The tragedy of the original Shredder - TMNT comics

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  • @TheTurtleNexus
    @TheTurtleNexus  2 года назад +196

    Thanks for watching! What are your thoughts on this Shredder?

    • @lucasgibbs4050
      @lucasgibbs4050 2 года назад +8

      TTN, when do plan on doing a video on the original Baxter Stockman? (My thoughts are the OG Shredder are alright, pretty cool)

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  2 года назад +9

      @@lucasgibbs4050 Baxter is coming soon(ish).

    • @lucasgibbs4050
      @lucasgibbs4050 2 года назад +6

      @@TheTurtleNexus Ok. BTW, how does Shark Shreddernado sound?

    • @The_Nighttime_Ninja
      @The_Nighttime_Ninja Год назад +3

      This Shredder was very twisted in more was than one.

    • @lucasgibbs4050
      @lucasgibbs4050 Год назад +3

      I’d like to see the story on how he became The Shredder in-universe.

  • @Diggy22
    @Diggy22 Год назад +1396

    After watching this, it makes me appreciate the 1990 TMNT movie even more. It was a solid blend of the original comic and the cartoon.

    • @SithCats
      @SithCats Год назад +95

      That movie is and remains incredible.

    • @coyotestylepro1150
      @coyotestylepro1150 Год назад +15

      ​@@SithCats💯

    • @benjaminpeters6729
      @benjaminpeters6729 Год назад +18

      Imagine if they adapted this 1 to 1

    • @kstark321
      @kstark321 Год назад +5

      I was thinking the exact same thing.

    • @captainmartin1219
      @captainmartin1219 Год назад +47

      The crazy thing is the original film is still the best film after all these years.

  • @Trim1013
    @Trim1013 Год назад +372

    I really like the idea of Shredder’s backstory. He isn’t directly intertwined with Hamato Yoshi but still ended up hating him because of his backstory. That’s not really something you see with villains. Like he wasn’t even there but it still affected him in a way.

    • @historicflame972
      @historicflame972 Год назад +8

      Huh, it happens a lot wym

    • @starnblack09
      @starnblack09 11 месяцев назад +1

      No, he means like the shredder is not like related or directly related to each other, but this is different

  • @The-P-iz-Free
    @The-P-iz-Free 2 года назад +797

    Gotta love that tmnt is one big cycle of vengeance..atleast the mirage run

    • @pal8698
      @pal8698 2 года назад +19

      2012 too

    • @8ball180
      @8ball180 2 года назад +29

      @@pal8698 it's more of rivalry there

    • @pal8698
      @pal8698 Год назад +21

      @@8ball180 then both vengeance and rivalry

    • @MrBlack-wt5er
      @MrBlack-wt5er Год назад +15

      The vengeance trilogy

    • @milesbradshaw6643
      @milesbradshaw6643 Год назад +16

      And the 2003 series

  • @johntuel2375
    @johntuel2375 2 года назад +657

    All that because a dude got killed for being a home wrecker.
    As a person that was introduced to the turtles via the 80s cartoon, I keep forgetting how grim the original comics were.
    The Last Ronin was a great run too.

    • @redcoonie5114
      @redcoonie5114 Год назад +38

      unless you mean a literal home wrecker, I don't think Tang Shen getting her face beat into ground beef is grounds for her to be considered cheating on Yoshi

    • @Robd07
      @Robd07 Год назад +12

      saki woman wasnt giving it up! He was just a murderer

    • @thecomedian5933
      @thecomedian5933 Год назад +16

      Shen was never with Nagi. The only "home wreckers" in this situation was the Oruku's.

    • @Elemento0420
      @Elemento0420 Год назад

      More like because an incel couldn't take no for an answer and move on.

    • @cloudsombrero
      @cloudsombrero Год назад +2

      last ronin was insane

  • @recruitlegionarymars3119
    @recruitlegionarymars3119 2 года назад +815

    I wish they actually incorporate Oroku Nagi in some media, would be amazing to see a more sympathetic shredder

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +25

      I do as well

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 2 года назад +32

      Yeah because he only appeared in the 87 TMNT series and he’s not dead

    • @sonnywoods6846
      @sonnywoods6846 2 года назад +57

      I think this shredder needs a redemtion arch since it all started because of his brother and not him

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +36

      @@srstriker6420 oroku nagi wasn't in the 87 cartoon he was given an original brother
      Kazuo Saki and in the 2003 show oroku nagi was replaced with an orphan friend to hamato yoshi who had no ties to orroku saki and is a adopted son of the ancient one an acolyte of the utrom guardians, Yukio Mashimi because oroku saki is an identity shared by chrell utrom shredder and the guardian demon shredder. nagi is only a mirage exclusive character and only appears in the 1990 comic book adaptation and tales of the tmnt as a ghost where as oroku nagi and orroku saki are combined into a single incel shredder in the 1990 film and 2012 show incarnation

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +9

      @@sonnywoods6846 he's getting one in the idw continuity but the mirage shredder mirage karai mirage hamato yoshi mirage tang shen mirage orroku nagi mirage tang amai and the mirage foot clan needs more development.

  • @supersmashbro596
    @supersmashbro596 2 года назад +339

    ironically the first is the least evil, as his motivation, despite being about revenge, is still sympathetic.
    i dont think nagi was brought up again.

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  2 года назад +53

      Nagi was brought up again (from the Afterlife), but I will do a different video for that.

    • @Ghostguy693
      @Ghostguy693 Год назад +6

      ​@@TheTurtleNexusLate response ik but I think they meant he was never mentioned in subsequent adaptations

  • @travisowen8841
    @travisowen8841 2 года назад +421

    Dude, the story of Shredder would make a great movie for an adult audience. Especially now as comic book adaptations are taken more seriously and have big budgets.

    • @Collectingmythoughts
      @Collectingmythoughts Год назад +41

      Unfortunately they won’t do it because they’re too busy of wanting to cater to The older fans who grew up with the 87 cartoon which I really wish that they would move on from because We haven’t gotten a darker Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film Since the 1990 movie Plus the shredder in the original film was more serious compared to the animated counterpart even a 2003 ninja turtles cartoon was dark as well I don’t understand why they still continue to want to make the turtles light hearted we need a more darker version of the shredder and the turtles back again hell we need them to be brought back to their dark roots period.

    • @ArticWolfv
      @ArticWolfv Год назад +25

      they would turn the shredder into a 500 pound black woman from Miyazaki. the turtles would all become generic white dudes name bob and jim, and the hero would be the shreader without any of the awesome that was in the comics.

    • @thecomedian5933
      @thecomedian5933 Год назад +24

      And the studios would ruin it. They would prolly make Casey Jones gay. They would make April O'Neil a "girl boss" who would be an overweight narcissistic black lesbian who is somehow the toughest character in the whole movie. And the turtles would be weak, feeble and stupid who trip over their own feet and only win by complete accident/coincident.
      Thats Hollywood these days.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Год назад

      ​@@Collectingmythoughts eh, the 03 show could be pretty ridiculous at times.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Год назад +2

      ​@@thecomedian5933 not quite.

  • @garreswe
    @garreswe Год назад +131

    I get the feeling that people liked Shredder so much that they made up the worm story to please the fans. That story is pretty ridiculous tbh, they could have decided he had another twin brother, cousin or something like that to bring him back. I really like the first original Shredder, too bad he died so fast.

    • @Albino_Basilisk
      @Albino_Basilisk Год назад +20

      Or they could’ve resurrected him through some cultish foot clan way. Like how the Hand does from marvel, which The Foot are based on

    • @sgauden02
      @sgauden02 8 месяцев назад +4

      Or they could've have just made it so the Shredder didn't actually die.

  • @nathanieltheoneandonly5933
    @nathanieltheoneandonly5933 Год назад +82

    One of the Deadliest comic book villains, inspired by a cheese grater....

  • @deebojordan7406
    @deebojordan7406 Год назад +135

    The closest they ever came to re-telling the original story was the original movie.

    • @iancruz6617
      @iancruz6617 Год назад

      Couch tmnt 2003 couch but then you probably too busy being stock in the 80's that you actualled wasted decades on a important moment of era that surprisingly you fools even made it in the 2000

    • @Jaymaxair
      @Jaymaxair Год назад +2

      ​@@iancruz6617The TMNT 2012 animated series takes inspiration from the story as well.

    • @FloatingKites2422
      @FloatingKites2422 Год назад

      The movie is not going to be taken seriously with any Shredder story. They adapted some elements from the comic but its just too silly to have the grim feeling

  • @loboloco3425
    @loboloco3425 Год назад +137

    I can definitely see the elements that were adapted into 2003 TMNT in this story, it's quite interesting.

    • @bragnir
      @bragnir Год назад +10

      It's surprising how much 2003 adapted into it, despite how far 1988 had gone from the comics. I'd never read them, so my original thought back when I watched the 2033 run was that they'd adapted the movie.... Boy, was I wrong.

    • @daleshelden8394
      @daleshelden8394 Год назад

      2003 tmnt sucks!

    • @bragnir
      @bragnir Год назад +10

      @@daleshelden8394 What, do you prefer the '89 version?

    • @daleshelden8394
      @daleshelden8394 Год назад

      @@bragnir 84 to 89

    • @gurvmlk
      @gurvmlk Год назад +1

      @@bragnir Heck, I was originally turned away from the 2003 version because of how different it was, having only ever known the cartoons and movies. I had known comics existed as a kid, but considering the only comic book I ever owned was literally just an adaption of the cartoon's entire first season, I grew up assuming they were one in the same.

  • @Nevict
    @Nevict Год назад +135

    This old version of Shredder felt more compelling and relatable compared to the more recent ones. I liked it.

    • @baconeggcheesepodcast9390
      @baconeggcheesepodcast9390 Год назад +4

      Why you say that what’s the difference between the shredders

    • @misterboxhead3045
      @misterboxhead3045 Год назад +5

      ​@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390is that the one from 1987 is the superior, the 2003 is edgy, the one from 2012 look like he has cancer and from rise is more of an beast

    • @blacksmoke6292
      @blacksmoke6292 Год назад +9

      ​@@misterboxhead3045I definitely think the 2012 version was superior.

    • @FloatingKites2422
      @FloatingKites2422 Год назад +3

      ​​@@misterboxhead30451987 Shredder is the worst. Unless you are stuck in the past. Like most fans of that

    • @mitthrawnuruodo7517
      @mitthrawnuruodo7517 Год назад +2

      Sorry, but 2012 is the best Shredder, he hasn't cancer, he's is literally burnt

  • @bryanbarron3115
    @bryanbarron3115 Год назад +113

    We need an adaptation of TMNT based on the Mirage Comics

    • @sham00ly75
      @sham00ly75 Год назад +36

      the 2003 series is technically the most faithful to it in some plot points.

    • @matthewallred2166
      @matthewallred2166 Год назад +4

      I've seen rumors of a Netflix show but I don't know how true that is.

    • @eskanda3434
      @eskanda3434 Год назад +18

      the original 1990 movie adapted a LOT of the comics he mentions in this

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  Год назад +7

      There was a fake poster recently, but I have enough experience with AI art to tell it isn't real. A TMNT series would most likely show up at Paramount+ (and my understanding is that we are getting a show based on the new movie).

    • @eclisis5080
      @eclisis5080 Год назад +9

      That's what the 1989 movie was, everything that happpened in that first comic happened in the movie, except Raphael was jumped by the foot clan instead of Leonard, they killed shredder on a rooftop in the movie, etc, it was based on the comic

  • @lightheart5
    @lightheart5 Год назад +124

    Fun Fact: The Shredder was originally created to be the "Darth Vader" of TMNT.

    • @turnthepage8980
      @turnthepage8980 Год назад +15

      Literally. It's all in the mask

    • @BanishedSilentShadow3318
      @BanishedSilentShadow3318 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah I could see it with the mask

    • @Jackattack359
      @Jackattack359 2 месяца назад +2

      As if the line “This is your family, I am your father” didn’t already drive that home

  • @kizunadragon9
    @kizunadragon9 Год назад +27

    a lot of people didn't know at the time how close to the comics the 1st movie was.

  • @ashcan6
    @ashcan6 Год назад +45

    I found the real turtles in 1989, when I was in 5th grade. A local bookshop had a single dog eared copy of the collected first several issues; First Graphic Novels TMNT volume 1. I had leafed through it in the store and was mesmerized. I was already a big fan, and being a 10 year old kid, I thought the extra gore was just f$&king awesome. I carried that book around and showed all the other kids, especially the ones that said that the turtles were lame. I think I converted a few kids, at least. Thanks for the video.

    • @whyjnot420
      @whyjnot420 Год назад +2

      That sounds really familiar... only I was in 4th grade and the copy I got was new.

    • @cjthebeesknees
      @cjthebeesknees Год назад

      Those worth any $ nowadays?

    • @colliric
      @colliric Год назад

      I loved the original comics, the tv show AND the live action movie.
      They were all great in their own ways.

  • @spartanq7781
    @spartanq7781 Год назад +22

    That design is frigging badass. That has to best the best Shredder design ever. A lot of this was presented in the 1990 film making me appreciate it even further. It also makes me hate the subsequent movies since they dumbed everything down so badly.

    • @misterboxhead3045
      @misterboxhead3045 Год назад

      I start to realise that the word badass is very overused

  • @BlueProphet7
    @BlueProphet7 Год назад +63

    EXCELLENT video. I loved learning about a lot of lore I didn't have before.
    Question to ponder though - is it really tragic that Saki became the shredder and died? His brother was the original bad guy, and Yoshi killed him to save Nagi's victim. Saki chose to side with his brother despite the horrible thing he had done. Taking vengeance on someone who was justified in their actions isn't tragic, it's a decision to do wrong.
    Also, if the turtles had decided to break the cycle of vengeance (as they did when they left for a year), things only got worse. So the cycle seems to be unbreakable even if someone decides to turn their back to it.

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  Год назад +25

      The way I see it, Saki was born into an environment where he actually had to avenge his brother (Yoshi's actions went against the rules of the clan).

    • @pokerface4396
      @pokerface4396 Год назад +18

      It's not uncommon for relatives from the same criminal family to defend their kin no matter what kind of atrocity they committed. They also completely ignore or even blame their relatives' victims for forcing their hand/putting them in a bad light/surviving long enough to cause trouble.
      I mean, we have IRL relatives of mafia bosses demanding respect for their dad/grandpa and blaming the public for being judgemental or Yakuza pretending to be good guys because they look after the community (yeah, ignore the rapes, drug dens and extortion, they are just minor inconveniences).

    • @Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement
      @Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement Год назад +11

      ​@@TheTurtleNexus
      Saki was groomed and manipulated into becoming the Shredder because Nagi was a vile incel and the Foot clan only validated that bullshit mentality.

    • @BlueProphet7
      @BlueProphet7 Год назад +10

      @@TheTurtleNexus Absolutely, but then isn't the civilization or environment he was born into the real villain? The cycle of revenge that grew out of it is simply a symptom of that original belief structure.

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  Год назад +6

      @@BlueProphet7 You could say that, yes.

  • @Collectingmythoughts
    @Collectingmythoughts Год назад +202

    I really wish they would bring the turtles back to their dark roots it’s a shame how they are still continuing to make them light hearted We especially need this version of the shredder back too

    • @PurpleTreeFrogSmile
      @PurpleTreeFrogSmile Год назад +24

      Read the IDW run dude, sounds like it would be right up your alley

    • @Magnet_Chaos
      @Magnet_Chaos Год назад +29

      The comics have kept the dark tone.

    • @MackBoxing-MMA
      @MackBoxing-MMA Год назад +14

      I would definitely look forward to a “Dark Knight” feel to a live action movie

    • @Waywardpine
      @Waywardpine Год назад +14

      There’s gonna be Last Ronin game in the next few years

    • @Zhello79
      @Zhello79 Год назад +5

      You should look into tmnt Ronin 👍🏾

  • @Dekomata
    @Dekomata 2 года назад +45

    Now i know where they got the idea of shredder not staying dead in the 2003 series.
    Because the original shredder refused to stay dead. Despite being human rather than an utrom that can swap bodies if he felt like it. Plus the whole being revived by worms thing originated here, which is how 2003 shredder came back as well after a supposed death.

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  2 года назад +12

      But in the case of Ch'rell he was using those biocytes to heal. The original Shredder was eaten by the worms (and was already dead). But it could have been an easter egg now that I think of it.
      As for adaptations of this story, the original idea Eastman and Laird had for the movie trilogy, was that they were going to set up the Shredder's return in the second one, and adapt "Return to NY" in the third one. That would have adapted the worm Shredder story. I covered "Return to NY" in another video.

    • @Dekomata
      @Dekomata 2 года назад +6

      @@TheTurtleNexus
      I forgot that's how it went for ch'rell in the 2003 series. its been a while since i last saw the episodes that adapts some plotpoints of the mirage comics.
      And honestly, i would've prefered if that was how tmnt 2 was like. Rather than an original story that made everyone more cartoony.

    • @autobotproductions1244
      @autobotproductions1244 2 года назад

      @@TheTurtleNexus that actually sounds pretty cool maybe we can get that for a film trilogy some day

    • @playerback7722
      @playerback7722 Год назад

      True

    • @user-sl6gn1ss8p
      @user-sl6gn1ss8p Год назад +1

      @@autobotproductions1244 an intro + return to ny + city at war trilogy would be great

  • @warrenbradford2597
    @warrenbradford2597 Год назад +69

    The endless cycle of revenge must have caught up with the Turtles in the Last Ronin. Michelangelo, who was ironically the last surviving Turtle in a distant future, committed seppuku himself after failing to end a robotic Shedder’s tyranny.

    • @Salik96
      @Salik96 Год назад +12

      Yeah but he survived and ended the cycle

  • @AlexAlex-er5ek
    @AlexAlex-er5ek Год назад +6

    This version of Shredder is so underrated. Apart from the fact that it is the version that gave birth to one of the best imaginary villains of all time, he is well structured as a character: a sympathetic backstory that however does not detract from his wickedness at all. Even its design is effective in its simplicity.
    It would be nice to see this story in a future TMNT adaptation, especially for the possible interactions and point-of-view confrontations Shredder would have with the Ninja Turtles. I mean, Shredder joined the Foot Clan to avenge his brother, and the Ninja Turtles are brothers who really care about each other. Such an emotional confrontation between them would be beautiful.
    Will you also make a video abut Mirage Shredder's possible daughter, Pimiko?

  • @nightbrand8016
    @nightbrand8016 Год назад +15

    All this sorcery makes me realize how cool it'd be to have a TMNT/Hellboy crossover

  • @thornescapes7707
    @thornescapes7707 Год назад +6

    Wow. I remember reading the comic involving Worm Shredder, but I had no idea that it kept going after that. I suppose there was interest in him because the kiddie TMNT show made such a big deal of the short lived character.

  • @Darksnovia
    @Darksnovia 2 года назад +16

    Your channel is the best channel when it comes to TMNT lore this version of the shredder story is fascinating.

  • @Gabrhil
    @Gabrhil Год назад +7

    Huh. Even as a kid, the whole "Utrom Shredder" form the '03 series seemed kind of silly, but by comparison, it doesn't seem so bad

  • @scattered_ii7389
    @scattered_ii7389 Год назад +7

    I had no Idea TMNT was THAT cool. I just remember the movies and animated series.
    That is dope AF. And your presentation of it was excellent!

  • @tjbjjtkd
    @tjbjjtkd Год назад +8

    I love how TMNT comics get more bizarre!

  • @MasamuneChad
    @MasamuneChad Год назад +5

    This is why I love the 1990 film so much. It's accuracy to the source compared to others afterwards.

  • @JamiesonHorton
    @JamiesonHorton Год назад +16

    Shredder's original character design remains my favorite; I think it's the most sinister, and his anatomy the most realistic. Is there an action figure that closely resembles this?

  • @clion520
    @clion520 Год назад +2

    This was a great watch, thank you

  • @Tue_
    @Tue_ Год назад +9

    The cartoon goes off a bender, but that comic quite litterally jumps the shark with how far off it goes.

  • @sieman78
    @sieman78 Год назад +2

    Well, you earned my respect and subscription on this one. The old school G1 TMNT gets slept on, I wish there was more modern media based off that timeline, at least we got that Last Ronin game coming to represent that more gritty style of the old days. Well done.

  • @canofsoda
    @canofsoda 2 года назад +8

    so surprised i found this in my recommended and thankful too because this was sick

  • @NitroNEXT
    @NitroNEXT Год назад

    Impeccable presentation. If you had told me this was an official channel I'd have believed it.

  • @entheo302
    @entheo302 Год назад +2

    Kevin Eastman grew up down the street from my junior high. He actually did some of the murals in the hall. Got an autographed issue 1 reissue from my dad that he had a friend of a friend who was related got him to sign when I was a kid. Wish I hung on to that!

  • @dr.j1416
    @dr.j1416 Год назад +1

    I love this origin story of The Shredder! Please make more videos of the TMNT villains! I love to know more origin stories on both the heroes and villains of the TMNT saga.

  • @DonHec
    @DonHec 2 года назад +17

    Maaaan why isn’t there a Rated R live adaptation of this? 🔥🔥🔥

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +9

      I've been saying this for years but no they wanna keep remaking the 87 fred wolf cartoon and 1990 movie

    • @8ball180
      @8ball180 2 года назад +1

      Because the story has already been told too many times

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +1

      @@8ball180 actually it hasn't they wanted the mutagen gimmick characters like super shredder bebop and rocksteady or tokka and rhazar krang and the technodrome or gave the turtles original boring villains like tatsu who never existed in the mirage books as shredders right hand man a Portuguese British colonial guesuit Niles and the shogun lord norinaga or the immortal max winters the aztec stone warriors with karai lead foot clan assisting them capturing 13 cryptids and the 1990 film trilogy choose bits and pieces what to adapt from the classic mirage comics like parts of the tcri saga and turtles crossover with cerebus renet and savanti romero combined with the 87 cartoon playmates toys elements to make a coherent stream line film parts of issue one parts of raphael & leonardo micro series one shot and parts of the Massachusetts retreat and return to New York saga and swapped it out with Raphael as the focal piece main protagonist and the most developed out of all the ninja turtles in the 1990 film and swapped out leo being ambushed by the foot minus shredder showing up with Raphael which got adapted in 2003 and 2012 cartoons but the turtles actually killed shredder in issue 1 and he was ressurected with cloning technology and dark magic off panel where as the films skipped those blood soaked gruesome elements and nerfed the turtles from being killers and had splinter lay the killing blow after shredder held leonardo hostage. They never did baxter stockman justice and Tyler perry didn't add anything to the role or was given enough material to work with cause people wanted the 1987 cartoon as a live action adaptation rather than the original comic book incarnation second the movies were also trying to be like the idw incarnations with rewrites from the alien twist reimagining because the turtles were hinted at being lab experiments like the idw books rather than the shared blind man crossing the street almost struck down by a truck carrying radioactive waste materials daredevil origin

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +2

      @@8ball180 for the most part the 1987 cartoon has been milked to death

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад

      @@8ball180 the purple dragons were never in film a proper baxter stockman in live action with his mouser robots and the computer programmer engineer april they usually make her the news reporter incarnation from the 87 cartoon or age her down to be a teen orroku nagi orroku saki older brother was never used in any incarnation hammato yoshi and tang shen hasn't really been on film and the movies choose not to adapt the shared daredevil / tcri canister truck accident origin because of high budget action sequence or marvel might sue and the tmnt utrom fugitoid triceraton saga was never on film

  • @jagtaggart936
    @jagtaggart936 Год назад +3

    While there were changes, I love how respectful the movie was of the source material.

  • @Dominic-xp9rv
    @Dominic-xp9rv Год назад

    Dude I do not remember this video being so popular. Congrats

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  Год назад +1

      RUclips took it for a ride this past week!

  • @jameslarsen1728
    @jameslarsen1728 Год назад

    This is what started my love for comics and graphic novels along with manga

  • @jamesmoss3424
    @jamesmoss3424 2 года назад +15

    The Shredder is the ultimate evil for the turtles of all time.

  • @randallfallin1423
    @randallfallin1423 Год назад +1

    i love how the revenge cycle last all the way to last ronin, with mikey fulfilling what splinter trained them for

  • @misterbrady100
    @misterbrady100 Год назад +3

    Back in the day, I only knew TMNT from the cartoons. While they were cool enough, I didn't even want to read the comics because I thought they would not be good. I was clearly wrong.

    • @iceonthesun8880
      @iceonthesun8880 Год назад +1

      I only ever got my hands on one issue back then....and all I remember is how cool the artwork was

  • @Rockmanbalboa
    @Rockmanbalboa 2 года назад +18

    I feel that they would have done this shredder return if the 2007 TMNT movie had a sequel.

  • @anthonybalista7421
    @anthonybalista7421 Год назад +2

    I had no idea the origins went THIS deep and I’ve been a turtles fan since I was 3.

  • @ВладЛорріс
    @ВладЛорріс 2 месяца назад +1

    This character is dark, charismatic and dangerous - i love him!

  • @Marcara081
    @Marcara081 Год назад +1

    The reason TMNT is popular generation after generation is because it's fundamentally about brotherhood and fatherhood, as the OG film rightly focuses on. Young boys are so starved for it that they gravitate towards any father figure and brotherhood they can find, even the gang leader Shredder and his foot clan.
    Shredder: "Money cannot buy the honor you have earned tonight; you make us all proud. Only effort, discipline, loyalty earn the right to wear the dragon doji. You are here because the outside world rejects you. This is your family. I am your father.''
    This warned young men that the right message can come from the wrong people. So just because you find a group of like-minded people doesn't mean you form a healthy community nor a replacement for a true father.
    Casey Jones: ''You call this, here, and that, down there, a family?''
    Casey Jones, after saving the turtles and being adopted into their family, rescues the father (Splinter). He shows the foot clan real family - not blood but love and sacrifice. It HAD to be Casey too. It's part of the film's message. He also saves Splinter with his narrative counterpart, Danny, as they both learn the right lesson in the end and Danny is redeemed. Danny also returns to his father as more of a man (''It's Dan, dad.'') and they reconcile. Danny left because his father was weak. Now Danny will help his father with his father's own weakness, showing Dan's maturity. Rather than resenting his father not meeting his expectations, Dan can help his father rise to Dan's expectations of him. They will grow together and so you have the final lesson of the movie: THIS is what it means to be a family.
    Honestly, this film is designed for young black men more than anyone. It should be shown in schools.

  • @milesbradshaw6643
    @milesbradshaw6643 Год назад +15

    The 2003 TMNT series really does take after the Mirage comics, The Shredder may be a mortal being, but his hatred is eternal.

  • @bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854
    @bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854 Год назад +7

    I would love an actually matured Ninja turtles movie that uses this story as a prologue

  • @thebrotherhoodisdumb
    @thebrotherhoodisdumb Год назад

    Holy crap your channel is awesome and deserves way more subs!!

  • @ArcCaravan
    @ArcCaravan Год назад +17

    I remember the 2003 TMNT show adapting the first Shredder return. That was great.

  • @nicholascooney
    @nicholascooney 3 месяца назад +1

    The 1990 Shredder really is the best version of this type of Shredder. No stupid worms, no Utrom alien. Just an evil martial arts master who wore a badass suit and fought the turtles.

  • @Short-N-sweetshorts2024
    @Short-N-sweetshorts2024 Год назад

    That’s it; been mulling around what my next art collage should be and I think it’s gonna be Shredder and the turtles!
    They were my favorite animated cartoon growing up in the 90s!

  • @bluenothing720
    @bluenothing720 Год назад

    Thanks so much for uploading!

  • @bigsmilie07
    @bigsmilie07 Год назад +1

    This definitely makes me appreciate the utron shredder so much more frfr

  • @mer171
    @mer171 Год назад +1

    There are just some things you can't unsee... TMNT!

  • @srstriker6420
    @srstriker6420 2 года назад +7

    5:16 I never see Donatello doing, but then this is the original turtles where they do kill and I know he does kill his Baxter Stockman which I would want to see a video the Mirage, 2003 and 1987.
    It’s a weird about the four arm baboon

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад

      Yeah he calls upon leonardo from different points in time to prevent him from dying

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад

      Donatello was the last ronin in mirage continuity

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +1

      Baxter stockman wasn't killed in mirage he escaped issue 2 and reappeared in vol.2 and taken by the u.s. government his human body was dead due to him removing his own brain and placing it into a cyborg body but he's still around 1987 baxter was a fly and 2003 baxter suffered the same fate as his mirage counterpart being a brain in a cyborg body only difference baxter wasn't a foot lackey

  • @unholyberserker6669
    @unholyberserker6669 Год назад +2

    I love explaning to people that tmnt has always been violent

  • @ArcTrooperRod-269
    @ArcTrooperRod-269 Год назад +2

    Good to see some love for tge great Mirage Era

  • @TheRealCanadianGeek
    @TheRealCanadianGeek Год назад

    That worm / shark / octopus part is beyond trippy!!

  • @molybdaen11
    @molybdaen11 2 года назад +9

    And that's why dark magic is forbidden.

    • @Lemuel928
      @Lemuel928 Год назад

      Demon Shredder was also forbidden.

  • @coryjkrum
    @coryjkrum Год назад

    I can't believe how close the original movie was to the comic, thanks for this. Shredder was no victim of violence though his brother was a monster who got taken out for doing bad things. Then he chose to be like his brother and become a monster too. It was his choice, he could have left it as it was knowing his brother died being dishonorable but he chose revenge witch led to his own demise. Imo👍🏾

  • @antwan1357
    @antwan1357 Год назад

    this went way higher then my expectations bravo.

  • @Kurt_Kaptan
    @Kurt_Kaptan Год назад +2

    Damn this is better than other versions. But more like a bizarre adventure.

  • @playerback7722
    @playerback7722 Год назад +4

    2003 and 2012 did that Leo beating very well.

  • @raulbetancourt5795
    @raulbetancourt5795 3 месяца назад

    When, you put it like this, Shredder comes out as a well written antagonist.

  • @gunsarrus7836
    @gunsarrus7836 Год назад +4

    I can see how the comics greatly influenced the live action movies of the 90's

  • @joebeach6289
    @joebeach6289 Год назад +1

    Dude what? I been a fan since the tv show in the 80s. I had no idea any of it was this dark

  • @TheSameGoobyGuy
    @TheSameGoobyGuy Год назад +1

    The shredder deserves the #1 spot in the top 10 most brutal deaths

  • @Morgil27
    @Morgil27 Год назад +3

    I find it odd that after all these years, Shredder's brother Nagi still hasn't been adapted in any other medium.

  • @pal8698
    @pal8698 2 года назад +23

    2012 shredder is the only animated shredder who's actually accurate to the mirage shredder
    like them being tragic characters and killing splinter
    and that 2012 oroku saki being the one instead of his brother who was jealous at splinter
    Was in my opinion a smart move
    this adds more personal drama which i really love
    thats why 2012 shredder will always stay the best animated shredder we had this far

    • @TheTurtleNexus
      @TheTurtleNexus  2 года назад +5

      I wouldn't rule out the versions that weren't loyal to the Mirage comics. Some adaptations of the Shredder were very well handled, and the most recent one had a very satisfying ending as well.
      But yes, the 2012 version managed to do the "cycle of vengeance" in a way that worked well for kids animation (it was done in a way that both Saki and Yoshi were victims, so they weren't the ones that started it). That was a very well thought decision.

    • @pal8698
      @pal8698 2 года назад +1

      ​@@TheTurtleNexus yep other then 2012 and the 1990 shredder
      i don't say that the other versions of the shredder are bad
      like you said there where well handled
      but it really gets under my skin when fans of other TMNT shows try to argue that the good parts of 2012 shredder where actually his bad parts
      which is a straight up lie

    • @elisabettaverre8793
      @elisabettaverre8793 2 года назад +4

      2003 Shredder is the most accurate in psychological term imho. He is cruel and seeks revenge in every possibile way. We see the man behind the mask in many occasion

    • @pal8698
      @pal8698 2 года назад +4

      @@elisabettaverre8793 fuck no he isn't
      Mirage and 2012 shredder are both tragic human characters that share a similiar backstorys
      2003 shredder is a generic saturday morning cartoon villian who has nothing better to do than to conquer the world
      Like how generic is that
      It isn't Bad tho
      2003 shredder is nothing like the mirage shredder

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад +4

      @@pal8698 actually 2003 shredder is accurate at parts they just changed shit around cause shredder was their most popular villain of the series also at the time they didn't want shredder to be a human who gets killed by the turtles brutally and then cloned and they wanted to make splinter more active than his mirage counterpart and make shredders near death and ressurection mysterious and make him scary and threatening than his less developed mirage counterpart

  • @psyxypher3881
    @psyxypher3881 Год назад +2

    Mirage Shredder might be unlucky, but I'm pretty sure his brother doesn't exist outside of Mirage.

  • @plasticweapon
    @plasticweapon Год назад

    when tragedy befalls you, don't let it drag you down - pete townshend

  • @stevehoade7867
    @stevehoade7867 Год назад +2

    As an old school fan, id love to see a dark hard R rated shedder film

  • @TheDarkKnight80
    @TheDarkKnight80 Год назад +7

    This got so weird so fast

  • @srstriker6420
    @srstriker6420 2 года назад +7

    7:11 this would have been cool for a 2003 episode maybe for the Fast Forward which I read that the Utrom Shredder was going appear in the cancelled season.
    Speaking of sharks 🦈 why not talk about Shredder pet sharks?

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад

      But shredder was never human ninja yakuza gangster in the modern age he was an ancient samurai who became corrupted by demons and died and was ressurected

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 2 года назад

      The 2003 show went in another direction and to get away with gore blood and violence they made shredder a utrom limited the turtles from using their weapons on humans only for blocking and killing robots

    • @BusinessOfFear
      @BusinessOfFear Год назад

      @@tyronleung5276 The original Shredder was human. The resurrection thing isn't canon to the Mirage Comics. That was only in the IDW run

  • @memelord7643
    @memelord7643 Год назад +2

    Tbh i know that some people seem to hate the fact that this series is kid freindly now but im glad that the adult comics are still being made

    • @Linklex7
      @Linklex7 Год назад

      Turtle fans don’t want to admit it but Ninja Turtles works best when it’s goofy and kid friendly. I love the original comics too, but let’s not act like that where their mainstream popularity came from

  • @JagoShogun
    @JagoShogun Год назад

    street-shark shredder is such a cool, complimenting design and I'm sad he hasn't made a return since.

  • @thuggeegaming659
    @thuggeegaming659 Год назад +3

    I knew about the original Shredder dying in the first issue for a long time, it's what motivated me to finally read the comics, and honestly the first issue is the best. The subsequent issues just weren't anywhere near as interesting. In a lot of ways, the comic Shredder, despite dying in the very issue he was introduced, is the most interesting and relatable. Even though he was murderous, and subsequently engaged in criminal activities, he was still somewhat relatable. Even though his brother's death was entirely Nagi's own fault, Saki wanting to avenge his brother's murder isn't completely unjustified, and a very human desire, irrespective of a person's moral character one way or another. It's a classic story about the cycle of revenge, Saki gets his revenge, but then is ultimately done in by another who seeks it for the same exact reasons.

  • @hunchoquon60
    @hunchoquon60 Год назад

    I honestly don’t even know how to feel about this 😢I’ll have to watch it again. Makes me feel like I don’t even know shredder like I thought

  • @justincaldwell3634
    @justincaldwell3634 Год назад

    "The shredder?"
    "Maybe all that hardware's for makin Cole slaw?"

  • @mattimusprimal637
    @mattimusprimal637 Год назад +8

    Wow! The 2012 TMNT's Shredder origin was very accurate to the original comics!

  • @gameinguy
    @gameinguy Год назад +1

    I would love to see an anime like adaptation that tries to be as faithful to the original comics as they can, both in story and artstyle.

  • @edjack1993
    @edjack1993 Год назад +1

    I’m not going to lie - this sounded like the rankings of a madman.

  • @bigwilly43729
    @bigwilly43729 Год назад

    Getting ahold of the first comic as a kid after watching the tv cartoon was jarring to say the least.

  • @kofmmbs
    @kofmmbs Год назад +2

    The one thing that all shredders have in common is that they are all agents of anger and revenge

  • @KeepaSkateboard
    @KeepaSkateboard Год назад

    Man all these characters and world building for a new TMMT fighting game 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @hdofu
    @hdofu Год назад

    I love how Turtles Forever featured him getting taken out in a single frame... like Wolf verse Shredder got more screen time.

  • @barrelrolldog
    @barrelrolldog Год назад

    the OG comics origin story is pretty epic and cool. Revenge story's all round. I had no idea shredder only lasted one issue. The worms stuff is so ridiculous it makes me feel like the other media was probably just as good as the OG comics, in that they all good and bad moments..

  • @drewlovelyhell4892
    @drewlovelyhell4892 Год назад +2

    Wow, seems like Eastman and Laird started taking some pretty strong drugs after Shredder was killed the first time.. 😮

  • @TylerAForti
    @TylerAForti 16 дней назад

    Wow, the 2003 TV show was fairly faithful to the Original. That's honestly cool

  • @SGOODYGANG
    @SGOODYGANG Год назад +1

    Like the Joker...We need a dark adultish Shredder origin film right after TMNT Ronin

  • @IAmWBeard
    @IAmWBeard Год назад +1

    I often forget just how kooky the tmnt comics are lol

  • @philthyphilsf
    @philthyphilsf Год назад

    I love how tmnt 2012 show uses most of the orgin story.

  • @Manhandle730
    @Manhandle730 Год назад

    Wow so this stuff actually happened?!?! That’s bananas!

  • @RJAmado
    @RJAmado Год назад +1

    I’ve always liked the original Shredder best, his storyline fits closer to martial art revenge movie lore.

  • @MrHousecup
    @MrHousecup Год назад +1

    I wonder what Nagi's relationship was like with his younger brother, Saki.

  • @lancehood7916
    @lancehood7916 Год назад +2

    Man this is a great story