BUILD HAS BEEN NERFED. The good news is that we likely won't see a patch for the next 2 weeks so I already know the next tech I plan to employ will be safe for at least that long. Who likes loud sounds? I'm currently on a level 19 skill gem and a 240 widowhail. The next 4 gem levels give me another 8 million dps. There are a lot of "best build" videos out there, but most of them do shit damage and have to press multiple buttons for clearing. While this build only leverages intended and simple mechanics directly implemented from Grinding Gear Games, I believe it is able to closely emulate the PoE 1 playstyle and damage we are more used to. TO BE CLEAR, this is not the best character. I've built the concept like a pauper so far cuz poor. But the offensive scaling of this skill and core construction feels unreal for the SC Trade environment. There are probably some absolute monsters out there with good gear and maybe some more innovative setups to push it further - so share pls I want to steal.
thx you a lot Jungroan, you did and still do a great job of showing broken staff off. It would be a pain to play trade with half ladder running this level of zoom
this base damage scaling is 100% intended and definitely not going to get nerfed. there is no world where someone at GGG made a numerical typo when setting up this skills scaling. Time to LOGIN
Yeah you take one look at this skill's scaling with levels and it's a very obvious mistake, the scaling at higher levels is incredibly wrong. If anyone looks at the graph of damage scaling it has on poe2db and thinks "yep that looks intended" they're insane
Are people really dumb enough to invest that much in a build after Jung makes a video of it? Idk... I feel like maybe it's kind of a bad idea, but that's just me, you know.
@@HEX-x6ndevs outside of crunch don't work on weekends, I don't think they are crunching atm so the earliest the new patch could drop will be on Monday
@@HEX-x6n Zaccie the boss dev lurks in both Jungroan and Alk's chat you got to bne fucking dumb to think this is going to stay. Look it the numbers THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
They very rarely nerf multi mirror builds though. This only works if you can get crazy high gem levels which is pretty much locked behind crazy expensive gear. They nerf things that a huge amount of the player base has access to, this is not at all that
@@ElPepo1337 you can just use 5 passive voices with the medium cluster jewel. its far from being int he multi mirror category to start. transcendence armor stacker on the other hand though...
Day after you spend 2000 exalts Patch notes: Vine arrow was overperforming a bit as you scaled the gem levels, so we adjusted the scaling. -1,000,000% scaling, level 40 Vine arrow now does 5 dps.
@@ЗахарКоншин "A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage." anddddd it's gone.
idk man, maybe the gem level scaling is a bit off BUT the trade of is the price. They usually nerf things that a lot of players have access to, this is not at all that
Deadge -> A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage.
@@WiredGuitars GGG honestly watches a lot of content creators big and small. They have their stances and tend to hold to them more often than just bashing a big content creator.
i saw chinese streamer who still plays this build. I think he does something related to flask recovery nodes and poisoning. But im kinda clueless about pathfinder and any interactions with flasks at all. Is this can be playable still? Any thoughts?
Hi, man, tell me why, when you use the basic skill, do you have a cooldown of 0? and is there any more information about this build on passive talents? Thank you in advance!
That sisterhell channel doesn’t have any videos, are you familiar with where they are tracking Korean builds? As a Korean speaker I’d like the extra source of info!
you kind of just need to subscribe to a bunch of small korean/chinese build makers that post clips and you eventually get recommended gems. thats how ive done it at least
Well, shoot i was enjoying the build , just got to early mapping after starting yesterday. A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage.
Do a simple thought experiment to see if it gets nerfed. If you tried this method of scaling with any other skill, would it be comparable in damage and clearspeed?
how is your mana cost on vine arrow so low? I know this build is dead but I'm planning something similar, and it seems impossible to have enough mana for it
im currently level 27 skill gem with a widowhail at 247. how much dips im supposed to be doing? im around 2.5k with hourglass and 1.2k with scattershot
Thank you for documenting fun builds in poe 2 before we common players can't play them anymore. Not sarcasm, I honestly love seeing builds like this even if i know ill never be able to afford em
It's fine if you can't afford it because those that can will spend 1000s of Exalts only to be nerfed in a week. Better to play something safe and decent then something broken.
how to cause the vine arrow to be poisoned ? do I need some support gem inside or another skill used at the same time ?? or maybe some passive in the tree ?
Would honestly be surprised if it lasts until Monday, very clearly a numerical oversight in how it scales. It has more than 50x the damage of the next most damaging skill at those gem levels (which has a very long cast time). You get a 1000x multiplier going from level 20 to 40 LOL. Most skills it's like 5-10x, so, yeah... someone put an extra zero somewhere they shouldn't have. But no, clearly intended and just using "generic scaling mechanics."
Could you do a weapon swap to a high clip crossbow for wither application, won't cost a million mana since the quiver isn't applying then. Or does vine arrow not snapshot your quiver and start doing shit damage when you swap weapons?
hi, im new to poe2, first time trying out the game, is it easy to play this build for early game ? i just want to have an easy less stress fun time, less buttons to press. just 1-2 buttons with big damage, is this the one for me?
It's certainly not the fastest, but if you get a good multiplier on your Widowhail, and keep your quiver updated with good flat dmg and bow dmg rolls, an attack skill can carry you. I used Poisonburst Arrow even though this is NOT a poison build. ;)
respec into. you need to scale the gem lvl to at least lvl 30+ to make it playable, which requires an at least two fifty widow hail, quiver, helmet, amulet, and some jewels
If you have to spend two mirrors to pull this off, then I don't see the problem. If there are no powerful builds at high investment, then what are we playing for.
So, I would like to start a new character, cause my minion infernalist is just not it, I'm looking for a build but I'm scared it will get nerfed, this one is looking amazing, what would you guys recommend me to do?
I feel like I played this exact or nearly this exact build in poe one as a league starter a few times with Quill Rain. Obviously I didn't but dam if it doesn't look like it.
I stopped at act 2 as monk path to cocy build, now i think i will wait for the next patch to check if this build gonna survive. And for now im gonna go with my summoner.
when they fix it i hope they also fix the vine arrow slow not working while they are at it.. but we all know they will only nerf the dmg and leave the bug in the game that is a downside for the player
Yeah. I am not starting this build, spending tens of hours leveling and gearing it, just to have it nerfed right as I start to feel strong. I will stick to my deadeye for now.
Lol i use poison pathfinder and always looked at vine arrow and thought this one is the weakest link in my build, i would have never guessed that it could be the strongest skill in the game.
Thanks for letting me know what gets nerfed next, but please stay away from grenades because that's what I pam playing right now and I don't want to reroll
They better fix issues like getting 3rd/4th ascendency points being disproportionately difficult before they nerf builds being used by like .0001% of players.
BUILD HAS BEEN NERFED.
The good news is that we likely won't see a patch for the next 2 weeks so I already know the next tech I plan to employ will be safe for at least that long. Who likes loud sounds?
I'm currently on a level 19 skill gem and a 240 widowhail. The next 4 gem levels give me another 8 million dps.
There are a lot of "best build" videos out there, but most of them do shit damage and have to press multiple buttons for clearing. While this build only leverages intended and simple mechanics directly implemented from Grinding Gear Games, I believe it is able to closely emulate the PoE 1 playstyle and damage we are more used to.
TO BE CLEAR, this is not the best character. I've built the concept like a pauper so far cuz poor. But the offensive scaling of this skill and core construction feels unreal for the SC Trade environment. There are probably some absolute monsters out there with good gear and maybe some more innovative setups to push it further - so share pls I want to steal.
Why do I read this ing jungroan voice, when he is making a presentation
Aaaaaaand 75% nerf anyway because oops, they missed a 0 :^)
thx you a lot Jungroan, you did and still do a great job of showing broken staff off. It would be a pain to play trade with half ladder running this level of zoom
nerfed in 3...2...1
Imagine just playing a skill and optimizing scaling the damage and GGG nerfs…
so basically make sure you dont play this or start rerolling out of it now
rip
you mean basically... LOGIN
this base damage scaling is 100% intended and definitely not going to get nerfed. there is no world where someone at GGG made a numerical typo when setting up this skills scaling. Time to LOGIN
COPIUMOVERDOSE
Bait xD You know people will take that serious and waste their time on this build that is 100% getting nerfed.
Yeah you take one look at this skill's scaling with levels and it's a very obvious mistake, the scaling at higher levels is incredibly wrong.
If anyone looks at the graph of damage scaling it has on poe2db and thinks "yep that looks intended" they're insane
Are people really dumb enough to invest that much in a build after Jung makes a video of it? Idk... I feel like maybe it's kind of a bad idea, but that's just me, you know.
Haha definitely sarcasm there but I'm going to have a go before the nerf on Monday!
i remember when getting baited by jungroan meant something else...
You just gotta learn to love doing the campaign and it's fine 👍
He's a master baiter
there's 0% chance the vision will let this one slide, prepare for monday
We're already sending it to Zaccie.
Zaccie hao long
Why is everyone mentioning Monday patch? Did they announce that somewhere that I missed?
@@HEX-x6ndevs outside of crunch don't work on weekends, I don't think they are crunching atm so the earliest the new patch could drop will be on Monday
@@HEX-x6n Zaccie the boss dev lurks in both Jungroan and Alk's chat you got to bne fucking dumb to think this is going to stay.
Look it the numbers THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
good luck surviving the nerf
Yeah, this build is totally going to get nerfed hard. I'd be surprised if GGG actually left it alone which we know they won't.
this build features the use of intended mechanics and straight forward scaling :)
@@jungroan CHRIS BALDSON DONT THINK SO
@@jungroan Didnt really saved you before did it? :D
@@jungroan every time you say that your build gets nerfed
Thanks for telling me which build i shouldn't play next :)
Good call LOL
the base damage is so high at that gem level theres no way they dont nerf it, hopefully its not completely dead when they do a nerf
It's gonna be totally dead
They very rarely nerf multi mirror builds though. This only works if you can get crazy high gem levels which is pretty much locked behind crazy expensive gear. They nerf things that a huge amount of the player base has access to, this is not at all that
@@ceezymuccheez Aura stackers is one of most nerfed poe1 builds, and it always been a multi mirror build, ggg does nerf high end shit too
if GGG touches something with the nerf hammer, they make sure its completely obliterated.
@@ElPepo1337 you can just use 5 passive voices with the medium cluster jewel. its far from being int he multi mirror category to start. transcendence armor stacker on the other hand though...
RIP Vine Arrow 06 Dec 2024 - 15 Dec 2024
Day after you spend 2000 exalts
Patch notes: Vine arrow was overperforming a bit as you scaled the gem levels, so we adjusted the scaling.
-1,000,000% scaling, level 40 Vine arrow now does 5 dps.
Soooooo don't spend 2k exalts on it yet?
@@ЗахарКоншин "A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage." anddddd it's gone.
You are almost right "vine arrow was never expected to be a dps skill" lmao.
Missing the “unacceptable gamestate”
You released the video on Saturday so I can enjoy it for two days. Thank you：）
thank God a new broken thing, maybe they'll forgot about lightning arrow
DW ranger has plot armour since 2012
The lightning arrow is fine, I think you are talking about the interactions between lightning rod->orb of storms->cast on shock->ball lightning
CoS is into good because of rangers attacks, if they need cos again then everyone will lose their shit
Deadeye moving so fast they dodged all the nerfed. Gas arrow got hit somewhat, but that was before acrobatics.
"We watch. We wait. We..."
Shouldn't have waited bro.
GGG should just hire you as their lead QA lmao
It’s not him, it’s the Korean poe players coming up with these build ideas
@@jays41186
You better put some respecc on my boy's name.
Jungroan the OG when it comes to breaking the game.
@@jays41186 shut up
@@jays41186yep, there many asian imba builders even on YT. But anyway, that should be nerfed
Probably makes more streaming
Gone by Monday
well..... tuesday lol
Was a matter of time before someone snitched..
Bold of you to assume they don't have any telemetrics in the game and already knew about this before the video.
On the bright side, this may buy warcry a few extra days before it gets nerfed while they figure out how to scale this properly.
LMAOOO THAT SHIT'S GONEEEE
thank you bro we been praying for another patch
thanks for the heads up on what not to roll!
thanks jungroan, you've given me a lot to think about.
how many days do you give it chat
Monday patch, Tuesday if they sleep in
Next week
next monday
idk man, maybe the gem level scaling is a bit off BUT the trade of is the price. They usually nerf things that a lot of players have access to, this is not at all that
@@blontiux tomorrow is NZ Monday, so tomorrow
I wonder if this is a poison build.
it has green vomit on ground, so it has to be
from the build in the description -
'PSA for those who struggle with reading: this is NOT A POISON BUILD.'
always check the description
Gonna level gemling to try this, was on ranger. what skill do you recommend to level this?
Dude this is gonna get nerfed in like 2 days. Don't bandwagon on clearly broken skills. Or at least don't cry after.
@@ЗахарКоншин I wont haha have a char already deep on map, just wanted to try something else
Most fun i had in poe2. Got 32 dex on my quiver aswel wich enables me to swap every single dex node to str. So good
GGG: "how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man"
Watching your psyche being drestoyed nerf after nerf and you still coming back with something different every time is the only thing keeping me sane.
Still sane, exile?
Deadge -> A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage.
Any good idea what i could convert this build too now after the nerfs 😅
Jung your a legend ngl
But Jung, aren’t you worried about ya boys over at Triple G seein this with sparkly eyes and slammin down the nerf bat?
a small youtuber uploading a build showcase isn't going to move the needle for the devs for the GAME OF THE YEAR
I don’t think you’re a small RUclipsr though. GGG watches your vids
@@WiredGuitars GGG honestly watches a lot of content creators big and small. They have their stances and tend to hold to them more often than just bashing a big content creator.
@@WiredGuitars exactly lol. The dude who made Nimis is saying he's a small RUclipsr. GGG definitely watches these videos
Everyone in the replies completely missing jungroan's joke.
bro all of those equipment pieces were insane
Ppl have been talking shit on jung latley and im not reallyy a bigg fan or anythhing but i do respect this guy he makes really cool content
i saw chinese streamer who still plays this build. I think he does something related to flask recovery nodes and poisoning. But im kinda clueless about pathfinder and any interactions with flasks at all. Is this can be playable still? Any thoughts?
Hi, man, tell me why, when you use the basic skill, do you have a cooldown of 0? and is there any more information about this build on passive talents? Thank you in advance!
That sisterhell channel doesn’t have any videos, are you familiar with where they are tracking Korean builds? As a Korean speaker I’d like the extra source of info!
you kind of just need to subscribe to a bunch of small korean/chinese build makers that post clips and you eventually get recommended gems. thats how ive done it at least
so if your low invested in the build and like the concept whats the next best skill to scale? or is widowhail just dead again?
Well, shoot i was enjoying the build , just got to early mapping after starting yesterday. A nerf to the damage over time component on very high levels of Tornado and Vine Arrow. These were never intended to be dealing damage themselves, but more so act as a way for other skills to propagate damage.
@jungroan May I ask you for where I can find info about the base damage of the skills and how they scale?
Do a simple thought experiment to see if it gets nerfed. If you tried this method of scaling with any other skill, would it be comparable in damage and clearspeed?
You can vaal RoA for -1 level to lower mana cost. Or use lowest lvl gem possible to begin with.
how is your mana cost on vine arrow so low? I know this build is dead but I'm planning something similar, and it seems impossible to have enough mana for it
Vine arrow getting adjusted this coming week. They are out for you Jung.
is the patch this week or next one?
im currently level 27 skill gem with a widowhail at 247. how much dips im supposed to be doing? im around 2.5k with hourglass and 1.2k with scattershot
Thank you for documenting fun builds in poe 2 before we common players can't play them anymore. Not sarcasm, I honestly love seeing builds like this even if i know ill never be able to afford em
It's fine if you can't afford it because those that can will spend 1000s of Exalts only to be nerfed in a week. Better to play something safe and decent then something broken.
how to cause the vine arrow to be poisoned ? do I need some support gem inside or another skill used at the same time ?? or maybe some passive in the tree ?
how long till this gets nerfed?
Would honestly be surprised if it lasts until Monday, very clearly a numerical oversight in how it scales. It has more than 50x the damage of the next most damaging skill at those gem levels (which has a very long cast time). You get a 1000x multiplier going from level 20 to 40 LOL. Most skills it's like 5-10x, so, yeah... someone put an extra zero somewhere they shouldn't have. But no, clearly intended and just using "generic scaling mechanics."
The prices of +skill level items will skyrocket
Until monday patch
I didn't like my build, I'm going to recommend doing this, what runes should I put on the weapon and armor?
Could you do a weapon swap to a high clip crossbow for wither application, won't cost a million mana since the quiver isn't applying then. Or does vine arrow not snapshot your quiver and start doing shit damage when you swap weapons?
should u socket the bow? and what would i use if if you do?
I wonder how people come up with this stuff, are you just looking at stats on maxroll and see the potential of a combo?
is this build already dead? How much Dmg do with the patch? im looking for some poison build with a least 300k-500k DoT
What's your next build for the chopping block Jung?
hi, im new to poe2, first time trying out the game, is it easy to play this build for early game ? i just want to have an easy less stress fun time, less buttons to press. just 1-2 buttons with big damage, is this the one for me?
no. its super weak early
GGG: Instructions unclear, nerf melee.
Can you level with this build as you go. Or is it something you have to respect in to
im leveling as it, and the boss damage is rough (almost act 1 boss now)
It's certainly not the fastest, but if you get a good multiplier on your Widowhail, and keep your quiver updated with good flat dmg and bow dmg rolls, an attack skill can carry you. I used Poisonburst Arrow even though this is NOT a poison build. ;)
respec into. you need to scale the gem lvl to at least lvl 30+ to make it playable, which requires an at least two fifty widow hail, quiver, helmet, amulet, and some jewels
Any suggestion on ascendency order?
what weapon socket is BiS? still mana per kill? i got a 249 bow w/ 3 sockets, hitting 300% w/ jewels
I was hoping patch would be 2 weeks out, could have farmed bunch of divines - RIP vine arrow
If you have to spend two mirrors to pull this off, then I don't see the problem. If there are no powerful builds at high investment, then what are we playing for.
Guys Monday is over in New Zealand ... no nerf? We good to play this?
7:58 WELL ROUNDED BEAST
that dig at comet hit hard lmao
I spy with my little eyes, a big as nerf hammer flying your way
fix in 3 2 1...
I like how he use Vine Arrow 3 times and whole mana evaporated :D
I mean the barrier to entry makes me think GGG might leave it alone, the cast on minion death stuff was way easier to do compared to this
that exponential curve is so busted it feels like they've done something accidentally which is why I assume it'll be patched.
So, I would like to start a new character, cause my minion infernalist is just not it, I'm looking for a build but I'm scared it will get nerfed, this one is looking amazing, what would you guys recommend me to do?
Search gas arrow Ben and follow that build. This build is very expensive(600 exalt to start, more than 3k exalt to min max)
Lets see how well this build aged in about 5 hours
I feel like I played this exact or nearly this exact build in poe one as a league starter a few times with Quill Rain. Obviously I didn't but dam if it doesn't look like it.
Wouldnt Queen of the Forest be insane with this for speed and evasion? I feel like you would FLY with it. Add a shit load of cost to the build tho.
yea its good but even more expensive
I stopped at act 2 as monk path to cocy build, now i think i will wait for the next patch to check if this build gonna survive. And for now im gonna go with my summoner.
ice strike monk build from raxx is good, struggled slightly on the dreadnought but it is bonkers on bosses you can insta kill them so quickly
@@pencilcheck Acting like you need a streamer to figure that out 😂
Toxic rain babyyyyyyy. Was already abusing this but didn't realize the levels scaled that damn hard. Noted.
OMG I am currently leveling toxic growth, vine arrow, gas arrow.... I guess I can pack up my 3 button build
Well your damage is not from vine arrow base damage at all so it should be fines
What are people making their builds into after nerf?
when they fix it i hope they also fix the vine arrow slow not working while they are at it..
but we all know they will only nerf the dmg and leave the bug in the game that is a downside for the player
sounds just like blizzard before season 7
2 weeks later, does it still work?
How do you get the damage scale of skill gems?
Yeah. I am not starting this build, spending tens of hours leveling and gearing it, just to have it nerfed right as I start to feel strong. I will stick to my deadeye for now.
Deadeye will get nerfed too
deadeye is the strongest ascendancy by far
i don't know if something is bugged or it is intentional but Hourglass doesn't apply to Vines' DOT, at least in tooltip
i dont understand what classe are u playing these not ranger it look mercenary passive tree
Poe2 = Poe1 in the end. One shot boss start to appear everywhere
It will get boring soon because there are not much chase items and veery simple prefix/suffix pool for items.
This is Poe baseline, it's not Elden Ring. Even there people can kill bosses very fast with certain buffs
You're going for the most builds nerfed in shortest time challenge?
Can you level as this build assuming you have good starter gear
What do you use to lvl?
What build can I use to complete the campaign before moving to this build?
Don't bother. This gonna get nuked next week. U have been warned
Waiting until New Zealand weekend to release a broken build guide, I see you Jung, I see you.
How much does this build cost with 240 widowhail right now? :)
Nerf inc as of 12-16 patch preview at around 4pm est
You gotta be fking kidding me.. i spent all night leveling a merc and they will kill it again
I can’t wait for another jungroan nerf reaction video
Lol i use poison pathfinder and always looked at vine arrow and thought this one is the weakest link in my build, i would have never guessed that it could be the strongest skill in the game.
And it is getting nerfed, see jungroans pinned comment
Thanks for letting me know what gets nerfed next, but please stay away from grenades because that's what I pam playing right now and I don't want to reroll
some other small youtubers else might've already done that...
They better fix issues like getting 3rd/4th ascendency points being disproportionately difficult before they nerf builds being used by like .0001% of players.
But how does it do damage? I'll watch again I probably missed something.
Can we level using the same gem or?
where do you find the gem level scaling
hi do you have a leveling guide to get to 40
I would love to have one as well just to see
still havnt seen anyone really use vine arrow, only people saying its going to get nerfed which at this point would be a suprise.
prepare to be surprised then, check today's announcement, it's been nerfed.
@@michaelblue4619 fucking rip
Where do you see those level numbers?
poe2db