"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church." Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
Also, we don't believe in predestination as Catholics anyway, so, yes, it is overly presumptuous to say anyone, on any matter or topic, is in anyway predestined to do or not do something.
Father, continue to preach the TRUTH. THE TRUTH HURTS do not slow down Let the Holy spirit continue to give you the wisdom, knowledge and courage to stand and speak the truth.
Thanks. I know while some will get on here, not listen to it, and spew hate, others will listen and will come to understand for the first time what the Church ACTUALLY says on this difficult topic
We preach about such things because if the direction of our country's policies don't change, we soon won't be able to address the issues of poverty, war, cancer, etc because our Church will be forced into the underground.
Father John Hollowell. Mister John Hollowell I’m a born again Christian and I believe that we need to evangelize gays and lesbian that the can be save by Jesus Christ. This issue is very important not to let them think that it is right because God create man and woman. Let them know wat the word of God say. Treated them with love and if they do not accept just pray for them. Prayers much prayers we need today. The entire world is going bad. Repent means come back to God. And do not follow ANY man teaching. Follow Jesus and study your bible.
Chris 1. Whether governments "CREATE those conditions," if you mean "create poverty, war, and the like," isn't the point. The point is that the Church is at risk of losing her voice on these issues; in other words, if you meant "creates the country's political course," then there's no clear disagreement between you. 2. Where does Fr. Hollowell seem to look up to politicians as gods and protectors?
Father John Hollowell Those of us in “progressive” cities are already underground. For an example of our local priests, please look up Fr Thomas Faucher sentenced 21Dec 2018. Many local “Catholics,” including Mayor Bieter, are still supporting Faucher! The nature of his crimes is Satanic and truly frightening. Bishop Christiansen said he feels “sad.” Do you call that leadership? If he cared about Catholics, he would be raining down fire and brimstone on predator priests who are on line looking for “children to rape and kill.” Everyone here is carrying on as though this is normal for them. I now realize the “child porn” is produced by priests and seminarians. They rape infants to death for fun, people. Let that sink in.
Thanks for putting your sermons up, father. You really raise the bar for a lot of the other novus ordo priests, and you're also giving the faithful what they so desperately need to stay grounded in that place of both truth and compassion. What you're sharing here is very helpful. I would hope this is shared to an adult group, though, as some families like to keep their younger children from hearing about "homosexuality" or even "same-sex attraction" until they're at an age where they can properly discuss these topics at home.
True. But Jesus picked some amazing sinners to lead and carry His message. So you have to put in context and add, "Those who knowingly sin are in trouble. There is hope for all because God's mercy endures forever. If one repents and changes, they have complete forgiveness."
Thank you for putting this out there. We have a young man in our family who has same sex attraction. Right now, he is immersed in the gay culture, so not following God’s laws. We are trying to reach him and bring him back to the church. Knowing that there are others like him in the church who are remaining celibate May make it easier for him to follow in their footsteps rather than the road to destructive that he is on right now.
My point is we know that sex in certain situations is wrong, but we try to mask our moral judgment towards such sex by saying "Oh, we don't like that stuff over there in the shadows because it is simply shady business. God forbid we actually say what we all know - namely that sex actually has a purpose and can be misused." We still hand out scarlet letters, they just look different.
Yes, in the Catholic Church all are welcome. Anyone who is in a state of mortal sin, however, should not receive the Eucharist - people who have murdered, adultery, premarital sex, etc.
I have never been able to confess my sins about homosexuality..raised like an orphan I always had to find my own way...the first time I sinned I was a teenager, I met a transgender who her/his look deceived me , I was very submissive to her/his demands ; except at each tries I couldn’t be penetrated; I felt something was wrong and pushed her/him away...I moved on and accepted the fact that Penetration was impossible....but continued with the touching until I turned 24 ...i was never attracted to it it was just my only way of release...it always been difficult for me to find a friend or a girlfriend growing up , but since 24 I realized it was never really what I desired or wanted ..I was lonely and couldn’t find love ...but I never stopped praying for Gods forgiveness..as I simply wish to find my own but the right way...this speech was very enlightening and along I decided to share my story and confess ...thank you..
you are right...Even for a heterosexual person, all of them have an attraction to a certain type of person: blonde hair, blue eyes, short, small, chunky, asian, etc. That attraction doesn't necessarily make it GOOD for you...if someone thinks they CANNOT LIVE without sex, then they have to look within themselves and see lust, not love.
We should love and care for them and not separate them from others....but it doesn't mean we cant rebuke their behavior,,,for if we don't their souls will perish,,,this is true love even Jesus rebuked evil for he loved us.
You have absolutely 100% missed the entire thesis of the homily. In fact, the thesis was completely the opposite of what you have stated. The thesis is that just because you are attracted to something or someone that DOES NOT mean you will act on it. The liberal media elites are the ones who say that human persons can't help but act on their attractions.
Life is unfair, especially those suffering from SSA. Either suffer the difficulty of never being able to consumate their urges, or give in to their disordered lusts and violate God's law. However, if they look deeply into themselves and figure out why they have these urges in the first place, they MAY be able to overcome them and live chaste, happy lives. I met a man a few years ago who overcame SSA and changed his orientation. He is now married and has a young child. God works in many ways
Look how fast all this changed, Now sodomitical marriage is the law of the land and many bishops are in favor of it. Our sins have eclipsed our intellect. We’re experiencing mass insanity
Thanks Father. I'm transsexual and am Catholic and celibate also. People in my situation are sometimes treated poorly in the church due to misinformation and fear. Your sermon was a breath of fresh air. I acknowledge I have an identity disorder and my cross gets heavy at times but I believe I can still be a good person. I did not choose my condition. Medical intervention did help me and have been living for over 30 years as a trans woman. I hope and pray Jesus has a place in heaven for me and people like me if I love Him and keep his commandments. God bless you and your ministry.
Coach Chris what do you think I've done for the last 30 years. This is my cross. God can use it for my salvation and for others. We judge by the outside God sees the child within and the circumstances that make us the way we are.
@bernice canty May I ask you a rather personal question. Were you either abused (in any form, physical, verbal, sexual) or molested when you were young? It is genuinely for my curiousity, not to attack you.
God Bless you Father. Thank you for showing us that book, 'Faith at the Edge.' Just wonderful. I have adult children who question me and are troubled because they know people who struggle with this. They worry about their souls. What does the Catholic church teach on this subject? All I could answer is, "It is a mortal sin to engage in any sexual perversion because it violates the 6th Commandment of God, Adultery." But I did not realize that there is a distinction, and we have to be careful. So now I know! Father gave us this EXCELLENT homily. Same Sex Attraction (SSA) is NOT a sin!!!! One is still intact and chaste. This is all important. There is a distinction between the "attraction" and the "act." The mortal "sin" against the 6th commandment is acting on the attraction and actually physically engaging. Unlike Protestant public "leaders," the Catholic church does NOT condemn anyone who struggles with SSA. This is a misconception. We see the root cause of anger and despair by those who struggle with this towards Christianity at large, but this ERROR is coming from Protestants, not Catholics!!! But just because the Catholic church does NOT condemn SSA, does NOT mean its OK to engage and act on those feelings! Its a temptation from the ancient enemy. A test of our will. He is correct. Jesus said "I give you My Commandments and if you keep my commandments you will remain in my love and these commandments lead to your joy." It is very simple. Just don't ACT on it. If you do, be sure to CONFESS this mortal sin right away and sin no more. Make amends. Do penance. AND NEVER receive our Lord in the Holy Eucharist if one is in a state of mortal sin!!!! Confession of all sin FIRST for purification! Follow God's laws and you can't go wrong! What is so hard about that? Its not. We are human and very fallible. All of us share that weakness. So, bottom line, Christ Himself by His will thru the Catholic church, provides the remedy. No other institution on earth is authorized to provide this directly from our Lord. There is only one, true, holy and apostolic Church of Christ and it is the Catholic Church!
Kathleen Ann, I prefer to believe in the natural innate goodness of human nature. The Catholic God murdered his son after torturing him, bad role modelling, a complete lack of morals. Fuck your God, I am pleased he is just a figment of your imagination.
@@lynnebarnes6849 whatever teaches you or compells you to speak like that obviously isnt working lol. I sense no good nature in what u said, only anger and frustration.
@@turnip881 speak like what ? A rational person who requires evidence for such outrageous and immoral fantasies. I believe in the natural and innate goodness most humans have. I would be very unhappy and stressed if I thought that nasty sadistic fiction about the Christian god were true. I am very happy with my long and fulfilled life, because I have grown up and I am not fooling myself or anyone else. I would never be so morally bankrupt to scare my grandchildren with such foolish and cruel stories and anyone who did would feel MY wrath.
I’m living in a time where they are demonizing heterosexual men.. they are cast aside like they are wrong ; violent ; or selfish...I grew up in NY and I have never seen anything like it...no matter how humble or noble you are...they have completely rejected heterosexual no do they accept it as a choice of lifestyle ...they call it “kaka” in Pennsylvania...it’s indeed heartbreaking but it’s true.
"Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Thank you Father. I am discerning my vocation because of courageous messages like this that I want to help my friends hear. I just finished morning prayer and found your channel. God bless you Father. I pray that the Light of the Holy Name of Jesus burns bright in your message this day.
Having an attraction may not be a sin but if we feed attraction it is a sin. Remember Jesus said if you think about it you have already sin. So if your eyes cause you to sin, look away.
I think that's an absolutely excellent point. There's a Native American story that maybe the PC culture can relate to that has to do with the wolf that you feed is the one that gets stronger. So if we feed our thin obviously it gets stronger. In the Catholic World we used to say avoid the near occasion of sin another words don't do anything to put your soul in jeopardy
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Yes the Church will never change. God's word will never change. God does not compromise. The Catholic Church is Jesus's Christ's Church. What was revealed to the church will never be changed. Just because being gay and adultery is trendy in the 21st century does not mean that God needs to change his word to appeal to sinners. The Bible says homosexuality is abominable and adulterers will not enter heaven. Why can't you just take the word of God as it is?
I have never felt an attraction for the same sex but I have sinned out curiosity in the past ...for years now I ve been fighting out past transgression ; bullies. To the point where I feel crooked from what I have heard and seen...but I prayed enough and felt hope from moving forward..thank you for this speech..very encouraging and hopeful...
Thanks for making this video! This makes it clear that the Catholic church accepts everyone and that everyone has areas of struggle. Sadly, some people have to struggle more than others. God bless you, Father!
I feel very much the same way, thank you for arguing in a clear and coherent manner. I’d argue that riskful behavior isn’t necessarily immoral, so I think it would be wrong to questions someone’s morals for being homosexual or for eating junk food. And even if we assume that something other than social pressure was responsible for the high suicide rates, it would be a tough argument to make to say that having them stop having gay sex would lower suicide rates instead of increase them.
I'm an Irish Methodist (an extreme ecumenist too) and I watch your channel with interest. I take issue with one thing you said here. This idea that non Catholic Christians believe that same sex attraction itself puts a person outside the body of Christ is not one that I recognise. I'm sure there are some extremists that may well think that way, but the rest of your homily echoes almost exactly what my own minister has to say on the topic. May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Nice sermon father. Help the ones you can and don't worry. Keep moving on. I found in my area of work (34 years and retired) that you can't help them all.
As I posted below - so it is okay to be intolerant, as long as you are intolerant of the intolerant...then the REALLY scary question is "who decides what tolerance looks like" because it seems that depending on how you answer that question, one could be given a green light to be as intolerant as one chooses - as long as the "governing body" has declared the target to be "intolerant"
I don't think we can be distilled into all good or all bad either. as to "many factors at play" that is vague enough to prevent one from actually having to articulate one's beliefs at all. If being completely ambiguous and vague is the approach, though, how can you be sure that we WOULDN'T benefit from acknowledging where our laws (and our rights) actually come from?
Thank you Father!! If only other priests were brave enough to tackle this subject from the pulpit! You just don't hear sermons like yours.... ever. God made us for love. HE is love! It is not up to us to judge another's circumstance. Until I am without sin (Never!) I certainly can not go throwing stones at another. God Bless you in your ministry. Thank you for saying "YES" to the priesthood. Thank you for your courage!!
"We are one in the spirit, we are one in the Lord. We are one in the spirit we are one in the Lord. And we pray that all unity may one day be restored. And they'll know we are Christians, by our love, by our love, yes they'll know we are Christians by our love."
The Church doesn't say that "homosexuals are capable of leading heterosexual lives" The Church says we all have attractions that we experience. The only place that one properly acts on sexual attraction is within the bond of marriage. A hormonal teenager can't act on any sexual attractions they might feel because they aren't married A priest can't act on any sexual attractions he might feel because he is not married A married man can't act on attraction to roughly 3.5 billion women etc.
Thank you Father. In the discussion of this issue many heterosexuals decry the sins of same sex attracted people but forget that there are many heterosexual behaviors that are also sinful. We tolerate adulterous behavior to such an extent that civil society cannot speak against homosexual relationships. All of us are sinners and only through Jesus can we be redeemed.
That is correct view to post because to follow anything a parent, employer, school , government, or your your religion is correct. Maybe you will understand if instead I posted "Question Everything" IMO when you follow your faith (I am catholic) without questions it's no different than when throughout history military men gave the answer "I was only following orders"
Fornication, disobedient to parents and uncleanliness i.e watching pornography is the most common sin amongst young people. So they are given up to the sin of homosexuality.
Where did I say everything about a relationship is sex? In fact, if you watch the classes I teach on marriage (I'm sure a hysterical notion to you that a celibate would teach a class on marriage - but then again, it isn't all about sex, and so me being in relationships as well...) I talk over and over and over again about how it ISN'T just about sex. Your entire rant above is based on a completely false assumption about what you think I think.
Point one: they SHOULD love each other in a platonic, non-sexual way. But they STILL cannot be married to one another. It's not discrimination at all, its the TRUTH. Who is "Psychiatry" and where does their "authority" come from? Psychiatrists don't have moral authority, only the Church does. The impossibility of procreation that comes from SSA fails a major criteria of marriage. Remember, BOTH Unitive AND Procreative. Marriage has a specific definition which you've no authority to change
The following quote stuck out in my mind: "On the other hand, the left, tells me I am predestined, also, to act on my inclinations." Is the reverse also true? The left and right both presume that if someone is inclined to be straight, that they are "predestined" to have relationships with members of the opposite sex. Is it always inappropriate to presume which sex someone should have a relationship with based on their inclinations, or does this only apply to homosexuals?
The # of times I've answered this question is staggering. Certain passages in Leviticus are simply cultural laws that we obviously need not worry about anymore. Others are definitely still applicable. The question - who helps us decide which no longer apply? As a Catholic, the answer is easy - it is the Church. One of the reasons the Church continues its teachings on sexual issues is because homosexual sex isn't JUST in Leviticus, it is also in the New Testament as an abomination as well.
I'm not being ambiguous, I'm simply stating that I subscribe neither to Hobbes' view of the necessity of an absolute authority, nor to the belief that a lack of any authority is the answer. We certainly DO benefit from acknowledging where our laws and our rights come from, and as I've said that source is a rational consideration of the implications of our actions. Neither our laws nor our rights come from any deity or mythology, and as long as secularism stands, that will remain the case.
Bless us Lord for we are all sinners and we too often think or are encouraged to think with our earthly faculties and not our heavenly spiritual faculties.... in Jesus’ Most Holy Name, Amen. Thank you Father John and may your courage encourage the flock to recognize and know the sound of His voice, our Good Shepherd! Blessings!!!
There was nothing theological about the words I used, but I’ll get to your question. My morals come from rational consideration of the consequences of my actions, and the understanding that my freedoms extend only so far that they do not overlap on another’s. I don’t get my morality from a single book, just like most people don’t, which is why ethics continue to evolve as they have evolved over the last two thousand years, which is we don’t have things like slavery any more.
After my comments a moment ago...I hold my breath for the vituperative responses from those readers who regard Church Militant as morally superior to the College of Czrdinals...but please prove me wrong with genuine engagement and real kindness!
this issue caused me to leave church at 12 when i asked my priest what gay was becuz my dad came out to me and i didnt really understand i went to only place in my childhood that i was safe and i was only told my dad was going to hell and so was my mom becuz she wasnt remarried this crushed me til this day i was taught to love everyone equally by the same priest and i was very commited to my church i was a altar boy for many years served mass everyday b4 n after school all weekend masses and was on my way to seminary but 1 statement changed that
So your ethics are based in a Hobbesian world view - the view that we are all "beastly" (Hobbes' word), and thus our laws are a sort of contract we enter into simply to protect us from one another. The Church's understanding of law is that the law is something that helps guide us to a better state of living. I believe that Hobbes' "development" a few hundred years ago was not an "evolution" of morality but a "devolving" based on a flawed understand of what it means to be human
Thank you for your message of love and understanding. As a married woman (and mother of one!) who has never quite grasped how to respond to those who profess to be homosexual, I am grateful beyond words that you are not only willing to speak about this but also explain the Church's teaching in lay-terms for those of us who aren't brave enough to open the CCC and wade through its complicated wording. Again, thank you!
I think this message is well delivered and spells out very well that we can bring our sins to Christ but we are not to accept them and therefore repent. Same sex attraction is a form of sexual immorality and therefore comparable to other sexual immoral acts like committing adultery / pornography etc. The Bible talks about the narrow gate to salvation and the broad road to destruction. We all must strive to repent and trust in our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 84:10 -Better is one day in (God's) courts than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the House of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
thanks very much, the truth will set us free. it is unfortunate that some are compromising the faith in order to please the world. but Jesus said, the one you prefer the world to me I not worthy of the kingdom of heaven
But you didn't say "who will have no romantic relationships of any kind" you said "predestined to form romantic relationships" - I, as a seminarian (and of course also as a priest) experience frequent attraction to the opposite sex, but I was not, even before priesthood, someone who falls into your original statement of being "predestined to form romantic relationships with members of the opposite sex"
What about the people I quoted in the homily - the Catholics who experience same sex attraction and hear HOPE from the Catholic Church? Does the Church make them feel guilty? Does the Church make them feel ashamed? Maybe, just maybe, the people I quoted in the homily, David Morrison and Eve Tushnet, and many others like them, actually LISTENED to what the Church says about their experience...maybe they actually LISTENED and DIDN'T hear condemnation but instead felt LOVED and at HOME?
Chris You know better than to use that answer, as it clearly only pushes the question back. You need to tell us why the state is doing this, and Fr. Hollowell's point seems to be that the state does it because we still recognize that sex isn't a "free for all," the way your flippancy suggests you think it is.
Well, the Church says the same thing to me as a priest, it says the same thing to married couples, it says the same thing to hormonal teenagers - are those other instances of "intolerance?"
Thank you, Father Hollowel, for giving this homily. Thank you for educating me and teenagers my age on this topic. It is so crucial....and it's overflowing with truth.
Catholic Man n Proud, thanks for your comments. I too feel sad for our gay kids. I wish that the Church would say more to support them and to speak out against bullying. You are right, lots of Catholics support gay marriage. It is already legal in many states. Fifty years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal in many states and 80% percent of Americans were against it. Many thought it to be an abomination and against the Bible. But the Supreme Court said that it was allowed.
I would simply say that, although they have toed the line & suppressed a natural desire in order to obtain after-life rewards, it's unreasonable to expect everyone to do this. Everyone, both homosexual & heterosexual, should be held to the same standard.
Initially you had common law marriages in which the State didn't have a role in officiating the marriage. For instance in Ancient Rome and Greece, a couple was recognized as married by their immediate community after conducting a religious ceremony. After that, if fell under the jurisdiction of the Canon Law because the Catholic Church declared marriage to be a Sacrament. It then fell under Civil law during the Reformation(continued)
so it is okay to be intolerant, as long as you are intolerant of the intolerant...then the REALLY scary question is "who decides what tolerance looks like" because it seems that depending on how you answer that question, one could be given a green light to be as intolerant as one chooses - as long as the "governing body" has declared the target to be "intolerant"
How many of you atheists coming over here from Reddit actually watched the video? Now now, be honest. I'll give any atheist a trillion dollars if they can accurately describe what the Church teaches on this topic.
Of course not, when I said 'one type of sex' I was referring to sex between homosexuals vs. between straight people. Sex needs to be between consenting adults, the problem with prostitution is that it ends up being exploitative towards sex workers. However, there is no basis to discriminate between homosexual and straight people as no sexual orientation is inherently immoral.
Thanks. Glad it helped! There's a lot more to be learned than the tip of the iceberg that I go into here in this homily. Keep learning about your Catholic Faith. As NBC says "The More You Know!"
"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church."
Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
Father John you are a courageous man. Do not be afraid. Holy Spirit is working through you. Patient & Truth in adversity is powerful for the soul
Also, we don't believe in predestination as Catholics anyway, so, yes, it is overly presumptuous to say anyone, on any matter or topic, is in anyway predestined to do or not do something.
Father, continue to preach the TRUTH. THE TRUTH HURTS
do not slow down
Let the Holy spirit continue to give you the wisdom, knowledge and courage to stand and speak the truth.
Thanks. I know while some will get on here, not listen to it, and spew hate, others will listen and will come to understand for the first time what the Church ACTUALLY says on this difficult topic
This homily took courage. What I'm hearing from some of the bishops is appalling, and the cowardice trickles all the way down to CCD classes.
Everyone has their own cross of suffering to bear.
What an awesome Catholic Church! Truth
Thank you Fr. Holloway for helping homosexuality to understand the LOVE of JESUS CHRIST FOR them is nothing compared.
Oh yes the fight against the people who have been kept down for centuries. Takes some real courage to stand up and do that.
We preach about such things because if the direction of our country's policies don't change, we soon won't be able to address the issues of poverty, war, cancer, etc because our Church will be forced into the underground.
Father John Hollowell - umm, the "governments" CREATE those conditions. Stop looking up to politicians as your gods and protectors. They are NOT.
Father John Hollowell. Mister John Hollowell I’m a born again Christian and I believe that we need to evangelize gays and lesbian that the can be save by Jesus Christ. This issue is very important not to let them think that it is right because God create man and woman.
Let them know wat the word of God say.
Treated them with love and if they do not accept just pray for them. Prayers much prayers we need today. The entire world is going bad.
Repent means come back to God. And do not follow ANY man teaching. Follow Jesus and study your bible.
Chris
1. Whether governments "CREATE those conditions," if you mean "create poverty, war, and the like," isn't the point. The point is that the Church is at risk of losing her voice on these issues; in other words, if you meant "creates the country's political course," then there's no clear disagreement between you.
2. Where does Fr. Hollowell seem to look up to politicians as gods and protectors?
Father John Hollowell Those of us in “progressive” cities are already underground. For an example of our local priests, please look up Fr Thomas Faucher sentenced 21Dec 2018. Many local “Catholics,” including Mayor Bieter, are still supporting Faucher! The nature of his crimes is Satanic and truly frightening. Bishop Christiansen said he feels “sad.” Do you call that leadership?
If he cared about Catholics, he would be raining down fire and brimstone on predator priests who are on line looking for “children to rape and kill.” Everyone here is carrying on as though this is normal for them. I now realize the “child porn” is produced by priests and seminarians. They rape infants to death for fun, people. Let that sink in.
Thanks for putting your sermons up, father. You really raise the bar for a lot of the other novus ordo priests, and you're also giving the faithful what they so desperately need to stay grounded in that place of both truth and compassion. What you're sharing here is very helpful. I would hope this is shared to an adult group, though, as some families like to keep their younger children from hearing about "homosexuality" or even "same-sex attraction" until they're at an age where they can properly discuss these topics at home.
Excellent homily father. A much needed message of hope. Keep it coming. The truth about homosexuality is found in the church.
True. But Jesus picked some amazing sinners to lead and carry His message. So you have to put in context and add, "Those who knowingly sin are in trouble. There is hope for all because God's mercy endures forever. If one repents and changes, they have complete forgiveness."
This priest is truly a good and kind shepherd!!!
I agree! If anyone listens to this and hears hate I question their listening skills!
Thank you for putting this out there. We have
a young man in our family who has same sex attraction. Right now, he is immersed in the gay culture, so not following God’s laws. We are trying to reach
him and bring him back to the church. Knowing that there are others like him in the church
who are remaining celibate May make it easier for him to follow in their footsteps rather than the road to destructive that he is on right now.
Oh please. Of you love that guy leave him alone, let him love who he wants. Stop ruining his Life
God Bless you Father Hollowell, you are an inspiration to all who view these homilies. You speak the truth of Jesus. Thank You
My point is we know that sex in certain situations is wrong, but we try to mask our moral judgment towards such sex by saying "Oh, we don't like that stuff over there in the shadows because it is simply shady business. God forbid we actually say what we all know - namely that sex actually has a purpose and can be misused." We still hand out scarlet letters, they just look different.
Yes, in the Catholic Church all are welcome. Anyone who is in a state of mortal sin, however, should not receive the Eucharist - people who have murdered, adultery, premarital sex, etc.
God bless you, Father. You will be in my daily prayers. We need more holy priest willing to speak on the hard issues. Thank you.
I have never been able to confess my sins about homosexuality..raised like an orphan I always had to find my own way...the first time I sinned I was a teenager, I met a transgender who her/his look deceived me , I was very submissive to her/his demands ; except at each tries I couldn’t be penetrated; I felt something was wrong and pushed her/him away...I moved on and accepted the fact that Penetration was impossible....but continued with the touching until I turned 24 ...i was never attracted to it it was just my only way of release...it always been difficult for me to find a friend or a girlfriend growing up , but since 24 I realized it was never really what I desired or wanted ..I was lonely and couldn’t find love ...but I never stopped praying for Gods forgiveness..as I simply wish to find my own but the right way...this speech was very enlightening and along I decided to share my story and confess ...thank you..
That's really hot, what else did you do with the trans girl?
you are right...Even for a heterosexual person, all of them have an attraction to a certain type of person: blonde hair, blue eyes, short, small, chunky, asian, etc. That attraction doesn't necessarily make it GOOD for you...if someone thinks they CANNOT LIVE without sex, then they have to look within themselves and see lust, not love.
We should love and care for them and not separate them from others....but it doesn't mean we cant rebuke their behavior,,,for if we don't their souls will perish,,,this is true love even Jesus rebuked evil for he loved us.
Elina Shivoko thanks for speaking out. God bless you
God bless you. Thank you Father Hollowell!
My pleasure! Thanks for your comment!
You have absolutely 100% missed the entire thesis of the homily. In fact, the thesis was completely the opposite of what you have stated. The thesis is that just because you are attracted to something or someone that DOES NOT mean you will act on it. The liberal media elites are the ones who say that human persons can't help but act on their attractions.
Life is unfair, especially those suffering from SSA. Either suffer the difficulty of never being able to consumate their urges, or give in to their disordered lusts and violate God's law. However, if they look deeply into themselves and figure out why they have these urges in the first place, they MAY be able to overcome them and live chaste, happy lives. I met a man a few years ago who overcame SSA and changed his orientation. He is now married and has a young child. God works in many ways
Look how fast all this changed, Now sodomitical marriage is the law of the land and many bishops are in favor of it. Our sins have eclipsed our intellect. We’re experiencing mass insanity
MARRIAGE is MARRIAGE. sodomy is sodomy.
Thanks Father. I'm transsexual and am Catholic and celibate also. People in my situation are sometimes treated poorly in the church due to misinformation and fear. Your sermon was a breath of fresh air. I acknowledge I have an identity disorder and my cross gets heavy at times but I believe I can still be a good person. I did not choose my condition. Medical intervention did help me and have been living for over 30 years as a trans woman. I hope and pray Jesus has a place in heaven for me and people like me if I love Him and keep his commandments. God bless you and your ministry.
bernice canty Pray
Coach Chris what do you think I've done for the last 30 years. This is my cross. God can use it for my salvation and for others. We judge by the outside God sees the child within and the circumstances that make us the way we are.
bernice canty Pray to your Guardian Angel, God loves us so much he gave all a Angel to help us .
@bernice canty May I ask you a rather personal question. Were you either abused (in any form, physical, verbal, sexual) or molested when you were young? It is genuinely for my curiousity, not to attack you.
bernice canty well you and him are going to hell the reason why God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah it is for being sexually perverts..
God Bless you Father. Thank you for showing us that book, 'Faith at the Edge.' Just wonderful.
I have adult children who question me and are troubled because they know people who struggle with this. They worry about their souls. What does the Catholic church teach on this subject?
All I could answer is, "It is a mortal sin to engage in any sexual perversion because it violates the 6th Commandment of God, Adultery."
But I did not realize that there is a distinction, and we have to be careful. So now I know!
Father gave us this EXCELLENT homily. Same Sex Attraction (SSA) is NOT a sin!!!! One is still intact and chaste. This is all important. There is a distinction between the "attraction" and the "act."
The mortal "sin" against the 6th commandment is acting on the attraction and actually physically engaging.
Unlike Protestant public "leaders," the Catholic church does NOT condemn anyone who struggles with SSA. This is a misconception.
We see the root cause of anger and despair by those who struggle with this towards Christianity at large, but this ERROR is coming from Protestants, not Catholics!!!
But just because the Catholic church does NOT condemn SSA, does NOT mean its OK to engage and act on those feelings! Its a temptation from the ancient enemy. A test of our will.
He is correct. Jesus said "I give you My Commandments and if you keep my commandments you will remain in my love and these commandments lead to your joy."
It is very simple. Just don't ACT on it. If you do, be sure to CONFESS this mortal sin right away and sin no more. Make amends. Do penance. AND NEVER receive our Lord in the Holy Eucharist if one is in a state of mortal sin!!!!
Confession of all sin FIRST for purification! Follow God's laws and you can't go wrong! What is so hard about that? Its not. We are human and very fallible. All of us share that weakness.
So, bottom line, Christ Himself by His will thru the Catholic church, provides the remedy. No other institution on earth is authorized to provide this directly from our Lord. There is only one, true, holy and apostolic Church of Christ and it is the Catholic Church!
Kathleen Ann
Well said!
Kathleen Ann, I prefer to believe in the natural innate goodness of human nature. The Catholic God murdered his son after torturing him, bad role modelling, a complete lack of morals. Fuck your God, I am pleased he is just a figment of your imagination.
Lynne Barnes lord forgive him for he did not know what his saying 🙏🏻🙁
@@lynnebarnes6849 whatever teaches you or compells you to speak like that obviously isnt working lol. I sense no good nature in what u said, only anger and frustration.
@@turnip881 speak like what ? A rational person who requires evidence for such outrageous and immoral fantasies. I believe in the natural and innate goodness most humans have. I would be very unhappy and stressed if I thought that nasty sadistic fiction about the Christian god were true. I am very happy with my long and fulfilled life, because I have grown up and I am not fooling myself or anyone else. I would never be so morally bankrupt to scare my grandchildren with such foolish and cruel stories and anyone who did would feel MY wrath.
I’m living in a time where they are demonizing heterosexual men.. they are cast aside like they are wrong ; violent ; or selfish...I grew up in NY and I have never seen anything like it...no matter how humble or noble you are...they have completely rejected heterosexual no do they accept it as a choice of lifestyle ...they call it “kaka” in Pennsylvania...it’s indeed heartbreaking but it’s true.
"Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Thank you Father. I am discerning my vocation because of courageous messages like this that I want to help my friends hear. I just finished morning prayer and found your channel. God bless you Father. I pray that the Light of the Holy Name of Jesus burns bright in your message this day.
Having an attraction may not be a sin but if we feed attraction it is a sin.
Remember Jesus said if you think about it you have already sin. So if your eyes cause you to sin, look away.
I think that's an absolutely excellent point. There's a Native American story that maybe the PC culture can relate to that has to do with the wolf that you feed is the one that gets stronger. So if we feed our thin obviously it gets stronger. In the Catholic World we used to say avoid the near occasion of sin another words don't do anything to put your soul in jeopardy
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
ChloeXlover Amen!!
If we're intrinsically inclined to cooperation, why don't we always cooperate?
Yes the Church will never change. God's word will never change. God does not compromise. The Catholic Church is Jesus's Christ's Church. What was revealed to the church will never be changed. Just because being gay and adultery is trendy in the 21st century does not mean that God needs to change his word to appeal to sinners. The Bible says homosexuality is abominable and adulterers will not enter heaven. Why can't you just take the word of God as it is?
Why do we have to take the word of god as is on this point only? What about all the other ones?
Thanks! Will do. We'll keep trying to engage, hoping some will actually dialogue as opposed to reducing us to caricature.
I have never felt an attraction for the same sex but I have sinned out curiosity in the past ...for years now I ve been fighting out past transgression ; bullies. To the point where I feel crooked from what I have heard and seen...but I prayed enough and felt hope from moving forward..thank you for this speech..very encouraging and hopeful...
Thanks for making this video! This makes it clear that the Catholic church accepts everyone and that everyone has areas of struggle. Sadly, some people have to struggle more than others. God bless you, Father!
I feel very much the same way, thank you for arguing in a clear and coherent manner. I’d argue that riskful behavior isn’t necessarily immoral, so I think it would be wrong to questions someone’s morals for being homosexual or for eating junk food. And even if we assume that something other than social pressure was responsible for the high suicide rates, it would be a tough argument to make to say that having them stop having gay sex would lower suicide rates instead of increase them.
I'm an Irish Methodist (an extreme ecumenist too) and I watch your channel with interest. I take issue with one thing you said here. This idea that non Catholic Christians believe that same sex attraction itself puts a person outside the body of Christ is not one that I recognise. I'm sure there are some extremists that may well think that way, but the rest of your homily echoes almost exactly what my own minister has to say on the topic. May the Lord bless you and keep you.
As you say Fr Holloway, pastoral care is the remedy rather than turning away.
Nice sermon father. Help the ones you can and don't worry. Keep moving on. I found in my area of work (34 years and retired) that you can't help them all.
As I posted below - so it is okay to be intolerant, as long as you are intolerant of the intolerant...then the REALLY scary question is "who decides what tolerance looks like" because it seems that depending on how you answer that question, one could be given a green light to be as intolerant as one chooses - as long as the "governing body" has declared the target to be "intolerant"
I don't think we can be distilled into all good or all bad either.
as to "many factors at play" that is vague enough to prevent one from actually having to articulate one's beliefs at all. If being completely ambiguous and vague is the approach, though, how can you be sure that we WOULDN'T benefit from acknowledging where our laws (and our rights) actually come from?
Thank you Father!! If only other priests were brave enough to tackle this subject from the pulpit! You just don't hear sermons like yours.... ever.
God made us for love. HE is love! It is not up to us to judge another's circumstance. Until I am without sin (Never!) I certainly can not go throwing stones at another.
God Bless you in your ministry. Thank you for saying "YES" to the priesthood. Thank you for your courage!!
"We are one in the spirit, we are one in the Lord. We are one in the spirit we are one in the Lord. And we pray that all unity may one day be restored. And they'll know we are Christians, by our love, by our love, yes they'll know we are Christians by our love."
Mark Dav : agape love, not erotic.
The Church doesn't say that "homosexuals are capable of leading heterosexual lives"
The Church says we all have attractions that we experience. The only place that one properly acts on sexual attraction is within the bond of marriage.
A hormonal teenager can't act on any sexual attractions they might feel because they aren't married
A priest can't act on any sexual attractions he might feel because he is not married
A married man can't act on attraction to roughly 3.5 billion women etc.
KB - hope you are well. Thanks man! Hopefully I'll run into you at some point this Summer!
Thank you Father. In the discussion of this issue many heterosexuals decry the sins of same sex attracted people but forget that there are many heterosexual behaviors that are also sinful. We tolerate adulterous behavior to such an extent that civil society cannot speak against homosexual relationships. All of us are sinners and only through Jesus can we be redeemed.
That is correct view to post because to follow anything a parent, employer, school , government, or your your religion is correct. Maybe you will understand if instead I posted "Question Everything" IMO when you follow your faith (I am catholic) without questions it's no different than when throughout history military men gave the answer "I was only following orders"
A Catholic priest goes in a Disney store, he asks for Aladdin and the store assistant says aren't you in enough trouble already?
Thanks for your kind words!
One's sexuality is not simply expressed in the physical act of sex.
Fornication, disobedient to parents and uncleanliness i.e watching pornography is the most common sin amongst young people. So they are given up to the sin of homosexuality.
Where did I say everything about a relationship is sex? In fact, if you watch the classes I teach on marriage (I'm sure a hysterical notion to you that a celibate would teach a class on marriage - but then again, it isn't all about sex, and so me being in relationships as well...) I talk over and over and over again about how it ISN'T just about sex. Your entire rant above is based on a completely false assumption about what you think I think.
Excellent homily Fr Hollowel! My family continues to pray for you and all priests! God Bless!
Point one: they SHOULD love each other in a platonic, non-sexual way. But they STILL cannot be married to one another. It's not discrimination at all, its the TRUTH.
Who is "Psychiatry" and where does their "authority" come from? Psychiatrists don't have moral authority, only the Church does.
The impossibility of procreation that comes from SSA fails a major criteria of marriage. Remember, BOTH Unitive AND Procreative. Marriage has a specific definition which you've no authority to change
What part of the homily did I treat "homosexuality" as if it is bad? Did you actually watch it?
The following quote stuck out in my mind:
"On the other hand, the left, tells me I am predestined, also, to act on my inclinations."
Is the reverse also true? The left and right both presume that if someone is inclined to be straight, that they are "predestined" to have relationships with members of the opposite sex. Is it always inappropriate to presume which sex someone should have a relationship with based on their inclinations, or does this only apply to homosexuals?
The # of times I've answered this question is staggering. Certain passages in Leviticus are simply cultural laws that we obviously need not worry about anymore. Others are definitely still applicable.
The question - who helps us decide which no longer apply? As a Catholic, the answer is easy - it is the Church.
One of the reasons the Church continues its teachings on sexual issues is because homosexual sex isn't JUST in Leviticus, it is also in the New Testament as an abomination as well.
I'm not being ambiguous, I'm simply stating that I subscribe neither to Hobbes' view of the necessity of an absolute authority, nor to the belief that a lack of any authority is the answer. We certainly DO benefit from acknowledging where our laws and our rights come from, and as I've said that source is a rational consideration of the implications of our actions. Neither our laws nor our rights come from any deity or mythology, and as long as secularism stands, that will remain the case.
Bless us Lord for we are all sinners and we too often think or are encouraged to think with our earthly faculties and not our heavenly spiritual faculties.... in Jesus’ Most Holy Name, Amen. Thank you Father John and may your courage encourage the flock to recognize and know the sound of His voice, our Good Shepherd! Blessings!!!
Sure it is, it is the definition of intolerance - "not tolerating something"
He is speaking from the church and heart.
Temptation is not a sin ... if Adam had not "tasted" the fruit of the tree he would not have sinned ... HUUUGE difference ...
you can use the same argument twice when it wasn't answered the first time
There was nothing theological about the words I used, but I’ll get to your question. My morals come from rational consideration of the consequences of my actions, and the understanding that my freedoms extend only so far that they do not overlap on another’s. I don’t get my morality from a single book, just like most people don’t, which is why ethics continue to evolve as they have evolved over the last two thousand years, which is we don’t have things like slavery any more.
After my comments a moment ago...I hold my breath for the vituperative responses from those readers who regard Church Militant as morally superior to the College of Czrdinals...but please prove me wrong with genuine engagement and real kindness!
As a protestant, I must say that I don't believe that the attraction being there itself is sinful, so not all protestants see it that way.
Jorbz150 You got that right! I disagree with you 100%!!!!!!
this issue caused me to leave church at 12 when i asked my priest what gay was becuz my dad came out to me and i didnt really understand i went to only place in my childhood that i was safe and i was only told my dad was going to hell and so was my mom becuz she wasnt remarried this crushed me til this day i was taught to love everyone equally by the same priest and i was very commited to my church i was a altar boy for many years served mass everyday b4 n after school all weekend masses and was on my way to seminary but 1 statement changed that
are you going to go back
youda had to dealt w/ it sooner or later.
So your ethics are based in a Hobbesian world view - the view that we are all "beastly" (Hobbes' word), and thus our laws are a sort of contract we enter into simply to protect us from one another. The Church's understanding of law is that the law is something that helps guide us to a better state of living. I believe that Hobbes' "development" a few hundred years ago was not an "evolution" of morality but a "devolving" based on a flawed understand of what it means to be human
Thank you for your message of love and understanding. As a married woman (and mother of one!) who has never quite grasped how to respond to those who profess to be homosexual, I am grateful beyond words that you are not only willing to speak about this but also explain the Church's teaching in lay-terms for those of us who aren't brave enough to open the CCC and wade through its complicated wording. Again, thank you!
Love one another.
God is the Creator of Life.
Giving life is of God.
I think this message is well delivered and spells out very well that we can bring our sins to Christ but we are not to accept them and therefore repent. Same sex attraction is a form of sexual immorality and therefore comparable to other sexual immoral acts like committing adultery / pornography etc. The Bible talks about the
narrow gate to salvation and the broad road to destruction. We all must strive to repent and trust in our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 84:10
-Better is one day in (God's) courts than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the House of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
so the straight people that DO know what it is like to be homosexual...how did they find out what it is like?
straight people are not homosexual -- ? so they don't know what it's like
thanks very much, the truth will set us free. it is unfortunate that some are compromising the faith in order to please the world. but Jesus said, the one you prefer the world to me I not worthy of the kingdom of heaven
But you didn't say "who will have no romantic relationships of any kind" you said "predestined to form romantic relationships" - I, as a seminarian (and of course also as a priest) experience frequent attraction to the opposite sex, but I was not, even before priesthood, someone who falls into your original statement of being "predestined to form romantic relationships with members of the opposite sex"
What about the people I quoted in the homily - the Catholics who experience same sex attraction and hear HOPE from the Catholic Church? Does the Church make them feel guilty? Does the Church make them feel ashamed?
Maybe, just maybe, the people I quoted in the homily, David Morrison and Eve Tushnet, and many others like them, actually LISTENED to what the Church says about their experience...maybe they actually LISTENED and DIDN'T hear condemnation but instead felt LOVED and at HOME?
loved, welcomed and respected is how we treat everyone.
which is what again?
So all sex is okay no matter what? Why do we prosecute prostitution then?
Father John Hollowell - because there's this extortionist called the STATE - and it uses guns carried by police officers.
Chris
You know better than to use that answer, as it clearly only pushes the question back. You need to tell us why the state is doing this, and Fr. Hollowell's point seems to be that the state does it because we still recognize that sex isn't a "free for all," the way your flippancy suggests you think it is.
Love the sinner not the sin. They need to repent.
Well, the Church says the same thing to me as a priest, it says the same thing to married couples, it says the same thing to hormonal teenagers - are those other instances of "intolerance?"
Thank you, Father Hollowel, for giving this homily. Thank you for educating me and teenagers my age on this topic. It is so crucial....and it's overflowing with truth.
Catholic Man n Proud, thanks for your comments. I too feel sad for our gay kids. I wish that the Church would say more to support them and to speak out against bullying. You are right, lots of Catholics support gay marriage. It is already legal in many states. Fifty years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal in many states and 80% percent of Americans were against it. Many thought it to be an abomination and against the Bible. But the Supreme Court said that it was allowed.
so you worship the state? Supreme court also said that abortion is fine to. Race and sexual behavior or two different things. Get real. False analogy.
I would simply say that, although they have toed the line & suppressed a natural desire in order to obtain after-life rewards, it's unreasonable to expect everyone to do this. Everyone, both homosexual & heterosexual, should be held to the same standard.
It might be a good idea to check out Romans, chapter one.
Initially you had common law marriages in which the State didn't have a role in officiating the marriage. For instance in Ancient Rome and Greece, a couple was recognized as married by their immediate community after conducting a religious ceremony. After that, if fell under the jurisdiction of the Canon Law because the Catholic Church declared marriage to be a Sacrament. It then fell under Civil law during the Reformation(continued)
Hope...thank you so much. ..
Thanks!
so it is okay to be intolerant, as long as you are intolerant of the intolerant...then the REALLY scary question is "who decides what tolerance looks like" because it seems that depending on how you answer that question, one could be given a green light to be as intolerant as one chooses - as long as the "governing body" has declared the target to be "intolerant"
Thank you for your work!
How many of you atheists coming over here from Reddit actually watched the video? Now now, be honest.
I'll give any atheist a trillion dollars if they can accurately describe what the Church teaches on this topic.
Of course not, when I said 'one type of sex' I was referring to sex between homosexuals vs. between straight people. Sex needs to be between consenting adults, the problem with prostitution is that it ends up being exploitative towards sex workers. However, there is no basis to discriminate between homosexual and straight people as no sexual orientation is inherently immoral.
Thanks. Glad it helped! There's a lot more to be learned than the tip of the iceberg that I go into here in this homily. Keep learning about your Catholic Faith. As NBC says "The More You Know!"
Yes