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OLED struggles with brightness? Are you kidding? At up to 1750 nits of peak brightness for OLED today. LCD struggles with contrast and the number of colours it can support. OLED goes way beyond what LCD can support with contrast and the total number of colours that a display can support. Nothing comes close to what OLED can support today. OLED is in the billions of colors, and LCD is still only in the millions of colors. Why do you think LCD is using thousands of backlighting LEDs to brighten, and to bring more contrast to LCD displays. Mini LED will ALWAYS BE behind AMOLED, period. Today AMOLED even supports faster refresh rates in comparision to LCD. Is Apple paying you to pump up Mini LED technology? Come on Rene, LCD has lost, everyone in the tech industry knows this as well.
IMO, Samsung's new QD-OLED technology could be adopted by Apple as it could help with some of the issues with WOLED until MicroLED is ready at this level of miniaturization.
As far as I recall, QD-OLED uses a similar approach to the Pro Display XDR, basically blue light filtered back to all the colors. Works fine on bigger panels but not sure it scales down to phones?
@@ReneRitchie Yes, QD-OLED uses three blue OLEDs and then uses Quantum Dots to convert two of them to Red and Green. So sticking with the current true RGB pentile structure used now might remain the best option for sub-16" devices.
All Samsung AMOLED display used PWM for brightness. Lot of people report eye strain due to it, I think it will be worse on big screen. If QD-OLED also use PWM then I will say no to the technology no matter how good it is.
OLED’s brightness and burn in problems are seriously overblown. Newer OLEDs have made large strides in solving these issues. And Mini-LED’s compromises are far worse IMO. Of course you have the blooming, but you also have some absurdly awful pixel response times. This has been an issue with Apple’s LCD devices in general, but the issue is particularly pronounced in the Mini-LED devices for some reason. Getting awful motion blur due to horrible response times defeats some of the purpose of even having a 120Hz display. Meanwhile OLEDs have near instant reponse times
Some vertical markets are well-served with modest response times. So just continue to specialize some monitors for those markets -- photography, office ...
I recently got an OLED TV and based on all the reviews, I was concerned it wouldn’t be bright enough. But guess what? I have it nowhere near full brightness and it’s plenty bright. Same with my phone!
@@AOqueso that's because you have settled. Once you put a real HDR Mini LED tv next to your OLED, you will hate your OLED and see it for what it really is. As dim as your candle.
My first oled device was the creative zen from 2006. The screen was so beautiful and i been love with oled ever since. My next oled device after that was the Samsung J3 back in 2016 and every phone i had since has been a Samsung with oled. I still have that J3 and my S8 and the colors are still as clean and beautiful as the day i bought it. Even after 5 or 6 years of use
apple this apple that ......Why so much credit to Apple. Its not just Apple , everybody is on board with MicroLed. Its everyones next generation technology. So its not Apple destroying OLED, its MicroLED destroying OLED.
Honestly, what a fantastic video! Your expertise is crazy. Your explanations are succinct but full of depth with added background on the history of usage. Your video quality with the visuals to accompany what your are talking about is incredible. I just had to say 👏👏👏 well done! I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos. Keep up the great work Rene!
I was hoping you would give a detailed explanation as to why OLED can’t scale up to iPad-sized displays but it can scale up to the 65” TV hanging on my wall.
I love the iPhone 13 Pro Max but unfortunately I had to stop using it because the PWM used in the OLED display was giving me terrible headaches and eye strain.
I thought that PWM on 13PM was reduced compared to the 12PM 🤔 According to zollotech at least Seems it isn’t solved yet But I don’t know if apple gonna give miniLED to iPhones
I traded my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 for a 2021 iPad Pro 12.9. It looked so good to me that springing for the 16 inch MacBook Pro was almost by reflex. They look that good. Closest thing yet to viewing a large Velvia film transparency on a light table. I’m not interested in OLEDs with their built in degradation function so my next upgrade will be from mini LED to micro LED. The future looks good.
Personally I think Apple will keep refining both their mini LED and OLED displays in the devices they're in now until micro LED is ready to replace both. I can see them putting micro LED in an Apple Watch first, then waiting a couple of years before bringing it to iPhones, iPads and Macs.
You have got to be kidding. Mini LED is still LCD, with LEDs in the back of the display to give the LCD panel more colors, and more contrast. That is something where OLED panels shine well beyond what any LCD can do, an a area where mini LED is trying to replicate, but it never will. AMOLED today supports billions of colors, and in the millions of contrast levels per pixel. Mini LED can't even come close, especially when one LED on the back of the LCD display is responsible for a few hundred pixels on a LCD display. Why do you think Mini LED displays bleed colors aroud the pixels that are suppose to be on. Mini LED will always be inferior to AMOLED.
@@sgodsellify You're partially right, but the thing about colours is just wrong, OLED isn't inherently able to produce more colours than LCD or mini LED, in fact, LCD is known for being more colour accurate due to the off-axis colour shift that OLED has, as well as the tendency of OLED manufacturers to calibrate the display slightly more blue so as to counter the faster degradation of the blue organic LEDs, which in turn leads to a redder image over time. OLED has the best contrast of any widely available display technology, I won't doubt that, but mini LED is *far* superior to regular LCD, all you have to do is compare a 2021 14" or 16" MacBook Pro to their predecessor and you'll see how much better the screen is. and while OLED is great for small screens like watches, phones and even maybe small tablets, it has brightness and panel quality issues, not to mention burn-in, when scaled to the size of a laptop. It's also harder to mass manufacture 120Hz OLED panels, Samsung was only able to provide the quantity Apple needed for their Pro iPhones last year despite the technology existing for several years prior, imagine how long it would take to manufacture millions of 16" 120Hz OLED displays. Personally, I'd take a mini LED laptop over an OLED one any day.
Rumor says they'll switch to OLED on all of their products, including iPad and MacBook. But before the rumors I also thought exactly that. Maybe after switching to OLED they're planning to switch to microLED, and if microLED doesn't catch up to OLED they'll continue using OLED from then on.
@@utubekullanicisi those rumours are saying it might happen in a few years so I wouldn't treat them as 100% accurate. Even if that's what Apple is internally testing right now, the plans might change and they may not ever actually switch those products to OLED. In fact there was a one leak which said only the lower end iPads would switch to OLED.
@@thebuddercweeper mini led is no where near as good as OLED. That part about the colors is BS, especially when there is some OLED displays that now can produce over a billion colors. As far as burn in concerns, today's OLED displays don't have the burn ins of yesteryear. The quality of OLED displays is so much better today. Besides smartphones and iPhones don't keep the same image on the screen for any great length of time.
I hope to see Microled be available to all of us later this decade. I will definitely get it replacing my OLED in the future since it's the same thing but with no burn in.
Qd oled could be the earliest solution to the burn in problem. We'll have to wait and see. At least it's already an existing and purchasable technology.
I hope not because mini LED might have more brightness it still can’t compete with the response time and deep blacks of an oled display. But considering apple already remove chargers and headphone jacks and now even oled screens from their MacBooks just to cut costs I won’t be surprised if they did the same with their phones. Considering oled is much more expansive than mini led.
@@ashx2405 micro led is NOT mini led, they are two completely different technologies (inform you better) micro led is the future, (micro-LED has absolute blacks, it also has all the advantages of LED without any defects of OLED) there is no way that micro-led can be worse than oled in something...(this is exactly the reason because Apple has been investing in it development to over 10 years right now) in effect makes no sense to Apple produce OLEDs, for obvious reasons they are aiming directly to the future.... in short, it wouldn't make any sense for them to start producing OLED (as soon as they start production OLED will already be obsolete, so the right move is to aim for micro-LED so as to be able to repay the investment in the coming decades and lead the screen sector of the future as well as emancipating itself for the entire line of various Macs, iPhones, iPads, smartwatches, etc...) ps: micro-LED is infinitely more expensive than OLED currently, in fact the whole delay in production line in the fact that they are looking for ways to reduce costs for mass assembly, so don't confuse micro-LED with mini-LED (they are two totally different things)
We'll have to see. I've seen some people claim even the LED subpixels in MicroLED will degrade at uneven rates, eventually resulting in burn-in, even if it's slower than on OLEDs.
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OLED and traditional LCD has far better motion response. As others have pointed out, having poor motion response, defeats the purpose of a high refresh rate display.
The move to µLED may be governed by quality demand rather than size/volume. Watch-first makes sense but iPhone-second? I would think they'd go large where the quality is needed.
Its time to leapfrog this cappy phase of OLEDS and get straight to MicroLEDS. Invest directly at that level since most issues of OLEDS are already resolved in MicroLED Modules. We are delaying this tech for a decade till it becomes mainstream. Maybe there's an early surprise waiting but its highly unlikely
I would absolutely love you to talk about plasma tv technology, but for phones. Why did plasma go away? You would be the best at explaining why it went away and why it can’t or maybe can be implemented into screen technology for phones??? Plasma is similar to Oled technology. Is there a way to make panels thin for plasma screens?
I also suffer but the iPhone 13 Pro Max I use has no PWM. Whereas my Pixel 6 Pro does I have to have at high brightness to negate that. I suppose it depends also on your sensitivity?
I used Oneplus before. It had AMOLED, some minor adjustments like reading mode and i could use it fine. Just bought an iphone 14 and its driving me crazy. Issue with apple. you could try other phones with AMOLED screens
Your so negative about Oled. Unfortunately all the next Ipad model is being replaced my Oled screen except Ipad pro. Its signed and done so its coming. Dont cry over apple's decision
@@ryanfraley7113 it’s definitely there on my iPad Pro . Don’t know if that’s blooming though. It’s a grey haze around text and such that’s only noticeable in dark rooms at night. As soon as I turn on a bit of light it’s not visible at all anymore. Was watching the Mandalorian yesterday (I know I’m late) on the M1 iPad Pro 12.9” and it looks amazing
OLED screen looks incredible. Basically everyone wanted OLED on iphone but apple didn't want to spend the money for the better screen or Samsung or LG were limited on supply.
The fix for burn in is to burn out the rest of pixels around it. So they are worn the same. Course that means degrading your whole screens life, so I avoid OLED when I can. I accept it on switch cause it’s only $350. I refuse to buy a $2000 tv or $1300 iPad thst will have shorter lifespan.
@@alokinalset1710oled is expansive than mini LED so I don’t understand what you mean by “old technology” OLED is known for quite a while now but that doesn’t mean it’s worse it’s still the king of displays to this day, you can’t compete with its response time and colours and deep blacks. Also The weird glow on mini LED displays is also terrible so I don’t get how MINI led is better other than purely for brightness. and bright doesn’t mean better. And I certainly don’t want my iPhone to be “mini led” if that ever happens I certainly would move to samsung amoled displays instead.
I almost never notice blooming on my mini led. Both my tv and iPad look great. iPad is better though way more zones then my tv and it’s 12.9” vs 55”. No burn in to worry about either, so I’ll pass on any OLED iPads or Mac.
@@zt9233 probably cause you're looking for it and want to hate on it. side by side with a oled it looks same. its got way way way more dimming zones then Samsungs $1800 55" while being fraction of the size. all while being able to reach 1600 nits and give true HDR, something no oled can do. its way better then back lit lcds too. ill take mini led over oled anyway. I only see the blooming in pause menus. oled sucks I wish the phones were mini led.
@@sly2792004 BS, Mini LED will ALWAYS be inferior to any OLED displays, especially when OLED displays support the highest colors and contrast ratios per pixel. Something that Mini LED cannot support today. OLED support in the billions of colors per pixel, where as Mini LED is still in the millions of colors. There is a ton of light bleeding into surrounding pixels from the Mini LED panels, and it is from each back lighting LED, especially since there is thousands of LEDs that support hundreds of LCD pixels on a Mini LED panel. OLED has no light bleeds because each pixel lights up. Mini LED is trying to replicate what OLED panels can already do. OLED is superior when it comes to the number of colors per pixel, and contrast levels. Nothing surpasses it today. Rene talks like OLED panels die, well if that is the case, then Mini LED will also die as well. So I guess the LED back lighting will die on MINI LED displays as well. What a bunch of crap.
@@sgodsellify they not as bright, colors aren't as great. yeah they do slightly better blacks but at cost of you only get 2 years out of your tv then need to buy another. I and most people can't buy a new $2000 tv every 2 years. my mini led looks same as my oled stuff, only I dont' have to deal with burn in. my mini led tv will be working 10+ years from now same as new. olds will get burn in and dimmer to deal with it. they can't even do true HRD as they can't reach 1600 nits, cause well brighter olds get worse burn in happens. If you can afford to constantly replace your tv or iPads go with oled I guess. I want longevity over slightly blacker blacks.
@@sly2792004also you said at a small size it got way more dimming zones? Well ofc it’s a small screen so they don’t have to make as many dimming zones as you would have to for a tv ?? If they want to achieve something similar with a 55 inch display they’ll need more than twice the dimming zones just to achieve same effect so ofc they got more dimming zones on a small screen because it’s a small screen.
Rene hits on an often overlooked but spot on point, Apple controlling the technology. Apple wants to design the user experience then make the HW/SW to fit that experience. But buying those important-key parts off the shelf forces them to alter the experience/device around the part.
Hey yall I have a concern, my iPhone 12 is displaying some green tint (unevenly) when in a gray/dark background. It’s very annoying specially when using dark mode. Should I send my phone to Apple or something? Idk what to do or if they will resolve this issue… oled low key sucks
Bruh literaly all oled panels apple has ever used were all made by samsung and they have gotten so good that theres not even really burn in anymore. Apple just knows whats best for their customers. Why would the customer know whats best....right?
OLED awesome for sure. But to be honest I'm waiting for MicroLED/QD-OLED because it's even better than OLED in colors & brightness without burn in concerns
Isn’t the rumor that iPad will eventually switch to OLED? And even then, I always figured that MicroLED was the endgame (which you pointed out in the end). Though right now, it’s super-expensive to build in bulk. That said, do you think Apple will consider adopting QD-OLED in the meantime?
As far I can remember, QD-OLED is similar to the Pro Display XDR, in that it uses blue light with filters, which works great on large size screens but I'm not sure about phone size displays?
@@ultravisitors I’d think it happen sooner on phones and tablets then TVs. As is TVs are made up of small squares put together, cause rhey can’t make it in tv sizes. I’d think phones and tablets would be good product for it. But it’s super expensive
I just wish we could have a display tech that has great contrast, crystal clear motion, and none of the downsides of plasma and OLED. I really do miss plasma and CRT though. In terms of motion, even high framerate displays are just smeary in ckmparisot
@Rene Ritchie I’m looking at getting a new 14 or 16 inch Pro. The white letters on a black background talk makes me wonder if I should wait. Is it bothersome? I’m too far from any store that carries them to look at one.
I enjoy your videos. I really do, and I’ve been subscribed for quite some time. There are time though we’re it is difficult for me to get through the videos, because they can be… longwinded.
Imagine how hard it is for me to get through them! Seriously though, just watch as much as you enjoy. I try to be incredibly respectful of everybody’s time, I make videos as informationally dense as possible, and I don’t make them any longer than they absolutely need to be. But the second you’re not enjoying yourself, please do hard quit!
@@ReneRitchie I know you’re trying to accurately and honestly give us your take on everything which I most certainly appreciate. I can’t imagine that it’s easy to take thoughts and compile them into a video. I know for me when I talk to friends about tech, I myself am longwinded. So, just keep on keeping on. As I said, love the content!
It would be nice to get an update on the status of microLED. From what I know it's still unlikely to deploy in less than five years. Given the 12,000-page patent claim by Samsung it could crush the industry by locking all LED production into Samsung and destroying LG and BOE and any other manufacturers as well as destroying replacement parts market. for the next 20 years.
I am amazed by how much great info you squeeze into your vids! It's not just the speed of your speech, but the incredible depth interlaced with great nerd-humor! Don't touch that recipé!!!
@@ReneRitchie Thank you for asking! Like most everyone else, I enjoy a good substantiated rumor about what Apple is rolling out next. Not just a spec bump, but major product design changes or their next entirely new product category (goggles/actual TV/iCar/sat-iPhone/et al.). With that being said, I do have a few quirky pet peeves that I would like to see addressed. For starters (it's petty to most people, I know), I would love to make bezels yesterday's tech, or better yet, just outlaw them! Seriously, perfect micro-LED and bring it to the very edge of the metal frame on iPads, laptops, iMacs... and especially the iPhone Pro line and the Apple Watch. That alone would add 2+mm to their phones and watches, and keep them looking gallery ready. Yes, like Steve said from the very beginning, Apple must always optimize function AND form. Anything less is, well, Microsoft. Secondly, I know there are bigger hopes/concerns to address, but please tell me that the upcoming iMac Pro will be without a chin - and bigger than 27"! Frankly, chins, bezels and notches are so long in the tooth, that they have become deal breakers for any new purchases. Any insights? :)
Mini LED displays are not just like LCD displays; they are LCD displays, with Mini-LED backlighting. It's essentially an evolution of Full-Array Local Dimming Zones, which are essentially much larger LEDs compared to Mini LED. Micro LED to OLED are not what Mini LED are to LCD, because Mini LED tech is based on LCD technology. Micro LED is not based on OLED; they are similar in both being self-emissive displays, but that's about it. Organic and inorganic are very different. Mini LED is just the backlighting to LCD displays. The LCD still has to create the pixels and colors.
@@ReneRitchie It's the difference in fundamental technologies powering each display. It's like a motor: one is gas powered, while the other electric powered. Mini-LED is an advancement of LCD-based technology. It's like a brushless motor, which is the advancement of an electric motor, specifically a brushed electric motor. At the moment, there are only two basic display tech available on the consumer market: LCD and OLED. There are advancements in each of those technologies.
Can you please do a video of Physically comparing the Oled Screen on the iPhone 14 Pro to the iPad Pro 12.9 M1/2 Mini-Led? Pleeeasse And also, if Apple made a New iPad Mini Pro XDR, would you rather it to have the Oled Display that is on the iPhone 14 Pro? or to have the Mini-Led that is on the 12.9”?
I've never faced a problem with the quality of Apple's displays. They are among the best. However just like they moved to oled for the phones, i wouldn't be surprised to see it moving up the line.
You do know that LCD with any number of LEDs used for backlighting will always be inferior to OLED displays. OLED displays give you the most colors, and the highest contrast levels per pixel. Something that a LCD with LED back lighting will NEVER achieve.
The reality about power efficiency - OLED vs LCD. The efficiency, overall of the two, are about the same. The reason is simple. The organic LEDs, the “O” in the name, are MUCH less efficient than inorganic LEDs, the ones without the “O”. So what we find is that when the screen brightness is the same, at about middle levels, the combination of the LCD screen, which uses almost no power whatsoever, and the ever increasingly more efficient LED back screens, equals the OLED efficiency, but at brighter levels, the LCD screens are increasingly MORE efficient than OLEDs. At darker levels, OLEDs are increasingly MORE efficient than LCD screens. This is why when devices went to OLED screens of any technology, the UIs went from mostly white, which didn’t cost anything in extra power with a full screen LED backlight, cost much of your battery life with OLED. So black backgrounds became common. With our watches, you’ll notice that if you are using a face with a lot of white, light grey, or such, your battery life is shorter than the faces which are mostly black. Same thing with phones. So don’t believe the “OLED screens are more efficient than LCD screens. Not true. It’s propaganda from OLED manufacturers.
It would be impressive if they made their own screen but that's not the case. Apple should be grateful to whoever provided it with these panels. Knowing that Apple is tempted to put OLED panels on its next Macbooks for 2027.
You ARE taking your excellent content (and fun and engaging delivery) to the next level of presentation with the animations. The animations showing the different pixel structures and technologies were very helpful. I feel as if I can relay the information to others effectively. Thank you. PS I am quite happy with mini-led on my M1 12.9” iPad Pro, of course until something better (hoping micro-led) is available:-)
I see blooming on my lg smartphone I have a iPad Pro Mini led and the blooming is not as bad as they say I only see it when all the lights are off at night
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OLED struggles with brightness? Are you kidding? At up to 1750 nits of peak brightness for OLED today. LCD struggles with contrast and the number of colours it can support. OLED goes way beyond what LCD can support with contrast and the total number of colours that a display can support. Nothing comes close to what OLED can support today. OLED is in the billions of colors, and LCD is still only in the millions of colors. Why do you think LCD is using thousands of backlighting LEDs to brighten, and to bring more contrast to LCD displays. Mini LED will ALWAYS BE behind AMOLED, period. Today AMOLED even supports faster refresh rates in comparision to LCD. Is Apple paying you to pump up Mini LED technology? Come on Rene, LCD has lost, everyone in the tech industry knows this as well.
@@sgodsellify to be fair (and equally uncalled for) is Samsung paying you?
This didn't age well. 🤣
Apple doesn’t want to use Oled, simply the cost. LG has a patented "white OLED" technology. LCDs can manufacture cheaper in American soil.
IMO, Samsung's new QD-OLED technology could be adopted by Apple as it could help with some of the issues with WOLED until MicroLED is ready at this level of miniaturization.
As far as I recall, QD-OLED uses a similar approach to the Pro Display XDR, basically blue light filtered back to all the colors. Works fine on bigger panels but not sure it scales down to phones?
@@ReneRitchie Yes, QD-OLED uses three blue OLEDs and then uses Quantum Dots to convert two of them to Red and Green. So sticking with the current true RGB pentile structure used now might remain the best option for sub-16" devices.
@@Kiskaloo lg Woled is only for TV. While their Oled for smartphone or smartwatch are RGB only Oled.
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All Samsung AMOLED display used PWM for brightness. Lot of people report eye strain due to it, I think it will be worse on big screen. If QD-OLED also use PWM then I will say no to the technology no matter how good it is.
Rene makes tech video titles sound like blockbusters
I raise up my thumbnails like so and rain down clicks upon the vids? :)
@@ReneRitchieyessir lol
OLED’s brightness and burn in problems are seriously overblown. Newer OLEDs have made large strides in solving these issues. And Mini-LED’s compromises are far worse IMO. Of course you have the blooming, but you also have some absurdly awful pixel response times. This has been an issue with Apple’s LCD devices in general, but the issue is particularly pronounced in the Mini-LED devices for some reason. Getting awful motion blur due to horrible response times defeats some of the purpose of even having a 120Hz display. Meanwhile OLEDs have near instant reponse times
Facts
Some vertical markets are well-served with modest response times. So just continue to specialize some monitors for those markets -- photography, office ...
I recently got an OLED TV and based on all the reviews, I was concerned it wouldn’t be bright enough. But guess what? I have it nowhere near full brightness and it’s plenty bright. Same with my phone!
OLED would only last you 2-3 years without significant degradation OLED shouldn’t even exist for consumer market in the first place.
@@AOqueso that's because you have settled. Once you put a real HDR Mini LED tv next to your OLED, you will hate your OLED and see it for what it really is. As dim as your candle.
My first oled device was the creative zen from 2006. The screen was so beautiful and i been love with oled ever since. My next oled device after that was the Samsung J3 back in 2016 and every phone i had since has been a Samsung with oled. I still have that J3 and my S8 and the colors are still as clean and beautiful as the day i bought it. Even after 5 or 6 years of use
apple this apple that ......Why so much credit to Apple.
Its not just Apple , everybody is on board with MicroLed. Its everyones next generation technology. So its not Apple destroying OLED, its MicroLED destroying OLED.
Fast forward to now. Apple decides to use OLEDS. lol
Honestly, what a fantastic video!
Your expertise is crazy. Your explanations are succinct but full of depth with added background on the history of usage. Your video quality with the visuals to accompany what your are talking about is incredible. I just had to say 👏👏👏 well done! I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos.
Keep up the great work Rene!
2 years now. did it destroy ?
I was hoping you would give a detailed explanation as to why OLED can’t scale up to iPad-sized displays but it can scale up to the 65” TV hanging on my wall.
Actually, he basically did explained "how", if you listened carefully enough. Hint: relative viewing distance.
nintendo switch oled is 7"
Basically, money problem
He explained it when he talked about pixels shapes and sizes. When he brought up the LG OLED display and the iPhone.
It can apple just don't wanna pay
I love the iPhone 13 Pro Max but unfortunately I had to stop using it because the PWM used in the OLED display was giving me terrible headaches and eye strain.
I thought that PWM on 13PM was reduced compared to the 12PM 🤔
According to zollotech at least
Seems it isn’t solved yet
But I don’t know if apple gonna give miniLED to iPhones
@@ColonelLucario nah they are getting micro LED when it’s ready
what is PWM and why do people get headache cause of that?
@@lerucass pulse width modulation. I believe it’s because the flickering of the pixels.
@@chidorirasenganz Is there a option to turn it off or to reduce this effect?
It's strange that Apple is going to produce its new iPad with an OLED screen. Why are you applauding something you're not sure of ? 😂😂
Phenominal video, this is the type of content that sets you apart IMO.
I traded my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 for a 2021 iPad Pro 12.9. It looked so good to me that springing for the 16 inch MacBook Pro was almost by reflex. They look that good. Closest thing yet to viewing a large Velvia film transparency on a light table. I’m not interested in OLEDs with their built in degradation function so my next upgrade will be from mini LED to micro LED. The future looks good.
That’s what she said lol…… there is litteraly no perfect display.
@@alanmay7929 So what's wrong with micro LED?
@@alanmay7929 Nothing in this world is perfect
@@thebuddercweeper cost to manufacture
@@prafullrahangdale666 Sure, right now, but once upon a time the same was true of OLED.
Personally I think Apple will keep refining both their mini LED and OLED displays in the devices they're in now until micro LED is ready to replace both. I can see them putting micro LED in an Apple Watch first, then waiting a couple of years before bringing it to iPhones, iPads and Macs.
You have got to be kidding. Mini LED is still LCD, with LEDs in the back of the display to give the LCD panel more colors, and more contrast. That is something where OLED panels shine well beyond what any LCD can do, an a area where mini LED is trying to replicate, but it never will. AMOLED today supports billions of colors, and in the millions of contrast levels per pixel. Mini LED can't even come close, especially when one LED on the back of the LCD display is responsible for a few hundred pixels on a LCD display. Why do you think Mini LED displays bleed colors aroud the pixels that are suppose to be on. Mini LED will always be inferior to AMOLED.
@@sgodsellify You're partially right, but the thing about colours is just wrong, OLED isn't inherently able to produce more colours than LCD or mini LED, in fact, LCD is known for being more colour accurate due to the off-axis colour shift that OLED has, as well as the tendency of OLED manufacturers to calibrate the display slightly more blue so as to counter the faster degradation of the blue organic LEDs, which in turn leads to a redder image over time.
OLED has the best contrast of any widely available display technology, I won't doubt that, but mini LED is *far* superior to regular LCD, all you have to do is compare a 2021 14" or 16" MacBook Pro to their predecessor and you'll see how much better the screen is. and while OLED is great for small screens like watches, phones and even maybe small tablets, it has brightness and panel quality issues, not to mention burn-in, when scaled to the size of a laptop. It's also harder to mass manufacture 120Hz OLED panels, Samsung was only able to provide the quantity Apple needed for their Pro iPhones last year despite the technology existing for several years prior, imagine how long it would take to manufacture millions of 16" 120Hz OLED displays.
Personally, I'd take a mini LED laptop over an OLED one any day.
Rumor says they'll switch to OLED on all of their products, including iPad and MacBook. But before the rumors I also thought exactly that. Maybe after switching to OLED they're planning to switch to microLED, and if microLED doesn't catch up to OLED they'll continue using OLED from then on.
@@utubekullanicisi those rumours are saying it might happen in a few years so I wouldn't treat them as 100% accurate. Even if that's what Apple is internally testing right now, the plans might change and they may not ever actually switch those products to OLED.
In fact there was a one leak which said only the lower end iPads would switch to OLED.
@@thebuddercweeper mini led is no where near as good as OLED. That part about the colors is BS, especially when there is some OLED displays that now can produce over a billion colors. As far as burn in concerns, today's OLED displays don't have the burn ins of yesteryear. The quality of OLED displays is so much better today. Besides smartphones and iPhones don't keep the same image on the screen for any great length of time.
Oled is a superior technology over IPS, its not dabatable, is facts.
This is a top notch presentation and explainer, thank you Rene.
I hope to see Microled be available to all of us later this decade. I will definitely get it replacing my OLED in the future since it's the same thing but with no burn in.
Qd oled could be the earliest solution to the burn in problem. We'll have to wait and see. At least it's already an existing and purchasable technology.
I hope not because mini LED might have more brightness it still can’t compete with the response time and deep blacks of an oled display. But considering apple already remove chargers and headphone jacks and now even oled screens from their MacBooks just to cut costs I won’t be surprised if they did the same with their phones. Considering oled is much more expansive than mini led.
@@ashx2405 micro led is NOT mini led, they are two completely different technologies (inform you better) micro led is the future, (micro-LED has absolute blacks, it also has all the advantages of LED without any defects of OLED) there is no way that micro-led can be worse than oled in something...(this is exactly the reason because Apple has been investing in it development to over 10 years right now) in effect makes no sense to Apple produce OLEDs, for obvious reasons they are aiming directly to the future....
in short, it wouldn't make any sense for them to start producing OLED (as soon as they start production OLED will already be obsolete, so the right move is to aim for micro-LED so as to be able to repay the investment in the coming decades and lead the screen sector of the future as well as emancipating itself for the entire line of various Macs, iPhones, iPads, smartwatches, etc...)
ps: micro-LED is infinitely more expensive than OLED currently, in fact the whole delay in production line in the fact that they are looking for ways to reduce costs for mass assembly, so don't confuse micro-LED with mini-LED (they are two totally different things)
We'll have to see. I've seen some people claim even the LED subpixels in MicroLED will degrade at uneven rates, eventually resulting in burn-in, even if it's slower than on OLEDs.
@@s4nder86 Yeah a year after I posted, it’s true that any tech can get burn in
Great Video Rene, thank you for taking the time creating this explanation. Great content!
MicroLED is a Samsung thing mostly, or rather Samsung has the superior technology with it at the moment but 150k is expensive.
Facts. You can buy idk I guess around 70-80 modern MacBooks for these money
@@godofdeath8785 That's enough to build a fortress out of them!
The species 8472 joke went right over my head and janeway is my favorite captain.
This video did not age well apple is using oled now
They have been since 2017 with the iPhone X
René you rock your videos! I am very much enjoying all the insides about Apple. Thanks for keeping us keeping new stuff about the brand we love. Keep up the good work and good speed!
Daym Rene; thats a deep subtle Voyager reference 3:34 🖖 you know your audience
Fluidic! Ha!
I love how indepth this is and how much ground it covers.
OLED and traditional LCD has far better motion response. As others have pointed out, having poor motion response, defeats the purpose of a high refresh rate display.
I love how enthusiastic you are about all this tech stuff - really refreshing. You are a great presenter also.
The move to µLED may be governed by quality demand rather than size/volume. Watch-first makes sense but iPhone-second? I would think they'd go large where the quality is needed.
Its time to leapfrog this cappy phase of OLEDS and get straight to MicroLEDS. Invest directly at that level since most issues of OLEDS are already resolved in MicroLED Modules. We are delaying this tech for a decade till it becomes mainstream. Maybe there's an early surprise waiting but its highly unlikely
I would absolutely love you to talk about plasma tv technology, but for phones. Why did plasma go away? You would be the best at explaining why it went away and why it can’t or maybe can be implemented into screen technology for phones??? Plasma is similar to Oled technology. Is there a way to make panels thin for plasma screens?
I always have my dictionary ready before I watch your videos 😆
Wow, your videos are so professional and interesting!
Rene does the higher refresh rate featured in the 13 Pro help solve the PWM problem? Unfortunately I’m one of the 10% that can’t use OLED.
I also suffer but the iPhone 13 Pro Max I use has no PWM. Whereas my Pixel 6 Pro does I have to have at high brightness to negate that. I suppose it depends also on your sensitivity?
@@andyH_England good to hear, but others in the comments say it’s not helped them. I’ll stick to LED for now.
I used Oneplus before. It had AMOLED, some minor adjustments like reading mode and i could use it fine. Just bought an iphone 14 and its driving me crazy. Issue with apple. you could try other phones with AMOLED screens
I've always been told OLED has little to no color shifting compared to LED LCD screens for TVs. How is this different for AMOLED phone screens?
AMOLED display are way has very little (if no) color shifting based on my experience
Your so negative about Oled.
Unfortunately all the next Ipad model is being replaced my Oled screen except Ipad pro. Its signed and done so its coming. Dont cry over apple's decision
What I’ve seen of MiniLED isn’t that impressive IMO. I’d rather Apple be on OLED until MicroLED is ready.
Specifically on smaller display, I’m fine with MiniLED on Macs due to burn in.
Mini LED HDR is pretty impressive. What don't you like?
@@ReneRitchie Blooming is just way too noticeable to me. It’s less of an issue on larger screens like the MBP’s to be completely fair.
@@ryanfraley7113 it’s definitely there on my iPad Pro . Don’t know if that’s blooming though. It’s a grey haze around text and such that’s only noticeable in dark rooms at night. As soon as I turn on a bit of light it’s not visible at all anymore.
Was watching the Mandalorian yesterday (I know I’m late) on the M1 iPad Pro 12.9” and it looks amazing
What’s not good about it? Side by with my iPhone I can’t tell difference other then mini led can do 1600 nits and hdr and iPhone can’t.
Thanks…your video was very helpful and informative. Blessings on your day!
Pro-tip: Exasperated and exacerbated are different words. You wanted the 2nd one, here. ◡̈
OLED screen looks incredible. Basically everyone wanted OLED on iphone but apple didn't want to spend the money for the better screen or Samsung or LG were limited on supply.
The easy way to fix burn in is to display an all perfectly white screen and nothing else for several hours. I want a screen that's better than this.
The fix for burn in is to burn out the rest of pixels around it. So they are worn the same. Course that means degrading your whole screens life, so I avoid OLED when I can. I accept it on switch cause it’s only $350. I refuse to buy a $2000 tv or $1300 iPad thst will have shorter lifespan.
While watching this video I was just getting worried about my phone's AMOLED display 😅
What about PWM how are we going to solve this?
I actually agree: Apple may just leap to micro LED by 2024-2025. we may see it on the iPhone as early as 2024 and the iPad and MacBooks by 2025.
@@alokinalset1710oled is expansive than mini LED so I don’t understand what you mean by “old technology” OLED is known for quite a while now but that doesn’t mean it’s worse it’s still the king of displays to this day, you can’t compete with its response time and colours and deep blacks. Also
The weird glow on mini LED displays is also terrible so I don’t get how MINI led is better other than purely for brightness. and bright doesn’t mean better.
And I certainly don’t want my iPhone to be “mini led” if that ever happens I certainly would move to samsung amoled displays instead.
I almost never notice blooming on my mini led. Both my tv and iPad look great. iPad is better though way more zones then my tv and it’s 12.9” vs 55”. No burn in to worry about either, so I’ll pass on any OLED iPads or Mac.
@@zt9233 probably cause you're looking for it and want to hate on it. side by side with a oled it looks same. its got way way way more dimming zones then Samsungs $1800 55" while being fraction of the size. all while being able to reach 1600 nits and give true HDR, something no oled can do. its way better then back lit lcds too. ill take mini led over oled anyway. I only see the blooming in pause menus. oled sucks I wish the phones were mini led.
@@sly2792004 BS, Mini LED will ALWAYS be inferior to any OLED displays, especially when OLED displays support the highest colors and contrast ratios per pixel. Something that Mini LED cannot support today. OLED support in the billions of colors per pixel, where as Mini LED is still in the millions of colors. There is a ton of light bleeding into surrounding pixels from the Mini LED panels, and it is from each back lighting LED, especially since there is thousands of LEDs that support hundreds of LCD pixels on a Mini LED panel. OLED has no light bleeds because each pixel lights up. Mini LED is trying to replicate what OLED panels can already do. OLED is superior when it comes to the number of colors per pixel, and contrast levels. Nothing surpasses it today. Rene talks like OLED panels die, well if that is the case, then Mini LED will also die as well. So I guess the LED back lighting will die on MINI LED displays as well. What a bunch of crap.
@@sgodsellify they not as bright, colors aren't as great. yeah they do slightly better blacks but at cost of you only get 2 years out of your tv then need to buy another. I and most people can't buy a new $2000 tv every 2 years. my mini led looks same as my oled stuff, only I dont' have to deal with burn in. my mini led tv will be working 10+ years from now same as new. olds will get burn in and dimmer to deal with it. they can't even do true HRD as they can't reach 1600 nits, cause well brighter olds get worse burn in happens. If you can afford to constantly replace your tv or iPads go with oled I guess. I want longevity over slightly blacker blacks.
@@sly2792004also you said at a small size it got way more dimming zones? Well ofc it’s a small screen so they don’t have to make as many dimming zones as you would have to for a tv ?? If they want to achieve something similar with a 55 inch display they’ll need more than twice the dimming zones just to achieve same effect so ofc they got more dimming zones on a small screen because it’s a small screen.
Rene hits on an often overlooked but spot on point, Apple controlling the technology. Apple wants to design the user experience then make the HW/SW to fit that experience. But buying those important-key parts off the shelf forces them to alter the experience/device around the part.
easily among your best videos, a crash course almost
How do you think this roadmap reflects the rumors for the next AR/VR device?
I’m watching this on my 8 Plus with it’s perfect 16:9 screen…
Not 2:1? :)
thats a ratio not size
@@kebbil that’s correct
@@ReneRitchie 🙄
This is one of the hottest takes on tech-tube. It's a shame people just want confirmation bias.
Hey yall I have a concern, my iPhone 12 is displaying some green tint (unevenly) when in a gray/dark background. It’s very annoying specially when using dark mode. Should I send my phone to Apple or something? Idk what to do or if they will resolve this issue… oled low key sucks
Yes, I just did this
@@Yzyenthusiast cool, hopefully they accept it since it’s not really obvious
Watched the whole thing. Thanks for the video!
Loved this video
Bruh literaly all oled panels apple has ever used were all made by samsung and they have gotten so good that theres not even really burn in anymore. Apple just knows whats best for their customers. Why would the customer know whats best....right?
Not today satan😂
Someone's been watching drag race, and we love to see🌟🐥
I "fan-girl" hard every time you make a StarTrek Reference
this explains why the Facebook UI is burned in on my mom's old S8 screen...
I love the Star Trek Voyager throwback.
QLED, QDEL and MicroLED are best technologies
OLED awesome for sure. But to be honest I'm waiting for MicroLED/QD-OLED because it's even better than OLED in colors & brightness without burn in concerns
Power word kill? Is that a hearthstone reference 😁
Makes perfect sense
And within weeks of Apple releasing the iPhone X - magically, Samsung solved it's colour saturation issues! LUT-hijack anyone?
Isn’t the rumor that iPad will eventually switch to OLED? And even then, I always figured that MicroLED was the endgame (which you pointed out in the end). Though right now, it’s super-expensive to build in bulk.
That said, do you think Apple will consider adopting QD-OLED in the meantime?
As far I can remember, QD-OLED is similar to the Pro Display XDR, in that it uses blue light with filters, which works great on large size screens but I'm not sure about phone size displays?
@@ReneRitchie what's your prediction for microLED to appear on smartphones? is Samsung display the only manufacturer of microLED?
@@ultravisitors I’d think it happen sooner on phones and tablets then TVs. As is TVs are made up of small squares put together, cause rhey can’t make it in tv sizes. I’d think phones and tablets would be good product for it. But it’s super expensive
I just wish we could have a display tech that has great contrast, crystal clear motion, and none of the downsides of plasma and OLED. I really do miss plasma and CRT though. In terms of motion, even high framerate displays are just smeary in ckmparisot
Lol ST:VOY reference. I love you.
@Rene Ritchie I’m looking at getting a new 14 or 16 inch Pro. The white letters on a black background talk makes me wonder if I should wait. Is it bothersome? I’m too far from any store that carries them to look at one.
I enjoy your videos. I really do, and I’ve been subscribed for quite some time. There are time though we’re it is difficult for me to get through the videos, because they can be… longwinded.
Imagine how hard it is for me to get through them! Seriously though, just watch as much as you enjoy. I try to be incredibly respectful of everybody’s time, I make videos as informationally dense as possible, and I don’t make them any longer than they absolutely need to be. But the second you’re not enjoying yourself, please do hard quit!
@@ReneRitchie I know you’re trying to accurately and honestly give us your take on everything which I most certainly appreciate. I can’t imagine that it’s easy to take thoughts and compile them into a video. I know for me when I talk to friends about tech, I myself am longwinded. So, just keep on keeping on. As I said, love the content!
"Leaks worse than the iPhone supply chain" ha ha ha
Those OLED problems dont apply for the new ones tho, they are amazing
Man, I love me some tech church at the house of Ritchie!
I like the Star Trek voyager reference lol
And just where do we got that Damn HOODDIEEEE??
what is the name of the game with many rooms that was shown on an ipad in this video ? time: 9:57 of this video
Rene, what game are you playing at 08:00 ?
Thanks for video.
SPECIES 8472 reference. Nice.
It would be nice to get an update on the status of microLED. From what I know it's still unlikely to deploy in less than five years. Given the 12,000-page patent claim by Samsung it could crush the industry by locking all LED production into Samsung and destroying LG and BOE and any other manufacturers as well as destroying replacement parts market. for the next 20 years.
Apple not make display 😂😂
I am amazed by how much great info you squeeze into your vids! It's not just the speed of your speech, but the incredible depth interlaced with great nerd-humor! Don't touch that recipé!!!
Wow, thank you! What video would you like to see next?
@@ReneRitchie Thank you for asking! Like most everyone else, I enjoy a good substantiated rumor about what Apple is rolling out next. Not just a spec bump, but major product design changes or their next entirely new product category (goggles/actual TV/iCar/sat-iPhone/et al.). With that being said, I do have a few quirky pet peeves that I would like to see addressed. For starters (it's petty to most people, I know), I would love to make bezels yesterday's tech, or better yet, just outlaw them! Seriously, perfect micro-LED and bring it to the very edge of the metal frame on iPads, laptops, iMacs... and especially the iPhone Pro line and the Apple Watch. That alone would add 2+mm to their phones and watches, and keep them looking gallery ready. Yes, like Steve said from the very beginning, Apple must always optimize function AND form. Anything less is, well, Microsoft. Secondly, I know there are bigger hopes/concerns to address, but please tell me that the upcoming iMac Pro will be without a chin - and bigger than 27"! Frankly, chins, bezels and notches are so long in the tooth, that they have become deal breakers for any new purchases. Any insights? :)
Mini LED displays are not just like LCD displays; they are LCD displays, with Mini-LED backlighting. It's essentially an evolution of Full-Array Local Dimming Zones, which are essentially much larger LEDs compared to Mini LED.
Micro LED to OLED are not what Mini LED are to LCD, because Mini LED tech is based on LCD technology. Micro LED is not based on OLED; they are similar in both being self-emissive displays, but that's about it. Organic and inorganic are very different. Mini LED is just the backlighting to LCD displays. The LCD still has to create the pixels and colors.
Functionally that's a distinction without a difference?
@@ReneRitchie It's the difference in fundamental technologies powering each display.
It's like a motor: one is gas powered, while the other electric powered.
Mini-LED is an advancement of LCD-based technology. It's like a brushless motor, which is the advancement of an electric motor, specifically a brushed electric motor.
At the moment, there are only two basic display tech available on the consumer market: LCD and OLED. There are advancements in each of those technologies.
Micro LED have PMW like OLED?
Can you please do a video of Physically comparing the Oled Screen on the iPhone 14 Pro to the iPad Pro 12.9 M1/2 Mini-Led?
Pleeeasse
And also, if Apple made a New iPad Mini Pro XDR, would you rather it to have the Oled Display that is on the iPhone 14 Pro? or to have the Mini-Led that is on the 12.9”?
I’m excited for when QD-LED to come out. Also known as Electroluminescent aka ELQD
Talks like a Miss Universe contestant who wants to solve world hunger.
Dual-layer LCD may be next in consumer displays.
Can't put cameras/face ID below display if there's a backlight, though?
Out of my 12 oled phones. Never had burn in once.
watching this on my 4 yo super amoled display working just fine
I've never faced a problem with the quality of Apple's displays. They are among the best. However just like they moved to oled for the phones, i wouldn't be surprised to see it moving up the line.
You do know that LCD with any number of LEDs used for backlighting will always be inferior to OLED displays. OLED displays give you the most colors, and the highest contrast levels per pixel. Something that a LCD with LED back lighting will NEVER achieve.
@@sgodsellifyand also oled gives much better response time compared to other displays in “TV” atleast as much as I am aware.
The reality about power efficiency - OLED vs LCD. The efficiency, overall of the two, are about the same. The reason is simple. The organic LEDs, the “O” in the name, are MUCH less efficient than inorganic LEDs, the ones without the “O”. So what we find is that when the screen brightness is the same, at about middle levels, the combination of the LCD screen, which uses almost no power whatsoever, and the ever increasingly more efficient LED back screens, equals the OLED efficiency, but at brighter levels, the LCD screens are increasingly MORE efficient than OLEDs. At darker levels, OLEDs are increasingly MORE efficient than LCD screens.
This is why when devices went to OLED screens of any technology, the UIs went from mostly white, which didn’t cost anything in extra power with a full screen LED backlight, cost much of your battery life with OLED. So black backgrounds became common. With our watches, you’ll notice that if you are using a face with a lot of white, light grey, or such, your battery life is shorter than the faces which are mostly black. Same thing with phones.
So don’t believe the “OLED screens are more efficient than LCD screens. Not true. It’s propaganda from OLED manufacturers.
Well done man.
It would be impressive if they made their own screen but that's not the case. Apple should be grateful to whoever provided it with these panels. Knowing that Apple is tempted to put OLED panels on its next Macbooks for 2027.
You ARE taking your excellent content (and fun and engaging delivery) to the next level of presentation with the animations. The animations showing the different pixel structures and technologies were very helpful. I feel as if I can relay the information to others effectively. Thank you.
PS I am quite happy with mini-led on my M1 12.9” iPad Pro, of course until something better (hoping micro-led) is available:-)
I see blooming on my lg smartphone I have a iPad Pro Mini led and the blooming is not as bad as they say I only see it when all the lights are off at night
Great reporting Ritchie! 📑🔎🤍
what an amazing and deep researched video!!!!!!
it's all but confirmed now the 2024 iPad Pro is OLED.
You should update this with the new micro-oled. How different it will be from oled and micro-led?
Rene - how long does it take you to write your scripts? They are pure gold, I imagine a 2 week turnaround?
OLED is still the best. If we’re talking purely picture quality. Peak brightness is overrated. Only useful if your room is very brightly lit.
13:16 Does anyone know from which movie is that scene please?
Lol. Way to reference KB and Andy Minio
This is why I'm looking forward for the iphone se 3