Patriots should realize the '24 journey is over and sit Maye in finale | Patriots Talk Podcast

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  • @jeremyunderhill3203
    @jeremyunderhill3203 2 дня назад +20

    This is the only time all season that I 100 percent agree with these guys. Get your backups some play time so they are more experienced for next season.

    • @DMKFACTOR
      @DMKFACTOR 2 дня назад +3

      Absolutely! Time to start and play Baker, Polk, Bell, Milton, and Wallace the entire game. Have to see if there is anything salvageable for next year!

    • @Mary-y3f9u
      @Mary-y3f9u 2 дня назад +2

      Yep, we need to see our assets. It’s time for the other people to get a chance. If Drake gets injured, Mayo is so dead

  • @Mitch_Richard44
    @Mitch_Richard44 2 дня назад +17

    They SHOULD play Milton and showcase his best attributes to pump up his trade value. He's worth a much higher pick than where he was taken if they play this right.
    Send Joe out to do great things, but lose the game so they can win the draft.

  • @andresgirardo8481
    @andresgirardo8481 2 дня назад +10

    Mayo has to say that publicly but I hope Kraft already told him we need to lose.

  • @christiantrinidade9150
    @christiantrinidade9150 2 дня назад +7

    I'm hoping to see Milton, Wallace at RT, Strange at C, Robertson at LG, Bell at TE, and Polk at WR.
    If not, Mayo should be shown the door. Wolfe should be gone regardless.

  • @larrygilman8896
    @larrygilman8896 2 дня назад +3

    When it's obvious that Tom Curran is a better coach than your entire coaching staff it's a signal to fire the whole damn bunch, GM included!

  • @tomshappyland2741
    @tomshappyland2741 2 дня назад +16

    If Drake Maye is injured in this game, the "Fire Mayo" chants in Gillette stadium will be the least of the Kraft's concerns.

    • @Mary-y3f9u
      @Mary-y3f9u 2 дня назад +1

      The chants are already epic. With a Drake injury, it would be a nail in the coffin for Mayo

    • @barry7920
      @barry7920 2 дня назад

      I actually like the idea of playing it safe with Maye, but I don't understand why Phil & Tom did a 180-degree turn when they've been incessantly criticizing the Pats' coaches for not taking enough chances with Drake Maye's health - they even said the coaches shouldn't be coaches because they weren't trying to win! WTH? They're going from one extreme to the other with these views! Why did they just now figure out that Drake Maye is a valuable asset??? Why did they just now figure out that it's not the end of the world if they lose one of these games - because it's inevitable that they'll lose most of them??? Why did they just now figure out that even shooting Drake Maye out of a cannon at the defense would usually fail to bring a victory with a cast of losers around him anyway??? Today they are saying 100% the opposite of what they're been harping on for the past 6 weeks or so. Even if they finally got it right, Jesus H Christ, what are they thinking???

    • @dramatyst5661
      @dramatyst5661 2 дня назад +1

      The chants will start as soon as I walk in the stadium, scratch that as soon as I drive on the property I'm yelling fire Mayo

  • @donwalker8246
    @donwalker8246 13 часов назад

    And you guys are terrific.

  • @petermarshall6577
    @petermarshall6577 2 дня назад +5

    Fire Wolf and Groh they have to go.

  • @jeffpayton3149
    @jeffpayton3149 2 дня назад +2

    Changes are at times difficult but needed. In this case i think it's needed. 1st year coach, rookie QB, rookie Off Cord., Rookie Def Cord. Inexperience front Office. What did we expect. I think moving Mayo to the front office would work and there he can be the media darling. Want ads for pats, true experience all around, Hire folks with Coaching connections. Mayo had no connections at this point. I'm a believer in Coaching and the positional Coaching on this team is horrible. Do not mess up this Kids(Maye) career. If you run this back, as Pats fans we may regret it. It's just not Mayo's time yet.

  • @samue33d
    @samue33d 2 дня назад +8

    “We’ve been hard on him”
    Biggest joke I’ve ever heard. You two have been protecting him all fucking year.

    • @HoopDizzle-l3e
      @HoopDizzle-l3e 2 дня назад +2

      Yup. Even when Jerod threw Van Pelt under the bus, Phil Perry didn't flinch and defended Mayo.

  • @tlister67
    @tlister67 2 дня назад +3

    Treat this as a preseason game and figure out who might stay. No reason to play starters we already know.

  • @ivanandrade1157
    @ivanandrade1157 День назад

    Happy new year 🎉 ✨️ tom and Phil...

  • @mpw621
    @mpw621 2 дня назад +3

    Yes, of course play Milton, lets see him throw those hundred yard passes ! Maye has to sit the whole game.

  • @Oldguard_8
    @Oldguard_8 2 дня назад +7

    Not hard on Jerod, he has been in the game for 20 years and seems unable to think for himself. I remain convinced he did nothing to improve himself, and thus the team, to prepare for his promotion. Maye got knocked out last weekend and was still cleared to return to the game - missing the timing on the fumble/toss play - no one saying a thing about possible connection? Where i the HC to protect the player? Mayo seems so desperate to win he is not 'playing the kids (TE's, WR's et al from rookie class)' and doing everything possible to win (playing the vets), including playing the knocked-out kid. Mayo sold Thunder, who inflicted this dumpster fire on us. So NOT hard on Mayo - if anything I see the Boston sports crews circling the wagons and holding back, undoubtedly due to long-standing relationships. Bear this in mind - Mayo is not now, nor will he in the future, show signs of growth and learning. He may defer decisions to others, but after 20 years, this is what he is. BB knew it - and the 8 OC's who interviewed for the role and declined knew something was off too. Mayo the guy is one thing, Mayo the HC is another.

  • @ChrisM-zm4li
    @ChrisM-zm4li День назад +1

    Every season should be about winning every single game until you are eliminated from the playoffs. From then on, it should be about evaluating your roster and trying out pieces you haven't had a chance to see in proper action yet.

  • @braidenb3973
    @braidenb3973 2 дня назад +5

    A friend told me it doesn’t matter if Maye gets hurt this week because he’ll have all summer to recover…. 😅

    • @ObiWansDeathsticks
      @ObiWansDeathsticks 2 дня назад +2

      I mean….hes not wrong lol

    • @braidenb3973
      @braidenb3973 2 дня назад +1

      @ well he’s definitely not wrong about the “having all summer to recover part” but I’m not sure about the “it doesn’t matter” part lol

    • @stanleymcquade6412
      @stanleymcquade6412 2 дня назад +4

      @@braidenb3973 he will then spend most of his time rehabbing rather than working to build upon this season, particularly physically. Plus a serious leg injury could hurt his running ability. Your friend is wrong.

    • @petermarshall6577
      @petermarshall6577 2 дня назад

      An ACL...no.

    • @TheChamp601
      @TheChamp601 2 дня назад

      People are so dumb I swear

  • @kenshin_21
    @kenshin_21 2 дня назад +2

    Daboll or McDaniels aren't going to want to work under Mayo, thats another big negative for mayo, he can't put together a staff because he hasnt work enough to develop those relationships. That is why they need to just rip the band aid and bring Vrabel in and let him have the staff he wants

  • @paulvierra3902
    @paulvierra3902 2 дня назад +3

    IF MAYO PLAYS MAYE AND THEY BEAT THE BILLS OR HE GETS HURT THAT WILL BE IT FOR MAYO!!!

    • @HoopDizzle-l3e
      @HoopDizzle-l3e 2 дня назад

      Kraft doesn't want to draft higher than last year (3rd).

  • @edwardbenjamin9310
    @edwardbenjamin9310 2 дня назад +1

    This season was a complete coaching disaster, I didn't see learning curves, I saw a head coach who's in way over his head. Kraft owes it to the organization and fans to at least entertain interviewng Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel. McDaniel will most likely join Vrabel and nobody can question McDaniels ability to run a high performing offense. Maybe even keep AVP around as a QB coach, and of course bring in a capable DC... Maye a& Gonzo are still on a cheap contracts, we have the most money available, and likely the first overall pick... That's too much at stake to simply run it back again and watch next season go down in flames🔥

  • @mikechan231
    @mikechan231 2 дня назад +2

    Mayo just wants to be able to say their record wasn’t worse than last year’s and we’ll pick at 5 for this luxury.

  • @garynapolitano1270
    @garynapolitano1270 2 дня назад +2

    Had Mayo behaved in any way that would make I ANYONE think he understands situational management?

  • @danielcarcamo6336
    @danielcarcamo6336 2 дня назад +2

    #FireMayo

  • @spl1x
    @spl1x 2 дня назад +1

    The Patriots are going to win this final game, because OF COURSE THEY ARE.

  • @bugzy2bangz
    @bugzy2bangz День назад

    30:55 Phil was living the glory days and then snaps back to reality!

  • @pm2785
    @pm2785 2 дня назад +2

    Playing Drake Maye would be STUPID.
    The only person it would potentially benefit is Mayo.
    It's not what's best for the New England Patriots.
    Play every other rookie. Especially the ones that can't get on the field on the worst team in the league.
    Let's see the GMs handy work before we go into one of the most important drafts in team history.
    Put it all out there for everyone to see.
    Anyone playing hurt is shut down. No heroics necessary at this point.
    This game is about unknown talent evaluation. Why should you be on this team?
    Hunter Henry should not play. Gonzalez has been on the injury report.
    If any keepable players get hurt in this game, it should be considered reckless desperation.
    This is what backup players are for. Especially if they are high (probably wasted) draft picks.
    If I was the owner, I am making an executive decision.
    I'm not risking anything to do with the future. The second half of the roster better get out there and earn their spot for next year.
    As far as I'm concerned, you are easily replaceable unless you show me otherwise.
    Anything else would be STUPID.
    Are we going forward, or back to the early 90s?
    We'll know shortly after kickoff Sunday.

  • @tiltsf
    @tiltsf 2 дня назад +1

    They SHOULD play Milton and others - **BUT** you can understand Mayo's position -- he's the *COACH* trying to always install in all players to go out and win; how does it come off for him in the short/long-term to be like "well, let's just play bench guys and prep to lose this game"
    As coach, the "journey" is actually the next/each game, getting players in the right mentality to give it their all for the next game. So instead of trying to push Mayo for this position, petition/complain to the GM - have HIM override and decide to sit starters, etc., because it is HIS job to plan/make decisions BEYOND this year -- again, not the coach's job.

  • @johnhaakenson7234
    @johnhaakenson7234 2 дня назад +1

    Coaching for next season certainly is perplexing. Clearly changing OC for a 2nd year QB is not the best scenario. We've seen how that plays out here with Mac Jones even. But I think it all starts at the top with the HC. Not enough experience. So I think we need to see if Vrabel will come here. If so, do it. Then, he can decide whether to keep AVP or to bring his own OC. And we should see about changing DC either way. Not one good thing occurred on D this season. Also new WR coach. That room is way too dysfunctional. If we do all that the season will still be a marginal W-L year, maybe 6-11 or something like that at best. But that would be progress and the trend we want to see for the future.

  • @TheBackupGuru
    @TheBackupGuru 2 дня назад +1

    Okay maye 2 series , then Milton and backups rest of way

  • @arthurwatt5162
    @arthurwatt5162 2 дня назад +1

    Franchise changing if they lose. Number 1 pick is very valuable. B and c team should play. Joe Milton.

  • @redpill-finance
    @redpill-finance 2 дня назад +1

    Looks like wolf and co are ready to be fired next year. Race for #1 pick begins September

  • @edwinpink5040
    @edwinpink5040 2 дня назад +1

    Milton will end up being a better QB in the end then Maye.

  • @michaelphillips3658
    @michaelphillips3658 2 дня назад +1

    Fire the DC, Mayo, and the WRs coach

  • @eriks.uperpatriot5817
    @eriks.uperpatriot5817 2 дня назад

    I would prefer to call it evaluation not tanking. You brought up the names. I want to see if Joe Milton can be the #2 next year & the Pats can take another late round flier on a QB or do we need to bring in a veteran?
    I want to see if Caeden Wallace can man one of the OT spots. I was hoping they’d try him more at LT only because they told us they thought CW is athletic enough to play LT. I want to see more of Jaheim Bell. Is he strictly a move TE? Can he be a factor in the running game? Can he play FB out of the “I”?
    I want to see Javon Baker. Can he make someone in a wheel chair stand up or was he blowing smoke out his own behind?
    I am in no way fully judging this draft.It’s still too early. Not every WR is a rookie superstar. Not giving up on Polk & Baker or any of them. I’m expecting more from those two especially next season.
    This team clearly needs an elite edition at WR that can take the top off a defense. Not sure Arizona State WR Tetairoa McMillan is that type either. He is more a possession 50/50 type WR. He would be the compliment to the X-WR that the Patriots have been seeking.
    As far as drafting in the early first round. If you trade down, Safest pick NT/DT Mason Graham should be an option just as much as Edge Abdul Carter or CB Travis Hunter & CB Will Johnson. Patriots should walk away from round 1 with one of these guys. I’m also hoping that the Patriots still have the overall #1 after week 18 matchup against Buffalo.
    Ammo & more picks is the name of the game.

  • @andremoreiracosta6319
    @andremoreiracosta6319 День назад

    Tom doing his weekly job of trying to protect Mayo

  • @Mike-pb4ju
    @Mike-pb4ju 2 дня назад

    Everyone keeps focusing on the offense, but it’s the defense that is the bigger concern. I think Maye will continue to develop under AVP and some better personnel, but the defense is a train wreck that I don’t see getting better with the current coaching on that side of the ball.

  • @mikemcguinness92
    @mikemcguinness92 День назад

    I would like to see Vrabel come in as the "Overlord", if Mayo/coaching staff have problems next year then he can transition into HC.

  • @hypequake
    @hypequake 2 дня назад

    “Just Win baby”

  • @DallasSoundGuys
    @DallasSoundGuys 2 дня назад +4

    Hunter Henry makes eye contact with the media until he says he loves AVP, the offense. I’m no expert in this but I noticed he looks away during that statement.

    • @Paul-717
      @Paul-717 2 дня назад +1

      I'm not a body language expert either but his eyes were down for a while and what he said was logical....it didn't seem like a surface level platitude....anyway that's my 2 cents

    • @Kittonwy
      @Kittonwy 2 дня назад

      He hasn't had a half day decent OC since Josh.

  • @Jack958
    @Jack958 2 дня назад +2

    If we don’t get vrabel my opinions of the krafts is going to suffer immensely. And I don’t even want that to happen I like thinking fondly of bill brady and rob and the great years we pats fans had. The mayo thing was never going to work, just move on.

  • @ChrisM-zm4li
    @ChrisM-zm4li День назад

    It seems everyone on earth but Mayo knows this, or at least can admit it. Hopefully Mayo is just saying what the league wants to hear.

  • @frankbank0892
    @frankbank0892 2 дня назад

    I have to argue that the WR room isn't devoid of talent. It's a mish-mash just like the OL group.

  • @Orcasrule6355
    @Orcasrule6355 2 дня назад

    I want a young offensive minded head coach. The league is about scoring points, protecting your quarterback, rushing the other team’s quarterback, not turning the ball over & getting turnovers. That being said if they have an opportunity to get Vrabel they should. This HC/GM combo has proven they don’t have what it takes

  • @bballajh
    @bballajh 2 дня назад

    Will the Bills be playing their starters?
    Neither do the Pats.
    See what you have on your bench and hope they show out.
    They're spot on.

  • @patricktotten9712
    @patricktotten9712 2 дня назад +1

    You guys waste so much breath talking about this. Blowing everything up is the ONLY option and it’s so obvious. It’s common sense. From top to bottom.. the whole operation is screwy. They’re a minor league outfit from the front office infrastructure to the scouting department, the coaching staff and the 53 man roster. Just a complete joke. Not acceptable.

  • @jaisriram295
    @jaisriram295 2 дня назад +1

    Im sorry but the Mayo thing has had disaster written all over it from day 1...the press conference and the Thunder comments and the I see race comments then Kraft saying he hired Mayo because of his instincts that he also used when choosing his wives...the hilarious part being the plural part of it 🤔...the comes the burn some cash comments only for them to completely nickel and dime in FA...then comes the draft after the number 3 pick which has been disastrous...then comes training camp with mixed messages...arguments in front of the media...Owenu being re-signed as a tackle then playing guard...and then the season starts and its a mess...it was doomed from the first press conference

  • @Mary-y3f9u
    @Mary-y3f9u 2 дня назад +1

    Bills want to lose so the Pats can’t ever catch up. Play Jocaby Brisset and Milton. I want to see what we have. If Drake gets injured Mayo is more dead than he is already

  • @wrecklessfrogg_tv4871
    @wrecklessfrogg_tv4871 2 дня назад

    Excuse me!!😂😂 Dexter Laboratory was Cartoon Network!!

  • @user-vg2eg7oo5n
    @user-vg2eg7oo5n 2 дня назад

    If they sit Mayo, they might win?
    Fire him after the game.

  • @bugzy2bangz
    @bugzy2bangz День назад

    If Maye is healthy you play him. He needs live reps

  • @Snap-Time
    @Snap-Time 2 дня назад +1

    Yeah sit Maye - that way Mayo will really lose the locker room and there will be no choice but to move on from him and the rest of the team management staff.

    • @danielcarcamo6336
      @danielcarcamo6336 2 дня назад +1

      He needs to be fired. What do you not realise? Or is it color? If you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, the bill is high. Are you gonna go back next sunday?

    • @Snap-Time
      @Snap-Time 2 дня назад +1

      @@danielcarcamo6336 No, no... What do *YOU* not realize? Did you misread or misunderstand my comment? Because based on the way you responded, it can only be one of those two options. I want Mayo gone as much as the next guy and losing the locker room would be a good step towards that happening.

    • @Kittonwy
      @Kittonwy 2 дня назад

      You sit maye because he had a concussion, that's a legit reason

  • @damienfallon8980
    @damienfallon8980 2 дня назад +1

    Tom, that is nonsense you giving a diagnosis of Maye's hit last week. The NFL pulls guys when they don't even have a concussion (like they did to Drake earlier this year) so the fact they allowed him to come back into the same game does not match up with your expert medical opinion. I do agree they should sit Drake and if they want to use that excuse fine but stop acting like he had a head injury. Also to say the WR room is not devoid of talent is just insane. They have the worst WR in the NFL and probably a historically bad WR room. The best WR on the Pats might not be a starter on another team.

    • @SkeletorsSon
      @SkeletorsSon День назад

      BS we just have the wrong type of recievers with the exception of Pop, we have slower recievers like Polk who rely on the O line to hold up so they can get open, all of them could play at another team today except Baker who needs more work.
      Reagor, Juju, Agholor, Gesicki and Jonnu are all starting at their new teams, it's us not the recievers and TEs.

  • @george474747
    @george474747 День назад

    It's like they're reading off a team PR department script.

    • @george474747
      @george474747 День назад

      You can feel the Patriots' media department's contempt for the public. That influence comes through the media so clearly.

  • @edwardmccullough7056
    @edwardmccullough7056 2 дня назад

    Give him the reps he gonna be going against group two guys all day . Buffalo is sitting everyone important

  • @Victory1507ci
    @Victory1507ci 6 часов назад

    10:06- are you serious ????

  • @dwayneroberts6616
    @dwayneroberts6616 2 дня назад

    If I was Drake and they played me I'd throw 3 straight interceptions for touchdowns. 😂 He has to want a real receiver and protection 😅

  • @kylebaddog5084
    @kylebaddog5084 2 дня назад +1

    Trade !!! Maye and draft a QB and use pics u get for maye to help build around can ward or sanders

  • @Cblan1224
    @Cblan1224 2 дня назад +1

    The pats better lose, and mayo better be fired by monday

  • @marway99
    @marway99 День назад

    IF VRABEL OR ANY COSCH AVAILABLE GRAB IT!! AND HIRE JOSH MCDANIEL FOR OFFENSE QB COACH. AND PUT JEROD MAYO IN DEFENSE AND HIRE GM! WE NOT NEED TO FIRED HIM. THEY NEED TO WORK AS A TEAM!

  • @Sas6903
    @Sas6903 День назад

    Who cares what the players WANT, this is a 3 win team, most shouldn’t even be back. Need an adult in the room to decide what’s best for the franchise.

  • @smaga3507
    @smaga3507 2 дня назад +1

    Only a goofball trades down from #1 or #2 unless we get a stud receiver and picks

  • @matthewl6414
    @matthewl6414 8 часов назад

    Dexter's lab was cartoon network

  • @polandfresh101
    @polandfresh101 2 дня назад +2

    Gillette should be a ghost town this weekend.
    It has to be ABUNDANTLY clear how embarrassing it was to hire a clown like Mayo, and how PATHETIC it would be to double down on the mistake by not letting him go.

  • @kurt1618
    @kurt1618 2 дня назад

    Ok here you go! Trade Drake to Tenn. for their number two. Pats bring in Coach Sanders, pick his kid #1 for QB, and his other son #2

  • @nothingman27511
    @nothingman27511 День назад

    If the goal is to lose the game for the draft pick, you should play Maye at 1-12 this season rather than Brissett at 2-1. You guys will be the laughing stock if Brissett (the better QB) goes out there and WINS the game. Mayo says he wants to win the game, so there is no reason to play Milton ahead of Brissett.

  • @SkeletorsSon
    @SkeletorsSon День назад

    Did you nobodies learn this all those years coaching?

  • @barry7920
    @barry7920 2 дня назад

    I think both Phil and Tom must have "gotten their bell rung", because all of a sudden they think that looking after Drake Maye's health is important, and they think that it might not be a great idea to fire Alex Van Pelt - both of which go directly against everything they've been saying for the past 6 weeks! I mean for 6 weeks now, several times a week, they rant and rave about how incompetent and inadequate Alex Van Pelt is and they ask over and over and over if he should be fired? They can say, "hey, it was just a question!" - but when you ask that same question dozens of times, it's really not a question any more, it's a proposal, an advocacy. Along with the drooling idiots hosting sports radio, they've got a lot to do with the lynching party of fans who want to see all these coaches fired. Now today they note that one of the players said that "That's the last thing Drake Maye needs" (no kidding!), and they actually recognize some good things AVP has done and make note that firing him could get you someone who is no better, or worse! They're finally making some sense, but what the hell have they been raving about for the past 6 weeks then???

  • @EdBogle
    @EdBogle День назад

    WRs are void of talent. You are what the film says you are. Their film neither reflects talent nor hard work.

  • @obarbeito
    @obarbeito 2 дня назад +1

    Is this what Pats fans have become? Rooting for a losers mentallity? Jeez, you go out to play and win.

  • @6XNEPATS6X
    @6XNEPATS6X 2 дня назад

    If mayo is a dead man walking, he should not have the power to start maye. Mayo isn’t and thats why i think he will be back. Big mistake on the krafts part.

  • @jinavl
    @jinavl 2 дня назад

    Biggest fall from dominance ever

  • @kylebaddog5084
    @kylebaddog5084 2 дня назад

    Atleast if drake plays yall get the L😂

  • @tomascarlsson1856
    @tomascarlsson1856 2 дня назад

    DM are stressed and overrated, need to start over

  • @Llegend1234
    @Llegend1234 2 дня назад

    They're playing way worse than last year

  • @chasedeez3038
    @chasedeez3038 День назад

    This is such a soft take from a spoiled fanbase. You guys should piss pound Buffalo with the absolute stud QB you guys have

  • @davedunville4365
    @davedunville4365 2 дня назад

    Las Vegas says fire Mayo🔥

  • @joseywales898
    @joseywales898 2 дня назад

    Bottom line soft team with a soft coach . it all started in training camp. thats what you get with a players coach. What would a 2001 Bob Craft do for the team., pretty shore we all know.

  • @1sewalker
    @1sewalker 2 дня назад

    Tom has the most complete cliche ' list I have seen.

  • @DWilliams-ce8nb
    @DWilliams-ce8nb 2 дня назад

    Pats are running WOLF's offense! The coaches are Wolf's cronies from GB & Cleveland! (Mayo is an innocent bystander.)

  • @Paul-717
    @Paul-717 2 дня назад

    I would only play Milton if the game is out of hand he has a better chance of winning than Brisset....secure the L first

  • @The_Zeitheist
    @The_Zeitheist 2 дня назад

    Come on, it is tanking not playing your best players in hope for loss, that’s how it’s done in football.
    I’d have hoped the Krafts would want to know Mayo can beat Bills backups. If he can’t…

  • @smaga3507
    @smaga3507 2 дня назад +2

    Bills want to lose so pats don’t draft Travis henry