For folks asking about the routing: I worked on this, by myself, for about a week. I was working on other things at the same time, so this took me a couple hours every day, up to maybe 20 hours total. And the routing itself is not very "high tech." Really just a bunch of trial and error. Each Ante starts with a "scouting phase" in which I try to spend as much money as possible to see as much stuff as possible (Booster contents and the shop queue). Once I know what's available/possible, I decide what actions to take and then move onto the next Ante.
@@serbianbossman I answered this elsewhere, but it's for the memes, basically. 5's would score about twice as much compared to 2's, but e117 is close enough to the same as e116. Sock and Buskin, instead of Hack, for retriggered Face Cards is also possible. I wasn't necessarily going for the highest score, just a high enough score.
Chips went from 160 base to 280 at the end of scoring -> 60 triggers. Using Kings, the score would be 760 chips, equating to another ~2,7x mult. Total would come out to 1,72e117 - more, but very small relatively speaking.
One last optimizantion would be to not sell the brainstorm for the first ankh for the chance to copy it before it gets destroyed giving the ability to balance mults and retriggers instead of being forced to the most left like brainstorm
The amount of times he uses temperance into fool into temperance into fool etc. reminds me of "I USE POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO PLAY ANOTHER POT OF GREED"
I cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast pickpocket on you, stealing 50% of your total money. Your turn :)
This is super awesome to watch. The optimization pieces that are possible in seeded runs are mind blowing. It would be really cool to see the whole process, meaning see you work a seed once you find one, turning it into a record or whatever you might want.
I was thinking the same thing. Really makes me wonder what the whole process of planning these runs out. Would love to watch even a multi-hour video on the process.
This whole video is pretty funny because it feels like a time loop movie where you actually predict when a waiter will trip and a glass breaks. Balatro day 😂
Turns a risk optimization game into just an optimization game where you know the tools on hand and you just try to find a way to best utilize them instead of being careful and taking subpar tools for the sake of safety. A surprisingly interesting fun way to play the game I’m ashamed to never have thought of
i had always been a bit anti-seeded runs until i discovered the unbelievable limits you have pushed the game with seeded runs. i still don’t think i’ll ever end up trying to map a seed but seeing you work your magic is truly unbelievable
yeah I know what you mean seeded runs often feel a bit like "cheating" but really what seeding does is use a whole different set of skills and allows for unbelievable limit-testing in games
@@a.v.y8331 don't know if I'd agree that it uses a different skill set... it just takes the risk out of everything. Like if you knew what everything would do before you did it because theoretically you could if you spent enough time... it's just the decision space is astronomically large. I mean don't get me wrong, it can be interesting to watch an unhinged play when you do know what's going to happen, but it turns something that is akin to problem solving into just an optimization puzzle. And I use the term puzzle loosely as it has more to do with scanning through the possible decisions vs solving something that's designed. Like I dunno the other skill set that it feels like is used is just persistence.
Hard agree on seeded and unseeded being very different skills. In unseeded, when you don't know what's coming but you can express skill by knowing what you *could* get and play to your outs for the best, most likely outcomes. But with seed scouting you have to have a serious amount of dedication to know that rolling 90 times in a certain ante will get you a certain joker. This is the first non-endless highscore i'm watching and i'm blown away by how much planning you had to do
From a storytelling perspective, showing me the final hand to start really kept me engaged to figure out how you could possibly get there. That was crazy!
I definitely agree with the "different skills" opinion. It all comes down to optimization vs reaction and both require a lot of knowledge and brain power. Also that final hand is absolutely insane
always a treat to see a "high power" (for lack of a better phrase) demonstration from the prof, not to say that the regular lectures aren't riveting! 💜
Seeded runs like this are great, I get the same enjoyment out of it as I would watching a TAS. The hyperoptimisation to reach a goal like this is awesome. I don't really care as much for seeded runs where the jokers you want all appear within the first few ante's, and you're able to cruise to the end of the run. At that point you're just playing with training wheels.
I love seeded runs because it shows you the true potential of the game and of some strategies that may take way too long to find and maximize in a random seed.
grinding a handful of hours to beat jokerless seems laughable now considering how long I imagine it takes to find and map record viable seeds… you’re insane and I thank you for that
Wow this is crazy, well done. Gave me a thought .. I'd love to see a "seed optimization" competition where players are given a random seed to work with and have X amount of time to submit the highest score/ante
I figured there'd be some sort of completely insane playthrough of this game out there, great fun to see it all broken down with commentary like this! When the legendary joker dupe plus temperance is in hand, you can already feel that this one's going somewhere crazy.
I'm too lazy to optimise seeded runs but I was mad I lost a unseeded run that had 2 Poly DNA's, with the Baron, Mime and Brainstorm, so I reran it to overcome the boss that beat me and went on a tear :D Sad I couldn't do it on the inital unseeded run but hey ho. Great job on having the will to path it out.
You know, I commented on the Endless cap about the nature of numbers and how even the 10^308 score the game treats as infinity is, well... infinitely far away from infinity and in reality "no closer than my Deuce High Card" for a handful of chips. Well, haha. I guess you wanted a stronger High Card 2. Can't wait to see how we escape numbers before we escape Ante 8.
This might be a terrible idea, but I would like to see you going through the process of routing a seed. What information you track, what you're looking for, etc. When you're describing rerolling the shop thirty or ninety times to find the jokers you want... something about that appeals to me to see it be discovered. Obviously routing the whole thing might be impractical to record, but the first few antes would help us learn how to do it ourselves.
I was going to make some Mama Liz's Chili Oil joke but I'm dumbfounded by that final play... absolutely BONKERS. Thanks for the knowledge and the spectacle! :)
Im curious to know how long it took you to research this seed. Did you do it alone? How many runs did you do? How much time did it take? Amazing vid so far, im 40 mins in :)
10 minutes after finishing the video I can still hear the scoring sound in my head! what!! amazing video i was amazed by the "I happen to know X" I was like... how exactly did he happen to learn all rerolls and all the packs lol
just started playing and this video is brilliant because you explain everything and how you got there and i learnt so much from watching this so a huge thanks from me. It's so refreshing seeing things and then going ohhh that's how you achieve that, ahhh that's what that does :) the issue of whether this is as good as someone who plays unseeded is mute because you are doing something very different that takes far longer and to work decks out by trail and error takes dedication and skill because you need all the knowledge of everything and then translate it into the best deck and scoring as you can, i mean just the management of the consumables to achieve outcomes is just a thing of beauty if you are a nerd like me. Learning that if you buy the discount it will reduce your temperance income is such a well I haven't been paying attention while playing have I lol.
"I did Polychrome 2 for the memes. Poly 5 gets you roughly twice as many points, but e117 is about the same as e116. Eternal Buskin is also possible for Face Cards instead of Hack for low cards." -mr university in a different comment
Bro got me “NOWAYING” the entire video. Seeded run? Sure okay but imagine the time and effort it took to find each and every path. The best part is I’m pretty sure this isn’t even Optimized for the seed’s Full potential score, which is crazy.
I wouldn't say that doing seeded runs takes less skill than a random one but I do find it infinitely less fun to know in advance what I'm getting; this is, as you said, just something different. If we were talking just about getting to ante 8 that would be a different story but I'd say this is not your usual Balatro run.
This run is no longer the high score on this update. On April 8, ortnick got naneinf by ante 8. However, the seed no longer has the exact same RNG because of the newest update.
For seeded runs, I'm assuming the positions of jokers/consumables don't matter when it comes to copying, only the order of purchase does? So in theory, when getting more than one unneeded consumable, correctly picking which one to sell will end up changing which other consumables get copied by Perkeo, is that correct?
Exactly. It's just super annoying when you have 20+ consumables to 1) route which are the correct ones to sell and 2) mouse over them click the correct ones during the run.
For seeded vs unseeded skills, I see it as TAS creators vs regular speedrunners. First knows ins and outs of the game, the code, the very fabric of the game, and can create mesmerizing things over time studying. While the latter doesn't know the game quite as well, but has better quick time decision making and execution
Big apologies if this question is answered later in the video, but I have to know: why polychrome 2 instead of 5 for the extra chips? Again, sorry if later you get a joker that specifically needs 2, I'll probably delete this comment if that happens
I did Polychrome 2 for the memes. Poly 5 gets you roughly twice as many points, but e117 is about the same as e116. Eternal Buskin is also possible for Face Cards instead of Hack for low cards.
how does the procedural randomness in balatro work, the standard packs in particular? Does opening standard packs change the content of other standard packs? Do they get blocked if there is a playing card that would appear in the pack in the shop? also: 27:55 - "We want to maximize the chance that perkeo gives us immolate." Can the consumable that gets copied be manipulated?
I wonder if you can control which consumable perkeo will be copying. Maybe the order of consumbles matter? If so I think you can make pretty huge optimizations
Lots of different skills indeed in Balatro... Skill needed to beat challenges is even yet another third skill... I spent 4 days until i got a good seed for the jokerless, but recognizing what is good is not easy... In the first few dozen runs i was just fumbling around
Imagine you copied a 5 from the beginning instead lol, the chips woulda done some work haha. Still would've added very little compared to 1x10^116 lmfao. That was a sick run, great optimization Dr.Spectred
Challenge idea for pvp content: give all players the same new random seed, and they have to produce the best non-engame score with X time of preparation
One small thing I noticed about your run. At 16:45 you used one temperance sold your egg and still had temperances left. The temperances were worth $41 at this point. But then at 21:16 , you used all your temperances for $38. It would have been better to use all temperances initially, unless you wanted to copy one, in which case you still leave one. But you still were better off using your temperances before selling your egg knowing you will be using them next turn regardless.
I've had it brewing for a while, but he was the first to do it. He made copies of all one Joker, DNA, whereas here I was going for two synergistic Jokers. On this seed, you can get Eternal Dusk and Buskin but not Eternal Idol. Eternal Mime but not Eternal Baron.
Seeded runs are still very impressive. It's similar to routing out a speedrun, there's a lot of fun in that. Is there a seed parser or gamelog that you can use to figure out the rng of the run, or did you do this via trial and error? I'm also curious, what affects rng in this game? Can your rng manipulate future shops, or card orders by playing different hands in previous blinds in the same ante (or different ante even)? Does rerolling shops affect card order as well as the shop queue for that ante? I'd love to know if there's a list that describes this somewhere.
Incredibly cool video to watch. Im just interested, at 1:05:17 could you not have used the strength card to turn it into a 3? it would still be retriggered by Hack and you would recieve 60 extra chips that would be multiplied by that mult. was there a reason this wasnt done?
Hey could you include a little list of unlocked jokers used/needed in your runs. I was replaying your run and realised 20 mins deep that I didn't have a joker because I didn't unlock it yet. Otherwise great video thank you very much for all the hours spend finding and perfecting these runs!
It would have to be eternal, which is not possible as only shop jokers (or those bought in packs as well) otherwise it copies one perkeo and destroys the one it does not copy
Each increase in the last card's rank would add 55 chips to the final score; so if it were: 5: you'd end on 445 chips instead of 280, 1.08e117 4: 8.83e116 3: 7.59e116 It's not substantial, but it's also not *nothing*
Just curious about the strategy at 7:00 since it confused me: wouldn’t it make more sense to buy cryptid, then buy devil, then open arcana, make gold, use cryptid, then use the death card? and then to get egg use temperance since you’re just going to get another one back anyways. I’m not sure if buying cryptid there messes with the cycle, but if it doesn’t im curious why you didn’t choose to do that.
In the moment, I didn't want to add more cards to the deck. After using all the Immolates, the difference between having 8 cards left and 10 cards left is kind of a big deal when your hand size is 2.
@@drspectredcompletely makes sense. I had only just started the video so now as i’m going along a bit it’s coming together much better. awesome video and great job on this by the way :)
So weird to run across a random YT channel with wacky high IQ vibes This the kinda dude who can fold a paper in half hamburger style and line the edges up to within the width of a bacteria, then unfold it and do it again the other way
just curious but what accent is it that makes it so that you emphasize the 'e' in eternal so much? Not making fun of you or anything. Just not something I've heard before.
Naturally, I mumble a lot when I talk. When "teaching," I make a conscience effort to enunciate more. As a consequence, I end up overcompensating often, as with "eternal."
You could actually go for infinite jokers by using the eternal certificate that pops up on ante 3. So regardless of hand size, it'll always guarentee you a card in hand
![First Ever Chips Only *Gold Stake* without Plasma (ft. A Massive Wee [Joker])](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/izqD26lKa5A/mqdefault.jpg)
For folks asking about the routing:
I worked on this, by myself, for about a week. I was working on other things at the same time, so this took me a couple hours every day, up to maybe 20 hours total. And the routing itself is not very "high tech." Really just a bunch of trial and error. Each Ante starts with a "scouting phase" in which I try to spend as much money as possible to see as much stuff as possible (Booster contents and the shop queue). Once I know what's available/possible, I decide what actions to take and then move onto the next Ante.
sweet vid. why choose 2s for your deck and not 5s or something?
@@serbianbossman I answered this elsewhere, but it's for the memes, basically. 5's would score about twice as much compared to 2's, but e117 is close enough to the same as e116. Sock and Buskin, instead of Hack, for retriggered Face Cards is also possible. I wasn't necessarily going for the highest score, just a high enough score.
@@drspectredwould it really change that much? Your chips are already so high by base
Chips went from 160 base to 280 at the end of scoring -> 60 triggers.
Using Kings, the score would be 760 chips, equating to another ~2,7x mult.
Total would come out to 1,72e117 - more, but very small relatively speaking.
One last optimizantion would be to not sell the brainstorm for the first ankh for the chance to copy it before it gets destroyed giving the ability to balance mults and retriggers instead of being forced to the most left like brainstorm
“How bout you let me cook and at the end tell me whether or not you were impressed”
real as fuck
bro got me wet with that
Coldest shit I heard in my life
I was indeed impressed by the meal he cooked🥵
I cringed when I heard that tbh
@@Crawdoodle that makes sense most people are scared of fire
The amount of times he uses temperance into fool into temperance into fool etc. reminds me of "I USE POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO PLAY ANOTHER POT OF GREED"
I cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast pickpocket on you, stealing 50% of your total money. Your turn :)
@@jc_art_is that from a game, or did you come up with it? Googling gets me no results
@@jc_art_ For my next turn I play [Insert spell that deals damage based on money]
@@NeonValkyrieGaming the.. betrayal!.. how.. could you..?
*dies*
24:05 "I happen to know that if I use 8 Wheels on this seed, all 8 of them do nothing."
me irl
Normal wheel behavior.
possibility of wheel working and banana joker breaking is the same
@@장재윤-z1p that's what the government wants you to think
will not stop me from trying every wheel I find
@@장재윤-z1p You say this like your banana doesn't always break on the first round.
Haters will say it"s seeded.
balatro is good
@@arrowobnuh uh
@@arrowob hater spotted
@@arrowobr/whoosh
Wouldn’t that mean he’s hating on himself lmao
This is super awesome to watch. The optimization pieces that are possible in seeded runs are mind blowing. It would be really cool to see the whole process, meaning see you work a seed once you find one, turning it into a record or whatever you might want.
minecraft youtuber cheetahhh??
I was thinking the same thing. Really makes me wonder what the whole process of planning these runs out. Would love to watch even a multi-hour video on the process.
The whole process of trial and error is very boring, i know because i try before in a game call gumbal and dungeon
This whole video is pretty funny because it feels like a time loop movie where you actually predict when a waiter will trip and a glass breaks. Balatro day 😂
Also super impressive must have taken a pretty good amount of time to route this high of a score
Turns a risk optimization game into just an optimization game where you know the tools on hand and you just try to find a way to best utilize them instead of being careful and taking subpar tools for the sake of safety. A surprisingly interesting fun way to play the game I’m ashamed to never have thought of
It's not your fault the game locks its true fun behind RNG you can't control in a 'real' run
i had always been a bit anti-seeded runs until i discovered the unbelievable limits you have pushed the game with seeded runs. i still don’t think i’ll ever end up trying to map a seed but seeing you work your magic is truly unbelievable
yeah I know what you mean seeded runs often feel a bit like "cheating" but really what seeding does is use a whole different set of skills and allows for unbelievable limit-testing in games
@@a.v.y8331 It's like a TAS for speedruns. It's a different skillset but still impressive in its own right.
@@a.v.y8331 don't know if I'd agree that it uses a different skill set... it just takes the risk out of everything. Like if you knew what everything would do before you did it because theoretically you could if you spent enough time... it's just the decision space is astronomically large. I mean don't get me wrong, it can be interesting to watch an unhinged play when you do know what's going to happen, but it turns something that is akin to problem solving into just an optimization puzzle. And I use the term puzzle loosely as it has more to do with scanning through the possible decisions vs solving something that's designed.
Like I dunno the other skill set that it feels like is used is just persistence.
Hard agree on seeded and unseeded being very different skills. In unseeded, when you don't know what's coming but you can express skill by knowing what you *could* get and play to your outs for the best, most likely outcomes. But with seed scouting you have to have a serious amount of dedication to know that rolling 90 times in a certain ante will get you a certain joker. This is the first non-endless highscore i'm watching and i'm blown away by how much planning you had to do
From a storytelling perspective, showing me the final hand to start really kept me engaged to figure out how you could possibly get there. That was crazy!
Crazy?
I was crazy once
I’ve never seen a seeded balatro run before, this seems super interesting. Reminds me of minecraft seeded runs, as well as TAS tactics.
Yeah, this feels like the A-button challenge for Poker.
I definitely agree with the "different skills" opinion. It all comes down to optimization vs reaction and both require a lot of knowledge and brain power. Also that final hand is absolutely insane
Now this is a certified hood classic
Underrated comment 😂
I love this, please do more seeded runs in the future! The optimizations are so cool and you’d never see them elsewhere
always a treat to see a "high power" (for lack of a better phrase) demonstration from the prof, not to say that the regular lectures aren't riveting! 💜
I love how many potential records there are for this game, if i had the ability to record id definitely shoot for a few of them myself!
OBS is a free recording software, you can easily record even on a crap laptop
Somebody buy this man a Perkeo body pillow! Just kidding. What a delight it is to have someone work this out and show us along the way
honestly im just mind blown you had the time to design this run alongside all the other videos you do!
Your videos are so relaxing and interesting to me, keep doing what you're doing 🔥
I really appreciate this seed run, it’s almost like a little glimpse inside how your brain works. This if awesome, thank you.
Video idea: generate a random seed and try to optimize it to get the maximum score possible (meanwhile you show us how you optimize seeds)
that would be sick
Seeded runs like this are great, I get the same enjoyment out of it as I would watching a TAS. The hyperoptimisation to reach a goal like this is awesome.
I don't really care as much for seeded runs where the jokers you want all appear within the first few ante's, and you're able to cruise to the end of the run. At that point you're just playing with training wheels.
I love seeded runs because it shows you the true potential of the game and of some strategies that may take way too long to find and maximize in a random seed.
grinding a handful of hours to beat jokerless seems laughable now considering how long I imagine it takes to find and map record viable seeds… you’re insane and I thank you for that
Wow this is crazy, well done. Gave me a thought .. I'd love to see a "seed optimization" competition where players are given a random seed to work with and have X amount of time to submit the highest score/ante
well good news this is like an actual thing that is happening
there was a post about it in this channel's community tab the other day
i just wanna say i loved the video and its insane how much time you mustve put into this. super entertaining!
I can't even imagine how much work it takes to figure a whole seed out perfectly.
It’s rare to see someone so insanely good at something they do as you are, this blew my mind
Incredible run, an instant classic. Love seeing all the seeded run optimizations. A lot of skill and dedication on display!
I figured there'd be some sort of completely insane playthrough of this game out there, great fun to see it all broken down with commentary like this!
When the legendary joker dupe plus temperance is in hand, you can already feel that this one's going somewhere crazy.
Super insightful on how the seeding works. Really cool to see
I'm too lazy to optimise seeded runs but I was mad I lost a unseeded run that had 2 Poly DNA's, with the Baron, Mime and Brainstorm, so I reran it to overcome the boss that beat me and went on a tear :D Sad I couldn't do it on the inital unseeded run but hey ho. Great job on having the will to path it out.
Amazing run, you really are a professor of Balatro!! naninf on ante 8 would be insane to see!
the most well deserved 'but let me cook' I've ever seen
You know, I commented on the Endless cap about the nature of numbers and how even the 10^308 score the game treats as infinity is, well... infinitely far away from infinity and in reality "no closer than my Deuce High Card" for a handful of chips. Well, haha. I guess you wanted a stronger High Card 2.
Can't wait to see how we escape numbers before we escape Ante 8.
cant believe i just sat down and watched all of that, super interesting. best of luck on naneinf!
This might be a terrible idea, but I would like to see you going through the process of routing a seed. What information you track, what you're looking for, etc. When you're describing rerolling the shop thirty or ninety times to find the jokers you want... something about that appeals to me to see it be discovered. Obviously routing the whole thing might be impractical to record, but the first few antes would help us learn how to do it ourselves.
Would love that, I honestly can watch anything with his commentation
At this point, the biggest QoL would be a patch that lowers the intensity of the flame sounds lmao
NO
MAKE THEM BIGGER
I WANT MY WHOLE SCREEN TO BE IN FLAMES
No, dev better fix unskippable arcana selection.
Or a "Expand consumables area" toggle
@@Permafrost1 I WANNA GET CRISPY
that last hand was so satisfying to watch. brilliant work man, keep it up.
Great run! Excited to see your next seeded run
I was going to make some Mama Liz's Chili Oil joke but I'm dumbfounded by that final play... absolutely BONKERS. Thanks for the knowledge and the spectacle! :)
This is some serious technology.
I saw someone else play this seed to get naninf during endless
this run has a different objective, and it's still a great run! thanks for sharing
My evening just got so much better
the level of optimisation of this run is just amazing, seeded or not. wp.
13:58 was convinced you'd say "generally speaking the strategy is, always bet on banana"
I really appreciate the level of explanation -- just right.
Im curious to know how long it took you to research this seed. Did you do it alone? How many runs did you do? How much time did it take?
Amazing vid so far, im 40 mins in :)
10 minutes after finishing the video I can still hear the scoring sound in my head! what!! amazing video i was amazed by the "I happen to know X" I was like... how exactly did he happen to learn all rerolls and all the packs lol
just started playing and this video is brilliant because you explain everything and how you got there and i learnt so much from watching this so a huge thanks from me. It's so refreshing seeing things and then going ohhh that's how you achieve that, ahhh that's what that does :) the issue of whether this is as good as someone who plays unseeded is mute because you are doing something very different that takes far longer and to work decks out by trail and error takes dedication and skill because you need all the knowledge of everything and then translate it into the best deck and scoring as you can, i mean just the management of the consumables to achieve outcomes is just a thing of beauty if you are a nerd like me. Learning that if you buy the discount it will reduce your temperance income is such a well I haven't been paying attention while playing have I lol.
Maybe dumb question but wouldn’t strength be better at 1:05:22?
Still works with hack but with more chips. Or is there a reason to just stay with 2s?
"I did Polychrome 2 for the memes. Poly 5 gets you roughly twice as many points, but e117 is about the same as e116. Eternal Buskin is also possible for Face Cards instead of Hack for low cards." -mr university in a different comment
@@tiddly5thanks!
Awesome video, I find this so interesting to watch
I can't stop hearing or reading "Perkeo" as Perkele
I’ve been interested to see what you could do with some seeded runs. Idc what people say about seeded runs this is extremely impressive good job
Bro got me “NOWAYING” the entire video. Seeded run? Sure okay but imagine the time and effort it took to find each and every path. The best part is I’m pretty sure this isn’t even Optimized for the seed’s Full potential score, which is crazy.
It would have been *so* funny if at the end he just discarded the hand and lost the run, leaving everyone wanting to see the scoring
I wouldn't say that doing seeded runs takes less skill than a random one but I do find it infinitely less fun to know in advance what I'm getting; this is, as you said, just something different. If we were talking just about getting to ante 8 that would be a different story but I'd say this is not your usual Balatro run.
The scariest part about this run is that every step of it is workshopped to perfection. It should've taken a lot of effort
I’m a banker and I sleep with these videos on; I now find myself min maxing my mouse clicks and movements at work
This run is no longer the high score on this update. On April 8, ortnick got naneinf by ante 8. However, the seed no longer has the exact same RNG because of the newest update.
For seeded runs, I'm assuming the positions of jokers/consumables don't matter when it comes to copying, only the order of purchase does? So in theory, when getting more than one unneeded consumable, correctly picking which one to sell will end up changing which other consumables get copied by Perkeo, is that correct?
Exactly. It's just super annoying when you have 20+ consumables to 1) route which are the correct ones to sell and 2) mouse over them click the correct ones during the run.
Yes
For seeded vs unseeded skills, I see it as TAS creators vs regular speedrunners. First knows ins and outs of the game, the code, the very fabric of the game, and can create mesmerizing things over time studying. While the latter doesn't know the game quite as well, but has better quick time decision making and execution
Both are luck and repetition in this game to be fair
malf has blessed you with many olbaps
This was really strange to watch and I loved it.
Big apologies if this question is answered later in the video, but I have to know: why polychrome 2 instead of 5 for the extra chips? Again, sorry if later you get a joker that specifically needs 2, I'll probably delete this comment if that happens
Nope. Unanswered. I am now just confused.
Probably other jokers that had synergies with 2s or the first glass red seal he got was a two.
I did Polychrome 2 for the memes. Poly 5 gets you roughly twice as many points, but e117 is about the same as e116. Eternal Buskin is also possible for Face Cards instead of Hack for low cards.
@@davidaugustofc2574 your ass didn't even watch the damn video
Why are you apologising so much
seeing DNA in the final shop made me a little sad. Imagining a run with all these blueprints and brainstorms having DNA early would be so much fun
Trapped in a time loop until you figure out how to get the most insane high score ever
wow this is impressive, nice work there !
I'm just happy my GOAT the Ancient Joker was what made the record
I never played this game but as a person who loves optimizations its so entertaining!
Absolutely sick run
Blue chip: This is fine
Red multiplier: THIS IS FINE
how does the procedural randomness in balatro work, the standard packs in particular?
Does opening standard packs change the content of other standard packs?
Do they get blocked if there is a playing card that would appear in the pack in the shop?
also: 27:55 - "We want to maximize the chance that perkeo gives us immolate." Can the consumable that gets copied be manipulated?
It picks a random consumable. So if you have 4 copies of card A and 1 copy of card B, it's a 80% chance Perkeo gives you a new copy of card A.
I wonder if you can control which consumable perkeo will be copying. Maybe the order of consumbles matter? If so I think you can make pretty huge optimizations
Lots of different skills indeed in Balatro... Skill needed to beat challenges is even yet another third skill... I spent 4 days until i got a good seed for the jokerless, but recognizing what is good is not easy... In the first few dozen runs i was just fumbling around
oh my lord, that final hand sounded like a plane taking off
Imagine you copied a 5 from the beginning instead lol, the chips woulda done some work haha. Still would've added very little compared to 1x10^116 lmfao. That was a sick run, great optimization Dr.Spectred
Yeah it would have been a little less than twice as big
Violet boss: I am large
A single 2: Let me demonstrate a fraction of my power.
Challenge idea for pvp content: give all players the same new random seed, and they have to produce the best non-engame score with X time of preparation
One small thing I noticed about your run. At 16:45 you used one temperance sold your egg and still had temperances left. The temperances were worth $41 at this point. But then at 21:16 , you used all your temperances for $38. It would have been better to use all temperances initially, unless you wanted to copy one, in which case you still leave one. But you still were better off using your temperances before selling your egg knowing you will be using them next turn regardless.
If you use too many of the Temperances, Perkeo makes two copies of Ectoplasm instead of just one, and you lose out on a bunch of money that way.
@@drspectred Ah ok cool
bro took more notes on this one seed than i did in all of school 😂
Take a shot every time "I happen to know" is said, it's a deadly game
Amazing content my guy!
Your voice is very soothing
Just a quick question… did you get the ankh + ecto dupe strat from nanokami on discord?
I've had it brewing for a while, but he was the first to do it. He made copies of all one Joker, DNA, whereas here I was going for two synergistic Jokers. On this seed, you can get Eternal Dusk and Buskin but not Eternal Idol. Eternal Mime but not Eternal Baron.
@@drspectredeternal idol would be insane
this is some groundhog day stuff. gaining almost infinite mastery of a limited set you are able to infinitely control
Seeded runs are still very impressive. It's similar to routing out a speedrun, there's a lot of fun in that. Is there a seed parser or gamelog that you can use to figure out the rng of the run, or did you do this via trial and error?
I'm also curious, what affects rng in this game? Can your rng manipulate future shops, or card orders by playing different hands in previous blinds in the same ante (or different ante even)? Does rerolling shops affect card order as well as the shop queue for that ante? I'd love to know if there's a list that describes this somewhere.
he routed it himself
nothing rng is affected by what hand you play i think
Incredibly cool video to watch. Im just interested, at 1:05:17 could you not have used the strength card to turn it into a 3? it would still be retriggered by Hack and you would recieve 60 extra chips that would be multiplied by that mult. was there a reason this wasnt done?
Hey could you include a little list of unlocked jokers used/needed in your runs.
I was replaying your run and realised 20 mins deep that I didn't have a joker because I didn't unlock it yet.
Otherwise great video thank you very much for all the hours spend finding and perfecting these runs!
this is like Dr. Strange Vs Thanos - 50,000 posible futures
Hey I was following along but at 2:43 I keep getting a buffoon pack instead of an arcana pack so you know why this is happening? Thank you.
it was on an older version of the game
@@zumi_cxs damn. So seeds in general don’t work after too many updates just because various pieces of data got changed? That really sucks.
The EEEEEEternal pronunciation was brutal to listen to lmao
Super interesting so far, I'm not far in, but was there ever an argument for copying ankh with perkeo to make more perkeos?
interesting, i hadnt thought about this before and am now wondering too
actually, i dont think you can get eternal on legendaries
It would have to be eternal, which is not possible as only shop jokers (or those bought in packs as well) otherwise it copies one perkeo and destroys the one it does not copy
since the perkeo isnt eternal, you can only ankh it once
I love how helpful people are in Mr. University's comments, don't get to see community like this much anymore.
Does the +5 Chips times however many Hacks (plus one) from using Strength in the last Arcana pack make a meaningful difference to the final score?
Each increase in the last card's rank would add 55 chips to the final score; so if it were:
5: you'd end on 445 chips instead of 280, 1.08e117
4: 8.83e116
3: 7.59e116
It's not substantial, but it's also not *nothing*
Just curious about the strategy at 7:00 since it confused me: wouldn’t it make more sense to buy cryptid, then buy devil, then open arcana, make gold, use cryptid, then use the death card? and then to get egg use temperance since you’re just going to get another one back anyways. I’m not sure if buying cryptid there messes with the cycle, but if it doesn’t im curious why you didn’t choose to do that.
In the moment, I didn't want to add more cards to the deck. After using all the Immolates, the difference between having 8 cards left and 10 cards left is kind of a big deal when your hand size is 2.
@@drspectredcompletely makes sense. I had only just started the video so now as i’m going along a bit it’s coming together much better. awesome video and great job on this by the way :)
So weird to run across a random YT channel with wacky high IQ vibes
This the kinda dude who can fold a paper in half hamburger style and line the edges up to within the width of a bacteria, then unfold it and do it again the other way
r/oddlyspecific
just curious but what accent is it that makes it so that you emphasize the 'e' in eternal so much? Not making fun of you or anything. Just not something I've heard before.
Naturally, I mumble a lot when I talk. When "teaching," I make a conscience effort to enunciate more. As a consequence, I end up overcompensating often, as with "eternal."
@@drspectred understandable
You could actually go for infinite jokers by using the eternal certificate that pops up on ante 3.
So regardless of hand size, it'll always guarentee you a card in hand
Sadly the check for no cards in hand happens before Certificate procs, so you still die
This run is crazy. You should have held onto this for April 1st and then pretended it was an unseeded run.