Vaer A12 'Dirty Dozen' Review: The Military Watch for Everyman?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2021
- In today's video, I'd like to look at a watch from American brand Vaer - a young company aiming to make affordable but high quality watches for the average man. Their latest and most expensive release is the A12 'Dirty Dozen' - a watch modelled after the military watches of the British Army during and after the Second World War. But the question is: is the A12 a watch for a vintage enthusiast or for a sport watch user?
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Got this today. Love it. The movement is beautiful. As is everything else about this watch.
Excellent review of what I think is a good watch for the price. It has a nice nod to the Dirty Dozen, but at a good price and without the drawbacks of a vintage watch. And it really does look good! 👍👏
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This is a fantastically balanced review. Bravo.
Great review Armand.
I have this very watch as well as the Timor Heritage field which is very much true to the original but that being said I absolutely love what Vaer has done with the A12 v2. Thw dimensions are spot on including the 20mm lug width which is one of my favorite features. The movement in this watch is the real highlight even if it does not hack. It is wonderfully adorned with its blued screws and the such and is a joy to look at through the caseback. Thanks Armand for a great review of what I consider a key watch in my small collection.
Is it a manual wind
@@donfoley1590 Yes it is.Don. It has the ETA 7001 which is also highly decorated but not sure if is Top Grade but nice for sure and what a joy to wind.
@@briancarpenter1255 hey there, do u use it more than the timor? i'm planning to purchase either the vaer or the timor, but the 50m water resistance on the timor makes me nervous because i will use it for showering and swimming as i will treat as an everyday watch
I have the Vaer A12 and find it to be a very fine watch.An excellent review,I have wanted to own a Dirty Dozen Watch,but have found them out of my price range.I also like the fact that it uses the ETA 7001 as the Fears Brunswick.Thank you for the interview with Nicholas Bowman-Scargill.
Success and a must buy in a field watch collection.
Thank you.
I love my Vear watch.
It's currently sold out, so somebody must like it.
It's a nice attempt. All the flaws listed can be easily fixed. Great review as always!
I own the Vaer and like it very much, I would love it if it was between a 38mm to 40mm. You do make an excellent about how the seconds doesn't have any lume.
I also bought the Vertex because of its size, but like the dial on the Vaer better. I prefer the stark white hands and numerals vs green numerals on Vertex.
Great video 👍🏼👍🏼
I think it’s an excellent watch for the money - so glad I got one with the eta 7001 movement
I got one. It is fabulous. Can't come close for the price. I feel like it is meeting both. Great company. Fabulous customer service. I also own a couple of their quartz watches 👍 oh, I'm not an expert or a serious collector, but the finishing on the case is just as good as my Hamilton that was at the same price point. Also, I love that the watch has a story to tell. It is not just a watch.
My only real question about it is whether the 20mm lugs look out of proportion with the 36mm case. It really is an odd choice that they made in doing that. My instinct is that keep it 36 and make the lugs 18, or size it up to 38 or 37.5 and put the lugs at 20. But I don't know what it looks like in real life on the wrist, so it's just speculation.
Vaer is a great watch. Especially the A12 ,36m.m. version. This is the closest thing to the real military version that was issued during the war . The fact that the movement is a manual mechanical high end 7001, adds to the appeal of this watch . The case is superb very nice shape with contours and with satin finish brushing that I feel is much better than Hamilton and seiko,s new so called field watch. I have both the Vaer,s field watches the heritage 40m.m.s no date and the new kick ass A12, version ,second hand sundial, with the bracelet and black horween strap, say hello to the future. Oh. And Armando, I thought you were a little too critical . Well , after all they're not Rolex or Omega, and bare little consequence. Trying to be butch when you're just a queen. Ta. Ta.
I just discover this watch because of you and tanks
I think it’s a very good military watch for the price
I see a huge flaw. Through the caseback the brushing on the largest visible gear (I don't know what its called) is grossly off-center. So much so that I wonder if it's intentional. I'm just a rank amateur, so if I notice it, then everyone else will, as well.
+ Charles P: You're absolutely right! My observational skills have been put to shame!
That's interesting, though it has to be intentional. It's just too egregious to be anything but..............right?
Yes I see that to ! I replayed the movement parts several times to see what you meant. Big problem as the ratchet wheel will be thinner on one side ! An ETA problem or someone later down the finishing line?
Didn´t see this Charles.........thanks sir !!!👍
Hacking is a requirement for military watches, isn't it? This movement does not hack.
Hi Alon, not all military timepieces feature hacking sir !
@@peterkull8354 I'm pretty sure the minimum requirement for a standard issued watch was to have a hacking capability to synchronize timing from anything like assaults to artillery shell flight time calculations. I'm pretty certain even Vostok, the standard cheaply made Russian military issue watches have hacking.
@@IowanLawmanHi IowanLawman, as I mentioned before this was not a minimum requirement to a Mil. Spec watch
"The hack watch" has this to say:
Servicemen in the Vietnam War were issued watches made by Hamilton, Benrus
or Westclox. These watches were made to the MIL-W-46374 or MIL-W-46374A spec. The A spec came out in 1968 and the watches were clearly made to be disposable. They featured non-hacking, 7-jewel stem-wound movements and luminous hands and markers. Meaning the higher spec GG 113 (pilot and officer) watch models featured hacking while the lower spec servicemen models (often referred to as the H3) did not feature this - with their super simple 7 jewel ticker.
I don´t have any idea and knowledge regarding the russian mil. watches.
@@IowanLawman Vostok definitely does not have hacking seconds....
Not less you manipulate the crown
Correct. These copies are just that; copies. CWC from Silvermans are the best. I speak as a British soldier of 24 years. Hacking is essential and correct.
The original Dirty Dozen watch is the watch my Grandfather would of had in the famed WW2 British Army Commandos are original Special Forces, I’ve tried to get an original watch but there’s no chance . I think the Commandos had there own watch actually but there was one thing they all had in common the finish of the watches wasn’t anything special it was a pure working watch for military use. This reproduction of the Dirty Dozen Watch is a fine copy, it’s also a working watch which may have soldiers , airmen and naval personnel buying this watch.
WOW very interesting super kool ,1st class great info. AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++++ again great video I liked it a lot keep up the great work
Did I hear that this watch does not have hacking? If so, that seems a huge omission in what is apparently mimicking a military timepiece.
It does not hack, my only real complaint about it. Other than that it’s a very handsome watch, been wearing it all week
This movement does not hack. Neither did the original DD spec watches. Here is the tradeoff, you get a very low profile hand wound swiss made movement with provenance, but it doesn't hack.
However, you can "back hack" the movement in order to set the seconds tits on. It is not an elegant workaround, but it is perfectly doable. I own this watch, and while it is not perfect, it is stunning and delightful on wrist.
@@cd1615 what's the accuracy of this watch, +/- seconds per day?
Interesting because i was just seriously looking at it. Perhaps the Hamilton 36mm Pilot Pioneer is a better watch for less money?
Beautiful watch, but the S5 Standard issue (based on the A-11) is the value king. People choose watches for their own reasons and purposes but the S5 is a great grab-and-go watch.
Beautiful watch but with seikos new field watch release for near 200$ USd it tuff to justify to buy this a12
If it were 38mm, I'd buy one tomorrow. 36mm is just too small for me.
Hell, if it were 38mm I’d buy it today. Men are physically taller and bigger today than even during WW2. A 38mm would wear like 36 back then. If your ever at an aviation museum check out some of the old pilots flight suits, they are tiny, think teenage girls! I realize today we are fatter as a whole, but still, our skeletons are taller and thicker boned. Just one guys observation. Nice watch!
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Up front I need to say that I am a Vaer fan and own their C3 and D5 watches. That said, I think this watch can’t really compete with either the Hamilton Khaki or the Bulova Hack watch - both have the right DNA and both are cheaper.
Well DNA is a rather mixed metaphor, but neither Hamilton nor Bulova are US companies anymore their names were bought up by Swatch Group and Citizen respectively diluting their personalities down to fit in with their other products. Their proportions are v.odd compared with the originals, Hamilton has v. long lugs and that silly oversized ball on 2nd hand and too big crown. Otherwise it's great. The Bulova has 30m WR lol and auto (should be manual wind) is 13.5mm thick and skinny lug width and looks a bit odd but has a great dial. Vaer is a new brand granted but there's nothing 'original' about the others and they have inferior movements esp the Bulova has a cheap but reliable Citizen movement. If you want real heritage buy a Marathon or a CWC.
An excellent review that clearly shows the features and - quality - issues of the piece while catching the charme of this thing. I like it a lot and will pull the trigger asap to ad this A12 ticker to my GG 113, Freese 53 and Hamilton Khaki handwinder. It will be the most expensive of my military collection, however it will still be much cheaper than the other DD replicas on the market AND it shows a nice Peseux 7001 hmhmhmh👍👍👍
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How about MWC "dirty dozen" version? Great alternative at a good price! Recommend! Thoughts?
Thank you, I was trying to remember that brand because I think they offer one with a white background that my girlfriend might prefer in a field watch.
Thanks for the review. I dislike the fauxtina present in all these watches these days. I’m looking to get a Weiss as a result.
The Vaer doesn't have fauxtina.
@@Sifo_Dyas it’s on the track behind the Arabic numerals.
@@triniboy05 no there isn't.
@@Sifo_Dyas 8:03 , 9:49
@@triniboy05 Armand didn't say anything about fauxtina at those two timestamps, because there isn't any on the watch. Apparently you don't know what the word means.
LOVE the watch. Not a fan of the price ☹️
I have an A12 and I have to say that overall it does not have the feel I was hoping for. Perhaps more like a modern tool watch than a period-correct homage.
I also have several Time Factors watches whose dials are much more satisfying.
And, yes, the movement of the Vaer is very nice, but at almost twice the price of the Time Factors I think it's a bit overpriced. (Incidently, I do not think the quality control failures you noted are acceptable on a thousand dollar watch.)
It's exactly my kind of watch; I tried hard to like it, but I'm afraid it's going up for sale soon.
I’m willing to buy if in 40mm
That 20mm lug width is reason enough for me to cross this watch off.
I have to agree, would look so much better with 18mm lug width. It’s a problem I have with all their 36mm watches, which are really good otherwise.
I had the same consideration. In actual use, on the wrist, it is fine as is. The Rolex Explorer at 36mm diameter also has 20mm lugs. While this proportion is a deviation from the original spec, it is not unheard of in beloved field watches designed after WW2.
If that is your only consideration, buy one, try it on your wrist around the house for a day, and return it if this specification bothers you in hand, rather than on paper.
just one comment..
the lume on the hands should match color.
But its easy to do yourself with a Prismacolor 'desert sand' marker
I like what Vaer is doing, but the fact that they have no heritage whatsoever would make me opt for any of the original dirty dozen brand reissues. I ordered a Timor for example. Even though the brand has been "revived," they still made DD watches in WWII.
Since a Vertex M100 is literally unobtainable, you're left with Christopher Ward's Sandhurst, Smiths and Vaer. Vaer sold out their 40 mm version of this watch at, I think, the same price. There is also one other very interesting resurected UK brand that was RAF's watch supplier: Newmark and their Field 52 model. It has a very interesting quartz movement and amazing build quality. Also, their customer service is top notch. But, that Vertex....yummy! Any chance of reviewing it any time soon?
I bought both the Vaer and the Vertex. In person the Vaer dial is better. If it was a 38mm or 39mm it would have been perfect and would not have bought the over priced Vertex.
You are forgetting the re-issued (true to the original) Timor
@@cedarcanoe that's also a great alternative, but not available until the fall I believe
@@scorpianbliz sorry but you’re wrong, I have had my re-issued Timor for some time now (1,5 yrs I believe)
@@cedarcanoe Hi CC, IMHO the Timor is a nice to have BUT it is definitely not "true to the original" . The looks are different, both available movements are modern swiss units. The automatic version is ...to say th least: not appropriate.
As mentioned I like the Timor, however this Vaer thing is a stunner 😂😂😂 If it only provided an 18 mm lug width. These tiny lugs look so flimsy...............a bit. 😒😒😢
Too expensive for what it is. The Peseux 7001 is adding to the cost for sure, but how can this watch be more expensive than the re-issued (true to the original) Timor www-watch?
Thank you Armand, for another top-notch watch review!
I think the Timor is more expensive, is it ?
@@peterkull8354 maybe now, it was 699 euro when launched on Kickstarter
This seems like a great watch for the money...
I prefer the one shown at 3:28.
I like it. An interesting alternative to something like the CW C65 Sandhurst.
Great video! It’s a good looking watch, though I think the lugs are too thin for how long they’re
Its attractive but to me the disappointment or deal breaker is in the blue tinted ar coating and the non hacking secs hand..
I’ve got a cheaper Vaer model quartz & its great value for the MONEY! But for that kinda money, Longines, Tissot & the like would be my target purchase.👎🏼
The watch has to be seen in the metal to be appreciated. Vaer uses the top grade movement.
The lug width is too much and the Swiss Made is annoying but otherwise very good.
It’s always people who’ve never stepped foot on a battlefield that complain about military inspired watches. I wore a garmin and a POS avi-8 my father bought me, while in Afghanistan. I like the Vaer because it pisses off the elitist vintage crowd so much.
I'm not sure that's the sort praise Vaer are looking for as they've aimed this watch at those people!
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MWC do a far more authentic looking version of this. Quarter the price and you can get 2 versions using SII VD or VH movements which blow so called "chronometer certified" out of the water. Baltany also do a version in quartz or auto. Trouble is autos suck!
These cosmetic issues are hardly excusable at $650 USD (the current price of this watch on their website).
that (movement) lay out has been around from pocket-watche days.
why not just buy a CWC?
Great choice of movement,btw is the crown screw down?The downside of all this modern remakes is lack of it.All in all I find the price to be too expensive for just an homage watch,no matter if the quality is on par.With import fees its 950€,ridiculous.
The crown is not screw-down. Reagan explains why in the Vaer A12 video.
how much?
+ Tommy Sands: $899 (c. £820)
@@ArmandTheWatchGuy not bad. i have seen some micros that are over $1K ridiculous
@@zillsburyy1 i have seen micros with better specs at 500$ 👍🏻 mitch mason for example
@@MarcelitoRecords i like HEIMDALLR, HELM, ZELOS & SAN MARTIN
Kind of expensive. No hacking? You can get Hamiltons, Archimede and SWC that have more value.
Nice opportunistic over-pricing there, but not going to fool the Savvy collectors who can and will get Much More for Less or the same.
We appreciate you taking the time to view the video! Just a quick heads up, our offering is actually on the lowest end of any other pieces with ETA 7001 currently available. For other references, check out Farer Hudson, Nomos Tangente, or Stowa Antea, each of which house an ETA 7001 and retail for $1,100+
@@VaerWatches Hi you Vaer guys 😊. I doubt that it´s a good idea to argue with this price thing, the Vaer A12 is a contribution to the current military watch "revival" like the Timor, Freese 53, Smiths and others. To call it an homage is unfriendly to say the least. I´m still a bit undetermined between the Timor and the Vaer. The Timor has the right brand name while the Vaer has the much more interesting movement...........😊...........difficult to decide 😢 BUT thats part o the fun !!
Please tell us: where can we can get a DD watch reissue coming with the right (tiny)size (35 - 38 mm), a sapphire, such a great hand-cranker movement with a small second at 600, and all the right bits and features ? I´m keen to learn about this !!
@@peterkull8354 Timor heritage field watch is the absolute closest thing out there to a true DD watch. I own the a-12, Timor, and the vertex m-100. Another absolute gem is the smiths Prs-29, hard to get but man are they nice, even have anti-magnetic cage in them along with hacking movement. I own the prs-29a (white dial with heat blued hands), by far my favorite watch in my collection
My Wenger Terragraph is "Swiss", keeps great time, and much less.
Modern soldiers use G Shocks
My old Fat Lady sure is a perfect tool watch. If I wanedt a Casio I simply bought one - BUT - I like my watch collecting hobby.....so why not buy a DD watch or some modern substitute? Who cares what a "modern" soldier uses?
No way I’m paying 800 for that type of finishing
finishing on what?
Not quite, original is always best...why be a poser? I prefer world war 1 trench watches, still can be had for the average soldiers budget.
Excellent review. Over priced watch.
Not over priced at all. Worth the little bit of money.
Way over priced. Get the real thing with timor.
@@Beck-Stein what's the full name of the timor
@@Beck-Stein after doing some research the best dd watch overall, (including the practicality and value for you pay is the smiths), they have equal heritage like the timor and it also has better specs, i would not look for anything else when buying a dd watch other than the smiths
@@marcdave9521 i would still buy a timor instead as smiths was not one of the 12 dirty dozen watch manufacturers
Too small and "made in America" raises the price too much compared to the competition. Shame, it's a nice looking watch otherwise.
Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
What competition?
@@peterkull8354 Hamilton is the obvious one, but Bulova, CWC, O&W, (all that have genuine military history) and a whole host of microbrands.
@@stevefox8605 I have the 38mm Hamilton Khaki handwinder, the CWC GG-W-113 reissue, and I just gave away an O&W.None of these watches is on a par with this A12 (no DD watches😒😒 ) There are 3 contenders in the DD range: the Timor, the Vaer and the Vertex. Each of these watches has its pros and cons..........and it is part of the fun to make a choice 😂😂.
@@peterkull8354 excellent reply, I'll give 'em a look. Cheers mate 👍🏻
@@stevefox8605 Hi Steve. Altough the 38mm Hamilton Khaki handwinder is not a DD watch or a DD reissue, I must say: This Hamilton looks and feels the business and I recommend this little ticker because it comes close to what I call: The perfect wrist watch (if there is any) + it is affordable + its reliable + it is mechanical + it features a sapphire crystal + it is not such a fat oversized lookalike ! There is a bronze version available now - sure this is nothing for the purist - but a real stunner (at least for me).
Seriously what is the target audience for these watches? If someone wanted a well know WW2-styled aviator/military watch they would spend money on IWC or Hamilton, which has the name and history recognition. Is it for sports? Because with so many watches around there are many other options that offer better functionality for sports.
Is the target audience military? Because most people I knew in the military used G-shocks, Seikos, whatever affordable watch they buy. Occasionally you saw an officer sporting a Breitling/Omega or even someone with an MTM or a Tissot. Seriously I doubt anyone in the military would spend $800-900 dollars for a plain watch.
Hi, don´t take this whole issue too serious. This Vaer A12 is a lovely reminiscence of the old DD watch with a most beautiful Pesseux 7001 inside, so why not ? The Timor is the direct competitor product with the right name and a less attractive movement. This is definitely not the watch for a soldier.
800€ 😂 CWC or Hamilton all the way!
Bertucci A-11T ... about $235 or Bdr Venture Titanium Automatic small seconds about $339 (or even Boldr Venture Carbon Black $229).
Is there a WWW A12 watch in their product line ?
Just a quick heads up, the bulk of our line in much more affordable (automatics in the $500-$700 range). This specific watch is intended to be directed toward more vintage collectors, housing a much more expensive ETA 7001. We do have great quartz field watches starting at $209 and automatic field watches at $499.
@@VaerWatches hi there whats the name of the $499 automatic field watch that you have?
If they could bring the price down to like, $300 to $400, it would be very nice. But right now, I'll stick with the other brands that give me the same thing for less.
The "same thing"? Like what?
@@Sifo_Dyas i think he means like technical specs and functionality for the price, he dosen't care about the movement, only water resistance, lume, legibility, etc.
I feel Vaer Dirty Dozen does not exactly follow the original design, the small dial is smaller than original and also shifted above, which make it looks less genuine.
The everyman's military watch is vostok Komandirskie or timex lol
I always feel blue AR cheapens the look of a watch. Reminds me of something off AliExpress. But then again Hamilton doesn’t use any so…
I ask with sincere ignorance: are there different anti-reflection colors than blue?
Somewhere out there is an Asian taking notes
i believe the smiths are a better value
Damn the so called duality of this watch doesnt make any sense. For one, 800 dollars is not considered affordable for non enthusiast crowd. And the enthusiasts care just as much about ruggedness as everyone else, if not more, especially when buying a field watch. Honestly i think your theory is really random.
Life is full of compromises. Unfortunately, there are few DD inspired watches that offer 100M WR and hand winding. In fact, there are few military inspired watches that offer both of these specs in a traditional form factor.
Perhaps, someday, someone will offer a solar digital powered DD style watch. That could be priced much more reasonably.
For now, you have options like CWC, Hamilton (pilot pioneer), Timor, Time Factors (Smiths), and Kuoe (a Japanese microbrand who make Smiths inspired watches).
Note that, you can routinely see a 15% discount from list on the VAER website, and occasionally they offer a 20% discount. That helps a bit.
this vis a luxuay item=not affordable price range
For this price it's competing with the Timor Heritage Field, which looks like a more faithful reproduction of a dirty dozen watch, and by one of the original companies. Hard to prefer the Vaer.
The Timor is a sweet looking watch and is currently unavailable. Assuming you don't use the 15% off discount that pops up with the Vaer the Timor is still 27% higher, in dollars, than the Vaer. I consider that more than just competing.
Not really the same company. Someone bought the rights to the name and crowdsourced the funds to make the watch. Hardly the original.
@@JamesShander Ah I didn't know that! A point worth making. Same thing always bugs me a little when I look at the Timefactors brands. It's not reeeeeally 'Smiths' any more. Same thing with Timor is it then? Interesting. Anyway, I'm more than happy with my Baltany dirty dozen for a tenth of the price.
@@howard2501 i just realized the smiths destroy these
@@marcdave9521 what, the PRS29?
No broad arrow on the dial. ☹️
Exhibition case back 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
That would have been nice
not affordable
Roaches! Blonde leg hairs! Kids jumping up in my lap! Corn pop was a bad dude! You know the thing! Hunter is the smartest guy I know! C’mon man. I got the F-15s and the nukes.
I just bought a Kingsbury MS3 Batallion for $179 USD. Much better value than this watch.
Hi Simon, I like your Kingsbury MS3 Batallion a lot. 👍👍👍 It is a real - military - inspired time piece like my old GG 113, my Hamilton Khaki handwound or my Freese 53. With its Seiko automatik movement its nice to have, however far away from the class of this Pesseux 7001 driven Vaer. Don´t get me wrong, you got a good and reliable watch that looks the business. The Vaer is a bolt WWW and with this lovely ticker inside is something more for the heart tooooo😊
@@peterkull8354 Peter, you must have missed the word "value" in my post. The Vaer is a lovely watch but in terms of value for $ in no way is it $620 USD a better watch than the Kingsbury. Too many reviews never seem to take in the $ cost of items they show. I guarantee you that the price/value ratio is important to more people than you think.
@@Sedge63 Hi Simon, didn´t miss your "value" word. I just guess that I value this piece entirely different than you do. I must admit that I´m a real mad watch collector (sorry Russ😊!) as I spend my bucks on Rolex, JL, Minerva, Wittnauer, O&W, MAS, Direnzo and many others. Do you think that an old, used 1973 Hamilton GG -113 Mil Spec Vietnam era watch in mint condition is less valuable than your Kingsbury ?😂
Not worth it. Just get a hammy or a seiko
lol with that price just no
A $800 "affordable" 100m water resistant watch.🤦♂️ no thanks, I'll keep my 10 year old accurate 200m water resistant Invicta pro diver.
do you even dive bro? the watch is aimed for collectors only, if ur looking for the best value dd watch out there that also has some brand heritage go for the smiths
The movement looks like overpriced garbage, which in fact it is
No comment !😒😒😒
Over priced Swiss Junk !
Harsh...the Vertex is definitely over priced as it offers the same movement at 3x the price
👍👍👍👍 Hi Daniel, you´re totally right and - at the same time - I love this "Over priced Swiss Junk" like my old 1985 Fat Lady or my Bubbleback. I even love my used old american mil. spec. GG-113 (1973) Hamilton with all those blemishes and by faaaaaaar toooooo expensive. Hey it´s just for the fun of it 😂😂😂 I wonder on what kinda junk you spend your bucks on ?