An MMORPG Character REALLY Made Me Question Life!? | Final Fantasy 14 | Yotsuyu Brutus
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Growing up playing MMO's like World of Warcraft & Runescape honestly left me with the impression that the deep story telling & RPG elements were always going to be slightly outside the realm of being truly profound. But the deeper I've gone into Final Fantasy 14 I've been pleasantly surprised to find its not true. The story telling aspects of this MMORPG are getting DEEEP. Especially as I moved toward the ending of Stormblood and start of the Shadowbringers expansion. Yotsuyu Brutus of Final Fantasy 14 left an impression on me that I really appreciated & will attempt to articulate in this video. It's got the similar theme of the shadow self in Persona games & the stark commentary on society that the latest Joker movie articulated. Yotsuyu was something special in the story of Final Fantasy 14 and I see now why people kept telling me this MMORPG is on par with some of the mainline games of Final Fantasy. Yotsuyu was a sad and tragic death :(. Profound Peasant engaged! Give me a holler if you want more FF14 coverage, no spoiler pre shadowbringers though please :D.
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People cried over Haucherfant, but Yotsuyu affected me much more deeply and emotionally than any other character in the entire MMO to date. I don't know if I'm a glutton for punishment, but to me her story is like one of those unforgettable manga where once you're done with it, you can only sit there and weep uncontrollably.
Me too 😭
Oh he’s gonna love Shadowbringers and I can’t wait until he gets there!
he his. check on twitch.
You like emotional torture don't you? Lol
After Amh Araeng scene:
"Welcome to Shadowbringers Pezz"
Pezz: "Oh my god, maybe you guys weren't joking"
Can't wait till Emet video coming up
The emotional roller coaster
In the end Yotsuyu saw herself as a flower that could only bloom in the darkness.
chrysanthemum are flowers on graves in Japan... they bloom on dead people
@@ShirokamiHichino I think you may be thinking of the red spider lily (the flower referenced in the Tsukuyomi fight). They're associated with death, reincarnation, funerals, etc.
Chrysanthemums, on the other hand, are associated with nobles. Specifically, the chrysanthemum is the symbol of the Imperial Family, and the Emperor's position (the Chrysanthemum Throne).
But isn't that the logic of the broken hearted. By enduring darkness and then becoming great, the darkness must be the cause of the greatness. People who have endured horrors really do "bloom anew" from them... if the hell doesn't destroy them.
Guess gonna have to leave this to me. Gosetsu was the death of Yotsuyu both figuratively and literally. By showing her kindness and nurturing her, she was able to be reborn as Tsuyu. However, had Yotsuyu not been cruel and cold, she would have not survived her circumstances, nor risen to prominence. Becoming a monster allowed Yotsuyu to not only survive, but flourish. Becoming Tsuyu occurred too late in her life, because by that point, her sins had already stacked up. Yet in the environment of a conquered Doma, a pure Tsuyu in a cruel land would have perished. Gosetsu gave her a fleeting moment of joy, but it is also this fleeting moment of joy that inevitably lead to her demise. After experiencing life as Tsuyu, and also remembering her sins as Yotsuyu, the two sides could not coexist. His love caused her to feel guilt for the first time. She then saw the only way to redemption, was death. Not only did she try to kill herself due to his kindness, but her dialogue in the boss battle alludes to the fact that she knows she will not survive. "A nightbloom shall flower here upon the site of my demise." A nightlily is a flower that represents a grand moment of glory, that is however, brief in its lifespan. This is because the flower only blooms at night, and wilts by dawn. The dawn in this case, is the persona of Tsuyu, whose name is literally Morning Dew...while Yotsuyu is Night Dew. Gosetsu and his love have no place in her memories, because his love is literally killing her. Being a victim did not make Yotsuyu weak. Her circumstances, cruel as they were, made her strong. She was a survivor. The mechanics of the fight demonstrate this literally. The pain and bitterness of everyone hurting her is what makes her enraged, and allows her to wipe you in the fight and live. Ironically, the party protecting her from her abusers..and then Gosetsu protecting of her against Zenos, is making her weak and guilty. Before Gosetsu, she merely survived and did not see herself as evil. But after knowing love, she sees that she was too far gone, her sins irreversible and forever a part of her. Either she could live a pure, brief life as Tsuyu, or a cruel long life as Yotsuyu. But she is both Yotsuyu and Tsuyu: a cruel woman with guilt. In the end, she was not the hero of her story who overcame her pain, but the victim turned villain of Doma, who wanted redemption, even though she knew she could only be redeemed by perishing.
I vividly remember telling Yotsuyu that Gosetsu would mourn her because, in a way, I was mourning her too. I role play the Warrior of Light pretty hard, to the point I made my character look like the Warrior of Light from the trailers. I get very emotionally invested.
I knew I couldn’t forgive what she had done and I wasn’t sad because of the innocent person Yotsuyu was for a time during her memory loss. I mourned her because she was a monster created by greed, hate and manipulation, that she never stood a chance. Essentially, I was mourning a person I failed to save, a broken soul that felt unlovable and worthless. It’s why I hate her brother so damn much.
Personally, I found the parallels between Yotsuyu, Lyse, and Fordola to be really interesting. All were young women born into areas conquered by the Garleans. Really, the largest difference was in who raised them and were their friends.
Lyse had her sister, Papalymo, and the other Scions.
Fordola had her group of friends (who were killed when she fired the cannon) and then Arenvald. She also had the Resonant powers to really bring in the impact of what she had done to others.
But Yotsuyu had no one. Her family abused and used her. She had no friends, as anyone near her either abused her or were abused by her.
Very well written.
Yotsuyu, being one of the main villains of Stormblood, has so much history behind her character.
You understand exactly why she is the way she is and how she acts around people. I really loved her story.
You can't forgive all the murder and slaughter, but understand why she does it.
When you get to Shadowbringers, (without giving away spoilers), you guys should really do the Ascians
She's the Beatrice Horseman of JRPGs. It's sad because you understood that she was broken by life, and even the thing she looked to for salvation - the empire - just kept on breaking her. In the end, it's less the vengeful killing I thought it'd be when I first met her and more hoping that the Dothral were right - that some of us get a second chance in a new life.
Can someone explain it to me? I don't understand how you go from understandably wanting your abusive and sadistic family dead and the people who wrong you specifically, to applying that to an entire nation and making a young boy shoot his own parents who had NOTHING to do with it, not even tangentially.
She was ridiculously evil. She wasn't even indoctrinated and crazy. I don't see her point at all, I don't understand how she got that insane. I felt like they want you to think it's deep, but it feels like I dived in to a 2ft deep pool and hit my head hard. I just saw Yotsuyu and Fordola both as extremely stupid people with a penchant for sadism and giving up in life. Both of their motivations feel so damn weak to me.
She also should of died when they saved Gosetsu. There was no reason at all to not cut down a very dangerous person right then and there, her and that dumb Roe with pink cheeks who turned into Frankenstein later. They were saved purely for the plot.
The game even taunts the player as the "hero" and says that we should make sure the job was actually done.
I now feel that people are saved because plot armor, usually bad people who for sheer safety reasons should be dead, but also that the hero's are really really bad at their job of protecting others because they refuse to actually take dangerous people out or even just arrest them.
@@vixxcelacea2778 honestly it's because trauma wraps you... once you have a taste of power too it all adds up, because no one gave her a helping hand because it's easier to blame all of Doma than accepting what happened. There isnt a proper reasoning to it because it's due to her trauma and the fact she is given power and a position that will add up to wrapping this bad emotions and escalating them. she suffered and no one gave an honest helping hand and because of that she believes everyone must suffer, she started finding pleasure in seeing others in despair like she once was.
@@vixxcelacea2778 its good, in a way, that you don't understand it. It means you don't have first-hand knowledge of that kind of treatment, how it warps you and kills your empathy for others. I can't feel anything but sorrow for her, even with everyone she killed and tortured. It doesn't excuse her monstrous actions, definitely not, but explains them? Absolutely it explains them.
They say we're all just 'the worst day of our lives' away from snapping. Well, every day of Yotsuyu's life was the worst day of her life, until she gained just a little bit of power. And like far, far too many broken people do, when she got the power, she used it to hurt others as she had been hurt. Because she knew nothing else, had experienced nothing other than pain, and cruelty.
I mourn for her. Not for the Witch of Doma. But for Tsuyu, the little girl inside of the monster who never had a chance to live.
Just imagine FFPeasant caught up to 5.3... man this video is gonna be like 3 hours long XDD
Poor child.
Wept like a baby
That trial....
I cried like a b*tch. 😭
yotsuyu is a great character. She is someone i dont really like but i feel alot of sympathy for. Gosetsu being my favorite character of Stormblood and the dude who carried that expansion for me. I'm pretty sure him protecting her and seeing her as his daughter really made me feel "better" about her. I also thought the "amnesia" was trickery and she was waiting to strike as she was a manipulative cow. It was by far my favorite part of Stormblood the patch of gosetsu and tsuyu was by far my fave.
The tsukuyomi fight is amazing too. She says she will embrace her craziness bit in the tsukuyomi fight gosetsu being her "light" showed me that she really wanted the live as "the little innocent lady" or atleast the peace she had when she forgot everything.
Agreed. There was a point where I believed the same where she was probably faking it and waiting for an opportune moment to strike or she'd remember at the precise moment but to my surprise Tsuyu and Square Enix proved me wrong and I felt pretty bad for thinking that way. It kinda showed that although she had done bad things and you shouldn't justify them=, that doesn't mean that person can't redeem themselves to some degree. Tsuyu really didn't deserve what life brought her and it made me wish that the WoL could have arrived sooner to do more.
@@WannSky I felt the same way with Fordola after she joined the battle against the enchantress. I think her stepping in to protect the civilians from the aether was what made me change my mind about her. I think she's just scared deep down and has a softer side to her.
@@WannSky
I didn’t see it as a sign that Yotsuyu could be redeemed. I saw the time she spent with Gosetsu as a “What if?” scenario where she hadn’t met the people that would help shape her into the viceroy. Instead she was a normal girl who grew up with a doting grandfather. It made Gosetsu being too late to say good bye hit pretty hard as a basically started questions his faith over how Yotsuyu’s story ended.
Poor Yotsuyu... :(
Tsuyu deserved a kinder fate.
Hmm, maybe. But I'd say she couldn't ask for a finer, grander end
@@dongshenghan1473 I mean..... she got the pleasure of being the one that kill her douche of a brother
Yeah.. :( Just finished that part 2 days ago...
@@Dehn396 spoiler
He's alive at the end of shadowbringers
@@leon24832 Technically, yes and no
"Empathy for your ennemy". Someone is gonna enjoy Shadowbringers.
It's fine to feel sorry for Yotsuyu.
If you feel empathy towards a character with the same outlook as the Joker, contact your nearest psychiatrist immediately.
While I loved the villains in Shadowbringers like Emet-Selch, He couldn't beat Yotsuyu for me. She's a villain made in a cruel world, she's a flower left in the darkness to wilt. She was made who she was by experiences, bad ones, from her step parents who treated her poorly, a uncaring spoiled stepbrother, to being married off and much more. The only person to treat her with kindness, with a heart in the entire story was Gosetsu.
She has had one of the better amnesia stories for sure and it made me sad, that even as Tsuyu, she was still being treated poorly, because people saw her for the past she had and I didn't like how Tsuyu, scared, confused and defenseless, was about to be cut down by Hien in that one cutscene, it made me disappointed in him and everytime Asahi appeared in a cutscene with her, he was forcing the memories, her life as Tsuyu was short lived, but it's the most memorable to me.
But if anything, I savored the deaths of her step parents and Asahi. She was a victim of a cruel upbringing and the fact, that even with amnesia, they were still planning on using her. She was a victim, who got her revenge on those for making her what she saw herself, a monster, which in turn, made the whole world see her as it, because she embraced it, she embraced that side, that darkness. When you thought she was going to have redemption, that ended up not being a case, she didn't have one, she was so close, but ended up being so far from it as well.
Her fight was amazing and the music was beautiful.
FFXIV's characters, writing, and everything has made this game have some of my favorite heroes and villains in entire gaming world. I'm happy to experience FFXIV and I can't wait to experience more.
One of the few Primals I've hated killing.
I love Yotsuyu. I loved her from the moment she was first on screen. You better believe I was screaming just like you did when I saw that post-SB credits scene. Sadly I had taken a break between ~4.1 to 4.5 so while I wasn't outright spoiled it was hard to not see Tsukuyomi when all your mates play FFXIV so I knew what would become of Yotsuyu, just not what happens in between which made the journey to the end hurt even more knowing there was no hope for her. However I was incredibly happy to see her kill her "parents" and Asahi. Personally would have made it a more brutal death, but EH. And then her comment about Gosetsu in her dying breaths and then during the fight how the memory of Gosetsu appears to defend her made me cry like a bitch. Even fully conscious as Yotsuyu she cares for him, likely seeing him as a father figure. That, I think, proves the fact Yotsuyu was simply a product of shitty Domans unknowingly creating a monster as a single man's decision to see to her safety and happiness despite the fact he knows full well what she was/is was enough to nudge her very far to her senses. I guarantee if Yotsuyu had regained her memories without Asahi's fuckery she would still be alive maybe even traveling the world alongside Gosetsu since she would know she can't stay in Doma.
I love Yotsuyu so very much and she's by far my favorite character in the game. I even bought one of the SB artbooks purely so I could get the Yotsuyu minion.
I was pissed when Hien agreed to hand her over to Asahi. I was sitting there thinking “Hien, you’re doing exactly what the people who helped create the viceroy did: using her as a means of convenience.” Sure enough, it leads to more bloodshed.
Tsukuyomi was one of my favourite boss fights. The music is fantastic and when you know what you're doing you feel like such a badass. The story during the boss fight was tragic too. Gosetsu!!!
16:52 you pointed Nero and Gaius to exemplify the "bad guys" who turned a new leaf, but I'd even add Ysayle to the equation honestly. SE has been doing memorable and incredible "bad guys" since before the very first expansion.
The thing of it is, the didn't make light or ignore the bad things they've done in their positions of power. They just understood that the Empire isn't worth serving anymore, so their talents are better used toward different ends.
To me that's how you redeem a villain: they see for themselves their evil ways will ultimately get them nothing, and THEY make an effort to do something more worthwhile with themselves.
All of these Jungian concepts are very interesting and fit the character well! The Persona, the Shadow, the Ego, and the Anima-they are all within this character. The confident courtesan is her persona and her past self with all of its flaws and the little bit of soul she has-her true self-is the shadow. I find that even in these trying times with the pandemic and all of the free time we have at the moment has made us reflect upon ourselves and we’ve all been connecting to characters and stories a lot more, especially within the medium of video games.
I really hope we get to see more Fordola in the future. They bring her up in the Summoner 80 class quest so it's clear the Devs haven't forgotten about her.
I’ve said for years that FFXIV has one of if not THE best story in the entire series. Ishikawa is a truly refined, mature writer, and she stands out in the sea of juvenile Nomuras at Square.
Just wait until Shadowbringers, buddy. You’re going to be blown away.
Having time to flesh out characters and incorporate people of note at every level of society helps the overall narrative as well. From the Tataru's to the Zenos' of the world we get time to spend with each of these characters and see them during their downtimes which reveals alot more about what makes them tick.
FFXIV plays to the main draw of an MMO and the budgets that the genre needs in that it develops a world and infuses it with little breadcrumbs of lore that create a robust and complex world.
Writing for an MMO that takes story seriously is pretty much the best circumstance writers can hope for. You can adjust your writing to what the audience reacts well to, your story shouldn't even be finished at release as you need material for future patches and you may actually write the story before a trailer forces your hand. And lastly: your typical JRPG has between 60 and 100 hours of expected gameplay. A good third of that is spent with other parts than the story. How many hours does doing all the quests of Final Fantasy 14 take at this point?
This is the breakdown and analysis video I needed for one of my favorite characters in FFXIV. Fantastic.
As a fellow lover of etymology, especially in Final Fantasy, I implore you look up information on Tsukuyomi as a mythological and Shinto figure. There's a very deep and complex aspect to the god as one of contradiction and devotion to his own ideology in contention to the other gods he circles. These ideals are directly explored in Yotsuyu's duality. You won't regret lookin into it.
…I can't wait to enjoy your Shadowbringers ride.
the tale of yotsuyu/tsuyu really hurts me to tears. the way she has been so mistreated and abused/used, all the pain she has endured and even while she made some mad choices, you could tell she was masking some serious pain/trauma she had endured. it truly is a very sad story. probably the story arc that made me the most emotional from FF14 so far. it goes deeper than most people think.
I hated her first, then i liked her, then she was dead, and i got sad ☹
An old Chinese idiom: people who are lamentable usually are also despicable
tsuyu story really hit me hard as I had a similar upbringing. I was abused by my step dad, my mom just didn't support me, i was a maid for them just about, and my name was put on bills and now im in dept over it. I was helped out by my bf whom i met in ff14.
but ya.. seeing her story play out really hit my feels. I been there blaming everyone for hurting me, just wanting to hurt them back.
I'm sorry to hear about your upbringing. My husband had similar issues in his upbringing including his credit being ruined by his mother using his social for bills without his knowledge. I hope you have the support you need now.
Peasant: What I expect to be a very dank expansion.
Me who's finished 5.3: You have no idea. Hold on to your ass Peasant. This expansion and the continuation of it to it's conclusion in Patch 5.3 is utterly amazing.
"...Would these gross permutations exist in a utopia, a perfect society..."
Hmmmmmmmmm
He doesn’t know kekw
He will have so much fun in shadowbringers.
O no no no Pez lacks info PepeLaugh
Yes they would, because everyone having a place in society does not mean everyone is happy with their place in society.
@@ChainedFei Well obviously given recent developments we know that the society wasn't as perfect as certain parties would have us believe.
You get her, I'm glad you understand.
Empathy is huge in FFXIV. That's the best part of it, that it has had the time to build a huge world, give it life, and let it breathe and with Stormblood and Shadowbringers now that living world is something we're attached to and have empathy for its characters and locales and lore. It's the best the series has had in decades (if not ever).
My favorite part of Stormblood was 4.2 and 4.3 to be honest. For a moment I forgot that the much aclaimed Shadowbringers was right around the corner and just fell for Yotsuyu, her story really made me feel things. And than that Trial was just epic af.
Did you also get those Cid/Celes vibes with Gosetsu catching fish for Yotsuyu? And I'm sure a thousand other people are saying it, but I'm stoked for you to experience Shadowbringers!
Hey, good to see some XIV content from a Final Fantasy channel! Usually, the only XIV content I see is from MMO channels or ones dedicated specifically to XIV. This game is hands down my favorite FF by far (used to be a tie between VII and IX), but too many FF fans completely dismiss it because it's an MMO. In doing so, they're depriving themselves of one of the best experiences FF has to offer.
And man, if Stormblood hit you this hard, Shadowbringers will absolutely destroy you.
heck ppl barely acknowledge ff11.
I agree with you until Shadowbringers dropped. It destroyed everything in favor for casual play
Not going to lie, i cared more about Yotsuyu story than any Gyr Abania/Lyne story or even Zenos, i tear up during her trial when Gosetsu appears and then the ending and the dialogue made me cry. . .
As someone who cried for a long time and thought endlessly for Yotsuyu and her development after her starring role, I appreciate the time taken to analyze her and the messages she conveyed. That the painful circumstances behind her becoming who she was, does not make her exempt from the evils she did, but instead pains you realizing how much suffering and anger is spread around because of the hate that was given. Also "How many of us are still just that, children trying to seek acceptance?" pretty much made me wanna cry because it's so true! If you like the exploration of human darkness/the shadow self, I second the comment you would really like the Dark Knight job quests!!
Did you notice how many spider lillies she used during the fight? The flower that only blooms in darkness... such a good touch. Her weapons feature crescent moons and spider lillies as well. Her character bloomed into a fierce and bitter monstrosity through darkness.
This is a wonderful video! I think to me the most amazing thing about her story is isn't about some immortal being or some blood thirsty monster. She's a real girl. Somewhere, many many women have lived her life in some way. She so very human, and she's a woman. I haven't been through a fraction of things she has, but I've experienced similar things as a woman. It can rip you apart, the human mind is already so fragile and so strong, Yotsuyu is literally just a girl who was never given a chance until Gosetsu... Shadowbringers brings out the existential pain of loss, and Stormblood pays attention to real human pain, the kind of pain where innocence is taken by war and you're faced with something more realistic. AHHH I love FF14 so much ;-;
Oh if you are impacted with Yotsuyu, you will be traumatized by Shadowbringers :p
My body is ready, only a few hours in and its already gone straight savage :O
@@FinalFantasyPeasant watch out for ninjas cutting onions
This man speaks truth. Everybody cries in shadowbringers lol
@@jinthemedic8648 nah fam ShB have onion ninjas committing seppuku left and right
@@FinalFantasyPeasant If I may make one recommendation: If you choose to make a similar video about the Shadowbringers villain, please read the side story Through His Eyes on the lodestone. It gives extra perspective about him and his abilities. Actually, read it anyway after you've finished the base 5.0 MSQ. The Tales From the Shadow series are all very well done!
I love the stormblood story. You can feel the oppression throughout the journey. You can feel the broken spirits of the people under Garlean rule.
When you finish Shadowbringers, I'd love a similar video to this looking at some of its characters. There is a lot of depth in that expansion.
It's going to happen, only through meeting Alisae and Alphinaud and already I'm super brain stimulated :D
While I enjoyed pretty much all of Yotsuyu's story and remember most of it along with see her change into a better person and being finally at peace, Fordola's story is somewhat more forgettable in the "woe is me" sort of thing, her life being nowhere NEAR as bad as Yotsuyu's. That being said, seeing Fordola get mindcrushed by us when she tried to look into our memories and basically saying she would of killed herself if she was in our place was great. It literally took her looking into our heads to go "yep ok, my life really doesn't suck that much."
My feelings exactly tbh
Yeah Yotsuyu/Gogetsu storyline is probably to date my favorite story in this game and I was already floored with HW content. I mean for one Gogetsu whom when he first appeared I found him to be rather annoying. (the loud over the top characters typically do annoy me). My introduction to Yotsuyu I found her to be an amazingly well done villain I really despised her from the start. But by the building collapse I felt a tinge of pity for Yotsuyu, realizing she spent her whole life mistreated by anyone and everyone she encountered. You begin to see and understand why she is so cruel and hateful, and I was crying at Gogetsu's supposed death how they made me care for this guy I initially found annoying. Then later Tsuyu and Gogetsu returns... and you get to see, the nature vs nurture. You get to see how Yotsuyu would be if her whole life hadn't been filled with abuse and torment. She wasn't inherently evil. Those around her made her as she was. It hurt the whole time as I knew I just knew that it wasn't going to go well long term. When she got back her memories and realized what she did, but then realized even still Gogetsu cared for her she felt she didn't deserve it and was going to take her own life, that hurt so much. I felt so much satisfaction WITH her when she killed her parents but was so crushed that she fell back to that madness within her and the pure anger I had for her horrible step brother. The primal fight was one of the best ones in the game for me so far. Then the end.. when she got satisfaction of killing her brother and finally peace.. unfortunately in death, but I knew I was going to break down when Gogetsu learned of it.. it was so heartbreaking, he had come to love her as a Daughter and he lost her again. Truly one of the best story arcs in a game.
Ahhh... My Tsuyu... My little Moon-Flower, how I miss you.
She didn't deserve her fate
Everyone over here talkin about 5.3 hurtin amd I'm still fkd up over Haruchefaunt
I'm glad that Pez likes Stormblood. Its refreshing to see someone not complain about the expansion. I love Stormblood and I'm glad you made this video, thanks Pez.
Something I found interesting is that Hien readily forgives the guy (idr his name at the moment but) who had something to do with Yotsuyu getting sold (I think he worked at the brothel?) because "I know the _______ of the present and he's a good man,". I am not justifying Yotsuyu's actions by any means, but because Hien sees her actions and actively fights against them he's more resistant to the idea of forgiving her, even when she couldn't remember.
For me, seeing him more or less ignore that this guy (god I wish I remembered his name but you meet him during the Tsuyu parts in Yanxia where he freaks out seeing her iirc) that was one part of turning Yotsuyu into the monster she became, made me dislike him a lot. He's a flawed character which is good, but this particular thing really didn't sit right with me since I really came to love Yotsuyu.
He's ready to forgive Yotsuyu but he's in no position to forgive her cos if he did, it won't sate the domans who has suffered under her rule.
Yeah same. When I learned this was the guy that basically enslaved her as a prostitute.. I just couldn't I wanted to cut the guy down right then and there. Hien acting like "he is a good man now" What?! I was NOT happy he spared him. Look women that get into the sex industry by choice and do it because they want to I'm fine with it, but selling someone off like property... she had no choice, every guy that paid for her services basically raped her and this guy profited off of it.
Anyone notice how ff14 did what TLOU2 try to do but in a better manner in every expect?
i havnt got to shadowbringers yet but yotsuyu so far is my favorite character in this game
SAME! I posted a tribute to her on my channel. She's so tragic - such parallell with the recent JOKER movie
Has he done the DRK job quest? I feel like he would make a great video on it.
Well if i were yotsuyu, ill do the same thing like she did, not gonna lie. At least i die satisfied. The sad thing about it is that I'm gonna leave gosetsu behind... and wondering whether he likes the fruit or not
Yotsuyu, to me, is the better villain of Stormblood (4.0-4.3) precisely because you get to learn why she's so twisted, rather than only being presented with the final result, as with Zenos. If you pay any attention at all to her story, you come to understand and even empathize with her; you never forgive her, exactly, but I was willing to let her live out her days as Tsuyu had that option ultimately not been removed. In those final moments, as she lay dying, twisting the blades into her genuinely evil brother (and I say that knowing full well that genuine evil is a logical fallacy), I was conflicted; it was sad that she didn't get to have that life as Tsuyu, but I wondered whether she was too far gone for it to have ever lasted.
Gaius is a patriot. It's his defining trait. Whether he's commanding a legion and building a weapon to subjugate his Emperor's enemies, or going rogue to root out evil machinations within the empire, everything he does is in service to Garlemald - a better Garlemald. For this reason, he would set aside grudges and work with the WoL, whom he now understands is really only interested in bettering the world; he realizes that he himself was an obstacle to that end, and has since changed his paradigm to tangentially assist with that objective rather than subvert it out of spite.
I was as happy to see Gaius had survived the Praetorium as I was to see Gosetsu fishing on that desert isle, just for different reasons.
I agree mostly, but people aren't just entirely made from nurture. We are both nature and nurture. Our environment shapes us, but so do we and the choices we make. Yotsuyu's story is sad, and she is certainly a victim of many atrocities, but she was given a clean slate and a choice, and she chose to remain her shadow self. In the end she chose that dark persona over her goodness. Same with Fordola. Her past is tragic, but she chose to hunt and kill her own people for the very empire that created the situation in the first place that took her father; as opposed to a similar story with Lyse losing her family, but Lyse chose to fight the empire. They all had choices despite their past and how it shaped them, they all had choices to choose a different path, and what they all chose was their true self in the end. That's how I interpreted it.
Love this break down of Tsuyu. Its why shes a compelling and dynamic character. It makes you the player question yourself of "Am I doing the right thing?." When we saw her backround I couldn't help but remorse over her and hearing the line of her eyes being compared to a doll its heartbreaking. In her final moment's of peace i still always want to or will cry just at the idea of what if she had a dofferent upbringing.
I cried so much watching this video... you made me realize how a person could be read by society and how the pain could turn us e break us apart. She deserved better 😢😢
Oh bud. ShB is gonna smack you upside the face with feels. Get a box of tissues handy. Its the best FF game in my and alot of other peoples opinion..
I feel so bad because I really tried following the story I read every single dialogue, but I didn't understand any of it 😑
Loved it! Can't wait to hear what you think of characters yet to come! 😉
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
your analysis of final fantasy characters from a jungian perspective is very much appreciated
The result of playing both Final Fantasy and Persona?
Honestly, I hated Stormblood up to the point of Fordola's and Yotsuyu's stories.
Lyse is an incompetent dumbass, without any shred of leadership skills, yet she is made into the symbol of the rebellion and uses the WoL as a personal attack dog. The rest of the Scions don't even object to that at all.
The incompetence of the alliance is shown from even before the expansion. The alliance heads have become a blabbering bunch of politicians who weren't sure whether to act or not until a terrorist had to cause a new Umbral Calamity. The whole war wasn't even their decision and yet they take the glory. And ofcourse the WoL is yet again treated as a targeted weapon of mass destruction. His/Her recognition? A pat on the back and a new suicide mission, because why not?
Who acknowledges the WoL? Fordola, who takes a peek at his/her life and is left stunned at how the WoL is able to continue doing what he/she does despite all the crap he/she is forced to suffer. Dark Knight's quest story in the expansion paints a really good picture of what the WoL's thoughts are imo. The line "I tire of this charade" is just the perfect description.
Yotsuyu's story imo is the peak of the expansion. Just a simple story of a person becoming cruel because cruelty is the only thing they experienced. A person who tasted a better life but was not meant to live it. Also one more failure on the WoL's conscience, since they failed to save someone who desperately needed a rescue. At least that's how I interpret it.
At least in Shadowbringers the WoL finally gets the recognition they deserve and find the support they desperately needed.
I feel sad for her. Her nature wasnt inherently evil. WoL and co failed to extend a hand towards a victim of abuse, at her most vulnerable state, and show her that her world doesnt have to be all about hate and suffering. Its just the typical cicle of hatred, she recieved hate and suffering, so she retaliated that to those who she thinks are responsible, and then the hate we recieved we retaliated back to her. Its sad when someone who lived a life of misery dies without experiencing joy.
Tsuyu deserved a kinder fate but Yotsuyu did not. Can you really judge character in a vacuum? Yotsuyu list of crimes is long and sordid. She is still responsible for her actions. I believe that we are the sum of our experiences, good or bad, and while Tsuyu was innocent, Yotsuyu was the truest expression of what that person was. The hand she was dealt was unbelievably harsh, but choices where made. In the end, I believe her death as a primal was a bit of a mercy since she 'escaped' judgement.
Reminds me of Zenos, who is a extraordinarily gifted individual (like the WoL) but was raised in a cutthroat militaristic society with no family support, no wonder he's a psycho: lack of purpose and challenges coupled with isolation will drive anyone to madness.
Children are not born good, but they are born naive.
I got more invested in Yotsuyu's story in the patches than anything preceding or following it for some reason. I cried so hard when she died and I never cry at video games. She's a very special character to me and I still think about her a lot.
I don't blame yotsuyu for anything
"Oh she killed and tortured all these innocent people!"
- yeah sure the same "innocent people" that sold her to a noble man and then a pleasure house
She was karma personified to the people of doma and the literal embodiment of the phrase
"A child denied the love of a village will burn it down to feel it's warmth"
Tsuyu deserved a better fate
THIS! This is the reason I wanted you to play. Videos like this, I’ve been waiting for this kind of content for so long pez! Exctited to see more when you get through shadowbringers and can dive deep into that, cause OMG it’s so good.
4.3 Under The Moonlight is for my Point of View the Ultimate Highlight of the Story of FFXIV and I am at 5.3 now. Shadowbringers is a Strong Expansion with a lot of Amazing Highlights, none of them Hit me the same Deep Way 4.3 did.
Great vid Pez. Keep that theme of empathy in the back of your mind going in to Shadowbringers. FFXIV has this approach to its storytelling all throughout, where the themes of good and evil/light and dark aren't very clear cut/simple and clean. Villains are no longer the Kefka-esque "evil" baddies with one dimensional goals. You start to question your own motives and methods when you look at things from their point of view and make you actually wonder whether you would do the same if put in similar positions.
As Shakespeare once wrote, "Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so." You're in for a much wilder ride in Shadowbringers if Yotsuyu took you for a spin.
Both Yotsuyu and Fordola’s arcs hit he really hard
Stormblood isn't my favorite expansion story-wise, but I do like the characters. From Tsuyu's surprisingly tragic psychology to Magnai's brutish behavior being steeped in tradition and just being a lonely Au Ra boy.
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At the end of the day what makes someone 'evil' or a villain are their actions. Having a broken childhood backstory doesn't redeem a villain, because what they chose to do with their pain was to run away from it by committing evil deeds. Heroes can have very dark back stories, but they made different choices in their lives. Don't be a villain, go to therapy :D
I mean that sounds good in theory and yes I agree it doesn't justify action. But it does make it conceptually understandable. After all every human has their weaknesses, they have their breaking points and not everyone has the capacity to deal with the dark they are thrown. I've come through about as terrible a childhood as it gets with my head still (mostly) on my shoulders lol. But I still wouldn't claim that nothing exists that couldn't push me over the edge
I was looking for a discussion about TsuyUwU right after the ending of her story 2 days ago, and this was absolutely perfect. Conversations like these are my favorite kind to have.
Edit: Goddammit you spoiled Gaias' identity. Damn, oh well I'm still hyped to play it and find out how he's killed so many Ascians.
This video was well needed 👑 also I see were you're at in the story loll
Yostsuyu was best girl and she deserved better now the only thing is to wait for her hair to come out for Hyurs and cosplay here in doma castle runs
After tsuyu I felt more sympathy/empathy for my anemies began questioning more.. Hell when I chatted with Zenos the chat revealed that he did have desires outside of fight and was lonely but knew better than to trust anyone.. It felt like a small weird victory more than any battle when he referred to me as his one true friend all because I admitted to him I wouldve happily sat with him if things were different.. But as we all know things weren't different and he knew it too well there was no chance of it ever being different for him...
I love the song, because the female japanese vocalist represents her as a Doman woman, and the english male vocalist represents the Garleans
DEFINITELY want to see you go through Shadowbringers!
Sephiroth is a good example of a bad day taking one good sane man into darkness and insanity quite very tragic as well.
Thats why I love the potential of the Remake shining new light on that side of Sephiroth. There is a caring human in their somewhere, it just has to 'destine' its way back XD
@@FinalFantasyPeasant Indeed and tbh wu i dun wanna loose our boi Seph i hope there is a way to save him from his darkness,cus it's just sad seeing him like that.
This is going to sound completely out of the left field, but as someone who pays that much attention to the story and characters I feel that you'd really love Umineko no Naku koro ni.
It's a visual novel that, according to many is on par with quality of a novel classic. It explores some of the same themes that Yotsuyu represents in even more depth and without spoiling anything takes a really profound look at the mental state and journey of people who have had to grow up like Yotsuyu did.
Darkness always exists and your own shadow will as well.
This is a core concept of jungian psychology. Recognizing your own shadow and assimilating it instead of being assimilated by it is the way of personal growth.
A good villain is something that can elevate a story to another level. A clash of ideals is great but having her become a villain by suffering from issues that aren't unfamiliar to our own world...
Was her fate really this set in stone, or did she just lose against the cruelty of the world and accepted the fate that the world tried to force upon her?
FFXIV's writing is so good. I hope many more people can enjoy it, now that the base game got adjusted to be more friendly to newcomers.
Also, I'm curious about your reactions to Shadowbringers! I hope it will inspire another video like this!
"She dominates the screen time..."
Me:"Among other things."
The history of trauma + memory loss sort of makes me think of her having some sort of dissociation disorder. The split self, which becomes more evident by her summon behind half light half dark.
Yotsuyu’s storyline single handedly made me take a 2-month-break from story-heavy games, my god did I love her arc.
If you think Yotsuyu is poignant
Boy are you gonna have a field day with Emet Selch
Suicide by Warrior of Light.
Once she came to, she knew she would never escape the exploitation she faced her entire life. She used the people who used her to get revenge. I bawled my fuckin' eyes out ;-;
Yeah get rid of your assumptions about MMORPG stories, this is easily the best FF story since FFX or FFVII. Sadly, most of the cutscenes are unvoiced and the game can look cheap when you see NPCs mime in a cutscene while you read dialogue boxes, but the actual story of FFXIV is legit, especially after ARR.
Yotsuyu resonates with me because I grew up in an abusive household (albeit I wasn't sold off to a brothel). I was, and still am, emotionally and psychologically abused by my parents.
There are side stories about yotsuyu and gosetsu on lodestone. Hope you have read them as well
Ohhhhh you innocent man, just wait till Shadowbringers. You haven’t seen anything yet.
honestly the Tsukuyomi part was the best part of 4.0
What a tragic tale this was... made me cry so badly when I played it. It touched me personally because I had an accident a few years ago where I almost died from head trauma.
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I Love her story arc in stormblood
@Joe Schmoe and Estinien is exactly the same too, literally one-note to the core. He only has a fanbase cuz of husbando bait.
MADE ME QUESTION LIFE AS WELL, I LOTHED HER, THEN.....THEN......T_T
Best villain, her boss fight made me depressed for a day.
Was very sad when she died honestly
FF XIV does an absolutely brilliant job of defining their villains. With only really two exceptions (Asahi and Valens), none of the villains are just moustache-twirling evil. There is always a reason, something that made them how they are. Now, that doesn't excuse them, but you can see why. And Yotsuyu's story was the best at this. We saw the monster she became, and could not deny that she was a monster. But we also saw the events that pushed her there. And Tsuyu made it worse. We saw the same woman, and what she *could* have been, had life treated her differently. That is what made the story brilliantly tragic. "Tsuyu deserved a better fate." indeed.
So almost all of the non Othard Primals have themes with lyrics in English. All of the Hingan ones have Japanese lyrics (if they do). But Tsukuyomi's theme is bilingual, expressing the voices of Garlemald and Hingashi/Doma pulling on her from either side. citation: the liner notes to the stormblood ost's
I am very conflicted about you playing this. Not because i don't want to see it, but more in excitement for seeing your reactions (not the way over the top ones). I just started watching this and i missed ARR and Heavensward. So i don't know if i should watch in order or skip to the best parts so far in Shadowbringers!
UGH! the choices....
Final Fantasy 14 is just fucking awesome
I'm glad to hear some good things about Stormblood. I've heard some pretty negative things about it by the time I finally got around to resuming the story. While I still rank it under Heavensward and Shadowbringers, I attribute it to the strengths of HW and SHB rather than the failings of SB. To hear some actual appreciation about it is pretty refreshing.