Great story and a good rescue. Glad everything worked out. However, Garmin is Not a replacement for ACR personal locator beacon. Garmin is a great tool to have, but you should also carry a dedicated ACR PLB w/ 6 year battery life and government backed search and rescue system and no subscriptions.
Todor---- Correct, brand doesn't matter... my point is that Garmin is not a PLB... it's a 2 way privately owned, subscription based, satellite messaging/GPS system with 100 hr batter life, unless you recharge it. Which is great... but it's not designed to work with stationary and low orbit satellites that our government and military uses. Meaning Garmin first receives your distress info, then relays it to search and rescue. While a 406 Hz PLB like ACR PLB directly communicates with government based search and rescue network... no subscriptions, 6 year battery life, much more reliable. One day I will purchase a Garmin for navigation but I would never leave on a hike without a dedicated PLB also.... backup to a backup .
Agreed. A two way messenger like the InReach is awesome for non-emergency communications and as a primary unit for emergency coms absent a phone , radio or other live two-way capability. Any and all of these should be backed up by a PLB appropriate to the environment (marine, backcountry, alpine, etc.) as a last resort. The problem with one-way comes like SPOT and PLBs is that the SAR team is going in blind, which means they will roll as heavy and deep as possible to be ready for anything. But a two-way can be helpful if say, you just need an ambulance at the trail head you’re comfortable self-evacuating to or they need to bring something specific, like anti-venom.
Another benefit of using the Garmin is that someone can call for help without having to hit the SOS button and summon S&R. The battery life on the Garmin Explorer+ is 3 years. The 100 hours is battery life in tracking mode.
I carry both Garmin Inreach mini and ACR PLB. PLB is for life threatening someone is going to die if we don’t get help and Garmin is I’m broken down and need help
Hi Kristian, I've been sharing this and other rescues that wouldn't have been possible without the inReach Explorer+. With our location in remote Salmon Idaho, these emergency situations occur on a weekly basis. We believe in this product so heavily that our, discounted price can not be published on our estore. If you call our store ask for Steve and mention this special, you can get the Garmin inReach Explorer plus for $439 including shipping in the USA. That's $60 off retail and $10 less than Amazon's best price. Our Office number is 855-741-4200 or you can go to our website www.shopcomputerzen.com If you order on our website, but call me before you close your order so I can apply the discount. steve@computer-z.com
Great tool to have, I just bought one today for upcoming trips. I'm curious, who pays for the helicopter extract? Did your health insurance cover it? I've heard these emergency flights can cost upwards of $40,000!
It depends, You can purchase insurance specifically for this. It also depends on who rescued her, County, state,gvt or private. This helicopter was private so they will probably get a nice bill.
According to garmin, the vast majority dont cost anything. Sar takes a cut of fishing/hunting/camping/etc... license fees in order to support sar. But it does depend on state and county laws if not in a national park. Some counties have negligence laws that will pin the cost to the individual if it is deemed as negligent. Ie.. bridge says dont walk on bridge and you do anyways and break your legs... I recommend watching the garmin recorded inreach webinars as they cover this topic.
it depends on so meany factors the agency and or if the party is at fault ( example i can think of is a skier ignoring the bondery fence and getting lost.) typcaly if they are not at fault it is not charged
This could easily be a twisted bowel or an inflammatory disease, like Crohn's disease, in which swelling and scar tissue causes a narrowing of your intestine. adhesions, or scar tissue, from a previous abdominal surgery, colon cancer in which the tumor blocks the intestine. Or severe constipation from Parkinson's disease, which leads to impacted bowel. These types of intestine issue are deadly without hospitalization, hence the life fight.
I heard in the video by someone that she sustained some kind of trauma but I don't see any visible bleeding, swelling, or deformities. Also I am guessing there's no internal bleeding because she wouldn't have made it through the night without surgery. So it's not clear what the nature of the trauma was. She also looked awake, verbal, and reacted to stimuli. I am starting to doubt she needed to be life flighted out.
Never understood why these helicopters rescues are so expensive... Here in Miami a typical 1 hour tour in helicopter costs $300 why the hell you have to force someone into bankruptcy to do basically exactly the same during a rescue? . I wonder how many people have died when delaying to call for help cause they knew the financial burden they will put themselves and their families thru if they did and thought they could make it out on their own to avoid the bill. Pure evil in my opinion.
Rolando Perez A search and rescue team involves, the company with which you communicate your emergency, the local emergency services to which your distress is relayed, the paramedics, and or doctors that travel to the location, the expert pilot with multiple hours of training to navigate and land in difficult terrain, the helicopter equipment with emergency apparatus such as defibrillators, oxygen, etc.etc. It's not just a fun ride to see the cityscape, there's a lot of resources needed for this kind of emergencies. If people died or ended up having a worse condition because they avoided calling a SaR just to save money it's their fault, because they ended up loosing their lives or having an even heftier hospital bill, not worth it. As I mentioned previously there are outdoors insurances that cover medevac and SaR, they are not expensive, and everyone that regularly does outdoors activities should have one.
tealosophy Like I mentioned.... I live in South Florida... I know all about how insurances work and how they have screw us down here during the hurricanes for as far as I can remember. I can only imagine the fine print for a wilderness evacuation insurance. A SaR it involves 3 people in the bird... and someone sitting in a office answering a call does that cost 100k? It does not. There is a thing call math and this does not add up. I am not saying they have to charge $300 bucks for going to rescue someone but do they have to charge 50K? It does not cost that. What are they doing? Using a defibrillator that is available for free at every public library ? placing an Iv bag, splinting for broken leg... For the price they are charging it looks like they are doing open heart surgery on the helicopter. This is not only absurd but immoral. They are taken advantage of people when the they are most vulnerable. And no someone is not at fault when they delay to call for rescue cause they think they can make it out and avoid a bill that will cripple them and their family financially probably for the rest of their life. It is not about saving money cause you want to get the latest iphone... it is about not having a debt that is going to destroy your life. Maybe you make 300k a year most people dont. Most people live paycheck to pay check and are already in debt. You charge someone the amount SaR charges and you basically turn them into a debt slave. Do you think this is just and humane? Have you seen the collection tactics these people employ? Check out this abcnews.go.com/US/sky-rage-bills-debt-lawsuits-follow-helicopter-medevac/story?id=37669153 I own a business. I understand they have to make a profit but one thing is making a profit and another one is fleecing someone for all they got. Do a bit of research of this subject and you will see the profit margins of these companies are insane. Estas defendiendo lo indefendible. Saludos.
Rolando Perez I know how this insurances work and used this services and insurances myself I'm a mountain guide at Aconcagua. So please chill and stop trying to lecture me on something you clearly know very little about.
Hi Chris; there is so much involved to mobilize a rescue, (is this a legitimate call for help, where are they, how can they be reached (helicopter, boat, hike in, etc.). You can imagine how long it would take with a device that just sends an SOS before people are mobilized to do a rescue and are they sending the appropriate people and equipment. With the Garmin inReach and the new SpotX it totally changes these scenarios from a recovery to a rescue. Computer Zen 855-741-4200
@@computerzen Thank you Steve for the reply. I'm starting into a bit more risky hobby (power paragliding) and I'm looking into devices like the Garmin inReach.
Because when you hit the SOS you are connected to a Garmin employee and they have a whole script they have to go through and then they have to find the local responsible authorities for that area and coordinate with them as a middle person between the person needing rescue and the actual rescuers. Garmin employees and rescue dispatchers have to go through up to several or more channels to get through to a medevac.
Great story and a good rescue. Glad everything worked out. However, Garmin is Not a replacement for ACR personal locator beacon. Garmin is a great tool to have, but you should also carry a dedicated ACR PLB w/ 6 year battery life and government backed search and rescue system and no subscriptions.
BigDog just a PLB the brand doesent matter they have the same requirements and specifications ,but mine is ACR(I like the antenna )
Todor---- Correct, brand doesn't matter... my point is that Garmin is not a PLB... it's a 2 way privately owned, subscription based, satellite messaging/GPS system with 100 hr batter life, unless you recharge it. Which is great... but it's not designed to work with stationary and low orbit satellites that our government and military uses. Meaning Garmin first receives your distress info, then relays it to search and rescue. While a 406 Hz PLB like ACR PLB directly communicates with government based search and rescue network... no subscriptions, 6 year battery life, much more reliable. One day I will purchase a Garmin for navigation but I would never leave on a hike without a dedicated PLB also.... backup to a backup .
Agreed. A two way messenger like the InReach is awesome for non-emergency communications and as a primary unit for emergency coms absent a phone , radio or other live two-way capability. Any and all of these should be backed up by a PLB appropriate to the environment (marine, backcountry, alpine, etc.) as a last resort. The problem with one-way comes like SPOT and PLBs is that the SAR team is going in blind, which means they will roll as heavy and deep as possible to be ready for anything. But a two-way can be helpful if say, you just need an ambulance at the trail head you’re comfortable self-evacuating to or they need to bring something specific, like anti-venom.
Another benefit of using the Garmin is that someone can call for help without having to hit the SOS button and summon S&R. The battery life on the Garmin Explorer+ is 3 years. The 100 hours is battery life in tracking mode.
I carry both Garmin Inreach mini and ACR PLB. PLB is for life threatening someone is going to die if we don’t get help and Garmin is I’m broken down and need help
Hoping to buy a Explorer+ soon. This shows why it is important to have one. I'm glad all rescue/evacuation is free where i live :)
Hi Kristian, I've been sharing this and other rescues that wouldn't have been possible without the inReach Explorer+. With our location in remote Salmon Idaho, these emergency situations occur on a weekly basis. We believe in this product so heavily that our, discounted price can not be published on our estore. If you call our store ask for Steve and mention this special, you can get the Garmin inReach Explorer plus for $439 including shipping in the USA. That's $60 off retail and $10 less than Amazon's best price. Our Office number is 855-741-4200 or you can go to our website www.shopcomputerzen.com If you order on our website, but call me before you close your order so I can apply the discount. steve@computer-z.com
I just bought one today!!
Why the hell would u go in the backwoods anyway… if u have medical issues?!
Damn good reason to have one of these units!
Great tool to have, I just bought one today for upcoming trips. I'm curious, who pays for the helicopter extract? Did your health insurance cover it? I've heard these emergency flights can cost upwards of $40,000!
It depends, You can purchase insurance specifically for this. It also depends on who rescued her, County, state,gvt or private. This helicopter was private so they will probably get a nice bill.
100K SAR insurance for $17.95 a year. Nice cheap insurance option.
According to garmin, the vast majority dont cost anything. Sar takes a cut of fishing/hunting/camping/etc... license fees in order to support sar. But it does depend on state and county laws if not in a national park. Some counties have negligence laws that will pin the cost to the individual if it is deemed as negligent. Ie.. bridge says dont walk on bridge and you do anyways and break your legs... I recommend watching the garmin recorded inreach webinars as they cover this topic.
it depends on so meany factors the agency and or if the party is at fault ( example i can think of is a skier ignoring the bondery fence and getting lost.) typcaly if they are not at fault it is not charged
This could easily be a twisted bowel or an inflammatory disease, like Crohn's disease, in which swelling and scar tissue causes a narrowing of your intestine. adhesions, or scar tissue, from a previous abdominal surgery, colon cancer in which the tumor blocks the intestine. Or severe constipation from Parkinson's disease, which leads to impacted bowel. These types of intestine issue are deadly without hospitalization, hence the life fight.
I heard in the video by someone that she sustained some kind of trauma but I don't see any visible bleeding, swelling, or deformities. Also I am guessing there's no internal bleeding because she wouldn't have made it through the night without surgery. So it's not clear what the nature of the trauma was. She also looked awake, verbal, and reacted to stimuli. I am starting to doubt she needed to be life flighted out.
Good idea for any wilderness/remote activity to have airlift insurance, even if only for a month or 2 per year.
Was there a fee/charge for the PLB-based evacuation?
Yes, a big one too.
Usually state/county/federal are free. But private companies are quite pricy.
My heart hurts just thinking bout how much that cost
What happened to her? Hope she's ok
Did it cost you or did the “insurance plan” cover it??? Thanks
I hope the bill didn't put them in bankruptcy.
Ra steel with the messaging plan you can contract an annual insurance that can even cover an international medevac plane
Never understood why these helicopters rescues are so expensive... Here in Miami a typical 1 hour tour in helicopter costs $300 why the hell you have to force someone into bankruptcy to do basically exactly the same during a rescue? . I wonder how many people have died when delaying to call for help cause they knew the financial burden they will put themselves and their families thru if they did and thought they could make it out on their own to avoid the bill. Pure evil in my opinion.
Rolando Perez A search and rescue team involves, the company with which you communicate your emergency, the local emergency services to which your distress is relayed, the paramedics, and or doctors that travel to the location, the expert pilot with multiple hours of training to navigate and land in difficult terrain, the helicopter equipment with emergency apparatus such as defibrillators, oxygen, etc.etc. It's not just a fun ride to see the cityscape, there's a lot of resources needed for this kind of emergencies. If people died or ended up having a worse condition because they avoided calling a SaR just to save money it's their fault, because they ended up loosing their lives or having an even heftier hospital bill, not worth it. As I mentioned previously there are outdoors insurances that cover medevac and SaR, they are not expensive, and everyone that regularly does outdoors activities should have one.
tealosophy Like I mentioned.... I live in South Florida... I know all about how insurances work and how they have screw us down here during the hurricanes for as far as I can remember. I can only imagine the fine print for a wilderness evacuation insurance. A SaR it involves 3 people in the bird... and someone sitting in a office answering a call does that cost 100k? It does not. There is a thing call math and this does not add up. I am not saying they have to charge $300 bucks for going to rescue someone but do they have to charge 50K? It does not cost that. What are they doing? Using a defibrillator that is available for free at every public library ? placing an Iv bag, splinting for broken leg... For the price they are charging it looks like they are doing open heart surgery on the helicopter. This is not only absurd but immoral. They are taken advantage of people when the they are most vulnerable.
And no someone is not at fault when they delay to call for rescue cause they think they can make it out and avoid a bill that will cripple them and their family financially probably for the rest of their life. It is not about saving money cause you want to get the latest iphone... it is about not having a debt that is going to destroy your life. Maybe you make 300k a year most people dont. Most people live paycheck to pay check and are already in debt. You charge someone the amount SaR charges and you basically turn them into a debt slave. Do you think this is just and humane? Have you seen the collection tactics these people employ? Check out this abcnews.go.com/US/sky-rage-bills-debt-lawsuits-follow-helicopter-medevac/story?id=37669153
I own a business. I understand they have to make a profit but one thing is making a profit and another one is fleecing someone for all they got. Do a bit of research of this subject and you will see the profit margins of these companies are insane. Estas defendiendo lo indefendible. Saludos.
Rolando Perez I know how this insurances work and used this services and insurances myself I'm a mountain guide at Aconcagua. So please chill and stop trying to lecture me on something you clearly know very little about.
Why did it take an hour of texting to get the rescue moving?
Hi Chris; there is so much involved to mobilize a rescue, (is this a legitimate call for help, where are they, how can they be reached (helicopter, boat, hike in, etc.). You can imagine how long it would take with a device that just sends an SOS before people are mobilized to do a rescue and are they sending the appropriate people and equipment. With the Garmin inReach and the new SpotX it totally changes these scenarios from a recovery to a rescue. Computer Zen 855-741-4200
@@computerzen Thank you Steve for the reply. I'm starting into a bit more risky hobby (power paragliding) and I'm looking into devices like the Garmin inReach.
Because when you hit the SOS you are connected to a Garmin employee and they have a whole script they have to go through and then they have to find the local responsible authorities for that area and coordinate with them as a middle person between the person needing rescue and the actual rescuers. Garmin employees and rescue dispatchers have to go through up to several or more channels to get through to a medevac.
So whose negligence was responsible for this?
Sorry to hear about Hana she was a lovely girl. RIP Hana.. we thought she was fine but then it turned for the worse.
Reel Chaos Charters What happened to her?
Heard she didn’t make it. They couldn’t remove the object from the rectum it caused internal bleeding. But it was fun by all.
@@reelchaoscharters3605 wtf? what happend?
@@Francois_Dupont he's a troll, he has no clue
@@506jeff do you know her personally? how do you know its a trolle?