Why Palpatine Was INSANELY IMPRESSED With Obi-Wan On Mustafar
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Anakin may be the Chosen One, but he's not the Obi One.
Underrated comment. 😅
Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! That is stone cold.
That's gold Jerry
I forgot how to spell obi wans name after reading this comment lol
ILL FIND YOU OBI WAN
Nobody seems to pick up on that master kenobi told sidious he'd beat anakin way back on general grievous's ship. Not in exact words but he told palpatine "sith lords are our specialty" Kenobi had already beaten maul and grievous by the time that he faced Vader. Master kenobi also had the most experience in duels against sith. He faced maul as a padawan, dooku multiple times and sparred with anakin countless times. His specialty was quite literally dueling sith lords.
Buddy. He literally said that before fighting dooku, and losing.
@@ericb8241 because sidious used the force to help dooku take him out. Not to mention how both were terrified at how good Kenobi had gotten at soresu
@@lukeskywalker2913 could kenobi defeat darth caedus or maybe even kylo ren or better yet his fellow jedi that died at the hands of darth sidious including mace windu himself i wish anakin never becae darth vader he destroyed the jedi temple killed lots of innocent jedi what anakin did at the jedi temple was a war crime seeing him cut off mace windus hand turning against the jedi was a big mistake years later luk skywalker himself would destroy his own father and redeem im on the second death star kenobi in my honest opinon could even destroy rey in her prime rey is the biggest mary sue shes indeed the queen of all mary sues luke skywalker no never hes the og the orginial farm boy ben solo as kylo ren whines more than anakin skywalker luke skywalker jaina soo fel anakin solo jacen solo and ben skywalker heck kylo ren is far more annoying than r2d2 and c3po heck bb8 is unoiginial and dumb j j abrams and rian johnson themselfs commited a war crime by making episodes 7 8 and 9 and rian johnson should never be allowed to direct another star wars film due to how much he destroyed luke skywalker the last jedi is the worst of the worst along with the force awakens and the rise of skywalker i dont even consider the force awakens the last jedi and the rise of skywalker as canon to me those films are stupid fan fiction ill never ever stop hating on them because they are that bad
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus Breathe mate damn you good?
@@ericb8241 Actually there is a lot more to Obi-Wan's and Anakin's duel with Dooku in RotS. While I do believe Sidious helped Dooku take out Kenobi with the Force, the Novelisation of RotS explains more what is going through Dooku's mind during the duel, including why Dooku had to fall back so heavily on the Force to take Obi-Wan out of the battle. Put simply, Dooku, one of the greatest duelists of his time was actually intimidated, perhaps even scared of just how skilled and precise Obi-Wan had become when practising the lightsaber form of Soresu, to the point where Obi-Wan was effortlessly deflecting Dooku's strikes with apparent ease. This unnerved Dooku as he feared what would happen if Obi-Wan was to continue duelling him alongside Anakin, so Dooku was forced to fall back on Force abilities which of course would be stronger than Kenobi's.
The character of Obi-wan is one of the best fictional figures you could look up to. He wasn't especially gifted but because of hard work and dedication, he was a force to be reckoned with. And his determination to always do the right thing and fight temptation is a good example for anyone.
Not only a force to be reckoned with, an S-tier Jedi and one of the most powerful jedi
Not hard work, self-mastery
That's why he was my favorite character, the wit they gave him in the clone wars show was in a class of it's own
@@Grivian Obi Wan is A+ tier at Mind Manipulation. A tier in Force Push. His defense against Force Lightning is A tier. His Lightsaber Dualing is B tier.
@@lanceknightmare Agree except that lightsaber dueling is S tier. Also his force defense is A+ tier (later S tier in ANH), stamina is S tier, non lightsaber combat is S-tier and overall strength and physicality is S-tier
Considering how many headaches Obi-Wan caused Palpatine I am kinda surprised Palpatine didn't decide to deal with him personally.
Sidious's biggest mistake was underestimating Kenobi repeatedly due to his ego. He never thought highly of Kenobi, since Kenobi wasn't particularly strong in the Force, not like Yoda, Mace Windu or Anakin. He was just an average Jedi Master who was beneath him and his time, to consider Kenobi a threat would be an insult to himself and his power. In Sidious's mind, Kenobi just got lucky all those times, and ultimately it lead to his downfall.
@@jonarbuckle778 his ego is hilarious, especially when you consider that supposedly he believes the sith are so powerful that they don't need lightsabers but yoda beat him in the duel and forced him to run around and start throwing shit
@@mercury2157 Yoda didn’t beat Palpatine. He disarmed him, yes, but if Yoda was so much better than he would of been easily able to kill Sidious the moment he was disarmed. Yet somehow Palpatine fended Yoda off after being disarmed and then proceeded to disarm him in return. If the fight had continued with both of them being disarmed then Yoda would have lost, plain and simple. They were almost equals but Yoda had a slight edge in lightsaber combat and Palpatine was stronger in the force.
@@mercury2157 Also Palpatine can ragdoll almost any force user instantly without the need for lightsaber combat. Look at the way he pinned Maul and Savage against the wall. He could of easily killed them both then and there with the force but he chose to let them down so he could have fun duelling them. If Palpatine can break someone as powerful as Maul’s force shield instantly then I think that speaks for itself.
@@JackTheShadowMuncher daddy paps was getting beaten.
Yoda only bounced because he saw the bigger picture. They were pretty much equal in force. But yoda was much better than paps in duelling
Everything that happened in the clone wars went exactly how Sidious wanted it to (the parts he cared about that is). Apart from Obi-wan right at the end, handicapping his perfect little plan, and ensuring the safety of Luke. He's the only one that so genuinely inconvenienced and undermined Sidious' intellect and scheming
That’s why he’s the 🐐
@@jackdubs25 lmao I actually meant to say that but forgot to type it
The force kind of helped you know lol all is as the force willed it
Never again will there be a villain as cunning and intelligent as Palpatine in the Star Wars franchise. The bar has been set too high.
Kenobi defeat of maul was another unforseen loss. And dooku up until until right before his death begged sidous to reconsider and take kenobi instead of anakin
Remember at the start of phantom menace he sensed a plot to kill the Jedi, this was brushed aside by qui gon as not in the moment. But actually this plot was unfolding at the exact time and missed by all other Jedi. Obi was always under rated in always.
Very under rated, sensed the sith plot, defeated maul twice, defeated grievous, and defeated Vader twice
You Kno what. You are exactly right
“I have a bad feeling about this”
“I don’t sense anything”
“It’s not about the mission master, it’s something elsewhere…elusive “
Literally right from the fucking start
Meanwhile Mace Windue 5 minutes before order 66:
"I sense a plot to destroy the jedi"
@@radicalxg8282 thrice*
The best example of his focus is every time he says “I will do as I must” he does exact;y that. He sets himself firmly in the light side of the force and focusses all of his ability and purpose on achieving that one, specific goal. He isn’t emotionally distraught or torn in a thousand different directions, nor worrying about any other issue. He achieves his goal and then goes about his business, humbly and without fanfare. He is a fantastic Jedi Master, truly worthy of the title in all aspects.
I've heard it said that ObiWan was conflicted during this fight. He didn't want to defeat Anakin, his brother, but he will do what he must. He fights defensively the entire battle, which is his style, but also because there is a part of him that hopes Anakin will come to his senses and turn back without being hurt. It's not until the end of the duel, when Anakin makes it clear that he will not repent, that Obiwan disables Anakin. But note that he does not kill him, he still hopes he can be redeemed. If Obiwan truly was intent on destroying Darth Vader on Mustafar, he would have killed him.
This is contrasted with Obiwan and Anakin's final duel in the recent Obiwan series, where he acts more aggressive towards Vader because he is committed to defeating him because he believes he is lost. Also his duel on the Death Star which is quite assertive. See Jill Bearup here on RUclips.
Maybe that early lesson from qui gon about focus paid off here
@@SamCoulson Technically, in the long run, vader could be redeemed so Obi-Wan was right there too wow
In sheer power, Obi-Wan started out as weak, lacking natural talent like Anakin has but he compensated it by working hard and adapting and surviving challenges to become one of the last Jedi Council Members
Obi-Wan kept facing foes that’s more gifted or stronger than him, he at times survive those battles by adapting and using skill and strategy to win
For young Vader, Obi-Wan despite being outclassed in power level, knew Anakin’s techniques and knew how to counter him and prolong fight until he could strike him when he’s overconfident
He is that man that despite not having the talent had the passion and drive to be better. To be a Jedi that is in itself a talent to have an unwavering drive.
To be fair, Anakin was also heavily clouded with emotion here. He's truly drunk on the Dark Side for the first time and was in turmoil in ways Obi-Wan wasn't. Had they been at their peak and on equal footing, Anakin probably would've won. Who knows though
@@thalmoragent9344 Qbi-Wan didn't want to be the one to kill Anakin , he even asked Yoda to take out Anakin and he would take on Sid and with the whole downfall of The Jedi I think Obi-Wan emotions were high as well
, that said it is kind of hard to say how strong Anakin was at this time. I know by this time he had killed Count Dooku but I always felt like Dooku was tricked by Sid and told to allow Anakin to win and Dooku thought he was to be taken hostage as part of a bigger plan .
I always wished there was a different version where Obi-Wan and Anakin were able to talk it out and then what? When Obi-Wan first shows up he says something like "I am trying to help you" and Anakin said something back like "you are here to kill me" At that point Anakin had stacked the temple so he crossed a line that I don't think could be forgiven , yet Obi-Wan would have needed him to take out Sid...........awkward..
You seem to be conflating "talent" and "midi-chlorian count". Being strong in the force and being a talented duelist are not the same thing. Sure, being strong in the Force can compensate a lack of talent in duelling, but only to a degree. In Rebels and later The Mandalorian we see people with connection wield the Darksaber, and quite adeptly. They would be at a disadvantage against a jedi with strong connection to the Force. But suppose the jedi lost their connection to the Force; can you imagine a forceless Yoda or Windu defeat Sabine Wren? I can't. But I think Obi- Wan would have a chance of winning.
@@MrAranton I get what you are saying and it is for sure more clear with someone like Yoda but you are just basing that on a Jedi's race , body type or age.
Anakin had more raw power in his Hand then Obi-Wan did in his whole body but it doesn't matter if Anakin is only able to connect a fingers worth of power that would in turn balance the scales enough for the fight to favor Obi-Wan's style of fighting.
My point is either way they were using "the force" at all times so it's really hard to say where skill and "The force" start and stop. Again with Yoda it is much more clear. Or like with Mace I get why you used him as an example since he is so deadly with a light saber because he is able to tap into the force in a different way then most but he still learn and knew I think like 5 forms of Light Saber combat so again it would be hard to say what is the force and skill/
Not only did obi-wan defeat anakin, he defeated three out of four of palpatine's apprentices. Darth maul, general grevious, and anakin. Dooku was the only one he couldn't beat.
Not the mention the only reason he couldn’t beat dooku was because studious used the force to help dooku so that anakin would end up using the dark side to kill him
@@venomouskaiju4791 source?
@@Jedioutcast I believe it’s mentioned in the novelization of the Episode 3
General grievous was not an apprentice lmao
@@hibernate44 he was dookus
Well, Obi-Wan's teacher knew exactly that training is nothing and will is everything. The will to act.
I see what you did there. Nice reference. 👏🏾
Will is nothing without a very specific skillset
@@Kittonwy Good luck.
i was just pondering, 30 seconds before reading your comment, the will to act and how it applies to my life and who i am looking for in a partner. thought i’d share, dunno why
@@Kittonwy skills that his master acquired over a very long career
Not sure why he thought so little of Obi Wan, the man bested both Maul and Grievous.
And Anakin.
I think it's because obi wan is the least gifted with the force.
Bested Maul as a padawan at that
Right. Obi Wan was really the biggest thorn in his side and messed up Palpatine's plans more than any other. Let's add raising and hiding Luke into those as well.
Cause hes british
Calling Obi-wan an average Jedi master is incredibly reductive and just seems wrong. I mean even if you just take the movies as a baseline he defeats Darth Maul as a padawan and destroys General Grievous. Those two accolades alone put him above all the Jedi save for Mace and Yoda, both much older than Obi-wan. This also isn't including his many feats throughout The Clone Wars.
Average connection to Force, not average Jedi. His dueling skill is among the best, he just isn't particularly noteworthy in terms of Force sensitivity like Anakin. Obi-Wan won only because Anakin did not fight with the Force, as in his arrogance he believed he could win a saber duel against his own master.
@@trbz_8745 no he was using the force during the fight. he had just wiped out the entire Jedi temple so he was drained tho. Obi wan bested him because he knew his apprentice pychologically, he let it go on and on an acted like he was slowing down which got anakins ego flamin up. Then he set him up on the same position he himself was in with Darth maul. Something Anakin knew everything about because he had always told Anakin he should have lost that fight. So when the opportunity to beat his master with his own move presented itself, he couldn't resist. Obi wan knew that too. He was the inferior yet still proved superior with strategy.
Tbh Darth Maul and Grievous aren't that impressive by themselves in the grand scheme of Star Wars. Grievous would've lost in literally a minute to Ventress had it not been for his droid army, and Maul got lucky that Qui Gon was older and tired relatively quickly because of his lightsaber form.
I think it was dooku's taunts that led people to their ideas about kenobi. Like it or not when someone talks trash and then washes you, it has an effect
The only thing average about Obi-Wan was probably his wisdom. He never seems to have much on an opinion about the force, philosophy or politics and just goes along with whatever the council says. Probably because he was constantly frustrated with his very opinionated Master and apprentice.
I'll be completely honest when I say that Kenobi is the true image of how a Jedi should be. He is the example of what happens when you do it right. **Hello There**
No, qui gon and plo were the true image of the Jedi
@Thisis Gettinboring That guy clearly just wants to be contrarian and not actually offer anything to the debate, no indication whatsoever from him that he has another idea as to who is the real embodiment of who the Jedi should be. I would agree with you for the most part. I don’t believe there was ever anything Obi-Wan could do to stop Anakin’s fall as it really didn’t have anything to do with him or his teachings. The real issue was his relationship with Padmé, and how he let fear control his actions and not being mindful in the force. Kenobi’s only fault was adherence to the teachings of the Jedi, his old master was constantly coming up against the council and doing what he thought was right, no matter the Scenario, Qui-gon was righteous and aligned with the light side of the force firmly. It’s a shame to see that Obi didn’t inherit the rebellious streak of his master, it could have helped immensely in locating Darth Sidious earlier and bringing his reign as chancellor to a quick halt.
@ℂ'𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕊𝕚 𝔹𝕠𝕟! he wouldn’t have been able to buy that part if he didn’t find Anakin to enter the race and make a bet.
Exactly!
Obi may have only had average connection to the force, but he trained for years with someone with far more raw ability than he had.
It just shows that with average ability nothing replaces hard work and experience.
I wouldn’t underestimate Obi Wan - which is what every Sith did and including you!
His connection to the force didn't look average in the fight against Vader in his series
@@danshotguns4226 Yeah, but most Jedi are so devoid of passion that I suspect it cripples them in most aspect of life, not to mention force use.
Obi, was many things, but he had passion.
@@danshotguns4226 definitely not. By that time he had become quite powerful in the force. Obi wan is a vastly underrated jedi in terms of connection with the force. Was always a solid duelist with his form 3 lightsaber combat, but his force abilities really grew later in life, as we saw in the Kenobi series.
Let's see...this man who was so unremarkable he barely was even given a master and further training, went on to become the second greatest hero of all the clone wars (behind anakin himself), defeated the first sith in 1000 years, killed the most famed jedi killer in millenia, and then through the emotional turmoil of the genocide of his people, matches and defeats the chosen one, making him a shell of his former self
Obi-Wan was badass in ROTS.
Anyone with a genius level that high at form 3 will always topple a frenzied attack but only if you have pure focus, the ENTIRE dual
@@kaidiya2403 sixteen episodes work together the 2 finale episodes On the whole, I definitely felt this season was not only good but also an excellent improvement over season 1. We got a lot more intriguing stuff such as the phasing out of the Clones, the Bad Batch figuring out what to do, the potential of a Clone Rebellion, etc. Also, limiting the guest characters was appreciated too, and even with the guests used such as Senator Chuchi, they were used to great effect. So yeah, I greatly enjoyed this season and look forward to season 3 (which I suspect could be the final one ends with a plot twist and leaves the next season in so many directions Tech's sacrifice was powerful, moving, and unexpected. I do however think One of my favorite seasons of Star Wars. Everything hit for me and it all paid off in the end Not enough people recognize the incredible character writing we have in star wars now. From season 7 of CW to the end of TBB s2, the squad has evolved so much. Not to mention all the other stories like Mando whose characters have majorly evolved. And of course Andor with its deeply nuanced approach. Some people see star wars as a fun action franchise, which it is, but it is also so much more and should be recognized for that Overall I did enjoy this season, definitely the best of the two so far. I think Season 3 will be great with what they have set up. We got a lot of good character development, emotion, fun stories, new worlds and characters, and a lot of good action. For what this show is on its own following this squad of characters I think they are handled well. I am personally on the side of seeing each episode for what they are and not as "filler" because it didn't follow some main storyline. Each episode follows our Batch even if some might be lesser than others. I am ready for Season 3 though and we'll see if they announce it at Celebration here soon I hope it all comes together in a satisfying third season and maybe a finale Bad batch season 2 is like when it's good, it's GREAT. Crosshair had almost ALL the best episodes and when it was bad it was horrible filler. I'm just surprised the bad batch didn't have an episode where they were doing Sid's laundry or grocery shopping. In my opinion, this show is so disappointing. Why are all of the most important character decisions off-screen? Cody leaves the Empire, Echo leaves the group to go with Rex, and the Batch leaves Cid, all of these are off-screen and irritate me I hope they cut out all those unnecessary filler episodes next season.
I think many underestimated Obi-wan and even if is not the strongest force wise, he is perhaps the strongest mind in the trilogy in my opinion, very intelligent and incredible endurance.
And it seems like he uses his defensive and endurance skills mixed with jokes and others to create a emotional reaction which push them to be aggressive and drain the energy of his enemies will keeping defending while waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
The fact that he is underestimate could work in is favor too against a sith which would either surprise or enraged the enemy
Just say it how it is: Obi wan has plot armor with everything up to a new hope because we all know it was the first movie to come out and in a universe where failure means death, obi wan can't be allowed to fail because Ben's number ain't up yet.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 true that!
What if Obi-wan was infact already a ghost in ep4. That would have been interesting but I don’t think it works with ep4 .
In some sense he already is in ep4, just waiting the final mission to be accomplished and accepted his death to become a ghost
@@wholesome_masochist4113 No i would say Obi was the last true Jedi (together with Qigo). He took the teachings serious and keep improving himself while others Sith as well as Jedis simply relaid on their power level.Its like being a big strong guy in real life, you can dominate most opponents until you met that small dude who really took his material art serious and trained like a mad man.
when qui gon jinn got killed by maul, for obi wan it wasn't rage he felt but determined justice. its the same concept as electric judgement. which can be confused with sith force lighting,which is focused from hate and anger. where electric judgement can only be activated when the jedi is extremely compelled to enforce justice.
thru the entire fight gin and obi used a non lethal light saber form meant to subdue, disarm and capture maul alive, but maul was a master of all 7 forms, so good he could take on a master and soon to be jedi. then when he knocked obiwan off the cliff his emotions were filled with joy, pride. so he lost his sharp focus, that the sith get from anger and hate. then when obi one summoned the force, grabed gins light saber, maul was expecting obiwan to use the same self defence form and anticipated a disarming strike. but the light side of the force itself guided obi-wan to perform a killing blow. because there was no way to capture him alive, his master was dead. obi wan would of died he fought toe to toe and in an equal fight, and there would of been no justice at all for the Jedi maul killed. so the force guided obi-wan to strike a killing blow at the very exact moment he would of only have been able too.
which is parallel to luke putting away the guiding system when he took the shot at the death star. he had to forsake all conventional thinking from past, experiences and training, and truly let go and let the force guide him to perform a very precise action.
this also shows that qui gon jinn did his duties as a teacher masterfully, as he had to meditate to connect to the force, where obi wan was able to summon it in the very moment he needed it most. Obiwan had surpassed his master which is the hallmark of a great teacher. in that instance he had also been able to technically disarm maul by cutting his dual saber in half.
this is what confused maul because he was a sith and did not expect this padawan to deal a killing blow in the end, when every move he used before was from a pacifist form. since maul could of never grasped the concept of determined justice. also he did not understand how the Jedi draw there use of the force. where the sith it just pure tenacity,grit, hate and focus. with the jedi it a sudden burst of genius focused in a single blow at the most important time, hidden/disguised, backed up behind natural jedi tenacity and grit.
Best duelist aswell
Not sure anyone but Obi wan could have kept their composure, remained fearless and trusted the force after just losing the chosen one to the dark side. His lack of fear was enhanced by his sense of duty. It was his padawan. Anakin was torn between light and dark, Obi wan remained faithful.
Obi-Wans character arc is more subtle, but enjoyable nonetheless. He starts out in TPM as a near dogmatic follower of the current Jedi system, nearly disdainful of QuiGons rebellion towards that same dogma. At the end, we see him step out of that just a little. Through AotC we see him trying to be the good Jedi knight the modern order expected of him, but also exercising a little bit of rebelliousness himself, concerning Anakin/padme, etc. By RotS, while he is still trying to appease the council that he now sits on, you can see his frustration in the modern Jedi model showing through a couple of times, and by the duel at the end, we see him near-fully stepping into the role what QuiGon would have said a Jedi should be.
@the pew place great observation. Obi Wan has quite a subtle but huge change over the movies.
I was always confused by this "chosen one prophecy". The galaxy was dominated by the Jedi, no Sith to be seen, and yet QuiGon was all about "bringing balance to the force ". Well in the end the chosen one brought balance. 2 Sith and 2 Jedi survived.
The High Ground is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural. & Obi wasn't average, he was good, it's only his power in the Force that were average+ at least (imo it's good too, not just avrge+)
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Obi-Wan obviously has great force power if he was able to stalemate the more powerful Anakin on Mustafar when they had the force beam struggle.
@@fmthebaron not to mention what he did to Vader in the Kenobi finale. People really sleep on Obi wan’s force power
But he has the will cannot be matched by anyone. That’s why he’s so great
His Midichlorian count was low to average, just above regular inquisitors. It was determined that in normal circumstances, he shouldn't be able to do insane stuff that Yoda, Sidious Windu or Anakin could. Yet he still become one of the most powerful force users, due to his dedication to the craft, to the force, and to the people he cared for. It was not wrong to judge that his force power was not great. The force just assists him thanks to how dedicated he was, and not solely because of high Midichlorian count. He didn't get the job done because he was powerful or because he had everything necessary for it. He got the job done because it had to be done, and he poured his soul into making sure it does.
I’ve always wondered what palpatine thought of obi wan
He was literally palpatines opposite when it comes to anakin
While palpatine was a father figure pulling him to the dark side
Obi wan was the literal opposite pulling anakin towards the light
Obi-Wan told Anakin what he needed to hear. Sidious told him what he wanted to hear.
audience2 great observation
@@audience2 every single thing palpatine did or said in the movies was a power move. he was always trying to get more for himself. if you rewatch the series keep that in mind when palpatine says or does anything
Stupendous wave is the master of getting that 10,000 word essay. Let’s repeat the same sentence 500 times, 1,000 different ways.
You would think Palpatine. a person who is insanely intelligent would appreciate the intelligence of Obi-wan.
Well, Palpatine was also very arrogant, which tends to be the downfall of the Sith historically
There's no way in Hell Kenobi was an average Jedi!!
He may have been humble and respectful of the Grand Masters like Yoda, but he was also the same Jedi who took down Darth Maul, General Grevious, and Darth Vader.
To me Obi Wan Kenobi in his prime was the truest Jedi in the whole series.
Agreed. An "average" Jedi being a master on the council?
Yeah but his niche is fighting sith lords
Average in terms of his force potential.
I think the reason sid was impressed was that he was not only willing to kill/maim Anakin but the fact that even though he cared so much for his former padawon he left him to roast to death on a volcanic slope.
Ha! You called him Sid. I just realized a cool Sith name would be Darth Sid Vicious.
I would say Obi Wan also always knew the Jedi were vulnerable despite Anakin and the prophecy, which is another reason why Obi Wan excelled where the other Jedi failed.
Actually he was hypocritical, judgemental and slimy, as far as I see it? He got Padme killed, if he didn’t pop up the way he did? He wouldn’t have thought she turned on him, he totally threw her under the bus. Anakin felt betrayed, so shaming him then making him a triple amputee then saying he loved him? No wonder only his son could end up turning him back, Padme felt the good left in him, obiwan just treated him like shit. Then ofcourse Disney solidified the mustafar lie by having vader say HE killed anakin.
“Obiwan ? Now that’s a name I haven’t heard since I cut off your fathers limbs and left him for dead in a volcano”
@@CBRHurricane6 I agreed you, Kenobi series must reset.
I was hoping they'd make Rey a granddaughter of Kenobi. They had the perfect set up for it. Kenobi was the only one to defeat a Skywalker (Ben defeating Vader mirrors Rey defeating Kylo).
They also had backstory ready made in The Clone Wars, where it's clear Satine had an affair with Kenobi and could have very easily concealed a pregnancy once he'd left her side to return to the Jedi Order. There was also no need to explain that backstory in the movies since it's made clear with Anakin sexual relations aren't forbidden, just love and attachment.
Rey was raised on a desert planet (mirroring Ben's long stay on another, and even his plain garb), she was naturally good at handling weaponry (A Mandalorian talent from Satine), and these things would have explained a lot of her natural talents and (hopefully) toned down the horrific Mary Sue-ness of her.
It would have also been interesting to make the Knight of Ren Mandalorians, giving Rey the extended family of sorts that she'd always yearned for.
Not like it matters now, after the destruction of the entire Skywalker lineage. The Skywalkers were the heart of Star Wars as it was a family drama in space, and my love of the franchise died with them.
my dad was hoping for that, kylo was a skywalker and her wanted rey to be a kenobi, skywalkers prove to be too emotional so maybe to break the cycle a kenobi is needed.
@@Rammkommando Smart man. I think that the original goal was to reveal Rey as a Kenobi, but when they essentially copied A New Hope they chickened out on bringing a Kenobi back for fear of more claims they were only rehashing old material. Thing is, a romantic end game would have been new and compelling since it would involve the two lineages all SW fans care about, but with a completely different trajectory and outcome, healing the cosmic wound that their grandparents created and bringing balance. The entire new trilogy is a sad pile of wasted opportunities.
I agree but my love of the franchise will never go away.
@@intpleb4206 They had so many chances. Rey hears Obi wans voice first when touching the lightsaber. Her accent. Her calm and controlled demeanour. a stretch but neutral clothing. she could do the jedi mind trick which both Luke and Anakin originally struggled with but not Obi wan. Perfect opportunity but nope ruined
Master Fay's longevity is a reminder that, if one can sense the will of the force and align themsleves with it, one can accomplish anything that MUST be done. Remember Obi-Wan's words right before his duel with Anakin. He said, "I will do as I must."
Just imagine:
If Qui Gon Jinn lived. He was a Grey Jedi, I think. Someone who didn't live by the standard Jedi rules.
I'm insanely impressed by Obi-Wan at baseline, period. He's not perfect, but he truly does have a heart of gold, and he's man enough to admit his mistakes and try to change for the better/make amends where needed. I like to think that Obi-Wan and Anakin get to have their happily ever after after ROTJ. Lord knows they both went through the wringer in life.
Obi Wan is the everyman of the Jedi. He's good but not technically the best. However he has heart and never gives up, which often helps him win against overwhelming odds.
@@Crichjo32 “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one."
But I agree with you that Obi-Wan was truly a good-hearted person who sincerely cared about his fellow humans (compared to many of the other Jedi who were cold and rather robotic) and loved the Skywalkers deeply. At the end of the day, Obi-Wan being a good man is what impresses me and makes me love him, not how good he is with a lightsaber.
Still there were so many Jedi around and people consider Obi Wan to be average. But people keep forgetting that he was still one of the most skilled duellists of the order. Remember that most other Jedi never really encountered a real fight against another lightsaber user at that time if you exclude occasional sparing sessions. There is a reason why the counsel relied on him so much.
@@oliverhardy9464 Who else has won in fights against Siths? At most a handful, we're talking the likes of Yoda and Anakin. The vast majority of the other Jedis have never been in real fights (as evidenced by the abysmal real life combat performance on Geonosis in AOTC). Sometimes I think the other Jedis just say that Obi-Wan is average to spite him out of envy. The same way they treat Anakin like shite. Those two were the golden duo in their Jedi days.
Good analysis. I know that a lot of people wouldn't see it the way you just broke it down, especially since Obi-Wan was supposed to be "an average Force-sensitive being." But he had focus and determination during his mission to stop Darth Vader on Mustafar. I think THAT buffed him up and burned away any fear that he may have had. You can hear it when he says "I will do what I must." I mean David wasn't supposed to be much when he slew Goliath, right? In reference to Obi-Wan's Force abilities, it's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.
With watching RosT - Obiwan coming into the final fight has just whitnessed the remains of the Jedi temple, Him and Yoda probably tried searching for survivors there, but only found bodies.
They reconfigured the emergency message to tell all other Jedi to hide and not to return to Corrisaunt, then found evidence that Palaptine and Anakin were the reason behind it. The two Jedi agreed on their, essenially, suicide plan. Yoda would only have a matter of minutes to engage Sidious before being swarmed by Guards and Obiwan was to face his Padalwan, who even he recognises as both stronger than himself and the one fortold to bring balance.
They had already lost, the Jedi had fallen and would continue to fall, these two were the last ones who were in any position to try and make things right, and the only way they could was to go in guns blazing and die upon the sword if need be.
I think Obiwan never expected to leave mustafar, he checks Padme once to ensure she is alive and doesn't look back at a life long friend, though he circles away from her, knowing Anakin will be the agressor and keeping her away from unwanted harm when the duel starts.
Isn't it also stated that Yoda fails to sense Obiwan until his ship is coming into land at the astroid station?
Now that I think of it kenobi ruined 2 of plalpatines apprentices and got out of it *physically* unharmed
He is a man of focus, commitment, and sheer fricking will.
Even more impressively Obi-Wan saved the whole galaxy. His learning how to transcend the force allowed him to be in the X-Wing cockpit with Luke. Without Kenobi guiding Luke’s hand the Death Star destroys the Rebellion and the Sith win everything. He defeated Vader, he saved the children, he helped destroy the death star. Icon.
With all of Sidious' foresight, I'm surprised he didn't think for one second that Obi Wan knew every single move and attack that Anakin was going to deploy. Obi Wan was THE perfect opponent to fight him 👍 yes he's alot less powerful in the Force vs Anakin but Obi Wan is a fully trained Jedi Master and the one person that would know how to work around this.
Palpatine’s over confidence is always his weakness. He was far too confident in Anakin’s abilities that he wouldn’t even consider the fact that Obi-Wan knew Anakin’s fighting style inside and out.
Anakin and Obi-Wan were equally skilled in lightsaber combat, and anakin just literally CHOKED Padme! The conflict!!!!
@@Take_it_E-z Anakin was superior to Obi-Wan
@@JackTheShadowMuncher he lost so indeed he was not!
I always found it interesting that the first clone we see get order 66 is cody
I think because of Qui Gon, Obi Wan got the right kind of teaching, not to just follow blindly, but to use your knowledge and feelings. I think we have heard a few times for a Jedi or in training to reach out and I think it scares many of the Jedi Masters, mainly because they think the dark side is totally evil and I think thats why their power wanes and their views narrow. A single mindedness that Obi Wan (as you said not afraid) had I think could beat Anakin (Darth Vader) anytime as was proven
to be fair, the dark side *is* depicted as totally evil. the whole point of the fall of the jedi wasn't 'there is not light side or dark side' those are very much things. the lesson from the prequels is more nuanced, its more about not trusting dogma blindly. and how even *being* on the 'correct' side isn't enough if you misuse use your position.
Funny obi wan tried to be the exact opposite of Qui Gon . Qui Gon was more of a grey jedi
Yes, I agree. There is a calm humble sublime yet confident aspect to Obi-Wan that makes him able to do what you describe. Very easy to respect that about him.
Sidious should have taken note of Obi-Wan when he "killed" Maul as a padawan...
They did he was made a knight s
And eligible to take a Padawan which only kinigts and masters could do
@@starwarsfannumber I was referring to palpatine specifically underestimating Obi-Wan for the second time.
Feels like Luke went into the second Death Star also with a singular purpose- turn his poppa or die trying…?🧐🤔 great vid as always!! Obi Wan had black Air Force energy on Mustafar 😂😂😂
That's a very interesting point you made on this video, and I do think Obi-wan deserves respect for his achievement on Mustafar.
The greatest thing separating Obi-Wan Kenobi in the history of the Jedi is his ability to rise to the moment. He draws extra strength from the light side of the Force at the most crucial moments.
Nice editing with the merging of Maul's strike from his final and first battle with obi.
Despite Obi-Wan having a fairly average connection to the Force at first as a Padawan, he learned to channel the Force in ways other Jedi could only dream of. This is apparent in the novels especially. Obi-Wan would open himself completely to the light side and let it completely flow through him and guide his actions. He would become the literal tool of the light side when he battled the Sith and the Force would always steer him in the correct direction and give him a chance to win. He was being used by the light side when he would open up to it and let it control him this way as it battled the machinations of Palpatine that corrupted and distorted the nature of the living Force and disrupted the cosmic Force. The Force struck back through Obi-Wan and later, through Anakin overthrowing the Emperor in the 2nd. Death Star.
It's been multiple years since I've checked this channel and you STILL repeat yourself multiple times... love it
Love the suspense music you put sometimes in your videos while narrating, very cool
Well Obi-Wan did practice Soresu to an insanely high level. any lightsaber form like any martial art taken to a high level will go far.
Now I'm a subscriber to the channel! And as for the video from EARLIER today, would LOVE to see more from the legends continuity that is Knights of the Old Republic and earlier.
Gosh I really like these info videos so much!! Always so cool to learn something new.
4:37 this beautiful transition deserves a mention! Nicely done.
Master Kenobi was just like mentioned on the video,unconcerned with the dark side and ready to go head to head with the chosen one.
My personal favorite Jedi!
Thanks as per usual brother 🤙
Great video love this perspective.
Just don't see how anyone can consider Obi-Wan an 'average' Jedi. He may not have the most raw ability but he trained and immersed himself so much in the Force that he became more powerful than most. I liken it to an athlete that doesn't have the most raw ability but becomes one of the best at their sport.
Plus, he was widely acknowledged as THE master in his lightsaber form.
I think that’s mostly because of his portrayal in the Clone Wars show. Feloni is creative but he kind of made Kenobi, and to a lesser extent Dooku, made to look more like an underdog during fights, more than in previous portrayals anyway.
Actually Grievous is the biggest victim of that, but the point still stands.
Not sure I really agree with Obi-Wan not holding back when in battle like stated after 4:25. Just finished reading the Revenge of the Sith Novel by Matthew Stover, and in their duel there, Anakin actually states that he can see Obiwan holding back because of the weakness of his attachment to him (ironic), and Obi-Wan admits this to be the case.
I love your videos, great job man!
EXCELLENT VIDEO AND EXPLANATION!!
Obi was an insane duelist. He may not of had the force as much be he knew the tools he had and man did he use them.
Obi-Wan became a singular purpose wielder of The Light. Pure in purpose. That’s how he beat Vader twice in ten years.
Well it is said by Sidious Vader was weakened by conflict and Obi mainly got the upperhand once he damaged Vaders chest panel which is a weak spot
And in the Mustafar fight Anakin was always winning till he made a dumb move at end.
@@newhybrid101 no need to argue. They are Kenobi fanboys
@@malharjaggi Kenobi is literally that good it’s what happened
@@LeeLonnieLove it was Jedi master who was responsible for the creation of Darth Vader. Kenobi was himself amateur.
@@malharjaggi Kenobi beat the chosen one and those other guys regardless
The way Sidious talks about Obi-Wan makes me wonder if most Sith are actually evil or just upset with the way the Jedi council were doing things.
In the novel Obi-Wan separates himself from the Jedi even more than he does in the film, you can see glimpses of it in some of his dialogue, in response to Grievous boasting about Count Dooku's training Obi-Wan responded "that's good because I trained the Jedi who KILLED Count Dooku!" it's the rawest line in Star Wars but not very Jedi like.
awesome video and analysis
There was nothing average about Obi-Won. He's one of the best Jedi of all time.
I agree , Two Sheds!!!
Not one of, the best
Other than his Midichlorian count and Force sensitivity.
@@dominickeijzer5844 did it matter tho he ragdolled Vader and then sliced maul up
All he did in his life was fighting sith Lords and he improved each time. His whole fighting style and force abilities where tuned to combat sith Lords like Vader. He never could directly beat them but he could hold out long enough until they became overeager and made a mistake. And they always did ....
Instead of the force, Obi wan is “THE MASTER” of high ground, form III and trolling. High Ground and trolling will aid him.
Very intresting topic is this. Thank you.
What a showdown. I still to this day love watching this go down over and over again.
Obiwan was probably the best jedi of his age . If only he was more powerful. The fact that it took so long for paps to recognize him as a threat goes to show like was right . “ your overconfidence is your weakness “
I love the writing in eps 1- 6 ( y'know, the actual SW movies ) and how the lightsabre forms are so important. Obi Wan became a master of the defensive style Soresu, after seeing Qui Gon lose to an opponent of overwhelming aggression. He honed that style during the Clone Wars until he was THE master of Soresu, being able to defend against even the fiercest of duellists, and take them out the moment they made a mistake.
He trained, and fought alongside Anakin, gaining an understanding of Anakin's moves that no one else could have. Anakin was notorious for going in to a fight as hard as possible, using strength aggression and willpower to dominate. Soresu is the perfect counter style to this.
So by everyone's estimate, the fight on Mustafar was going to be impossible for Obi Wan to win, but he knew that if he stuck to his style and used his experience, he could. F*cking awesome.
The best star wars related video I've seen.
Great analysis :D As always :) I agree with you. And what Sidious thought. Obi-Wan deserved complete respect. Because of everything. His duel with Anakin was epic. But also great sorrow. Obi-wan fought with vigor and determination not seen or rarely seen in a Jedi. Looking forward for the next holocron. May the Force be with you too :)
Obiwan is probably the most under rated and under appreciated Jedi among his peers in history. The level of strength he had was considered very mediocre among Jedi masters, yet he probably had the most impressive resume of victorys during the clone wars of any Jedi aside maybe Anikan, so the only Jedi that can hold up to Obiwan's achievements during the biggest conflict of his generation was his own Padawan, and the prophesied chosen one of the Jedi order itself. At least until Windu defeated Sidious. Yes Mace died and Sidious lived, but Mace absolutely won that battle.
I agree
Anakin said he was ss skilled as master windu with a saber and as wise as yoda. That doesn't seem like he's underestimated.
in tems of force prowess he was mediocre but during his fight with maul something changed within him, during rots there were moments where he became one with the force. essentially invincible in a way
Actually his Jedi comrades had a lot of respect for Obi Wan and actually thought he was literally unkillable because of his mastery in form 3
@@UNCLE_GARY In terms of Duelling only, I doubt there were many Force Users who would be able to kill Obi-Wan due to his proficiency in Soresu. I'm certain even Sidious would struggle to defeat Kenobi in a Lightsaber duel. The only thing which Kenobi lacked which Maul and Dooku exploited many times was his strength in the Force, which was just average. Yet despite that, he still proved difficult to deal with. Kenobi's endurance was also off the charts too, as was his stamina. Kenobi's duel with both Maul and Savage showed that. Other than Yoda, Windu and Anakin, I highly doubt any other Jedi would have survived that encounter, let alone dismembering Savage's arm, Kenobi's other speciality.
outstanding analysis... gonna share with a Jedi friend in cali... he will probably love it too... he talked me into watching the Kenobe series which was kick@ss!!!!!!
Great analysis.
“He believed he could defeat Anakin Skywalker- because he had to.”
That hit different
You've summed that up perfectly. The Jedi in the years leading up to the clone had become complacent, believing they were always right they would always win because the sith had always at some point been defeated. It was this dogmatic arrogance that lead to Ashoka being wrongfully accused of terrorism (and ultimately leaving the order), how Palpatine amassed so much power to the point he was near untouchable, and the worst keeping Anakin at arms length instead of maybe helping/guiding him better (Obiwan not included in this indictment) ultimately leading him going off the deep end and becoming Vader. Can't entirely blame Qui gon for a bit more pragmatic stance and role within the order
Wow good video. I never thought of that aspect about obi wan.
You are without a doubt, the busiest youtuber ever. If I don't click on your video immediately, I can count on my notifications informing me that I lost it 2 hours later, because I was working, or just had to do something else. Great video. Thanks. Looking forward to watching your last video. When I say "last", I mean watching the one that I missed, while you released another one.
Another excellent video. I like the idea of obi wan, average jedi master with spectacular power that comes from his purity of purpose. Do you think that this can also apply to the obi wan in the recent series? I think it is powerful that he has defeated vader on three occasions now, on mustafar, when meeting him again in obi wan series, and then finally when he allows himself to be struck down on the death star. I think another confrontation between obi wan and anakin is not needed. I hope they keep it at these three. I think it is quite perfect now as it is.
I think that’s a great point. The Jedi were too afraid of being corrupted by the dark side to pull the trigger (use their power to hunt them with, or kill them) they could have but they didn’t. Palpetine had no qualms about that. Perfect example of the saying nice guys never finish first?
1:13 i love this attack stance of Kenobee
Fascinating.
I’m sure ol Ben would be thrilled to hear of Palpatines secret admiration
Palpatine underestimated Obi-Wan the whole way. He thought Grevious would kill him and was surprised that Obi-Wan defeated grevious. Obi-Wan also had a oneness with the force. Obi-Wan was conflicted during the battle, but allowed himself to fully emerge himself in the force and acted as a conduit rather than a battery.
It always surprised me , kenobi defeated darth maul , and survived dooku and defeated general grievous. And he trained anakin and was the most successful jedi of the period. The hero of the republic ( with anakin) and he had experience, and kenobi at that point was far more powerful and experienced than he was on naboo.
Yes but as Yoda said strong enough to defeat the sith you are not. Only Mace & yoda 1 on 1 had a chance vs papaltine
Obi wan would have lasted longer then the 3 Jedi he killed in 10 seconds but only a few mins at best sidous could kill wo even using a light saber with just the force itself Obi was has always been Vader/anakins krypton
@@michaeltabor9596 kinda, only Yoda was capable of beating studious, not even mace he was pretending when he lost to him as he smiles when Anakin turns and cuts mace's arm off. Kenobi was #3 in all of the Jedi while in ANH he was at studious' level this has been confirmed by George himself which is also hinted at at the end of Kenobi series when he beats Vader.
In terms of what a Jedi is supposed to be(skills, record, etc), obi wan is probably one of if not THE best Jedi in history. And him being weak in the force makes him even better
@@michaeltabor9596 would last a bit longer than maul
@@yellowflash511 Obi-Wan was at Palpatine's level in A New Hope?
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Great video
I think count dooku has a grandfather perspective towards obi wan as he’s his students student he definitely carried on his spirit of refinement to his mastery of the defensive style
Actually it was his masters defeat that changed him dooku was a unique form 2 practicor
A small handful have floated the what if Obi-wan had been sent to fight Sidious, and Yoda instead had gone to confront Anakin. It's an interesting idea, since Obi-wan at this point in time was at the top of his game, and was the pure master of defense which may well have given him more than a fair chance against Sidious. Obi-wan going to confront Anakin was done based on emotion more than anything else, and Yoda thinks he as an old master of the order must be the one to confront Sidious betraying a bit of pride. But I think Yoda might have stood a good chance of getting through to Anakin, rather than Obi-wan who IMMEDIATELY set Anakin off because Obi-wan was too personally involved and close to the problem, whereas Yoda even as a council member even toward Anakin had always been a truly neutral and understanding party, he was the one Anakin went to seek low key help with the visions he was having, I do think he might have been able to abort Anakin's fall.
This is actually one of the most insightful and thoughtful breakdowns of the whole "Sith rising" problem I've seen yet.
I agree and yes he does!
Although I agree, with Obi-wan breaking free of the dogma and focusing on his one goal, there’s one objective detail Palpatine is forgetting… Obi-wan had the high ground!
I do think tht Obi Wan was more thn just an average Jedi. At least I could hve sworn hearing from other fans tht Obi Wan’s force abilities and skills with a lightsaber placed Obi Wan on a whole another platform in the Jedi order making him either the most powerful Jedi on the council or one of the most powerful. Also let’s not forget tht being council member immediately makes u more thn just an average Jedi.
The fall of the Jedi summed up in a quote:
"Peace has cost you your strength; victory has defeated you."
I think the greatest Power of the Power Is how Much focus and effort One can put
I'm more impressed with Kenobi's plot armor lasting to old age, tbh.
I love how obi wan represented wisdom resilience and refinement vs anakin who represented raw talent power and determination.
meanwhile mace windu in the background "He's too powerful to be left alive" XD
“I have plans Kenobi, and you will not stand in my way this time”
palpatine underestimated kenobi he defeated maul as a padawan and defeated general grievious AHEM and defeated anakin at his fp with no sweat and he did that bc anakin doesnt have patience he knew that if he told him not to try it anakin will he guaranteed his win from the first place bc he knew all of anakin's moves and palpatine should've thought of kenobi
“With no sweat” 😂😂😂 while they fight on lava
Nope, describing Obi-Wans connection to the force average at best is just ignorant. He had a very strong connection its just that Anikan as the choosen one was on a whole nother level as he was compared to literally everyone.
Anakin was just potential
No it's canon or was that he barely had enough to be trained/knighted he became that good by learning to efficient and smart with what he had he had a smaller fuel tank of force energy at a time but he used it well like a prius. He had to work ten times harder to get where he was and it showed in his abilities.
Subbed with this video. Good one.
Awesome, thank you!
yes he deserves the respect Obi-Wan as he said will do what he must
Obi Wan is an S-tier jedi and one of the most powerful force users of that time. Not an average jedi master at all, he is one of the most powerful jedi masters, near unbeatable. There is a reason why the council sent him to deal with Grievous.
People seem to be under the misconception that just because Obi Wan's midiclorian count is relatively low (actually very high but low compared to Anakin, Yoda, Mace and Dooku) it means that he is weak and that his force connection is low. His force connection is incredibly high actually. It's IQ vs being smart. IQ doesn't mean much without knowledge and wisdom, and just because you have an IQ of 200 it doesn't mean that you can outsmart someone with an IQ of 160.
No matter how you look at it him defeating Anakin at Mustafar was legit. Just consider the amount of jedi who could survive against Anakin for more than a few seconds, then consider how many jedi who could survive the long and intense battle that Anakin and Obi Wan had, not to mention win. Barely anyone.
George Lucas has said that Obi Wan was more powerful than Vader in ANH.
Obi wan will always be my favorite Jedi. He’s the very definition of what it means to be a true Jedi. Makes the Disney + show even more disappointing. Growing up Obi wan was my fictional hero.