@@HoopGeniusWestbrook played with KD and Harden on the same team…they don’t like him. Westbrook plays on the same team with LeBron, they don’t like each other. Narratives? Videos and comments by NBA players says he isn’t a good person. You can be a great basketball player and still not have a good heart. Enjoy the honeymoon phase with Russ. Entire fan bases don’t like him, nuggets fans made so much fun of him when he was on the lakers calling him Westbrick.
Nobody says he isn't a playmaker. But you just were never going to win anything with him as your 1st or 2nd option even in his prime. And Denver definitely ain't going nowhere with him starting. Might be a good short term solution, but its gonna bite them back later on.
@@0skarTheGrouchharden dislikes him so much he’s teamed up with him 3 different times on 3 different teams lol? What players says he’s not a good person? I’ve seen countless interviews and quotes about how great of a teammate he is. Seems like you’re just yapping with no substance
My reason on why Russ should start is because the difference on energy and intensity. The Nuggets has been starting really,really slow with Jamal. Westbrook comes with a fire on him to put pressure on the ball, to attack hard, to deflect balls, to move the space, to play hard defense every second he's on the court. Is not about Westbrook putting points. That's irrelevant to me. Is about what Westbrook do on defense and playmaking. He feeds Jokic. He understand the assignment better than anyone else's on the court. Your whole goal and point is to GIVE THE BALL TO THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD. Not to dribble the ball out, not to do your NBA2K1 crossover like Jamal do, not to take non stop mid ranges, not to take contested 3's, not to go the opposite side of the screens set by Jokic. Your GOAL AS THE PG OF THE NUGGETS IS TO TAKE THE SCREEN. MAKE THE OPPOSITE PG CRASH INTO THE SCREEN OF JOKIC ATTACK THE SPACE CREATED BY THE SCREEN AND GIVE IT TO JOKIC. That's your whole goal, but apparently is something so complicated, so much to ask for a 50M player like Jamal who got such a tough time completing this task. Westbrook understand it. He just know the best player on the team need at least touch the ball in all possessions. Westbrook understand that you do what Jokic wants to do. If Jokic set up the play you follow. If he wants to screen you use it. If jokic wants to pop you give it. The problem with this team is that if Jokic is telling what to do, they just stand around, nobody moving, nobody cutting, nobody setting for others. Westbrook challenges Jokic to be involved in all play because he knows this bums like Jamal and MPJ can't create a play for themselves to save their life. MPJ the last weeks has been progressing quite a ton. He's attacking the rim, he's setting his own shots, he's cutting hard, moving without the ball. Is like the Nuggets completely forget their play book the moment Jokic is off the court One of my main issues with Jamal is that he just don't move. He bring the ball up. Give it,jog and put the softest screens and for the rest of the possession you see him standing still like he's annoyed he ain't dribbling the ball. Don't cut, Don't reposition like a premier shooter, don't set up a screen for other players. He just give it and then stand on the swings waiting
PG 13 - Beal - Joker - ALL had their best season with Russ as their Point Guard. Russ is way better than most think and more impactful too, if used the right way.
Perfect example of what true PG can give you and how Nuggets use their strenght in ofense, MPJ and CB cutting, Russ passing, Jok taking more shots when they rarely double is what Nuggets need, it's crazy that Jok bad shooting nite this year is 45%
The return that the Nuggets are getting from the Westbrook investment is insane.. Russ is out there working for canned beans right now. Here's a guy who has nothing to prove to the NBA after dominating for years during his prime. He's barely getting paid enough to cover his agent and manager, but he's out there on the court barbecuing steaks with a big smile on his face. I have to admire that.
I’d love for him to get one, especially with my Nuggets. And Russ is a way different player than he was with OKC but let’s be honest. His ball hogging selfish attitude was the reason he didn’t get one in OKC. All he had to do was feed KD like he is Jokic and they could have beat the Warriors that year and the Heat before that. KD left because Russ wanted the ball too much and was taking bad shots.
Russell is finally with a teammate that deserves some respect. Thats the difference. He respects jokic. If the lakers play the nuggets in the playoffs, it's gonna be over.
People forget that Russ has been MVP, and Mr Triple Double, for 3 season in OKC, he's never had someone on the same page as him, as Jokic is. He's a high energy guy, and Jokic let's him use that energy to find him, unlike the rest if them that moves lethargic. Russ accepts the challenge every night, and that's what Jokic wanted. He should start, if nothing else but to set the pace. He's a true point guard.
No one thought Jokic was crazy for wanting to play with Westbrook. Westbrook (post prime) making 3 million per year expected to be 5th-7th best player on the team is a no brainer MUCH different then making 50 million per year asked to be 3rd best player on the team. Murray is a notoriously slow starter. He did the exact same thing last 2 yrs then around December 8 both yrs rest of yr was 22, 7, 4, 1.5 stocks on 50/42/88! LAST YEAR in 59 games per 100 Murray 33.3, 10.2, 6.5, 2.5 stocks +8.6 on 48/43/85 (Nuggets 61 win pace when he played vs 46 when he didn’t). He finished 14th in OBPM, 19th in BPM, & 19th in VORP per game. They won at 61 win pace with him last yr vs 46 without. Murray last 3 games? 24 6 3.5 3 stocks 46/47/88 11 PPG in the 4th One of best +/- on team
Him and Jokic just got a triple double in the same game! Could be wrong but this is the 15th or 16th time in NBA history for two teammates on the same time to do that! Russ was a great addition
westbrook has always been an elite passer. He can make those passes that Jokic makes so it takes the pressure off of Jok to always be organizing the offence.
there's also a lot of non quantifiable aspects of playing that Russ' presence brings to the court, such as "gravity" or being perceived as a threat, and also his box-out game is off the charts! But ok, don't say too much, or Murray could get jealous. I think there's enough Joker for both of them! Murray has also proven his worth, and if he's in a bit of a slump, don't mean he's not going to snap out of it, like most legends do.
No problem if murray starter over russ, but just gave russ 30+ minutes play and when he play, let him being point guard and if both play at the same minutes, murray should force himself into shooting guard
Russ knows he's playing with the greatest player he ever has, and he's hungry to wash away the stink LeBron put on him and cap off his career with a ring or three. That hunger in an all-time great is what used to make basketball so fun to watch, and watching Jokic and Russell is fun. Also, regarding three-pointers: Just as 40% from three is equal to 60% from the field, 61% from the field is better than 40% from three. Don't count out the regular field goals just yet, especially with the efficiency level of Russell-Jokic.
Jamal’s approach to the game it’s similar to Jimmy Butler’s. They might not kill during the regular season but when the last seconds of a playoff game they’re fearless. They will most of the time make the bucket cold blood. Sooo, they are a necessary burden when you want a championship.
No it’s not , jimmy b buckets hoops when he not hurt . Jamal has been playing like ass , he is ass . Don’t compare him to jimmy , your analogy explains Jordan poole. That’s who Jamal is a Jordan poole playing aside one of the greats
But the thing is Jamal been bad since the playoffs last year and it carried over to the Olympics and the season. Of course I don’t think he can’t bounce back ,but Malone needs to bench Jamal ,give him a reality check. Even though Murray is a foundational piece Malone will have to make some tough decisions.
Yo I watched this video cus the goat JD Jackson had some stats in here and I love Russ he's my favorite player and always will be, but bro the other vids on this channel look awesome and I loved the way you broke it down in here. Great video!
@ yeah of course bro your video made mine! Glad to see Russ getting love. I’ve checked out several of your other vids now as well, love the work Brodie you got my support. Also was curious, are you a Celtics fan?
@@HoopGenius gotchu, I’ve got family there as well so I’m always supporting them alongside Russ. If Russ doesn’t win a ring this year, the Celtics are for sure running it back.
One thing people gotta keep in mind is he did break his hand not less than a year ago. So I’m sure he’s been working on the jumper. It’ll come back. In Russ we trust
Russ need to be their main PG and Murray needs to adjust to SG cause Russ passes faster and accurately than Murray. Murray takes too long dribbling the ball cause he usually wants to create space and shoot 3s or long mid range. Murray basically stops the flow of Nuggets offense sometimes.
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Increase his bench minutes thats all. He doesnt necessarily need to start but he definitely should be getting major minutes off the bench. He needs at least 25 minutes per game . Malone gotta end the 16 minute nights unless hes playing bad
for sure its definitely not as much a matter of whether he starts or not, but how many minutes he actually gets to play, and out of those minutes spending a good chunk of them with Jokic. Its time for the Russ ring we've all been waiting for.
Braun is getting to comfortable with his spot in starting five and doesn't give the same effort he did at start of the season. Now he just runs to the rim every time and doesn't pass the ball. When Jamal gets back in shape, Malone should play Westbrook at PG, move Murray to SG and bench Braun so he resets back to normal.
Jamal is excellent player but not a team player. He, Jamal, spend first 15 seconds with his useless dribbling and then they have to finished quickly, mostly unsuccessful.
You're so right. He is so slow and usually has no idea so he needs more time to create something useful which often ends up in some sort of "bricking". Looks like a low IQ managing.
Westbrook plays for Jokić and Jokić plays for clown Murray . That’s because of that Jokic now can score 40 plus points . With Murray that’s impossible. Start Russ and Jokić will score every game 40 to be honest Russ is an all star and Murray is average player.
Jokic + Murray and no Westbrook are +13 per 100 possessions for the season so far, which is incredible. Jokic + Westbrook and no Murray are just +1.5 per 100 possessions, which is ok. So just stop with the nonsense, folks - that's pure selection bias. Yeah, Murray has been subpar so far, but the team has still been a lot better with him on the court instead of Westbrook.
@ jokic- murraj play 8 years and russ - jokic 5 games from the start . Murray is Wil Burton 2.0 version . He would not be starter in at least top 15 teams in nba. Look al players who played with Jokic last 8 years no one of them is starter only KCP . What do you think that Murray is ?????? Do you have eyes? He is parasite who steels Jokic prime . Whay Jokic produces more ?? Because Russ give him quality ball and with his game Jokic have time to position , score and be more productive . With Murray Jokic need to warm him up and to give him ball and time ( murray low IQ 15 secunde ball possesion and bad decision that is what is happening last 8 years. If Jokic woud play with real super star than is not importa t what Watson or Brown are doing Jokic would cover all that shit but with Murray mission inpossible . FREE JOKIC FROM MURRAY PARASITE .
@@Doctor-xn4ec Whatever, dude. It's clear you're a Jokic fan, not a Nugets fan. It seems all you care about are Jokic's numbers. Again, the data is very clear: so far, for the season, Jokic + Murray and no Russel have resulted in +13 net rating - which is an incredible number. And with the way Murray has played so far, it can only get better, really. The biggest issue is when Jokic is off the court, and neither Murray nor Westbrook seem to be able to solve that by themselves at this point. Go ask Jokic himself what he thinks about all this nonsense - though I'm sure you're not gonna like the answer.
@@nighthiker yes I’m Jokic fan just like you are Jordan or Lebron fan and its nothing wrong with it . What is wrong is that Jokic need a second superstar to achieve a top level . Murray is not that guy he is not Harden or morent , Devin Booker Only that’s problem , let him go to Orlando or charlote no problem . What Jokic think ?? Im serb and I know what Jokic think when he said that some guys need to give money back or to be banched …. That means I work like an idiot for same mony like this parasite . If you want translation of what Jokic thinks . Life is not Hollywood as you american think my frend , patience is out
0:07 “weaker every year”…that’s debatable. Bruce Brown? Played 81 games for the Nuggets in 2022. Hasn’t played more than that in the last 2 seasons COMBINED. KCP? Shooting a career worst 29% this year and dropped about 3pts per game. Jeff Green? Cmon now. He’s old. Minutes are tanking, points dropped off and he’s only played 7 games this year. We’re not missing any of those guys.
locker room (from what i have heard) is missing uncle jeff.. some things about bigger than stats on court.. kcp shooting worse on a new team is expected its not 2k
@ why would it be expected? KCP last year in DET shot 35% then went up 1st year in LA to 38%. Not a big drop when he left LA for WSH going from 41% in LA to 39% in WSH then back up to 42% 1st year in DEN. But down to a career low 29% the first year after DEN? That’s bad. Not to mention how bad he was on both sides of the ball against MN in the playoffs last year…I’ll repeat, we are not missing him. As for Jeff, sure the clubhouse matters but we don’t need another DJ who never plays and is just Haslem 2.0
I am confused. Some RUclipsrs say that Denver basically sucks now. Then some other RUclipsrs say that the NBA now has a Russel Westbrook problem. Which one is it?
I'm late to this party, but I'm in Denver, but I've loved Westbroook's game since he started at OKC. He should start, because he's better than Murray, even at 36 years old. Murray's inconsistency is the only predictable thing about his game.
@ look you like Jamal so much you would let him fuck the team up even more before getting rid of him. This ain't our homie he plays for the team and he can be let go as well it's a business don't forget MPJ was injured in the beginning before he played so we can rehab Lavine instead of Murray and know that when he comes back guaranteed 26-28 a night if we need. Jamal can't do that.
I'm not sure these videos are the best examples of what Westbrook brings to the table. I feel the first 3 were actually showing the impact of Jokic guarding pick and rolls. I'm torn about Westbrook. I love his effort, passion and the fact that he is humble. On the other hand his decision making has always been a problem (worst 3 point shooter on high volume ever, even worse than Antoine Walker, although this year he is shooting them at a career best) and the advanced stats really don't like him. Of all the Nuggets rotation players he has the worst net rating when pared with Jokic. Part of that is because he plays a lot of minutes with Strawther (who's net rating with Jokic is only a hair better) but it's still a huge gap to the rest.
yea just super hard to get the footage of what i really wanted to i just had to make do with highlights from this game.. i will happily roll with someone who gives 100% effort on the court over someone a spreadsheet tells me is better because when it comes down to it, numbers cannot win for u
Should not give a ef to max contracts and $#!t like that, the chemistry is bigger than everything. Russ is still getting his confidence back, adjusting and fitting in. Finally he plays with a pace that is recommended in half court offence. Still explosive and vocal but it’s not streetball anymore. He would have had a great year if Clips didn’t bring in Harden, that spoiled it all. I hope Nuggets will manage to get a decent piece to backup Joker at Center when he’s out and another wing with defensive skills. They should go for Jimmy Buttler or a less expensive similar dude. I like your breakdown, thanks and keep up the good work! #goRuss #whyNot
Westbrook doesn't have the type of offensive game that is required to win in the West. Let's not forget what Murray has done to the Lakers. They're better off with Russ on the team for sure though.
Nah, the numbers are clear. Nuggs are better in Jok+Mal minutes then they are in Jok+Brook minutes. ANd the difference is not small. We could theoretically move the mal to 2 and slot Brook in 1 but that would mean benching Braun and that would be a significant defensive downgrade to a team that already struggles defensively. No, Westbrook is great at replacing Mal when he is hurt which he often is, and slotting in with the first 5 to let Mal go to bench eatly so he can stagger with the bench in the non-jokić minutes.
Honestly, as much as I love "Playoff Murray", he needs to come off the bench from here on out. Not because of he lacks talent but because it clearly looks like Murray is physically hindered and clearly not healthy right now. You can see it in his lack of speed, cutting, and energy. Murray cannot take more than backup minutes right now health wise. Nuggets should be using Murray to torch the opposing bench scrubs from here on out.
The problem with this take is that its half right. Yes, Russ with jokic has been better than Jamal. No Doubt. However, for the nuggets to win a chip Russ can't be better than Jamal in the playoffs. Jamal needs to be the second best player. So you still shouldn't start Russ. You just need to hope Jamal gets it together.
Nuggets is NOT going anywhere with Westbrook as their PG. They are already like last in 3 point attemps and starting Westbrook ain't helping that. Denver is probably getting beaten by any team that is having a decent shooting night, especially a team that is shooting a bunch of threes like the Celtics.
@@kjjr3270 The nuggets are top 5 in percentage at 38% so while they aren’t taking a lot of threes they are making the ones they take. They just beat the warriors which is a 3pt shooting team with the best shooter ever. What are you talking about?
Too bad the numbers for the full season don't really bear this out. What you're doing is called cherry picking the data to push your narrative. Look at the on/off numbers for pairings with Jokic and Westbrook and Jokic and Murray. Yeah, Jamal has been underwhelming so far, but Jokic + Murray and no West are +13 per 100 possessions, while Jokic + Westbrook and no Murray are just +1.5 per 100 possessions. So while Russ has been great on his limited role and Murray has still to play up to his potential, the talk about Westbrook starting over Murray is just nuts. Not to mention the issues this would cause in the playoffs. Give it time, folks. You don't alienate the guy who has helped the team get their only championship, just signed a max extension and can't be traded till the off-season. The season is still young.
@@ColdbloodedJR What are you talking about, dude? Net rating shows EXACTLY what happens on the court as far as results go. It doesn't tell you the "why", but it does tell you the "what". If what you see does not fit the data, then it's your "eye test" that is wrong, not the data.
@ bruh the net for Russ is messed up because of the bench players and do watch the games cause they score on Jamal Murray attack Jamal on defense the problem aint the offense it’s the defense so who would you rather have more defense who can pass the ball and play defense or a person when he off play no defense or energy?
@@ColdbloodedJR Again, the net is not just for Russ, but for RUSS + JOKIC and no Murray. That includes both games where Russ has started and games where he came off the bench. With all the missed time from Gordon and Murray it's hard to isolate all the data, but that includes a lot of time with the rest of the starters, since it includes both the 5 games where Russ started himself and also because Russ is usually the first to come in for Murray, and Jokic plays the full first and third quarters (for the most part). There's no way the few minutes Russ plays with Jokic with other reserves in instead of starters accounts for over +10 net rating, and the fact is the team still has been great with Murray and Jokic on the court, with or without other starters, so he's not the reason they're losing either way. If the bench is the reason for the 10 net rating difference of Murray over Russ, then clearly that's the problem, and not Murray. Yes, Russel is a better defender right now, but that's not enough to justify starting him over Murray - not to mention all the issues this can bring in the playoffs, plus the fact Murray cannot be traded before the off-season - one simply does not bench and therefore alienates a player that has just signed a max extension and historically has been crucial to the title run because he's not played his best to start the season, much less so when the results are still positive with him on the court. People just need to chill out and stop with the knee jerk reactions that will actually bring more problems than they allegedly would solve.
@ bro the offense not the problem it’s defense where he lack I did not mention the offense the last conversation you saying net rating I do not care about i want to see energy from Murray on both ends he plays with no desire to play it’s seems he plays lazy if you know basketball coaches can’t mess with that because he think he above everyone else and it shows when he plays mediocre and getting cooked we’re talking about rn not in the playoffs because last year in the playoffs he was doing the same shi doing bad offensively numbers wise and lacking on defense but you right net rating and all that other shi matters when your star player you play a new contract not balling but you get Russ who was given 3 mill to play better on both sides for there system🤦🏾♂️
Jokic has been the best basketball player in the last five years, and this guy says that Jokic MAY be the best basketball player in the world. When I heard this, I automatically hung up watching the video. Anyone who doesn't know that Jokic is the best doesn't need to say a word about basketball.
@HoopGenius can ship Murray off, while paying part of his wages. With the balance, get a consistent catch and shoot player. Not an all star, just someone solid.
Well, Jamal's been pedestrian at best when active, and absent often, therefore just about anyone with a pulse is a better start than Jamal this season.
They ain't winning 💩 with russ as the starter. This jamal slander is insane. When/if Jamal.gets healthy is the only chance the nuggets have. This Russ glazing is crazy... Short sighted idiotic views are everywhere...
sure and you are the only one with the broad sight right, u don't understand shit in basketball obviously , jamal been playing like ass even when he is healthy for a while now so you need to stop glazing for him obviously , the n**** got the max contract to start slacking off at games he played tf you talking abt.
Every star that Westbrook played with has a career high in points and ppl try to say he isn’t a playmaker
people listen to dumb twitter narratives and the media who hate on brodie cos he's too real for them
@@HoopGeniusWestbrook played with KD and Harden on the same team…they don’t like him. Westbrook plays on the same team with LeBron, they don’t like each other. Narratives? Videos and comments by NBA players says he isn’t a good person. You can be a great basketball player and still not have a good heart. Enjoy the honeymoon phase with Russ. Entire fan bases don’t like him, nuggets fans made so much fun of him when he was on the lakers calling him Westbrick.
Nobody says he isn't a playmaker. But you just were never going to win anything with him as your 1st or 2nd option even in his prime. And Denver definitely ain't going nowhere with him starting. Might be a good short term solution, but its gonna bite them back later on.
@@0skarTheGrouch What about the other players that only say good things about him as a teammate and leader? Oladipo, PG, Steven Adams. Means nothing?
@@0skarTheGrouchharden dislikes him so much he’s teamed up with him 3 different times on 3 different teams lol? What players says he’s not a good person? I’ve seen countless interviews and quotes about how great of a teammate he is. Seems like you’re just yapping with no substance
Russell westbrook should be the starting point guard
I said that before season started.
He should get half of Murray's paycheck along with it.
@@Icipher353 so valid
@@M4dAf4ka same! They called me idiot
@@HoopGenius
But the problem is Jamal had already failed trying to lead the beanch by himself last few years.....😅
My reason on why Russ should start is because the difference on energy and intensity. The Nuggets has been starting really,really slow with Jamal. Westbrook comes with a fire on him to put pressure on the ball, to attack hard, to deflect balls, to move the space, to play hard defense every second he's on the court.
Is not about Westbrook putting points. That's irrelevant to me. Is about what Westbrook do on defense and playmaking. He feeds Jokic. He understand the assignment better than anyone else's on the court. Your whole goal and point is to GIVE THE BALL TO THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD. Not to dribble the ball out, not to do your NBA2K1 crossover like Jamal do, not to take non stop mid ranges, not to take contested 3's, not to go the opposite side of the screens set by Jokic.
Your GOAL AS THE PG OF THE NUGGETS IS TO TAKE THE SCREEN. MAKE THE OPPOSITE PG CRASH INTO THE SCREEN OF JOKIC ATTACK THE SPACE CREATED BY THE SCREEN AND GIVE IT TO JOKIC. That's your whole goal, but apparently is something so complicated, so much to ask for a 50M player like Jamal who got such a tough time completing this task.
Westbrook understand it. He just know the best player on the team need at least touch the ball in all possessions.
Westbrook understand that you do what Jokic wants to do. If Jokic set up the play you follow. If he wants to screen you use it. If jokic wants to pop you give it.
The problem with this team is that if Jokic is telling what to do, they just stand around, nobody moving, nobody cutting, nobody setting for others. Westbrook challenges Jokic to be involved in all play because he knows this bums like Jamal and MPJ can't create a play for themselves to save their life. MPJ the last weeks has been progressing quite a ton. He's attacking the rim, he's setting his own shots, he's cutting hard, moving without the ball. Is like the Nuggets completely forget their play book the moment Jokic is off the court
One of my main issues with Jamal is that he just don't move. He bring the ball up. Give it,jog and put the softest screens and for the rest of the possession you see him standing still like he's annoyed he ain't dribbling the ball. Don't cut, Don't reposition like a premier shooter, don't set up a screen for other players. He just give it and then stand on the swings waiting
you spittin right now g!
You should be on the Nuggets coaching staff for real
The Nuggets forget their playbook once Jokic is on the bench because Jokic is the god damn playbook lmao
Westbrook always looking for Jokic is what makes him a good decision maker
This take is absolutely spot on.
facts
😂😂 "Did he deflect that with his face?" "yeah he did"😂😂
he so great he's even great by accident
PG 13 - Beal - Joker - ALL had their best season with Russ as their Point Guard.
Russ is way better than most think and more impactful too, if used the right way.
facts
Perfect example of what true PG can give you and how Nuggets use their strenght in ofense, MPJ and CB cutting, Russ passing, Jok taking more shots when they rarely double is what Nuggets need, it's crazy that Jok bad shooting nite this year is 45%
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crazyyyyy
The return that the Nuggets are getting from the Westbrook investment is insane.. Russ is out there working for canned beans right now. Here's a guy who has nothing to prove to the NBA after dominating for years during his prime. He's barely getting paid enough to cover his agent and manager, but he's out there on the court barbecuing steaks with a big smile on his face. I have to admire that.
factssssss
Facts
That pick and roll of jokic and russ is unguardable
two great basketball minds
Yes and so is the mpj pick and roll
All fun and games until they start Westbrook in the playoffs
Russ deserves a ring...
nothing would make me happier tbh
I’d love for him to get one, especially with my Nuggets. And Russ is a way different player than he was with OKC but let’s be honest. His ball hogging selfish attitude was the reason he didn’t get one in OKC. All he had to do was feed KD like he is Jokic and they could have beat the Warriors that year and the Heat before that. KD left because Russ wanted the ball too much and was taking bad shots.
This rust but not the old one. The old rust was selfish and ecotistical. Thinking he was better than Kevin Durant
Old Russ would be shooting more and acting like he's better than joker
The face deflection. Another elite move
4d chess
Great analysis and explanation. I love to see RW prospering in this new role, the last few years have been hard on him.
thank you very much! i am happy for russ, i hope he gets a ring before he retires
Russell is finally with a teammate that deserves some respect. Thats the difference. He respects jokic. If the lakers play the nuggets in the playoffs, it's gonna be over.
Remember the year pg had with Russ? He makes his teammates better
@@GunnLeonnhad P.G. In The MVP Talks & Shot Career High His Final Year With Russ
yes!
People forget that Russ has been MVP, and Mr Triple Double, for 3 season in OKC, he's never had someone on the same page as him, as Jokic is. He's a high energy guy, and Jokic let's him use that energy to find him, unlike the rest if them that moves lethargic. Russ accepts the challenge every night, and that's what Jokic wanted. He should start, if nothing else but to set the pace. He's a true point guard.
No one thought Jokic was crazy for wanting to play with Westbrook.
Westbrook (post prime) making 3 million per year expected to be 5th-7th best player on the team is a no brainer MUCH different then making 50 million per year asked to be 3rd best player on the team.
Murray is a notoriously slow starter. He did the exact same thing last 2 yrs then around December 8 both yrs rest of yr was 22, 7, 4, 1.5 stocks on 50/42/88!
LAST YEAR in 59 games per 100 Murray
33.3, 10.2, 6.5, 2.5 stocks +8.6 on 48/43/85 (Nuggets 61 win pace when he played vs 46 when he didn’t). He finished 14th in OBPM, 19th in BPM, & 19th in VORP per game. They won at 61 win pace with him last yr vs 46 without.
Murray last 3 games?
24
6
3.5
3 stocks
46/47/88
11 PPG in the 4th
One of best +/- on team
Him and Jokic just got a triple double in the same game! Could be wrong but this is the 15th or 16th time in NBA history for two teammates on the same time to do that! Russ was a great addition
Good narrative ❤
russ getting a handful of dat is crazyy
bruhhh ahahahha had to pause for a sec
westbrook has always been an elite passer. He can make those passes that Jokic makes so it takes the pressure off of Jok to always be organizing the offence.
Excellent break down. You got my subscription
thank you so much!!!
4:22 AG dove first but yeah Russ gets the JB.
Russ provides energy, rebounding, and playmaking.
there's also a lot of non quantifiable aspects of playing that Russ' presence brings to the court, such as "gravity" or being perceived as a threat, and also his box-out game is off the charts! But ok, don't say too much, or Murray could get jealous. I think there's enough Joker for both of them! Murray has also proven his worth, and if he's in a bit of a slump, don't mean he's not going to snap out of it, like most legends do.
When nuggets lost to Wizards, Poole had a career high in Wizards, but couldn't score when westbrook guarded him in the 4th quarter.
Russ is a dawgggggggg
And I’m a Westbrook late fan. I admired him at OKC and I want him to find a home and right now.NOW this is his home. Congrats Russ.
this comment better than the other one u left haha bigup
No problem if murray starter over russ, but just gave russ 30+ minutes play and when he play, let him being point guard and if both play at the same minutes, murray should force himself into shooting guard
yeah man
Russ knows he's playing with the greatest player he ever has, and he's hungry to wash away the stink LeBron put on him and cap off his career with a ring or three. That hunger in an all-time great is what used to make basketball so fun to watch, and watching Jokic and Russell is fun.
Also, regarding three-pointers: Just as 40% from three is equal to 60% from the field, 61% from the field is better than 40% from three. Don't count out the regular field goals just yet, especially with the efficiency level of Russell-Jokic.
i like how u think
Man Jokic is even deflecting the ball on Purpose with his Head!!
4d chess
Jamal’s approach to the game it’s similar to Jimmy Butler’s. They might not kill during the regular season but when the last seconds of a playoff game they’re fearless. They will most of the time make the bucket cold blood. Sooo, they are a necessary burden when you want a championship.
No it’s not , jimmy b buckets hoops when he not hurt . Jamal has been playing like ass , he is ass . Don’t compare him to jimmy , your analogy explains Jordan poole. That’s who Jamal is a Jordan poole playing aside one of the greats
He should help jokic.. because if jokic plays like this..he should be prone to injury.and that's a bad thing to nuggets if that's happened
But the thing is Jamal been bad since the playoffs last year and it carried over to the Olympics and the season. Of course I don’t think he can’t bounce back ,but Malone needs to bench Jamal ,give him a reality check. Even though Murray is a foundational piece Malone will have to make some tough decisions.
Jamal is simply a Jokic product.
respectfully disagree.. can't just turn it on in the playoffs with how good the west is this season for jamal.. jimmy has never won a chip lol
Yo I watched this video cus the goat JD Jackson had some stats in here and I love Russ he's my favorite player and always will be, but bro the other vids on this channel look awesome and I loved the way you broke it down in here. Great video!
man,,, shout out to JD,, this comment made my day tho! thank u so much g
@ yeah of course bro your video made mine! Glad to see Russ getting love. I’ve checked out several of your other vids now as well, love the work Brodie you got my support. Also was curious, are you a Celtics fan?
@@hudsonwalker8523 thank u so much ganggg! yea im a C's fan, my family live in boston but im born and raised in london (random lol)
@@HoopGenius gotchu, I’ve got family there as well so I’m always supporting them alongside Russ. If Russ doesn’t win a ring this year, the Celtics are for sure running it back.
One thing people gotta keep in mind is he did break his hand not less than a year ago. So I’m sure he’s been working on the jumper. It’ll come back. In Russ we trust
Russ need to be their main PG and Murray needs to adjust to SG cause Russ passes faster and accurately than Murray. Murray takes too long dribbling the ball cause he usually wants to create space and shoot 3s or long mid range. Murray basically stops the flow of Nuggets offense sometimes.
Increase his bench minutes thats all. He doesnt necessarily need to start but he definitely should be getting major minutes off the bench. He needs at least 25 minutes per game . Malone gotta end the 16 minute nights unless hes playing bad
for sure its definitely not as much a matter of whether he starts or not, but how many minutes he actually gets to play, and out of those minutes spending a good chunk of them with Jokic. Its time for the Russ ring we've all been waiting for.
@@janhcarlosgomez5015 lol fair point but in terms of politics it wouldn’t happen
i hear u bro
Braun is getting to comfortable with his spot in starting five and doesn't give the same effort he did at start of the season. Now he just runs to the rim every time and doesn't pass the ball. When Jamal gets back in shape, Malone should play Westbrook at PG, move Murray to SG and bench Braun so he resets back to normal.
absolutely not and this is an insane take. braun is the only ray of light on the nuggets right now (besides jokic and westbrook).
i think braun has been good tbf
Jamal is excellent player but not a team player. He, Jamal, spend first 15 seconds with his useless dribbling and then they have to finished quickly, mostly unsuccessful.
You're so right. He is so slow and usually has no idea so he needs more time to create something useful which often ends up in some sort of "bricking". Looks like a low IQ managing.
thats not what this team needs!
Jamal Murray is 40% fg and 30% from 3
Westbrook plays for Jokić and Jokić plays for clown Murray . That’s because of that Jokic now can score 40 plus points . With Murray that’s impossible. Start Russ and Jokić will score every game 40 to be honest Russ is an all star and Murray is average player.
straight in point ☝️
Jokic + Murray and no Westbrook are +13 per 100 possessions for the season so far, which is incredible. Jokic + Westbrook and no Murray are just +1.5 per 100 possessions, which is ok. So just stop with the nonsense, folks - that's pure selection bias. Yeah, Murray has been subpar so far, but the team has still been a lot better with him on the court instead of Westbrook.
@ jokic- murraj play 8 years and russ - jokic 5 games from the start . Murray is Wil Burton 2.0 version . He would not be starter in at least top 15 teams in nba. Look al players who played with Jokic last 8 years no one of them is starter only KCP . What do you think that Murray is ?????? Do you have eyes? He is parasite who steels Jokic prime . Whay Jokic produces more ?? Because Russ give him quality ball and with his game Jokic have time to position , score and be more productive . With Murray Jokic need to warm him up and to give him ball and time ( murray low IQ 15 secunde ball possesion and bad decision that is what is happening last 8 years.
If Jokic woud play with real super star than is not importa t what Watson or Brown are doing Jokic would cover all that shit but with Murray mission inpossible .
FREE JOKIC FROM MURRAY PARASITE .
@@Doctor-xn4ec Whatever, dude. It's clear you're a Jokic fan, not a Nugets fan. It seems all you care about are Jokic's numbers. Again, the data is very clear: so far, for the season, Jokic + Murray and no Russel have resulted in +13 net rating - which is an incredible number. And with the way Murray has played so far, it can only get better, really. The biggest issue is when Jokic is off the court, and neither Murray nor Westbrook seem to be able to solve that by themselves at this point. Go ask Jokic himself what he thinks about all this nonsense - though I'm sure you're not gonna like the answer.
@@nighthiker yes I’m Jokic fan just like you are Jordan or Lebron fan and its nothing wrong with it . What is wrong is that Jokic need a second superstar to achieve a top level . Murray is not that guy he is not Harden or morent , Devin Booker
Only that’s problem , let him go to Orlando or charlote no problem . What Jokic think ?? Im serb and I know what Jokic think when he said that some guys need to give money back or to be banched …. That means I work like an idiot for same mony like this parasite . If you want translation of what Jokic thinks . Life is not Hollywood as you american think my frend , patience is out
This video was very well made ez sub
0:07 “weaker every year”…that’s debatable. Bruce Brown? Played 81 games for the Nuggets in 2022. Hasn’t played more than that in the last 2 seasons COMBINED. KCP? Shooting a career worst 29% this year and dropped about 3pts per game. Jeff Green? Cmon now. He’s old. Minutes are tanking, points dropped off and he’s only played 7 games this year. We’re not missing any of those guys.
locker room (from what i have heard) is missing uncle jeff.. some things about bigger than stats on court.. kcp shooting worse on a new team is expected its not 2k
@ why would it be expected? KCP last year in DET shot 35% then went up 1st year in LA to 38%. Not a big drop when he left LA for WSH going from 41% in LA to 39% in WSH then back up to 42% 1st year in DEN. But down to a career low 29% the first year after DEN? That’s bad. Not to mention how bad he was on both sides of the ball against MN in the playoffs last year…I’ll repeat, we are not missing him. As for Jeff, sure the clubhouse matters but we don’t need another DJ who never plays and is just Haslem 2.0
Yep I've been saying for a while, Russ is the player that makes Jokić better!
about time they got a PG who wanted to do that
I would start him over Murray
wonder if it's a health issue for murray
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You sir are a hoop genius! 🧐
imma ignore the emoji and say thank u sir haha
I am confused. Some RUclipsrs say that Denver basically sucks now. Then some other RUclipsrs say that the NBA now has a Russel Westbrook problem. Which one is it?
Listen to The Hoop Genius Podcast daily and you’ll know what it really is
People forget that Russ is still Elite PG
i never understood why he gets so much hate tbh
Russ wants that chip more than anyone is more than enuff reason why he should start fr
jamal should want another one!! one is never enough, thats too close to zero
I'm late to this party, but I'm in Denver, but I've loved Westbroook's game since he started at OKC. He should start, because he's better than Murray, even at 36 years old. Murray's inconsistency is the only predictable thing about his game.
We should've traded Jamal after we won the ring and got picks and Zack Lavine and Caruso
lavine injured too much to trade a championship winning pg for
@ look you like Jamal so much you would let him fuck the team up even more before getting rid of him. This ain't our homie he plays for the team and he can be let go as well it's a business don't forget MPJ was injured in the beginning before he played so we can rehab Lavine instead of Murray and know that when he comes back guaranteed 26-28 a night if we need. Jamal can't do that.
Man said Rus grabbed a handful!🤣🤣
ayoo
JUST ON EFFORT ALONE WESTBROOK SHOULD BE STARTING.....
I DON'T THINK MURRAY GIVES A SHIT.
HE GOT HIS GUARANTEED CONTRACT.....
NOW HE'S GOOD.
russ never done anything but play hard and i respect it
Russ was my fave when play for OKC beast
legend
Finally some redemption for russ
It's not like Rus passes taps to Jokic, Joker still has to hit them hoops 😅otherwise Joker would average 15 dimes
because people criticised jokic at the time
Russel is hungry for a ring while Jamal already got that fat paycheck
you right on the money
Trade jamal for some new pieces
No value.... Barely available....
The contract he signed makes it so that he can't be traded until the end of this season so he's stuck here for one year unfortunately
But Murray but it's different in the playoffs
@troykurosaki794 He was trash after the Lakers series......
@@troykurosaki794 Has like one good playoff season
Murray the multi million dollar scrub
contracts affecting play is insane but so valid
I'm not sure these videos are the best examples of what Westbrook brings to the table. I feel the first 3 were actually showing the impact of Jokic guarding pick and rolls. I'm torn about Westbrook. I love his effort, passion and the fact that he is humble. On the other hand his decision making has always been a problem (worst 3 point shooter on high volume ever, even worse than Antoine Walker, although this year he is shooting them at a career best) and the advanced stats really don't like him. Of all the Nuggets rotation players he has the worst net rating when pared with Jokic. Part of that is because he plays a lot of minutes with Strawther (who's net rating with Jokic is only a hair better) but it's still a huge gap to the rest.
yea just super hard to get the footage of what i really wanted to i just had to make do with highlights from this game.. i will happily roll with someone who gives 100% effort on the court over someone a spreadsheet tells me is better because when it comes down to it, numbers cannot win for u
They would never do it, but Murray should come off the bench, lead the second unit and also finish the games with Russ.
I don’t think russ should start but Murray definitely needs to come off the bench for a little while
Should not give a ef to max contracts and $#!t like that, the chemistry is bigger than everything. Russ is still getting his confidence back, adjusting and fitting in.
Finally he plays with a pace that is recommended in half court offence. Still explosive and vocal but it’s not streetball anymore.
He would have had a great year if Clips didn’t bring in Harden, that spoiled it all.
I hope Nuggets will manage to get a decent piece to backup Joker at Center when he’s out and another wing with defensive skills.
They should go for Jimmy Buttler or a less expensive similar dude.
I like your breakdown, thanks and keep up the good work!
#goRuss #whyNot
thank you man!! i don't think jimmy is the answer but they can improve around the margins and that should help the team
He BEEN LIKE THIS !!!! 😂😂
media stayed chatting rubbish about him
Love or hate Russ he brings it every game I can’t imagine home being a bad teammate
facts!!!
Why do I have the impression it makes no difference to another Nuggets' season away from championship?
blame ownership for letting key guys walk
Westbrook can set the pace. Move Jamal to the sg spot.
you lose the defence of braun then
@ I’d say bench Murray then but that probably won’t happen because of the amount of money they are paying him…
No wonder why Murray never been an all star
especialy with so many better PGs in the west
That's a hell of a tactic. Grab the screener's ass so he'll be reluctant to screen you again.
try it out 👀 loooool
Westbrook doesn't have the type of offensive game that is required to win in the West. Let's not forget what Murray has done to the Lakers. They're better off with Russ on the team for sure though.
Nah, the numbers are clear. Nuggs are better in Jok+Mal minutes then they are in Jok+Brook minutes. ANd the difference is not small. We could theoretically move the mal to 2 and slot Brook in 1 but that would mean benching Braun and that would be a significant defensive downgrade to a team that already struggles defensively. No, Westbrook is great at replacing Mal when he is hurt which he often is, and slotting in with the first 5 to let Mal go to bench eatly so he can stagger with the bench in the non-jokić minutes.
staggering mins defo the move
Murray just not the same no more
@HoopGenius u sound so high at 0.25 speed haha
loooooool
Russ was always dominant with Steve and he ain’t close to nik so this could be his finishing team and he could win it this or next year easily
i really want russ to get a ring
Good analysis, but let the video run my man. The stuttering of the game footage is nauseating.
Appreciate the feedback bro
Honestly, as much as I love "Playoff Murray", he needs to come off the bench from here on out. Not because of he lacks talent but because it clearly looks like Murray is physically hindered and clearly not healthy right now. You can see it in his lack of speed, cutting, and energy. Murray cannot take more than backup minutes right now health wise.
Nuggets should be using Murray to torch the opposing bench scrubs from here on out.
waiting till the playoffs to play ur best is an awful strategy lol Mal needs to get back in shape
why not russ at the 1 and murry at the 2
Nah Christian Braun Needs To Start At 2 Defense
Russell westbrook is the biggest Denver trade this year...
Russ is turning Jokic into a monster. Nothing else to say.
finally a guard who looks for him!
Is Westbrook playing All NBA Defense level right now?
Yes, but he won’t be all-defensive due to media bias
@Maja-hs5pd Facts
theres some realllll good defenders in the nba rn tbh
The problem with this take is that its half right. Yes, Russ with jokic has been better than Jamal. No Doubt. However, for the nuggets to win a chip Russ can't be better than Jamal in the playoffs. Jamal needs to be the second best player. So you still shouldn't start Russ. You just need to hope Jamal gets it together.
how long do u give jamal to get it together?
Russ is always be a star but in defends on wat team he's playing..but now in nuggets he really fits..day team..❤😊🎉🇮🇱🙏
Wess bro 💪💪💪JOKER
yessir
Nuggets is NOT going anywhere with Westbrook as their PG. They are already like last in 3 point attemps and starting Westbrook ain't helping that. Denver is probably getting beaten by any team that is having a decent shooting night, especially a team that is shooting a bunch of threes like the Celtics.
@@kjjr3270 The nuggets are top 5 in percentage at 38% so while they aren’t taking a lot of threes they are making the ones they take. They just beat the warriors which is a 3pt shooting team with the best shooter ever. What are you talking about?
Simple. Murray is brick. They wont guard him. Mr Triple Dible tho gets doubled all the time. More space for Jokic
if only murray could play the lakers every night lol
Because he cares, Jamal is only for a check
he got his cheque now he chillin
Firas Zahibi Twin
Everybody please remember that it was JOKIC who asked the club to get WESTBROOK....ok somebody PLS answer W H Y? WHY did he bring this up?
tell me lies tell me sweet little lies
lol
Too bad the numbers for the full season don't really bear this out. What you're doing is called cherry picking the data to push your narrative. Look at the on/off numbers for pairings with Jokic and Westbrook and Jokic and Murray. Yeah, Jamal has been underwhelming so far, but Jokic + Murray and no West are +13 per 100 possessions, while Jokic + Westbrook and no Murray are just +1.5 per 100 possessions. So while Russ has been great on his limited role and Murray has still to play up to his potential, the talk about Westbrook starting over Murray is just nuts. Not to mention the issues this would cause in the playoffs. Give it time, folks. You don't alienate the guy who has helped the team get their only championship, just signed a max extension and can't be traded till the off-season. The season is still young.
@@nighthiker you look at net I’ve look at the actual game he plays no defense
@@ColdbloodedJR What are you talking about, dude? Net rating shows EXACTLY what happens on the court as far as results go. It doesn't tell you the "why", but it does tell you the "what". If what you see does not fit the data, then it's your "eye test" that is wrong, not the data.
@ bruh the net for Russ is messed up because of the bench players and do watch the games cause they score on Jamal Murray attack Jamal on defense the problem aint the offense it’s the defense so who would you rather have more defense who can pass the ball and play defense or a person when he off play no defense or energy?
@@ColdbloodedJR Again, the net is not just for Russ, but for RUSS + JOKIC and no Murray. That includes both games where Russ has started and games where he came off the bench. With all the missed time from Gordon and Murray it's hard to isolate all the data, but that includes a lot of time with the rest of the starters, since it includes both the 5 games where Russ started himself and also because Russ is usually the first to come in for Murray, and Jokic plays the full first and third quarters (for the most part). There's no way the few minutes Russ plays with Jokic with other reserves in instead of starters accounts for over +10 net rating, and the fact is the team still has been great with Murray and Jokic on the court, with or without other starters, so he's not the reason they're losing either way. If the bench is the reason for the 10 net rating difference of Murray over Russ, then clearly that's the problem, and not Murray.
Yes, Russel is a better defender right now, but that's not enough to justify starting him over Murray - not to mention all the issues this can bring in the playoffs, plus the fact Murray cannot be traded before the off-season - one simply does not bench and therefore alienates a player that has just signed a max extension and historically has been crucial to the title run because he's not played his best to start the season, much less so when the results are still positive with him on the court.
People just need to chill out and stop with the knee jerk reactions that will actually bring more problems than they allegedly would solve.
@ bro the offense not the problem it’s defense where he lack I did not mention the offense the last conversation you saying net rating I do not care about i want to see energy from Murray on both ends he plays with no desire to play it’s seems he plays lazy if you know basketball coaches can’t mess with that because he think he above everyone else and it shows when he plays mediocre and getting cooked we’re talking about rn not in the playoffs because last year in the playoffs he was doing the same shi doing bad offensively numbers wise and lacking on defense but you right net rating and all that other shi matters when your star player you play a new contract not balling but you get Russ who was given 3 mill to play better on both sides for there system🤦🏾♂️
Thank you for your honest review about my idol the Brodie Russell Westbrook 😊❤ nice video keep it up! God Bless and more power❤
We’ve seen Westbrook and this is too short of a sample size. His mental lapses are his demise and ultimately the Nuggets demise.
What?
Jokic has been the best basketball player in the last five years, and this guy says that Jokic MAY be the best basketball player in the world. When I heard this, I automatically hung up watching the video. Anyone who doesn't know that Jokic is the best doesn't need to say a word about basketball.
Good for you man, only listen to people who say exactly what you believe, how dare people suggest there could be a debate.
@@maartenvzikr 😂.. I was so confused by his disdain lol
Jamal needs to be offloaded, for a shooter.
max contract makes that very tough
@HoopGenius can ship Murray off, while paying part of his wages. With the balance, get a consistent catch and shoot player. Not an all star, just someone solid.
@@neveroutworked254 unfortunately cant do that in new NBA collective bargaining agreement
Trade Jamal for a descent backup big.
That’s easy because tries really hard to win . lol anyone would be better at this stage .
thats such a shame
Russ should start
Well, Jamal's been pedestrian at best when active, and absent often, therefore just about anyone with a pulse is a better start than Jamal this season.
sign me up coach!
*cough* max contract on the 76ers bench
Because Jamal sucks for the whole of 2024
lowkey fax
Every advanced single statistical measure shows Westbrook is an awful player, and killing the Nuggets. This dude clearly doesn't know **** about bball
"who the f*** wants to look at graphs whilst having a hoop convo?" - Kevin Durant
@HoopGenius says the guy that tried using STATS in his video to support his point 🤣🤣🤣.. you are a clown with zero credibility.
@@DaveCrosby-q5z you are a faceless account on the internet.. have a good day tho
They ain't winning 💩 with russ as the starter. This jamal slander is insane. When/if Jamal.gets healthy is the only chance the nuggets have. This Russ glazing is crazy...
Short sighted idiotic views are everywhere...
@@cjp1599 you dont understand the fundamentals of basket frend .
sure and you are the only one with the broad sight right, u don't understand shit in basketball obviously , jamal been playing like ass even when he is healthy for a while now so you need to stop glazing for him obviously , the n**** got the max contract to start slacking off at games he played tf you talking abt.
Jamal Murray has been horrible when given minutes with the bench
he's been horrible in all mins this season tbf lol
@HoopGenius this injuries have killed his playmaking the most though he can't create anymore