I think that if they would have let a Sentinel have a spot on the council then Darth Sidious would have had a lot harder time bringing the Jedi order down. I feel that the Jedi got to dogmatic at the end and refused to accept that they were not always correct in their assumptions, a sentinel would be a more practical viewpoint that would have grounded the council.
I was going to make nearly the same suggestion. But since some council seats have shorter terms, I think if they would let one of these go to a sentinel for one term every few decades, the council would be significantly challenged for the better. I also believe over time with the viewpoint of the sentinels the jedi order will shift to one like Luke's jedi order, which seem much healthier way to run thing.
@@stevedude1032 The council were unwilling to tolerate being challenged, regardless of whether it was for the better. The sentinels were used by the order but unwelcome within it.
The Jedi Council feared that the Jedi Sentinels would go against their views because of how powerful they are. This would've lead Anakin to become one of the Jedi sentinel in order to fulfill his destiny to bring balance to the force.
This is exactly why I will always lean towards the concept of being a grey jedi sentinel and a bendu je'daii for they were wayless rigid than the counselor and guardian orders of the jedi and the same can be said about the grey Paladin order; plus the grey jedi code and the je'daii code are way better than the jedi and sith codes because they offers true balance!💯😉👍
@@vmaninc.761 ya gonna have to source that bro. Lucas has always said it is that way. Also. Everything is cannon. From a certain point of view. You are allow to have your opinion. And even your own headcannon. 😀🧨 But you are wrong. And Lucas says you are wrong too.
Sidious even notes in the Jedi Path that Sentinels were most of the Jedi who survived Order 66 and the most difficult to find. A Sentinel has the skills to ditch their saber and simply dissappear.
Sentinel and Gray Jedi seem to be the most practical but also strongest in the Order for their ability to tap into both sides and could be a direct threat to the classes.
My favorite too because the force is So even in life say you are 80 percent positive frequencies you still have 20 neagtive So the jedi nelgect alot of learn and intergrating they neagtive process Second imagine anakin being the choose one at max and being a sential He was a mechanic and engineer imagine build system Ships building sabers driods etc
This is exactly why I will always lean towards the concept of being a grey jedi sentinel and a bendu je'daii for they were wayless rigid than the counselor and guardian orders of the jedi and the same can be said about the grey Paladin order; plus the grey jedi code and the je'daii code are way better than the jedi and sith codes because they offers true balance!🔥💯😉👍
@1meme I have and I'm NOT accepting that because the je'daii order was a prime example of how it's possible to wield both the light and dark sides of the force in unison achieving true balance, like Kyle katarn once said there's no good or bad powers it's all a matter of perspective and how one chooses to use that power hence why the the grey jedi and jedi sentinel combine are the way to go!💯😁😉👍
I always liked the idea that there was a sentinel seat, held by like one of the top sentinels, who’s just always undercover or abroad searching stuff out, and he just like FaceTimes in twice a year or something for the general meeting
When I first play Kotor, the quiz they gave me made me a Jedi Sentinel, but I dogged refused and became a Jedi Consular... AND... I... REGRET... EVERYTHING!!!
According to Palpitine’s notes in the Jedi Path book the Sentinels actually made up the largest part of Order 66 survivors. Many of them might not have even been near the Clone Wars when the order was given or were acting as deep cover spies when Order 66 was issued. In Legends many Order 66 survivors that were Sentinels either remained in hiding and would either be found by Vader, joined the Rebels or lived in hiding long enough to join Luke’s new Jedi Order or they would give up the ways of the Jedi Order completely and either become ordinary civilians or in some cases fall to the Dark Side. But in Legends I’d say about 70-80% of Order 66 survivors were of the Sentinel class. In cannon this number is still somewhat unknown but we can assume that most of the survivors are Sentinels because of their skill sets.
Not exactly, Sentinels are a group with several sub-categories. If there's one that would be something akin to "special forces Jedi" it would be Jedi Shadows, which were the most capable Sentinels and would be sent alone on missions.
A Jedi Sentinel having a seat on the council would be extremely beneficial for the Jedi Order. Their knowledge obtained through their missions would most likely have led to the discovery of the Sith Rule of Two and as a result both the Jedi and Republic would have been better prepared.
The chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, should have been trained as a Jedi Sentinel. If I was a Jedi, I would be a Shadow. Some people say that the Jedi Shadow is part of the Sentinel class while others say that they are part of the Consul class. Remember, the brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
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A Sentinel would be constrained by the rules of the Council. They would be unable to act as they needed to and would be unable to work with or get reports from other Sentinels without having to involve the Council. This is why I think the Shadows (and probably other Sentinels) are managed by the Council of First Knowledge. Sentinels, by their nature, would be very individualistic and very much tied to their own missions, sectors, and communities - as well as being used to acting on their own, having allies that would not be conducive to being a visible Jedi on the High Council. Even the pirates Adi Gallia was allied with acted for the good of the Republic. Sentinels also wouldn't want the attention drawn to them as a member of the High Council. If there were a Sentinel Councilor, they would be visible - and thus, their class would be visible. If I were a Sentinel placed on the Council, I would tell everyone I was a different class and have a good way to hide what I did as a Sentinel. I wouldn't be surprised if the High Council were afraid of Sentinels falling or acting in a way that was best for the few instead of the many, or of being influenced by attachment more than the Guardians or Consulars. There would be a definitive bias against Jedi acting in such ways being on the Council, since they are the public face of and representatives of the Jedi Order as a whole. There's a lot of really good reasons Sentinels wouldn't want or need a seat on the High Council. But I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a Guardian or Consular or three who has been on the Council who was a Guardian or Consular in name only.
The sentinels were the Jedi best suited to seeing, and thus opposing, Palpatine's machinations. A sentinel or two on the council would've been the Jedi's best hope for survival, or even victory.
A Sentinel gets their kyber crystal like the others, by discovering it. But since it's just Guardians and Consular Jedi at the temple where the majpority of padawans come from they don't think there is a third path so they will usually go for the primary two paths of Jedi. It's very rare that a padawan would ignite their lightsaber for the first time and the blade is yellow.
I feel like if there was a token sentinel jedi at least in the room, even if not granted a seat, maybe the council may have been more loyal to the people instead of the senate. But such is the tragedy of hubris.
Both Revan and Malak were Sentinels, now that's back in the day, not the Republic era, but Old Republic era. But Revan and his buddy were both tasked with going out in the Unknown Region and hunt down a great vergence in the darkside of the Force... And well.... It didn't work out well for the republic lol. But yeah, one of the most famous force users in history was a Sentinel, gotta count for something.
Oh yes also what ever happened to the Jedi deemed less powerful and sent to the Jedi corps, we never found out what happened with them during order 66 , granted there connection to the force isn’t strong but non the less there still is a connection
Would love to see a lower budget version movie of a sentinel hunting down sith assassins on there own turf and seeing how they would deal with that. One on one sith assassin versus jedi sentinel! Would love too see this!
Sorry, this is my second message to the algorithm! Had the Jedi council had a couple of sentinels they probably would’ve perceived the threat of Palpatine.
Honest question because I couldn't find the answer in any forum yet: Are padawans trained by their masters to become a certain class (the one their master is also in) or can they decide for themselves after they've been knighted which class they want to specialise in? Wookiepedia suggests the latter, but does that mean a Guardian master trains his padawan in like a general way and after the padawan is knighted he can decide for himself if he also wants to become a guardian or maybe a sentinel? Or (which makes more sense to me) does a guardian train his padawan in the guardian way so that he'll naturally also become one?
Oh yes,love this class always have,since I have played this,on my second play through,this time as a Jedi Sentinel and looks and feels great so far,they would have made a great difference on the council and may have even attained victory in almost all the war's and battles,I was all for the darkside but the sentinel was my line back into the light,love them,great video on this class thank you.
This actually raises the question. Would post Empire Ahsoka be considered a Jedi Sentinel? Her skill set by this point as well as her way of thinking and doing things tends to match up with the Jedi Sentinels, so would that make her a Jedi Sentinel? 🤔
@@bradfordlindsey9781 Ahsoka took the red, darkside corrupted, crystals from the lightsabers of a dead Imperial inquisitor. Ahsoka then cleased the darkside from the crystals, which left them white.
5:49, what if Anakin was traind a Sentinal and teamd up whit 501 legion in the clone wars. I imagen an interesting dance whit the enemy army and comander in and dance of unusal takics and movments.
Honestly I think with the new lore we really have a chance to see Sentinels and even supposed shadows after the purge. We should even see survivors who were of caliber that even Vader and Palpatine nearly die fighting them. And only escape due to some external factor.
What a luxury to be feared by both sides and everyone alike :P And yet, at the end of the day, despite their practices, they still did their jobs with more than just a Council and the Order in mind, and heart. Honourable, independent, reliable, practical, sounds like a Force to be reckoned. I would most likely be in those ranks by nature and choice :)
I don't think it has anything to do with yellow lightsabers or "dark side". Sentinels are the kind that is more powerful than any other class. It's more likely the Jedi Council feared them because their voices would come with authority and clout that would probably affect a voting block majority within the council.
Great video! Based on this description of the Sentinels, I think Luke Skywalker and much of the NJO are more like Sentinels than anything else. Thoughts?
A Sentinel on the Council would have allowed them to not become so stuck and rigid. Allowing them to see Palpatine for what he was. And Qui-Gon Jinn may have been willing, knowing someone at least, is thinking outside of the box. My headcanon is that Revan was a Sentinel and the Council forced him to use a normal blue saber to hide his true nature, even from the start.
Another thing to consider is the covert nature of the sentinels. They don't want to be seen, and the Jedi High Council is very very visible. It would be akin to a spy turning into a politician, it could be done potentially, but it would carry some pretty major risks.
I believe if a Jedi sentinel were to be on the council, yes it would be very turbulent and quite possibly dangerous for not only the sentinel but many Jedi in the order, especially council members however, I believe that if they could, in fact get past that turbulence, it would create a major shift in how the Jedi perform their duties, and brought in their views of the force itself simply because Jedi sentinels use the Darkside more often than regular Jedi, such as guardians or counselors. I think if it could be done, there would be a lot more gray Jedis in the Jedi order, and through guidance of the sentinels more Jedi would be able to use the dark side as a tool rather than getting lost to it I liking this to the comparison of a drug attic to a doctor, the dry addict, uses the drugs and gets lost. The doctor uses the drugs only as needed, and also able to prescribe them to others as needed. That’s the best analogy I got in that would be my best, guess as to what could happen.
The jedi would have reverted and returned to the original "Je-daii" ,back when the sith and the jedi hadn't split and when they were at their most powerful
As I have mentioned in a previous video, I would probably follow the Jedi Sentinel path myself because I am a practical man who would use any benefit to solve problems. As for not allowing Sentinels in the counsel, I think 1 or two counsel members who are sentinels could prove useful to the order as a whole.
Follow up question: why was Bastilla Shan a sentinel when she strikes me as the polar opposite: a dogmatic yes gal for the council who doesn't have any particular skills outside of being a jedi? I'm aware that a lot of this gets defined after KOTOR I, but still, she doesn't particularly fit their admitedly limited definition of the role either.
A real-world analogy I've always used was that Guardians and Counselors were like bishops or at least parish monsignors, while the Jedi Council members were like archbishops or cardinals. Sentinels, on the other hand were like town friars, embedded in and serving immediate communities on a more or less permanent situation. I like the idea you mentioned about Sentinels splintering off. I've got a story idea about them never being part of the Order to begin with.
So we often touch on lightsaber colors and meanings. What we don’t hear much of us the canon reason why this can drastically differentiate. From my understanding Crystal systems like Ilum where saber crystals were usually harvested, were destroyed and or sabotaged by Sith. By the time of the clone wars few such places existed anymore. I remember this channel touching up on it briefly, but for the sake of posterity in the defense in my belief that green and blue for different classes are impractical to think of. Short of you being of a specific class like the sentinels or a faction like the Sith with a strict adherence to that tradition. Unlike how Ashoka purified crystals to being white, you could have a white saber from something like a krayt Pearl. With so many color variants and the plethora of meanings I think even when crystals were plentiful, attaching meaning to a color would be nothing more than preferential beliefs. Some masters might have attached strong meaning where others would have given it much less thought. That’s just my stance however. Great video none the less.
@@phoenixrising4573 Good point, this is why I don’t care much for legends. To many mysteries are unveiled, than to much is said which can contradict etc.
Jedi Sentinel don't have to be on the High Council since they have mastered the knowledge of both guardian and counselors even seekers. Also they are practical yet unorthodox jedi, they are high master jedi above master jedi's. They also aren't scared of pushing the boundaries of the force or experimenting with the force. They believe in a jedi falling in love, yet not over come by love. They are in an exceptional class all of their own. They are a combo of a Ninja hunter, Holy Angel of the hierarchy (like Holy Arch Angel Michael) an Israelite Warriors of old, who at one time were the greatest warriors of all time. I'd like to see the Jedi Sentinel more recognized in the movies.
I think Sentinel and Grey Jedi's would be great teachers to all Padawans. Learning to how to be resourceful beyond just creative force tricks and brute force tactics is highly useful and logical
I wonder if Anakin became a sentinel if because he would have been able and allowed to learn both sides if everything would have still happened the way it did or if things would be more balanced
I completely forgot to mention what a great video. This is in how overlook this Jedi order is! I personally have never played an enjoyable episode of Kotor or Kotor 2 unless I was playing a sentinel Jedi.
As always, the Jedi's inflexibility is not only the source of their strength, but also the reason for their downfall. They narrow-mindely sought to unbalance the Force towards the Light side. They may have had their reasons, but that inflexibility ultimately brought them back down. Ironic...
This is only true for canon. There was at least one known Jedi Sentinel in legends who sat on the High Council: Micah Giett (not sure if I'm spelling his name right)
I'd have reason to believe that the mindset of a genuine sentinel will have no desire for higher based leadership roles. Doing more quality work at the hands-on level with a select group as opposed to low quality broad stroking orders from a seat of hubris for many to follow when having no personal attention to the values of the individual. It's probably why they like to pass down the title. But that brings up a good question. How do they go through the process of student to master? Do they only have one saber between the two of them? How would you teach saber combat in a real world trial by fire expecting both parties to share only one blade and/or possibly a training weapon? Even more so, where does the original kyper crystal come from? Does the design of the saber get modified from host to host? Most importantly when does anyone get to create a new line of sentinel succession or is there only a specific set amount of sentinel sabers allowed to be held at any one point in time?
The Jedi Sentinals were feared by The Jedi Council because they practiced in areas of both the light and dark side of the force. The Council Feared that the Sentinals were likely to become unbalanced and corrupted by the dark side because they practiced areas of it. If a Sentinal was given a seat on the council and they then become unbalanced, they could most likely change the council, destroying the Jedi code. Also, the Sentinals are normally integrated into the public during their duties and have a higher risk of forming attachments like Anakin.
The more practical approach used by the Sentinels would likely mean they wouldn't want a seat on the council to begin with, as far as "danger" much like Qui Gon having a different approach I think it could keep the rest from getting too dogmatic however at the same time it could be argued giving a practical minded person who flirts with the dark side more power prove detrimental so maybe they are better off but there are definitely 2 sides to be argued
Maybe if they only had 1 sentinel on the council it would be more beneficial. Cause the council got to complacent and comfortable on how they do things and that’s why they were brought down by the sith. A sentinel would have told them what they themselves would think but be to afraid to say out loud.
I think the consular class is severely underrated.. My first thoughts on this were that sentinels/sentiniels would have brought the Empire quicker.. But ultimately I do think as stated in another comment the unorthodox perspective may have saved the day.. hard to tell for certain The Jedi Senteniel and Jedi Shadow were originally both part of the Warrior class Leaving The Consulars/Counselors and the Jedi Sage as the Reverse class.. The latter name was never finely panned out.. which is probably why it got altered in such a rush.. Long story short the names got mixed around quite a bit but the general emphasis is there.. The Shadows and Sentinels are some of the strongest opponents there are.. Were things to go to the Original plan they would have had a much more combative fighting style as opposed to the more balanced connection to the force.. All in all the old Republic is a great game, if you haven't tried it I highly recommend you check it out.. Choices in a game world can make or break a game, and while the quest choices may have fallen short, the class and modification choices are still and grandiose as ever :)
The Sentinels remained grounded and practical because they did not get caught up in Jedi Temple politics. But if a Sentinel was on the Council during the Clone Wars, the Sentinels may have had a better chance to anticipate the final attack on the Order and take steps to make sure their Jedi disappeared from any official records.
The condition of man today explains the fascination with the Sentinel perfectly. Most average fans don't have the physical build and required characteristics to be a Guardian, and most lack the wisdom and charisma needed to be a Consular. So of the course the computer community would want more information on how the "computer Jedi" would have fit into the equation. I wouldn't say this makes this class deadly or intimidating. In fact, I'd argue that they are much more akin to Will Ferrell in "The Other Guys" than anything...outcasts amongst their own order sentenced to menial work that has even been dubbed in these videos as the shit "no one else wants to do." Yes, there are very specific moments when I think this class could fill a viable role. But think about it like this: Let's say I'm the most gifted assassin in a power dominance hierarchy that despises the use of assassination...but yet every now and then it's more politically convenient to use me instead of a barbarian Incredible Hulk...does that really make my lethality greater? Or just my utility within the organization. And as soon as they are done with that very rarely needed task, who's to say I'm not shoved into the archive trashcan like a glass slipper condom that the Princess is ashamed of? This entire argument is ridiculous to me. Enter the keyboard jedi. 🤷🏼
It seems like due to the nature of how the sentinels did things that were not Jedi kosher and were open to utilizing the dark side it seems like no wonder the Grand Inquisitor, whom as I recall was a sentinel before, fell to the dark side,
Lots of Jedi fell to the dark side following the rise of the Empire. Some fell in reaction to the Empire and their own turbulent emotions. Others were scared of death and so pledged loyalty to the Emperor to avoid being killed. They were not made into Sith, but served the Empire in other ways.
A Jedi Sentinel would probably be “dangerous” to the Jedi Council and the status quo, and by proxy could be a healthy foil within the Order. However, I wonder how willing a Sentinel would be to sit on such a Council. They are practical by nature and prefer mingling in the galaxy. That is not what we see historically prioritized by the High Council
The sentinels not having a seat on the council is one of the many reasons the order fell. The Jedi council narrow minded the order into dam near extinction . That whole one band one sound methodology is how sidious was playing chess and the Jedi’s was playing candy land
Sentinels are provided the luxuries of serving their place in The Force. That Place is without Title or Seat. Yet being called Sentinel by others is the purpose of our place within The Force.
Wouldn't plo koon fall under sentinel cause he originally had a yellow lightsaber as well as he recruited asohka and recruiters fell under the sentinel category?
I can possibly see a sentinel joining the council and shortly leaving due to their preference to be amongst society. The council members did not agree with qui gon because they were in the temple too much. He could see from other viewpoints just like sentinels.
The Sentinels respect the traditions of station, the thing that they can trust- the Jedi Order. But acknowledge that outside of which their only ally is the force. They are aware they're extensions of the force and therefore trust themselves enough to do whatever necessary including tapping into the controlling "dark" side of the force to do what they think is right. Downright skywalker behavior
Have any of y’all played Jedi Power Battles on the original PlayStation? Plo Koon definitely wielded a yellow lightsaber and for that he was definitely my favorite character. I guess that wasn’t canon though from what I read.
Old video now, but could it be argued that the Sentinel philosophy actually won out in the end? Would it be safe to say Luke Skywalker's NJO Praxeum is Jedi Sentinelism in practice?
Ironically, the Jedi’s fear of the dark side is their biggest weakness. Doubt and fear are the reasons why no sentinels sat in the council, key principles of the dark side.
Aren’t sentinel’s the ones who focus solely on the blade why would they need a high council seat it would make no sense having someone good with a blade sidelined
I think that the Sentinel's need a seat on the Council. Their unique perspective would help uncover students who need help before it's too late. Imagine if someone could actually SEE the darkness growing within Anakin instead of just brushing it off as teenage angst. Truthfully, Anakin probably SHOULD have been a Sentinel, as bringing balance to the Force ment the destruction of the Dark Side.
I believe a Sentinel on the Jedi Council would offer an interesting insight into the greater galactic community and maybe sway the Council in crucial decisions.
This is a question for a future video: We all know that master Plo Koon was a better lightsaber duelist than yoda, but was he more powerful in the force.
This sounds a lot like Anikan Solo Han and Leia's youngest son in legends . Who died during the Vong wars. He saw the force pragmatically it being neither good nor bad a tool that the wielder intentions determined whether it was good or bad
He only employed the dark side in his fighting style, using his enjoyment of battle and the darkness within his foe and channeling them through his blade. I would suggest this firmly puts him in the "Guardian" role, especially since Vapaad made him an effective combatant against Sith regardless of whether they specialized in lightsaber dueling or manipulating the Force. If anything, he would be the first to oppose the sentinels.
Yeah, the Jedi Traditions are important, but the code became dogmatic after the Ruusan Reformation especially. Still, a Jedi Sentinel seems to be a solid choice for a unique Jedi OC during the Clone Wars. That said, not all Guardians and Consulars went against the Sentinel's way of framing. You could argue Qui-Gon would've been a decent Sentinel, though Consular still fits him well. All the roles are important for the various classes, so I respect their differences.
If you look at Luke's Jedi from legends this way then all of his Jedi and him would have to be considered Jedi Sentinels. They rarely followed the way the old order before the Empire did things thanks to Luke's teachings and trainings.
You would also think that somebody so knowledgeable would know that a golden light saver is different than a yellow light saber. Golden light sabers in particular were common during the high republic era and they were gold instead of yellow lol. It’s pretty simple at the end of rise of Skywalker Ray has a yellow light saber, not a golden light saber. And the Jedi temple guards had yellow light sabers, not golden light sabers, Jedi sentinels, wield, yellow light sabers, not golden light sabers.
The Jedi sentinels / shadow was to root out the dark side. That being said they never pulled roots (sith) just weeds (sith artifacts) if a sentinel would had found plagus or sidious, bane, any of them...then that sentinel would had been recognized and put on the council.
I think that if they would have let a Sentinel have a spot on the council then Darth Sidious would have had a lot harder time bringing the Jedi order down. I feel that the Jedi got to dogmatic at the end and refused to accept that they were not always correct in their assumptions, a sentinel would be a more practical viewpoint that would have grounded the council.
If the didn't boot the sentinel out because they were too dogmatic and too many disagreements between the sentinel and the rest of the Council.
I was going to make nearly the same suggestion. But since some council seats have shorter terms, I think if they would let one of these go to a sentinel for one term every few decades, the council would be significantly challenged for the better. I also believe over time with the viewpoint of the sentinels the jedi order will shift to one like Luke's jedi order, which seem much healthier way to run thing.
@@stevedude1032 The council were unwilling to tolerate being challenged, regardless of whether it was for the better. The sentinels were used by the order but unwelcome within it.
@@Dennis-vh8tz I agree. This is why the sith nearly destroyed all the jedi and took over the republic.
Or if they still have more active Jedi Shadows they might have been able to connect the dots between Maul and Sidious or something
The Jedi Council feared that the Jedi Sentinels would go against their views because of how powerful they are. This would've lead Anakin to become one of the Jedi sentinel in order to fulfill his destiny to bring balance to the force.
This is exactly why I will always lean towards the concept of being a grey jedi sentinel and a bendu je'daii for they were wayless rigid than the counselor and guardian orders of the jedi and the same can be said about the grey Paladin order; plus the grey jedi code and the je'daii code are way better than the jedi and sith codes because they offers true balance!💯😉👍
@@vmaninc.761 there is no grey. No in-between. There is the force, and the perversion of it for personal gain.
@Amos Hanson That's respectfully your viewpoint of it and more power to you but there's too much material on the subject that proves otherwise!💯🔥😁😉👍
@@vmaninc.761 ya gonna have to source that bro. Lucas has always said it is that way.
Also. Everything is cannon. From a certain point of view.
You are allow to have your opinion. And even your own headcannon. 😀🧨
But you are wrong. And Lucas says you are wrong too.
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Sidious even notes in the Jedi Path that Sentinels were most of the Jedi who survived Order 66 and the most difficult to find. A Sentinel has the skills to ditch their saber and simply dissappear.
Sentinels are practical Jedi. If I were a Jedi I would be a Jedi sentinel
Anakin should have been a sentinel.
ABSOLUTELY
If I were a Jedi I'd choose to be a Sentinel too.
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I think of them like the jedi special forces
Would love for a series to be based on the Jedi Sentinels someday.
I would watch that in a second
It's in the works. I'm writing it now!
@@NickMessersmithit better be for the Jedi shadows, think of it: Jedi cia
As long as it's not done by Disney's Kennedyfilms
A Jason Bourne version of Star Wars would be sick!
Sentinel and Gray Jedi seem to be the most practical but also strongest in the Order for their ability to tap into both sides and could be a direct threat to the classes.
My favorite too because the force is
So even in life say you are 80 percent positive frequencies you still have 20 neagtive
So the jedi nelgect alot of learn and intergrating they neagtive process
Second imagine anakin being the choose one at max and being a sential
He was a mechanic and engineer imagine build system
Ships building sabers driods etc
My fault a couple spelling checks
This is exactly why I will always lean towards the concept of being a grey jedi sentinel and a bendu je'daii for they were wayless rigid than the counselor and guardian orders of the jedi and the same can be said about the grey Paladin order; plus the grey jedi code and the je'daii code are way better than the jedi and sith codes because they offers true balance!🔥💯😉👍
Go look up why Grey Jedi aren't plausible. It's called the Failure of the Grey Jedi. You're welcome
@1meme I have and I'm NOT accepting that because the je'daii order was a prime example of how it's possible to wield both the light and dark sides of the force in unison achieving true balance, like Kyle katarn once said there's no good or bad powers it's all a matter of perspective and how one chooses to use that power hence why the the grey jedi and jedi sentinel combine are the way to go!💯😁😉👍
I always liked the idea that there was a sentinel seat, held by like one of the top sentinels, who’s just always undercover or abroad searching stuff out, and he just like FaceTimes in twice a year or something for the general meeting
I've been in love with the Jedi Sentinels ever since I first heard about them, really happy to see them getting some recognition here on this channel!
When I first play Kotor, the quiz they gave me made me a Jedi Sentinel, but I dogged refused and became a Jedi Consular... AND... I... REGRET... EVERYTHING!!!
I wonder how many sentinels were survivors during the empire and completely forgot or hidden from the empire.
According to Palpitine’s notes in the Jedi Path book the Sentinels actually made up the largest part of Order 66 survivors. Many of them might not have even been near the Clone Wars when the order was given or were acting as deep cover spies when Order 66 was issued. In Legends many Order 66 survivors that were Sentinels either remained in hiding and would either be found by Vader, joined the Rebels or lived in hiding long enough to join Luke’s new Jedi Order or they would give up the ways of the Jedi Order completely and either become ordinary civilians or in some cases fall to the Dark Side. But in Legends I’d say about 70-80% of Order 66 survivors were of the Sentinel class. In cannon this number is still somewhat unknown but we can assume that most of the survivors are Sentinels because of their skill sets.
#Luthen
In Legends there were a number of them, Canon inknownn
_"If only 10 Jedi manage to survive Order 66, at least half of them will be Sentinels."_ -Palpatine
I'd bet all shadows survived.
Sentinels are my favorite class. A special forces Jedi.
Not exactly, Sentinels are a group with several sub-categories.
If there's one that would be something akin to "special forces Jedi" it would be Jedi Shadows, which were the most capable Sentinels and would be sent alone on missions.
My guess, neither Yoda nor Mace Windu were prepared to listen to Sentinel wisdom.
A Jedi Sentinel having a seat on the council would be extremely beneficial for the Jedi Order. Their knowledge obtained through their missions would most likely have led to the discovery of the Sith Rule of Two and as a result both the Jedi and Republic would have been better prepared.
most likely? thats a big claim, and one i highly doubt
Yoda knew of the rule of two.. he even said it.. always two there are no more no less
The chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, should have been trained as a Jedi Sentinel.
If I was a Jedi, I would be a Shadow.
Some people say that the Jedi Shadow is part of the Sentinel class while others say that they are part of the Consul class.
Remember, the brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
Anakin is too pussy to be sentinel
Good old Master Jarael Poof, he survived Order 66 thanks to being relegated to being the council's pizza delivery guy.
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A Sentinel would be constrained by the rules of the Council. They would be unable to act as they needed to and would be unable to work with or get reports from other Sentinels without having to involve the Council. This is why I think the Shadows (and probably other Sentinels) are managed by the Council of First Knowledge.
Sentinels, by their nature, would be very individualistic and very much tied to their own missions, sectors, and communities - as well as being used to acting on their own, having allies that would not be conducive to being a visible Jedi on the High Council. Even the pirates Adi Gallia was allied with acted for the good of the Republic.
Sentinels also wouldn't want the attention drawn to them as a member of the High Council. If there were a Sentinel Councilor, they would be visible - and thus, their class would be visible. If I were a Sentinel placed on the Council, I would tell everyone I was a different class and have a good way to hide what I did as a Sentinel.
I wouldn't be surprised if the High Council were afraid of Sentinels falling or acting in a way that was best for the few instead of the many, or of being influenced by attachment more than the Guardians or Consulars. There would be a definitive bias against Jedi acting in such ways being on the Council, since they are the public face of and representatives of the Jedi Order as a whole.
There's a lot of really good reasons Sentinels wouldn't want or need a seat on the High Council.
But I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a Guardian or Consular or three who has been on the Council who was a Guardian or Consular in name only.
The sentinels were the Jedi best suited to seeing, and thus opposing, Palpatine's machinations. A sentinel or two on the council would've been the Jedi's best hope for survival, or even victory.
A Sentinel gets their kyber crystal like the others, by discovering it. But since it's just Guardians and Consular Jedi at the temple where the majpority of padawans come from they don't think there is a third path so they will usually go for the primary two paths of Jedi. It's very rare that a padawan would ignite their lightsaber for the first time and the blade is yellow.
I feel like if there was a token sentinel jedi at least in the room, even if not granted a seat, maybe the council may have been more loyal to the people instead of the senate. But such is the tragedy of hubris.
Both Revan and Malak were Sentinels, now that's back in the day, not the Republic era, but Old Republic era. But Revan and his buddy were both tasked with going out in the Unknown Region and hunt down a great vergence in the darkside of the Force... And well.... It didn't work out well for the republic lol. But yeah, one of the most famous force users in history was a Sentinel, gotta count for something.
I'd love to see a movie just based on the sentinels during and after order 66.
Oh yes also what ever happened to the Jedi deemed less powerful and sent to the Jedi corps, we never found out what happened with them during order 66 , granted there connection to the force isn’t strong but non the less there still is a connection
Would love to see a lower budget version movie of a sentinel hunting down sith assassins on there own turf and seeing how they would deal with that.
One on one sith assassin versus jedi sentinel!
Would love too see this!
Sorry, this is my second message to the algorithm! Had the Jedi council had a couple of sentinels they probably would’ve perceived the threat of Palpatine.
Honest question because I couldn't find the answer in any forum yet: Are padawans trained by their masters to become a certain class (the one their master is also in) or can they decide for themselves after they've been knighted which class they want to specialise in? Wookiepedia suggests the latter, but does that mean a Guardian master trains his padawan in like a general way and after the padawan is knighted he can decide for himself if he also wants to become a guardian or maybe a sentinel? Or (which makes more sense to me) does a guardian train his padawan in the guardian way so that he'll naturally also become one?
Oh yes,love this class always have,since I have played this,on my second play through,this time as a Jedi Sentinel and looks and feels great so far,they would have made a great difference on the council and may have even attained victory in almost all the war's and battles,I was all for the darkside but the sentinel was my line back into the light,love them,great video on this class thank you.
Because Sidious fears the Sentinels more than any other Jedi, the Council should use it to their advantage and have one sit with them
This actually raises the question. Would post Empire Ahsoka be considered a Jedi Sentinel? Her skill set by this point as well as her way of thinking and doing things tends to match up with the Jedi Sentinels, so would that make her a Jedi Sentinel? 🤔
I'd say she's a sentinel for sure.
Seems to fit the way she is presented in the stories.
No. Ahsoka had a similar mindset to a Sentinel but rejected the order and thus shouldn't be considered a Jedi.
@@Dennis-vh8tz is that why the blades of her sabers are white instead of yellow?
@@bradfordlindsey9781 Ahsoka took the red, darkside corrupted, crystals from the lightsabers of a dead Imperial inquisitor. Ahsoka then cleased the darkside from the crystals, which left them white.
This is why Plo Koon had his saber color changed... I will still always love the Episode 1 game for Plo and Adi in particular.
5:49, what if Anakin was traind a Sentinal and teamd up whit 501 legion in the clone wars. I imagen an interesting dance whit the enemy army and comander in and dance of unusal takics and movments.
A Sentinel and Gray Jedi should make their own council because they help other beings in the galaxy other then themselves
I think a seat would be a good idea since they see more of how things effect ordinary beings
Master Tera Sinube was a sentinel on the council according to wookiped.
Having a sentinel on the counsel would force them to deal with situations as they are and not as they should be or as others want them to be.
Honestly I think with the new lore we really have a chance to see Sentinels and even supposed shadows after the purge. We should even see survivors who were of caliber that even Vader and Palpatine nearly die fighting them. And only escape due to some external factor.
I'm writing it. It's in the works!
What a luxury to be feared by both sides and everyone alike :P
And yet, at the end of the day, despite their practices, they still did their jobs with more than just a Council and the Order in mind, and heart. Honourable, independent, reliable, practical, sounds like a Force to be reckoned.
I would most likely be in those ranks by nature and choice :)
I don't think it has anything to do with yellow lightsabers or "dark side". Sentinels are the kind that is more powerful than any other class. It's more likely the Jedi Council feared them because their voices would come with authority and clout that would probably affect a voting block majority within the council.
A practical analysis on the jedi sentinels class. I didn't know that no member of that class served on the jedi council in any era of star wars.
another classic stupendous wave video, doesnt get to the actual content of the video until half way through lol
Great video! Based on this description of the Sentinels, I think Luke Skywalker and much of the NJO are more like Sentinels than anything else. Thoughts?
A Sentinel on the Council would have allowed them to not become so stuck and rigid. Allowing them to see Palpatine for what he was. And Qui-Gon Jinn may have been willing, knowing someone at least, is thinking outside of the box. My headcanon is that Revan was a Sentinel and the Council forced him to use a normal blue saber to hide his true nature, even from the start.
Another thing to consider is the covert nature of the sentinels. They don't want to be seen, and the Jedi High Council is very very visible. It would be akin to a spy turning into a politician, it could be done potentially, but it would carry some pretty major risks.
I believe if a Jedi sentinel were to be on the council, yes it would be very turbulent and quite possibly dangerous for not only the sentinel but many Jedi in the order, especially council members however, I believe that if they could, in fact get past that turbulence, it would create a major shift in how the Jedi perform their duties, and brought in their views of the force itself simply because Jedi sentinels use the Darkside more often than regular Jedi, such as guardians or counselors. I think if it could be done, there would be a lot more gray Jedis in the Jedi order, and through guidance of the sentinels more Jedi would be able to use the dark side as a tool rather than getting lost to it I liking this to the comparison of a drug attic to a doctor, the dry addict, uses the drugs and gets lost. The doctor uses the drugs only as needed, and also able to prescribe them to others as needed. That’s the best analogy I got in that would be my best, guess as to what could happen.
The jedi would have reverted and returned to the original "Je-daii" ,back when the sith and the jedi hadn't split and when they were at their most powerful
As I have mentioned in a previous video, I would probably follow the Jedi Sentinel path myself because I am a practical man who would use any benefit to solve problems. As for not allowing Sentinels in the counsel, I think 1 or two counsel members who are sentinels could prove useful to the order as a whole.
Follow up question: why was Bastilla Shan a sentinel when she strikes me as the polar opposite: a dogmatic yes gal for the council who doesn't have any particular skills outside of being a jedi? I'm aware that a lot of this gets defined after KOTOR I, but still, she doesn't particularly fit their admitedly limited definition of the role either.
A real-world analogy I've always used was that Guardians and Counselors were like bishops or at least parish monsignors, while the Jedi Council members were like archbishops or cardinals. Sentinels, on the other hand were like town friars, embedded in and serving immediate communities on a more or less permanent situation.
I like the idea you mentioned about Sentinels splintering off. I've got a story idea about them never being part of the Order to begin with.
So we often touch on lightsaber colors and meanings. What we don’t hear much of us the canon reason why this can drastically differentiate. From my understanding Crystal systems like Ilum where saber crystals were usually harvested, were destroyed and or sabotaged by Sith. By the time of the clone wars few such places existed anymore. I remember this channel touching up on it briefly, but for the sake of posterity in the defense in my belief that green and blue for different classes are impractical to think of. Short of you being of a specific class like the sentinels or a faction like the Sith with a strict adherence to that tradition. Unlike how Ashoka purified crystals to being white, you could have a white saber from something like a krayt Pearl. With so many color variants and the plethora of meanings I think even when crystals were plentiful, attaching meaning to a color would be nothing more than preferential beliefs. Some masters might have attached strong meaning where others would have given it much less thought. That’s just my stance however. Great video none the less.
Depends on whether you're discussing canon or legends. The mouse is moving towards a simplified answer.
@@phoenixrising4573 Good point, this is why I don’t care much for legends. To many mysteries are unveiled, than to much is said which can contradict etc.
Jedi Sentinel don't have to be on the High Council since they have mastered the knowledge of both guardian and counselors even seekers. Also they are practical yet unorthodox jedi, they are high master jedi above master jedi's. They also aren't scared of pushing the boundaries of the force or experimenting with the force. They believe in a jedi falling in love, yet not over come by love. They are in an exceptional class all of their own. They are a combo of a Ninja hunter, Holy Angel of the hierarchy (like Holy Arch Angel Michael) an Israelite Warriors of old, who at one time were the greatest warriors of all time. I'd like to see the Jedi Sentinel more recognized in the movies.
I think Sentinel and Grey Jedi's would be great teachers to all Padawans. Learning to how to be resourceful beyond just creative force tricks and brute force tactics is highly useful and logical
I wonder if Anakin became a sentinel if because he would have been able and allowed to learn both sides if everything would have still happened the way it did or if things would be more balanced
I completely forgot to mention what a great video. This is in how overlook this Jedi order is! I personally have never played an enjoyable episode of Kotor or Kotor 2 unless I was playing a sentinel Jedi.
As always, the Jedi's inflexibility is not only the source of their strength, but also the reason for their downfall. They narrow-mindely sought to unbalance the Force towards the Light side. They may have had their reasons, but that inflexibility ultimately brought them back down. Ironic...
This is only true for canon. There was at least one known Jedi Sentinel in legends who sat on the High Council: Micah Giett (not sure if I'm spelling his name right)
I'd have reason to believe that the mindset of a genuine sentinel will have no desire for higher based leadership roles. Doing more quality work at the hands-on level with a select group as opposed to low quality broad stroking orders from a seat of hubris for many to follow when having no personal attention to the values of the individual. It's probably why they like to pass down the title. But that brings up a good question. How do they go through the process of student to master? Do they only have one saber between the two of them? How would you teach saber combat in a real world trial by fire expecting both parties to share only one blade and/or possibly a training weapon? Even more so, where does the original kyper crystal come from? Does the design of the saber get modified from host to host? Most importantly when does anyone get to create a new line of sentinel succession or is there only a specific set amount of sentinel sabers allowed to be held at any one point in time?
The Jedi Sentinals were feared by The Jedi Council because they practiced in areas of both the light and dark side of the force. The Council Feared that the Sentinals were likely to become unbalanced and corrupted by the dark side because they practiced areas of it. If a Sentinal was given a seat on the council and they then become unbalanced, they could most likely change the council, destroying the Jedi code. Also, the Sentinals are normally integrated into the public during their duties and have a higher risk of forming attachments like Anakin.
The more practical approach used by the Sentinels would likely mean they wouldn't want a seat on the council to begin with, as far as "danger" much like Qui Gon having a different approach I think it could keep the rest from getting too dogmatic however at the same time it could be argued giving a practical minded person who flirts with the dark side more power prove detrimental so maybe they are better off but there are definitely 2 sides to be argued
Maybe if they only had 1 sentinel on the council it would be more beneficial. Cause the council got to complacent and comfortable on how they do things and that’s why they were brought down by the sith. A sentinel would have told them what they themselves would think but be to afraid to say out loud.
What were the numbers of each group during order 66 & what happened to the Sentinels?
I think the consular class is severely underrated..
My first thoughts on this were that sentinels/sentiniels would have brought the Empire quicker..
But ultimately I do think as stated in another comment the unorthodox perspective may have saved the day.. hard to tell for certain
The Jedi Senteniel and Jedi Shadow were originally both part of the Warrior class
Leaving The Consulars/Counselors and the Jedi Sage as the Reverse class..
The latter name was never finely panned out.. which is probably why it got altered in such a rush..
Long story short the names got mixed around quite a bit but the general emphasis is there..
The Shadows and Sentinels are some of the strongest opponents there are..
Were things to go to the Original plan they would have had a much more combative fighting style as opposed to the more balanced connection to the force..
All in all the old Republic is a great game, if you haven't tried it I highly recommend you check it out..
Choices in a game world can make or break a game, and while the quest choices may have fallen short, the class and modification choices are still and grandiose as ever :)
The Sentinels remained grounded and practical because they did not get caught up in Jedi Temple politics. But if a Sentinel was on the Council during the Clone Wars, the Sentinels may have had a better chance to anticipate the final attack on the Order and take steps to make sure their Jedi disappeared from any official records.
The condition of man today explains the fascination with the Sentinel perfectly. Most average fans don't have the physical build and required characteristics to be a Guardian, and most lack the wisdom and charisma needed to be a Consular. So of the course the computer community would want more information on how the "computer Jedi" would have fit into the equation.
I wouldn't say this makes this class deadly or intimidating. In fact, I'd argue that they are much more akin to Will Ferrell in "The Other Guys" than anything...outcasts amongst their own order sentenced to menial work that has even been dubbed in these videos as the shit "no one else wants to do." Yes, there are very specific moments when I think this class could fill a viable role.
But think about it like this:
Let's say I'm the most gifted assassin in a power dominance hierarchy that despises the use of assassination...but yet every now and then it's more politically convenient to use me instead of a barbarian Incredible Hulk...does that really make my lethality greater? Or just my utility within the organization. And as soon as they are done with that very rarely needed task, who's to say I'm not shoved into the archive trashcan like a glass slipper condom that the Princess is ashamed of? This entire argument is ridiculous to me.
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It seems like due to the nature of how the sentinels did things that were not Jedi kosher and were open to utilizing the dark side it seems like no wonder the Grand Inquisitor, whom as I recall was a sentinel before, fell to the dark side,
Lots of Jedi fell to the dark side following the rise of the Empire.
Some fell in reaction to the Empire and their own turbulent emotions.
Others were scared of death and so pledged loyalty to the Emperor to avoid being killed.
They were not made into Sith, but served the Empire in other ways.
A Jedi Sentinel would probably be “dangerous” to the Jedi Council and the status quo, and by proxy could be a healthy foil within the Order. However, I wonder how willing a Sentinel would be to sit on such a Council. They are practical by nature and prefer mingling in the galaxy. That is not what we see historically prioritized by the High Council
The sentinels not having a seat on the council is one of the many reasons the order fell. The Jedi council narrow minded the order into dam near extinction . That whole one band one sound methodology is how sidious was playing chess and the Jedi’s was playing candy land
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Sentinels are provided the luxuries of serving their place in The Force. That Place is without Title or Seat. Yet being called Sentinel by others is the purpose of our place within The Force.
They should make a video game about one of these fellas
Wouldn't plo koon fall under sentinel cause he originally had a yellow lightsaber as well as he recruited asohka and recruiters fell under the sentinel category?
Master Tera Sinube was a sentinel and according to wookipedia served on the high council.
I can possibly see a sentinel joining the council and shortly leaving due to their preference to be amongst society. The council members did not agree with qui gon because they were in the temple too much. He could see from other viewpoints just like sentinels.
Couldn't battlemaster of the temple guard have gone for membership on the council? Would've been positioned to attend most meetings.
The Sentinels respect the traditions of station, the thing that they can trust- the Jedi Order. But acknowledge that outside of which their only ally is the force. They are aware they're extensions of the force and therefore trust themselves enough to do whatever necessary including tapping into the controlling "dark" side of the force to do what they think is right.
Downright skywalker behavior
Is there a list of like most powerful sentinel?
Have any of y’all played Jedi Power Battles on the original PlayStation? Plo Koon definitely wielded a yellow lightsaber and for that he was definitely my favorite character. I guess that wasn’t canon though from what I read.
Master Vos is an example of a Sintenel
Old video now, but could it be argued that the Sentinel philosophy actually won out in the end? Would it be safe to say Luke Skywalker's NJO Praxeum is Jedi Sentinelism in practice?
Ironically, the Jedi’s fear of the dark side is their biggest weakness. Doubt and fear are the reasons why no sentinels sat in the council, key principles of the dark side.
By the way, didn't Disney do away with the whole Guardian -Counselor-Sentinel thing?
Pretty sure in legends plo koon was a sentinel that used a yellow light saber sometimes
Aren’t sentinel’s the ones who focus solely on the blade why would they need a high council seat it would make no sense having someone good with a blade sidelined
There should be at least one seat on the Council.
Sentinels are awesome. Thanks for the great content. Much love.
I think that the Sentinel's need a seat on the Council. Their unique perspective would help uncover students who need help before it's too late. Imagine if someone could actually SEE the darkness growing within Anakin instead of just brushing it off as teenage angst. Truthfully, Anakin probably SHOULD have been a Sentinel, as bringing balance to the Force ment the destruction of the Dark Side.
This suits anakin more tbh he shouldve become one and anihalated palpatine
I believe a Sentinel on the Jedi Council would offer an interesting insight into the greater galactic community and maybe sway the Council in crucial decisions.
So is plo kun a sentinel
I’m feel like Mace creating Vapaad is something that a Sentinel would do
Just for the record, of course, the guardians and counsellors would be scared of the night of a sentinel Councilmember
5:27 character's name solely for research purposes
This is a question for a future video: We all know that master Plo Koon was a better lightsaber duelist than yoda, but was he more powerful in the force.
This sounds a lot like Anikan Solo Han and Leia's youngest son in legends . Who died during the Vong wars. He saw the force pragmatically it being neither good nor bad a tool that the wielder intentions determined whether it was good or bad
Most likely they were feared and under appreciated
Don't forget that there's never been a Jedi shadow on the council either who could also be considered a special forces Jedi unit
We know mace windu was highly unconventional with his fighting style. Is it confirmed that his Jedi class was guardian or consular and not sentinel?
He only employed the dark side in his fighting style, using his enjoyment of battle and the darkness within his foe and channeling them through his blade.
I would suggest this firmly puts him in the "Guardian" role, especially since Vapaad made him an effective combatant against Sith regardless of whether they specialized in lightsaber dueling or manipulating the Force.
If anything, he would be the first to oppose the sentinels.
Yeah, the Jedi Traditions are important, but the code became dogmatic after the Ruusan Reformation especially. Still, a Jedi Sentinel seems to be a solid choice for a unique Jedi OC during the Clone Wars.
That said, not all Guardians and Consulars went against the Sentinel's way of framing. You could argue Qui-Gon would've been a decent Sentinel, though Consular still fits him well. All the roles are important for the various classes, so I respect their differences.
To me, Sentinels were Jedi sleeper agents. Unknown and unrevealed until they are absolutely needed.
If you look at Luke's Jedi from legends this way then all of his Jedi and him would have to be considered Jedi Sentinels. They rarely followed the way the old order before the Empire did things thanks to Luke's teachings and trainings.
To add to that as "my point of view", I think Luke's Legend Jedi were by far the strongest Jedi of the entire Jedi legacy that came before and after.
You would also think that somebody so knowledgeable would know that a golden light saver is different than a yellow light saber. Golden light sabers in particular were common during the high republic era and they were gold instead of yellow lol. It’s pretty simple at the end of rise of Skywalker Ray has a yellow light saber, not a golden light saber. And the Jedi temple guards had yellow light sabers, not golden light sabers, Jedi sentinels, wield, yellow light sabers, not golden light sabers.
Of course the Sentinels don't have a seat on the High Council, they have *REAL* work to be doing.
The Jedi sentinels / shadow was to root out the dark side. That being said they never pulled roots (sith) just weeds (sith artifacts) if a sentinel would had found plagus or sidious, bane, any of them...then that sentinel would had been recognized and put on the council.
Make room for the Sentinels council
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