For me personally, Elden Ring is at its best when ur doing some “tryhard” 2v2s in some cool legacy dungeon. When everyone participating is somewhat knowledgeable and trying their very best to win.
100% 2v2 legacy gauntlets are the heart of the game's non-modded pvp, it's a shame it's also the ONLY part of the game that's really actually fun and functioning as it should without mods.
I have no idea what to tell anyone who's considering invading. If you don't have that bug, that curiosity, if you don't wonder what it's like to hit other people with something the same way you hit a boss, I think you're missing the core lust of what compels someone to invade. You can also invade seamless and walk in with full heals, a rune arc and not looking like a tampon (so 4 talis doing build work). It legit scares the hell out of some players because they've essentially been invaded by a boss. If you think some people run away in vanilla when they're alone, you will see how much more this happen on horseback (yes, it's awful). Also: a seamless twink is so stupidly dangerous that it actually dawned on me that Fromsoft did, in fact, make adjustments with the nature of this player in mind. There are no big boi phantoms in seamless, it really is some friends progressing at around the same level. So when a twink with a rune arc invades them at rl30... lol, yeah. It's actually incredible how wildly ER can swing in its balance. I suppose that's what happens when they aim to include everything, from a small regular axe to anime katanas and laser beams.
Always good to switch up once in a while, that helps me whenever I'm feeling burned out. Sometimes I take breaks from the genre entirely and play a different kind of game for a while and then when I come back, things feel more fresh.
In my opinion it's time to leave. I always bought fromsoft titles for pvp and never ever have I been truly satisfied. Always some issue never a truly flawless experience. You may ask why I bought the game for the pvp only? Because if I need an offline experience I can very well download a Pirated copy, finish the game once maybe twice and be done with it. Now fromsoft is a mainstream company so not even the excuse of the small studio works for making me think about buying it any longer. They don't deserve my money or frankly time since they have no intention of making a enjoyable pvp experience.
I was giggling like Goofy during the whole thing lol @@emotionaljonxvx In all seriousness though, PvP can be enjoyed pretty easily if people just left their ego at the doorstep when logging into the game. I'll always defend that Level 30 invasions are an AMAZING way to learn PvP, both dueling and invading, because you have a lot of room for mistakes. Plus you feel like a cool raid boss intead or a rag doll for the host and his buddies to fuck around with. People should really give low level invasions a chance.
@@OnlyWaifuYTIf people just left their egos at the doorstep? More like if fromsoft just fixed it's shitty netcode. It's an actual joke that it's literally impossible to get a perfect pvp connection on PC meanwhile it is possible on console. Stop defending fromsofts shit pvp and maybe they'll actually fix it
No matter how bad you think you are, most of invading is a knowledge check. Like, can you min/max a build? You can’t parry a 2h colossal. Do not mash out of hitstun. With latency and frame traps, there are just some things no invader can walk away from, regardless how skilled. Most RUclips invaders aren’t out here posting all their L’s, so don’t get the wrong idea. The design of invasions suggests we are meant to lose more often than we win. Even Bernahl tells you this. “The only thing that awaits you is a miserable death.” Do it anyway, you might be surprised how it feels to win against overwhelming odds, to be feared, even! I found it surprisingly difficult to remain calm and set the pace of the invasion when I first started invading but I’m all the better for it. Thanks Jon, for another video. Hopefully I’ll be seeing you and other viewers soon for another arena night with the new RL138 spellblade I’ve spent weeks buildcrafting!
I know that it’d be really unpopular but I kinda wish more popular PvP RUclipsrs posted videos of their loses and explained where they messed up or what happened. Would probably help dispel some of the negative thoughts I get after getting whooped ten times in a row lol
Also, do you have any advice on staying calm? It’s a bit embarrassing to admit but man, I find my heart rate getting very fast and the other day I didn’t realize until I died that Id been literally holding my breath and er, actually sweating. Again, embarrassing. I think I’d be doing a lot better if I wasn’t literally on the edge of my seat the whole time.
@@nickoliekeyov746 Watching streams helps, specifically like Chasethebro because in his videos he only shows wins. (he gets a lot of them anyway). it’s fun to watch narratively because I always wonder how he’s gonna do it, but obviously the stream shows a more balanced picture. I do appreciate Lost for being very balanced in his videos, I never know if he’s going to win.
Saintriot is also a really good one to watch to learn. He sticks to slightly lesscomplex strategies and only uses stuff he actually farmed. his streams especially show a really realistic view of how invading goes for even long time players. Also he’s pretty funny
@@nickoliekeyov746 oh man, I just saw this. To me, the adrenaline is half of the enjoyment! (It’s also a barrier to entry.) I don’t mind getting sweaty over a virtual fight for my life. You probably do want a fan in your room, pointed at your hands though. It does get easier as you get used to it with more practice. Some tips I have are: 1) When ((invading another world)) appears on your screen, take a deep breath, hold it and then do slow, controlled breathing when you spawn. 2) When you do spawn, if it’s not on top of the host party, gather your surroundings. Find where they are on the compass and don’t drink your physick/buff until they can see you. You might need to use a phantom finger or shackle for flame traps. 3) When they do see you, if they don’t immediately rush you, that means you are in control of the invasion. They are afraid of you. They might have an ambush ready, but you are a cancer in their world and you have no obligation to engage them on their terms. Take a walk, turn your back to them, lead them to a trap or a narrow corridor where they can’t flank you easily. Try and separate them for a 1v1. If they don’t want to follow you, use bone bow or night maidens mist on them. Take sniper shots with a hand ballista. Get them to waste flasks. It’s your game to lose until it isn’t! Edit: most of all have fun, it’s a game after all!
I love invading - I started off hating invaders in OG Demon's Souls (thank you Scraping Spear), then became a Forest Ganker in DS1 (full giants, DMB on a DGM, lost more than I won, what's a toggle escape anyway?) but messed around with the blue covenant to get DMB, which led me to a new playthrough where I got to 4 Kings as fast as possible, and then started invading. Fell in love with it. Been invading ever since. I love it. That being said, Elden Ring can be the most brutal, unfun game when you invade. It's pretty disheartening to get 8 or 9 or 16 invasions in a row where it's nothing but Kevins and Babysitter Billys pelting you with magic and everything else under the sun and your fun little theme RP build using off-meta or in general "fun" setups gets cremated alive by the worst blender imaginable. Absolutely wretched. 0/10, I hate this game. "Oh, just one more invasion then I'm done." Then... you get the one invasion. Everything falls into place. Babysitter Bobby let down his guard and lets himself get hit and roll-caught repeatedly and you get a sick psuedo-combo kill on his behind, and then Kevin is a sitting duck. Or perhaps you manage to do the world's nastiest turn and burn with a crappy hawk sword r2 into blood slash and take all three goobers out. You get that win. 10/10 game. It's all worth it. This all to say that I feel you big time, and while sometimes Elden Ring makes me want to tear my hair out, and my skill level has hit a rather low personal ceiling, I just can't stop.
I literally just started multiplayer after two years. I noticed immediately my cosplay that i like to run doesnt meet any of the poise break points requirements - thus i got blendered my first few invasions. I found out quick i have to space mindfully, and be super careful about when i choose to close in and strike.. i usually get massacred anyway. Im not exactly wearing light armor either, and i find it frustrating that i cant hold up against meta of Solitude sets and Bullgoat talismans. Guess i either submit to the meta armor and tactics, or Git Gud on my own terms
@@tylerwastripped1590 Find yourself a weapon that always poise breaks. Unfortunately dual daggers are not an invasion meta. You take poise damage during phantom hits so having a lot of it is not as impactful as it would be in the coliseum.
You only really need 89 poise, that can be reached with a myriad of combinations. Even before the DLC I ran Iron Kasa + Blackflame monk armor with heavy duty legs and gauntlets. Those 2 slots (helm and chest) make up 95% of your look especially if the chest drapes down to your knees or even lower so sacrifice the other two slots and you'll be both optimal AND dripped out
Alright, more than fair take, Jo. I'ma keep it a buck, as a mediocre invader who loses close to 90% of invasions whenever I try to bring something seriously off-meta on the table, I recently began to stop drowning the harsh and stinging impression that, compared to dark souls 3, you absolutely need a cheap win condition in your build to even think of taking on multiple opponents as one, let alone experienced players. I'll give the tl;dr now: the difference between a build that uses strong weapons/spells/armor and one that doesn't is absurdly huge. I strongly feel that I'm never encouraged to spend time 'gitting gud' with what I like and making my build work, rather than completely changing or adjusting the tools at my disposal instead. It feels like my creativity is being punished, and punished by people who've looked up your average RUclipsr's tier list and chose the most meta stuff in there- stuff that works better the more you turn your brain off. It feels like the design is scorning at me, mocking me, for choosing something different than the 20 pieces of equipment out of 1000+ that everyone uses. The longer rant is that, compared to my cosplays and OCs in ds3, I rarely even think about what I could've done better after inevitably losing anymore. When you're dedicating one or two talisman slots for roleplaying reasons, using very inefficient armor and playing with a weapon you don't have an upper hand with no matter how many hours you pour into it, it becomes hard to argue that "gitting gud" is even possible without sacrificing part of the essence of what you were trying to git gud in the first place. When you're almost naked with only a short sword with the kick weapon art, facing two moonveils and whatever colossal, there is simply nothing you can do. Even in the rare times I know I played well, and I spaced a hit perfectly and rolled out of the others' punishes… all of that for 350 damage. But, one bad trade and you're almost dead, three more and you have no more heals. What happens if you change that ash of war into lightning strike and spam that whenever the host and phantoms are fighting PvE? All of a sudden you're 10× more impactful. That's just how it works, and I find it really limiting because yes, you can have "your style" just like you said, but every "style" tends to gravitate towards the same items, killing originality. I probably shouldn't say it's _impossible_ to make what I like work, I'm just saying that the amount of effort to put into it compared to just giving up and picking up a great katana is disencouraging, and it's killing my enjoyment for the game. Back in dark souls 3, you could make Arstor's spear work. Anri's straight sword was okay even against a full Lapp with splitleaf, just in virtue of being a straight sword. But here, if you like the iron spear you'd better have two and power stance them if you want to have any chance at doing anything. Literally almost twice the damage and better poise damage. Better range, too, it feels like. It's dumb. Recently, Jeenine has posted a video where he "tries to make colossals work". Colossals are a slightly underwhelming weapon class, and there's far worse. Even then, when you look at the video, what does an experienced player such as him do to consistently win? Use storm stomp. Trade. Switch to a Miséricorde. Switch to a halberd. I've never seen him struggle more than when he went up against the two players in farum azula, and forgive me but I don't think he simply had to "git gud" there.
The power disparity in the game between what is viable and what is optimal is pretty significant, no lie there. It's hard to get a personal style through when it can sit so far below the meta competition and that's a problem with the game overall. For me, as showcased in the video, I like to play at lower levels with builds that aren't all that meta. Dual straight swords is obviously a pretty solid option but the build is otherwise terrible. It's level 20 with +5/+2 weapons and only has healing upgrades from Limgrave (4 uses at +4 I think). Fighting hosts who don't have gear muled to them or aren't being escorted through by a downscaled phantom is some of the most fun I've had in this game and its the same sort of build I've made in Dark Souls 3. Not that its going to be for everyone but it helped me a lot to get away from the meta space and try invading in a more casual capacity. Actually fighting two friends trying to get to a boss while I try to manage my extra limited resources. Could also go the full twink route and just get geared up at the lowest level you can manage. It gets a bad rep but it can be a lot of fun for cosplay builds and just messing around.
@@sunlight941 I hear you with RP being weak, here’s my cope: make your RP around the stuff you naturally gravitate to winning with. Thunderbolt ash of war you say? What about a lightning thief? Death knight? Dragonborn? Igon with lightning harpoons? (Spears) I could go on. Poise is kinda pointless when you’re dealing with multiple opponents IMO because you’re always taking poise damage even through phantom hits. I always pick armor that nets me at least 51 for the PVE and I call it good. It lets me have decent armor variety for fashion which is why I’m still here.
@emotionaljonxvx Thank you kindly for your reply. I edited my original post to add a few examples for the sake of clarity. Yes, twinking is an option and so is straying further from 125/150. Nevertheless, I don't want to admit I'm in the wrong for choosing what I think would feel fair and fun for the receiving party AS WELL as for me. I could definitely bring my Nymph of Rot character to level 20 and spank some new players in Stormveil with rot and poison. Will I ever? Hardly. Once again, the issue is the same: why am I being hindered from playing the way I want to without being overly gimped/penalized, so much that I feel strongly compelled to gravitate towards stronger stuff? One could argue that my purpose shouldn't be to win every invasion, but here I am winning one in eight or so. I don't think I'm being overly pretentious. But yeah sure if I'm invading my friends there's no problem, I know what they like and dislike and I'm sure I won't find myself getting spammed with bone bow tracking sleep arrows. And lastly, I don't agree with your point regarding you using "not all that meta" stuff. Dual ss + sacred blade is pretty darn good, and so is a full metal armor set. Try using a one-handed straight sword next time, maybe with the ss stance wa, and let me know if you feel any noticeable difference.
@@TheAzul_Indigo Reposting this because RUclips is not helping me with the reply function Thank you, too, for the feedback. I'll say that's good copium. I'm just a bit tired of always putting the default scythe somewhere in my build, and I'm childish enough to refuse not to pursue my idea of making my opponents wonder just what kinda weapons and armor I was using, 'cause they've never seen it before. If I ended up using the same meta stuff, even if under the façade of "roleplay", I wouldn't feel that good of myself. At this point why not cosplay a "tryhard bad red man" and use dual nagis, halberd + handaxe, cleanrot and quickstep and whatnot? It's roleplaying!
@@sunlight941 Hey, You’re welcome, and thank you! Scythes are good and uncommon! My 168 build mains winged scythe. It’s always somebody’s first time seeing something. Also, no reason you can’t put thunderbolt on a shirtless axe/offhand hand axe build and call yourself the “tree cleaver” Lmao
Jon, I think you need to you need to make a clear distinction about invasions. Invasions are not PvP. Invasions are PvPvE. You need the PvE part for invasions to work, or it would just be 1vX in the arena. So your interest is not in PvP, but in PvPvE. Unfortunately, every game I've ever played with PvPvE eventually goes either full PvE, or dies, mostly because the PvE people don't like the PvP part, and as mentioned previously, the PvE Part is necessary for PvPvE. And while I understand your argument, ultimately I think enjoying the PvP part of PvPvE is a matter of taste. It doesn't matter how much you try to justify why someone should enjoy something, it's something personal that each individual needs to decide for themselves. Not sure what sort of food or drink you enjoy or dislike, but think of it as something like that. No amount of justification or "just try it bro" or "git gud" will convince you that a particular food or drink you dislike is actually enjoyable.
@@TheAzul_Indigo And this is why many of Elden Ring's invasions are dogshit. Areas with no relevant PvE turns something that should be PvPvE into 1v3 PvP.
Yeah, my arguments and suggestions are entirely subjective. That's sort of the point of the channel. I'm not trying to demand everyone acknowledge that I'm right or anything, just highlight another viewpoint and hopefully give people some perspective. I totally understand people just aren't going to want to engage with the system but I'm still gonna recommend it. I disliked the system for years and grew to love it over time, so I'm sure there's at least a few people who could follow that path. As far as clarifying PvP vs PvPvE, I don't really find the E part all that essential to what I'm looking for, but I do like when it adds to the mix. There's a lot of room for discussion about where exactly lines could be drawn with which elements mesh well in PVP and which don't, though that's a little beyond the scope of this video. Thanks for the comment!
Frankly most of the PVE in elden ring is nothing but a bird, dog, or imp IF it's an actual organic(non-gank) invasion. npc enemies are seldom involved & when they are they are involved they're largely ineffective. you hardly ever come across a banished knight or an actual enemy that can serve as an effective partner/distraction. 95% of invasions are simply a 1v2/3
As PvE only player player that just watches PvP content of this game, the biggest thing keeping me away from it is due to what I enjoy in pvp games (dota2 enthusiast here) - the sense of progression of getting gud - the issue here being what it implies & how it looks. To be frank, it looks unappealing to me. The skills needed for one to master are exactly those you touched on briefly, involving weird things that don't even feel like a natural part of the time but rather low-key breaking the game's supposed limits . Like, when you look at certain heroes in dota or champions in LoL (not that I wanna praise this game, I've long quit it...), that have a higher skill cap, you can tell that from their ability design & synergies (Invoker or Azir) - some moves & strats feel designed for high level players to pull off. It's hard, but there is clarity in the goalpost. Therefore it looks more & more intense the higher the level, culminating in pro-play. Meanwhile when I watch great pvpers in Elden Ring, I remember initially thinking they're doing some exploit showcase or something, like "why is this dude spending 1/3 of the fight in his menu?", coupled with other things. That being said, you make some good points. Like, if there are chances for a good time even w/o some of the weird skills u need to master, and can compensate via other things worth learning to still give a sense of "git gut" progression that feel more... intended? Natural? Things like decent builds w/o hard swaps, just some good spacing w/o spinning around constantly, making good use of your buffs till they expire, or taking some good positions, high ground or low ground whenever its suitable and having some decent knowledge on how to play your character, the range/reach of weaps/spells/AoWs, I guess it's not so bad. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I never engaged with the multiplayer of this game - I just treat it like a single player RPG - tho' one where I'm still curious how the pvp looks like, from the sidelines xD).
Invaders used to be terrifying. I was once invaded by a player in the depths and it was one the most paranoia inducing experiences I ever had with DS1. Invaders in Elden Ring have been turned into a joke. They are now just something for gankers to farm. Something that can easily stun lock, rush, and easily overwhelm a invader. This is because Elden Ring's PvP design hinges on the host actually progressing the level, and not just sitting at a site for grace waiting for an invader to appear. This would be forgivable, but fromsoft has had 10 years worth of broken Dark Souls PvP to learn from. So it's kinda bizarre how they've still not done something to stop password summons from being used to gank invaders, item dropping, item duping, and removing the need for the host to actually engage with the game because the phantom can just kill the entire level by themselves. I wish when host's password summoned a phantom, the host cannot change the password. So they can't just password summon a powerful phantom and then turn off the password to gank invaders. Or that phantoms could not drop items. I know it would suck to remove trading, but the benefits of preventing most twinks from ruining the PvP outweighs the loss.
Love how active your community is man another good video I'm doing my video on the pvp video to add my voice in a few videos. Wish I could pump mine out faster.
Lemme tell ya, doing weekly content on this stuff can be challenging. It eats up at least half my week between scripting and making everything. Can’t imagine people doing it daily who aren’t doing reacts or cutting up livestream footage. But the content must flow!
@emotionaljonxvx tell me about it I can usually knock out a script in 4 to 8 hours then 2 hours for vo lol so it has been a pain plus I keep getting more ideas for videos the more I do this lol.
You know all those fancy, flashy weapons? Throw them out. Be aggressive with simple weapons. Like Mike Tyson said one time. "Everyone has a plan until they're punched in the face". People panic most of the time when you're aggressive!
Well said my friend. Lets all stay positive and actively find our fun. Immediately after every death/loss I say to myself what mistake I made and or what I should have done instead. This helps me GIT GUD. So I welcome death. GG skeletons.
I did this for the better part of 2 years but I got carried away and started overanalyzing every little thing in my mad quest to get better at the game, and then most things in the game became a potential headache or hassle for me instead of just being fun.
I got tired after making too many builds, I love variety and experimenting with the huge amount of gear and spells etc., but it just takes me way too long to get a build off the ground anymore. That and none of the people I match with like to have fun it seems like.
Great video as always. I cant put a finger what keeps me from reengaging with this games pvp, multiple level brackets and all. Im probably too dumb and 'old' for it. I still enjoy watching most of the ER invasion content and i still hold out hope that those that do invade in ER get even a fraction of what they need to keep it thriving.
This is something I've been struggling with on a daily basis ever since I began invasions in the DLC. The issue for me is that it is just too much fun to make a level/area more difficult for an honest group of 3. FS has something SO special and unique with their PvP, it's hard not to sift thru dozens of invasions until I get a good one. That being said, I've been a FS dedicated meat rider and mostly PvEer for the last 2 years. And I have never been so mad and confused with the game as I am now. Some these hosts make me scream and revert to my 2009 MW2 Lobby Behavior. Some these Spawn points completely unhinge my mindset. The fact that a ton of enemies can hit you and do massive damage, the Fact the brought Seed of a Giant Tree back again with another 10 slot item. The more I think about the stuff that I lose too the more upset I get. I wish I didn't take it so personally but I do. It makes me long for halflight where the invader was scaled to the number of players entering the Church. It makes me miss having that Divine lightning spear that gave Poise because it was MY ONE THING that I had over them. I remember the joy of getting my first upgraded spear for 30 Host kills. We don't have anything like that to supplement Invasions in ER. And while its not outwardly noticeable to the casual player, it leaves players like me with a hollow feeling even when we do manage to pull off a 1v3. Thanks for the vid, I've been really appreciating your perspective and thoughts on these matters
My problem with pvp is zero motivation, like what do I get out of it? Rune arcs are useless And the pvp itself isn’t “fun” enough to play everyday thanks to the net code and complete lack of varied builds Every single fight is usually the same 6 player builds it’s boring as hell If from isn’t ganna update the pvp for the next game( Elden ring is a complete downgrade in that department) then just leave it out and make coop better.
Being a hunter is probably a good way to get into pvp in elden ring. Invader covenants was a gateway back in ds3 for me. It lets you continue doing your pve but with occasional pvp incursions to give things some variety. If you're lucky you'll even get to actually find and engage with the invader a bit, before they or the host dies. When invading, if you tire of losing, then either git gud or more realistically, you can try twinking at low level.
Taking summons as a hunter is just too irritating for me personally. It’s random so you might be in the middle of something, half the time you don’t even make it to the fight before the invader or host is killed, it’s just an inconvenience overall.
@@PoisonJarl71501 yes, this is correct. And as an invader I just tumble buff deathblight onto magma balde for ANY blue I see. I never deathblight phantoms or hosts. Only blues. Not only do they deserve it for assisting in ganks, but it's also fucking hilarious to watch them explode into a tree 🤣 🤣 🤣 it's just too bad they removed the infinite back stab. RIP
There was a moment in DS1 when I knew I was going to beat the game. For me that was big, I normally do not feel a need to finish any piece of media I lose interest in. I had walked away from DS1 at least twice before returning and finally beating Ornstein and Smough without summons. Not a point of pride, I had just long since lost my humanity. After that the game just felt different. The feeling of anxiety from losing all my souls or being invaded was gone. Because, I knew from that point forward I would respawn and keep making progress. To me, "Git gud," is just the same encouraging trash talk I use to hear in the Army. Throwing your guts up on the side of the road during a 6 mile run? Suck it up butter cup. What are you going to do? Quit? No, you're better than that. Don't you dare go hollow on me.
For the longest time, I have had the idea to create the most asymmetrical and cancerous PvP experience possible. The idea was to create a level 1 ultra-twinked out build. They would have both sorseals equipped to gain 40 virtual levels, Godricks Great Rune active for an additional 40 levels, and then be accompanied by two max level password summons. The name of this character: _Miyazaki's Vision_ I never made this character as I did not think I would get invaded much at RL 1 nor do I really enjoy hosting--That is. . . until invasions were dropped in Seamless Co-op. Here, Invaders can use Great Runes, and the invasions were added when items such as the Dragon Scale Flesh were put into the game. If you have Radagon's Sorseal (+20 levels), Marika's Sorseal (+20 levels), Godrick's Great Rune (+40 levels), and consume the Dragonscale Flesh (+32 levels), then you can use the Grafted Blade Greatsword's WA, Oath of Vengeance (+40 levels), all totaling for 152 additional levels at RL 1. Let me tell you: As someone who has previously only invaded at meta and high level, *low level invasions with this build are a treat.* I highly recommend everyone to try invading with this build in Seamless, especially if you are new to or struggle with invasions. With this setup, fights do not go one way or the other too quickly since everyone is low level, you can focus more on your fundamentals as the crazier AoWs and spells are not at anyone's disposal, and even 1v3s will feel somewhat balanced due to your bonus stats giving you the much needed health and defense to accommodate the numbers disadvantage. Please do yourself a favor and try it! :D
I’ve been trying to get into invading but I am absolutely trash at it. My build is a RL30 vagabond, all those points into vigor + radagon's soreseal. I wanted to main the Claymore but I just can’t get it to work for me. I may try the uchigatana out or maybe the dismounter, not sure. I have ADHD and it feels so hard sometimes to keep in mind that I need to manage my spacing, the environment, think about what equipment the host and summons are using, etc. 75% of my invasions end up just being me panic rolling and getting ganked by the host and their summons. It’s not even necessarily that they are using broken stuff all the time (although that does happen) but more so that it’s so damn difficult for me. The most successful I’ve been is when I’m very sneaky and tricky and set up some sort of elaborate trap but I feel like I only really get to pull that off maybe once every 30 invasions. I’ll keep trying but man is this punishing.
You may want to try doing some duels with a friend (if possible) or even going to a lower bracket with a much stronger build. If you invade at like level 10 +3/+1, barring downscaled summons, you can get a pretty substantial advantage. It's not exactly the most sporting invasion but if you're struggling to get the rhythm down, it can be helpful to try and tilt the odds as much as possible while still going up against multiple opponents. It's not the easiest thing to get down but it can be pretty rewarding when you get it right.
@@emotionaljonxvx yeah, right now i just post ds2 pvp for a bit or i upload some childhood games i played. Like metal slug, plants vs zombies, or perhaps bookworm adventure.
If i worrried about meta i wouldn't be rocking a carian knight build with a carian sorcery sword as a casting tool. Is it terrible for casting yes, but it's vision ive had aince i started playing. In fact carians were half the reason i started playing ER. Is my poise terrible, yes, is my damage suboptimal, yes, am i copensating heavily by getting better with fundamentals, absolutely.
There are some tools I'll never touch because I have fun with them example backhand blades, even with all the patches they just seem cheap I can't find the joy in that.
@@TheAzul_Indigo you know the stuff my only problem is in PVP, sadly sovereignity is useless. I hope they fix them because basically have 3 carian greatsword moves, greatsword, grandeur and sovereignity and none of them are pvp viable thats crazy.
@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT Gotta disagree with you there- sovereignty reaches farther than grandeur, has splash damage, and can delay the follow up. Plus some poise, hyper-armor, and spacing it can one shot entire teams through walls.
@@TheAzul_Indigo I don't disagree with that all but notice how you said you used it through walls. All attacks would be good if you catch them off guarded. Change the match to a duel or open area and unless they are insane (which some people are ) they can easily move away from it or roll or just out space. The ones getting caught are generally those who don't know about the follow up or panic
The answer is yes. I've lost count of the times I am laughing like a maniac after an invasion or felt myself engaged and amused. Above all else, it's just plain fun. Nothing feels more vindicating and entertaining than smashing a prepared gank one by one until all that is left is a host running for their dear life only to get cannon of Haima'd off a ledge to their doom. Or to utterly devastate two out of three in a gank in a single move and just feel the dread of a host as their whole party was wiped out with a single spell/slap an annoying host around with the Carrian reagel scepter spin pinning them against a wall until they go splat. It could be better, though. Ganks are still major work-outs to deal with. Invasions could be far better.
I think that’s fair; No one should just jump into meta level PvP. If you want to get in, start a new playthrough and keep your tongue running, or once you get the racusant finger, keep that on. You’ll get a taste of everything and you’ll see which levels are kinder to you. Make sure to play like a collector. Try weapons you want to like or spells. Make sure to do things in your favor. Try pots or perfumes, maybe an exalted flesh. Maybe you like coil serpent shield and Erdtree greatsheild so you can poison casters and bonk hosts. Go out of your way to be weird until you get to a level you like. You should consider trying higher poise fashion souls. I play at 67, so I’m not death combined so easily. I run a shield to cover my mistakes. Also, strength is easy mode, intelligence is easy mode, bleed is easy mode and faith is baby mode. You don’t have to be good to get in, you have to git gud to be a sweat; no one likes a sweat. So get cozy, use the mimic veil and make sure you have an oops tool: endure, quickstep, rotm, waves of darkness or others like palm blast. Don’t use crutches as crutches, use them like spice. Just enough to be interesting
Absolutely rancid advice, nothing will make you despise ER PvP more than getting bombarded with the most overtuned twinks in the history of souls games.
@@anitaremenarova6662I see the sentiment. There is no slider to tune who invades you or who you invade. The twinks are inevitable but there are things you can do. We’re talking about beginners; sending them to the colosseum would be unwise. I suggest to treat it like a game more than anything. Play tricks, set traps and good around. We’ll all have to learn to deal with the punches and they aren’t light punches. These (hypothetical) people are trying to kill a host and his friend who already finished the game. The less seriously you take it and the less restrictions you put upon yourself the better your experience can be. How did I deal with twinks? I used mimic veil to hide by a ledge then when they came to investigate I launched a high knock back attack to send them home. Be nice to each other and go waste some hosts estus
Personally, I think Invasions would be more tolerable if there was a greater window of time you can't be invaded after you've already been invaded. In the final area of the DLC, my friend and I were invaded a lot...to the point progress was almost impossible. We'd finish off one invader and then get hit with another almost immediately, both of us exclaiming in voice chat "What?! It's been less than a minute since we got rid of the last one...I thought it was supposed to be at least 5 minutes between invasions?". I've said in a comment on a previous video of yours; I don't mind invasions, they can be pretty fun and spice up a run, but if you're in an area where you're struggling to make progress already, being invaded every few minutes really dampens that fun. One specific series in the final zone of the DLC was multiple invasions happening in the area with the Ice-Themed Hornsent Warrior (though most invasions had them running to hide behind these warriors throughout the zone, this is just about the ice one in particular), we made it to that point and we'd die because the invaders would run and hide behind the warrior, then we couldn't progress without triggering it. We'd try to fight it but even at Blessing Lv17 at that point, we were doing only minor damage to the warrior. The invaders just hid behind him and threw shit at us while we tried to dodge the warrior's attacks, then after we died, they'd run up and teabag. It really wasn't very fun having to go through that area like 10+ times because it kept happening over and over in that one area.
7:15 "deal unreasonable amount of damage to catch someone off guard" that is something I take issue of compared to techs and hard swaps and meta searching as you mentioned earlier in the video. For a souls game to be unbalanced is not having powerful attacks, it's that the powerful attacks can be either easily or frequently done without no real counter play. This is why swiftslash was nerfed, that is also why or rivers and bloodhound was nerfed too. Elden Ring needs to strive to copy itself as close as it can to Dark Souls 3. PS. I think the patch right now is generally speaking ok, everything is not burning anymore like when DLC came out. I just hope they keep patching, there's still work to be done.
the best advice i could give to new players is to chill the fuck out. pvp competition has always been a continuous cicle. we all entered the ferris weel at the station. and even though some people will stay at the bottom or the top, what does it matter? no what does it REALLY matter. enjoy the ride. it all ends one day
The biggest mistake many Hosts make is when describing the Invaders they fail to realize those are players just like them, who bought the game with their hard earned money and are trying to get something out of it and have fun as well.
That's Miyazaki's mistake, he sees invaders as "really strong enemies", they are NPCs according to From's design philosophy so this unbalanced mess will never change.
i get 'dropping items' but ill never get how or why people in limgrave have late game items and spells like adula's moonblade or ROB and Snow Witch set
ER was my first Fromsoft game. Multiplayer feels like a tacked on afterthought. I've been playing almost non-stop since launch. Beating the game over and over with new builds or challenge runs is waymore fun and rewarding to me than fighting randoms for no reason. It just feels like a waste of time. I tried co-op once with my brother. I've invaded at least a hundred times for Varres quest. I've helped a handful of people kill bosses. I just spend 99% of the time playing single player offline. I don't even want to see ghosts, bloodstains, or messages when I'm playing. To be fair, I don't play any other online games except Fortnite occasionally with my kids. I had no idea Fromsoft had put multiplayer in all their games. I thought I was buying a single player RPG.
Just know. You can truly roll play and become an amazing challenge for other players and their friends by creating an interesting invader build. Pick a castle and protect it from the tarnished for example. The desire to do this seeps into players over time. Its peak souls gameplay AND lore if you ask me.
@@TheCohesiveGarage I've been playing for over two and a half years, I think I'd be interested in multiplayer by now. I get that it's part of Fromsoft tradition, but it's not appealing to me at all. I tried everything except the Coliseums and being summoned to help. Even the in-game invasions are annoying. Especially like Edgar and Varre who I've already met multiple times in reality, but have to teleport to and from different dimensions to fight them. It doesn't make any sense.
@@TheCohesiveGarage I get why others like it. The random and chaotic nature of the fights. It just doesn't appeal to me. I'm a collector, not a competitor. Give me more stuff, not bragging rights. I don't care if my build, skills, or internet speed is better than anyone else's. I'm glad other people like it, I know it's what keeps these games alive years after launch. Hopefully they'll continue to update and add things to PvP to keep everyone else interested.
"Tacked on afterthought" is like verbatim in the community. Personally, I think it holds less water than what people believe. As a counter example, take the DLC incantation Roar of Rugalea, a tool that featured in the reveal trailer and that certainly got noticed, including lore-wise. Well, I found out, as did a lot of other people, that this incantation was disappointingly mediocre - a "tacked on" thing with all the oomph and little of the utility; another stupid tool in massive game with a fair share of stupid tools that require more effort than they produce results... And then a month later or so Fromsoft turns it into potentially the most abusive aoe in the same, a wide-room crowd control tool for 14 fth. And if you build for it? Wow, yeah. So, it's one thing for you to find little of substance in online functionality, but it's another all together to suggest Fromsoft has "tacked on" mechanics, because if we care about nuance that potential list of dubious mechanics starts adding up like crazy in both ways. And if what you don't personally like is "tacked on", I assure you there's plenty of people who will say that about things you personally enjoy in ER. Just go ahead and mention spirit ashes and see how it burns like a forest fire in the community.
I enjoy casual pvp in most types of games (even Elden Ring) because its a unique challenge to figure out how to overcome because baiting a boss to do something is completely different from baiting a player. My issue overall is the mentality and playstyle of most of the invaders I come across: "look at me! I can spam all day and when I get punished I'm gonna run and hide behind pve enemies and pester you so you're forced to deal with me quickly or deal with me whittling down your resources on the way to whatever your goal is" ect. ect. Its more annoying than it is angering in my eyes. I only have so much time to play so having my time wasted by some dickhead specifically here to waste said time and be annoying isn't exactly fun to me. Thankfully pvp comes naturally to me and I have a thing for numbers so my fun comes from kicking the shit out of those type of invaders with my own planning, skill, and cooperation with my host and occasionally deuling an invader that seems like a good sport. The problem is you have to determine quickly what kinda invader you got with how powerful twinks can be, certain ash of war spam, latency, lag, and how quickly you can stack buffs to setup a oneshot build or you can treat every invader with a "on sight" mentality which I'm leaning more towards now adays because more often then not the invaders are trolls in my experience. My recommendation for anyone who wants to get better at pvp or just doesn't like dealing with invaders: Instead of just spamming *insert ash of war here* or *insert the same 3 spells or incantations here* watch someone like "Chase the bro" who's unnaturally good at pvp, is generally very good spirited about the whole thing, and breaks down WHY he's using what he does and how to take advantage of it then try to apply the same knowledge and mentality to when you have to deal with an invader. You may find they're way easier to put down than you think and you'll generally get better at dealing with them so you're less frustrated when annoying ones show up. Alternatively, "everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" so learn to read an invaders movements to figure out how they're gonna try and put you down and counter that instead of looking up an "OP pvp build" and just copy pasting what they use. Plus, you can always just throw boulders at all your problems. I mean, who's gonna stop you? The Boulder is already in flight.
@Lilacropolis I stated very specifically spamming and just running to hide behind pve when you get punished for playing bad was annoying. I don't have an issue with invaders as a whole, just how most of them act. Typically when I'm summoned there's only 2 of us and no blues so your 3 man blender comment is stupid inherently because you're making assumptions instead of using simple reading comprehension skills. And just a cherry on top the average player wouldn't do the standard 3 man spamfest and gank squad shenanigans if invaders weren't so annoying to deal with in the first place so maybe instead of making assumptions you should look into a perspective shift and be open to the idea that people can think for themselves and see things differently from you. :)
Okay but your main point about souls games having easy access to pvp via L2 spam or some equivalent only apples to Elden ring. That does not translate to ds1-3 without a good amount of research and twinking
It's really hard to enjoy PvP when THIS 0:23 is happening all the time, even if they somehow manage to balance all the broken stuff (something impossible at this point) it will always be tolerable at best
I was good at dark souls 3 PVP and invasion AND they were very fun! Just watched a clip of myself getting 5 consecutive kills in a fight club. I do not enjoy elden ring pvp nor am I good at it lol
I enjoy playing with silly builds and don’t care if I die. I laugh out loud when people teabag me. Who cares, it’s a game that lets me cosplay as anyone I want. After doing it enough, I’m getting good and able to hold my own against sweaty builds. That’s fun. Kinda over getting one or 2 shot by spark aromatic though
Love using the taunters tongue for my twink character and an invader got mad and said i was ruining the game, but how i see it is i get to have fun duels that aren't won by relying on a cooperater and i love how respectable invaders get when they see an honerable duel (If you want to get into invasions i personally find rl 50 +8 being a good spot your character stats are hefty enough to progress the game and your stats are low enough to not invade end game level characters and be destroyed by endgame spells)
Just anyone? No. Absolutely not. Low level pvp is probably your best chance however. The game has always lacked important combat feedback when playing online even in coop. This problem dates back to the very first souls game ever made. (Yes yes I am talking about latency and bad netcode, but I am wording it in a way that frames the problem with pvp accessibility.) When you need to look at a guide to know what latency and lag looks like, just to be able to play somewhat competently, and in order to be able to appropriately judge enemy distance, that's a lack of important combat feedback/information/tells. Especially where so much of pvp is action and reaction, you need that information and feedback to make a proper decision on countering or other aspects of a fight. Can't learn and improve from your mistakes when death comes in often incomprehensible ways. Say what you want but pvp without a shadow of a doubt has its barriers to access.
Yea I like ER invasion and pvp. The older allegiances mechanics made it a bit more fun in the old souls games, but I like the build variety now. So much imbalance ironically brings balance to the pvp since there is no longer one or two annoying AF metas. There is a lot of ways to beat the cheese youtube builders. You can beat the try hards much easier than in past souls games, which is key for me because I just like the rpg theatricality of it. As im typing this I’m hearing the rest of your video and yea, my sentiments exactly. ER pvp is better for the rpg’ers, worse for the try hards, which is excellent in my book.
This game reward build more than skill this the main issue. Then you talk about skill guys think about spacing management when u have a PvP which reward build and passiv gameplay it's mean the issue IS structural. When u have AoW which do more dmg than parry or backstab you couldn't excpect anything about ballance. Finally when u had a good basis PvP like dks2 thanks to the mechanics which have been implemented like super parry animation cancelling iFrame on backstep making passiv and agressiv playstyle viable and you see that the studio has thrown everything in the garbrage you understand that there is nothing more to expect from FS
You can optimize your build to instakllI with ripostes, thing is nobody bothers with parrying in this game because PC anticheat adds up to 100ms latency, this combined with jump attacks and some weapons straight up being unparryable completely makes the risk much greater than reward. What? They literally improved on most of the mechanics, also this game has a talisman that gives i-frames on backstep now. Main issue is the overtuned damage on ashes of war and regular moveset of weapons that already have meta moveset.
Where are super parry animation cancelling? Where IS reverse Roll?guard breack(u need AoW). Come on man be serious it seems like you don't even know what you're talking about. You talk about iFrame Indeed u need to use talisman but the drawbacks IS you take 15% more damage. They blow u with manga animation's AoW and that was enough to make you believe that the game is richer than dark souls 2😂😂😂😂
@@zarakikenpachi448 There's multiple types of parrying including spell and projectile parrying and jump attacks, ER is objectively the richest build variety ever was in souls.
@@anitaremenarova6662 😂😂😂😂 parry spell begun with dks. I was talking about mechanics you talk about build your message show u don't understand nothing u are unable to do the difference between build and mechanics. You could have a lot of build with a truly poor gameplay liké ER
@@zarakikenpachi448 Ah yes, ranged parry and projectile parry definitely existed there lmfao I'm talking about carian retaliation btw. Bro has a terminal case of nostalgia, ER mechanics are perfect it's other things that make it terrible not this.
🙄 I dislike PVP and prefer cooperative play without invasions and I assist others and just deal with invaders and lose more often than I win even with the odds supposedly in my favor. It is what it is…
Short answer no. Main culprit being atrocious netcode and average connection (particularly on pc), terrible balancing. People play ER pvp only because there is nothing else new in this niche.
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No. Its broken af either youre overwhelmed in 3 v1 or youre overtuned for the genuine pve'rs. You dont feel good winning or losing in these scenarios unless you win the 3v1
>Invaders are always outnumbered Except when they aren't because they are picking the best grief spots with OP mobs to hide and run into. Or intentionally invading around world & mini bosses to catch players mid fight and grief them. Why are most grieving invaders so dishonest about their tactics?
Running into mobs or choosing bottleneck spots is a good tactic. It's why it's so infuriating to be on the bad end of. I think, though, it's helpful to remember invaders are not a monolith. And what one does has no say on what another chooses to do. I got no control where my invasions occur personally and can end up anywhere. And it's why I need to customize my toolkit to the best of my ability to function in any kind of battlefield or terrain/deal with whatever set up I may encounter. I note a lot of hosts for example neglected ranged attack options of any kind, and leave an easy to exploit vulnerability by only going melee/short range attacks. You'd need to find someone who does on purpose do that and ask them for more direct answers. Heck if I know how other invaders think or behave. Outside of this kind of RUclips sphere, I never speak to anyone who does them, nor know any invaders. There is no tea party for invaders to exchange secrets over. So it's less dishonesty, and more "heck if I know what those other reds be thinking. I can barely understand it myself when 2v2s happen." I'd note though that sometimes invasions take a good 2-5 minutes to get going, so by the time an invader arrives they are looking for action and not there to play nice or goof around. Catching a host and company fighting a strong mob or boss is more akin to "ah, cool. That makes this a lot easier."
@@videocrowsnest5251 I played all the Souls games and 90% of the time invaders are grieving trolls. I get an "honorable" invader that will straight up fight once in a blue moon. And yes, you can choose roughly where to invade. You can use the near function and look at where multiplayer is occurring on the map in Elden Ring. With some experience & knowledge it is pretty easy to find spots for invasions that benefit the griever greatly. Hosts are not using range (jar canon/bows) because it mostly sucks in PVE. Which is the reason grieving invaders exploit it, knowing that most everyone they invade will not be spec'd to counter it. And acting like invaders don't have all kinds of places online, like RUclips & Reddit, where they have built communities around sharing invasion grieving strategies is incredibly disingenuous. The level of dishonesty about what most of them are and what they do that I see out of the invader(griever) community is astounding. I actually set up gank squads with buddies to troll the grievers and 9/10 they will quit out when they see people are ready for them, they have no mobs to run into, and are outnumbered. I will even give one a fair fight, 1v1, if they follow the proper honorifics.. But that rarely ever happens. Because the vast majority of reds are cowards who don't want a fair fight. Lastly, running an hiding in mobs from a pvp interaction you forced other players to have may be a "good tactic" for the griever, but it's scummy & annoying. I have invaded myself occasionally in Elden Ring and past Fromsoft games just out of boredom. I don't use griever tactics like running, hiding in mobs, jumping hosts mid fight or other nonsense intended to frustrate and troll co-op players. I also can never get over the feeling of scummyness that I have when invading.. Knowing I forced myself into someone's game that's just trying to have fun and not wanting to deal with me.
@@videocrowsnest5251 Well, I had a thoughtful nuanced reply to make.. But RUclips doesn't allow those now, I guess? Got deleted a half dozen times.. I will try again later if I'm not too frustrated with the unnecessary censorship on this platform.
@@HailEarendil I hear you. It's downright frustrating how since...certain US related recent events, the youtube moderator bots got turned up to be overzealous. Deleting perfectly harmless comments left, right and center just cause it can't tell the difference and seem to be about as good at telling harmful content from harmless content as Star Wars B1 battledroids would be. It especially likes to target thoughtful, nuanced replies, while letting blatant no no stuff through just fine.
cmon jon youre underselling yourself.. not the best sure but a good invader definietly. in more ways than one. and in my book, this means you join the hall of fame over any sweatlord
No. You can try to convince people all you want. I get where you're coming from. I had to watch Runescape PvP die and I tried to sway people like you are. But the pvp scene was doomed from the start. Even DS3 pvp was a fraction of the casuals
My problem with the pvp is that it feels like rock paper scissors. I come in with a build and the enemy hotswaps to a build that denies me any chance at a win. I come in with a sword and shield and they swap to a UGS and mash out of hitstun. I pull out a dagger to poke between their swings and they offhand a cleanrot sword to poke me back with more damage. If I did somehow start out-damaging them at this point they'll just run away spamming a ranged attack and using flaming strike any time i get close. My problem is that I don't feel like I'm playing against a person using their skills, I'm just switching between counters as they hotswap through every meta build in the game until they find one that I can't counter with my build. It's rock paper scissors. I don't want to carry a dagger with kick for shield poke builds. I don't want to carry a dagger to counter hyperarmor on basic R1s. I don't want to carry a buckler to parry SwiftRiversofmoonveilwhateverthefuck. I don't want to carry around 30 counters just to have a chance. It's lame and why I stopped playing.
@@Lilacropolis Ikr? Sword and board counters UGS, you block an attack then guard counter which knocks them out of their HA even if they're rocking the most poise possible. This guy also thinks you need a dagger to hit in-between UGS attacks, looks like someone needs to learn to play the game instead of complaining.
@@anitaremenarova6662 They will just roll the guard counter (it's one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game) and then we're back to square 1, perhaps with status buildup if they had some. Not to mention blocking a colossal is very high risk. One guard break and it's death. The problem is that this isn't a counter this is a stalemate. And your sole method of attack has been reduced to guard counters and your enemy can use whatever they like. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You use a counter and the best you can hope for is a fight where you have to play absolutely perfectly and your opponent just has to play not terrible.
@@Violet_fykshyn They physically can't roll anything, neutral UGS R1 chain has too many recovery frames for that which means they're still stuck in the animation as they get hit. If you're having trouble with the timing use deflecting hardtear, it completely removes the stagger animation from blocking large hits. If you're using a shield you need a proper build for it, not having enough stamina and at least one AoW/talisman that increases guard boost is an issue on your part not the game's. Again, you hit them for a solid chunk of damage AND interrupt their attack while they are unable to dodge. That's the definition of a counter, if they keep mindlessly mashing R1 you'll guardcounter them to death. If even that's too difficult for you go for shield bash, you literally can't be guard broken during it. You've sufficiently proven you have no skill so either hone your basics or switch to meta weapons instead of blaming the game for your own shortcomings.
*dedicates time ro getting gud in coleseum* *Dude aith mcdonalds wifi procs %50+ of my bleed bar from 10 feet away while moon walking* *Uses merikas mischeif and goes afk* Also for practice for getting good at invasions the 2v2 and 2v3 coleswums would be a great training ground. Your rando teamate dies and then you get to practice a 2v1 for a brieef second. As anotjer user said though, nobody does 2v2 or 3v3 because nobody wants a fair fight. I hope the seamlwss coop mod can save this game. Maybe add covenants some how/ increase online player limit.
when it comes to noobs spamming the same shit over and over take notes from the fighting game community: even though spamming is effective it can be curbed by a good opponent who uses actual timing and moves its adaptable
Can Anyone Enjoy Elden Ring PVP? NO! I did everything you said in the video and even more and found no pleasure, it's just a bad design of the online module everything has flaws nothing is at a stage that is acceptable. Online is unnecessary, bad and forced in this game. The argument that there are missions that encourage pvp is invalid because the missions in this game are bad in many ways, there is no way to defend that.
I just don't play anymore. Half of the things wrong with the game are things you can't fix. We don't need 300 useless weapons and items, we don't need 300 of the same boss, we don't need 15 year old netcode: We need a game developer that actually cares about making a good game for their core audience.
What?!? “Core audience” - like the souls games were ever primarily intended for pvp! IMO Fromsoft excels at making an exploration and combat-based pve experience with the pvp aspect being mostly a jumbled mess, to be “fixed” later with patches. I don’t expect them to focus on pvp because that’s not the focus of the game, clearly!
I dont really care anyone can play whichever build thay want but if they use a cheesy build or are just a mediocre player they cant claim that they are good its just undermining someone's elses practice and i think its rude. To claim to be good you have to git gud that all i care about Also i like winning🥸
For me personally, Elden Ring is at its best when ur doing some “tryhard” 2v2s in some cool legacy dungeon. When everyone participating is somewhat knowledgeable and trying their very best to win.
Man, I miss when arena 2v2s and 3v3s were still active. Still sad no 6 player limit in the DLC.
100%
2v2 legacy gauntlets are the heart of the game's non-modded pvp, it's a shame it's also the ONLY part of the game that's really actually fun and functioning as it should without mods.
I have no idea what to tell anyone who's considering invading. If you don't have that bug, that curiosity, if you don't wonder what it's like to hit other people with something the same way you hit a boss, I think you're missing the core lust of what compels someone to invade.
You can also invade seamless and walk in with full heals, a rune arc and not looking like a tampon (so 4 talis doing build work). It legit scares the hell out of some players because they've essentially been invaded by a boss. If you think some people run away in vanilla when they're alone, you will see how much more this happen on horseback (yes, it's awful).
Also: a seamless twink is so stupidly dangerous that it actually dawned on me that Fromsoft did, in fact, make adjustments with the nature of this player in mind. There are no big boi phantoms in seamless, it really is some friends progressing at around the same level. So when a twink with a rune arc invades them at rl30... lol, yeah. It's actually incredible how wildly ER can swing in its balance. I suppose that's what happens when they aim to include everything, from a small regular axe to anime katanas and laser beams.
Reds and fellow pvpers I’m going hollow. I have no motivation to keep playing.
Don't give up skeleton!
Maybe try returning to a previous title and doing some invasions, it's always nice to mix things up a bit 🍻
Always good to switch up once in a while, that helps me whenever I'm feeling burned out. Sometimes I take breaks from the genre entirely and play a different kind of game for a while and then when I come back, things feel more fresh.
In my opinion it's time to leave. I always bought fromsoft titles for pvp and never ever have I been truly satisfied. Always some issue never a truly flawless experience.
You may ask why I bought the game for the pvp only?
Because if I need an offline experience I can very well download a Pirated copy, finish the game once maybe twice and be done with it.
Now fromsoft is a mainstream company so not even the excuse of the small studio works for making me think about buying it any longer.
They don't deserve my money or frankly time since they have no intention of making a enjoyable pvp experience.
Im a ganker no a invader :v
@@justkubzyeah he need try to back to ds3
I used to be a scrub, now I am a try hard. I hated this game then and I hate it now. Thanks Michael Zaki!
No. Next question.
Okay, how did it feel to dominate xQc?
I was giggling like Goofy during the whole thing lol @@emotionaljonxvx
In all seriousness though, PvP can be enjoyed pretty easily if people just left their ego at the doorstep when logging into the game. I'll always defend that Level 30 invasions are an AMAZING way to learn PvP, both dueling and invading, because you have a lot of room for mistakes. Plus you feel like a cool raid boss intead or a rag doll for the host and his buddies to fuck around with. People should really give low level invasions a chance.
@@OnlyWaifuYT ego? You‘re one to talk.
@@zawarudo8991 why? :o
@@OnlyWaifuYTIf people just left their egos at the doorstep? More like if fromsoft just fixed it's shitty netcode. It's an actual joke that it's literally impossible to get a perfect pvp connection on PC meanwhile it is possible on console. Stop defending fromsofts shit pvp and maybe they'll actually fix it
No matter how bad you think you are, most of invading is a knowledge check. Like, can you min/max a build? You can’t parry a 2h colossal. Do not mash out of hitstun.
With latency and frame traps, there are just some things no invader can walk away from, regardless how skilled. Most RUclips invaders aren’t out here posting all their L’s, so don’t get the wrong idea.
The design of invasions suggests we are meant to lose more often than we win. Even Bernahl tells you this. “The only thing that awaits you is a miserable death.” Do it anyway, you might be surprised how it feels to win against overwhelming odds, to be feared, even! I found it surprisingly difficult to remain calm and set the pace of the invasion when I first started invading but I’m all the better for it.
Thanks Jon, for another video. Hopefully I’ll be seeing you and other viewers soon for another arena night with the new RL138 spellblade I’ve spent weeks buildcrafting!
I know that it’d be really unpopular but I kinda wish more popular PvP RUclipsrs posted videos of their loses and explained where they messed up or what happened. Would probably help dispel some of the negative thoughts I get after getting whooped ten times in a row lol
Also, do you have any advice on staying calm? It’s a bit embarrassing to admit but man, I find my heart rate getting very fast and the other day I didn’t realize until I died that Id been literally holding my breath and er, actually sweating. Again, embarrassing. I think I’d be doing a lot better if I wasn’t literally on the edge of my seat the whole time.
@@nickoliekeyov746 Watching streams helps, specifically like Chasethebro because in his videos he only shows wins. (he gets a lot of them anyway). it’s fun to watch narratively because I always wonder how he’s gonna do it, but obviously the stream shows a more balanced picture.
I do appreciate Lost for being very balanced in his videos, I never know if he’s going to win.
Saintriot is also a really good one to watch to learn. He sticks to slightly lesscomplex strategies and only uses stuff he actually farmed. his streams especially show a really realistic view of how invading goes for even long time players. Also he’s pretty funny
@@nickoliekeyov746 oh man, I just saw this.
To me, the adrenaline is half of the enjoyment! (It’s also a barrier to entry.)
I don’t mind getting sweaty over a virtual fight for my life. You probably do want a fan in your room, pointed at your hands though. It does get easier as you get used to it with more practice. Some tips I have are:
1) When ((invading another world)) appears on your screen, take a deep breath, hold it and then do slow, controlled breathing when you spawn.
2) When you do spawn, if it’s not on top of the host party, gather your surroundings. Find where they are on the compass and don’t drink your physick/buff until they can see you. You might need to use a phantom finger or shackle for flame traps.
3) When they do see you, if they don’t immediately rush you, that means you are in control of the invasion. They are afraid of you. They might have an ambush ready, but you are a cancer in their world and you have no obligation to engage them on their terms. Take a walk, turn your back to them, lead them to a trap or a narrow corridor where they can’t flank you easily. Try and separate them for a 1v1. If they don’t want to follow you, use bone bow or night maidens mist on them. Take sniper shots with a hand ballista. Get them to waste flasks. It’s your game to lose until it isn’t!
Edit: most of all have fun, it’s a game after all!
I love invading - I started off hating invaders in OG Demon's Souls (thank you Scraping Spear), then became a Forest Ganker in DS1 (full giants, DMB on a DGM, lost more than I won, what's a toggle escape anyway?) but messed around with the blue covenant to get DMB, which led me to a new playthrough where I got to 4 Kings as fast as possible, and then started invading. Fell in love with it. Been invading ever since. I love it.
That being said, Elden Ring can be the most brutal, unfun game when you invade. It's pretty disheartening to get 8 or 9 or 16 invasions in a row where it's nothing but Kevins and Babysitter Billys pelting you with magic and everything else under the sun and your fun little theme RP build using off-meta or in general "fun" setups gets cremated alive by the worst blender imaginable. Absolutely wretched. 0/10, I hate this game. "Oh, just one more invasion then I'm done." Then... you get the one invasion. Everything falls into place. Babysitter Bobby let down his guard and lets himself get hit and roll-caught repeatedly and you get a sick psuedo-combo kill on his behind, and then Kevin is a sitting duck. Or perhaps you manage to do the world's nastiest turn and burn with a crappy hawk sword r2 into blood slash and take all three goobers out. You get that win. 10/10 game. It's all worth it.
This all to say that I feel you big time, and while sometimes Elden Ring makes me want to tear my hair out, and my skill level has hit a rather low personal ceiling, I just can't stop.
I literally just started multiplayer after two years. I noticed immediately my cosplay that i like to run doesnt meet any of the poise break points requirements - thus i got blendered my first few invasions.
I found out quick i have to space mindfully, and be super careful about when i choose to close in and strike.. i usually get massacred anyway.
Im not exactly wearing light armor either, and i find it frustrating that i cant hold up against meta of Solitude sets and Bullgoat talismans. Guess i either submit to the meta armor and tactics, or Git Gud on my own terms
@@tylerwastripped1590 Find yourself a weapon that always poise breaks.
Unfortunately dual daggers are not an invasion meta.
You take poise damage during phantom hits so having a lot of it is not as impactful as it would be in the coliseum.
You only really need 89 poise, that can be reached with a myriad of combinations. Even before the DLC I ran Iron Kasa + Blackflame monk armor with heavy duty legs and gauntlets. Those 2 slots (helm and chest) make up 95% of your look especially if the chest drapes down to your knees or even lower so sacrifice the other two slots and you'll be both optimal AND dripped out
Alright, more than fair take, Jo.
I'ma keep it a buck, as a mediocre invader who loses close to 90% of invasions whenever I try to bring something seriously off-meta on the table, I recently began to stop drowning the harsh and stinging impression that, compared to dark souls 3, you absolutely need a cheap win condition in your build to even think of taking on multiple opponents as one, let alone experienced players.
I'll give the tl;dr now: the difference between a build that uses strong weapons/spells/armor and one that doesn't is absurdly huge. I strongly feel that I'm never encouraged to spend time 'gitting gud' with what I like and making my build work, rather than completely changing or adjusting the tools at my disposal instead. It feels like my creativity is being punished, and punished by people who've looked up your average RUclipsr's tier list and chose the most meta stuff in there- stuff that works better the more you turn your brain off. It feels like the design is scorning at me, mocking me, for choosing something different than the 20 pieces of equipment out of 1000+ that everyone uses.
The longer rant is that, compared to my cosplays and OCs in ds3, I rarely even think about what I could've done better after inevitably losing anymore. When you're dedicating one or two talisman slots for roleplaying reasons, using very inefficient armor and playing with a weapon you don't have an upper hand with no matter how many hours you pour into it, it becomes hard to argue that "gitting gud" is even possible without sacrificing part of the essence of what you were trying to git gud in the first place. When you're almost naked with only a short sword with the kick weapon art, facing two moonveils and whatever colossal, there is simply nothing you can do. Even in the rare times I know I played well, and I spaced a hit perfectly and rolled out of the others' punishes… all of that for 350 damage. But, one bad trade and you're almost dead, three more and you have no more heals. What happens if you change that ash of war into lightning strike and spam that whenever the host and phantoms are fighting PvE? All of a sudden you're 10× more impactful. That's just how it works, and I find it really limiting because yes, you can have "your style" just like you said, but every "style" tends to gravitate towards the same items, killing originality. I probably shouldn't say it's _impossible_ to make what I like work, I'm just saying that the amount of effort to put into it compared to just giving up and picking up a great katana is disencouraging, and it's killing my enjoyment for the game. Back in dark souls 3, you could make Arstor's spear work. Anri's straight sword was okay even against a full Lapp with splitleaf, just in virtue of being a straight sword. But here, if you like the iron spear you'd better have two and power stance them if you want to have any chance at doing anything. Literally almost twice the damage and better poise damage. Better range, too, it feels like. It's dumb.
Recently, Jeenine has posted a video where he "tries to make colossals work". Colossals are a slightly underwhelming weapon class, and there's far worse. Even then, when you look at the video, what does an experienced player such as him do to consistently win? Use storm stomp. Trade. Switch to a Miséricorde. Switch to a halberd. I've never seen him struggle more than when he went up against the two players in farum azula, and forgive me but I don't think he simply had to "git gud" there.
The power disparity in the game between what is viable and what is optimal is pretty significant, no lie there. It's hard to get a personal style through when it can sit so far below the meta competition and that's a problem with the game overall.
For me, as showcased in the video, I like to play at lower levels with builds that aren't all that meta. Dual straight swords is obviously a pretty solid option but the build is otherwise terrible. It's level 20 with +5/+2 weapons and only has healing upgrades from Limgrave (4 uses at +4 I think). Fighting hosts who don't have gear muled to them or aren't being escorted through by a downscaled phantom is some of the most fun I've had in this game and its the same sort of build I've made in Dark Souls 3.
Not that its going to be for everyone but it helped me a lot to get away from the meta space and try invading in a more casual capacity. Actually fighting two friends trying to get to a boss while I try to manage my extra limited resources.
Could also go the full twink route and just get geared up at the lowest level you can manage. It gets a bad rep but it can be a lot of fun for cosplay builds and just messing around.
@@sunlight941 I hear you with RP being weak, here’s my cope: make your RP around the stuff you naturally gravitate to winning with. Thunderbolt ash of war you say? What about a lightning thief? Death knight? Dragonborn? Igon with lightning harpoons? (Spears) I could go on.
Poise is kinda pointless when you’re dealing with multiple opponents IMO because you’re always taking poise damage even through phantom hits. I always pick armor that nets me at least 51 for the PVE and I call it good. It lets me have decent armor variety for fashion which is why I’m still here.
@emotionaljonxvx Thank you kindly for your reply. I edited my original post to add a few examples for the sake of clarity.
Yes, twinking is an option and so is straying further from 125/150. Nevertheless, I don't want to admit I'm in the wrong for choosing what I think would feel fair and fun for the receiving party AS WELL as for me. I could definitely bring my Nymph of Rot character to level 20 and spank some new players in Stormveil with rot and poison. Will I ever? Hardly. Once again, the issue is the same: why am I being hindered from playing the way I want to without being overly gimped/penalized, so much that I feel strongly compelled to gravitate towards stronger stuff? One could argue that my purpose shouldn't be to win every invasion, but here I am winning one in eight or so. I don't think I'm being overly pretentious. But yeah sure if I'm invading my friends there's no problem, I know what they like and dislike and I'm sure I won't find myself getting spammed with bone bow tracking sleep arrows.
And lastly, I don't agree with your point regarding you using "not all that meta" stuff. Dual ss + sacred blade is pretty darn good, and so is a full metal armor set. Try using a one-handed straight sword next time, maybe with the ss stance wa, and let me know if you feel any noticeable difference.
@@TheAzul_Indigo Reposting this because RUclips is not helping me with the reply function
Thank you, too, for the feedback. I'll say that's good copium. I'm just a bit tired of always putting the default scythe somewhere in my build, and I'm childish enough to refuse not to pursue my idea of making my opponents wonder just what kinda weapons and armor I was using, 'cause they've never seen it before. If I ended up using the same meta stuff, even if under the façade of "roleplay", I wouldn't feel that good of myself. At this point why not cosplay a "tryhard bad red man" and use dual nagis, halberd + handaxe, cleanrot and quickstep and whatnot? It's roleplaying!
@@sunlight941 Hey, You’re welcome, and thank you!
Scythes are good and uncommon! My 168 build mains winged scythe. It’s always somebody’s first time seeing something. Also, no reason you can’t put thunderbolt on a shirtless axe/offhand hand axe build and call yourself the “tree cleaver” Lmao
Jon,
I think you need to you need to make a clear distinction about invasions.
Invasions are not PvP. Invasions are PvPvE.
You need the PvE part for invasions to work, or it would just be 1vX in the arena.
So your interest is not in PvP, but in PvPvE.
Unfortunately, every game I've ever played with PvPvE eventually goes either full PvE, or dies, mostly because the PvE people don't like the PvP part, and as mentioned previously, the PvE Part is necessary for PvPvE.
And while I understand your argument, ultimately I think enjoying the PvP part of PvPvE is a matter of taste. It doesn't matter how much you try to justify why someone should enjoy something, it's something personal that each individual needs to decide for themselves. Not sure what sort of food or drink you enjoy or dislike, but think of it as something like that. No amount of justification or "just try it bro" or "git gud" will convince you that a particular food or drink you dislike is actually enjoyable.
To be honest, like half of invasions are ganks in areas with no PVE. I get what you’re saying though.
@@TheAzul_Indigo And this is why many of Elden Ring's invasions are dogshit. Areas with no relevant PvE turns something that should be PvPvE into 1v3 PvP.
@@AilesDeLumiere hell yeah, no argument from me! I don’t think hosts should ever feel “safe” anywhere except standing on a grace.
Yeah, my arguments and suggestions are entirely subjective. That's sort of the point of the channel. I'm not trying to demand everyone acknowledge that I'm right or anything, just highlight another viewpoint and hopefully give people some perspective.
I totally understand people just aren't going to want to engage with the system but I'm still gonna recommend it. I disliked the system for years and grew to love it over time, so I'm sure there's at least a few people who could follow that path.
As far as clarifying PvP vs PvPvE, I don't really find the E part all that essential to what I'm looking for, but I do like when it adds to the mix. There's a lot of room for discussion about where exactly lines could be drawn with which elements mesh well in PVP and which don't, though that's a little beyond the scope of this video.
Thanks for the comment!
Frankly most of the PVE in elden ring is nothing but a bird, dog, or imp IF it's an actual organic(non-gank) invasion. npc enemies are seldom involved & when they are they are involved they're largely ineffective. you hardly ever come across a banished knight or an actual enemy that can serve as an effective partner/distraction. 95% of invasions are simply a 1v2/3
As PvE only player player that just watches PvP content of this game, the biggest thing keeping me away from it is due to what I enjoy in pvp games (dota2 enthusiast here) - the sense of progression of getting gud - the issue here being what it implies & how it looks. To be frank, it looks unappealing to me. The skills needed for one to master are exactly those you touched on briefly, involving weird things that don't even feel like a natural part of the time but rather low-key breaking the game's supposed limits . Like, when you look at certain heroes in dota or champions in LoL (not that I wanna praise this game, I've long quit it...), that have a higher skill cap, you can tell that from their ability design & synergies (Invoker or Azir) - some moves & strats feel designed for high level players to pull off. It's hard, but there is clarity in the goalpost. Therefore it looks more & more intense the higher the level, culminating in pro-play. Meanwhile when I watch great pvpers in Elden Ring, I remember initially thinking they're doing some exploit showcase or something, like "why is this dude spending 1/3 of the fight in his menu?", coupled with other things.
That being said, you make some good points. Like, if there are chances for a good time even w/o some of the weird skills u need to master, and can compensate via other things worth learning to still give a sense of "git gut" progression that feel more... intended? Natural? Things like decent builds w/o hard swaps, just some good spacing w/o spinning around constantly, making good use of your buffs till they expire, or taking some good positions, high ground or low ground whenever its suitable and having some decent knowledge on how to play your character, the range/reach of weaps/spells/AoWs, I guess it's not so bad. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I never engaged with the multiplayer of this game - I just treat it like a single player RPG - tho' one where I'm still curious how the pvp looks like, from the sidelines xD).
Invaders used to be terrifying. I was once invaded by a player in the depths and it was one the most paranoia inducing experiences I ever had with DS1. Invaders in Elden Ring have been turned into a joke. They are now just something for gankers to farm. Something that can easily stun lock, rush, and easily overwhelm a invader. This is because Elden Ring's PvP design hinges on the host actually progressing the level, and not just sitting at a site for grace waiting for an invader to appear. This would be forgivable, but fromsoft has had 10 years worth of broken Dark Souls PvP to learn from. So it's kinda bizarre how they've still not done something to stop password summons from being used to gank invaders, item dropping, item duping, and removing the need for the host to actually engage with the game because the phantom can just kill the entire level by themselves. I wish when host's password summoned a phantom, the host cannot change the password. So they can't just password summon a powerful phantom and then turn off the password to gank invaders. Or that phantoms could not drop items. I know it would suck to remove trading, but the benefits of preventing most twinks from ruining the PvP outweighs the loss.
I actually agree with you, trading shouldn't be a thing. Duping is a plague.
Love how active your community is man another good video I'm doing my video on the pvp video to add my voice in a few videos. Wish I could pump mine out faster.
Lemme tell ya, doing weekly content on this stuff can be challenging. It eats up at least half my week between scripting and making everything. Can’t imagine people doing it daily who aren’t doing reacts or cutting up livestream footage.
But the content must flow!
@emotionaljonxvx tell me about it I can usually knock out a script in 4 to 8 hours then 2 hours for vo lol so it has been a pain plus I keep getting more ideas for videos the more I do this lol.
You know all those fancy, flashy weapons? Throw them out. Be aggressive with simple weapons. Like Mike Tyson said one time. "Everyone has a plan until they're punched in the face". People panic most of the time when you're aggressive!
3V1 Ganks with L2 spam can be incredibly bullshit no matter what you say.
Well said my friend. Lets all stay positive and actively find our fun.
Immediately after every death/loss I say to myself what mistake I made and or what I should have done instead.
This helps me GIT GUD. So I welcome death. GG skeletons.
I did this for the better part of 2 years but I got carried away and started overanalyzing every little thing in my mad quest to get better at the game, and then most things in the game became a potential headache or hassle for me instead of just being fun.
@@shambleshef Find your fun.. Sounds like you were too focused on perfection and winning. Try dieing to hosts in hilarious ways
I got tired after making too many builds, I love variety and experimenting with the huge amount of gear and spells etc., but it just takes me way too long to get a build off the ground anymore. That and none of the people I match with like to have fun it seems like.
I'll be working on it though, if I can go back and have fun in older souls games' pvp there is no reason why I can't find that in elden ring
Great video as always. I cant put a finger what keeps me from reengaging with this games pvp, multiple level brackets and all. Im probably too dumb and 'old' for it. I still enjoy watching most of the ER invasion content and i still hold out hope that those that do invade in ER get even a fraction of what they need to keep it thriving.
This is something I've been struggling with on a daily basis ever since I began invasions in the DLC. The issue for me is that it is just too much fun to make a level/area more difficult for an honest group of 3.
FS has something SO special and unique with their PvP, it's hard not to sift thru dozens of invasions until I get a good one.
That being said, I've been a FS dedicated meat rider and mostly PvEer for the last 2 years. And I have never been so mad and confused with the game as I am now. Some these hosts make me scream and revert to my 2009 MW2 Lobby Behavior. Some these Spawn points completely unhinge my mindset. The fact that a ton of enemies can hit you and do massive damage, the Fact the brought Seed of a Giant Tree back again with another 10 slot item. The more I think about the stuff that I lose too the more upset I get. I wish I didn't take it so personally but I do. It makes me long for halflight where the invader was scaled to the number of players entering the Church. It makes me miss having that Divine lightning spear that gave Poise because it was MY ONE THING that I had over them. I remember the joy of getting my first upgraded spear for 30 Host kills. We don't have anything like that to supplement Invasions in ER. And while its not outwardly noticeable to the casual player, it leaves players like me with a hollow feeling even when we do manage to pull off a 1v3.
Thanks for the vid, I've been really appreciating your perspective and thoughts on these matters
Yea i can definitely sympathize with that “hollow feeling” as well 😒
My problem with pvp is zero motivation, like what do I get out of it? Rune arcs are useless
And the pvp itself isn’t “fun” enough to play everyday thanks to the net code and complete lack of varied builds
Every single fight is usually the same 6 player builds it’s boring as hell
If from isn’t ganna update the pvp for the next game( Elden ring is a complete downgrade in that department) then just leave it out and make coop better.
Being a hunter is probably a good way to get into pvp in elden ring. Invader covenants was a gateway back in ds3 for me. It lets you continue doing your pve but with occasional pvp incursions to give things some variety. If you're lucky you'll even get to actually find and engage with the invader a bit, before they or the host dies. When invading, if you tire of losing, then either git gud or more realistically, you can try twinking at low level.
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I don't think it's better than dueling as a gateway into invading and such, because you will almost always have a numerical advantage as a blue
No way dude being a hunter is the way to be a huge douche who’s gonna get used by gankers. Hunters are tools.
Taking summons as a hunter is just too irritating for me personally. It’s random so you might be in the middle of something, half the time you don’t even make it to the fight before the invader or host is killed, it’s just an inconvenience overall.
@@PoisonJarl71501 yes, this is correct. And as an invader I just tumble buff deathblight onto magma balde for ANY blue I see. I never deathblight phantoms or hosts. Only blues. Not only do they deserve it for assisting in ganks, but it's also fucking hilarious to watch them explode into a tree 🤣 🤣 🤣 it's just too bad they removed the infinite back stab. RIP
I like researching how to fight. Builds, meta, timing, etc.. Probably my favorite part of pvp.
There was a moment in DS1 when I knew I was going to beat the game. For me that was big, I normally do not feel a need to finish any piece of media I lose interest in. I had walked away from DS1 at least twice before returning and finally beating Ornstein and Smough without summons. Not a point of pride, I had just long since lost my humanity. After that the game just felt different.
The feeling of anxiety from losing all my souls or being invaded was gone. Because, I knew from that point forward I would respawn and keep making progress.
To me, "Git gud," is just the same encouraging trash talk I use to hear in the Army. Throwing your guts up on the side of the road during a 6 mile run? Suck it up butter cup. What are you going to do? Quit? No, you're better than that. Don't you dare go hollow on me.
For the longest time, I have had the idea to create the most asymmetrical and cancerous PvP experience possible. The idea was to create a level 1 ultra-twinked out build. They would have both sorseals equipped to gain 40 virtual levels, Godricks Great Rune active for an additional 40 levels, and then be accompanied by two max level password summons. The name of this character: _Miyazaki's Vision_
I never made this character as I did not think I would get invaded much at RL 1 nor do I really enjoy hosting--That is. . . until invasions were dropped in Seamless Co-op. Here, Invaders can use Great Runes, and the invasions were added when items such as the Dragon Scale Flesh were put into the game. If you have Radagon's Sorseal (+20 levels), Marika's Sorseal (+20 levels), Godrick's Great Rune (+40 levels), and consume the Dragonscale Flesh (+32 levels), then you can use the Grafted Blade Greatsword's WA, Oath of Vengeance (+40 levels), all totaling for 152 additional levels at RL 1. Let me tell you: As someone who has previously only invaded at meta and high level, *low level invasions with this build are a treat.*
I highly recommend everyone to try invading with this build in Seamless, especially if you are new to or struggle with invasions. With this setup, fights do not go one way or the other too quickly since everyone is low level, you can focus more on your fundamentals as the crazier AoWs and spells are not at anyone's disposal, and even 1v3s will feel somewhat balanced due to your bonus stats giving you the much needed health and defense to accommodate the numbers disadvantage. Please do yourself a favor and try it! :D
I’ve been trying to get into invading but I am absolutely trash at it. My build is a RL30 vagabond, all those points into vigor + radagon's soreseal. I wanted to main the Claymore but I just can’t get it to work for me. I may try the uchigatana out or maybe the dismounter, not sure. I have ADHD and it feels so hard sometimes to keep in mind that I need to manage my spacing, the environment, think about what equipment the host and summons are using, etc. 75% of my invasions end up just being me panic rolling and getting ganked by the host and their summons. It’s not even necessarily that they are using broken stuff all the time (although that does happen) but more so that it’s so damn difficult for me. The most successful I’ve been is when I’m very sneaky and tricky and set up some sort of elaborate trap but I feel like I only really get to pull that off maybe once every 30 invasions. I’ll keep trying but man is this punishing.
You may want to try doing some duels with a friend (if possible) or even going to a lower bracket with a much stronger build. If you invade at like level 10 +3/+1, barring downscaled summons, you can get a pretty substantial advantage. It's not exactly the most sporting invasion but if you're struggling to get the rhythm down, it can be helpful to try and tilt the odds as much as possible while still going up against multiple opponents.
It's not the easiest thing to get down but it can be pretty rewarding when you get it right.
Always great stuff here. I really don’t have anything else to say that you didn’t already
I am on a break from ds3 and elden ring pvp related content. And i only hop into the game when a friend ask to play.
It's a tough spot, for sure. My friend group is finished with the DLC and outside of RUclips, I don't find myself exactly motivated.
@@emotionaljonxvx yeah, right now i just post ds2 pvp for a bit or i upload some childhood games i played. Like metal slug, plants vs zombies, or perhaps bookworm adventure.
If i worrried about meta i wouldn't be rocking a carian knight build with a carian sorcery sword as a casting tool. Is it terrible for casting yes, but it's vision ive had aince i started playing. In fact carians were half the reason i started playing ER. Is my poise terrible, yes, is my damage suboptimal, yes, am i copensating heavily by getting better with fundamentals, absolutely.
There are some tools I'll never touch because I have fun with them example backhand blades, even with all the patches they just seem cheap I can't find the joy in that.
If you haven’t put carian sovereignty on a cold milady yet… I recommend it; It’s got hyperarmor.
@@TheAzul_Indigo you know the stuff my only problem is in PVP, sadly sovereignity is useless. I hope they fix them because basically have 3 carian greatsword moves, greatsword, grandeur and sovereignity and none of them are pvp viable thats crazy.
@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT Gotta disagree with you there- sovereignty reaches farther than grandeur, has splash damage, and can delay the follow up. Plus some poise, hyper-armor, and spacing it can one shot entire teams through walls.
@@TheAzul_Indigo I don't disagree with that all but notice how you said you used it through walls. All attacks would be good if you catch them off guarded. Change the match to a duel or open area and unless they are insane (which some people are ) they can easily move away from it or roll or just out space. The ones getting caught are generally those who don't know about the follow up or panic
The answer is yes. I've lost count of the times I am laughing like a maniac after an invasion or felt myself engaged and amused. Above all else, it's just plain fun. Nothing feels more vindicating and entertaining than smashing a prepared gank one by one until all that is left is a host running for their dear life only to get cannon of Haima'd off a ledge to their doom. Or to utterly devastate two out of three in a gank in a single move and just feel the dread of a host as their whole party was wiped out with a single spell/slap an annoying host around with the Carrian reagel scepter spin pinning them against a wall until they go splat. It could be better, though. Ganks are still major work-outs to deal with. Invasions could be far better.
I think that’s fair; No one should just jump into meta level PvP. If you want to get in, start a new playthrough and keep your tongue running, or once you get the racusant finger, keep that on. You’ll get a taste of everything and you’ll see which levels are kinder to you. Make sure to play like a collector. Try weapons you want to like or spells. Make sure to do things in your favor. Try pots or perfumes, maybe an exalted flesh. Maybe you like coil serpent shield and Erdtree greatsheild so you can poison casters and bonk hosts. Go out of your way to be weird until you get to a level you like. You should consider trying higher poise fashion souls. I play at 67, so I’m not death combined so easily. I run a shield to cover my mistakes. Also, strength is easy mode, intelligence is easy mode, bleed is easy mode and faith is baby mode. You don’t have to be good to get in, you have to git gud to be a sweat; no one likes a sweat. So get cozy, use the mimic veil and make sure you have an oops tool: endure, quickstep, rotm, waves of darkness or others like palm blast. Don’t use crutches as crutches, use them like spice. Just enough to be interesting
Absolutely rancid advice, nothing will make you despise ER PvP more than getting bombarded with the most overtuned twinks in the history of souls games.
@@anitaremenarova6662I see the sentiment. There is no slider to tune who invades you or who you invade. The twinks are inevitable but there are things you can do. We’re talking about beginners; sending them to the colosseum would be unwise. I suggest to treat it like a game more than anything. Play tricks, set traps and good around. We’ll all have to learn to deal with the punches and they aren’t light punches. These (hypothetical) people are trying to kill a host and his friend who already finished the game. The less seriously you take it and the less restrictions you put upon yourself the better your experience can be. How did I deal with twinks? I used mimic veil to hide by a ledge then when they came to investigate I launched a high knock back attack to send them home. Be nice to each other and go waste some hosts estus
Personally, I think Invasions would be more tolerable if there was a greater window of time you can't be invaded after you've already been invaded. In the final area of the DLC, my friend and I were invaded a lot...to the point progress was almost impossible. We'd finish off one invader and then get hit with another almost immediately, both of us exclaiming in voice chat "What?! It's been less than a minute since we got rid of the last one...I thought it was supposed to be at least 5 minutes between invasions?". I've said in a comment on a previous video of yours; I don't mind invasions, they can be pretty fun and spice up a run, but if you're in an area where you're struggling to make progress already, being invaded every few minutes really dampens that fun. One specific series in the final zone of the DLC was multiple invasions happening in the area with the Ice-Themed Hornsent Warrior (though most invasions had them running to hide behind these warriors throughout the zone, this is just about the ice one in particular), we made it to that point and we'd die because the invaders would run and hide behind the warrior, then we couldn't progress without triggering it. We'd try to fight it but even at Blessing Lv17 at that point, we were doing only minor damage to the warrior. The invaders just hid behind him and threw shit at us while we tried to dodge the warrior's attacks, then after we died, they'd run up and teabag. It really wasn't very fun having to go through that area like 10+ times because it kept happening over and over in that one area.
7:15 "deal unreasonable amount of damage to catch someone off guard" that is something I take issue of compared to techs and hard swaps and meta searching as you mentioned earlier in the video. For a souls game to be unbalanced is not having powerful attacks, it's that the powerful attacks can be either easily or frequently done without no real counter play. This is why swiftslash was nerfed, that is also why or rivers and bloodhound was nerfed too. Elden Ring needs to strive to copy itself as close as it can to Dark Souls 3. PS. I think the patch right now is generally speaking ok, everything is not burning anymore like when DLC came out. I just hope they keep patching, there's still work to be done.
the best advice i could give to new players is to chill the fuck out. pvp competition has always been a continuous cicle. we all entered the ferris weel at the station.
and even though some people will stay at the bottom or the top, what does it matter? no what does it REALLY matter. enjoy the ride. it all ends one day
Preach, Jon!
The biggest mistake many Hosts make is when describing the Invaders they fail to realize those are players just like them, who bought the game with their hard earned money and are trying to get something out of it and have fun as well.
That's Miyazaki's mistake, he sees invaders as "really strong enemies", they are NPCs according to From's design philosophy so this unbalanced mess will never change.
i get 'dropping items' but ill never get how or why people in limgrave have late game items and spells like adula's moonblade or ROB and Snow Witch set
ER was my first Fromsoft game. Multiplayer feels like a tacked on afterthought. I've been playing almost non-stop since launch. Beating the game over and over with new builds or challenge runs is waymore fun and rewarding to me than fighting randoms for no reason. It just feels like a waste of time.
I tried co-op once with my brother. I've invaded at least a hundred times for Varres quest. I've helped a handful of people kill bosses. I just spend 99% of the time playing single player offline. I don't even want to see ghosts, bloodstains, or messages when I'm playing.
To be fair, I don't play any other online games except Fortnite occasionally with my kids. I had no idea Fromsoft had put multiplayer in all their games. I thought I was buying a single player RPG.
Just know. You can truly roll play and become an amazing challenge for other players and their friends by creating an interesting invader build. Pick a castle and protect it from the tarnished for example. The desire to do this seeps into players over time. Its peak souls gameplay AND lore if you ask me.
@@TheCohesiveGarage I've been playing for over two and a half years, I think I'd be interested in multiplayer by now. I get that it's part of Fromsoft tradition, but it's not appealing to me at all. I tried everything except the Coliseums and being summoned to help. Even the in-game invasions are annoying. Especially like Edgar and Varre who I've already met multiple times in reality, but have to teleport to and from different dimensions to fight them. It doesn't make any sense.
@@jasongriffin1517 Sure, It's not for everyone. But that's another reason why it's fkin awesome.
@@TheCohesiveGarage I get why others like it. The random and chaotic nature of the fights. It just doesn't appeal to me. I'm a collector, not a competitor. Give me more stuff, not bragging rights. I don't care if my build, skills, or internet speed is better than anyone else's. I'm glad other people like it, I know it's what keeps these games alive years after launch. Hopefully they'll continue to update and add things to PvP to keep everyone else interested.
"Tacked on afterthought" is like verbatim in the community. Personally, I think it holds less water than what people believe. As a counter example, take the DLC incantation Roar of Rugalea, a tool that featured in the reveal trailer and that certainly got noticed, including lore-wise. Well, I found out, as did a lot of other people, that this incantation was disappointingly mediocre - a "tacked on" thing with all the oomph and little of the utility; another stupid tool in massive game with a fair share of stupid tools that require more effort than they produce results... And then a month later or so Fromsoft turns it into potentially the most abusive aoe in the same, a wide-room crowd control tool for 14 fth. And if you build for it? Wow, yeah.
So, it's one thing for you to find little of substance in online functionality, but it's another all together to suggest Fromsoft has "tacked on" mechanics, because if we care about nuance that potential list of dubious mechanics starts adding up like crazy in both ways. And if what you don't personally like is "tacked on", I assure you there's plenty of people who will say that about things you personally enjoy in ER. Just go ahead and mention spirit ashes and see how it burns like a forest fire in the community.
That first fight was mad epic. Maybe i should do pvp at lower levels 🧐
Question what if you don't have the dlc and get put up against someone that does
Sane Ryan mentioned
PvP in ER is almost worth all the bs once you find that one fun niche. I’ve been having a lot of fun with Bloody Dane’s Footwork at very high levels
I enjoy casual pvp in most types of games (even Elden Ring) because its a unique challenge to figure out how to overcome because baiting a boss to do something is completely different from baiting a player. My issue overall is the mentality and playstyle of most of the invaders I come across: "look at me! I can spam all day and when I get punished I'm gonna run and hide behind pve enemies and pester you so you're forced to deal with me quickly or deal with me whittling down your resources on the way to whatever your goal is" ect. ect. Its more annoying than it is angering in my eyes. I only have so much time to play so having my time wasted by some dickhead specifically here to waste said time and be annoying isn't exactly fun to me. Thankfully pvp comes naturally to me and I have a thing for numbers so my fun comes from kicking the shit out of those type of invaders with my own planning, skill, and cooperation with my host and occasionally deuling an invader that seems like a good sport. The problem is you have to determine quickly what kinda invader you got with how powerful twinks can be, certain ash of war spam, latency, lag, and how quickly you can stack buffs to setup a oneshot build or you can treat every invader with a "on sight" mentality which I'm leaning more towards now adays because more often then not the invaders are trolls in my experience. My recommendation for anyone who wants to get better at pvp or just doesn't like dealing with invaders:
Instead of just spamming *insert ash of war here* or *insert the same 3 spells or incantations here* watch someone like "Chase the bro" who's unnaturally good at pvp, is generally very good spirited about the whole thing, and breaks down WHY he's using what he does and how to take advantage of it then try to apply the same knowledge and mentality to when you have to deal with an invader. You may find they're way easier to put down than you think and you'll generally get better at dealing with them so you're less frustrated when annoying ones show up. Alternatively, "everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" so learn to read an invaders movements to figure out how they're gonna try and put you down and counter that instead of looking up an "OP pvp build" and just copy pasting what they use. Plus, you can always just throw boulders at all your problems. I mean, who's gonna stop you? The Boulder is already in flight.
So when someone doesn’t walk into your three person blender like an honorable soldier there “annoying” lmao
@Lilacropolis I stated very specifically spamming and just running to hide behind pve when you get punished for playing bad was annoying. I don't have an issue with invaders as a whole, just how most of them act. Typically when I'm summoned there's only 2 of us and no blues so your 3 man blender comment is stupid inherently because you're making assumptions instead of using simple reading comprehension skills. And just a cherry on top the average player wouldn't do the standard 3 man spamfest and gank squad shenanigans if invaders weren't so annoying to deal with in the first place so maybe instead of making assumptions you should look into a perspective shift and be open to the idea that people can think for themselves and see things differently from you. :)
Okay but your main point about souls games having easy access to pvp via L2 spam or some equivalent only apples to Elden ring. That does not translate to ds1-3 without a good amount of research and twinking
It's really hard to enjoy PvP when THIS 0:23 is happening all the time, even if they somehow manage to balance all the broken stuff (something impossible at this point) it will always be tolerable at best
I was good at dark souls 3 PVP and invasion AND they were very fun! Just watched a clip of myself getting 5 consecutive kills in a fight club. I do not enjoy elden ring pvp nor am I good at it lol
I enjoy playing with silly builds and don’t care if I die. I laugh out loud when people teabag me. Who cares, it’s a game that lets me cosplay as anyone I want. After doing it enough, I’m getting good and able to hold my own against sweaty builds. That’s fun. Kinda over getting one or 2 shot by spark aromatic though
Love using the taunters tongue for my twink character and an invader got mad and said i was ruining the game, but how i see it is i get to have fun duels that aren't won by relying on a cooperater and i love how respectable invaders get when they see an honerable duel
(If you want to get into invasions i personally find rl 50 +8 being a good spot your character stats are hefty enough to progress the game and your stats are low enough to not invade end game level characters and be destroyed by endgame spells)
If an invader wanted to duel they would just go to arena not against someone that can rune arc and has double flasks
Flask relocation is what I like to do, but I doubt everyone the same
Just anyone? No. Absolutely not. Low level pvp is probably your best chance however.
The game has always lacked important combat feedback when playing online even in coop. This problem dates back to the very first souls game ever made. (Yes yes I am talking about latency and bad netcode, but I am wording it in a way that frames the problem with pvp accessibility.)
When you need to look at a guide to know what latency and lag looks like, just to be able to play somewhat competently, and in order to be able to appropriately judge enemy distance, that's a lack of important combat feedback/information/tells. Especially where so much of pvp is action and reaction, you need that information and feedback to make a proper decision on countering or other aspects of a fight.
Can't learn and improve from your mistakes when death comes in often incomprehensible ways. Say what you want but pvp without a shadow of a doubt has its barriers to access.
based casual pvp enjoyer
Yea I like ER invasion and pvp. The older allegiances mechanics made it a bit more fun in the old souls games, but I like the build variety now. So much imbalance ironically brings balance to the pvp since there is no longer one or two annoying AF metas. There is a lot of ways to beat the cheese youtube builders. You can beat the try hards much easier than in past souls games, which is key for me because I just like the rpg theatricality of it. As im typing this I’m hearing the rest of your video and yea, my sentiments exactly. ER pvp is better for the rpg’ers, worse for the try hards, which is excellent in my book.
This game reward build more than skill this the main issue.
Then you talk about skill guys think about spacing management when u have a PvP which reward build and passiv gameplay it's mean the issue IS structural.
When u have AoW which do more dmg than parry or backstab you couldn't excpect anything about ballance.
Finally when u had a good basis PvP like dks2 thanks to the mechanics which have been implemented like super parry animation cancelling iFrame on backstep making passiv and agressiv playstyle viable and you see that the studio has thrown everything in the garbrage you understand that there is nothing more to expect from FS
You can optimize your build to instakllI with ripostes, thing is nobody bothers with parrying in this game because PC anticheat adds up to 100ms latency, this combined with jump attacks and some weapons straight up being unparryable completely makes the risk much greater than reward.
What? They literally improved on most of the mechanics, also this game has a talisman that gives i-frames on backstep now. Main issue is the overtuned damage on ashes of war and regular moveset of weapons that already have meta moveset.
Where are super parry animation cancelling?
Where IS reverse Roll?guard breack(u need AoW).
Come on man be serious it seems like you don't even know what you're talking about.
You talk about iFrame Indeed u need to use talisman but the drawbacks IS you take 15% more damage.
They blow u with manga animation's AoW and that was enough to make you believe that the game is richer than dark souls 2😂😂😂😂
@@zarakikenpachi448 There's multiple types of parrying including spell and projectile parrying and jump attacks, ER is objectively the richest build variety ever was in souls.
@@anitaremenarova6662 😂😂😂😂 parry spell begun with dks.
I was talking about mechanics you talk about build your message show u don't understand nothing u are unable to do the difference between build and mechanics.
You could have a lot of build with a truly poor gameplay liké ER
@@zarakikenpachi448 Ah yes, ranged parry and projectile parry definitely existed there lmfao I'm talking about carian retaliation btw.
Bro has a terminal case of nostalgia, ER mechanics are perfect it's other things that make it terrible not this.
🙄 I dislike PVP and prefer cooperative play without invasions and I assist others and just deal with invaders and lose more often than I win even with the odds supposedly in my favor. It is what it is…
Short answer no.
Main culprit being atrocious netcode and average connection (particularly on pc), terrible balancing.
People play ER pvp only because there is nothing else new in this niche.
Are you interested in a sponsorship? You do thoughtful Elden Ring PVP opinion videos, and we sell gaming laptops bundled with Elden Ring, so it might be a good fit. I've emailed you with further details.
Thanks, Jon. I’m going to be on the road, so I’ll have to watch later
No. Its broken af either youre overwhelmed in 3 v1 or youre overtuned for the genuine pve'rs. You dont feel good winning or losing in these scenarios unless you win the 3v1
>Invaders are always outnumbered
Except when they aren't because they are picking the best grief spots with OP mobs to hide and run into. Or intentionally invading around world & mini bosses to catch players mid fight and grief them.
Why are most grieving invaders so dishonest about their tactics?
Running into mobs or choosing bottleneck spots is a good tactic. It's why it's so infuriating to be on the bad end of. I think, though, it's helpful to remember invaders are not a monolith. And what one does has no say on what another chooses to do. I got no control where my invasions occur personally and can end up anywhere. And it's why I need to customize my toolkit to the best of my ability to function in any kind of battlefield or terrain/deal with whatever set up I may encounter. I note a lot of hosts for example neglected ranged attack options of any kind, and leave an easy to exploit vulnerability by only going melee/short range attacks.
You'd need to find someone who does on purpose do that and ask them for more direct answers. Heck if I know how other invaders think or behave. Outside of this kind of RUclips sphere, I never speak to anyone who does them, nor know any invaders. There is no tea party for invaders to exchange secrets over. So it's less dishonesty, and more "heck if I know what those other reds be thinking. I can barely understand it myself when 2v2s happen." I'd note though that sometimes invasions take a good 2-5 minutes to get going, so by the time an invader arrives they are looking for action and not there to play nice or goof around. Catching a host and company fighting a strong mob or boss is more akin to "ah, cool. That makes this a lot easier."
@@videocrowsnest5251 I played all the Souls games and 90% of the time invaders are grieving trolls. I get an "honorable" invader that will straight up fight once in a blue moon. And yes, you can choose roughly where to invade. You can use the near function and look at where multiplayer is occurring on the map in Elden Ring. With some experience & knowledge it is pretty easy to find spots for invasions that benefit the griever greatly.
Hosts are not using range (jar canon/bows) because it mostly sucks in PVE. Which is the reason grieving invaders exploit it, knowing that most everyone they invade will not be spec'd to counter it. And acting like invaders don't have all kinds of places online, like RUclips & Reddit, where they have built communities around sharing invasion grieving strategies is incredibly disingenuous. The level of dishonesty about what most of them are and what they do that I see out of the invader(griever) community is astounding.
I actually set up gank squads with buddies to troll the grievers and 9/10 they will quit out when they see people are ready for them, they have no mobs to run into, and are outnumbered. I will even give one a fair fight, 1v1, if they follow the proper honorifics.. But that rarely ever happens. Because the vast majority of reds are cowards who don't want a fair fight.
Lastly, running an hiding in mobs from a pvp interaction you forced other players to have may be a "good tactic" for the griever, but it's scummy & annoying. I have invaded myself occasionally in Elden Ring and past Fromsoft games just out of boredom. I don't use griever tactics like running, hiding in mobs, jumping hosts mid fight or other nonsense intended to frustrate and troll co-op players. I also can never get over the feeling of scummyness that I have when invading.. Knowing I forced myself into someone's game that's just trying to have fun and not wanting to deal with me.
@@videocrowsnest5251 Well, I had a thoughtful nuanced reply to make.. But RUclips doesn't allow those now, I guess? Got deleted a half dozen times.. I will try again later if I'm not too frustrated with the unnecessary censorship on this platform.
@@HailEarendil If you want honorable fights go to the arena, invaders don't have to conform to your demands lmfao
@@HailEarendil I hear you. It's downright frustrating how since...certain US related recent events, the youtube moderator bots got turned up to be overzealous. Deleting perfectly harmless comments left, right and center just cause it can't tell the difference and seem to be about as good at telling harmful content from harmless content as Star Wars B1 battledroids would be. It especially likes to target thoughtful, nuanced replies, while letting blatant no no stuff through just fine.
cmon jon youre underselling yourself.. not the best sure but a good invader definietly. in more ways than one. and in my book, this means you join the hall of fame over any sweatlord
You give me too much credit! I am but a humble yapper fighting for my life.
No.
You can try to convince people all you want. I get where you're coming from. I had to watch Runescape PvP die and I tried to sway people like you are. But the pvp scene was doomed from the start. Even DS3 pvp was a fraction of the casuals
My problem with the pvp is that it feels like rock paper scissors. I come in with a build and the enemy hotswaps to a build that denies me any chance at a win. I come in with a sword and shield and they swap to a UGS and mash out of hitstun. I pull out a dagger to poke between their swings and they offhand a cleanrot sword to poke me back with more damage. If I did somehow start out-damaging them at this point they'll just run away spamming a ranged attack and using flaming strike any time i get close.
My problem is that I don't feel like I'm playing against a person using their skills, I'm just switching between counters as they hotswap through every meta build in the game until they find one that I can't counter with my build. It's rock paper scissors. I don't want to carry a dagger with kick for shield poke builds. I don't want to carry a dagger to counter hyperarmor on basic R1s. I don't want to carry a buckler to parry SwiftRiversofmoonveilwhateverthefuck. I don't want to carry around 30 counters just to have a chance. It's lame and why I stopped playing.
If you think sword and board has no chance to win against UGS then there is a different issue
@@Lilacropolis Ikr? Sword and board counters UGS, you block an attack then guard counter which knocks them out of their HA even if they're rocking the most poise possible. This guy also thinks you need a dagger to hit in-between UGS attacks, looks like someone needs to learn to play the game instead of complaining.
@@anitaremenarova6662 They will just roll the guard counter (it's one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game) and then we're back to square 1, perhaps with status buildup if they had some. Not to mention blocking a colossal is very high risk. One guard break and it's death.
The problem is that this isn't a counter this is a stalemate. And your sole method of attack has been reduced to guard counters and your enemy can use whatever they like. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You use a counter and the best you can hope for is a fight where you have to play absolutely perfectly and your opponent just has to play not terrible.
@@Violet_fykshyn They physically can't roll anything, neutral UGS R1 chain has too many recovery frames for that which means they're still stuck in the animation as they get hit. If you're having trouble with the timing use deflecting hardtear, it completely removes the stagger animation from blocking large hits. If you're using a shield you need a proper build for it, not having enough stamina and at least one AoW/talisman that increases guard boost is an issue on your part not the game's.
Again, you hit them for a solid chunk of damage AND interrupt their attack while they are unable to dodge. That's the definition of a counter, if they keep mindlessly mashing R1 you'll guardcounter them to death. If even that's too difficult for you go for shield bash, you literally can't be guard broken during it. You've sufficiently proven you have no skill so either hone your basics or switch to meta weapons instead of blaming the game for your own shortcomings.
*dedicates time ro getting gud in coleseum*
*Dude aith mcdonalds wifi procs %50+ of my bleed bar from 10 feet away while moon walking*
*Uses merikas mischeif and goes afk*
Also for practice for getting good at invasions the 2v2 and 2v3 coleswums would be a great training ground. Your rando teamate dies and then you get to practice a 2v1 for a brieef second. As anotjer user said though, nobody does 2v2 or 3v3 because nobody wants a fair fight. I hope the seamlwss coop mod can save this game. Maybe add covenants some how/ increase online player limit.
Jon when u gonna hop on deepwoken?
I'll be honest, I don't know what that is
i have 2k hours in elden ring im not swapping to win im swapping because its funny and im bored
when it comes to noobs spamming the same shit over and over take notes from the fighting game community: even though spamming is effective it can be curbed by a good opponent who uses actual timing and moves its adaptable
Yep, many of the powerful attacks in the game are nothing but knowledge checks.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Not when you couple it with Fromsoft's ancient netcode.
Please put more points into vigor and learn how to roll catch better.
I definitely need to git gud
Good vid keep yapping
albinauric pots. Keep it on the D low.
I can tolerate it lol
just return to ds2-3 lol
Short answer: No.
Sad the say this, but after years of playing souls game and over a thousand hours of elden ring... I'm.. actually....... Going back to FPS games 🤢🤮🤮🤮
It's really not that hard to understand, John: git gud, or git gon
Naa, pvp isn't gonna get any better just accept it, ass mush I enjoy this broken game, Once I am done with DLC I will move on.
Hey man I like your vids but please .. the edge walk after winning an invasion .. stop it man 🤡
Can Anyone Enjoy Elden Ring PVP? NO!
I did everything you said in the video and even more and found no pleasure, it's just a bad design of the online module everything has flaws nothing is at a stage that is acceptable.
Online is unnecessary, bad and forced in this game. The argument that there are missions that encourage pvp is invalid because the missions in this game are bad in many ways, there is no way to defend that.
Excellent video
I just don't play anymore. Half of the things wrong with the game are things you can't fix. We don't need 300 useless weapons and items, we don't need 300 of the same boss, we don't need 15 year old netcode: We need a game developer that actually cares about making a good game for their core audience.
What?!?
“Core audience” - like the souls games were ever primarily intended for pvp!
IMO Fromsoft excels at making an exploration and combat-based pve experience with the pvp aspect being mostly a jumbled mess, to be “fixed” later with patches. I don’t expect them to focus on pvp because that’s not the focus of the game, clearly!
Hey jon, do you have a twitter or discord? Id like to dm you
I do have discord under emotionaljonxvx but you can also shoot me an email through emotionaljonxvx at gmail
I dont really care anyone can play whichever build thay want but if they use a cheesy build or are just a mediocre player they cant claim that they are good its just undermining someone's elses practice and i think its rude. To claim to be good you have to git gud that all i care about
Also i like winning🥸