In wondering what happened with this hardware, i thought "I bet a disagreement between Sega Japan and Sega America killed this one too." and then that turned out to be the case. Imagine how different gaming history could've been if the two regional branches of Sega were in unison rather than at odds, as seemed tp be the case once the Genesis took off in the American markets.
Sega of America was the more pragmatic arm of Sega and insisted that Sega develop new hardware instead of add-ons when it came to the Genesis. What killed Sega's console market share was Sega CD and 32x instead of using all of that money to pump marketing and game development into the Sega Saturn. Remember that the target demographic for the Playstation (more adult games) was Sega's demographic with the Genesis. If Sega would have taken that money they spent developing the Sega CD and 32x add ons and channeled it into the Saturn we wouldn't be discussing the downfall of Sega as a console producer today. Sega of America was always pushing back against the idea of add-ons because they had a repeated history of failing and setting Sega back as a company.
I'm in the camp that thinks Sega should have stuck with Sega Cd and 32x. The Saturn was screwed the moment they went with dual cpus. That happened because Sega used their arcade tech for consels. It was great for Sega but bad for 3rd parties. The lack of good dev support killed it.
@caribeskinner6290 if the 32x and Sega cd aren't forced on the genesis the Saturn gets better hardware in general and may not have the dreaded dual cpu architecture
I was one of maybe 3 people who used a SCSI Zip drive as a bootable hard drive for my Amiga. Compared to a normal hard drive, it wasn't too much slower but it was a LOT quieter (especially since it would stop spinning when not in use). And if I ran out of space, I could just format another zip disk for a fresh bootable drive ... another 100 megs of space! (Unlike most computer systems, the Amiga supported dynamic sized RAM drive, so it was possible to store the commonly used OS files on the RAM drive. This could easily eliminate or dramatically reduce the amount of disc swapping needed for basic OS tasks. The Amiga OS was perhaps the only fully multitasking OS that was truly usable on removable media.)
Another problem was that by the time of the Dreamcast, Zip drives were best known for the “click of death.” Not exactly what you want to think of when buying a storage device.
I went through 2 drives back in the day on my LCIII, but there simply was no cheaper storage back then, this was the blue 100meg ones@@caribeskinner6290
@@NextNate03a disk burner would have been a terrible idea, rewritables would have been the only solution but cdrws were unreliable and dvdrws hadn't been invented (or at least weren't widespread)in 99. Then you get into the stupidity of allowing written disks to execute Dreamcast code (which would be required for DLC to work), that's literally giving your customers a way to run backup games without the need for a boot cd. USB sticks would have been a bad move too, they're unreliable, tiny (1 - 32mb) in 99 and they were prone to failure, that's why the more expensive battery backed up ram was used for memory cards and then switched out for hard drives once the Xbox launched. Zip drives were chosen because they were smaller than a Dreamcast disk (so no risk of running disk backups), they were designed to be written constantly and were more robust than either USB or flash drives. You can't scratch a minidisk and can write to it thousands of times more than a flash drive.
@@NextNate03 You realize only the earlier models can run those CD's and the Dreamcast wasn't a CD burner as well. This answer is completely impractical.
In the modern day, would you buy a PS Portal if it, without running games, had half a terabyte storage and could run those games on any PS5 without checking online for credentials? Just have them tied to that hardware storage physically. I'm just wondering, because I expect a magical sweet spot where it's both "physical DRM" and "all-digital future" horror stories, and people would hate it.
The Dreamcast was the very 1st console that I had ever played online with my internet (with no additional fees believe it or not unlike the others who require you to pay to just use your already purchased internet service's. It was alot of fun and I remember hearing about this in the official DC magazine.
Sony Online gaming didn't require a purchase at all and PS+ which was implemented originally in 2006 was optional. Not until the PS4 was it mandatory @@TexasHollowEarth
If this happened, imagine if future Dreamcast games supported the ZIP drive add-on and include a "file operation" menu that allowed users to manage save data and DLC among the VMUs, ZIP drive and FAT32-formatted USB drives. That way, you can load and save game data from the ZIP or USB without needing a VMU. This would be perfect for Dreamcast arcade sticks and controller adapters without VMU slots. Eventually the Xbox happened, and with a hard disk included in the system a Memory Unit is no longer required to load and save game progress. Not only that, the DreamShell SD Card adapter also came out, but I wished Dreamcast games were hacked to include SD card saving. There are arcade sticks and controller adapters that don't have a VMU slot, and many Dreamcast games will only load and save from Socket A-1, which I think is ridiculous.
As I sit here in my living room looking at my Sega Dreamcast sitting next to the TV. Absolutely love the Dreamcast and it was absolutely mind-blowing for its time. The online aspect of the system was way ahead of its time and it's a shame it never really took off.
Remember those iomega drives. My mother had those for her work at home for storing webpages and similar stuff. Crazy where we are today with 1tb micro sd cards the size of a fingernail.
@@DukeNukem2020 Really? When was that? My friends had a cd burner and were copying music and playstation cds in early 1999. Don’t know if that was the norm but I remember only a few people having one.
@@Lock2002ful I went in 2002 but experimented with cd burning since 1998. I just remember compatibly was an issue for me back then (I kept getting CD-Rs, without realizing I could only read from them once I burned and didn’t know I needed CD-RWs)
@@DukeNukem2020 Ahh, ok. Cool. I personally only started around the eve of 2000, I think. If i remember correctly the second gend imac had a drive that could read dvds and also burn cds. I might’ve had an external burner though. Can’t quite remember. Cd burning definitely wasn’t easy, especially on the mac. xD Well, putting files on the disc or making a music cd was ok but then though. Was also the time I got my first discman that had a cache of up to 10 min. that could read mp3 cds. Crazy times. xD
It's fun and interesting to hear these stories about the Sega Dreamcast and what was going on with Sega at the time. It makes me think what If Sega stayed in the gaming console industry. Cool video. ^_^
I was planning to get a Dreamcast, and this Zip drive was part of my plans. I was going to get the PC version, too. In college, I found one. I bought a "drive" media, whatever you call the thing to insert it into the actual drive. Either that or I found a offshoot of it.
I got a notion that after Sega realized the PS2 was going to have a DVD player built in (An incredible feat when dedicated DVD players were just barely making inroads). It basically deflated their sails, and they also knew magnetic storage was at the "end" of its lifetime. Now don't get me wrong, a Zip Drive was a cool gadget. I had two, and used them on my PC for storing games as they were 100mb a pop. And the fact a Dreamcast could support one, well that was forward thinking. But what Sega should have done was, using the same idea as the Zip Drive, they should have created a DVD mini drive, or even something like Sony's UMD mini drive for the PSP. Now that would have gone well!! Imagine a next generation "Tower of Power" like the Genesis/SegaCD/Master System Adapter/32X. But instead, a Dreamcast with Dreamcast/Zip Drive/DVD/Saturn Adapter all stacked one on top like the Genesis. Now THAT would have been cool!!
I still have my Sega Channel cartridge. My mom and I sort of had a funeral for it. They announced the date and time when it would stop working and we had the machine on awaiting the moment. The moment happened and a great sadness was felt in the room.
The local cable company had a free trial for the Sega Channel, so I borrowed a friend's Genesis and signed up for the free trial. I played a few of the games that were on rotation on the Sega Channel at the time. I remember Wacky Worlds best. Later, I also had a tour of the cable company's head end, where the Sega Channel feed hardware was mentioned and pointed out.
I wonder if you could have used it as a form of cache for the games to load into whilst playing a game? It obviously wouldn't be as fast as a hard drive; but would it help load games quicker when you were already playing a game?
The biggest problem I would have seen is less the fragile nature of ZIP diskettes but rather that it was an attachment consumers first had to purchase separately. As much as I love both SEGA and Nintendo for their crazy addons for earlier consoles, I too can see why things such as the 64DD and now here the Zip Drive failed.
64DD was for crap, gimped hardware with cartridge game capacities.... the Dreamcast could have actually done alot more with their Zip drive addon. It also runs Windows CE, so easier to develop for.
The downfall of the Dreamcast was due to Sega's stupid gimmicks of their add-ons. The lack if its medium not being a DVD-ROM drive. The lack of buttons on their controller could have been remedied by a revision release, but not having the DVD drive is was killed them.
As you can see top hat gaming man I really didn't like to Dreamcast more than Sega Saturn at all always thought the Dreamcast was too much like the PlayStation how do I have some fun with the Dreamcast but nothing can compare to the Saturn or game gear I think those are the best Sega the best of the best sorry 🥱🥱🥱😏😏😏😁😁✌️✌️🇯🇵🇯🇵👍👍🎮🥷by mega gamer
Learned something new from this video! It could have been interesting to see what they could have done for this add on and what game content they could've developed for it
Not gonna lie mate, as an American myself, my favourite console will always be Super Nintendo and PS2 but Sega mega drive and Dreamcast are up their and your Sega Saturn and Dreamcast videos really brought me back into liking my first console I owned which was the Dreamcast. Thank you for helping me appreciate Sega more Top Hat Gaming Man! 😀 Cheers!, Noah
This kinda feels like a 64DD situation, only where as that ended up being a commercial failure, this had no chance to even prove itself and sadly probably wouldn't have done all that well from the start. Now granted being able to store stuff like DLC content without taking up any space on the VMU is a great idea and probably would be VERY handy for those wanting to store a lot of things like custom ChuChu Rocket Levels for example. It probably could have introduced the ability to have game patches for stuff like PSO so people who had Ver.1 could download the needed files to essentially turn their copies into Ver.2, heck maybe it could have gotten content we'd later get in Ep 1&2 for the Gamecube/Xbox. But then you'd have to take into account that back then while games during that time were small, 100 MB still wasn't a whole lot. Plus you would have had one HELL of a phone bill downloading so much content in a single go. And even if they were going to introduce bigger DLC that the drive could use, they still would have had to introduce SOME WAY to add compatibility with the drive for games released prior to it, either by adding data to the VMU which would have been the very thing they were trying to avoid in the first place or release some sort of update disk for the system or the games, which at that point just release new versions of the game which again, would have been the very thing they were trying to avoid. Honestly, I don't see how this would have worked had it come to fruition. It more than likely would have been abandoned very quickly shortly after its release, especially since zipdrives around the time were having the infamous click of death which would have killed support INCREDIBLY fast.
That explains what that thing was in the pile of Iomega barf that turned up at the Deseret Industries thrift store in nearby Ogden, Utah, back in the 2000s. It was either 2003 or 2006. I forget. A bunch of Zip, Jaz, and Clik crap showed up. There were even a couple of very early Zip drives that looked strange inside with CNC machined parts with sharp edges and burrs like they were prototypes. I bought a big box of 100 and 250MB Zip disks for $10. Had I even cared about the Dreamcast, I would have bought that drive for sure since it was like $5. I don't think anyone bought it. It was there for almost a month. But so were the Clik drives. People actually bought those stupid things.
Sega of Japan was the biggest hinderance of Sega as a hardware company. So many bad ideas came from them. They even wanted to axe Sonic The Hedgehog, which now their biggest selling ip ever.
Considering Nintendo was also doing the same moves (floppy disk drive, failed cd addon, virtual boy), the only reason Nintendidn't die as well was most likely the success of the gameboy. Sega also tried the Gamegear that in some aspects beat the gameboy, but in others failed miserably, one of them not being able to sell enough to justify support and to keep the company afloat.
Really I am not surprised when I first got my Dreamcast there were some noticeable things on the console you can tell where they were can add additional things. We have also come a long way with storage. To think you have something like a micro card that is the size of your thumb that can store up to 1tb.
As I remember it the Dreamcast died due to its lack of any robust copy protections. I knew I guy that would sell you a copy of any game for $10 and they worked on a completely stock machine. The zip drive would have only made it worse. Still the best console ever released IMO
Had SEGA went ahead with the Dreamcast Zip Drive, just imagine DLC for games like Shenmue or even Phantasy Star Online. Guess it never came to fruition.
@@XVa-uj8m the first thing I'd do is figure out all the desired classics (Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Altered Beasts, Eternal Champions, Gun Star Heroes, Panzer Dragoon, etc. . .yes I like beat'em ups and fighting games) and do THE RIGHT THING. They wouldn't really have to poach Siny because many devs went there after Sega dropped the hardware division. There's WAY TOO MANY Sega exclusives that could bend the market on this generation of hardware. BTW. . . That avatar though 👍
If they did come out with it people would probably just bash them for releasing what they would call yet another piece of useless hardware, they would probably just say, "not another failure like the 32X". It would be cool to use it to at least be able copy game saves to it like how game saves can be copied to the hard rive in the original X-Box.
This had potential but I think it was a good choice for sega to avoid any more expensive add-ons. It could be argued all the add-ons for the genesis sealed segas fate in the console market. High priced, under supported extra hardware left a bad taste in consumers mouths.
If Sega wasn’t utterly wrong terrible at communication and alienating developers with an inflation of hardware (like the Genesis/Mega Drive add-ons) I feel like we could have seen Sega potentially dominate with the Dreamcast. Also if they had the foresight of DVD on a console lol
Great video, with interesting content and information, but why does the thumbnail for the video show something entirely different to what's actually featured in the video itself? The thumbnail photo looks as though there's a small controller that's connecting to the front/underneath of the console, and bears no resemblance to what this actually is, and is shown in the video. I clicked on the video, only because I thought there was some sort of controller that I had no idea existed for the Dreamcast. Lol.
You say "download instantly" a few times... I was alive for this age... I dont remember anything internet related being instant, well instant headache at the dial tone
Ppl making new games for all these old school consoles Id like to see ppl max out the capabilities of the "flawed" Sega CD.... It really did have a flawed run tho....
SEGA yet again being ahead of their time, not being recognized and failing. Only for the same ideas pioneered by SEGA to be reintroduced in the future.
SEGA Japan always had a way of shooting itself in the foot at every opportunity and SEGA of America always had to bit their tongue and do things they didn't want to be doing. SEGA was honestly right to stop making hardware when they did because with the high demand of gamers in the 21st century, there's no way the would've survived making hardware too. Would I LOVE for a new SEGA console to come out? Of course I would. But only one where SEGA Japan stops this mindset of unnecessary compromises and add ons no one needed. Just a great platform for great games. It shouldn't be so hard, but they always found a way to make it that way...
i think now as i thought then ... a waste of time not offering gamers much in reality . if theyd released a dvd drive with a usb port then THAT wouldve made a big difference in a number of ways
In wondering what happened with this hardware, i thought "I bet a disagreement between Sega Japan and Sega America killed this one too." and then that turned out to be the case. Imagine how different gaming history could've been if the two regional branches of Sega were in unison rather than at odds, as seemed tp be the case once the Genesis took off in the American markets.
Sega of America was the more pragmatic arm of Sega and insisted that Sega develop new hardware instead of add-ons when it came to the Genesis. What killed Sega's console market share was Sega CD and 32x instead of using all of that money to pump marketing and game development into the Sega Saturn. Remember that the target demographic for the Playstation (more adult games) was Sega's demographic with the Genesis. If Sega would have taken that money they spent developing the Sega CD and 32x add ons and channeled it into the Saturn we wouldn't be discussing the downfall of Sega as a console producer today. Sega of America was always pushing back against the idea of add-ons because they had a repeated history of failing and setting Sega back as a company.
I'm in the camp that thinks Sega should have stuck with Sega Cd and 32x. The Saturn was screwed the moment they went with dual cpus. That happened because Sega used their arcade tech for consels. It was great for Sega but bad for 3rd parties. The lack of good dev support killed it.
@caribeskinner6290 if the 32x and Sega cd aren't forced on the genesis the Saturn gets better hardware in general and may not have the dreaded dual cpu architecture
I was one of maybe 3 people who used a SCSI Zip drive as a bootable hard drive for my Amiga. Compared to a normal hard drive, it wasn't too much slower but it was a LOT quieter (especially since it would stop spinning when not in use). And if I ran out of space, I could just format another zip disk for a fresh bootable drive ... another 100 megs of space!
(Unlike most computer systems, the Amiga supported dynamic sized RAM drive, so it was possible to store the commonly used OS files on the RAM drive. This could easily eliminate or dramatically reduce the amount of disc swapping needed for basic OS tasks. The Amiga OS was perhaps the only fully multitasking OS that was truly usable on removable media.)
Another problem was that by the time of the Dreamcast, Zip drives were best known for the “click of death.” Not exactly what you want to think of when buying a storage device.
I recall the one 1gb Zips having that issue, but not 100meg models.
I'm quite surprised to see a USB port, because they are a lot more reliable than I think. This could be very useful in the long run.
@@caribeskinner6290 100mb models had the issue too. the zip drive was garbage and I'm pretty sure iomega knew it before they sold it.
I went through 2 drives back in the day on my LCIII, but there simply was no cheaper storage back then, this was the blue 100meg ones@@caribeskinner6290
I had both a Jazz drive and Zip drive in my computer back in the day and the Jazz drive died of the click of death.
As usual, Sega was its own worst enemy by its own subdivisions not communicating
Still have it?
Yup plus the civil war really ended everything
Such a great system. I had the mouse and keyboard. I used it to play a lot of quake 3 online.
There were a few games that could use the mouse and keyboard on the Dreamcast.
Imagine how much more life this would have given Zip drives when USB flash drives were coming.
CD Rs or RW was cheaper and haved alot more storage then zip drives and flash drives back then.
@@NextNate03a disk burner would have been a terrible idea, rewritables would have been the only solution but cdrws were unreliable and dvdrws hadn't been invented (or at least weren't widespread)in 99. Then you get into the stupidity of allowing written disks to execute Dreamcast code (which would be required for DLC to work), that's literally giving your customers a way to run backup games without the need for a boot cd.
USB sticks would have been a bad move too, they're unreliable, tiny (1 - 32mb) in 99 and they were prone to failure, that's why the more expensive battery backed up ram was used for memory cards and then switched out for hard drives once the Xbox launched.
Zip drives were chosen because they were smaller than a Dreamcast disk (so no risk of running disk backups), they were designed to be written constantly and were more robust than either USB or flash drives. You can't scratch a minidisk and can write to it thousands of times more than a flash drive.
@@NextNate03 You realize only the earlier models can run those CD's and the Dreamcast wasn't a CD burner as well. This answer is completely impractical.
@@joncarter3761 Sony controlled minidisk and would never have allowed Sega to use it for a Dreamcast add-on.
In the modern day, would you buy a PS Portal if it, without running games, had half a terabyte storage and could run those games on any PS5 without checking online for credentials? Just have them tied to that hardware storage physically.
I'm just wondering, because I expect a magical sweet spot where it's both "physical DRM" and "all-digital future" horror stories, and people would hate it.
The Dreamcast was the very 1st console that I had ever played online with my internet (with no additional fees believe it or not unlike the others who require you to pay to just use your already purchased internet service's. It was alot of fun and I remember hearing about this in the official DC magazine.
PlayStation 3 didn't require a paid PSN plan, either.
Sony Online gaming didn't require a purchase at all and PS+ which was implemented originally in 2006 was optional. Not until the PS4 was it mandatory @@TexasHollowEarth
First online game I ever played was Chu Chu rocket
If this happened, imagine if future Dreamcast games supported the ZIP drive add-on and include a "file operation" menu that allowed users to manage save data and DLC among the VMUs, ZIP drive and FAT32-formatted USB drives. That way, you can load and save game data from the ZIP or USB without needing a VMU. This would be perfect for Dreamcast arcade sticks and controller adapters without VMU slots.
Eventually the Xbox happened, and with a hard disk included in the system a Memory Unit is no longer required to load and save game progress.
Not only that, the DreamShell SD Card adapter also came out, but I wished Dreamcast games were hacked to include SD card saving. There are arcade sticks and controller adapters that don't have a VMU slot, and many Dreamcast games will only load and save from Socket A-1, which I think is ridiculous.
As I sit here in my living room looking at my Sega Dreamcast sitting next to the TV. Absolutely love the Dreamcast and it was absolutely mind-blowing for its time. The online aspect of the system was way ahead of its time and it's a shame it never really took off.
You too huh? 😅 Sega's last hurrah in the console wars...😢
I remember seeing this addon in magazines, and I used zip drives at college.
Nice one! This sounds like a Sega deja vu where the left hand doesn't talk to the right hand...
Man this device would have been so great. I would have bought it. It would have seen a lot of RPG's then made through "RPG Studio".
Released 9.9.99 (September 9th, 1999). Oh what a glorious Thursday that was! Fantastic video, as always.
Remember those iomega drives.
My mother had those for her work at home for storing webpages and similar stuff.
Crazy where we are today with 1tb micro sd cards the size of a fingernail.
I used them for college before CD burning was easy and convenient (back in the day, CD burning wasn’t as easy as it is today)
@@DukeNukem2020
Really? When was that?
My friends had a cd burner and were copying music and playstation cds in early 1999. Don’t know if that was the norm but I remember only a few people having one.
@@Lock2002ful I went in 2002 but experimented with cd burning since 1998. I just remember compatibly was an issue for me back then (I kept getting CD-Rs, without realizing I could only read from them once I burned and didn’t know I needed CD-RWs)
@@DukeNukem2020
Ahh, ok. Cool.
I personally only started around the eve of 2000, I think.
If i remember correctly the second gend imac had a drive that could read dvds and also burn cds. I might’ve had an external burner though. Can’t quite remember.
Cd burning definitely wasn’t easy, especially on the mac. xD
Well, putting files on the disc or making a music cd was ok but then though.
Was also the time I got my first discman that had a cache of up to 10 min. that could read mp3 cds.
Crazy times. xD
I really like your new videos about lost consoles and addons in last generations we didn't know
It's fun and interesting to hear these stories about the Sega Dreamcast and what was going on with Sega at the time. It makes me think what If Sega stayed in the gaming console industry. Cool video. ^_^
I was planning to get a Dreamcast, and this Zip drive was part of my plans. I was going to get the PC version, too. In college, I found one. I bought a "drive" media, whatever you call the thing to insert it into the actual drive. Either that or I found a offshoot of it.
The Dreamcast was so awesome they steal both my systems
Hope there still getting played.
Honestly, I can see people modding the "ZIP" out of games with this add-on. It's like an early concept of mods.
I got a notion that after Sega realized the PS2 was going to have a DVD player built in (An incredible feat when dedicated DVD players were just barely making inroads). It basically deflated their sails, and they also knew magnetic storage was at the "end" of its lifetime. Now don't get me wrong, a Zip Drive was a cool gadget. I had two, and used them on my PC for storing games as they were 100mb a pop. And the fact a Dreamcast could support one, well that was forward thinking. But what Sega should have done was, using the same idea as the Zip Drive, they should have created a DVD mini drive, or even something like Sony's UMD mini drive for the PSP. Now that would have gone well!!
Imagine a next generation "Tower of Power" like the Genesis/SegaCD/Master System Adapter/32X. But instead, a Dreamcast with Dreamcast/Zip Drive/DVD/Saturn Adapter all stacked one on top like the Genesis. Now THAT would have been cool!!
Does anyone remember Sega Channel? Where you could play all kinds of sega games through a cartridge that had a coax connection around 1995?
I still have my Sega Channel cartridge. My mom and I sort of had a funeral for it. They announced the date and time when it would stop working and we had the machine on awaiting the moment. The moment happened and a great sadness was felt in the room.
The local cable company had a free trial for the Sega Channel, so I borrowed a friend's Genesis and signed up for the free trial. I played a few of the games that were on rotation on the Sega Channel at the time. I remember Wacky Worlds best. Later, I also had a tour of the cable company's head end, where the Sega Channel feed hardware was mentioned and pointed out.
I wonder if you could have used it as a form of cache for the games to load into whilst playing a game? It obviously wouldn't be as fast as a hard drive; but would it help load games quicker when you were already playing a game?
The biggest problem I would have seen is less the fragile nature of ZIP diskettes but rather that it was an attachment consumers first had to purchase separately.
As much as I love both SEGA and Nintendo for their crazy addons for earlier consoles, I too can see why things such as the 64DD and now here the Zip Drive failed.
64DD was for crap, gimped hardware with cartridge game capacities.... the Dreamcast could have actually done alot more with their Zip drive addon. It also runs Windows CE, so easier to develop for.
I'm sure Sega swirl type games could have easily run off of a zip drive. Ikagura was 24mb and zip disks were 100-150mb
The downfall of the Dreamcast was due to Sega's stupid gimmicks of their add-ons. The lack if its medium not being a DVD-ROM drive. The lack of buttons on their controller could have been remedied by a revision release, but not having the DVD drive is was killed them.
Dreamcast came out in 98... well before DVD was a home staple for media consumption
Dreamcast only came out a year before the ps2 witch had a dvd player. Dvd players went on sale in 1997. They missed the boat.😂
Never heard of this - thanks for showing it to us all! $10k seems like a bargain nowadays for such a one off collecters item.
As you can see top hat gaming man I really didn't like to Dreamcast more than Sega Saturn at all always thought the Dreamcast was too much like the PlayStation how do I have some fun with the Dreamcast but nothing can compare to the Saturn or game gear I think those are the best Sega the best of the best sorry 🥱🥱🥱😏😏😏😁😁✌️✌️🇯🇵🇯🇵👍👍🎮🥷by mega gamer
Where is the thumbnail artwork of chun li from? I've never seen it before.
I like that, Power Stone was on loop, during the beginning of the video, and I thank you.
The Dreamcast is underrated, I remember getting that as a high school graduation gift back in 2000. I thoroughly enjoyed it
I got the Dreamcast on day 1. I loved the Dreamcast & the controller is still my favorite till this day. Even loved the VMU.
Learned something new from this video! It could have been interesting to see what they could have done for this add on and what game content they could've developed for it
Not gonna lie mate, as an American myself, my favourite console will always be Super Nintendo and PS2 but Sega mega drive and Dreamcast are up their and your Sega Saturn and Dreamcast videos really brought me back into liking my first console I owned which was the Dreamcast. Thank you for helping me appreciate Sega more Top Hat Gaming Man! 😀
Cheers!,
Noah
This kinda feels like a 64DD situation, only where as that ended up being a commercial failure, this had no chance to even prove itself and sadly probably wouldn't have done all that well from the start.
Now granted being able to store stuff like DLC content without taking up any space on the VMU is a great idea and probably would be VERY handy for those wanting to store a lot of things like custom ChuChu Rocket Levels for example. It probably could have introduced the ability to have game patches for stuff like PSO so people who had Ver.1 could download the needed files to essentially turn their copies into Ver.2, heck maybe it could have gotten content we'd later get in Ep 1&2 for the Gamecube/Xbox.
But then you'd have to take into account that back then while games during that time were small, 100 MB still wasn't a whole lot. Plus you would have had one HELL of a phone bill downloading so much content in a single go. And even if they were going to introduce bigger DLC that the drive could use, they still would have had to introduce SOME WAY to add compatibility with the drive for games released prior to it, either by adding data to the VMU which would have been the very thing they were trying to avoid in the first place or release some sort of update disk for the system or the games, which at that point just release new versions of the game which again, would have been the very thing they were trying to avoid.
Honestly, I don't see how this would have worked had it come to fruition. It more than likely would have been abandoned very quickly shortly after its release, especially since zipdrives around the time were having the infamous click of death which would have killed support INCREDIBLY fast.
I have said it before, and I'll keep saying it until the day I die, "GOD DAMN YOU, SEGA OF JAPAN!!"
Well... ya got me here, friend-o... not only have I never seen this thing... I have never even heard of it AT ALL. Thanks for teaching me something!
That explains what that thing was in the pile of Iomega barf that turned up at the Deseret Industries thrift store in nearby Ogden, Utah, back in the 2000s. It was either 2003 or 2006. I forget. A bunch of Zip, Jaz, and Clik crap showed up. There were even a couple of very early Zip drives that looked strange inside with CNC machined parts with sharp edges and burrs like they were prototypes. I bought a big box of 100 and 250MB Zip disks for $10. Had I even cared about the Dreamcast, I would have bought that drive for sure since it was like $5. I don't think anyone bought it. It was there for almost a month. But so were the Clik drives. People actually bought those stupid things.
Sega of Japan was the biggest hinderance of Sega as a hardware company. So many bad ideas came from them. They even wanted to axe Sonic The Hedgehog, which now their biggest selling ip ever.
the dreamcast gave me besides the psone even with his short lifespan, the best gaming memories.
Love the use of Vampire (Darkstalkers) music.
I really like your videos. Please keep making them.
Funny, I remember thinking "Why not just use zip disks" while watching one of the many 64DD videos out there
10:28 - is that a remarkable coincidence that Matthew Perry appears in a clip about death?
Considering Nintendo was also doing the same moves (floppy disk drive, failed cd addon, virtual boy), the only reason Nintendidn't die as well was most likely the success of the gameboy. Sega also tried the Gamegear that in some aspects beat the gameboy, but in others failed miserably, one of them not being able to sell enough to justify support and to keep the company afloat.
dreamcast actually had dlc and updates for games like Sonic Adventure, they didnt save to a zip drive though, they saved to the vmu
What game is shown at 0:07?
I installed a Zip drive in my first computer in anticipation of this being released, and then it never came out.
I want to live in a multiverse where Dreamcast survived to be another dominant power to PS2. :(
Really I am not surprised when I first got my Dreamcast there were some noticeable things on the console you can tell where they were can add additional things. We have also come a long way with storage. To think you have something like a micro card that is the size of your thumb that can store up to 1tb.
As I remember it the Dreamcast died due to its lack of any robust copy protections. I knew I guy that would sell you a copy of any game for $10 and they worked on a completely stock machine. The zip drive would have only made it worse. Still the best console ever released IMO
Classic story of Sega’s management and HQ in Japan. Sadly, it’s not too different even now.
I vaguely remember hearing about this back in the day.
Had SEGA went ahead with the Dreamcast Zip Drive, just imagine DLC for games like Shenmue or even Phantasy Star Online.
Guess it never came to fruition.
Cool, I have 5 Dreamcast and they all need to be revived.
God bless.
It's wild how much top hat rubbing the Dreamcast b roll is on this video lol
It's amazing to see how much the Dreamcast influenced the Xbox and how Xbox in turn pushed Sony to innovate in order to compete with the Xbox.
I am never selling my DC... the last Sega console ever. I wish I never lost my Sega CDX either. Another super unique Sega console.
Click...Click...Click...
That would've been really maddening to lose access to your files once the drive developed the click of death.
2:19 vintage grime FTW... 🤣
Great review, Big daddy Top Hat!
I've still got loads of zip discs "!!!!!! LOL
I'm always impressed with anyone that still has a Dreamcast that's stayed so white! Mine is a murky shade of yellow these days 🤮
Hey - thanks for another dreamcast video 📹 😀
I've been watching you for years. Idk why i was not subscribed yet. My bad bro lol
Thanks for the years of views!
So the sega genesis had access to online games via sega channel. Maybe they should have saved that for a dreamcast exclusive.
What is the difference between the orange and blue swirl logo? NTSC/PAL?
Correct, NTSC Japanese logo was red-ish.
So this was basically Dreamcast's version of the 64DD
Sega should make a portable comeback.
But Sega is Coming back and soon the console called The Spartan! In 2024-25 is going to be the year of the return of SEGA!!
If that happens, Sony will lose a large majority of market share.
@@damedan9389 Especially if they bring the old ones that use to work there back. Also poaching Sony's Japanese games division would be smart too.
@@XVa-uj8m the first thing I'd do is figure out all the desired classics (Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Altered Beasts, Eternal Champions, Gun Star Heroes, Panzer Dragoon, etc. . .yes I like beat'em ups and fighting games) and do THE RIGHT THING. They wouldn't really have to poach Siny because many devs went there after Sega dropped the hardware division. There's WAY TOO MANY Sega exclusives that could bend the market on this generation of hardware.
BTW. . . That avatar though 👍
@@damedan9389 I just want the people who did "Gravity Rush" and "Folklore" over at Sega. I also want Yu Suzuki back making a new Virtua Fighter.
@@XVa-uj8m so you get it 💪😅😅
If they did come out with it people would probably just bash them for releasing what they would call yet another piece of useless hardware, they would probably just say, "not another failure like the 32X".
It would be cool to use it to at least be able copy game saves to it like how game saves can be copied to the hard rive in the original X-Box.
This had potential but I think it was a good choice for sega to avoid any more expensive add-ons. It could be argued all the add-ons for the genesis sealed segas fate in the console market. High priced, under supported extra hardware left a bad taste in consumers mouths.
I've been avoiding your channel Big Daddy Top hat. :| Because once i watch ONE of your videos i have to watch all the ones i've missed. :p
If Sega wasn’t utterly wrong terrible at communication and alienating developers with an inflation of hardware (like the Genesis/Mega Drive add-ons) I feel like we could have seen Sega potentially dominate with the Dreamcast. Also if they had the foresight of DVD on a console lol
Great video, with interesting content and information, but why does the thumbnail for the video show something entirely different to what's actually featured in the video itself? The thumbnail photo looks as though there's a small controller that's connecting to the front/underneath of the console, and bears no resemblance to what this actually is, and is shown in the video. I clicked on the video, only because I thought there was some sort of controller that I had no idea existed for the Dreamcast. Lol.
Paradim shift? If you don't write your own script don't be afraid to ask someone how to pronounce a new word or phrase.
Pretty sure Halflife load times would still suck even if they were loading from a Zip drive...
Age old story, at least when it comes to the end of SEGA. SOJ gets mad at SOA for something and cuts off their nose to spite their face
Didn't know the Dreamcast had time to change 😂
While I think zip drives were a joke I like to think this could have helped the dreamcast to pioneer more new areas. Instead it needed an hdd.
The Zip drive was for sell and I was trying to get it but my credit card limit was 3500€ so I couldn’t compete with the final price 😢
You say "download instantly" a few times... I was alive for this age... I dont remember anything internet related being instant, well instant headache at the dial tone
Yes I have the disk drive I so love it so much.
Sad that sega of America and sega of Japan could rarely see eye to eye….
Oh my God, to their dying breath they were coming up with stupid add ons that would never sell.
Ppl making new games for all these old school consoles Id like to see ppl max out the capabilities of the "flawed" Sega CD.... It really did have a flawed run tho....
You have the best stories
I miss when sega made consiles 😢
Another case of brilliant ideas not syncing up.
SEGA yet again being ahead of their time, not being recognized and failing. Only for the same ideas pioneered by SEGA to be reintroduced in the future.
Most likely Sega of Japan worried about the drive being used to pirate games.
what is the game at 11:17 ?
Hey top hat,what about the original Xbox being able to play Mugen and mod on its initial release,just thought it be something to bring up later man.
SEGA Japan always had a way of shooting itself in the foot at every opportunity and SEGA of America always had to bit their tongue and do things they didn't want to be doing. SEGA was honestly right to stop making hardware when they did because with the high demand of gamers in the 21st century, there's no way the would've survived making hardware too. Would I LOVE for a new SEGA console to come out? Of course I would. But only one where SEGA Japan stops this mindset of unnecessary compromises and add ons no one needed. Just a great platform for great games. It shouldn't be so hard, but they always found a way to make it that way...
Who drew the chun li its fantastic?
AI lol
i think now as i thought then ... a waste of time not offering gamers much in reality . if theyd released a dvd drive with a usb port then THAT wouldve made a big difference in a number of ways
Wait wait wait a minute. I loved my Sega Saturn and playing Daytona USA and Guardian heroes and Shining Force.... Okay sorry. Back to the video 1:06
I understand the need for storage space, but a zip disk?, really?, in a machine that works natively with dvds like?
It's so sad Sega quitted console race. I'm sure they could be opponent to Nintendo
everyone remembers iomega zip but what about iomega jaz
thumbnail?
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thumbnail artist?