupsets work solidly well. There's about a 500g difference from NX to XX1 Eagle. That 500g costs about $1000. Okay, on the flip side, a good size poop in the morning is about 500g and is free (maybe makes you feel a bit better too). I'd go for the good size poop or lose some weight option. If you've fully exhausted human weight loss then I guess then XX1 Eagle might be your best bet. That's my 2¢.
I think GX is the ultimate drivetrain for non-pros.
Until it self-destructs...
Gaz Thorner good point
I’ve been riding gx eagle for over 1000kms and very happy. So far. Lots of mud and gunk, so just replaced the chain (hardly any wear).
Update: derailleur replaced under warranty by sram at approx 3k kms / 2k miles.
nic louw Would you still recommend gx?
the XO1 and XX1 runs on sealed bearings VS the GX and NX on bushing
it might be worth mentioning too as this is very noticeable when comparing the shifting performance
simply seeing them side by side within 10 seconds gets a double thumbs up!!
I've just bought a Trek Roscoe with NX Eagle and been super impressed so far. Great value for money
Shimano XT works great for me! When I rip a RD off on a rock 11speeds w clutch are about $60 to replace. So i'll rock the XT for some time I think.
Great vid! I've got the new NX eagle on my HD4. I was a little nervous about going that low end but the justification is why burn $$ trying to shave weight on a shred sled, I just want a granny to get it to the top of the hill. Time taken doesn't matter. I'm happy to report that it shifts and pedals well even on a 30 mile, 5700 ft epic. Even the cheap stuff is so good these days!
Thank you Steve! You're right, these days you don't have to break the bank in order to have a really good drivetrain.
You're great man! I feel the variance is so minuscule it's easy to get ripped off! Especially shopping brand, to brand, etcetera, and not weighing things yourself. Especially when it comes to something like hubs, where there's just random brands you've never heard of. I feel you'll never get what you truly want. Last time I was in the bike shop, they actually gave me a whole different rim than what I asked for, I don't think you'll ever be happy. What I've come to learn is, "just buy the entire bike"; when you start screwing around with parts the cost goes up, things don't work, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
I’ve owned GX and GX AXS on my 2 bikes. Recently upgraded to X01 and XX1 AXS after winning the lottery. Man, you really get what you pay!
Complete SRAM DUB XX1 groupset paired with SRAM Guide Ultimates; thanks to you guys for the increíble deal on them!
Awesome! Happy to help :) Let us know if you have any other questions.
I have both the XX1 and GX and they both shift great, but I have noticed a big difference in responsiveness between the two with the XX1 feeling faster and a bit cleaner than the GX. If not worried about weight the price point of the GX is worth the slightly lower shift quality.
2 years later still relevant and funny .who write your stuff .your videos are hands down hands up the best ! Pura Vida
Upgraded from the SX Eagle to a full GX Eagle groupset and it's awesome. Thanks bro.
Awesome video! I’ve been swapping out NX and GX derailleur and shifters on most of my bikes since watching this - but will now be ordering (from you) new cranks and cassette to trim more weight and say goodbye to the NX cassettes. Thanks guys, keep um coming!
I'd say the X01 shifter is a decent bit better than the GX shifter. It is crisper and more precise
I'm running a Box One 11-speed on my 26er. Went with the 11-46 cassette as the 11-50 required a huge derailleur, relative to these smaller tires. I ride in northern Colorado and have yet to require that 46t gear. Shifting is smooth and quick. Really happy with it.
My last bike had XO 11 speed group, but I went with GX Eagle on the new rig. Coming from a family of machinists, I really like the high end SRAM cassettes so I will probably upgrade in the spring. I snapped my XO cranks on the old bike though, so I am probably going to stick with aluminum cranks. Bang for the buck on GX is really good. Thanks for the detailed break down !
No problem Brian! Thanks a lot for the feedback!
I agree with the feeling part. I went from an older 2008 sram XO drivetrain and bought a new bike with a 2021 NX eagle. Right away there is a massive noticeable difference. The older drivetrain just felt way more crisp, quicker, and all around better when shifting. The new one works and shifts well like you stated but it’s all the feeling.
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Awesome video guys! Your videos are simply on another level with all the tech info and no BS approach to the topic.
Thank you, really appreciate that! We're always trying to clear up some of the confusion and sometimes the nonsense out there as far as information!
You guys kill it with these comparisons! I'm rocking a combination of GX Eagle shifter, cassette, and derailleur with Race Face Next R cranks and a Wolftooth ring. Everything functions smoothly and I love this setup!
I run a GX Eagle Drivetrain with Descendant cranks, I am getting the Mavic plus-sized rims off my hardtail which had NX 11spd (Shimano freehub body) so I've got an NX Eagle cassette!
The main difference in chains is their longetivity. I've had X01 Eagle for over a year now and this is my experience. I first got GX chain and I did 1050km on it until it was ready to be replaced. Now I have X01 chain and I just passed 1500km and the chain is barely stretched at all! I was told that the golden XX1 chain lasts even longer, I will give it a shot if I ever wear this one out.. :P
Luke this is valuable info, thx bro
GX group with an X01 crank is the best weight/performance/dollars combo IMHO
Jeff Low i reached the same conclusion.
Great job, Jeff! Entertaining, informative, and super useful.
Cheers!
Thanks a bunch, glad you're enjoying our channel! We'll keep cranking out the content.
I use a wolf tooth GC 49t on my Sram 11 speed 11x42. It works fairly well , with very little adjustment to the B screw. When I contacted Sram before I did so , they told me no way it would work. They first gave me this reply:We can 100% tell you, being the derailleur designers and manufacturers, 42t is for sure the maximum clearance for our 11 speed 1x rear derailleurs. So I thought this was not a very good answer as to why, then they added this :All derailleurs have a limited amount of clearance for any specific large cog. The 1x rear derailleurs are meant to move in a horizontal axis that also follows the tooth profile of the cassette range, with the distance of the top pulley teeth to cog teeth distance set by the b-adjust screw. For the 1x MTB rear derailleurs, this distance is 15mm. This distance allows for the pulley and chain to be moved over the next cog without contacting the cog during the shift. Any cog larger than intended by design for the derailleur's capacity increases risk of contact with the upper pulley and/or potential for chain jam if the chain does not clear the adjacent cog during the shift as intended due to space limitations. Here's the stated derailleur clearance limitations for all SRAM derailleurs:
MTB:
The Eagle 1x12 speed rear derailleurs are designed for clearing a 50t maximum cog.
1x11 long cage rear derailleurs are designed for a maximum large cog of 42t only.
10 speed MTB rear derailleurs are designed with a 36t maximum cog.
9 speed MTB rear derailleurs are designed for a 34t maximum cog.
Road:
Long cage road 1x rear derailleurs clear 42t max large cog.
Medium cage road 1x rear derailleurs clear 36t max rear cog.
Medium cage WiFLi 10 and 11 speed 2x road rear derailleurs clear 32t max.
Short cage 10 and 11 speed 2x road rear derailleurs clear 28t max.
Warranty is void for any use modifications to these ranges. Use of cog extenders or use of cassette that exceed these ranges for these derailleurs are at your own risk. So why do the manufactures of these extenders seem to know what the max cog is? Or does Sram just believe that if you want lower gearing, you should upgrade to their 12 speed systems?
I have Gx Eagle 1x11 on my bike and my wife has Nx 1x11 on her bike. They both work really well and haven't had any problems. I actually switched from a Shimano 2x10. I've demoed Santa Cruz and Ibis with XX1. I don't really notice much of a difference. At least, not enough to warrant the price difference between the drivetrains. I would like a 1x12, though.
Jeff your videos are the best of both worlds, great entertainment with information to help make the right decisions. Also loved you on the MTB podcast. Keep being you brotha, love it!!!
Thank you so much! Seriously appreciate the kind words! Ride on my friend :)
This is what I've been waiting for! Love tech stuff. Thought you were going to swing across the screen on a ball and chain at the end though! lol If you need to get rid of that GX groupset let me know. ;) ;)
Haha thanks for the wrecking ball idea! Hmmm
There's a shop near to me that is selling an "AXS budget group" that is using a mix like you describe at the end - NX cranks, GX cassette (for the 10 tooth), plus an X01 AXS derailleur and shifter. Saves a lot over buying the whole X01 axs group. A little bit of a hit on the NX crank weight, but just the difference in price between the GX and X01 cassette saves you a few hundred bucks.
z.browning just curious what's the price?
@@cassysamel3914 $1383, you can get it without crankset for $1248
You wouldn’t believe it. Right now, my google search. Is “sram eagle drivetrain compatibility” and then you’ve said all eagle drivetrains are compatible lol. Happy days, now to get me some new shifters, crank and chain. Yasssss
NX is the best choice. The other products are mainly used to enrich the company and if there is a customer ready to spend without counting, good for the consumer society. To gain a few grams, it is better to change the wheels or put less water in the gourd. ;-)
Thanks and sharing useful info to me. I pre-ordered bike equipped with NX 1*12 but not yet get it from shop. After your video, there are much more expectations to NX.
Thanks Vincent! Good choice on the NX Eagle group, you'll be stoked!
I look forward to every video you guys put out! This one was perfect! I was just reading about these as I need a new cassette for my X01
Great Eric and thanks a lot! A video like this has been long overdue.
I think the X01 is the best bang for the buck, although my 2 bikes have needed the shifting tweaked after every 5 rides or so, and I am not hard on shifting at all.
Easy,excellent ,very professional presentation pal.
Always quality! In my opinion the channel and the good quality content make me much more willing to spend my money with WWC vs other companies because your helping the community and it feels like u get to know what the company stands for. Keep it up guys!! 🤙🤙
Awesome Carson! Thanks a bunch for the love! Bikes are supposed to fun and if anyone can help clear up some confusion in an inherently confusing industry it's always a good thing. Glad you're watching and we'll keep the content flowing!
I love my GX group, but here's a tip for bigger riders or anyone who puts down a ton of power: go with the x01 cassette, if possible. Not because of the weight, but because of the fact that x01 is machined from one piece of material (except for the 50 tooth). I went through two GX cassettes in 200 miles of riding because the pins that hold the stamped rings together get loose, the cassette starts creaking, and before you know it you end up with bent cogs and crap shifting. I upgraded to the x01 cassette and haven't had any problems for 400 miles. Worth the price, imo!
Good point Mike! If you're laying down some power and/or a bigger guy, splurging on a better cassette isn't a bad idea.
not even about putting down too much power. im not strong but i experienced the 42t cog of my 11sp come loose and creak. i just think sram doesnt know how to pin the cog properly. but im still gonna try nx or gx and cross my fingers...
Great video! My yt came with the NX group components so I dont really have anything to compare to but I've been happy with it so far
I had my local shop build me a new rear wheel for my chameleon on an industry nine hub with xd driver and a wtb hoop. Splurged and had them get me an xd driver.. so I’ll never know how the NX cassette performs.. will be saving a fair bit of weight though!
You guys are killin' it! Keep'em coming!
Thanks for the awesome feedback!
one of the most useful videos you have made.
That's great to hear! Thanks for watching. :)
It'd be really cool if SRAM could make a GX quality/weight cassette which would work on a shimano freehub (of course, with 11t being the smallest cog). This way you could cut ~165 grams just in the cassette.
Great video/ information. Now we need the same for the new Shimano XTR so I can make a decision what to buy... should include Di electronic ...
Well done review, extremely easy to understand and well organized, you answered all of my questions!
That is what we strive for! Thank you for watching, if you enjoyed this video please subscribe to our channel. :)
Finally someone that clearly explain the differences, thanx a lot !
You didn't mentioned the differences between the Sram NX and the Sram NX Eagle (same thing for GX, XX1 etc...) ?
Glad you liked it! And yeah "Eagle" just implies 12spd and fur larger cassette. All the older NX, GX, X01 and XX1 are 11spd.
@@WorldwideCyclery thanx for your response ;)
I'm about to buy a MB but it comes with the old NX 11speeds. Im looking how expensive it is to upgrade to GX eagle as 12spd is becoming the standards...but I think you have to go to the university to understand all the components of a bike ahah
great vid! would also love a video with a wider comparison between these new group sets and the older ones (X0, X9,X7)
Exactly what I'd like to hear...x9 so many mixed opinions but overall one of the better older groups🤙I still run mine on a new frame but its from 2008! No issues
I love these drive trains, I would just die to have one of those XX 1’s on my bike.
Just updated my old bike from its original 3x9 Shimano XT groupset to a full GX groupset 🤩
Can’t wait till 13 speed pterodactyl comes out next year in response to shimano’s 12 speed drivetrain.
Cracking a joke at the rush to market. Product cycles were a bit longer in the past. I like Rotor, just picked up their BB, but their drivetrain will barely scrape the surface of the drivetrain market. Shimano has done something risky/exciting this year, but we all know within a year the new xt will come out, within another year Sram will release pterodactyl. It’s really all about competition and maintaining market share.
Actually Shimano is coming out with an XT 14 speed it's going to be called the samurai available soon.
Jonny Wishbone, you fell for their april fools joke
I'm using xo1. Couldn't be happier
I ride an NX on the Roscoe 7 and Its really nice. But after spending many many hours of slow and fast pedaling on the bike and really getting a feel for it I can feel many areas where it could improve so I could easily understand the Gist of this video by saying "you can just feel the nicer ones are of a higher quality" without actually riding them myself.
Finally a vid on the eagle DTs
Pro tip from sram.
It's all in a shifter pod, buy the GX derailleur and get the XX one or x0 shifter pod. also change the cables and housing to Shimano, they are supirior, sram housing isn't pre lubed and their cables are thinner diameter, if you just switch the cable to Shimano and not housing , the Shimano cable is thicker and will get caught up in the sram housing.
Nice Tips!
I'd like to see durability tests on the GX, X01 and XX1 cassettes. I put in high miles (about 10000) on the trails and ate through a few cassettes last year. I've run both X01 and GX, the latter being more affordable but heavier. I'd spend more for the XX1 if there was a marked reduction in wear rate with the TiN coating but the pressure points on the teeth are so small I think that coating will be gone in 100 miles. Other than the cost of cassettes the x01 drivetrain is fantastic. I have not adjusted anything since I bought the bike 16 months ago and it still shifts perfectly.
Simon Hodgson this ^^^^^, especially in respect of the different chaind
Running the GX on my Spartan, love it, climbs like a goat. However my local shop suggested an X01 chain at the end of this season for longevity. Maybe some carbon cranks for good measure 👌.
My GX chain was between .5 and .75 on a park guage in 6 months.. have replaced with X01 because a friend with an X01 groupset on a Whyte T130 has got over 18 months out of his chain and still going strong.
Like to see a video comparing 27.5, 27.5+ and 29er wheel sizing. Like to hear some simplified geometry talk regarding the whole long travel 29er craze. Maybe something of a guide as to what kind of rider ought to consider what wheel/travel combo.
Very thorough presentation 👍🏼
Truvativ grips carbon crank, Gx Cassete,x01 derailleur and gx shifter is my pick
I bought a used bike that came with X01 Eagle. I had demoed the same bike with the GX built and I would lie if I said that it s worth the difference. The GX is spot on. Personally, the difference is barely noticeable. Love my X01 but will buy GX next time. I m not a pro...
I demoed both back to back and also couldn't notice any functional difference. GX shifted great. Though, enjoy the weight saving seeing as you have it!
I upgrading to the Gx group set and will be riding it all next year
So much bang for the buck!
I had SX Eagle stock on my Stance but upgraded to GX groupset. The SX aren’t even used so the cool thing is I have them as an emergency kit.
great video, precise, clear, graphical. Love it, thanks for sharing mate!
(waiting for my Trek Top Fuel MY19, with a super nice GX Eagle with Truvativ Stylo Carbon DUB cranks
Thanks for the feedback! Let us know if you have any other questions :)
Excellent video, especially the explanation of the free hub differences between the NX, and the rest of the groups: (Shimano fee hub versus the XD driver body) Critical information if your building 1x for the first time. Thanks.
I drive the GX and i think its the best Price/value. It shifts a little bit rough but i like it, because it shifts very exact. Would recommend it for an Enduro (E-) MTB. Additional i would recommend you to upgrade some moving parts like Chain and Rolls into XX1 Series, its a bit tougher and more long lasting, especially if you drive an e bike.
Xo1 shifter & derailleur, gx cassette and chain and descendant carbon cranks👍
Gonna make the swap to a GX deraileur at some point from NX. Seems like a wise idea to shave some weight off and get a “better” shift. Ive whacked my NX off a number of things so far and its held up well.
I have GX Eagle groupset and practice all mountain and a little of enduro. The Group is nice but I bent the derailleur. In GX Eagle Group, the derailleur is not so well built like their big brothers, is some weak. After some readings and advices, I decided change for a X01 Eagle derailleur. I think is the best option for the price if you do jumps and technical downs.
I would go with X01 shifter because of the feel, X01 Cassette for the weight and GX deraileur because it is cheaper to replace when you rip it of. Crankwise i would stick to my RF Atlas cranks.
Thank you for another great video! All the best 💚
Awesome comparison video. Great job!
Thank you!
4:08 watch the masterlink move!!
Unless you are a top racer the NX makes the most sense for a everyday bike. I rather loose weight my self and keep the savings. Great video.
Amazing video! Thank you so much for explaing everything crispy clear!
Nice, should do a comparison on the new XTR vs SRAM.
very cool comparison, thank you Jeff!
Thank you!!!
I have a Gx but going to up grade to X01 soon. loved the video.
I’m building and choosing parts for an SB 5.5 raw and I’ll take the XX1 in Fort Knox gold.
please do the same comparison with Shimano lineup!!
Thanks for all this info Jeff, very helpful 👍🏼
Thanks for the love Don! Always good to hear feedback on these topics!
If i will buy XX1 groupset, i would change the cassette to XO1 because the xx1 cassette is more heavier than XO1 cassette its good to save some little weight on your drivetrains
Looking at prices in the UK right now, the GX derailleur is significantly cheaper than the NX and the shifter is the same price. Weird but good.
$600 for .5 lbs... I may go back to GX after this vid.
Bear in mind that X01 Cassette's and Chains in conjunction are proven to last 1000's of more KM's than GX Cassette/Chains(via CyclingTips).
@@TheCrookedWheel nahhh