Thanks to everyone that put this show together this season. It was an unexpected treat! The production quality was top notch, kudos to all those on that side of the house.
Tom Coughlin needs to be in the HOF before he's gone. Yes he has those 2 SB wins against Belichick and Brady, but so many people forget he was the first coach of the expansion Jaguars in 1995 and took them to back-to-back AFC championship games in Years 2 and 3 of the franchises' existence. He was a legendary coach.
My HOF Choices based All Pros & No. of Pro Bowl selections: Gates, Jairi Evans, Kuechley, Tyrer, and Jared Allen. Coach: Holmgren. Based on PFR HOF Meter: Wayne, Steve Smith, Suggs, and Vinatieri. I’d love to see all these guys in.
26:30 I wish Patricia would have mentioned how difficult the transition of becoming a head coach from under Belichick’s wing. Belichick handles so much I’m sure the workload shocked him a little bit
I think it’s more like what it’s like to be a HC without Brady at QB to basically run the team as coach on the field Belichick himself struggled without that
IIRC During the 7 seasons of Sterling Sharpe's career he was 2nd in total receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns. The only player more productive during those 7 seasons was prime Jerry Rice
Coach. No lacrosse stick on set? I think I deserve an interview just for that. - The award winning risk and control analyst who wrote you for a job a "few" years ago.
I would like to throw out a couple more people that need to be in the Hall of Fame. In the Real Goat scoring system, which is the most comprehensive evaluation of a quarterback's career, Ken Anderson scores as the 15th greatest quarterback to start a career after 1947. That puts him ahead of many Hall of Famers. It is also unbelievable to me that the player with fifth highest rated career, by pro football reference, of all defensive linemen in the history of the game is not in the Hall of Fame. That man's name is Jim Marshall.
Terrell suggs isn't a HOF? Or Adam Veniteri?! Rodney Harrison? Bro these guys were the best at what they did during their day that's crazy. I'm a Browns fan and hate the ravens btw, more than any team by far. Suggs was a monster. I think all time leader in TFL. Unreal he isn't already in.
I have an idea for game 18/player health and limits to playtime. How about this. You have your base roster. And you are given some form of additives for the foreign games. You can add say two players for offense and two for defense, and these need to be foreign talent. These players then have to play in X number of games including the foreign games. I used the number 2, but it could be more or less. This stretch allows for talent to be coached, and a wider selection of squad for game 18/injuries/wear and tear. What better to grow the fans interest than if you have 4 Brits in the London game, 4 Irish guys in the Irish game, 4 German guys in the German game and so on. And underneath this, the scouting work and resource - - maybe the league assists with some of that. If the NFL is to go global, Grass roots scope of the game outside the US will need to grow. There is a lot of athletic talent in Rugby and Rugby league that is untapped by NFL.
Eric Allen not already being in the HOF borders on criminal. I know this most likely won’t be a popular thing to say, but that’s never stopped me before.. Putting a part time player like Devin Hester in the HOF before an every down player like Eric Allen at what is arguably the most difficult NFL position (aside from QB) is disgraceful. To be clear, Devin Hester being inducted was absolutely deserved. He was incredible. But not at the expense of an every down lockdown CB who performed at a similar level to guys like Darrelle Revis and Aeneas Williams. Especially considering unlike those guys, he was also ridiculously dynamic with the ball in his hands. For proof of this, look up “Eric Allen pick 6 vs Jets 1993”.
I don't think they could possibly do it. They're going to be spending so much time coaching they're not going to have time to produce this stuff. I mean maybe the channel will still exist and so on but I can't imagine Lombardi and Bill and the core coaching staff being regular appearances. Especially with Bill being so media cautious.
Marv Levy took the Bills to the Super Bowl 4 years in a row. Lost them all, but try to imagine how difficult it was to get there. The HOF is a weird and not so wonderful place,
It’s easier to draft a QB with 20 or more TD passes in one season than it is to get a head coach with 10 or more wins in the same timeframe. Be careful with coaching hires fans.
I’d like to see these 3 together in the NFL. But Matt should stay on the defensive side of the ball. As a lifelong Patriots fan I can say bill was awesome. Kraft is the problem in New England
Oh that's disappointing I have to concur with everyone else that now that I've seen the end of the episode.... Looks like the show won't be continuing for the playoffs.
The kickoff rule is garbage. I understand why they did it. But we forget a Touchback came out at the 20yd line forever. Then 25yd line. Now 30. With the new kickoff you're almost guaranteed to start at the 30 or better. They're ruining the game to make the casuals happy. I'm fine if you want to make the kickoff more safe. Stop giving the offense free yards
Can you tell the history of the game without eli manning? No. However no one else from that game on the NYG side line are being talked about plaxico Buress just tuck osi Antonio pierce none of the starters from the defense are being talked about so as far as I'm concerned eli isn't a HOF'r and damn sure not a 1st ballot hof. He isn't and never was a top qb when he played
Not Eli....very good but not all-time great. Was never top-3 or even top-5 QB iany year during his career. There were times the Giants were going to cut/move on from him.
Number 11 all time in passing yards? Number 11 all time in touchdowns? 2 time Superbowl MVP? Knocked out one of the best teams of all time? He's definitely an all time great
Eli was an average starting QB. Andy Dalton, Dak Prescott level. Matt Ryan, Steve McNair, Philip Rivers, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo were/are better QBs
Ahahaha I mean McNair, Rivers, Palmer are all on his level I would say. The other guys are a tier below. Rivers will get into the HOF easily so being worse than him is fine, a lot of guys will be who go in. Statistically, he's ridiculous. But two less rings than Eli! Most of the others you mentioned have done nothing to deserve better than Eli, but Baker's grit is comparible to Eli to me. Their game is different but they are similar in terms of toughness. Too soon to tell tho for thems
@@erikpuka2627 I like all the guys you mentioned. But they have two less rings than Eli, because when it mattered most, they didn't have it. Phil Rivers had LT and Antonio Gates too not just the best at their position at the time but maybe two of the best we have ever seen. So it's kinda weak he did nothing with that
The nfl is highly incentivized to keep expanding American football internationally. And I definitely don’t mind being able to watch football from 9 am to 11pm on my Sundays.
U cant stop a business from expansion. They’re starting by getting young people interested in playing because talent is the main commodity. I prefer it be US only teams but there are young nigerian etc players that can ball - i dont mind that
I'll take less games on different streaming services over restricting international expansion. NFL getting wayyyy too greedy. Pretty soon every team will be playing 1 home game internationally, not a big fan of that either
Stanley Morgan. Compare his stats to Lynn Swann - how is Juggs not in the Hall? People say Swann has post-season success, yet if you ask Pats fans if Edelman should be in the Hall they say No way! But that has more to do with Boston sports fans / media being the worst fans in pro sports. There's no push to put Juggs or Jules or even Bledsoe in the Hall. Other fan bases / media launch campaign for guys. Not here.
@@Iceman_Cool Again, almost double the number of receptions as Hall of Famer Lynn Swann - both playoffs and regular season. 3 SB rings. SB MVP. Won an AFCCG while taking snaps on Defense! One of the best Punt Returners in history. I have no idea why New England sports fans are so ignorant and horrible - but as I say, the fans as well of the media actively hurt their teams because players simply don't want to play for such a**holes and I do not blame them.
@@PatriotsVideos Lynn swann? The guy who played 50 years ago? Lol. What a pointless comparison. One of the best punt returners ever? Not even close. I'm not a new england fan and I don't value team success all that highly in HOF discussions unless you were a top 3-5 player on your team which edelman largely wasn't his entire career. He is never getting in, cry all you want
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This show has been great for my football IQ. No frills, no BS, just great dialogue all year. Thanks, gentlemen!
I know Bill wanted to be back on the sideline, playing "Violent Chess", but gonna miss this. This was a great series.
I agree great show for those who sppreciate football!!
This show is so good. Im gonna miss warching this for sure.
Is there any indication this show will end with Bill going to UNC?
Michael said in a podcast they will continue this.
Thanks so much Bill, Mike, Matt, and the whole crew supporting the show. Truly the best football show on the planet.
Thanks to everyone that put this show together this season. It was an unexpected treat! The production quality was top notch, kudos to all those on that side of the house.
Tom Coughlin needs to be in the HOF before he's gone. Yes he has those 2 SB wins against Belichick and Brady, but so many people forget he was the first coach of the expansion Jaguars in 1995 and took them to back-to-back AFC championship games in Years 2 and 3 of the franchises' existence. He was a legendary coach.
Yes he was. And like Belichick he comes from the parcels coaching tree. He was a wide receivers coach for the giants
Agreed.
I thought he was already in. Put him in now
Coughlin in, but deny Eli. I don’t give a shit that he has two rings. 244 interceptions (led NFL 3 times) with only a 60% completion percentage.
Thank you guys - I feel privileged to have been able to enjoy your insights this year.
Please, this can't be a goodbye! This show is so good.
I'm gonna miss this. Great job guys :)
Thanks for such a stellar production!
Please keep the show going when u coach please this shit is everything to me this season you guys got me back into football
Amazing show. I learned so much this season. Thank you.
Good luck fellas. These discussions are priceless.
10:15 Barry McCockiner has been preaching this, think you’d love him coach!
Wow. This goon be thr last time I'm watching this?!?
We'll miss the coach crew a lot. Noin like it.
Bless yall
This show was amazing. Top notch knowledge, no media narratives, no drama, just some damn good football talk
Great season, Coach
Thank you!
Best wishes from Norway
Stay safe, ball out
Go Niners
Enjoy the show. Reminds me of sitting around dinner table with family. Sound intellectual conversations.
Bill should be the commissioner and HOF president man he has more football knowledge of every detail than every one ever combined
Sterling should also be in. Definitely agree
Going to miss this show. Thank you for a very enjoyable and weekly thought provoking conversation this season. Best of luck to you all.
Great show, as always, just football and more football.
With Luke Kuechley, Sterling Sharpe, Adam Vinatieri, and Mike Holgrem, this class could actually be great for the HoF.
The man's the goat. Turns out he's good at running a show too.
Darth Sizzle is definitely a first ballot type of goat. He wasn't all pass rush. He was an all-around edge and dpoy
This was a great show! Sad to see it go.
My HOF Choices based All Pros & No. of Pro Bowl selections: Gates, Jairi Evans, Kuechley, Tyrer, and Jared Allen.
Coach: Holmgren.
Based on PFR HOF Meter: Wayne, Steve Smith, Suggs, and Vinatieri.
I’d love to see all these guys in.
Mike’s player count idea is really brilliant
26:30 I wish Patricia would have mentioned how difficult the transition of becoming a head coach from under Belichick’s wing. Belichick handles so much I’m sure the workload shocked him a little bit
I think it’s more like what it’s like to be a HC without Brady at QB to basically run the team as coach on the field Belichick himself struggled without that
Rodney Harrison should already be in the Hall
Looking around the Hall Of Fame you see a lot of guys who were top three at their position for five or more years.
IIRC During the 7 seasons of Sterling Sharpe's career he was 2nd in total receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns. The only player more productive during those 7 seasons was prime Jerry Rice
21,000 views 500 likes. Come on people we need more of this!
Coach. No lacrosse stick on set? I think I deserve an interview just for that. - The award winning risk and control analyst who wrote you for a job a "few" years ago.
Put these 3 guys in charge of hall of fame
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!!!!!!!
I would like to throw out a couple more people that need to be in the Hall of Fame. In the Real Goat scoring system, which is the most comprehensive evaluation of a quarterback's career, Ken Anderson scores as the 15th greatest quarterback to start a career after 1947. That puts him ahead of many Hall of Famers. It is also unbelievable to me that the player with fifth highest rated career, by pro football reference, of all defensive linemen in the history of the game is not in the Hall of Fame. That man's name is Jim Marshall.
I’m gonna miss this show. I assume Bill can’t do this next season with his UNC job.
Terrell suggs isn't a HOF? Or Adam Veniteri?! Rodney Harrison? Bro these guys were the best at what they did during their day that's crazy. I'm a Browns fan and hate the ravens btw, more than any team by far. Suggs was a monster. I think all time leader in TFL. Unreal he isn't already in.
Lukes Father is in the WWE Hall of Fame..will be first Father n Son being in any Professional Hall of Fame.
I have an idea for game 18/player health and limits to playtime. How about this. You have your base roster. And you are given some form of additives for the foreign games. You can add say two players for offense and two for defense, and these need to be foreign talent. These players then have to play in X number of games including the foreign games. I used the number 2, but it could be more or less. This stretch allows for talent to be coached, and a wider selection of squad for game 18/injuries/wear and tear.
What better to grow the fans interest than if you have 4 Brits in the London game, 4 Irish guys in the Irish game, 4 German guys in the German game and so on.
And underneath this, the scouting work and resource - - maybe the league assists with some of that. If the NFL is to go global, Grass roots scope of the game outside the US will need to grow.
There is a lot of athletic talent in Rugby and Rugby league that is untapped by NFL.
Coach! Do you think Mike Shanahan should have been the HOF coach selection vs Holmgren?
If Eli gets into the hall of fame 1st ballot, it really lessens the glamor of the the hall. 1st ballot is reserved for generational players.
Eric Allen not already being in the HOF borders on criminal. I know this most likely won’t be a popular thing to say, but that’s never stopped me before..
Putting a part time player like Devin Hester in the HOF before an every down player like Eric Allen at what is arguably the most difficult NFL position (aside from QB) is disgraceful.
To be clear, Devin Hester being inducted was absolutely deserved. He was incredible. But not at the expense of an every down lockdown CB who performed at a similar level to guys like Darrelle Revis and Aeneas Williams. Especially considering unlike those guys, he was also ridiculously dynamic with the ball in his hands. For proof of this, look up “Eric Allen pick 6 vs Jets 1993”.
Will this show air next year??
I don't think they could possibly do it. They're going to be spending so much time coaching they're not going to have time to produce this stuff. I mean maybe the channel will still exist and so on but I can't imagine Lombardi and Bill and the core coaching staff being regular appearances. Especially with Bill being so media cautious.
Will there be more episodes during the playoffs or was this it?
I’d be shocked if they stopped before the playoffs
The way they ended this episode heavily implied this was it. I hope I’m wrong
@@nostalgik84now that I’ve finished the episode I’m afraid I agree. Looks like this is the end. Rip to the greatest football show of all time.
If I had to guess they would go right through the super bowl. But it might depend on when his obligations start with the UNC
I think the league was perfect under the 16-game format. Having an odd number of games makes no sense to me.
Eli is 100% a hall of famer
The NFL Players Union will have alot to say about any Extra games.
Eric berry should be in
Marv Levy took the Bills to the Super Bowl 4 years in a row. Lost them all, but try to imagine how difficult it was to get there. The HOF is a weird and not so wonderful place,
Sharpe had Favre from 1992-94 so that is more than 1 year.
It’s easier to draft a QB with 20 or more TD passes in one season than it is to get a head coach with 10 or more wins in the same timeframe. Be careful with coaching hires fans.
Wait
This isn't Tom Grossi...
How is Hines Ward not in the HOF? If Kuechly, Willis, Suggs are/will be in
There is a log jam at WR, he will def get in. Might take a few years
It’s been real yall
I’d like to see these 3 together in the NFL. But Matt should stay on the defensive side of the ball. As a lifelong Patriots fan I can say bill was awesome. Kraft is the problem in New England
T Sizzle
Kickoffs suck. If popularity was up. They wouldn't have to go to other countries.
Why isn’t Dick Vermil in the HOF????
He was inducted in 2022. True.
@ Thanks
The only thing I want to change is start the regular season earlier, so the last season game is before thanksgiving.
Do you want players dropping dead from heat?
@revo1974 would you rather have frost bite and ice bowl games?
@revo1974 training camp is in June, July, and august.
Put woodson in the hof
I'm not gonna lie its crazy he isn't in. Charles woodson had a pretty similar career and he got in first. That heisman def helps though
come on, couldnt figure out how to stream, u have so many resources to help u out Bill
Tom Flores
Oh that's disappointing I have to concur with everyone else that now that I've seen the end of the episode.... Looks like the show won't be continuing for the playoffs.
How about we just go back to 16 games, that's what the fans want. More games dilute the leagues once greatness. These new kicking rules blow too.
The kickoff rule is garbage. I understand why they did it. But we forget a Touchback came out at the 20yd line forever. Then 25yd line. Now 30. With the new kickoff you're almost guaranteed to start at the 30 or better. They're ruining the game to make the casuals happy. I'm fine if you want to make the kickoff more safe. Stop giving the offense free yards
Shaughnessy my ass... Knute Rockne
Can you tell the history of the game without eli manning? No. However no one else from that game on the NYG side line are being talked about plaxico Buress just tuck osi Antonio pierce none of the starters from the defense are being talked about so as far as I'm concerned eli isn't a HOF'r and damn sure not a 1st ballot hof. He isn't and never was a top qb when he played
Roger Craig
Not Eli....very good but not all-time great. Was never top-3 or even top-5 QB iany year during his career. There were times the Giants were going to cut/move on from him.
Number 11 all time in passing yards? Number 11 all time in touchdowns? 2 time Superbowl MVP? Knocked out one of the best teams of all time? He's definitely an all time great
If he isnt, then neither is Brady. Brady had two cracks at Eli, on the biggest stage, with the better teams, and failed both times.
@@Tron247beating the undefeated pats was pretty nuts alone
I agree, Eli is def questionable. I think he was just a good qb. Nothing special.
@@HawgWyldFishing
You are crazy.
Eli was an average starting QB. Andy Dalton, Dak Prescott level.
Matt Ryan, Steve McNair, Philip Rivers, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo were/are better QBs
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Ahahaha I mean McNair, Rivers, Palmer are all on his level I would say. The other guys are a tier below. Rivers will get into the HOF easily so being worse than him is fine, a lot of guys will be who go in. Statistically, he's ridiculous. But two less rings than Eli! Most of the others you mentioned have done nothing to deserve better than Eli, but Baker's grit is comparible to Eli to me. Their game is different but they are similar in terms of toughness. Too soon to tell tho for thems
@@louisminati I mean tape. How good they were. Not stats. Not accolades. They played the position at a higher level
@@erikpuka2627 I like all the guys you mentioned. But they have two less rings than Eli, because when it mattered most, they didn't have it. Phil Rivers had LT and Antonio Gates too not just the best at their position at the time but maybe two of the best we have ever seen. So it's kinda weak he did nothing with that
Patriots fan?
Eli’s stats are terrible
You can Tell Matt Patricia doesn't get to Eat in the Team Banquet hall anymore.😮😮😮
Kraft? Lol
International games are stupid and there’s too many
The nfl is highly incentivized to keep expanding American football internationally. And I definitely don’t mind being able to watch football from 9 am to 11pm on my Sundays.
Why does it hurt?
U cant stop a business from expansion. They’re starting by getting young people interested in playing because talent is the main commodity. I prefer it be US only teams but there are young nigerian etc players that can ball - i dont mind that
I'll take less games on different streaming services over restricting international expansion. NFL getting wayyyy too greedy.
Pretty soon every team will be playing 1 home game internationally, not a big fan of that either
Bill n Matt's Hair looks great..The Toupee Dead Squirrel Top on the that other Dude..not that great.
screw international NFL
First
Love the Coach.
Not so much the NFL.
Too bad you guys can't criticize the league.
Stanley Morgan. Compare his stats to Lynn Swann - how is Juggs not in the Hall? People say Swann has post-season success, yet if you ask Pats fans if Edelman should be in the Hall they say No way! But that has more to do with Boston sports fans / media being the worst fans in pro sports. There's no push to put Juggs or Jules or even Bledsoe in the Hall. Other fan bases / media launch campaign for guys. Not here.
Edelman is no where close to a HOFer, ring of honor is honestly debatable with him. He will probably get that but its no gimme
@@Iceman_Cool Again, almost double the number of receptions as Hall of Famer Lynn Swann - both playoffs and regular season. 3 SB rings. SB MVP. Won an AFCCG while taking snaps on Defense! One of the best Punt Returners in history. I have no idea why New England sports fans are so ignorant and horrible - but as I say, the fans as well of the media actively hurt their teams because players simply don't want to play for such a**holes and I do not blame them.
@@PatriotsVideos Lynn swann? The guy who played 50 years ago? Lol. What a pointless comparison. One of the best punt returners ever? Not even close. I'm not a new england fan and I don't value team success all that highly in HOF discussions unless you were a top 3-5 player on your team which edelman largely wasn't his entire career. He is never getting in, cry all you want