SOLO HERO GEAR? Delves are changing WoW and the way we play it The War Within World of Warcraft
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Delves are coming to World of Warcraft in The War Within and along with them, World of Warcraft's Gearing system will be changed especially for solo players and players who do not raid or do mythic plus. This is a big switch from how things have been in the past and the way PvP, Raiding, and mythic plus have been the major pillars of the game.
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I was a mid-level raider and M+ enjoyer 2 expansions ago. Got tired of players at both ends of the spectrum, the elitest jerks as well as the newbs looking for a carry. So I ventured off to play SOD and Cata but am now looking forward to Delves. For people like me this is a fantastic alternative.
I am one of those mythical solo mmo enjoyers. To me an mmo isn't about playing with other people, or even being forced to interact with them (if it happens naturally it happens, that's nice) but its about doing my own thing, in a world where other players are doing things.
Feeling forced to team up or trade or interact with others is generally a downside to me. I get that a lot of people like that in mmo's and they don't understand why someone would play an mmo solo. But that's exactly the type of person I am, I like being self reliant and self sufficient but the key difference between an offline rpg and an mmo is that the world in an offline rpg revolves entirely around me, I am the only variable in there, where the world in an mmo I'm just another guy doing his thing but there's thousands others.
And when I do naturally encounter another player and somehow get along with them through some non-forced method, that's where I do enjoy player interaction. Because it happens naturally, without an incentive to do so because the game forces you to.
Just writing this up just so people that really don't understand certain solo mmo players can have a bit of insight.
Some good points here. Especially your description of "I am the hero and main character of the story" vs. Hey, I love knowing there are lots of other people out there in this world but I still like doin my own thing. I've been gaming since the release of EverQuest. I am a late starter to gaming as I am 66 now. And as such, even though my mind is still sharp, my body doesn't always follow. I'm disabled (fibro and related stuff) so even intelligence cannot help with brain fog and slightly slower response times on bad days. It's very frustrating to me as I'm competitive and usually quick. But when I end up in these PUGs for dungeons or raids, I feel like the stepchild. I am rushing to keep up with everyone and then I feel like I don't know what I'm doing, nor do I feel as if I'm contributing.
Then there's the fact that I'm *that* lady who actually reads the quest text. I love to explore. Everyone is always in such a damn hurry. I miss the early days of EQ when you had to rely on your group more out in the open world. When there was actual *real* downtime between pulls where people actually -- GASP -- sat around and talked and joked. You made friends and eventually had those friends as your usual grouping parties. Our bard was the star, pulling my corpse out of a cavernous chasm that no one would be able to get to. Having some random person seeing you running along the zone wall naked in Kithicor, pissing yourself with fear, trying to get to the next zone on a CR and suddenly feeling SoW and an invis. Countless things like this is what I miss about MMORPGs. I'm not saying it's not present in WoW, but we all have to admit, this game has a completely different demographic than EQ did and it's all become a big race. So yes, I will definitely be doing delves and questing and maybe, eventually, some raiding and keys.
As someone who’s work schedule consists of 12 hour days and swapping from days to nights. The solo content that wow has been building up has been a god send to what has kept me playing. Not having the time or ability to high level raid or mythic plus just made gearing up feeling like a build up with no climax. Now with this and follower dungeons I have somewhere to really test my skills. Wow is so back! ❤
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I’m going to use Follower dungeons to start getting in to healing without getting death threats and called names. An I think delves are great for people like me. I don’t have a lot of friends playing wow. I work 3 shifts up to 70 hours a week and it’s hard for me getting in to groups. And again get death threats for making a mistake. I’ll still be doing M+ but gearing sound nice in TWW.
U will be fine going into normal and heroic. Even then u won’t learn much until u hit m0.
Healing is amazing. It's a different experience, you usually don't have a lot of time to take in what's happening beyond your focus on staying properly positioned and the health bars. But keep in mind that YOU have all the power in your group. Just remember that, if they call you names. Their life is literally in your hands. The only ones foolish enough to complain are the ones too foolish to not stand in the things you're not supposed to stand in. Walk off without rezzing them, and vote kick them.
Just remember...with great power comes great responsibility. ;)
I feel that. Thankfully I've never gotten death threats, but both healing and tanking are VERY intimidating to people who are new to it.
@@SlowBloke123that’s how your brain works 😂 not all brains
Use Healium add on best healing add on ever
Delves and follower dungeons are great. WoW has tons of awful, toxic assholes in it and I don't want to interact with them at all much less have them influence my ability to interact with a game system.
I totally get that warrenhenning. For me, some days or maybe most days my social battery is spent by the time I get to game time and last thing I need is some dingus throwing a fit. Just want to chill. Thank you for watching warrenhenning
This is far more common in low/mid level than high. Join a regular group and this only happens in crap groups and if it does look for a new group. There is a ton of raid groups even on wow forms looking for raiders currently. Progression is more successful with people having fun and not worrying about some loser critiquing everyone.
I agree but for me the most important part is being able to play the dang game without sitting in a que for 10 mins or formin a group
@@Jenkylllllsbeing 35-40 + years old and doing this is a hassle and a pain please try to see it from the older peoples perspective! This is nice to have a place to game! With out the whole “ join a guild talk to random people join a discord get a role do a job track what other are doing “ NOOOO
@zometthecomet This is an mmo talking with others is the whole point. He was complaining about toxic and frankly that only happens in garbage guilds and mid level m+. So I suggested joining a guild. Your description of its difficulty is quite amusing considering discord is for signing up for raid night and voice coms. What you referred to takes about 30 seconds plus chatting with someone else when you join and that's it.
By the way I'm older than you at 47 and still had ce and a 3.4io last season. Age means nothing.
I just hope that delves last longer than an expansion. Fix what needs to be fixed and improved upon and bring it back in the future expansions.
I think it will. Looking at how they must in effort to make the ai, and even added it to the vault.
I'm sure they will keep it if enough players play it and enjoy it.
Delvs are the main reason I'll be playing tww, I did not enjoy dragonflight as much as I thought I would
Same ! Me and the wife love loading up a game we can play for 20 30 min
I don't have hours of time to spam dungeons or raids , but15 minutes would be doable.
Yeah, this is great for those who don't want to deal with toxic mythic runners and raiders. The social aspect to the game isn't fun anymore.
I'm trying to get into the game again. When I run. A dungeon I can't keep up woth the tank. They just run through the whole thing and I find it confusing.
@@Joe-ti7qd With the new expansion, everyone will have to go slow to learn mechanics.
Always wondered why they call it the World of Warcraft instead the Raids of Warcraft.
Really?
@@gscgold really
Why not call it Video Game of warcraft?
Or Gears of Warcraft. Role Playing and experiencing the world of Warcraft has all been gone. It’s all about grinding for gear and bragging rights, not about camaraderie and exploration anymore.
@@gumaming😂 it’s always been a game about don’t what ever you want in a world with other people playing in it😅 I’m 35 been playing longer than I can remember! And it’s always been about what ever they want it to be about
Awesome! Been playing 20 years and as a person with a disability I'm slightly slower than other people and getting kicked from dungeons, raids, and constant berating I'm hesitant to even try dungeons, raids but I do them but not heroic raids and when mythics came out forget that. Looking forward to this. Not timed and can think and move and fail without the added pressures and getting nice gear.
I think they should’ve kept going with island expeditions I found those very fun and relaxing
It is an astonishing edition. I am so excited about it. :D
Thank God! I have a job and a family I don't have time I can always get on the game for a guild run schedule
Only coming back because of Delves. Just want to do 15-20min solo content and log-off. Dont have the time or energy to deal with committing to others schedules. Hope they keep expanding this.
You still get higher ilvl gear from mythic+ and raids. Delves cap out at Hero 3/6 where M+ caps out at Myth 1/6
Will never do mythic plus or arena
What do you think about the addition of delves in the war within?
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The level of toxicity is the reason why I never venture doing Mythic+ I do enjoy raids, I can deal the toxicity in LFR and Normal raids since there are a lot of players. I avoid Heroic because elitists ruin the experience. I guess those kinds of people have no real life outside of WOW. Thanks to Delves I can get high tier gear.
they should have sociologists/therapists monitoring the M+ content and diagnose the behavior of the toxic asshats and then post their toon names in a capital bulletin board describing why they were banned.
I think the solo content is Great, I'm a solo player as well.
As someone who started WoW during BC and stopped playing years ago, I think this is a step in the right direction but there is still more to do. I'm mainly a solo player. I guess that's why I like GW 2 so much. I have all of my characters geared out in the highest level gear without it requiring much group play. When WoW adds more solo friendly activities and allows me to get Mythic raid level gear from the harder solo activities, I will strongly consider returning. Until then, I have no desire to play this game anymore.
I think its awesome, everyone should have access to good gear playing the way they want to play. It hurts nobody, and anyone who takes issue with how other people get their gear is honestly just weird. I'm a M+ addict, I do mostly M+ and occasionally raid if my guild needs an extra body. I'll try Delves just as something new, but I don't think its going to replace my M+ addiction lol
As someone who hasn't played in years and takes any opportunity to shit on WoW/Blizzard, this is the type of feature that catches my eye. I am actually interested for once, but will wait to see what happens.
If I actually did play, I don't see myself ever doing M+/raid content again, so this would have to offer a reasonable challenge and replayability, along with rewards.
I've had a lot of fun with the delves on the beta, I'm hoping it gives me something interesting to do outside M+ and raids (I do both with my guild but I don't like pugging much).
Hopefully the higher tier delves won't be a pushover, but I suspect that certain specs (i.e. self-sustain tanks) will be able to trivialise it.
The sheet clearly shows that M+ will still give better rewards than delves? M10+ vault gear will be upgradable to 639 while delve vault gear caps at 626, As well as M+ dropping the gilded crests required for upgrading past 619. I'm not sure if Delve players will be able to get the best crests without stepping into M+ or raids.
Been out of WoW for almost a year. If it weren't for Delves I probably wouldn't be coming back for TWW.
i been out of wow for 8 years and same delves is the reason i came back! Im actually excited to gear up and grind bymyself or a friend
i quit wow because i loved running m+ in my freetime, but i hated the fact that you need to play a specific class / spec because all high key groups only run with a cookie cutter grp setup (because you only want to have to the best chance ofc), solo dungeon with equil gear reward is, at least in IMO, the right step for wow, because since many years mmo are played solo most of the time anyway and now you dont have to find random grps anymore
With the changes to the tracks, hero gear in tww is what champion gear is now unfortunately.
So if delves existed in df s4, they would effectively be giving you champion gear from vault. Not really relevant to anyone wanting to do challenging content.
Who wants to bet this has no impact on mythic players and raiders and proves they were just gatekeeping unnecessarily all along?
What mic/noise canceling do you use? It sounds really good actually. Great video as well.
This is a good change. Its already hard enough to find people to raid with and its hard to join one it takes a lot of time but its rewarding but i want to be able to also solo content things and get just as good of stuff as raids. A lot of raid groups wont even let you join unless ur meta and a damn no lifer. Delves will help the game grow and be more friendly to newer and casual players and people who just want to not deal with jerks. I cant wait to jump into delves and gear up
I have never done Mythic +. Why? the environment is just too toxic to get through and learn it. That got started from the timers and stuff. But now, this has been removed, and it does not matter. I did not care about them. That is mostly cause I am an old-school player. The mentality now is, say, like my old guild. We were an AOTC "Heroic Only" guild. BUT - If you did not do Mythic +, you were doing it wrong. Thankfully, my DPS holds its own, and I never had to do them. LOL, I've been raiding since LK. WW, I am gonna take the more casual approach. Actually, enjoy the GAME for once. It does not feel like a part-time job all the time. I am really looking forward to the Delve system.
If anything ruined the original intent of the mmo aspect of WoW, it will have been Group Finder, not high level solo content. How is going through an instance with four people you've never met, and may never be grouped with again, any different from running an instance with an NPC. There is no personal connection anyway. They are just objects you use to assist you in achieving a goal. Any four people would have served the same purpose. Or any four bots.
MMORPG massively multiplayer online role playing game! And when the genre was founded there was and still is no defined rule set to how the game needs to be interacted with! Only that it meets being an rpg that has a massive amount of people playing it😅 my story and yours don’t need to align good sir! I’m sorry you feel this way! Maybe try and meet people half way through
@@zometthecomet My point was only that I think it's fine for solo players to earn the same high level gear as people who run the holy trinity. No toxicity intended.
@@zometthecomet no way! I thought it stood for Moderately Multiplayer Online Raid Progression Game!
@@jektarr the way everyone is playing these days I couldn’t fault you for thinking that
I agree with op. Completely.
This sounds great i just got back into the game and i noticed i started getting triggered alot lately (also on meds that kind of make it easier for this ) . Seems more buttheads then 10 years ago when i use to play.
I left WoW for a time for a couple reasons. The first was that I had just gotten so tired of keyboard and mouse, and when I learned that FFXIV has controller integration, that was it for me. The second was the atmosphere.
Now, I'm not so naive to think that WoW was the only place with complete jackasses who just loved being jackasses in pugs, but I would say that my feeling was that those type of people felt empowered in WoW, for whatever reason.
So, I had two reasons. Well, the language of controllers is now part of the game, even though there's no official controller integration into the game itself. And now with the solo content and the ability to actually experience mythic-level challenges through that, it's a breath of fresh air for me. Delves are easily the thing I am most excited to experience once season 1 begins.
Between follower dungeons introduced in the last expansion and now delves in this one, the only thing that would make this perfect for me is that they bring controller fully into the fold as part of the system rather than us having to program these things from scratch or using an add on like console port.
But this has been a welcome addition.
This should have been done when they introduced dungeon finder. The game is played out for me. Every expansion was same old grinding for shards or tokens or whatever with a wall in place so you could only get so many per week haulting your progress. Same quests. Kill these or collect these. Farming Onyxia for the mount that never dropped the thousands of times I did it. I played for along time. Wasted my life playing that game. Does anyone remember the estimated honor system for pvp. You had to wait untill 3 am for it to roll over and give you your points. It was allways a sub par amount. Grinding all that gear for months just to have them remove it all from the game. Weeklys and dailys to get stuff that as soon as the next expansion came out. The first blue that dropped or even greens were way better than all the crap you put years of time in to aquire. Getting exalted with all the factions to get access to mounts gear and achievments. I am so glad I quit that game years ago. I went through the year of "life after warcraft" what do I do with my time now? Monthly payments just to be grinding all the time. Mindless healing and tanking.
I am happy that solo players can finally aquire gear and not have set backs of " must have a whatever gear score to join the raid". But that game was a waste of over a decade of my life. I would never go back. Screw goldshire. Karazan, lol f that place.
10 different difficulty levels is somewhat bloated...20 is ridiculous, 10 is still too much
it wouldnt replace M+ cause the best that you can get is champion only at the vault
It will push the required item level that people will demand to invite you into a m+ group though
This is perfect for an alt army
I am not sure if I will buy TWW, I am more of a classic players, since the way Retail classes play is not what I like. I also don't like Mythic+, especially the time limit and the way keys deplete. Delves for me are the most interesting feature of TWW, I will definitely watch more videos of players doing them, when the expansion is out and decide if it is worth buying.
They will be trash. You need to do a lot of tidious daily activities world events, renown farm etc. to get the keys to access delves that give good loot. That is as far away from the classic experience as possible
@@larsjakob7039 Isn't doing tedious things to be able to play something the most classic thing to do?
@@dwarni5968 I mean you can see it that way but it feels really different. I was talking about endgame not leveling phase. I didnt find the endgame in classic tedious. There is good endgame in war with in too but not the delves or the open world. The open world endgame consist of fly there kill 10 things mount up or portal fast somewhere else where you do a boring minigame repeat infinitly. Get some tiny gold and renown for it. You could skip this completly in expacs before but now to get the delve keys loots of people will be pressed to do it.
@@larsjakob7039 Attunements, farming consumables, getting world buffs, quite tedious.
@@dwarni5968 yeah but you have to do all that except the world buffs in war with in too. You can buy consumables or craft them like in classic its the same.
I dont like delves at all you need Restored Coffer Keys to access higher ones with the raid/mythic plus loot. It essentially means that no lifers that do all world quests/daily activities etc. each day will get a lot of them and a lot of loot. Which will grately push the item level that people will demand for m+ groups and raids. It is just a no life uncapped farm mechanic like artifact power in legion which people with 10 hours time a day in wow can abuse.
If true, this is awesome.
Max drop from delve is 603. And mythic+ 10 is 613. So there is a 10 ilvl differences.
So max delve drop is the same as m+ 5 drop
And max delve vault is same as m+ 7 vault.
Basically dark souls
Sending this to yumytv.
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Eh, this really just has the smell of irrelevant content that will be meaningless after the first month of the expansion.
Blizzard never pushes anything this hard that can sustain player interaction naturally.
You aren’t forced to do it like Islands or Torghast, but I just believe that Delves will end up being in that heap of dead content very soon after launch
It entirely depends on how replayable it is, for me.
If I'm just doing delves to get gear to do... more delves, that's pointless for me and won't really last.
But if they keep adding gear to it to chase for transmog, mounts, etc and/or the gameplay loop feels fun, it seems like a fun "log in and run a bit" activity for when I don't want to run around collecting things.
If you mean bragging and toxicity is player interaction, ehhh, keep interaction with fellow jerks contained in Mythic+. I’ll stay in Delves.
Trust me when I say that PEOPE are goin to flock to this! Even high tier players to get loot easily 😅 sorry boys but not a single soul want to endure being around you guys to get gear! 😂 they only were they for the gear! Not you guys
my only problem with this solo activities in a MMO is that usually creates a category of super high end geared not so skilled players that poor in to the skilled parts of the game like M+.I am on the super high end m+ game player and man....trust me,a freakin' 5 with super geared solo players is harder than 20s...Not once i actually did more HPS in low end keys with geared players from solo content than in 20s...no joke...just to keep X and Y alive that is maxed out and all he dose is auto attack...other than that....i think Blizz should have Tetris that rewards legendary items so ppl can do they'r thing in SW/Ogri but please ,for the love of god,just because you have access to high end gear,don't even try to play high end content..
Trust me when I say this 😂 they don’t want ANYTHING to do with queing up with them either 😅 that’s why they play delves
Don't see this being an issue at all. If we're talking about high end M+ content, then gear isn't the sole priority for getting into a decent group. This is where m+ rating comes in and a lot of lower gear high rating people will always be invited over high gear low rating folk.
Just let people enjoy their solo content and the ratings deal with themselves anyways.
Don't worry, those people don't want to play with toxic people like you either. 😂😂
Delves look so lame .
Hate group content like M+ cause i want go at my pace no rush.
I like followers dungeons but npcs are too weak and dont gear up .
Why they dont put followers in heroic mythic 0 and raid finder so we dont have to wait for hours to play .
Used to multibox so i love managing a group .
My dream is play group content wit my alts as npc followers with their gear upgrade .
Amen. I get that this is (was) an MMO but things change and evolve. I think we all realize that the dream of a world full of people all playing together and having fun is a pipedream. The world of anything (including the real world) is just full of a bunch of assholes. If people want to play together, go do it. If you are only playing together because you have to and no because you find it fun then the entire raid or group content is a failure.
This is a GAME...its a toy and something to be enjoyed and have fun with. If you aren't having fun and you are only doing things because you feel compelled, that's a failure. Give all the same gear regardless of activity and let's see what people do... If they stop raiding then that means they weren't enjoying it they were doing it because they were forced to. That should tell you something....
jesus this sounds awful ,playing with npcs wtf
Lfr is basically playing with npcs already...
In before the assholes start crying about us leaving them behind to gear with out having to deal with their bullshit ever again 😂
@@swiftyfun88 There's a reason why Final Fantasy is an overall better game than WoW.😂😂 Very few toxic people with your mindset playing it and the ones that do, get banned and run off if they stir up any 💩in game. Don't worry, Blizzard is headed there. Especially with Microsoft being their overlord now. 😁