also at 20:05... you`re actually right. The panel at 16:53 straight up has sfx that convey the faces below them are screaming/crying. Which makes is that much scarier
Playing through the Dark Souls series before reading Berserk and after reading Berserk is such a different experience. You start noticing so many different inspirations and nods to the series. It truly is incredible. I think it was Dark Souls 2 and Bloodborne where I truly began to notice them as I had not read Berserk when playing through DS3 (which was my first FromSoft game). Yes, they're obviously also still present in Elden Ring along with the obvious homage to Miura.
Daniel listen to me, if ANYONE in the comments says "oh boo hoo Daniel you're being too harsh on Griffith... You're being too judgemental on Griffith..." Don't listen to them. Just be you, say whatever's on your mind, let the dogs keep barking because that is their job as a dog to bark
Have you been told about the "Lost Chapter" yet? I'm not sure if it's included in the deluxe editions. It covers what Griffith experienced during his transformation, and was withheld from future publications because the author decided it was too early to reveal a certain "character"
To whomever spoiled Daniel literally just before he comes to reading it I wish an eternity of wanting to sneeze, but not being able to! For months we managed to get this far without a critical spoiler, this is the definition of a dick move...
fun fact: Koji Mori, the current supervisor of Berk, was a big help to Miura in 1996 for this part and it`s insane visuals. Apparently it took a whole week without leaving the studio
That is reaaaally good to know. One of my main concerns was that the series would lose teeth in somebody else's hands. Sure many people can do grim and dark well, but berserk is simply fucking cruel. If it doesn't make you feel like somebody took a shit in your soul it's not berserk
For anyone who is starting Berserk who knows people who've already read Berserk, The Eclipse is the event all of us who've read the manga are waiting for you to reach because only then will you truly understand the reason behind The Golden Age arc.
I have been anticipating this video for 2 weeks. Daniel, i hope you know you wrecked me emotionally twice by reviewing those few filler arcs before getting here. But man the wait was worth it.
@@themandlaziman My brother got me to read Berserk. I'm not a big Manga reader but he is. After getting into Volume 3 or 4, I told him I'm digging the story. His response: Just wait til you get to The Eclipse.
@@duser Same. I enjoy Daniel's take on things, particularly Berserk. I've been waiting for him to reach this point. We're about to see a very sad goblin in the next video.
@@duser I was hoping for this moment when Daniel started this serie of reviews and I was praying to the god of hand... that Daniel would continue to that point, hoping he'd get to the golden age to get hooked on the story. Japanese culture has a very different view on horror (who does not know the ring ? - japanese version)... I usually dislike horror genre but japanese make it ... nearly poetic for the good stuff (Mermaid's forest, Elfen Lied, Tokyo Ghoul...). Been reading Berserk since around the end of the 90s I think... at that time I was wondering what serie would end first, Berserk or Wheel of Time lol ... thank god I may see the end of 2 of my favorite ever series (... 3rd fav serie is WH40k Gaunt's Ghosts)
What I like about Berserk is that the Chosen one in this series are the villians of the stories. The heroes in this story are often just people who struggle against the terrible things in this universe. Its a very dark story but the heroes are very broken people who through their efforts and help of their friends survive. Its really quite incredible.
This may be exactly what you meant, but just to piggyback off of your statement, I love that the chosen one in Berserk lore is intentionally destined for evil rather than someone that eventually becomes a villain. Star Wars does the latter, but it’s not nearly as unique a premise because “bringing balance” is portrayed as inherently good whether the chosen one turns to good or evil.
The fact that Berserk could win over Daniel to this degree when he both dropped it once before and is usually more into less dark and heavy fantasy makes me believe that it can be enoyed by almost anyone (who is at least 18) Also: Way for the guy to spoil the biggest turning point in the story for Daniel Also also: Daniel probably already knows this but to anyone reading alongisde him: There is a chapter that follows Griffith during the transformation. It was originally the chapter right after "The feast". Miura asked it to be removed from publication becasue he thought it revealed too much too early, like major world-building stuff. You can find it online if you really want to read it. Just know that it is "not canon" but that it hasnt been contradicted either. Correction: Ok not after the feast as I thought. It’s apparently after "God of The abyss". Regardless, you’ll find it.
Screw whoever thought that their interpretation of a scene was so much better than Daniels that they brought in evidence from future plot points to convince him. Honestly, I think this (5:50) is meant to be an ambiguous scene that can easily be read as Griffith trying to get some comfort in his pathetic, helpless state (him shaking might confirm this) but he is doing so in a creepy and forceful way. The other, far nastier interpretation might only come up on a reread but could also be valid.
I agree with your point on spoilers, but I vehemently disagree with your interpretation. This scene is not meant to be ambiguous at all, what it's meant to do is cast doubt on those who haven't been paying enough attention to Griffith or who have not fully internalized the fact that Guts is going to hate Griffith with every fiber of his being in the future, and to reward those who do understand that Griffith is about to betray them. That said, I don't agree that this scene is an attempted r-word. This scene is Griffith attempting to exert the control he's always had over Casca, Griffith knew that Casca was infatuated with him and practically worshipped him, so in his mind she would willingly give herself to him because that's what he believes she always wanted (which is actually fairly accurate to how she was before she fell in love with Guts). This is clear from the fact that Griffith is not the kind of person who seeks comfort, he seeks control.
Yea that was super fucked up to spoil i was unhappy about that. I wilm say when i first watched that scene in the movies i took it as an attempt r word
I also think the idea was that Casca realized that even if he wanted to he couldn’t get up because of his severed tendons. And him seeing Casca talking to Guts makes him realize that Casca is staying out of pity which makes him try to run out of anger and desperate shame
Hey Daniel! Interesting fact, the Godhand's designs are indeed loosely based and conceptually inspired by the Cenobites from Hellraiser (especially their organic, gross, leathery aesthetic). In terms of other Apostles Miura has in the past cited Hieronymus Bosch :)
14:18 Those "Stay Away" calls are directed at Guts and not at the monsters behind him. You can see that when Guts calls out Griffith's name and Griffith is panically trying to crawl away from him. I think the 2 chapters "Back Alley Boy" and "Eclipse" are some of the best chapters in Berserk and give a lot of insight into Griffith's character. I think, in a way, Griffith feels like Guts took everything(even Casca) from him by leaving him the first time and now the only thing he receives in return from Guts is pity. The chapter "Back Alley Boy" starts with Griffith hearing that Guts might abandon Griffith AGAIN. So he tries to flee to his dream of acquiring the castle, but when he falls and breaks his arm, he realizes that this is also now impossible for him and he attempts suicide. After stopping himself and breaking down crying, he does not want Guts to come and pity him again, but that is exactly the kind of expression that is reflected in Griffith's eye when Guts does come and puts his hand on Griffith's shoulder. That is at least my interpretation of that scene.
The fact that he thinks that Guts is the only one that made him forget his dreams, shows us how much respect and love he really had for Guts. How hearthbroken he actually was when he was abondoned. I have read the Golden Age many times over, and I always come to the conclusion that Guts was the only friend Griffith ever had. The only one he trusted and would have sacrificed himself and his ideals for. So Guts having left him and the resentment he has because of that, is the major reason for the eclipse happening. It started Griffiths downfall and it is seeing Guts and knowing how he could be willing to sacrifice his own dreams, given the circumstances, that makes him sacrfice everyone.
And it's specifically Guts's pity- not Guts leaving, not being tortured, not even having his broken bodies shown to his followers, but Guts showing Griffith pity that drives him to ultimate despair. At his core Griffith is a man terrified of being vulnerable to anyone; that's why he does what he does.
@@noahwiener2491 Spoilers for Falcon Arc you know what i realised that's the same kind of fear Ganishka shows towards Griffith and his touch like he's going to lose it all if Griffith touches him I might be reaching but...
Same here. As with the other follow up replies, that's precisely what I think is being said here. And it's done so poetically to boot. Every panel is a story, every story telling a greater story of the moments where the world flipped.
I've always interpreted the moments of Griffith staring at Guts and Casca as him feeling them slip away from him. He's seen how much they've grown and that, even if they have yet to realise it, they don't need him anymore. He feels weak and disempowered so he tries to take little actions to try and claw back that sense of power he's had over the 2 of them this whole time (trying to choke Guts and force himself onto Casca)
5:58 man that spoiler sucks. Hope you still enjoy the series. So far I have not seen to many comments spoiling anything, so over all the community feels very good about this read-along.
That actually really upset me that it was spoiled like… idk it’s up for interpretation and patreon guy literally was like, “THIS IS HOW IT IS!!!” like.. not cool…
Manga as a medium is kinda crazy. In order to be one one of the greats, not only do you have to be a gifted storyteller but also a talented artist. You need to have an understanding of narrative structure as well as being able to move an invisible camera to make a manga page enjoyable to read.
Unless You’re One. Ones only a masterful story teller. I think it doesnt matter if your art is good so long as you’re a great story telller. One is the best example Creator of one punch man and mob psycho btw
Casca's line " Everyone is weak. And so they cling to dreams and other people" is a direct refrence to when Guts and her were talking about him leaving the band of the hawk for the first time. You can see that when they talked about the "Bonfire of Dreams" and Guts put all those thoughts into her head, that they actually stayed with her and changed her way of thought.
That’s such a specific callback but I always miss it because it takes such a long time to come back around! That’s the kind of care that Miura had for this story and these characters.
It's even more than that. It's also about them following Griffiths dream and narratively it is a foreshadowing to what Griffith is about to do. He is at his weakest so he needs to cling to his dream and his people, BUT he can only pick one or the other given his state.
I think that's just a general motif that manifested itself into a particular instance of poignant interaction, like the one you mentioned there. There are more mentions of that theme materialising itself into numerous other seemingly one-off instances of dialogue too, but we all know everything is deliberate by Miura's hand.
I can finally say something I've been holding in since you started, and it's something I realized about the Black Swordsman arc when you started this series. That first arc is important not only because it sets up that we know things are going to end badly, but it also has someone being given the same choice as Griffith, maybe even a better one as Griffith could have lived a content life and the Count was guaranteed to die and be dragged to hell. And the Count refused to sacrifice. It's an incredible reminder, right at the beginning of the series, that Griffith could have always said no, the God Hand put that Behelit in his hand and made him suffer, but he could have said no. That's why Griffith Did Everything Wrong.
Yeah, at the end of the day the Behelits don't control you, YOU choose to become a monster, noone made Griffith do this, noone forced him or mindcontrolled him or manpulated him. HE did this, and he NEEDS to pay for it.
@@sarafontanini7051 to be fair, he WAS manipulated by the fish looking godhand that disguised himself as an old lady in his "vision of who you REALLY are!" (just an illusion by the godhand) to reframe how he saw everything, remember at first he was HORRIFIED when he saw the pile of dead bodies but the godhand made them seem necessary. don't get me wrong, I hate Griffith and he did everything wrong, but I only put 99% of the blame on him not a 100% lol
@@kyleward7417 no its not stop other arc are far better in terms of subtle storytelling and character development of guts unlike golden age where the writing is very clungky and blunt and has terrible side characters (except judeau) and the worst segment in the entire series (Wyalld segment)
Guts is like 18 at the oldest when this happens. I never really thought about it before and it's not until Daniel commented on Griffith and princess Charlotte's age and I was like "Wait he's around the same age as Guts, so 16 maybe give or take one year" that it hit me. I think I always subconsciously thought of him as older because it for some reason made it okay. It was just cope honestly. Because Guts has suffered so much horrible things throughout his life, that the idea that the Eclipse happened whilst he was still a teenager just kind of broke me. And I never thought that a part of Berserk I've known for years could still do that to me. So yeah thanks Daniel, and you're welcome.
guts came to the band of the hawk at 15, spent 3 years there, and then 1 alone. he is 19 at the youngest and maybe 20. i am pretty sure griffith is 2-3 yrs older than guts so 21-23 during the eclipse
it goes to show that Guts will NEVER be a truly functional human being the guy has literally been born,raised and Built for blood,battlefields and warfare it's his literal life it's all he knows. i know everyone wants Guts and Casca to live happily ever after and i do too god damn i want that so damn much however. Guts will NEVER be able to fully leave the life he has behind because it's ALL he knows. Guts is a War Machine born and bred asking Guts to stop fighting is like asking an Assault rifle to stop being a firearm.
@@TheSuperAznPower Contents minor spoilers Casca, Griffith and Guts are all the same age, right now in the latest chapter of berserk all of them are 23 years old, mate. Right now in the story where Daniel is they are supposed to be 20 because there will be a 2 year time skip and then 1 year if then just adventuring If you wanna know the source it's from a guide book made by miura and yes it is considered to be official.
the "four or five angels" story is actually more nuanced than just the Godhand because the 5 describe the Godhand, the 4 are another group likely at odds with them who are equally as powerful.
The absolute joy I feel at Daniel realizing the sheer greatness that is Berserk is indescribable. Daniel if your reading this then know that so many of us are so happy to see you loving this series Also after the eclipse I *HIGHLY* recommend that you watch the outtakes for the Berserk Anime. It’s a bit of joy and levity all Berserk fans need after finally becoming a struggler
The inevitability of you knowing what’s gonna happen and watching it happen is exactly in line with the themes of Berserk. The law of causality states that what is meant to happen is already set in stone. So it’s kind of like giving a taste of that law of causality to the reader. Really cool touch.
The moment inside the wagon with Griffith falling onto Casca always felt like to me Griffith trying desperately to manipulate Casca. Griff is terrified that he'll be alone with Casca leaving him with Guts (just like Guts left him before). For years Griffith has used Casca's affection for him to manipulate her into being his loyal right hand, and he's hoping now he can keep her from leaving by giving her what she wanted for so long. This also feels like a parallel to Princess Charlotte, who Griffith asserted control over when he had lost control over Guts. Both of these situations are insanely skeevy, Griffith does not have a normal relationship with power and sex. I'm sorry that you were spoiled for a moment during The Eclipse, I think all you're meant to take from here is that Griffith will try anything to keep Casca from leaving him, this is his only move to manipulate her now that every other part of his body is broken. And Casca would have stayed, but out of pity, which Griffith can't stand. All this is to say I think your original read is on the money, and what comes later is a natural progression of Griffith asserting his new power after becoming, essentially, all powerful.
Yeah, in that scene in the wagon, I also don't think that Griffith was necessarily trying to assault Casca (especially not "successfully" considering I'm pretty sure Griffith knows how messed up his body is at this point.) What I think was happening was Griffith saw Casca being close with Guts outside. Griffith knew that Casca had admired and been in love with him. He felt jealousy because Guts was not only not in the terrible shape Griffith was in but more powerful than ever. On top of that, the woman who was madly devoted to him is now in love with Guts. Griffith knew he had lost everything. So in a desperate attempt to try to get attention from Casca (and take it away from Guts), he falls on top of her, literally throwing himself at her. However instead of her being interested in him (like she used to be) she is disgusted by him and pities him, causing him further anguish.
You mentioned how Griffith never really backed down and was always willing to let people die for the sake of his dream for that is what matters most to him. However we do see a moment when he does this, and I think it's important to note that moment where he let himself have sex with that rich lord in order to get the funds required to keep going. His alternative was to keep fighting and earn money in that way but because at the time the death of the kid still haunted him he did not want to lose more people and so offered his body. I think it's less that he never had a line or didn't play with one enough and more so that he did have a line but that line continuously crushed him mentally for he could not continue baring the burden of caring (as much as he did) for the people that sacrificed themselves for his sake.
while Griffith is your textbook narcissist he is (was) still human at the end of the day and if GRRM has taught me anything in ASOIAF/GOT is that even the most reprehensible deplorable people can have bouts of humanity and kindness. doesn't change who or what they are tho.
Griffith embracing Casca in the wagon was a manipulation tactic, and it worked. She's now willing to take care of him for the rest of her life. Griffith has a moment of clarity later on and realizes he'd HATE that life and we tries to kill himself over it.
Griffith's dedication to moving forward after "resting for too long" makes Guts' words about how he had just stumbled on a stone in his path and would get up and keep moving in time (after their duel) horrifically ironic in retrospect. Griffith sure did move, but what a path indeed....😬
It shouldn't be overlooked that Guts encouraged this at every step of the way, (obviously without realizing where it was headed). Everytime Griffith asked him if he had gone too far, or shouldn't use his men as tools... Guts scoffs and tells him they're all soldiers and know what they signed up for. That they are here only for him, and he shouldn't be asking them for advice. Caska personally kept reassuring Griffith that his dream was priority #1. Griffith, under the pressure of his entire band, felt he always had to win to give meaning to every life that was lost in his service. We see this regression when he sleeps with the pedophile king rather than further risk the lives of his men. Once again, it's Caska that tells him he should absolutely be risking their lives rather than stooping to self sacrifice. Griffith wasn't always this way, he was forged through the idiom "the best intentions pave the road to Hell". He is a runaway freight train that has gained so much weight, speed, and momentum that it can no longer be stopped... and the band has been shoveling the coal the whole time.
@@applegeepedigree When Erwin gives a speech on giving meaning to his fallen comrades before sending everyone to their deaths, hes the hero. But when Griffith does it, it's a different story.
@@Iisrupac Erwin was a commanding officer who hundred percent understood the ramifications of sending those under him to their deaths Griffith DOES NOT. Griffith is the perfect textbook example of a narcissist who is physically incapable of comprehending someone doing something or making a decision and he's NOT a factor. it always has to be about HIM.
I like that you talked about my favourite line from Berserk: a child “bearing their evil and confronting their destiny” is *also* what Guts has been trying to do since the beginning of the golden age. How survivors of abuse - hell, anyone - bear the evil that has happened to them, and how they confront their destiny, is how people process and move forward from their trauma. But it’s also how every evil person in the world is born: bearing the evil that has happened to them and becoming evil in return.
Hey man, thanks for doing these! They'rre always a weekly highlight for me! Also, I always interpreted the exposition dump from the God Hand as them trying to stroke Griffith's ego. From the moment they appear, they start to manipulate and push him into making the sacrifice. Their language is all about how great he is, how he is the chosen one, and how his allies will sacrifice themselves for him. Its all for his benefit.
Everytime someone brings up the Berserk Eclipse or Recaps it in this sort of way on a video, review etc. I just get THE most dreadful, eerie feeling I have ever felt in my entire life, and I think it just speaks volumes to the genius that Kentaro Miura was. RIP Great One
Hey Daniel. Just wanted to say the beginning of your vid convinced me to stop the video and buy all the deluxe volumes of Berserk. Like you I've had the idea that manga wasn't for me but seeing that this has become you favorite series convinced me to give it a shot.
I'm patiently waiting to see you're honest to God expression of this entire eclipse. It made me cry last week, and that's something hard to do when reading.
When I read Berserk years ago. I used a sketchy website. They had the first chapter then it went right to the golden age arc so I skipped the black swordsman arc. I feel like the eclipse becomes two different experiences. People who read the first arc knew Griffith was bad and were patiently waiting for the moment where he went bad. I had no clue he was gonna be this bad when I read it. I knew he wasn't going to be a good guy in all likely hood. His design screamed bad guy to me when I read it. So I was shocked when the eclipse happened. I would probably recommend reading the first arc. It's there for a reason and the author made that decision. But skipping the first arc is a really positive experience as well. Praise One Piece for letting me find this channel. The videos are hilarious.
You’re reads are very accurate. Most of what whatever anyone says to you (or interprets for you) should be ignored (or is outright wrong). Hope you keep reading as you are!
All intrpretations are valid and its supposed to be ambiguous for the msot part. If some arrogant douche is desperately trying to assert their interprtation over yours, then fuck them.
I whole-ly disagree with the access of exposition when the demons pop up. They're immortal beings of evil; this is probably the most fun they have in centuries! That's obviously going to make them pretty talkative.
@@tricko8000 to be fair he got spoiled after making this episode for something that will happen in next one, which sucks, but is much better than getting spoiled about the whole eclipse
OMFG OK DANIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll read Berserk...since it's all you talk about now. There's gotta be something to it, I've been recommended it twice now plus your vids
It's very cool. First volumes aren't the best, but that was a Very young Miura, he was drawing out of his mind already and with had pretty good ideas, It only gets better from there.
Yay!! You finally got there man. It's weird how one of the lowest spots of the Golden age arc is immediately followed with one of the best endings ever to an arc. Berserk is by far my favorite series period. The story telling and artwork combined just make it unmatched imo.
Greeting Daniel, as someone who also just recently started reading bersek, the eclipse has been something I been vaguely familiar with years prior to even starting Berserk and I must say, it was extremely impactful on me. I am currently on chapter 240
IF you haven't already, then look up "The Idea of Evil". Chapter 83. It is taken out of circulation, but it is still canon. The author just thought it showed to much of the workings of the world to early. I re-read Golden Age every year for probably 6 years after first having finished what was of Berserk back then
Thank you EVERYONE for allowing this video to happen. It could have been ruined so goddamn easily. This video has my favourite opening to any review video I've seen. Struggle on Daniel xx
Your dissection of that two-page spread of Casca addressing the last of the Hawks with Guts behind her is why I subbed to this channel. Regardless of when and how many times my opinions and yours differ, it's that piece of analysis and many others that you're able to provide that proved to me you have a great talent for getting into the nuances of fiction and story writing in a way that's enjoyable and informative to the viewer.
Also, a quick clarification on something: I'm pretty sure those guys asking Guts to lead them are the remnants of the Hawks Raiders, who served directly under Guts during the war. So, while Casca would obviously be a better choice for leader, they just have a more direct emotional attachment and sense of loyalty to Guts, which is likely the reason why they're asking him to lead them instead of Casca. EDIT: maybe I should've watched the video for another minute before I wrote this. Yikes, sorry.
Adventure Time season 5 episode 2 has a few different Berk references, I won't say the spoilery one but there's Finn with a robo arm and then the faces in the sky over a hellish landscape. I mean they're coming out of the Lich's pool so not really in the sky but its close
Beautiful articulation of thoughts aside, someone needs to give your editor a raise or something because the music that underpins your commentary sets the tone for what you're saying so well I can feel the emotions I felt when I first read Berserk re-emerge viscerally.
Yeah I keep watching it and it's really magnificent the thought into sound-mixing here. The first song being so poignant and emotionally-resonant then the sudden change to eerie music as you begin to talk about Griffith's descent at 7:20 was spine-chilling.
I am so happy you gave this series another chance! I was also put off from the first chapters of the series and it makes it difficult to recommend when you have to say "the beginning is really rough but it gets better" For the new berserk fans, you have given them a reason to try the series for themselves For the old berserk fans, you've let us relive the excitement of experiencing the series through fresh eyes Thank you
12:30 About this point. The Behilit returning to Griffith purely by destined chance plays largely into the themes of the series. Destiny is a massively important theme in Berserk. Mainly in that destiny seems to favor Griffith and spurn Guts at every turn. Griffith is basically the chosen one of this world, while Guts has been actively defying his destiny (which is pretty much just to die a horrible death) at every turn. The entire conflict between the two after the Golden Age is constantly described as being hopeless for Guts, as he is trying to change the course of destiny itself just to fulfill his own personal desires. Your critique about the Behilit is valid, just know that it does play a part in the overall themes of the series in a big way. Just wanted to point that out. Keep up the good work, Daniel :)
The start of the Eclipse is such an amazing section of writing. It amazes me how it shows all the background forces making themselves known and how it all ties together to weave this intricate story.
12:30 I totally agree, but the theme of "causality" runs throughout the entire series. Berserk takes this trope and interrogates it, most sharply through the contrast of Griffith (destined person) vs Guts (struggles to create his own path in life). It does come off a bit more paint by numbers if only looking at Golden Age arc, but it gets built on more as the series goes on. Definitely a theme to keep an eye on throughout the series.
I started reading Berserk because of your first video. And BOY have I been looking forward to this! I loved reading through Berserk and I can't thank you enough for finally getting me over the wall that was the black swordsman ark which I had been trying to get through several times before.
@@benpuffer7891 Fan scanlations is a thing back then? I thought Berserk formed it's fanbase after the anime came out in the west. Good to know people have been loving it for a long time!
What you seem to still don't get, Daniel, is that in Berserk, destiny (or the flux of casualty) is not a lazy plot device but the central philosophical theme of this opus. Characters, just like in greek tragedies, are trapped in this circle, and Guts' struggle is, ultimately, the struggle of a man fighting against casualty itself, the struggle of a normal human against the most powerful force of the universe. If you read it like that, the behelit appearing in Griffith's hand is the only thing it could have happened, any other thing would have been impossible until someone manages to break that cycle.
An interesting thing about the demon vs angel thing in Berserk is that it seems there is no difference. In this world ascended beings are these horrific things, which is absolutely terrifying.
@@fredrikfjeld1575 I would agree if we were given an in-depth alternative. I don't think it's a spoiler to say we only see demons/horrid things therefore they are the "divine" /highest tier beings.
I care so much about these characters that in my headcannon, berserk ended several chapters ago. I loved the ending when Guts and Caska shared that kiss under the waterfall and lived happily ever after… so beautiful 🥹
You finally made it to the Eclipse huh? Shit is so disturbing but really shines a light on the Guts we see at the beginning of the series and why he is that way. I am so excited we are about to get a new chapter and that Berserk is being finished by Muira's team.
I have been waiting for this review ever since you started reading berserk. Your comments over the years w/r to dark fantasy were the prime reason. I remember my first time reading the eclipse 16 years ago and it remains one of the most iconic sequences in any series ever. It is a hard sequence to read. It's definitely harder for me now than when I was 15 but it is worth it to understand Guts and Griffith's real relationship. (Casca too ) Lets get to this review. Edit: okay, now that I've seen it, it's next review that I've been waiting for
Some things I noticed. 1. Casca's character design in Griffith's vision is very reminiscent of the village lady who Wyld... 2. In Griffith's vision with Casca, he has healed but is still very much disabled. Would that child actually be his?
Never knew much about Berserk and I probably shouldn’t have watched this whole video because I am definitely going to check out that story! I think I’m really gonna love the themes and aesthetics Of this series Also, happy pride month dude !
28:10 "that's when the demons take it as consent to begin the sacrifice" - small nitpick here, but it's not until Griffith chooses to say/think "I sacrifice" that they officially have the go ahead to start the sacrifice
@@stefvanroey8191 nah they just waiting on orders from higher authority cuz they know they gonna get they ass whoop if they defy the godhand. Wyald is a prime example of this, he done fucked up on so many levels. The only true chads in berk are Guts and a small handful of others, all the demons are the antithesis of consent
I really love these every week, thanks for making them. An explanation for why people really defend Griffith are for multiple reasons. Less critical analysis of the text and the fact that a lot of people were introduced to the story through the 1997 anime and the 2012 movies, which only really adapts the Golden Age Arc. This means people don’t get the context with Hawk Masked Monster and the armoured helmet of Griffith. This means they don’t have the added bias when going into the Golden Age arc and therefore don’t see a lot of the bad of Griffith. Also people often end up seeing Griffith better when not critically analysing the story for whatever reason, I did to on my first reading.
I'll defend a lot (note: not all) of pre-Eclipse Griffith's actions/decisions both on their own merit and also because it makes the moment of betrayal during the Eclipse cut that much deeper.
Yeah, since the anime skips the Black Swordsmman, this last part is a surprise, a twist, a downfall... as opposed to the manga where you know from the start that its an inevitabilty and the scale of what is going to come. Personally I prefer the out of nowhere surprise of it all, it makes it that much more shocking when theres very little presence of the demons earlier on... but having the dread built in from the getgo surely has its merits too.
@@robbybevard8034 It skips 90 percent of the black swordsman arc. You’re still told that Griffith is Femto in the beginning. Do you mean the golden age movies?
@@deeta000 Nope, it doesn't. It says vaguely that "Griffith is King" (which would obviously have been an issue if the series had continued and need to be adressed) and Guts is looking for him, but it doesn't give any hints at all about the Eclipse or his transformation. It certainly doesn't *show* him. WIth *end of series* knowledge you can piece together more than that, including why he's the boss of the snake demon, but first time through that doesn't register. And its such a throwaway single line, half mentioned in the background and without you yet associating the name Griffith with anything, that on a first watch at least, its very very easy to forget about by the time you get to the end. You'll maybe remember that Guts is messed up and missing an eye and an arm and maybe that he has a beef with Griffith, but you don't know where along the way he loses those things until you're at the end. My first time watching it I thought he was going to lose his eye during the 100 man fight, for instance.
8:14 I believe it's less to do with strength and more of what Judeau said before. These guys, they're peasants and warriors, but even they don't have the heart to ask Casca for more. And the only three leaders are Griffith, who's... Yeah, Casca, who Judeau requested them to not ask for anymore, and Guts, who while brash is also the last remaining option for them.
I think the scenes between Casca and Griffith shows that he was having doubts about his dream. This entire time he could've simply settled down with Casca and had a family, remained friends with Guts and the other members of the band, and just lived a peaceful life. His "dream" led him into becoming crippled and mute for life, and seeing Guts and Casca together probably caused some part of him to realize what he could've had. Him trying to climb on top of her I think was just a desperate attempt to recapture that possibility of a peaceful, quiet life that was lost to him.
I think the way you pace these is best. While many commenters might have good ideas for stopping points, but I also think those points might work better for, like, book club discussions with other people - not for a single person talking about that much content. Not to mention, you've been doing this review thing for a while, and I trust you to know when you have enough to talk about/feel good to stop for a week. This was a great review. Everyone seems to be excited for you to read these chapters - but I'm excited for what comes after. The Arcs post Golden Age/Eclipse are where I, personally really fell in love with Berserk.
I would like to say that behelits are a superior mythical evil objects than even LOTR rings or the one ring, since its driven the holder to succumb into the temptation in their lowest moments in time, to enact the sacrifice ritual & become anew. It's the next level of Faustian nightmare object imo. It's also rather sentient & able to joke around LOL
Around 24:30 you mention how you enjoy the way Berserk presents the reader with the eclipse, knowing what Griffith will choose and whether or not it would be better for the reader to still be in doubt about the outcome as they're reading it. This got me thinking that maybe the reader is already given that knowledge to tie in with the theme of causality? The inevitability of Griffith's 'choice' is emphasised by the reader's prior knowledge of the choice, reaffirming the theme of causality through the reading experience. Anyway, just a thought.
Interesting way to look at it! I myself had not taken that perspective on it. Now that you mention it, it seems quite fitting. It does happen to tie in well with what we're presented with
Before Griffith transforms, you have to read the chapter "I want Wings". It explains so much about griffith's character and the overall theme of his arc. It's chapter 83, please for the love of god, read it.
The name of the chapter isnt "I want wings" (but Griffith does say that line indeed in it), its "God of the Abyss (2)", but yeah you are right about the rest
Yea I was exactly the same, as soon as I started reading it, it was all I could think about, I binged the entire thing in no time. But for me it’s not just the best fantasy story, but the best story ever. It’s just amazing, I hope you get up to date soon so you can read this new chapters coming out, because I was just blown away last week with the new chapters.
“Choking” refers to a blockage inside your throat, making it difficult to breathe. Strangulation is when pressure is applied from the outside, cutting off blood vessels and/or airflow in the neck, preventing oxygen from reaching the brain. I've had this knee-jerk reaction to choking vs strangulation ever since I played Borderlands. Same with poison and venom.
@@Sphm-sl6wx pretty much. Bites and stings are venomous like snakes and bees. Poison gets inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin like poison Ivy, hazardous gas and frogs. At the end of the day it's semantics, but you can't forget it once you know the truth.
"Choking" is an accurate word to describe difficulty breathing from a restricted throat. It doesn't require a foreign object, the restriction can be from the pressure of someone's hands on the outside. Strangulation is a little more specific, but choking is not incorrect.
And the Tawny Man trilogy. It’s bloody brilliant how Fitz is humiliated and beaten down so much, but he still gets up. He gets to face much more personal struggles, along with learning how to love again. The trilogy as a whole expands the world of the Realm of the Elderlings to a much larger and alive status as liveship traders did, while also expanding more on the side characters. There’s hardly any side character in these books that don’t change. And to be honest, I don’t think there is a protagonist who gets humiliated more than Fitz.
@@lazycat1278 Really? I always thought Guts is the protagonist that had the most bad shit happened to him. Never seen any other protagonist that gone through as much as Guts.
At this point, I'm not very sure how the Griffith defenders are doing what they do, but hey, you do you. Shite hit the fan pretty quick with the eclipse. Griffith's ambition is pretty much the worst thing to have happened to the falcons (band of the hawks). This part really made me hate the dude and I'm completely on board with Black Swordsman Guts and how he acts. I'm sure you've heard by now that Mori helped Miura during this specific section of the story. I believe I was like 15 when I read this and I was totally not prepared to read through something like this. This is also probably the part most fans were waiting for you to get to. Casca and Guts deserve a hug and years of free therapy after this.
In a normal non-supernatural route Griffith realized that the fulfillment of his ambition would leave a mountain of corpses of his comrades and enemies. During Eclipse he didn't choose a life where he is physically disabled ,always dependent on others for basic life needs, his ambition rotting away , unable to speak, his charisma ,leadership waning away and himself as a broken doll. He chose what naturally came to him.
To be fair, Griffith defenders have been on that grind for far longer than most care to realize. I doubt what's to come is going to change that in the slightest.
This is getting… painful in a good way. Also thank you again to the patrons who help me make sure I catch it all!
also at 20:05... you`re actually right. The panel at 16:53 straight up has sfx that convey the faces below them are screaming/crying. Which makes is that much scarier
Playing through the Dark Souls series before reading Berserk and after reading Berserk is such a different experience. You start noticing so many different inspirations and nods to the series. It truly is incredible. I think it was Dark Souls 2 and Bloodborne where I truly began to notice them as I had not read Berserk when playing through DS3 (which was my first FromSoft game). Yes, they're obviously also still present in Elden Ring along with the obvious homage to Miura.
Daniel listen to me, if ANYONE in the comments says "oh boo hoo Daniel you're being too harsh on Griffith... You're being too judgemental on Griffith..." Don't listen to them. Just be you, say whatever's on your mind, let the dogs keep barking because that is their job as a dog to bark
pretty cool egg expression lol
Have you been told about the "Lost Chapter" yet? I'm not sure if it's included in the deluxe editions. It covers what Griffith experienced during his transformation, and was withheld from future publications because the author decided it was too early to reveal a certain "character"
To whomever spoiled Daniel literally just before he comes to reading it I wish an eternity of wanting to sneeze, but not being able to!
For months we managed to get this far without a critical spoiler, this is the definition of a dick move...
Literally right before the scene happens. Like, come on.
Plz edit your comment. This is also a spoiler.
@@MrHighlySensitive daniel has most likely already read the full eclipse sequence by now
@@sent162 I really hope so, but 16 hours ago he hadn't. I just really really don't want anything else to be spoiler.
And it somehow wasn’t RUclips comments that spoiled him.
fun fact: Koji Mori, the current supervisor of Berk, was a big help to Miura in 1996 for this part and it`s insane visuals. Apparently it took a whole week without leaving the studio
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That is reaaaally good to know. One of my main concerns was that the series would lose teeth in somebody else's hands. Sure many people can do grim and dark well, but berserk is simply fucking cruel. If it doesn't make you feel like somebody took a shit in your soul it's not berserk
The only man who could continue it tbh
Thank you as always for the legitimately insightful and enhancing contributions…Big D Donny
Also from his own manga Holyland, he is great at writing characters with depth which is one of the more important aspects of Berserk.
For anyone who is starting Berserk who knows people who've already read Berserk, The Eclipse is the event all of us who've read the manga are waiting for you to reach because only then will you truly understand the reason behind The Golden Age arc.
I have been anticipating this video for 2 weeks. Daniel, i hope you know you wrecked me emotionally twice by reviewing those few filler arcs before getting here. But man the wait was worth it.
The eclipse is literally the reason I started reading and when I got there, I was not disappointed. Everything. came. together.
@@themandlaziman My brother got me to read Berserk. I'm not a big Manga reader but he is. After getting into Volume 3 or 4, I told him I'm digging the story. His response: Just wait til you get to The Eclipse.
@@duser Same. I enjoy Daniel's take on things, particularly Berserk. I've been waiting for him to reach this point. We're about to see a very sad goblin in the next video.
@@duser I was hoping for this moment when Daniel started this serie of reviews and I was praying to the god of hand... that Daniel would continue to that point, hoping he'd get to the golden age to get hooked on the story. Japanese culture has a very different view on horror (who does not know the ring ? - japanese version)... I usually dislike horror genre but japanese make it ... nearly poetic for the good stuff (Mermaid's forest, Elfen Lied, Tokyo Ghoul...). Been reading Berserk since around the end of the 90s I think... at that time I was wondering what serie would end first, Berserk or Wheel of Time lol ... thank god I may see the end of 2 of my favorite ever series (... 3rd fav serie is WH40k Gaunt's Ghosts)
Daniel has put his grasses on, but everything was wong.
Tell me why
Tell me why
Terll me whatch yuu warnnt
I don't know why
Don't know why
It’s too late, it’s too late
Even motha will show you nother way
What I like about Berserk is that the Chosen one in this series are the villians of the stories. The heroes in this story are often just people who struggle against the terrible things in this universe. Its a very dark story but the heroes are very broken people who through their efforts and help of their friends survive. Its really quite incredible.
Daniel literally had a skit about wanting this exact scenario, where the chosen one is actually evil.
This may be exactly what you meant, but just to piggyback off of your statement, I love that the chosen one in Berserk lore is intentionally destined for evil rather than someone that eventually becomes a villain. Star Wars does the latter, but it’s not nearly as unique a premise because “bringing balance” is portrayed as inherently good whether the chosen one turns to good or evil.
Whan you realizes that the god and apostle's aren't demons. They are fucking angles
@@yuvalgabay1023 acute or obtuse angles?
@@_Amit_Sunil the are created by god. He's hand in the world. His indirect servent. Littlery angel's. Just the god in berserk. Isn't a good one
The fact that Berserk could win over Daniel to this degree when he both dropped it once before and is usually more into less dark and heavy fantasy makes me believe that it can be enoyed by almost anyone (who is at least 18)
Also: Way for the guy to spoil the biggest turning point in the story for Daniel
Also also: Daniel probably already knows this but to anyone reading alongisde him: There is a chapter that follows Griffith during the transformation. It was originally the chapter right after "The feast". Miura asked it to be removed from publication becasue he thought it revealed too much too early, like major world-building stuff. You can find it online if you really want to read it. Just know that it is "not canon" but that it hasnt been contradicted either.
Correction: Ok not after the feast as I thought. It’s apparently after "God of The abyss". Regardless, you’ll find it.
actually it goes like 3 chapters afterwards. the feast is chapter 79 and the "lost chapter" is 83.
That chapter that is omitted is chapter number 83 and it comes after the god of abyss not the feast.
@@leeviboman @Alice pbg Thanks for the correction. I got lost counting chapters in my head lol
I think he dropped it twice. I am almost sure he dropped it twice.
I think he should skip the lost chapter. The author removed it because it revealed to much to soon.
Screw whoever thought that their interpretation of a scene was so much better than Daniels that they brought in evidence from future plot points to convince him. Honestly, I think this (5:50) is meant to be an ambiguous scene that can easily be read as Griffith trying to get some comfort in his pathetic, helpless state (him shaking might confirm this) but he is doing so in a creepy and forceful way. The other, far nastier interpretation might only come up on a reread but could also be valid.
I completely agree
I agree with your point on spoilers, but I vehemently disagree with your interpretation. This scene is not meant to be ambiguous at all, what it's meant to do is cast doubt on those who haven't been paying enough attention to Griffith or who have not fully internalized the fact that Guts is going to hate Griffith with every fiber of his being in the future, and to reward those who do understand that Griffith is about to betray them. That said, I don't agree that this scene is an attempted r-word. This scene is Griffith attempting to exert the control he's always had over Casca, Griffith knew that Casca was infatuated with him and practically worshipped him, so in his mind she would willingly give herself to him because that's what he believes she always wanted (which is actually fairly accurate to how she was before she fell in love with Guts). This is clear from the fact that Griffith is not the kind of person who seeks comfort, he seeks control.
Yea that was super fucked up to spoil i was unhappy about that.
I wilm say when i first watched that scene in the movies i took it as an attempt r word
I also think the idea was that Casca realized that even if he wanted to he couldn’t get up because of his severed tendons. And him seeing Casca talking to Guts makes him realize that Casca is staying out of pity which makes him try to run out of anger and desperate shame
Ikr it's like they think they can analyze the story better but in reality it's just because they're farther ahead
"The beauty within the horror" is such an apt description of Berserk.
Or the horror within the beauty in the case of Griffith
"Give us a sexy male demon"
Why do you think they wanted Griffith?
Hey Daniel! Interesting fact, the Godhand's designs are indeed loosely based and conceptually inspired by the Cenobites from Hellraiser (especially their organic, gross, leathery aesthetic). In terms of other Apostles Miura has in the past cited Hieronymus Bosch :)
Came to make sure this was already said!
@@rainrobrowedaciousfirewood7898 Same
I believe Void also has origins of looking like the Martians from Mars Attacks
@@mettaguts4292 oh wow he really does loool 😂
@@mettaguts4292 Why can't I unsee this comment...never the same now lol
14:18 Those "Stay Away" calls are directed at Guts and not at the monsters behind him. You can see that when Guts calls out Griffith's name and Griffith is panically trying to crawl away from him. I think the 2 chapters "Back Alley Boy" and "Eclipse" are some of the best chapters in Berserk and give a lot of insight into Griffith's character. I think, in a way, Griffith feels like Guts took everything(even Casca) from him by leaving him the first time and now the only thing he receives in return from Guts is pity. The chapter "Back Alley Boy" starts with Griffith hearing that Guts might abandon Griffith AGAIN. So he tries to flee to his dream of acquiring the castle, but when he falls and breaks his arm, he realizes that this is also now impossible for him and he attempts suicide. After stopping himself and breaking down crying, he does not want Guts to come and pity him again, but that is exactly the kind of expression that is reflected in Griffith's eye when Guts does come and puts his hand on Griffith's shoulder. That is at least my interpretation of that scene.
The fact that he thinks that Guts is the only one that made him forget his dreams, shows us how much respect and love he really had for Guts. How hearthbroken he actually was when he was abondoned. I have read the Golden Age many times over, and I always come to the conclusion that Guts was the only friend Griffith ever had. The only one he trusted and would have sacrificed himself and his ideals for. So Guts having left him and the resentment he has because of that, is the major reason for the eclipse happening. It started Griffiths downfall and it is seeing Guts and knowing how he could be willing to sacrifice his own dreams, given the circumstances, that makes him sacrfice everyone.
@@fredrikfjeld1575 As they both themselves say: "Why do I always see these things.. after they're done and gone..."
And it's specifically Guts's pity- not Guts leaving, not being tortured, not even having his broken bodies shown to his followers, but Guts showing Griffith pity that drives him to ultimate despair. At his core Griffith is a man terrified of being vulnerable to anyone; that's why he does what he does.
@@noahwiener2491 Spoilers for Falcon Arc
you know what i realised that's the same kind of fear Ganishka shows towards Griffith and his touch like he's going to lose it all if Griffith touches him
I might be reaching but...
Same here. As with the other follow up replies, that's precisely what I think is being said here. And it's done so poetically to boot. Every panel is a story, every story telling a greater story of the moments where the world flipped.
I've always interpreted the moments of Griffith staring at Guts and Casca as him feeling them slip away from him. He's seen how much they've grown and that, even if they have yet to realise it, they don't need him anymore. He feels weak and disempowered so he tries to take little actions to try and claw back that sense of power he's had over the 2 of them this whole time (trying to choke Guts and force himself onto Casca)
I have the same interpretation and when the eclipse happens he demonstrated his newly found power over them by…. Well you know
5:58 man that spoiler sucks. Hope you still enjoy the series. So far I have not seen to many comments spoiling anything, so over all the community feels very good about this read-along.
my experience i also had been spoiled about griffith raping casca but it still was heavy and made me pause the reading for a bit
We must be the most courteous youtube comments section ever if it was one of his patreons that ended up spoiling something instead of us.
hope whoever spoiled him on patreon was banned
@@Grimmers
My thoughts exactly. It doesn’t seem to have ruined his experience, but still that sucks.
That actually really upset me that it was spoiled like… idk it’s up for interpretation and patreon guy literally was like, “THIS IS HOW IT IS!!!” like.. not cool…
Manga as a medium is kinda crazy. In order to be one one of the greats, not only do you have to be a gifted storyteller but also a talented artist. You need to have an understanding of narrative structure as well as being able to move an invisible camera to make a manga page enjoyable to read.
Unless You’re One. Ones only a masterful story teller. I think it doesnt matter if your art is good so long as you’re a great story telller. One is the best example
Creator of one punch man and mob psycho btw
Casca's line " Everyone is weak. And so they cling to dreams and other people" is a direct refrence to when Guts and her were talking about him leaving the band of the hawk for the first time. You can see that when they talked about the "Bonfire of Dreams" and Guts put all those thoughts into her head, that they actually stayed with her and changed her way of thought.
That’s such a specific callback but I always miss it because it takes such a long time to come back around! That’s the kind of care that Miura had for this story and these characters.
It's even more than that.
It's also about them following Griffiths dream and narratively it is a foreshadowing to what Griffith is about to do.
He is at his weakest so he needs to cling to his dream and his people, BUT he can only pick one or the other given his state.
I think that's just a general motif that manifested itself into a particular instance of poignant interaction, like the one you mentioned there. There are more mentions of that theme materialising itself into numerous other seemingly one-off instances of dialogue too, but we all know everything is deliberate by Miura's hand.
I can finally say something I've been holding in since you started, and it's something I realized about the Black Swordsman arc when you started this series. That first arc is important not only because it sets up that we know things are going to end badly, but it also has someone being given the same choice as Griffith, maybe even a better one as Griffith could have lived a content life and the Count was guaranteed to die and be dragged to hell. And the Count refused to sacrifice. It's an incredible reminder, right at the beginning of the series, that Griffith could have always said no, the God Hand put that Behelit in his hand and made him suffer, but he could have said no. That's why Griffith Did Everything Wrong.
Yeah, at the end of the day the Behelits don't control you, YOU choose to become a monster, noone made Griffith do this, noone forced him or mindcontrolled him or manpulated him. HE did this, and he NEEDS to pay for it.
@@sarafontanini7051 FAXX
@@sarafontanini7051 to be fair, he WAS manipulated by the fish looking godhand that disguised himself as an old lady in his "vision of who you REALLY are!" (just an illusion by the godhand) to reframe how he saw everything, remember at first he was HORRIFIED when he saw the pile of dead bodies but the godhand made them seem necessary.
don't get me wrong, I hate Griffith and he did everything wrong, but I only put 99% of the blame on him not a 100% lol
"One of my new favorite fantasies of all time" Oh man Daniel, it only gets better from here! Hope you enjoy it!
Well, Berserk is Berserk, what can we say?🤷🏼♂️haha
Except for the part it doesn't. After Golden age it feels more of a overstretched story which lost it's purpose
@@kyleward7417 huh?
@@kyleward7417 no its not stop other arc are far better in terms of subtle storytelling and character development of guts unlike golden age where the writing is very clungky and blunt and has terrible side characters (except judeau) and the worst segment in the entire series (Wyalld segment)
@@QuantumtestGaming oh come on. The bawks are better side characters than what gust have now. Except farness and shierke
Guts is like 18 at the oldest when this happens. I never really thought about it before and it's not until Daniel commented on Griffith and princess Charlotte's age and I was like "Wait he's around the same age as Guts, so 16 maybe give or take one year" that it hit me. I think I always subconsciously thought of him as older because it for some reason made it okay. It was just cope honestly. Because Guts has suffered so much horrible things throughout his life, that the idea that the Eclipse happened whilst he was still a teenager just kind of broke me. And I never thought that a part of Berserk I've known for years could still do that to me. So yeah thanks Daniel, and you're welcome.
guts came to the band of the hawk at 15, spent 3 years there, and then 1 alone. he is 19 at the youngest and maybe 20. i am pretty sure griffith is 2-3 yrs older than guts so 21-23 during the eclipse
@@TheSuperAznPower this. They’re all in their late teens early 20s
it goes to show that Guts will NEVER be a truly functional human being the guy has literally been born,raised and Built for blood,battlefields and warfare it's his literal life it's all he knows. i know everyone wants Guts and Casca to live happily ever after and i do too god damn i want that so damn much however. Guts will NEVER be able to fully leave the life he has behind because it's ALL he knows. Guts is a War Machine born and bred asking Guts to stop fighting is like asking an Assault rifle to stop being a firearm.
@@TheSuperAznPower
Contents minor spoilers
Casca, Griffith and Guts are all the same age, right now in the latest chapter of berserk all of them are 23 years old, mate.
Right now in the story where Daniel is they are supposed to be 20 because there will be a 2 year time skip and then 1 year if then just adventuring
If you wanna know the source it's from a guide book made by miura and yes it is considered to be official.
the "four or five angels" story is actually more nuanced than just the Godhand because the 5 describe the Godhand, the 4 are another group likely at odds with them who are equally as powerful.
I love how fast shit hits the fan when Griffith does his thing. it went from 20 to 100 real fast and stayed 100 for a long time.
The absolute joy I feel at Daniel realizing the sheer greatness that is Berserk is indescribable.
Daniel if your reading this then know that so many of us are so happy to see you loving this series
Also after the eclipse I *HIGHLY* recommend that you watch the outtakes for the Berserk Anime. It’s a bit of joy and levity all Berserk fans need after finally becoming a struggler
The inevitability of you knowing what’s gonna happen and watching it happen is exactly in line with the themes of Berserk. The law of causality states that what is meant to happen is already set in stone. So it’s kind of like giving a taste of that law of causality to the reader. Really cool touch.
The moment inside the wagon with Griffith falling onto Casca always felt like to me Griffith trying desperately to manipulate Casca.
Griff is terrified that he'll be alone with Casca leaving him with Guts (just like Guts left him before). For years Griffith has used Casca's affection for him to manipulate her into being his loyal right hand, and he's hoping now he can keep her from leaving by giving her what she wanted for so long. This also feels like a parallel to Princess Charlotte, who Griffith asserted control over when he had lost control over Guts.
Both of these situations are insanely skeevy, Griffith does not have a normal relationship with power and sex. I'm sorry that you were spoiled for a moment during The Eclipse, I think all you're meant to take from here is that Griffith will try anything to keep Casca from leaving him, this is his only move to manipulate her now that every other part of his body is broken. And Casca would have stayed, but out of pity, which Griffith can't stand. All this is to say I think your original read is on the money, and what comes later is a natural progression of Griffith asserting his new power after becoming, essentially, all powerful.
Yeah, in that scene in the wagon, I also don't think that Griffith was necessarily trying to assault Casca (especially not "successfully" considering I'm pretty sure Griffith knows how messed up his body is at this point.)
What I think was happening was Griffith saw Casca being close with Guts outside. Griffith knew that Casca had admired and been in love with him. He felt jealousy because Guts was not only not in the terrible shape Griffith was in but more powerful than ever. On top of that, the woman who was madly devoted to him is now in love with Guts. Griffith knew he had lost everything. So in a desperate attempt to try to get attention from Casca (and take it away from Guts), he falls on top of her, literally throwing himself at her. However instead of her being interested in him (like she used to be) she is disgusted by him and pities him, causing him further anguish.
You mentioned how Griffith never really backed down and was always willing to let people die for the sake of his dream for that is what matters most to him. However we do see a moment when he does this, and I think it's important to note that moment where he let himself have sex with that rich lord in order to get the funds required to keep going. His alternative was to keep fighting and earn money in that way but because at the time the death of the kid still haunted him he did not want to lose more people and so offered his body. I think it's less that he never had a line or didn't play with one enough and more so that he did have a line but that line continuously crushed him mentally for he could not continue baring the burden of caring (as much as he did) for the people that sacrificed themselves for his sake.
while Griffith is your textbook narcissist he is (was) still human at the end of the day and if GRRM has taught me anything in ASOIAF/GOT is that even the most reprehensible deplorable people can have bouts of humanity and kindness. doesn't change who or what they are tho.
Griffith embracing Casca in the wagon was a manipulation tactic, and it worked. She's now willing to take care of him for the rest of her life. Griffith has a moment of clarity later on and realizes he'd HATE that life and we tries to kill himself over it.
Griffith's dedication to moving forward after "resting for too long" makes Guts' words about how he had just stumbled on a stone in his path and would get up and keep moving in time (after their duel) horrifically ironic in retrospect. Griffith sure did move, but what a path indeed....😬
It shouldn't be overlooked that Guts encouraged this at every step of the way, (obviously without realizing where it was headed).
Everytime Griffith asked him if he had gone too far, or shouldn't use his men as tools... Guts scoffs and tells him they're all soldiers and know what they signed up for. That they are here only for him, and he shouldn't be asking them for advice. Caska personally kept reassuring Griffith that his dream was priority #1.
Griffith, under the pressure of his entire band, felt he always had to win to give meaning to every life that was lost in his service. We see this regression when he sleeps with the pedophile king rather than further risk the lives of his men. Once again, it's Caska that tells him he should absolutely be risking their lives rather than stooping to self sacrifice.
Griffith wasn't always this way, he was forged through the idiom "the best intentions pave the road to Hell". He is a runaway freight train that has gained so much weight, speed, and momentum that it can no longer be stopped... and the band has been shoveling the coal the whole time.
@@applegeepedigree wow had not thought about that, just adds even more depth to him
@@applegeepedigree When Erwin gives a speech on giving meaning to his fallen comrades before sending everyone to their deaths, hes the hero. But when Griffith does it, it's a different story.
@@Iisrupac Erwin was a commanding officer who hundred percent understood the ramifications of sending those under him to their deaths Griffith DOES NOT. Griffith is the perfect textbook example of a narcissist who is physically incapable of comprehending someone doing something or making a decision and he's NOT a factor. it always has to be about HIM.
@@applegeepedigree I m disagree
I like that you talked about my favourite line from Berserk: a child “bearing their evil and confronting their destiny” is *also* what Guts has been trying to do since the beginning of the golden age. How survivors of abuse - hell, anyone - bear the evil that has happened to them, and how they confront their destiny, is how people process and move forward from their trauma. But it’s also how every evil person in the world is born: bearing the evil that has happened to them and becoming evil in return.
Lol.. the moon child. It's quite literal.
Hey man, thanks for doing these! They'rre always a weekly highlight for me! Also, I always interpreted the exposition dump from the God Hand as them trying to stroke Griffith's ego. From the moment they appear, they start to manipulate and push him into making the sacrifice. Their language is all about how great he is, how he is the chosen one, and how his allies will sacrifice themselves for him. Its all for his benefit.
Everytime someone brings up the Berserk Eclipse or Recaps it in this sort of way on a video, review etc. I just get THE most dreadful, eerie feeling I have ever felt in my entire life, and I think it just speaks volumes to the genius that Kentaro Miura was. RIP Great One
Goosebumps every time
Hey Daniel. Just wanted to say the beginning of your vid convinced me to stop the video and buy all the deluxe volumes of Berserk. Like you I've had the idea that manga wasn't for me but seeing that this has become you favorite series convinced me to give it a shot.
I'm patiently waiting to see you're honest to God expression of this entire eclipse. It made me cry last week, and that's something hard to do when reading.
When I read Berserk years ago. I used a sketchy website. They had the first chapter then it went right to the golden age arc so I skipped the black swordsman arc. I feel like the eclipse becomes two different experiences. People who read the first arc knew Griffith was bad and were patiently waiting for the moment where he went bad. I had no clue he was gonna be this bad when I read it. I knew he wasn't going to be a good guy in all likely hood. His design screamed bad guy to me when I read it. So I was shocked when the eclipse happened. I would probably recommend reading the first arc. It's there for a reason and the author made that decision. But skipping the first arc is a really positive experience as well. Praise One Piece for letting me find this channel. The videos are hilarious.
Never heard of that opinion on Griffith jumping on casca before
You’re reads are very accurate. Most of what whatever anyone says to you (or interprets for you) should be ignored (or is outright wrong). Hope you keep reading as you are!
All intrpretations are valid and its supposed to be ambiguous for the msot part. If some arrogant douche is desperately trying to assert their interprtation over yours, then fuck them.
I whole-ly disagree with the access of exposition when the demons pop up. They're immortal beings of evil; this is probably the most fun they have in centuries! That's obviously going to make them pretty talkative.
Void's been waiting for this moment for a looong time. He has his script ready and ain't nobody gonna stop him from delivering a flawless performance!
@@CruelusRex Void's probably the eldest of the bunch and probably also just so done with waiting 220 years for another eclipse.
They’ve waited years to yuck it up with some sacrifices.
this section is considered one of the most memorable sections in the entire manga history from how painful yet good it is
When the creepy pasta hits different
These are genuinely highlights of my week, I am so happy you managed to keep these reviews coming and got to this point without getting spoiled
He did get spoiled lol 5:55
@@tricko8000 to be fair he got spoiled after making this episode for something that will happen in next one, which sucks, but is much better than getting spoiled about the whole eclipse
OMFG OK DANIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll read Berserk...since it's all you talk about now. There's gotta be something to it, I've been recommended it twice now plus your vids
It's very cool. First volumes aren't the best, but that was a Very young Miura, he was drawing out of his mind already and with had pretty good ideas, It only gets better from there.
Yay!! You finally got there man. It's weird how one of the lowest spots of the Golden age arc is immediately followed with one of the best endings ever to an arc. Berserk is by far my favorite series period. The story telling and artwork combined just make it unmatched imo.
omg i was not expecting the shark story nor was i expecting to be so invested in it. I wanted to hear more of the shark
Greeting Daniel, as someone who also just recently started reading bersek, the eclipse has been something I been vaguely familiar with years prior to even starting Berserk and I must say, it was extremely impactful on me.
I am currently on chapter 240
IF you haven't already, then look up "The Idea of Evil". Chapter 83. It is taken out of circulation, but it is still canon. The author just thought it showed to much of the workings of the world to early.
I re-read Golden Age every year for probably 6 years after first having finished what was of Berserk back then
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I did read it don’t worry, but I heard a lot of ppl say it is not canon
So it’s a mixed back
I did like it however tbh
@@generalyousif3640 the author, by what I understand, says that it is Canon, just that it showed to much of the lore and story to early.
Thank you EVERYONE for allowing this video to happen.
It could have been ruined so goddamn easily.
This video has my favourite opening to any review video I've seen.
Struggle on Daniel xx
I love this modern review of the epic
Dude the farther you get in to berserk the more you will want that farm ending to be real
Your dissection of that two-page spread of Casca addressing the last of the Hawks with Guts behind her is why I subbed to this channel. Regardless of when and how many times my opinions and yours differ, it's that piece of analysis and many others that you're able to provide that proved to me you have a great talent for getting into the nuances of fiction and story writing in a way that's enjoyable and informative to the viewer.
Also, a quick clarification on something: I'm pretty sure those guys asking Guts to lead them are the remnants of the Hawks Raiders, who served directly under Guts during the war. So, while Casca would obviously be a better choice for leader, they just have a more direct emotional attachment and sense of loyalty to Guts, which is likely the reason why they're asking him to lead them instead of Casca. EDIT: maybe I should've watched the video for another minute before I wrote this. Yikes, sorry.
Adventure Time season 5 episode 2 has a few different Berk references, I won't say the spoilery one but there's Finn with a robo arm and then the faces in the sky over a hellish landscape. I mean they're coming out of the Lich's pool so not really in the sky but its close
He likes Berserk, so unpredictable... THe causality never fails
Beautiful articulation of thoughts aside, someone needs to give your editor a raise or something because the music that underpins your commentary sets the tone for what you're saying so well I can feel the emotions I felt when I first read Berserk re-emerge viscerally.
Yeah I keep watching it and it's really magnificent the thought into sound-mixing here. The first song being so poignant and emotionally-resonant then the sudden change to eerie music as you begin to talk about Griffith's descent at 7:20 was spine-chilling.
UGH I can't believe I have to wait another WEEK, I can't cope with my hype
I am so happy you gave this series another chance! I was also put off from the first chapters of the series and it makes it difficult to recommend when you have to say "the beginning is really rough but it gets better"
For the new berserk fans, you have given them a reason to try the series for themselves
For the old berserk fans, you've let us relive the excitement of experiencing the series through fresh eyes
Thank you
This was just a fantastic review of this section of berserk. Can't wait for next weeks video.
I get the feeling that the broken hilt Guts uses here is what inspired Miyazaki to make the Broken Sword Hilt the starting weapon of Dark Souls...
5:59 just cause someone spoiled you doesn’t mean you need to spoil everyone else. I’m reading along with you and now you’ve spoiled that for me.
12:30
About this point.
The Behilit returning to Griffith purely by destined chance plays largely into the themes of the series. Destiny is a massively important theme in Berserk. Mainly in that destiny seems to favor Griffith and spurn Guts at every turn. Griffith is basically the chosen one of this world, while Guts has been actively defying his destiny (which is pretty much just to die a horrible death) at every turn. The entire conflict between the two after the Golden Age is constantly described as being hopeless for Guts, as he is trying to change the course of destiny itself just to fulfill his own personal desires. Your critique about the Behilit is valid, just know that it does play a part in the overall themes of the series in a big way.
Just wanted to point that out. Keep up the good work, Daniel :)
you just can’t deny, even with how dark this section of the story gets it is seriously epic
Saw the uncensored version, now I’m here for the RUclips version! Thank you Daniel for your effort in getting us quality content!
The start of the Eclipse is such an amazing section of writing. It amazes me how it shows all the background forces making themselves known and how it all ties together to weave this intricate story.
12:30 I totally agree, but the theme of "causality" runs throughout the entire series. Berserk takes this trope and interrogates it, most sharply through the contrast of Griffith (destined person) vs Guts (struggles to create his own path in life). It does come off a bit more paint by numbers if only looking at Golden Age arc, but it gets built on more as the series goes on. Definitely a theme to keep an eye on throughout the series.
Incredibly well made video. One of my favorites on your channel.
I’m now imagining Daniel reacting to all his prior statements about berserk before this series 😂
I started reading Berserk because of your first video. And BOY have I been looking forward to this!
I loved reading through Berserk and I can't thank you enough for finally getting me over the wall that was the black swordsman ark which I had been trying to get through several times before.
Always good to see Berserk get the respect it deserves. I remember reading this like 20 years ago and trying to convince friends how amazing it was.
Damn, 20 years ago? You're OG. I was a fan since 2016 and I thought I'm the veteran lol.
@@frog6054 I cheated. I had my hands on fan scanlations before the manga/anime came to the US.
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Fan scanlations is a thing back then? I thought Berserk formed it's fanbase after the anime came out in the west. Good to know people have been loving it for a long time!
Yo wtf this series is absolutely amazing, cant wait for your breakdown of other mangas
What you seem to still don't get, Daniel, is that in Berserk, destiny (or the flux of casualty) is not a lazy plot device but the central philosophical theme of this opus. Characters, just like in greek tragedies, are trapped in this circle, and Guts' struggle is, ultimately, the struggle of a man fighting against casualty itself, the struggle of a normal human against the most powerful force of the universe. If you read it like that, the behelit appearing in Griffith's hand is the only thing it could have happened, any other thing would have been impossible until someone manages to break that cycle.
There is symbolism in the location of each character's curse mark. It is a nice touch that gives depth.
An interesting thing about the demon vs angel thing in Berserk is that it seems there is no difference. In this world ascended beings are these horrific things, which is absolutely terrifying.
It is only the Conviction Ark or with chapter 83 Idea of Evil that they really show the nature of demons. So I would call that a spoiler
@@fredrikfjeld1575 I would agree if we were given an in-depth alternative. I don't think it's a spoiler to say we only see demons/horrid things therefore they are the "divine" /highest tier beings.
I'm also one of those people that think 83 should have been left in lol.
Daniel, gald you're enjoying this series that much, also thanks a lot for your commentaries they've become one thing I look forward to week to week
I care so much about these characters that in my headcannon, berserk ended several chapters ago. I loved the ending when Guts and Caska shared that kiss under the waterfall and lived happily ever after… so beautiful 🥹
I cant stop thinking about the eclypse. It opens up so many things and there is so much to unpack it still puzzles me
You finally made it to the Eclipse huh? Shit is so disturbing but really shines a light on the Guts we see at the beginning of the series and why he is that way. I am so excited we are about to get a new chapter and that Berserk is being finished by Muira's team.
I have been waiting for this review ever since you started reading berserk.
Your comments over the years w/r to dark fantasy were the prime reason.
I remember my first time reading the eclipse 16 years ago and it remains one of the most iconic sequences in any series ever.
It is a hard sequence to read. It's definitely harder for me now than when I was 15 but it is worth it to understand Guts and Griffith's real relationship. (Casca too )
Lets get to this review.
Edit: okay, now that I've seen it, it's next review that I've been waiting for
Some things I noticed.
1. Casca's character design in Griffith's vision is very reminiscent of the village lady who Wyld...
2. In Griffith's vision with Casca, he has healed but is still very much disabled. Would that child actually be his?
@@Samven-r6b this is a spoiler from the future man
I'm ok with the exposition because it feels more for Griffith's sake than anyone else's because he has no idea what's going on either
Yeah, and to the god hand, he’s gonna sacrifice the band anyways so might as well yuck it up with the doomed humans before their inevitable slaughter.
Never knew much about Berserk and I probably shouldn’t have watched this whole video because I am definitely going to check out that story! I think I’m really gonna love the themes and aesthetics Of this series
Also, happy pride month dude !
28:10 "that's when the demons take it as consent to begin the sacrifice" - small nitpick here, but it's not until Griffith chooses to say/think "I sacrifice" that they officially have the go ahead to start the sacrifice
Chad demons realize consent is cool
@@stefvanroey8191 nah they just waiting on orders from higher authority cuz they know they gonna get they ass whoop if they defy the godhand. Wyald is a prime example of this, he done fucked up on so many levels. The only true chads in berk are Guts and a small handful of others, all the demons are the antithesis of consent
Best arc in the history of manga.
I really love these every week, thanks for making them.
An explanation for why people really defend Griffith are for multiple reasons. Less critical analysis of the text and the fact that a lot of people were introduced to the story through the 1997 anime and the 2012 movies, which only really adapts the Golden Age Arc. This means people don’t get the context with Hawk Masked Monster and the armoured helmet of Griffith. This means they don’t have the added bias when going into the Golden Age arc and therefore don’t see a lot of the bad of Griffith.
Also people often end up seeing Griffith better when not critically analysing the story for whatever reason, I did to on my first reading.
I'll defend a lot (note: not all) of pre-Eclipse Griffith's actions/decisions both on their own merit and also because it makes the moment of betrayal during the Eclipse cut that much deeper.
Yeah, since the anime skips the Black Swordsmman, this last part is a surprise, a twist, a downfall... as opposed to the manga where you know from the start that its an inevitabilty and the scale of what is going to come.
Personally I prefer the out of nowhere surprise of it all, it makes it that much more shocking when theres very little presence of the demons earlier on... but having the dread built in from the getgo surely has its merits too.
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It skips 90 percent of the black swordsman arc. You’re still told that Griffith is Femto in the beginning. Do you mean the golden age movies?
@@deeta000 Nope, it doesn't. It says vaguely that "Griffith is King" (which would obviously have been an issue if the series had continued and need to be adressed) and Guts is looking for him, but it doesn't give any hints at all about the Eclipse or his transformation. It certainly doesn't *show* him.
WIth *end of series* knowledge you can piece together more than that, including why he's the boss of the snake demon, but first time through that doesn't register.
And its such a throwaway single line, half mentioned in the background and without you yet associating the name Griffith with anything, that on a first watch at least, its very very easy to forget about by the time you get to the end.
You'll maybe remember that Guts is messed up and missing an eye and an arm and maybe that he has a beef with Griffith, but you don't know where along the way he loses those things until you're at the end.
My first time watching it I thought he was going to lose his eye during the 100 man fight, for instance.
The soft vocals in the background of the end of the video adds to how haunting the Eclipse is!
8:14 I believe it's less to do with strength and more of what Judeau said before. These guys, they're peasants and warriors, but even they don't have the heart to ask Casca for more. And the only three leaders are Griffith, who's... Yeah, Casca, who Judeau requested them to not ask for anymore, and Guts, who while brash is also the last remaining option for them.
Hey man that's how it is
I think the scenes between Casca and Griffith shows that he was having doubts about his dream. This entire time he could've simply settled down with Casca and had a family, remained friends with Guts and the other members of the band, and just lived a peaceful life. His "dream" led him into becoming crippled and mute for life, and seeing Guts and Casca together probably caused some part of him to realize what he could've had. Him trying to climb on top of her I think was just a desperate attempt to recapture that possibility of a peaceful, quiet life that was lost to him.
Watching this makes me remember just how perfectly executed the buildup to the Eclipse is, such a masterclass in dread
I think the way you pace these is best. While many commenters might have good ideas for stopping points, but I also think those points might work better for, like, book club discussions with other people - not for a single person talking about that much content.
Not to mention, you've been doing this review thing for a while, and I trust you to know when you have enough to talk about/feel good to stop for a week.
This was a great review. Everyone seems to be excited for you to read these chapters - but I'm excited for what comes after. The Arcs post Golden Age/Eclipse are where I, personally really fell in love with Berserk.
I started Berserk with the Golden Age... I cheated myself. thanks for filling in the background, colorfully! Great Job!
IT'S HERE BOISSS
Oh boy! It's been so fun watching someone else go down this journey. You're absolutely right: it's very addicting.
I would like to say that behelits are a superior mythical evil objects than even LOTR rings or the one ring, since its driven the holder to succumb into the temptation in their lowest moments in time, to enact the sacrifice ritual & become anew. It's the next level of Faustian nightmare object imo.
It's also rather sentient & able to joke around LOL
Around 24:30 you mention how you enjoy the way Berserk presents the reader with the eclipse, knowing what Griffith will choose and whether or not it would be better for the reader to still be in doubt about the outcome as they're reading it. This got me thinking that maybe the reader is already given that knowledge to tie in with the theme of causality? The inevitability of Griffith's 'choice' is emphasised by the reader's prior knowledge of the choice, reaffirming the theme of causality through the reading experience. Anyway, just a thought.
Interesting way to look at it! I myself had not taken that perspective on it. Now that you mention it, it seems quite fitting. It does happen to tie in well with what we're presented with
Before Griffith transforms, you have to read the chapter "I want Wings". It explains so much about griffith's character and the overall theme of his arc. It's chapter 83, please for the love of god, read it.
The name of the chapter isnt "I want wings" (but Griffith does say that line indeed in it), its "God of the Abyss (2)", but yeah you are right about the rest
Yea I was exactly the same, as soon as I started reading it, it was all I could think about, I binged the entire thing in no time. But for me it’s not just the best fantasy story, but the best story ever. It’s just amazing, I hope you get up to date soon so you can read this new chapters coming out, because I was just blown away last week with the new chapters.
“Choking” refers to a blockage inside your throat, making it difficult to breathe. Strangulation is when pressure is applied from the outside, cutting off blood vessels and/or airflow in the neck, preventing oxygen from reaching the brain.
I've had this knee-jerk reaction to choking vs strangulation ever since I played Borderlands. Same with poison and venom.
you can't leave me hanging. poison and venom?
@@ishanpgupte I think he means how people misuse the 2 terms often just like choking and strangulation. Poison is ingested and venom is injected
@@Sphm-sl6wx pretty much. Bites and stings are venomous like snakes and bees. Poison gets inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin like poison Ivy, hazardous gas and frogs. At the end of the day it's semantics, but you can't forget it once you know the truth.
"Choking" is an accurate word to describe difficulty breathing from a restricted throat. It doesn't require a foreign object, the restriction can be from the pressure of someone's hands on the outside. Strangulation is a little more specific, but choking is not incorrect.
Congratulations brother. You are now a true man of CULTURE! Cheers 🍷
Berserk is such an impactful series. You got to listen to "4 Gatsu" after the eclipse is over.
Plus silver fins. I remember first watching the anime and listening to that lol amazing song makes me feel dread now haha
And the Tawny Man trilogy. It’s bloody brilliant how Fitz is humiliated and beaten down so much, but he still gets up. He gets to face much more personal struggles, along with learning how to love again. The trilogy as a whole expands the world of the Realm of the Elderlings to a much larger and alive status as liveship traders did, while also expanding more on the side characters. There’s hardly any side character in these books that don’t change. And to be honest, I don’t think there is a protagonist who gets humiliated more than Fitz.
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Really? I always thought Guts is the protagonist that had the most bad shit happened to him. Never seen any other protagonist that gone through as much as Guts.
@@frog6054 No, that title really belongs to Ted from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
Been reading along. Amazing to me how much we agree on every beat lol
At this point, I'm not very sure how the Griffith defenders are doing what they do, but hey, you do you. Shite hit the fan pretty quick with the eclipse. Griffith's ambition is pretty much the worst thing to have happened to the falcons (band of the hawks). This part really made me hate the dude and I'm completely on board with Black Swordsman Guts and how he acts. I'm sure you've heard by now that Mori helped Miura during this specific section of the story.
I believe I was like 15 when I read this and I was totally not prepared to read through something like this. This is also probably the part most fans were waiting for you to get to. Casca and Guts deserve a hug and years of free therapy after this.
In a normal non-supernatural route Griffith realized that the fulfillment of his ambition would leave a mountain of corpses of his comrades and enemies. During Eclipse he didn't choose a life where he is physically disabled ,always dependent on others for basic life needs, his ambition rotting away , unable to speak, his charisma ,leadership waning away and himself as a broken doll.
He chose what naturally came to him.
@@anantsjourney Yes, evil naturally came to him, cuz he’s a bad guy
To be fair, Griffith defenders have been on that grind for far longer than most care to realize. I doubt what's to come is going to change that in the slightest.
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Sigma grindset
YEESSSS DANIEL!! "one of my favorite fantasy".... so glad you came around to the beauty of BERSERK
They don't look like AOT Titans, the Titans look like the Berserk giants
I have been dreading this day since you started reading. I'm proud of the community for not spoiling anything. group therapy is at 6pm Friday