Well, this is actually not the case for the following simple reason: Greece is not asking for ALL its treasures to be brought back, which believe me, are so many all over the european museums (UK, France, Germany etc). Greece is asking for the Parthenon Marbles, not only because it is the SYMBOL of Athens, but mainly because it is ONE SINGLE MONUMENT that needs to be reunited! You can not have one part here and another part there.
@@littlezit2 According to a research done by two Turkish archeologists a few months ago in the Ottoman records the "firman" given to Elgin was invalid as it was not signed by the Sultan and it was no where to be found in the official government records. Also it was given to him by a Vizier(who he had no permission to do so) and it was written in Italian. The marbles were cut down in a hurry which means he most probably bribed the Vizier.
Of course you should demand them.It's your national heritage.Truly cultured people have to know when to give something back. Just because they saved our marbles it doesn't mean that they own them.
I'm pretty sure the Greeks can keep the friezes in "proper context". They were the ones who actually made them and preserved them for two-thousand years before the Ottomans blew the place up and the British stole them. The Greeks weren't even in power at the time when the documents were made, this is entirely unfair for them.
@Deniz Metin T. Not really, they built on the Acropolis, but they had no where else to store it for strategic purposes, the blame should go to the venetians.
@@trying1407 Why should the blame go to the Venetians? It was the Ottomans that made the Acropolis into the city's main military target. What were the Venetians supposed to do, just surrender and let the Ottomans win?
More like a person who couldn’t care less about their roof tiles blew up their house and someone swooped in to rescue what they could, paid to store and maintain them and now the person who blew up their house wants them back.
@@mazzy_vc More like a guy (Ottomans) takes over your (Greeks) house, then a guy (Venetians) who hates the guy who took over your house blows it up, then another guy (Britons) shows up and really likes those roof tiles so he buys them from the guy who took your house, not caring as he breaks the rest of the roof, then you finally get your house back but the guy who bought the roof tiles from the guy who took your house doesn't want to give the roof tiles back.
‘Can only be viewed in their “context” at the British Museum’ What?! These marbles are Greek, athenic. Without access to a time machine going back 2 millennia how more in context could you get than returning these to Athens? How would they like it if Athens came along and took Nelson from his column at Trafalgar Square and displayed him and the Parthenon?
True, but those who represent you, refuse to return them and your PM refuses even to discuss the matter with the Greek PM. I am aware that many Britons would like to return the sculptures to the Parthenon where they belong.
I'm in the U.S. and would love to see the original statue pieces returned to Greece. I remember visiting Athens years ago and wondering why the Parthenon had significant pieces of the structure in Britain. It makes me pretty mad. It's ridiculous, they belong back with the Greeks in this proper museum.
Thank you. Unfortunately the British have different ideas. They went around the world to vandalise local artefacts to steal bits and pieces for their museums because they have not much to show of their own. They like to display their vandalism for the whole world to see and shame them. Not only they left trouble wherever they went, e.g. Cyprus, Palestine, India, etc, but they also left vandalised local structures that are important parts of the heritage of foreign cultures. VANDALS! THIEVES! TROUBLE MAKERS! SHAME ON YOU! Return the Parthenon sculptures to their rightful owners. Return other artefacts that do not belong to you because you stole them. VANDALS! THIEVES! TROUBLE MAKERS! SHAME ON YOU! This is how you like to be known and we are glad to serve you as you wish. @@GardenMinistry.
So basically the British Museum is saying that the artwork has been stolen for so long that Greece shouldn't mind that they keep the stolen artifacts that clearly belong in & to Greece...
Sandra G Yes. The British can replicate the artwork which needs to be done anyway to fully envision the already destroyed pieces. This would give their museum what it really needs. The sentimental value is simply a ripoff that should be in Athens. People want to visit the parthenon in Greece where the history and remaining sentiment is derived.
@@stevied3400 that doesn't give them a right to keep it now. In this debate, there was a British person who gave this example and said "Let's say you have a very nice original painting at your house, and it's yours by all means. But then your house is caught in a fire and your neighbor is quick enough to get your painting ti his house and save it before the fire damages the painting. Now a month later when your house is repaired and rebuilt fully, you go and ask for your painting back, but the neighbor doesn't give you the painting because he says that if he didn't save it, it wouldn't exist no more. You tell him that you are grateful he saved it, but now you want it back as it's yours by all means because it's your original but he still refuses to give it. That's not right.". You get it? Also how can you be so positive that the marbles wouldn't exist otherwise? Why did nothing happen to the other 50% of the marble which remained in Greece? It survived!
Sandro Skronias I never said the Brits shouldn’t give the marble back. I said they didn’t “steal” them. Of course Greece can and should ask for them back.
I see your point but you do know that they technically did right? Elgin used his rights falsely and did not even ask the Sultan of Athens that time but rather bribed a Vizier with his rights and money of course. The Greeks were never asked if their statues could be taken.
jfrag911 Also the Greeks at the time didn’t care about the statues, they were being sold and vandalised by locals and tourists. They were taken by Britain and that’s the only reason they even exist today.
They cannot just do that because there is a clause in the British museum act that states the British museum cannot give or sell any and all artifacts in its possession
if poor british wants to EARN money out of other's ART, let them have copy of the originals (like wax meauseum), and ORIGINALS to be returned to the sole OWNERS.
"IN tact" right, let's not count the wire used to clean the marbles that used damage that can never be repaired or the fact that they are housed in a room with mold
It's not about whose wrong and whose right. It is about putting an old wrong, right. "And one day, surely, there will be an agreement to do the right thing by the world’s most “right” structure.” Christopher Hitchins, 2009 Let's prove global RESPECT for a peerles work of art that deserves better than being divided - mainly between London and Athens.
@@danilolquerojr. i am from Malaysia and the British took all of our heritage. Only a few were returned back. Some of my family members went there and all they said was, " nothing fascinating about the country, they only have other countries heritages "
I wish she would of continued to discuss why it's such a "complicated" situation. Those bitches probably don't want to give the pieces back to the rightful owners, otherwise they'd lose money.
All of the parts of the Parthenon should be in Athens. It's too damaged to try to reunite the pieces in situ, so the museum there should house the pieces for public viewing.
There are pieces of the Parthenon in museums all over the world. Are you seriously suggesting that all should give up their treasures? Do you not think that position to be a slippery slope?
@@timducote5713 The Elgin marbles were clearly stolen by bribery. Those need to be returned as no stolen property should exist in any museum. I can't speak to the other items. They may have been legitimately collected.
Athens can UNIQUELY provide the world the opportunity to see the marbles and sculptures near the sacred temple from which they were desecrated and looted. From which they were vandalized and separated from the original piece of art - the Parthenon of Athens and temple to Athena. *uniquely intensifies*
@@dewd9327no they can't for three reasons. First if we won't restore the temple to the point it was before Morozini's bombardment they won't have the base to stand to. Secondly bare in mind that Athens still has at times many pollutants in the atmosphere that can penetrate to the marbles since the 2300 year old layer formed of the marbles stored in the British museum has been sanded off with metal brushes or with sand paper from Duveen that ordered the stuff of the museum to whiten them😢. Even if they did it partially cause the curator learned it and commanded the workers to stop the process. So these pieces are essentially very prone to catastrophe from pollutants than the rest stored in the Acropolis museum. Third why risk any kind of catastrophe when the Acropolis Museum a very expensive project keeps perfect climate control with steady temperature all year round also controlling humidity and refining the air through very expensive dust and pollutant filters. The site also withstands to fires and is shock resistant to over 7 degrees of the Ricther scale earthquakes. Although Parthenon itself withstood if not thousands then hundrends of earthquakes. Which is miraculous if you think that the other great temple of Zeus in Ancient Olympia was demolished by a huge one over there an at least 7,6 in the Richter scale. Can you understand now the importance of Parthenon and Acropolis?
Lots of people say the marbles should not be returned to greece cuz culture is for everyone....You know culture is for everyone not only in Britain...the marbles were made in athens for an athenian temple...culture is for everyone in greece too
Why is the British Museum so resistant to returning all the loot that has been stolen over the centuries? What is so complicated about doing the right and moral thing?
1. It is current woke terminology to say that select museums around the world are full of "loot that has been stolen over the centuries, much like the calls of living on "stolen land." Museums exist for all people, native and visitors, and serves as a repository of human culture. Over 6 million people visit the British Museum in a year compared to the 1.5 million in Athens. Which Museum is better situated to serve more people - consider, too, that entrance into the British Museum is free. 2. The British Museum has long claimed legal ownership of the marbles, something that Greece has never challenged. How does that go against the "right and moral" thing to do?
@@slurpeecloud999 I had been to British museum many a times and could not see a single item which depicts actual british culture.the closest one which resembles anything closer to British culture is the section of Roman Britian which is a heritage of Roman influence in Britain so let’s be clear there is no artifact in British museum which is British culture because there is only one cultural trait of British that is of theft.😀
@@arunabhray7630 It seems like you have forgotten that Britain has hundreds of years of medieval history and renaissance era history, you just chose to be ignorant
Return them to Greece and accept Greece's "generous" loan program or as the artifacts are originally theirs. If the Tower of London or Westminister was missing any of its artwork or sculptures, would the British Museum also accept that it's for the protection of the art and that the sale was legal if a surrounding country, say France, has its artwork displayed in THEIR museums? I don't think so.
Stolen property should always be returned to its rightful owner. You have not been able to come up with one document showing you had permission to remove them so return them.
Right is right - and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that. What, are we going to start saying: stone x was saved via removal but carving y was saved by keeping it on top of the Acropolis? How about this for a proposal: we relocate parts of St. Paul's Cathedral in London just in case the British go to war again. This argument leads to the partial dismantling and relocation of all buildings - significant or insignificant - to other parts of the world i.e. in the name of protecting them. Goooolly.. if ever there was an example of academic isolation and arrogance... The entire world knows that these sculptures belong with the rest of the Parthenon in Athens, Greece. It is that simple.
The issue here is very simple. If The British will give us back the marbles and the sculptures of Perthenon, then the Chineese and the Egyptians will start asking to give them back all the antiquites that they stolen from their countries!!! If something like this will happen then one of the Most Important attraction of the city of London will be totally indefferent an UK will losse lots of money
The staff member says that they are masterpieces of Greek civilization. Greek civilization came from Greece not Britain. The Elgin Marbles are Greek Heritage.
@@timducote5713 and how do you know that so accurate? we are not like you English a little from everything of your colony a little bit indian a lot of african , 1/15 or 1/20 married a foreigner the rest only Greeksand if you watch all result of my heritage and the rest of dna test we hav high greek ancient ancestry yet like i 98,5% Greek and if you dont believe i send the link of my result which are on youtube so dont tell pelas bulshit you are a set of different peoples hahahahahahahahahaha
so the marble would not be in context if it is reattach to parthenon? and attaching them in museum wall is more contextual than to its original building? I am truly lost.
The Greek Ministry of Culture addressed a request to the British Museum for the return of the Parthenon Sculptures to Greece. Once again, the British showed us how much they hate Greece and the Greeks. Their museum, with the audacity of an occupier and pirate state, replied NO: "The British Museum has no intention of removing controversial sections from the public exhibition." What does the British Museum mean? Did the British create these sculptures or set out to distort history because of globalization? Shame on them. God sees and will judge them accordingly.
As mexican I would demand the return of the maya lintels from Yaxchilan displayed at the British Museum. Although Alfred Maudslay, the man who extract them from Mexico, indeed was an excellent archaeologist, technically he stole these artefacts with no permission from mexican or guatemalan authorities.
I think it's time to the stones return home, there's no use to keeping the stones there if the public do not support the museum. And why can it not be a "yes or no" answer? Is it really that complicated? I think people do make a simple situation complicated. I for one would love to see the temple complete with their stones.
Really? It is not a "very complicated situation"! Give them back. Why do you want them when they don't tell the history of your region? They belong where they were made and meant to be...
Did you not pay attention to the video? The British Museum is of the opinion that they have legal ownership, something the Greeks have never challenged.
The British lady said “it’s a very complex issue”. Code for “no!”. Everything seems to be complex in the UK. Infrastructure building is a good example. Little gets done because “it’s complex”.
It really is not beneficial for anyone to require that museums start returning artifacts to their countries of origin just for the sake of returning them. Doing so would "empty the museums of the world". The marbles should be returned to Greece because they can most appropriately be displayed their. They will most benifit humanity as a whole in Athens. Returning every last amphora to Greece would be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
You need to find yourself an Argument Consultant so as not to provoke the anger of others.You know nothing about Greek language. We are not obliged to be perfect in English.Language competence is not an indicator of superiority that can put someone down,especially when arguments are neither valid nor sound.
Hannah Boulton is so ridiculous. She says returning the marbles isnt easy AHAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS REALLY EASY YOU JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT YOU COMMITED THEAFT. She also says that the British museum offers the best display... BETTER THAN NEXT TO THE ACTUAL PARTHENON??? OH PLEASE
I hope this video is not blocked in other countries, as most of NG's videos. It's upon the British people to end this shame. Speak up! "Dull is the eye that will not weep to see Thy walls defaced, thy moldering shrines removed By British hands, which it had best behoved To guard those relics ne’er to be restored. Curst be the hour when from their isle they roved, And once again thy hapless bosom gored, And snatch’s thy shrinking gods to northern climes abhorred!" Lord Byron
All well & good bringing them to Britain to keep them safe. But this was a dodgy deal, we need to return them now! Athens has a great museum and is more than capable of looking after them. The marbles should be returned to Athens where they belong!
@@stevied3400 I wouldnt say so, the pyramids were just big structures and do not symbolise nothing, the parthenon was way more complex than the pyramids of Ancient Egypt
@@ethnikososialistikoarxeio14 the Pyramids were also built thousands of years before the Parthenon so knowledge and the art of building had to have improved at least somewhat
@Lionelrm Let me ask you something. If the US government gave the permission in 2003 to the British, to empty the museums of Iraq, break marbles in pieces (!), and ship them to London, that would be "legal"? Looting an occupied country, is a "legal right"? Is it moral? The Parthenon marbles must be returned for far more important reasons than just "goodwill gesture". Besides, Greece offered to exchange unique pieces of art for the marbles. THAT is goodwill gesture. Thanks for your support.
The BM is not alone in stealing things from Greece and other countries. Berlin museum is just as guilty too, and they also refuse to give back their stolen goods to Greece as well.
The BM has written a really progressive new policy that will allow them to transfer items in their collection to other museums in circumstances where the standard of conservation is comparable, they will remain in the public domain, they wont be threatened by civil unrest or government instability and they would be more appropriately displayed in or by that other museum. This policy is specifically aimed at returning these statues.
Yes, and thankfully in this day in age, we have the ability to travel to see both... Except when COVID likes to stick it's dirty little nose in our travel plans
wait so now british have stuff that belongs to egypt and now greek wtf . o yeah they also have artifacts that belongs to China also and what british say to China "its mine"
The English have no culture of their own. Without ancient cultures, they have nothing left in their museum. If they return this to Greece, the Muslims and Chinese want all their stuff back too. At least the Chinese pay to get this stuff back while Greece just want this stuff back at zero cost.
we have piece in athens? lmao bring back to athens those marbles, because greeks are doing their best to renovate the parthenon. im a filipino living in pagrati athens, near to that temple and im so blessed to see that everyday.
Well, this is actually not the case for the following simple reason: Greece is not asking for ALL its treasures to be brought back, which believe me, are so many all over the european museums (UK, France, Germany etc). Greece is asking for the Parthenon Marbles, not only because it is the SYMBOL of Athens, but mainly because it is ONE SINGLE MONUMENT that needs to be reunited! You can not have one part here and another part there.
The "British" Museum XD is more Greek, Egyptian, Cypriot etc than British XD
its supposed to be you dim witt
thats because British museum is for showing what the british have stolen.
@@littlezit2 Well now that we know Elgin didnt have a valid firman from the Ottomans. So stolen artifacts their are! xD
@@chriskw4362 Not so. How would he be able to take them out of the place without their permission.
@@littlezit2 According to a research done by two Turkish archeologists a few months ago in the Ottoman records the "firman" given to Elgin was invalid as it was not signed by the Sultan and it was no where to be found in the official government records. Also it was given to him by a Vizier(who he had no permission to do so) and it was written in Italian. The marbles were cut down in a hurry which means he most probably bribed the Vizier.
Of course you should demand them.It's your national heritage.Truly cultured people have to know when to give something back. Just because they saved our marbles it doesn't mean that they own them.
Exactly. Very well written.
This lady at 1:50 really makes me furious...
I'm pretty sure the Greeks can keep the friezes in "proper context". They were the ones who actually made them and preserved them for two-thousand years before the Ottomans blew the place up and the British stole them.
The Greeks weren't even in power at the time when the documents were made, this is entirely unfair for them.
Ottomans did not blew it UP.
@Deniz Metin T. Not really, they built on the Acropolis, but they had no where else to store it for strategic purposes, the blame should go to the venetians.
@@trying1407 Why should the blame go to the Venetians? It was the Ottomans that made the Acropolis into the city's main military target. What were the Venetians supposed to do, just surrender and let the Ottomans win?
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“There is everything in Greece except Greeks “LoL
Creation of Greece and name by Bavarian king otto in 1829 A.D.
So the Brits got the marbles... Greece has the building.
That's like stealing someone's rooftiles... -.-
Oldtboot beautiful rooftiles in this case
Well said!!!
More like a person who couldn’t care less about their roof tiles blew up their house and someone swooped in to rescue what they could, paid to store and maintain them and now the person who blew up their house wants them back.
@@mazzy_vc More like a guy (Ottomans) takes over your (Greeks) house, then a guy (Venetians) who hates the guy who took over your house blows it up, then another guy (Britons) shows up and really likes those roof tiles so he buys them from the guy who took your house, not caring as he breaks the rest of the roof, then you finally get your house back but the guy who bought the roof tiles from the guy who took your house doesn't want to give the roof tiles back.
😂 true
‘Can only be viewed in their “context” at the British Museum’ What?! These marbles are Greek, athenic. Without access to a time machine going back 2 millennia how more in context could you get than returning these to Athens?
How would they like it if Athens came along and took Nelson from his column at Trafalgar Square and displayed him and the Parthenon?
Right! Why don't the Brits keep copies to illustrate whatever that lady was preaching about?
Oh and if Nelson's column was displayed next to the pyramids "to give it context in world history"...
Please don't judge us too harshly, I and many other Britons wish to see them returned to Athens
me*
and indeed we thank all those in Britain for decades of support
True, but those who represent you, refuse to return them and your PM refuses even to discuss the matter with the Greek PM. I am aware that many Britons would like to return the sculptures to the Parthenon where they belong.
I'm in the U.S. and would love to see the original statue pieces returned to Greece. I remember visiting Athens years ago and wondering why the Parthenon had significant pieces of the structure in Britain. It makes me pretty mad. It's ridiculous, they belong back with the Greeks in this proper museum.
Thank you. Unfortunately the British have different ideas. They went around the world to vandalise local artefacts to steal bits and pieces for their museums because they have not much to show of their own. They like to display their vandalism for the whole world to see and shame them. Not only they left trouble wherever they went, e.g. Cyprus, Palestine, India, etc, but they also left vandalised local structures that are important parts of the heritage of foreign cultures. VANDALS! THIEVES! TROUBLE MAKERS! SHAME ON YOU! Return the Parthenon sculptures to their rightful owners. Return other artefacts that do not belong to you because you stole them. VANDALS! THIEVES! TROUBLE MAKERS! SHAME ON YOU! This is how you like to be known and we are glad to serve you as you wish. @@GardenMinistry.
Elgin was just a taking advantage of a situation he is basically a looter
Elgin mobile legends??
He would of had to have had some form of permission to enter the site as it was a military base
And here in Canada, I am ashamed to see counties, streets and roads name after him.
time to return to where it belong
So basically the British Museum is saying that the artwork has been stolen for so long that Greece shouldn't mind that they keep the stolen artifacts that clearly belong in & to Greece...
Actually, the British Museum maintains that they have legal possession of the marbles, something Greece has never challenged in court.
If the marbles belonged to the Parthenon they should be returned back to Greece. End of argument.
Do you feel the same about Egyptian antiquities in museums all around the world?
They belong to Greece...they have culture there and they were stolen from there.
Sandra G Yes. The British can replicate the artwork which needs to be done anyway to fully envision the already destroyed pieces. This would give their museum what it really needs. The sentimental value is simply a ripoff that should be in Athens. People want to visit the parthenon in Greece where the history and remaining sentiment is derived.
Sandra G
It’s a good thing they were stolen by this guy because they probably wouldn’t exist otherwise.
@@stevied3400 that doesn't give them a right to keep it now. In this debate, there was a British person who gave this example and said "Let's say you have a very nice original painting at your house, and it's yours by all means. But then your house is caught in a fire and your neighbor is quick enough to get your painting ti his house and save it before the fire damages the painting. Now a month later when your house is repaired and rebuilt fully, you go and ask for your painting back, but the neighbor doesn't give you the painting because he says that if he didn't save it, it wouldn't exist no more. You tell him that you are grateful he saved it, but now you want it back as it's yours by all means because it's your original but he still refuses to give it. That's not right.". You get it? Also how can you be so positive that the marbles wouldn't exist otherwise? Why did nothing happen to the other 50% of the marble which remained in Greece? It survived!
Sandro Skronias
I never said the Brits shouldn’t give the marble back. I said they didn’t “steal” them. Of course Greece can and should ask for them back.
I see your point but you do know that they technically did right? Elgin used his rights falsely and did not even ask the Sultan of Athens that time but rather bribed a Vizier with his rights and money of course. The Greeks were never asked if their statues could be taken.
Im British and the marbles should be returned to their owners: Greece. Elgin was a crook
And so is your Queen that still wears the Kohinoor diamond
Return the STOLEN artifacts .
jfrag911 don’t ya’ know, to the victor goes the spoils...
jfrag911 Also the Greeks at the time didn’t care about the statues, they were being sold and vandalised by locals and tourists. They were taken by Britain and that’s the only reason they even exist today.
british stole so many treasures in the Philippines during the Spaniard colonization. study the history, they overexploit countries.
They cannot just do that because there is a clause in the British museum act that states the British museum cannot give or sell any and all artifacts in its possession
@@t.wcharles2171 tell it to the marines.
i am now convinced that being a public relations manager at the british museum, is the most shamefull job worldwide
if poor british wants to EARN money out of other's ART, let them have copy of the originals (like wax meauseum), and ORIGINALS to be returned to the sole OWNERS.
The British museum= The British Collection of World Theft
😅 True that
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I'm really starting to hate this British Museum for keeping stuff that ain't theirs.Remind me the next time I fly to England to avoid this Museum...
just give them back so the whole thing can be as one, together as a whole once again.
Sure britain may have kept some of the marbles possible intact for 2 centuries. But now this protection is entirely unnecessary.
"IN tact" right, let's not count the wire used to clean the marbles that used damage that can never be repaired or the fact that they are housed in a room with mold
It's not about whose wrong and whose right. It is about putting an old wrong, right.
"And one day, surely, there will be an agreement to do the right thing by the world’s most “right” structure.” Christopher Hitchins, 2009
Let's prove global RESPECT for a peerles work of art that deserves better than being divided - mainly between London and Athens.
Beloved UK could keep copies
We cry and feel sad for our sculptures😓
british museum staff defending their plunder is so painful to listen.
This belong to my Greek anseters and the museum of greece
Yes, but the ancestors have been gone for thousands of years. they have been safe for 200 long years at the British Museum and should stay there
@@danilolquerojr. i am from Malaysia and the British took all of our heritage. Only a few were returned back. Some of my family members went there and all they said was, " nothing fascinating about the country, they only have other countries heritages "
@@TWOCOWS1 our ancestor are the same as modern Greeks
1:51 no one thinks the British museum legally owns these sculptures.
Apparently, the British Museum does and possession is 9 points of the law.
I wish she would of continued to discuss why it's such a "complicated" situation. Those bitches probably don't want to give the pieces back to the rightful owners, otherwise they'd lose money.
All of the parts of the Parthenon should be in Athens. It's too damaged to try to reunite the pieces in situ, so the museum there should house the pieces for public viewing.
There are pieces of the Parthenon in museums all over the world. Are you seriously suggesting that all should give up their treasures? Do you not think that position to be a slippery slope?
@@timducote5713 The Elgin marbles were clearly stolen by bribery. Those need to be returned as no stolen property should exist in any museum. I can't speak to the other items. They may have been legitimately collected.
@@lancelessard2491 How were they "clearly stolen by bribery?" I am not aware of anyone ever making that claim.
Athens can UNIQUELY provide the world the opportunity to see the marbles and sculptures near the sacred temple from which they were desecrated and looted. From which they were vandalized and separated from the original piece of art - the Parthenon of Athens and temple to Athena. *uniquely intensifies*
If the marbles were returned they could be placed back on the Parthenon where they belong
@@dewd9327no they can't for three reasons. First if we won't restore the temple to the point it was before Morozini's bombardment they won't have the base to stand to. Secondly bare in mind that Athens still has at times many pollutants in the atmosphere that can penetrate to the marbles since the 2300 year old layer formed of the marbles stored in the British museum has been sanded off with metal brushes or with sand paper from Duveen that ordered the stuff of the museum to whiten them😢. Even if they did it partially cause the curator learned it and commanded the workers to stop the process. So these pieces are essentially very prone to catastrophe from pollutants than the rest stored in the Acropolis museum. Third why risk any kind of catastrophe when the Acropolis Museum a very expensive project keeps perfect climate control with steady temperature all year round also controlling humidity and refining the air through very expensive dust and pollutant filters. The site also withstands to fires and is shock resistant to over 7 degrees of the Ricther scale earthquakes. Although Parthenon itself withstood if not thousands then hundrends of earthquakes. Which is miraculous if you think that the other great temple of Zeus in Ancient Olympia was demolished by a huge one over there an at least 7,6 in the Richter scale.
Can you understand now the importance of Parthenon and Acropolis?
Lots of people say the marbles should not be returned to greece cuz culture is for everyone....You know culture is for everyone not only in Britain...the marbles were made in athens for an athenian temple...culture is for everyone in greece too
Why is the British Museum so resistant to returning all the loot that has been stolen over the centuries? What is so complicated about doing the right and moral thing?
1. It is current woke terminology to say that select museums around the world are full of "loot that has been stolen over the centuries, much like the calls of living on "stolen land." Museums exist for all people, native and visitors, and serves as a repository of human culture. Over 6 million people visit the British Museum in a year compared to the 1.5 million in Athens. Which Museum is better situated to serve more people - consider, too, that entrance into the British Museum is free.
2. The British Museum has long claimed legal ownership of the marbles, something that Greece has never challenged. How does that go against the "right and moral" thing to do?
Currently watching this while I have a view of the Parthenon from my hotel
Bring back the marbles. 😔 It's part of the Parthenon 😔
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Not one thing in the British museum can be rightly called theirs smh.
ahaha wrong, what about all of the ancient British artifacts inside?
@@slurpeecloud999 what british artifacts lol u mean the indian african and local american tresures oh ok
@@ΣοφίαΜπαλωμένου ALMOST LIKE YOU FORGET THAT ENGLAND HAS THOUSNADS OF YEARS OF HISTORY LOL. SO SAD.
@@slurpeecloud999 I had been to British museum many a times and could not see a single item which depicts actual british culture.the closest one which resembles anything closer to British culture is the section of Roman Britian which is a heritage of Roman influence in Britain so let’s be clear there is no artifact in British museum which is British culture because there is only one cultural trait of British that is of theft.😀
@@arunabhray7630 It seems like you have forgotten that Britain has hundreds of years of medieval history and renaissance era history, you just chose to be ignorant
Wait what? What is her argument even? I don't get it
"Finders keepers losers weepers."
As a Brit, I am ashamed at the British Museums stance - they know it's wrong, for the world.
What’s complicated? Give them back... lol. They’re Greek, and belong in Greece.
Return them to Greece and accept Greece's "generous" loan program or as the artifacts are originally theirs. If the Tower of London or Westminister was missing any of its artwork or sculptures, would the British Museum also accept that it's for the protection of the art and that the sale was legal if a surrounding country, say France, has its artwork displayed in THEIR museums? I don't think so.
its not complicated.... they were stolen and they need to be returned. How dare anyone take from another country what is not theirs.
Stolen property should always be returned to its rightful owner. You have not been able to come up with one document showing you had permission to remove them so return them.
An English copy of an Italian copy of a firman is in the British museum
Right is right - and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that. What, are we going to start saying: stone x was saved via removal but carving y was saved by keeping it on top of the Acropolis? How about this for a proposal: we relocate parts of St. Paul's Cathedral in London just in case the British go to war again. This argument leads to the partial dismantling and relocation of all buildings - significant or insignificant - to other parts of the world i.e. in the name of protecting them. Goooolly.. if ever there was an example of academic isolation and arrogance... The entire world knows that these sculptures belong with the rest of the Parthenon in Athens, Greece. It is that simple.
The issue here is very simple. If The British will give us back the marbles and the sculptures of Perthenon, then the Chineese and the Egyptians will start asking to give them back all the antiquites that they stolen from their countries!!! If something like this will happen then one of the Most Important attraction of the city of London will be totally indefferent an UK will losse lots of money
Return pls
I hope that all art goes back to where they belong. To the countries that are asking for them.
The staff member says that they are masterpieces of Greek civilization. Greek civilization came from Greece not Britain. The Elgin Marbles are Greek Heritage.
When we were building Parthenons, you ate acorns
when you were in severe debt, we were bailing you out.
@@slurpeecloud999 well germany never paid war reparations of ww2 so shut up the own us more
@@slurpeecloud999 don't you have anything other to say?
The Greeks of today are hardly the same people of 500 BC.
@@timducote5713 and how do you know that so accurate? we are not like you English a little from everything of your colony a little bit indian a lot of african , 1/15 or 1/20 married a foreigner the rest only Greeksand if you watch all result of my heritage and the rest of dna test we hav high greek ancient ancestry yet like i 98,5% Greek and if you dont believe i send the link of my result which are on youtube so dont tell pelas bulshit you are a set of different peoples hahahahahahahahahaha
We should rebuilt it again. It's an important part of Greek History.
so the marble would not be in context if it is reattach to parthenon? and attaching them in museum wall is more contextual than to its original building? I am truly lost.
Thanks very much for sharing the awesome video!!!
The Greek Ministry of Culture addressed a request to the British Museum for the return of the Parthenon Sculptures to Greece. Once again, the British showed us how much they hate Greece and the Greeks. Their museum, with the audacity of an occupier and pirate state, replied NO: "The British Museum has no intention of removing controversial sections from the public exhibition." What does the British Museum mean? Did the British create these sculptures or set out to distort history because of globalization? Shame on them. God sees and will judge them accordingly.
Its just a act of burgulary. Return those artifacts back to where they belong.
As mexican I would demand the return of the maya lintels from Yaxchilan displayed at the British Museum. Although Alfred Maudslay, the man who extract them from Mexico, indeed was an excellent archaeologist, technically he stole these artefacts with no permission from mexican or guatemalan authorities.
I think it's time to the stones return home, there's no use to keeping the stones there if the public do not support the museum. And why can it not be a "yes or no" answer? Is it really that complicated? I think people do make a simple situation complicated. I for one would love to see the temple complete with their stones.
Really? It is not a "very complicated situation"! Give them back. Why do you want them when they don't tell the history of your region? They belong where they were made and meant to be...
It should be returned. British museum can have a replica of it .
Watching this for my anthropology class. Absolutely baffled at the British museum, how can they justify this as historians? Quite elitist really...
Did you not pay attention to the video? The British Museum is of the opinion that they have legal ownership, something the Greeks have never challenged.
They belong to Greece!!
Give it back to Greece. Do not try to justify theft.
*likes the content of the video*dislikes that england is being brats
The British lady said “it’s a very complex issue”. Code for “no!”. Everything seems to be complex in the UK. Infrastructure building is a good example. Little gets done because “it’s complex”.
It really is not beneficial for anyone to require that museums start returning artifacts to their countries of origin just for the sake of returning them. Doing so would "empty the museums of the world". The marbles should be returned to Greece because they can most appropriately be displayed their. They will most benifit humanity as a whole in Athens. Returning every last amphora to Greece would be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
You need to find yourself an Argument Consultant so as not to provoke the anger of others.You know nothing about Greek language. We are not obliged to be perfect in English.Language competence is not an indicator of superiority that can put someone down,especially when arguments are neither valid nor sound.
Completely true!
Hannah Boulton is so ridiculous. She says returning the marbles isnt easy AHAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS REALLY EASY YOU JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT YOU COMMITED THEAFT. She also says that the British museum offers the best display... BETTER THAN NEXT TO THE ACTUAL PARTHENON??? OH PLEASE
I hope this video is not blocked in other countries, as most of NG's videos.
It's upon the British people to end this shame.
Speak up!
"Dull is the eye that will not weep to see
Thy walls defaced, thy moldering shrines removed
By British hands, which it had best behoved
To guard those relics ne’er to be restored.
Curst be the hour when from their isle they roved,
And once again thy hapless bosom gored,
And snatch’s thy shrinking gods to northern climes abhorred!"
Lord Byron
All well & good bringing them to Britain to keep them safe. But this was a dodgy deal, we need to return them now! Athens has a great museum and is more than capable of looking after them. The marbles should be returned to Athens where they belong!
Our museum is actually brand new!
Has anyone ever built any sort of structure resembling that of one you may have seen in Ancient Greece?
Camila Gisselle
The Great Pyramid of Egypt is even more of a marvel.
@@stevied3400 I wouldnt say so, the pyramids were just big structures and do not symbolise nothing, the parthenon was way more complex than the pyramids of Ancient Egypt
@@ethnikososialistikoarxeio14 the Pyramids were also built thousands of years before the Parthenon so knowledge and the art of building had to have improved at least somewhat
Angkor Watt, Brihadeshwera Temple, Modhera Sun Temple, Meenakshi Amman Temple, Martand Sun temple, Konark Sun temple, and the list goes on.
England: We don't steal things, we just take them
@Lionelrm
Let me ask you something.
If the US government gave the permission in 2003 to the British, to empty the museums of Iraq, break marbles in pieces (!), and ship them to London, that would be "legal"?
Looting an occupied country, is a "legal right"? Is it moral?
The Parthenon marbles must be returned for far more important reasons than just "goodwill gesture".
Besides, Greece offered to exchange unique pieces of art for the marbles.
THAT is goodwill gesture.
Thanks for your support.
They should return to motherland
Les graphismes c'est une masterclass, merci a l'ulco de m'avoir fait decouvrir cette video
Ratio
They should bring them back.
What ... really! My history instructor at university always tell us that British stolen the arts and history of others.. real!
I'm here because I watched the video of Circle Line Art School
The BM is not alone in stealing things from Greece and other countries. Berlin museum is just as guilty too, and they also refuse to give back their stolen goods to Greece as well.
How did they get them?
i think this is a job for Indiana Jones to return the parthenon to Athens..
The BM has written a really progressive new policy that will allow them to transfer items in their collection to other museums in circumstances where the standard of conservation is comparable, they will remain in the public domain, they wont be threatened by civil unrest or government instability and they would be more appropriately displayed in or by that other museum. This policy is specifically aimed at returning these statues.
Give our marbles back.
What nonsense! The fact that "it was not yours and it was never for you to take" overrule all the other arguments.
I have see the Parthenon in Athens and the Elgin marbles at the British Museum. It is awesome to see.
Yes, and thankfully in this day in age, we have the ability to travel to see both... Except when COVID likes to stick it's dirty little nose in our travel plans
wait so now british have stuff that belongs to egypt and now greek wtf . o yeah they also have artifacts that belongs to China also and what british say to China "its mine"
Now that experts have decided.
I’m French and I think the British museum should give back the stuff they have stolen.
The louvre has 2 main greek sculptures too. French people should return those too
What of all the Egyptian antiquities that the French brought back? Are you ready to give those up?
"house built on rock." ~ Claudia and Ara
The PJ masks are coming to save the day! 😂
The historical remnants of a country belong to its country of origin!
Really? You do realize that your position would do away with museums all around the world, don't you?
@Gary Leung well said!
They should return all of them!
I'm a simple person. I hear BRITISH Museum, I expect to see BRITISH artefacts and not some stolen objects that are out of place on display.
It is a museum in Britain what did you expect it to be some Saxon hairpins
No it is a museum that has artifacts from the world
Apparently, you are unfamiliar with the concept of a museum.
Return it noooow!
england stole them, no argument
The British is always proud of their loots
I don't know, but I've been told
The parthenon is mighty old
1:52 ownership????????thats the joke of the day.RETURN the marbles back
Britain stole these marbles, they belong to Greece.
The English have no culture of their own. Without ancient cultures, they have nothing left in their museum. If they return this to Greece, the Muslims and Chinese want all their stuff back too. At least the Chinese pay to get this stuff back while Greece just want this stuff back at zero cost.
so you suggest that Greece has to pay ? what? ransom? you are pathetic
Pay?for what?for the stolen artifacts?are you ok in the head?
D'accord
The Greek antiquity leader touching the ancient statue with his bare hands. Bro, stop disproving your point with your actions!
LOL the british have such balls to retain the history from the people it belongs to.
The Britishers stole from Perthenon too?
we have piece in athens? lmao bring back to athens those marbles, because greeks are doing their best to renovate the parthenon. im a filipino living in pagrati athens, near to that temple and im so blessed to see that everyday.