As a budding producer your videos are both so so so helpful and also just absolutely terrifying for what I may have to go through in the future haha. your studio looks like a dream btw, congrats!
Could you elaborate on what is was that you didn't like when the room was completetly flat, or probably more interestingly, what was it that you were then chasing in making the room "less flat". Really appreciate the video George, quality as ever. #BetterThanThe56%
Thanks for the amazing videos George. Your approach to just telling things how they are and no bullshit around them is so so refreshing and informational.
Great video man! I had no idea about the different types of rockwool. If you're ever stuck for content all you need to do is watch your videos back. You say "that's probably another video" all the time!
You've been through quite the journey with your studio and you seem so glad to be done with the hardest parts of it . Hope you're enjoying the new workflow !
I can't wait to see more on this and some insight on the ATC's! I don't understand why GIK didn't have you get their bass traps. not the 244's, but the 7 inch monster traps for broadband treatment. Your problem is all in the low frequencies and the only way to touch that is more mass? Although, taking your mezzanine out must have helped the most since your rooms dimensions aren't small, allowing the low frequencies to travel and dissipate a bit better. I'm dealing with a small room and getting to the point where I am over damping possibly. GIK gets a new order just as soon as my current panels are up, that way I don't get overwhelmed. They will last me a lifetime so the sooner I buy in, the more usage I get
Literally, I haven't done room treatment whatsoever because of what you say - everyone tells me to throw stuff up on the wall but I always had this voice in my head saying "yeah but is that all? surely it's far more complicated than that" and it is, thanks for the confirmation and good luck with your mixes George!
Great video man, and something I've been thinking about a LOT lately, so well-timed! Thank you. Also... how many frickin times have you changed monitors?
Speakers I've owned; Adam A7X Macke HR824 MKii Focal Twins Amphion One18 (stuck with these for 6 years) ATC SCM25a (2021) I think thats fairly acceptable? I hope.
Love this man! I think I'm going through a very similar experience. I've setup about 7 rooms at this point, and I the biggest thing I've learned everytime: My previous plan didn't work very well.
george, you did the most amazing sounding album I have heard in my entire life with the "wrong" rockwool on your walls I think ... yeah it's sleep token sundowning :-) and I know the upcoming will be the same no matter what's on your walls and corners!
Thanks man. I’m still proud of that album - however the process of that record was tiring as a result of my space. The outcome was in spite of the acoustical design and feels very lucky now come to think of it. Future records from here are going to be special.
Yeesh. I've been building out my garage as a hobby mixing studio space and I'm terrified of going through this process. I feel bad doing the free GIK thing because I live in Australia and definitely won't be able to afford buying treatment from them. But I think I've come around to the idea of getting free consultation. It's an awkward space, and I'm no professional. I should just take the dive and ask them before I finish building it and make it harder to change later. Thanks for the awesome content!
Hey Man! Great video , I’m a part of the URM academy and watching this was an eye opener. The current space we have is just not great and it’s super cool to see your studio come to life! Shawn Dark Island
It's my dream to have a dedicated studio space one day...right now I am working in a literal bedroom studio, but that has it's advantages... The room came out beautiful, George...it matters very much that you feel comfortable in the space you spend so much time in, and comfort contributes to creativity...I would be very interested in a discussion regarding how the "flat" room sounded and what you didn't like about it as well as some kind of journal detailing your trial and error speaker journey...I just invested a tidy sum in a set of HEDD-07mk2s and their 8" subwoofer (yes, with DSP) and had a moment of regret followed by a moment of clarity regarding what I need from a set of monitors...
I am curious to see how you like the HEDD 07's. I have the first version and after years of use, the problem I have with them is that everything seems too dynamic and punchy all the time. They are too "hyped" if that makes sense, and my mixes don't translate. Perhaps closing the ports would help with that? (If I had that option)
Definitely looking forward to your next videos regarding these topics. Your lessons learned here are such a huge help and I also just thoroughly enjoy watching your content. Thanks George!
Really great video. I wish I could buck up the courage to contact a professional... But I'm in love with headphone mixing for the time being, it just works. And, I'll never nail the all-in-one room for both drum tracking and monitoring, so there's very little point for me to throw money at it when I'm happy with the acoustic performance of the room for drum tracking
This is really fantastic information. I have fought with sonar works off and on as i also had some large 8-12 DB cuts and moves that left the music i was listening to really odd. I am not a professional mixer... i make youtube videos for fun, and play guitar, but I still wanted a treated room. I do wish i had contacted GIK from the start instead of buying what i THOUGHT i needed from another vendor. This won't be my last "studio" so... i will be checking them out next time.
Another solution is to choose converters that offer time alignment on the outputs. Merging Technologies offer this as well as EQ on all outputs, with no latency. Made tuning my room a breeze, without having to search for different monitors/sub that had onboard DSP. But I do understand that swapping converters, and changing companies/protocol is a big move in itself. Just something to note as an alternative for people earlier in the process. Awesome video!
Thats great i say thankyou,i m doing everything on headphones and in ears,and was thinking about some speakers and treatment, but now i should start thinking how to do diy properly in order to not regret after a year or so!! I would actually love to see more in depth of this ,like u were saying in the end!
Really helpful info! Thanks George! Fantastic work on the Sleep Token music, I've had Sundowning on repeat for about a week & can't stop listening to it. Wishing you good times & more of that #mezzaninemagic on your future projects!
Please go into depth about the change. Go into the process of RT60 and about all your speakers you tried out and what your pros and cons to each pair were. ❤
Killer Setup, George! Would love to hear your thoughts on the ATCs, since I'm thinking about switching to the Scm25s from my Amphion One18s. What made you switching speakers??
Love this George thank you. Would love to know more detail on specific acoustic problems you were having and how you solved them. I've built some panels for my mix space and while they have done a lot to improve the reflections, I am a long way from perfect.
Nice video man. A lot of people (including myself) struggle with this every day! Would be good to see your sonar curve with the new set up so we can see the change.
Already said this with someone else but I’ll write it again I don’t mind :) I’m not using sonarworks now - I’ve fallen in love with the space as it sounds naturally. Which is a nice freedom to be afforded.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 What I meant was, it would be good to see the new measurement on the sonar software. Not for you to actually use, but for us to see the old frequency responses (in the un corrected room) vs the new response curve (in the corrected room). If your room correction had worked, we would see a much flatter response curve.
Mr. Lever: you are the best producer and mixing engineer today. How did you get the vocal effect in “Fall for Me” by Sleep Token. Absolutely brilliant.
Thanks George, It would be cool to see what your new sonarworks curve looks like now. The URM FB would probably be interested in the before and after too. plus - Any chance of a sleep token NTM for album release? Thanks again mate.
I haven’t done sonarworks since the update. I ended up falling in love with the room after all the improvements :) Sleep token NTM won’t ever happen I don’t think. There’s something more exciting on the horizon anyway ;)
@@GeorgeLeverG1 Modest. Much respect for your Production rescue btw, Quite a vulnerable thing to show, We all get a lot from it and was funny. Thank you. Have a great evening mate.
Involving an acoustic consultant is the best thing i ever did for my room, but one of the worst things i did to my wallet. And i'm going to do it all again since i'm moving houses and my working space this november. I'm looking forward to it and dreading it at the same time. In my current room there's about 6 CUBIC meters of rockwool, which i bought second hand and had no packaging. i really don't want to deal with that again. On the other hand, i've learned from this room and will do even better on the new one. Q's: How much does the pointy roof and the roof construction affect the acoustics? Did it make the acoustic design a lot more complicated than a room with a flat ceiling?
Having the angled roof made finding the sweet spot for the speakers very hard. However when using a sub and being able to time that sub. It became a more straight forward process. Just had to take a lot of sweeps and make notes haha. I hope your new room goes well!
@@GeorgeLeverG1 I've had the same thing here: Somehow the height of the speakers is critical in this room, i'm suspecting the slanted roof. And those sweeps, man.... hundreds of them i did and hundreds i will do again. Thanks for your response man!
I wanted to hear more about the room 😂✌️ for future reference.. rn I'm mainly mixing on headphones cause: I don't have monitors, I use a pair of old sony bookshelf speakers(1) and it's a makeshift 4x6 room made with reused aluminium n cement sheets so the treatment is homemade n cheap Amazon foams (2). I do recording and mixing for the local rappers in my area. Shites I'm rambling, sorry. 🙏
Curves are one point of information but aren’t the most important thing when considering all aspects. The room is, however. Now +/- 2.5db the whole way through. For reference.
I've been dreading the fact that deep down, I know it's worth investing in some professional help - so thanks for the kick in the butt! I'd love to see your frequency response now!!
It takes you way too long to get to your point which resulted in me. Turning off the video. I think you would get better results if your videos were much shorter I mean no disrespect.
As a budding producer your videos are both so so so helpful and also just absolutely terrifying for what I may have to go through in the future haha.
your studio looks like a dream btw, congrats!
Yes please. A speakers video would be appreciated. Talked to Mike Major before at GIK - suuuper helpful, cool guy.
Could you elaborate on what is was that you didn't like when the room was completetly flat, or probably more interestingly, what was it that you were then chasing in making the room "less flat". Really appreciate the video George, quality as ever.
#BetterThanThe56%
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Thanks for the amazing videos George. Your approach to just telling things how they are and no bullshit around them is so so refreshing and informational.
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Awesome video! Please share the details on another video about the setup! Your room looks great!
I always learn something with your videos! great job love the b roll :D cheers George
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Definitely keen to see more on this
Great video man! I had no idea about the different types of rockwool. If you're ever stuck for content all you need to do is watch your videos back. You say "that's probably another video" all the time!
You've been through quite the journey with your studio and you seem so glad to be done with the hardest parts of it . Hope you're enjoying the new workflow !
I can't wait to see more on this and some insight on the ATC's!
I don't understand why GIK didn't have you get their bass traps. not the 244's, but the 7 inch monster traps for broadband treatment. Your problem is all in the low frequencies and the only way to touch that is more mass? Although, taking your mezzanine out must have helped the most since your rooms dimensions aren't small, allowing the low frequencies to travel and dissipate a bit better.
I'm dealing with a small room and getting to the point where I am over damping possibly. GIK gets a new order just as soon as my current panels are up, that way I don't get overwhelmed. They will last me a lifetime so the sooner I buy in, the more usage I get
Literally, I haven't done room treatment whatsoever because of what you say - everyone tells me to throw stuff up on the wall but I always had this voice in my head saying "yeah but is that all? surely it's far more complicated than that" and it is, thanks for the confirmation and good luck with your mixes George!
Great video man, and something I've been thinking about a LOT lately, so well-timed! Thank you. Also... how many frickin times have you changed monitors?
Speakers I've owned;
Adam A7X
Macke HR824 MKii
Focal Twins
Amphion One18 (stuck with these for 6 years)
ATC SCM25a (2021)
I think thats fairly acceptable? I hope.
Great job on "This Place Will Become Your Tomb" ! Was this album done in the new studio?
Shout out for that sick Killing The Dream print...that band is incredible!
Wicked video once again George!❖❖
Glad you enjoyed it
If it sounds as good as it looks man Im sure your new records will sound amazing. Best of luck with it all.
Love this man! I think I'm going through a very similar experience. I've setup about 7 rooms at this point, and I the biggest thing I've learned everytime:
My previous plan didn't work very well.
Great video man! I`m in the same fight as you.. Trying to fix my room.. eheh Next video about the monitors?!
Looking forward to listening to your new mixes in comparison to some older stuff.
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This value of this video is priceless, thank you SO MUCH mate
george, you did the most amazing sounding album I have heard in my entire life with the "wrong" rockwool on your walls I think ... yeah it's sleep token sundowning :-) and I know the upcoming will be the same no matter what's on your walls and corners!
Thanks man. I’m still proud of that album - however the process of that record was tiring as a result of my space. The outcome was in spite of the acoustical design and feels very lucky now come to think of it. Future records from here are going to be special.
Yeesh. I've been building out my garage as a hobby mixing studio space and I'm terrified of going through this process.
I feel bad doing the free GIK thing because I live in Australia and definitely won't be able to afford buying treatment from them. But I think I've come around to the idea of getting free consultation. It's an awkward space, and I'm no professional. I should just take the dive and ask them before I finish building it and make it harder to change later.
Thanks for the awesome content!
Hey Man! Great video , I’m a part of the URM academy and watching this was an eye opener. The current space we have is just not great and it’s super cool to see your studio come to life!
Shawn
Dark Island
It's my dream to have a dedicated studio space one day...right now I am working in a literal bedroom studio, but that has it's advantages...
The room came out beautiful, George...it matters very much that you feel comfortable in the space you spend so much time in, and comfort contributes to creativity...I would be very interested in a discussion regarding how the "flat" room sounded and what you didn't like about it as well as some kind of journal detailing your trial and error speaker journey...I just invested a tidy sum in a set of HEDD-07mk2s and their 8" subwoofer (yes, with DSP) and had a moment of regret followed by a moment of clarity regarding what I need from a set of monitors...
Oh, and for the record, I am one of the very few 100% of videos watched category of subscriber...keep up the amazing work, sir...
I am curious to see how you like the HEDD 07's. I have the first version and after years of use, the problem I have with them is that everything seems too dynamic and punchy all the time. They are too "hyped" if that makes sense, and my mixes don't translate. Perhaps closing the ports would help with that? (If I had that option)
Definitely looking forward to your next videos regarding these topics. Your lessons learned here are such a huge help and I also just thoroughly enjoy watching your content. Thanks George!
Glad you like them!
Beautiful studio man. Great video. Hoping to have the space to start building mine soon.
Thank you for these videos!
The mystery behind getting the sub right is super interesting to me.
Really great video. I wish I could buck up the courage to contact a professional... But I'm in love with headphone mixing for the time being, it just works. And, I'll never nail the all-in-one room for both drum tracking and monitoring, so there's very little point for me to throw money at it when I'm happy with the acoustic performance of the room for drum tracking
Unacceptable. I will bully you until you enjoy speakers my love ;)
This is really fantastic information. I have fought with sonar works off and on as i also had some large 8-12 DB cuts and moves that left the music i was listening to really odd. I am not a professional mixer... i make youtube videos for fun, and play guitar, but I still wanted a treated room.
I do wish i had contacted GIK from the start instead of buying what i THOUGHT i needed from another vendor.
This won't be my last "studio" so... i will be checking them out next time.
Another solution is to choose converters that offer time alignment on the outputs. Merging Technologies offer this as well as EQ on all outputs, with no latency. Made tuning my room a breeze, without having to search for different monitors/sub that had onboard DSP. But I do understand that swapping converters, and changing companies/protocol is a big move in itself. Just something to note as an alternative for people earlier in the process. Awesome video!
Great video !!! I can't wait to hear what turned you on ATC's
I always watch the full vid! :) And GIK is amazing!
Looks great man. Been fun to see the journey and excited hear how it affects your mixes.
Thanks for your insight! This is so helpful
I took my gik setup and built my monitors into an attack wall. Sounds great
Thats great i say thankyou,i m doing everything on headphones and in ears,and was thinking about some speakers and treatment, but now i should start thinking how to do diy properly in order to not regret after a year or so!!
I would actually love to see more in depth of this ,like u were saying in the end!
Really helpful info! Thanks George!
Fantastic work on the Sleep Token music, I've had Sundowning on repeat for about a week & can't stop listening to it.
Wishing you good times & more of that #mezzaninemagic on your future projects!
Please go into depth about the change. Go into the process of RT60 and about all your speakers you tried out and what your pros and cons to each pair were. ❤
very informative, thanks George. love your work🖤
about to start my treatment journey
Good luck!
Super interesting as always. Omar Isuf fan?
Omar is the dude!
Killer Setup, George! Would love to hear your thoughts on the ATCs, since I'm thinking about switching to the Scm25s from my Amphion One18s. What made you switching speakers??
That looks so great
Definitely interested in a video on what you opted for instead of a flat room and if there is anything you have to compensate for as a result
Love this George thank you. Would love to know more detail on specific acoustic problems you were having and how you solved them. I've built some panels for my mix space and while they have done a lot to improve the reflections, I am a long way from perfect.
Today I learned that I am better than the majority of people who watch your stuff.
Great video, any tips about what's the best to do for people in low budget ?
Nice video man. A lot of people (including myself) struggle with this every day! Would be good to see your sonar curve with the new set up so we can see the change.
Already said this with someone else but I’ll write it again I don’t mind :) I’m not using sonarworks now - I’ve fallen in love with the space as it sounds naturally. Which is a nice freedom to be afforded.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 What I meant was, it would be good to see the new measurement on the sonar software. Not for you to actually use, but for us to see the old frequency responses (in the un corrected room) vs the new response curve (in the corrected room). If your room correction had worked, we would see a much flatter response curve.
you should make a longer video and just go deeper on the subject. and yes I will eat my vegetable
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#BetterThanTheOthers 🦖
Mr. Lever: you are the best producer and mixing engineer today. How did you get the vocal effect in “Fall for Me” by Sleep Token. Absolutely brilliant.
ah thanks dude - the effect is done using a Vocoder!
Link for mini desk
good shit
Thanks George, It would be cool to see what your new sonarworks curve looks like now. The URM FB would probably be interested in the before and after too. plus - Any chance of a sleep token NTM for album release? Thanks again mate.
I haven’t done sonarworks since the update. I ended up falling in love with the room after all the improvements :)
Sleep token NTM won’t ever happen I don’t think. There’s something more exciting on the horizon anyway ;)
@@GeorgeLeverG1 More exciting - George Lever how its done? : )
@@riptideL not quite. A little too soon in my journey for that.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 Modest. Much respect for your Production rescue btw, Quite a vulnerable thing to show, We all get a lot from it and was funny.
Thank you. Have a great evening mate.
Involving an acoustic consultant is the best thing i ever did for my room, but one of the worst things i did to my wallet. And i'm going to do it all again since i'm moving houses and my working space this november. I'm looking forward to it and dreading it at the same time. In my current room there's about 6 CUBIC meters of rockwool, which i bought second hand and had no packaging. i really don't want to deal with that again. On the other hand, i've learned from this room and will do even better on the new one. Q's: How much does the pointy roof and the roof construction affect the acoustics? Did it make the acoustic design a lot more complicated than a room with a flat ceiling?
Having the angled roof made finding the sweet spot for the speakers very hard. However when using a sub and being able to time that sub. It became a more straight forward process. Just had to take a lot of sweeps and make notes haha.
I hope your new room goes well!
@@GeorgeLeverG1 I've had the same thing here: Somehow the height of the speakers is critical in this room, i'm suspecting the slanted roof. And those sweeps, man.... hundreds of them i did and hundreds i will do again. Thanks for your response man!
Hi George, we've a project we're looking to get mixed. How do we go about contacting you, other than this attempt in a youtube comment, about that?
I wanted to hear more about the room 😂✌️ for future reference.. rn I'm mainly mixing on headphones cause: I don't have monitors, I use a pair of old sony bookshelf speakers(1) and it's a makeshift 4x6 room made with reused aluminium n cement sheets so the treatment is homemade n cheap Amazon foams (2).
I do recording and mixing for the local rappers in my area. Shites I'm rambling, sorry. 🙏
Fantastic!.... would love to see before and after curves etc
Curves are one point of information but aren’t the most important thing when considering all aspects. The room is, however. Now +/- 2.5db the whole way through. For reference.
A sub woofer video would be awesome
What room frequency response curve did you end up liking?
Are you still using some software/hardware room correction?
Not anymore. No.
I've been dreading the fact that deep down, I know it's worth investing in some professional help - so thanks for the kick in the butt!
I'd love to see your frequency response now!!
Wait, don’t those speakers cost $8k!?
I think so. But it’s not the speakers that solved my having a badly treated studio.
Who spends dollars in the U.K.?
Someone who’s demographic audience on RUclips is largely American. 🙃
wanna be my chammak challo
wow, when was the last time you spent $5,000 on me?
I want a divorce.
Give me the album already Tim
@@GeorgeLeverG1 that wasn't part of the prenup, I'll see you in court on the 3rd.
@@DESOLATENY is that before or after you resolve stealing from bring me? Ly xxx
It takes you way too long to get to your point which resulted in me. Turning off the video. I think you would get better results if your videos were much shorter I mean no disrespect.