These are the type of videos I truly appreciate. It’s not just that it’s an interview with an Apple representative accountable in an arena of interest or importance - it’s the quality of the interview itself.
iCloud and Photos are E2EE at transit but can be unlocked at rest by Apple support to aid in recovery. For the vast majority of people, having someone steal their documents or photos is not a real concern, but losing access to them due to forgotten password or lost device is a major, way more common concern. Apple was flooded with those support problems in the first fail-secure version of 2-step authentication. It's like encrypting a backup drive - if it fails, there's no way to recover your data. I think Apple adding recovery contacts is a step towards bringing back encrypted backups. I do think it should be an option but most people shouldn't use it.
@@74862 My guess is it's a complicated architectural model to deploy in a user-friendly way. Like some backup software requires you to make your own encrypted disk images before uploading. It also prevents web portal access (which is why Dropbox keeps decryption keys, or you couldn't access your files remotely)
This was a great opportunity to updating us on the csam plans and how the user feedback impacted their next steps, but I guess there is still no consensus of it in house. Good job though
I don’t think there will ever be a real consensus in house or out, eventually someone, aka Cook, will just have to make a decision and deal with it. Remember doing the “right” thing is not always the popular or easiest move especially at first. Hopefully in the end it does more good than harm?
Rene, I love these types of videos; hearing more information and in-depth break downs are something we never get, especially from a 5 minute segment in a keynote. Awesome! Would love an interview to see how researchkit is helping those with covid… anyway, keep it up bud!
This interview is the only one truly made with the main theme of the day in mind: user privacy. Watched many more whose hosts get side-tracked and start talking about other things. The quality of this video is just impressive. Well done Rene!
This is really great!! Thanks for the amazing in depth interview. Would love to see more of this. As a university instructor for IT, I’ll also share this video with my class when we get to the privacy topic. ❤️
Wow I love all of these Apple Vp interviews , it’s soo fascinating to learn from the individuals actually creating these products and features and get a little insight into what they’re thinking. It’s soo cool 😎 thanks Rene you are absolutely Amazing !
Man I love this stuff. Props for finding the right people, securing the interview, and bringing thoughtful questions and analysis forward so we all have a better idea how this stuff works and why. Another home run!
@@ReneRitchie To tell you the truth, in true Apple fashion, I didn’t even know I needed this interview. 😀. But I would find it interesting to hear more about Apple’s app review process.
@@ReneRitchie I agree with Mike Emerson that this was a good and informative interview. I would love to see an in-depth interview with Matthew D. Green regarding his concerns about Apple's privacy plans and practices.
Love the video. Something at about the 4:30 mark that reminded me of an annoyance I've observed is on-device processing of photo recognition. Works great, except that my Mac, iPad, and iPhone all have to process my entire photo library separately and don't share photo recognition info between the devices. Bit of an annoyance when setting up a new device. I get the privacy angle, but we can't share info between devices or sync processing info to the same iCloud account?
Nice piece, Rene, as usual. I'd love to see your detailed take on whether Apple should incorporate RCS into the messages app, a la Marques's recent video on the subject. I know it's not a perfect solution and ulterior motives abound for all parties involved but my gut take is that it's better than SMS/MMS in that at least one-to-one conversations could be encrypted. Something is better than nothing I believe in this case and while I don't have the highest opinion of Google in this context, I certainly trust them more than the carriers as far as implementing RCS. If Apple really holds privacy in as high regard as it says, I think their actions (or lack thereof in this case) are speaking louder than their words.
I don't get it, people just have to use Telegram or other messaging apps. Why is the burden on apple? This is an American problem, not an apple problem.
Would be interested to see the Google equivalent of this interview. How they balance adding these features to their devices but at same time their business model relies on this data. Originally Android Gingerbread had a nutrition label of all the permission an app needed up front when you installed it and how it’s been returning to having that model like app.
Super great interview on such an important topic. But I also think there was a missed opportunity to ask about default SMS in non imessages and how that is end to end encrypted and how is there any thinking to changing the default non-iMessage format to something more secure more updated to match their safety standards. I would have loved to hear about this very thing.
Excellent piece Rene. What I am still frustrated with, even with all that Apple does for privacy, has to do with messages. I still get BS/Phising group texts. I would like for Apple to have an option to forward the text to some gathering system that can root out these phony pieces of junk. "Blocking" these idiots does not stop it.
the Internet is just like Swiss cheese -- full of privacy holes. Apple is certainly better at some data privacy protection than the other data stealers like Google, Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft....and the list goes on and on. Best anyone can do is turn off as much as you can and avail yourself of the tools that you think might help. But nation states (governments) are huge spies and data gatherers...After all government's mission by definition: is the AUTHORITATIVE (laws and guns) allocation of social resources and values and thus have total control...just depends how much and how they go about getting individual's data....governments drinks from the data fire hose 24/7 (the US is probably No. 1 worldwide). Even doing all you can would take lots of time and there would still be leaks to whatever one constructed. Again, turn off and re-structure as much data as you are willing to so as not to impact what you think you just must have access to for some reason or might impact your personal jeopardy/risk assessment. I am guessing most folks don't know and don't want to think about it; don't want to be depressed:)
The implications of making the code open source is not all sunshine and roses. Just because the code is open source doesn't mean that code is being monitored all the time, and doesn't mean people analyzing and modifying that code are all people with good intentions.
I just realized this amazing reviewer doesn’t have over a million subscribers. What?! Anyway, thank you for this and all of your other awesome content!
He speak about end to end encryption with iMessage where Apple can’t read the data But if iCloud backup is activated, the key is stored in the backup… And the backup ISNT end to end encrypted which means that Apple has the key to read what’s in the backup and so the iMessage data Fortunately data like iCloud Keychain and health are not stored in the backup and so stay private no matter what But I find it a bit contradictory that Apple says that everything is encrypted and they can’t see the data but just with the backup they can see it - and of course iCloud backup is active by default
He said that here the problem is ppl forgetting passwords and Apple was flooded with ways to recover the data and they had to do what they are doing now
I really admire the way Apple manages each time to create new sources of revenue or recover market share from its competitors on the basis of ecology or privacy 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽.
I love this style of content. I hope the privacy aspect of our phones (iOS and android) will improve and be a standard in the future. I feel like services that demand a lot of your personal data and using it for marketing should be going away. Many services that are paid even use our data for other stuff than providing functionality of an app or service. That needs to change.
This was amazing! It’s always awesome to have insight into how Apple as a company views things like privacy and security. My one critique is I’d love to see Apple’s answers to concerns about how they store their Chinese customers data on Chinese servers and how they reconcile that with their values.
It's a tough discussion because China is China and the politics become explosive quickly, but they're not the only country that wants data repatriation. France has sued Microsoft over it. Some other countries don't trust the US or US servers (or any other servers) with their citizens' data. My guess is more countries not less will want localized servers in the future?
@@ReneRitchie thanks for the reply! Definitely is a tough discussion. Especially since anything those folks say they’re kinda saying on behalf of Apple which makes it more challenging too I imagine. I also don’t think having that countries data on a server in that country is inherently bad, just that some governments (most I would say) aren’t the best at taking care of people’s data in safe and secure ways.
@@ReneRitchie agree, when you have servers in your home country that country always has a chance to affect how it it used stored etc. this could be good, if your in a country that respects rights…. I mean if your France or another country why would you not want your country’s data stored within your borders?
@@Devyn89 Especially if it's China. You know they're not asking Apple to store their customers' data because they value their citizens' privacy, they do it to have maximum control over the data that foreign companies gather from their citizens.
I still don’t understand why 90% of 3rd party apps request permission to discover / connect to other devices on my network. It’s rarely explained *why* or what it does for that app.
@@ReneRitchie its the reviews and apple stuff u tell , with all the modifiers , parallelisms etc etc , and the marvel stuff u include and I remember this one “ apple MDK the intel”” haha , it was cool
It started off that way but far too many mainstream users were locking themselves out and losing their data. For the average person, data loss is a way bigger issue than data theft. But, I think Apple adding new recovery tools means they might be heading back in that direction? It should at least be an option, even though 90% of people shouldn't use it (as it would prevent data recovery).
@@ReneRitchie It should definitely be an option. It would address one of the issues that power users like me complain about when it comes to Apple services: comprising choice for the sake of simplicity for the average user.
I hate to sound paranoid but I’ve been unable to post the link, quotes or title to that Ars Technica article that deals with the RCS ancient 2008 standard and Google pushing their VERSION. Apple’s iMessage has end to end encryption, RCS does not. Why would Apple drop their privacy feature to adopt Google’s?
Was hoping there would be some discussion about the AirTag problem with stalking women. It’s a huge safety problem and that product needs to be recalled. Very bad for Apple and undermined all the work they are have done on privacy because it’s safety issue now.
I did a whole interview on AirTags with an Apple VP when they were announced! AirTags would be the dumbest way to stalk somebody because they tattletale all the time. That's how they're getting found. Tile, Samsung Tags, $30 GPS trackers on Amazon, none of those tattletale. AirTags can also be traced back to the device of the person using them. Concern is always good, but AirTags are sub-optimal for stalking (also theft recovery - which makes other people mad, but is a similar safety issue). They're genuinely only optimized for finding lost items.
Rene Ritchie, when will Apple provides iPad version WhatsApp in the App Store? And, can Apple products be safe from Pegasus Spyware in the future iOS products? My most concern is security and privacy. Thanks for your interview with Apple.
Apple can’t provide WhatsApp for iPad. WhatsApp has to make it. And they haven’t chosen to do that yet. Apple is suing the company that makes Pegasus, and they’re sending warnings to any device that they detect might be compromised. There are recent news articles up on both of those things, you can find them through Google!
Why didn’t you ask him about on-device scanning? Perhaps a discussion with deeper privacy implications than anything you covered here and it barely gets an implied nod in the intro?
Because it's already a very fresh topic and you can see this guy called Erik Neuenschwander also felt the heat coming from that when Rene briefly mentioned what's happening there. He's speaking for Apple, but he himself is also a human. Rene is not an attorney and they're not speaking in a court, or an interrogation room. What were you really expecting?
Chose not to mention email protocols are intrinsically not safe, they were not designed to be a secured way of communication. Or how to verify Apple's claim of being trustworthy to handle these communications for customers.
Yes e-mail is not the safest thing in the world, but they're still widely used, and you can't expect Apple to just all of a sudden close access to e-mail for all of its customers or introduce and alternative to them and have lawsuits raining all over them. For now the best thing they can do is get around some of the privacy holes open in the e-mail protocol. Also this is just the beginning of their efforts, they don't announce new features before they're ready to announce them (which typically is around June every year at their developer conference called WWDC). As for how to 'verify' their claims, some of the criticisms (that are hopefully constructive instead of descructive) are definitely fair there, but in general you can't really verify that sort of thing, but you can get a feel, based on the people working at that company. But again, this is all just the beginning, Apple is slowly closing almost all of its privacy holes on its platforms.
I think lay people like me are still not sure how to interpret and use those app privacy labels. I see them, but not sure if I should load it because it seems scary. Apple is calling out what the apps are doing, but why are these apps on the store if they are collecting my info ? I don’t get it, how am I suppose to use it. Sometimes we don’t have a choice if school or work says you have to use the app, yet the app is collecting data. I think the App Store needs stronger enforcement on Apple’s end because we users are not sure what to do.
Eh? You want Apple to completely decide which apps you can use and determine for you what is an acceptable risk? Apple already is pretty firm and forbidding, e.g. with ‘adult’ content. The wiser and sustainable model is to shine a harsh light on what apps are up to. Two effects from that, user education on what risks they are willing to take and give the more active users ‘sticks and info’ to hit the blatantly misbehaving ones (FB anyone?) The fact that Google and FaceBook are not happy with Apple tells me they are on the right track. However, am not willing to hand Apple a blank check as you seemed to be asking for. Take care mate! 👍
Appreciate the Privacy conversation. New youths seem to lack a sense of a right to privacy. It’s time us old farts start talking more about why privacy matters.
iMessage is not meaningfully end to end encrypted. If you use iCloud backup (most users leave it on because it’s on by default) your iMessage keys are uploaded to iCloud readable by Apple. As privacy has gotten more complicated Apple has slowly shifted the burden of making trade offs onto the users, who in most cases are not capable of making those decisions, they should figure out what the right thing is for everyone and just do it! Not leave us in the grey to find our way.
@@utubekullanicisi That’s true for some things, but telling users that iMessage is end to end encrypted and then uploading the the keys to iCloud when you use iCloud backup (which is on by default and most users don’t know about or how to change that) is not right. iMessages should be between the people in the conversation not Apple and if you have iCloud backup on Apple gets them.
Apple statement as of September: "Based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers, and others, we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features"
@@thathappyrat "Quietly" no, they know if they "quietly" add that, at least as is without making any changes to how it works, they know the outspoken people of the internet about privacy will bring it up to the spotlight again. They will modify it, make it even more privacy preserving than it currently is in its 1st implementation (which is the most privacy preserving CSAM scanning implementation in the industry right now already), and then ship it.
The was just a press opportunity for Apple to explain various privacy features with a friendly journalist. No questioning about Apple's complicity with the Communist Party of China and the lack of privacy in one of its biggest markets. Perhaps Rene doesn't want to lose access to his Apple sources by raising this topic...
You guys think you're all too smart, but these kinds of things are more nuanced than just "perhaps X doesn't want to risk losing access to Y". We don't even understand what's going on between Apple and China. If you're concerned about privacy you probably shouldn't reside in a country like China anyway. Apple could be in that market so that if one day the Chinese government is changed to a less totalitarian regime, they could just turn on a couple of switches and boom, the already existing Apple device owners have their privacy again.
@@utubekullanicisi I wasn't criticizing Apple, I was criticizing Rene. Apple has a great PR department to tell me what it wants us to know; journalists are supposed to seek truth. For example: you could ask Apple how there commitment to privacy is apparent in their dealings with authoritarian regimes, e.g. Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, etc.
Because you don't want Erik Neuenschwander to die from stress? This is not an interrogation, it's an interview. If you were expecting him to talk more about that, you're a child.
These are the type of videos I truly appreciate. It’s not just that it’s an interview with an Apple representative accountable in an arena of interest or importance - it’s the quality of the interview itself.
Thanks so much! What would you like to see next?
@@ReneRitchie Definitely more interviews with the people actually working at the companies we interact with every day. Loved this video, thank you!
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@@matoflynn Agreed! Very very relevant for these times.
This is exactly what I ask Rene for in the new year and he delivered. More interviews with subject matter experts.
Ha, thank you!
Good interview. Apple's policy on privacy is one of the top reasons I buy their products.
Same!
I concur
Apple's practices are garbage. If you really want to experience true privacy switch to PostmarketOS.
Nice interview. I'm hoping Apple extends end-to-end encryption to iCloud Drive and Photos next.
Apple tried to do end-to-end encryption but then it pissed off the government too much so Apple backed down from end-to-encryption on more services
iCloud and Photos are E2EE at transit but can be unlocked at rest by Apple support to aid in recovery. For the vast majority of people, having someone steal their documents or photos is not a real concern, but losing access to them due to forgotten password or lost device is a major, way more common concern. Apple was flooded with those support problems in the first fail-secure version of 2-step authentication. It's like encrypting a backup drive - if it fails, there's no way to recover your data. I think Apple adding recovery contacts is a step towards bringing back encrypted backups. I do think it should be an option but most people shouldn't use it.
@@74862 My guess is it's a complicated architectural model to deploy in a user-friendly way. Like some backup software requires you to make your own encrypted disk images before uploading. It also prevents web portal access (which is why Dropbox keeps decryption keys, or you couldn't access your files remotely)
@@ReneRitchie spot on
When the manufacturer has decryption keys its no longer end to end encryption. They misuse terms and deceive people and normies just eat it up lol.
You can tell Erik actually likes and cares about his job. Thanks for sharing, Rene!
This was a great opportunity to updating us on the csam plans and how the user feedback impacted their next steps, but I guess there is still no consensus of it in house. Good job though
Yeah, nothing new there. They're still working on it.
I don’t think there will ever be a real consensus in house or out, eventually someone, aka Cook, will just have to make a decision and deal with it. Remember doing the “right” thing is not always the popular or easiest move especially at first. Hopefully in the end it does more good than harm?
Wow! I didn’t realize that Sign In with Apple had such rigorous anonymity built in.
Rene, I love these types of videos; hearing more information and in-depth break downs are something we never get, especially from a 5 minute segment in a keynote. Awesome! Would love an interview to see how researchkit is helping those with covid… anyway, keep it up bud!
Great interview: I enjoyed it very much and always learn. I look forward to future interviews. Blessings on your day!
You too Jeff!
This interview is the only one truly made with the main theme of the day in mind: user privacy. Watched many more whose hosts get side-tracked and start talking about other things. The quality of this video is just impressive. Well done Rene!
Thanks so much, appreciate the feedback!
What a great interview. Thanks for posting.
Now:
We need Rene and Craig together
We need Rene and Tim together
Rene’s quality of interview is pretty good
Ha! One day, I wish!
This is really great!! Thanks for the amazing in depth interview. Would love to see more of this.
As a university instructor for IT, I’ll also share this video with my class when we get to the privacy topic. ❤️
Wow I love all of these Apple Vp interviews , it’s soo fascinating to learn from the individuals actually creating these products and features and get a little insight into what they’re thinking. It’s soo cool 😎 thanks Rene you are absolutely Amazing !
Man I love this stuff. Props for finding the right people, securing the interview, and bringing thoughtful questions and analysis forward so we all have a better idea how this stuff works and why. Another home run!
Thanks so much!
Great great great interview. Love it. More of this please.
Security/privacy information access … the reason why I switched back to Mac… oh yes and minimal updates. I love the privacy reports !! Thank you
One of the best informative interviews I've watched in a long time.
Thanks so much! What else would you like to see?
@@ReneRitchie To tell you the truth, in true Apple fashion, I didn’t even know I needed this interview. 😀. But I would find it interesting to hear more about Apple’s app review process.
@@ReneRitchie I agree with Mike Emerson that this was a good and informative interview. I would love to see an in-depth interview with Matthew D. Green regarding his concerns about Apple's privacy plans and practices.
Love the video. Something at about the 4:30 mark that reminded me of an annoyance I've observed is on-device processing of photo recognition. Works great, except that my Mac, iPad, and iPhone all have to process my entire photo library separately and don't share photo recognition info between the devices. Bit of an annoyance when setting up a new device. I get the privacy angle, but we can't share info between devices or sync processing info to the same iCloud account?
Underrated problem
Always expect timely informative interviews from you Rene and you never disappoint!
Great interview! 💯 I am going to use the hide your email feature. Please keep doing more videos from the experts of Apple.
Apple privacy is probably the best on the planet! Thx for great work Erik! keep it up:)
I wish they did this for cell phone numbers; I am really starting to not like giving it out
Nice piece, Rene, as usual. I'd love to see your detailed take on whether Apple should incorporate RCS into the messages app, a la Marques's recent video on the subject. I know it's not a perfect solution and ulterior motives abound for all parties involved but my gut take is that it's better than SMS/MMS in that at least one-to-one conversations could be encrypted. Something is better than nothing I believe in this case and while I don't have the highest opinion of Google in this context, I certainly trust them more than the carriers as far as implementing RCS. If Apple really holds privacy in as high regard as it says, I think their actions (or lack thereof in this case) are speaking louder than their words.
A big miss on not addressing RCS.
I don't get it, people just have to use Telegram or other messaging apps. Why is the burden on apple? This is an American problem, not an apple problem.
@@luisaelago thank you, well said
Would be interested to see the Google equivalent of this interview. How they balance adding these features to their devices but at same time their business model relies on this data. Originally Android Gingerbread had a nutrition label of all the permission an app needed up front when you installed it and how it’s been returning to having that model like app.
Super great interview on such an important topic. But I also think there was a missed opportunity to ask about default SMS in non imessages and how that is end to end encrypted and how is there any thinking to changing the default non-iMessage format to something more secure more updated to match their safety standards. I would have loved to hear about this very thing.
the expert is so easy to listen to and doesn’t make things too difficult to understand
Grate interview,fantastic video as always.
THIS is important stuff!! I wish people talked more about this topics rather than the notch !
Excellent piece Rene. What I am still frustrated with, even with all that Apple does for privacy, has to do with messages. I still get BS/Phising group texts. I would like for Apple to have an option to forward the text to some gathering system that can root out these phony pieces of junk. "Blocking" these idiots does not stop it.
Rene you knock these right outta the park! Love it !!! You are the best content creator out there period… done! 👍🏼😁👍🏼
Awesome interview!! And by the way, it looks like the guy's sitting in the old Infinite Loop Apple campus
Thanks for the focus on this and this awesome interview!
the Internet is just like Swiss cheese -- full of privacy holes. Apple is certainly better at some data privacy protection than the other data stealers like Google, Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft....and the list goes on and on. Best anyone can do is turn off as much as you can and avail yourself of the tools that you think might help. But nation states (governments) are huge spies and data gatherers...After all government's mission by definition: is the AUTHORITATIVE (laws and guns) allocation of social resources and values and thus have total control...just depends how much and how they go about getting individual's data....governments drinks from the data fire hose 24/7 (the US is probably No. 1 worldwide). Even doing all you can would take lots of time and there would still be leaks to whatever one constructed. Again, turn off and re-structure as much data as you are willing to so as not to impact what you think you just must have access to for some reason or might impact your personal jeopardy/risk assessment. I am guessing most folks don't know and don't want to think about it; don't want to be depressed:)
Love your channel more and more Rene.
Oh how I miss Rene’s uploads. ❤❤❤😢😢
If Apple wants to be truly private, the code should be open source.
The implications of making the code open source is not all sunshine and roses. Just because the code is open source doesn't mean that code is being monitored all the time, and doesn't mean people analyzing and modifying that code are all people with good intentions.
Rene for the Oscar in the interviewer category.
Amazing ✅ i was listening so deep not to miss anything, so much informative
I just realized this amazing reviewer doesn’t have over a million subscribers. What?! Anyway, thank you for this and all of your other awesome content!
I absolutely love this! Interview thank you!!
great interview and topic, thank you Rene and Apple
He speak about end to end encryption with iMessage where Apple can’t read the data
But if iCloud backup is activated, the key is stored in the backup…
And the backup ISNT end to end encrypted which means that Apple has the key to read what’s in the backup and so the iMessage data
Fortunately data like iCloud Keychain and health are not stored in the backup and so stay private no matter what
But I find it a bit contradictory that Apple says that everything is encrypted and they can’t see the data but just with the backup they can see it - and of course iCloud backup is active by default
Yeah, Rene talked about this
He said that here the problem is ppl forgetting passwords and Apple was flooded with ways to recover the data and they had to do what they are doing now
Also, there are governments
@@saileshrachapudi8486 at least give the choice for the consumer
@@ColonelLucario you are right, but ppl are idiots they would opt for security and then pester apple when they lose the password
Excellent interview!
I really admire the way Apple manages each time to create new sources of revenue or recover market share from its competitors on the basis of ecology or privacy 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽.
Wow 🤩 another amazing video again from you Rene I’m very happy to see and watching again your Video Good Evening From Philippines 🤩😍💯
Awesome interview.
I love this style of content. I hope the privacy aspect of our phones (iOS and android) will improve and be a standard in the future. I feel like services that demand a lot of your personal data and using it for marketing should be going away. Many services that are paid even use our data for other stuff than providing functionality of an app or service. That needs to change.
Agree
Nice interview Rene!
Thanks so much, what would you like to see next?
@@ReneRitchie it would be better to see more behind in Private Relay.
Great video interviews! I love hearing from 🍎, thanks Rene.
Hide My Email would allow me to get rid of a bunch of burner emails I currently maintain. Great idea!
This was amazing! It’s always awesome to have insight into how Apple as a company views things like privacy and security. My one critique is I’d love to see Apple’s answers to concerns about how they store their Chinese customers data on Chinese servers and how they reconcile that with their values.
It's a tough discussion because China is China and the politics become explosive quickly, but they're not the only country that wants data repatriation. France has sued Microsoft over it. Some other countries don't trust the US or US servers (or any other servers) with their citizens' data. My guess is more countries not less will want localized servers in the future?
@@ReneRitchie thanks for the reply! Definitely is a tough discussion. Especially since anything those folks say they’re kinda saying on behalf of Apple which makes it more challenging too I imagine. I also don’t think having that countries data on a server in that country is inherently bad, just that some governments (most I would say) aren’t the best at taking care of people’s data in safe and secure ways.
@@ReneRitchie agree, when you have servers in your home country that country always has a chance to affect how it it used stored etc. this could be good, if your in a country that respects rights…. I mean if your France or another country why would you not want your country’s data stored within your borders?
@@Devyn89 Especially if it's China. You know they're not asking Apple to store their customers' data because they value their citizens' privacy, they do it to have maximum control over the data that foreign companies gather from their citizens.
Rene I think you should do a collab/interview with Rob Braxman discussing privacy on iPhone...
Great interview!
🙂 Very nice and interesting interview ! 👍
Helps me to understating apple better (Thanks Rene for another great video)
Helps me understand Apple better*
Crushed it Rene, where is our portal watch, hello!
GREAT VIDEO. Privacy should be a top consideration
Rene is the GOAT 🐐 of Tech Media
I still remember CSAM, I will no be fooled
You mean, the most privacy preserving CSAM scanning implementation of any company out there?
i really like these interviews
I still don’t understand why 90% of 3rd party apps request permission to discover / connect to other devices on my network. It’s rarely explained *why* or what it does for that app.
Well done, Rene!!
Amazing video edit ,
My gmat score increased with your way of talking 😬
Ha! Thank you! Any feature you're particularly interested in?
@@ReneRitchie its the reviews and apple stuff u tell , with all the modifiers , parallelisms etc etc , and the marvel stuff u include and I remember this one “ apple MDK the intel”” haha , it was cool
Many companies don’t even wanna talk about it.
Excellent Interview! Thank you 😊
Thanks for watching!
Excellent as always.
Absolutely loved this
I appreciate those videos.
For me privacy and security are just a couple of the many reasons I choose Apple products.
Apple needs to adopt rcs with google. It won’t destroy iMessage
Loved all of this
I want Apple to provide zero knowledge encryption on iCloud. Your thoughts on that.
It started off that way but far too many mainstream users were locking themselves out and losing their data. For the average person, data loss is a way bigger issue than data theft. But, I think Apple adding new recovery tools means they might be heading back in that direction? It should at least be an option, even though 90% of people shouldn't use it (as it would prevent data recovery).
@@ReneRitchie It should definitely be an option. It would address one of the issues that power users like me complain about when it comes to Apple services: comprising choice for the sake of simplicity for the average user.
Security is THE reason I buy apple. Quality doesn’t hurt… 😁
I hate to sound paranoid but I’ve been unable to post the link, quotes or title to that Ars Technica article that deals with the RCS ancient 2008 standard and Google pushing their VERSION. Apple’s iMessage has end to end encryption, RCS does not. Why would Apple drop their privacy feature to adopt Google’s?
RCS is still just immature. SMS is insecure, though, so I hope Apple finds a way to replace it eventually.
Was hoping there would be some discussion about the AirTag problem with stalking women. It’s a huge safety problem and that product needs to be recalled. Very bad for Apple and undermined all the work they are have done on privacy because it’s safety issue now.
I did a whole interview on AirTags with an Apple VP when they were announced! AirTags would be the dumbest way to stalk somebody because they tattletale all the time. That's how they're getting found. Tile, Samsung Tags, $30 GPS trackers on Amazon, none of those tattletale. AirTags can also be traced back to the device of the person using them. Concern is always good, but AirTags are sub-optimal for stalking (also theft recovery - which makes other people mad, but is a similar safety issue). They're genuinely only optimized for finding lost items.
How come you didn't mention that Apple excepts 15 billion per year from Google in order to be the default search engine
Can you change the default search engine ?
Is there any news about privacy with facebook?
Is anyone able to make out the books kept in the background from that Apple guy?
A very good interview
If Google wants to make money from my data then it should have pay me for it after getting permission from me to use it.
Great stuff.
very interesting interview !
Thanks for watching, what would you like to see next?
COVIDchina would certainly not allow any improvements in regards to privacy. They only want their privacy, not their citizens’
Rene Ritchie, when will Apple provides iPad version WhatsApp in the App Store? And, can Apple products be safe from Pegasus Spyware in the future iOS products? My most concern is security and privacy. Thanks for your interview with Apple.
Apple can’t provide WhatsApp for iPad. WhatsApp has to make it. And they haven’t chosen to do that yet. Apple is suing the company that makes Pegasus, and they’re sending warnings to any device that they detect might be compromised. There are recent news articles up on both of those things, you can find them through Google!
I loved the video!
Why didn’t you ask him about on-device scanning? Perhaps a discussion with deeper privacy implications than anything you covered here and it barely gets an implied nod in the intro?
Because it's already a very fresh topic and you can see this guy called Erik Neuenschwander also felt the heat coming from that when Rene briefly mentioned what's happening there. He's speaking for Apple, but he himself is also a human. Rene is not an attorney and they're not speaking in a court, or an interrogation room. What were you really expecting?
Why did you not talk about iCloud Backup encryption end-to-end and FBI?
Because this is not an interrogationi, but an interview?
Chose not to mention email protocols are intrinsically not safe, they were not designed to be a secured way of communication. Or how to verify Apple's claim of being trustworthy to handle these communications for customers.
Yes e-mail is not the safest thing in the world, but they're still widely used, and you can't expect Apple to just all of a sudden close access to e-mail for all of its customers or introduce and alternative to them and have lawsuits raining all over them. For now the best thing they can do is get around some of the privacy holes open in the e-mail protocol. Also this is just the beginning of their efforts, they don't announce new features before they're ready to announce them (which typically is around June every year at their developer conference called WWDC). As for how to 'verify' their claims, some of the criticisms (that are hopefully constructive instead of descructive) are definitely fair there, but in general you can't really verify that sort of thing, but you can get a feel, based on the people working at that company. But again, this is all just the beginning, Apple is slowly closing almost all of its privacy holes on its platforms.
wow, this is really interesting!
I think lay people like me are still not sure how to interpret and use those app privacy labels. I see them, but not sure if I should load it because it seems scary. Apple is calling out what the apps are doing, but why are these apps on the store if they are collecting my info ? I don’t get it, how am I suppose to use it. Sometimes we don’t have a choice if school or work says you have to use the app, yet the app is collecting data. I think the App Store needs stronger enforcement on Apple’s end because we users are not sure what to do.
Eh? You want Apple to completely decide which apps you can use and determine for you what is an acceptable risk? Apple already is pretty firm and forbidding, e.g. with ‘adult’ content. The wiser and sustainable model is to shine a harsh light on what apps are up to. Two effects from that, user education on what risks they are willing to take and give the more active users ‘sticks and info’ to hit the blatantly misbehaving ones (FB anyone?)
The fact that Google and FaceBook are not happy with Apple tells me they are on the right track. However, am not willing to hand Apple a blank check as you seemed to be asking for. Take care mate! 👍
@@abbofun9022 Agree
The ad is using a IKEA bag
Appreciate the Privacy conversation. New youths seem to lack a sense of a right to privacy. It’s time us old farts start talking more about why privacy matters.
Which airpods are you wearing, Rene?!
AirPods Pro, what are you using these days?
iMessage is not meaningfully end to end encrypted. If you use iCloud backup (most users leave it on because it’s on by default) your iMessage keys are uploaded to iCloud readable by Apple.
As privacy has gotten more complicated Apple has slowly shifted the burden of making trade offs onto the users, who in most cases are not capable of making those decisions, they should figure out what the right thing is for everyone and just do it! Not leave us in the grey to find our way.
I'd say they do a pretty dang good job of finding a balance between leaving some decisions to users, and deciding it for their users themselves.
@@utubekullanicisi That’s true for some things, but telling users that iMessage is end to end encrypted and then uploading the the keys to iCloud when you use iCloud backup (which is on by default and most users don’t know about or how to change that) is not right. iMessages should be between the people in the conversation not Apple and if you have iCloud backup on Apple gets them.
Great
What about the Apple client side photo scanning?
Apple statement as of September: "Based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers, and others, we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features"
I hope the CSAM scan will never EVER see the light of day. Go all the way Apple.
It will. They said so in December. It’s delayed but not cancelled. It’ll probably be quietly added to one of the upcoming point updates.
@@thathappyrat "Quietly" no, they know if they "quietly" add that, at least as is without making any changes to how it works, they know the outspoken people of the internet about privacy will bring it up to the spotlight again. They will modify it, make it even more privacy preserving than it currently is in its 1st implementation (which is the most privacy preserving CSAM scanning implementation in the industry right now already), and then ship it.
The was just a press opportunity for Apple to explain various privacy features with a friendly journalist. No questioning about Apple's complicity with the Communist Party of China and the lack of privacy in one of its biggest markets. Perhaps Rene doesn't want to lose access to his Apple sources by raising this topic...
You guys think you're all too smart, but these kinds of things are more nuanced than just "perhaps X doesn't want to risk losing access to Y". We don't even understand what's going on between Apple and China. If you're concerned about privacy you probably shouldn't reside in a country like China anyway. Apple could be in that market so that if one day the Chinese government is changed to a less totalitarian regime, they could just turn on a couple of switches and boom, the already existing Apple device owners have their privacy again.
@@utubekullanicisi I wasn't criticizing Apple, I was criticizing Rene. Apple has a great PR department to tell me what it wants us to know; journalists are supposed to seek truth. For example: you could ask Apple how there commitment to privacy is apparent in their dealings with authoritarian regimes, e.g. Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, etc.
Good that apple is trying to fix the problem in the early 2000s with growth of spams and ads everywhere no thanks to google.
Why not ask about the CSAM work?
Because you don't want Erik Neuenschwander to die from stress? This is not an interrogation, it's an interview. If you were expecting him to talk more about that, you're a child.