Proof that Mahjong is a VERY EASY GAME
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Mahjong Soul is so easy, watch me destroy this game to bits (absolutely not foreshadowing).
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I don't unterstand what going on but seeing Joey getting destroyed never gets old
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Bro?
if you don't understand anything, just know he got cucked several times when he was waiting for his winning tile
@@AxxLAfriku dude, you sound like the "Three Weed Smoking Girlfriends" post guy
this is sort of those games you learn by losing a lot. LOL.
Mudan’s editing for this was ON POINT. Both trying to elaborate Joey’s explanations and also meming the absolute confusion of the Japanese ruleset
I recognized the editing immediately as his from having seen so many of Connor's videos. Checked the description just to make sure and had to smile when I was right. The man has a noticeable style that is serious perfection :)
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley how many channels does this man edit for
@@fernando4959 yes
@Nadea You missed akidearest channel.
holy shit he actually ended up editing for this channel anyway
open hand = hand with any revealed tiles
closed hand = hand with no revealed tiles
Yaku = Win Conditions
Pon = Grabbing any tile to make a triplet, resets the turn cycle to you
Chi = grabbing the previous players tile to make a consecutive trio
Kan = 4 of a kind, draws an extra tile
Richi = Claming you are 1 tile away from winning, can only be called with a closed hand ( fun fact if 4 people richi, the round is a draw)
Ron = Grabbing the winning tile from another player
Tsumo = Drawing the winning tile
Scoring System = Asian Maths ????
im able to understand how much han im getting in each hand, but i dont understand the point value. like 1 han can be either 500 800 or 1k, 2 han can be 2k or 3.9k etc.
i think that its based off of how good your wait is but i dont have anything to back it up
@@kyudokaarchery6687 The other thing that determines the value of your hand is called Fu. It is primarily based on the triples you have in your hand and if your hand was opened or closed. Once you get to 5 Han (Mangan), Fu doesn't matter any more and the hand is scored using only your Han.
To calculate your Fu, you always start with 20 Fu. you get 10 Fu for a closed Ron, or 2 Fu for a Tsumo. You get 2 Fu per triplet in your hand, this is doubled if it is closed or a terminal of honor, and quadrupled if it is a Kan. So a closed Kan of white dragon would be worth 32 Fu. You also get 2 fu if you were waiting on 1 tile to win. For example you had a 1 and 3 waiting on a 2. Now you take the Fu and round up to the nearest 10.
There are a few exceptions with Fu. Seven pairs is always scored as 25 Fu. If you have Pinfu, then Tsumo is worth 0 Fu, but a Ron is still worth 10 Fu. If you don't have Pinfu the minimum Fu you can get is 30, so if you would have 20 Fu, it is upgraded to 30 Fu.
Your final score is your Fu times 2^(Han + 2), per person. This is doubled again if the dealer was involved. If the score is over 2000, then it is a Mangan. The score is rounded up to the nearest 100.
@@cilet99 in short im glad the computer calculates the score for us. it would take a while to get used to consistently calculate all that every round
@@kyudokaarchery6687 there’s a table that tells you how many points you get, given you know the fu and han. But you need to know how many han and fu you have in the first place. I myself am still not used to counting fu
@@nanopopquiz7460 same here i can count han just fine, although there is the occasional 1 or 2 han of some yaku i didn't know about. as for fu, i may try counting it when i have the time
A few tips:
1. Been noticing most of your losses early on were because you discarded a non-terminal (terminal = 1s and 9s) suji tile. Those are usually the most unsafe tiles to discard since a lot of waits accept those tiles. Granted it might be worth the risk if you're tenpai with at least 4/5 han, but definitely tilting when you take the risk and get mangan'd or above.
2. Generally you'd want to keep your hand closed to have the option to riichi an otherwise yakuless hand. Though in Bronze east room its a whole 'nother ball game with everyone and their mothers calling like they got unlimited calling.
3. When someone riichi's, usually best to just fold your hand if you're too far away (3 or more from tenpai) from winning. Check discards, everything they discarded is safe, everything everyone else discards afterwards is safe.
Hopefully these help. There's also 5-block theory and tile efficiency, but I am not sure if you want to dive into that yet. Would definitely like to see mahjong game with the bois with maybe some gimmicks (e.g. naki mahjong where if you can call you have to make the call), or some viewer games. Also, sort of felt disappointed when the thumbnail had nine gates but no one got it :(.
Edit: Thanks to Szelto for correcting me on the suji defense.
We got Akagi himself giving tips to Joey here.
that's a really good analysis and the icing on the cake is the fact that you are called 10-psi, nice pun
edit: missing word
yep the most common combinations are 1-4-7, 2-5-8, and 3-6-9. usually you can test the waters by throwing out one and if its not their card you are more likely to be safe by throwing others in the group
I like your funny words magic man
Also I think toitoi is actually a yaku that most new players love but too dangerous to go for, keeping a closed hand is important ;)
Joey's observed mahjong sins:
- discarding dora
- toitoi for worse tile efficiency when you have a near pinfu hand
- tanyao single tile wait
Also making a kan that opens his hand too early and helping others with two more dora (a regular one and one ura dora) and ura dora doesn’t even count to him. That was the worst mistake from where I see. It’s not that hard the he hits someone’s triplets with those dora and a winning hand that was supposed to be something like 2000~4000, turns into 12000 that easy.
Mudan is an actual monster with these edits, I can’t believe he can make this so fast😭
Anyone can make something fast if you don't care of the quality of the final product, which shows here
@@angelo423 Ratioed
Joey: I'm good at this game.
also Joey: *immediately gets destroyed by bronze room cats*
Granted, mahjong does have a lot more rules baggage that a beginner has to remember than most other games, so "I know the rules = I am good at this game" is not that unreasonable an assumption to make... if you don't know how to play mahjong.
to everyone who dont understand.
its like he's winning ALMOST.
and the tile he puts down are just the shit they need to win.
This video deadass got me back into Mahjong after attempting to learn it in Yakuza a while back. I downloaded Mahjong Soul and I got kind of addicted to it but DAMN you gotta endure getting rolled by the same catgirl over and over until you get better.
So, uhh. I guess I'm in the video. Not doing well, but that's weird.
Joey: "I'm not getting fucked in the ass unless it's monetized"
Aki: So you're saying there's a way...
It was many years ago, I think I was 23-24 years old, I dropped out of the Korean Language and Literature and switched to Japanese. In the third month of prep class/school, I went to the university's mahjong club. Club members tried to explain the basics of mahjong to me for 6 hours. I didn't understand the basics of mahjong, but I understood one thing. I wasn't as smart as I thought. Next day I packed my things and went back to my hometown.
One time as a teenager I was on a holiday across country with some friends. We got drunk, because, well we were teenagers alone on holiday and decided to try some light hearted gambling, playing poker. I didn't really understand the rules, keeping track of the combinations other than pairs and so on but I won because little did they know, I was playing black jack with myself.
Moral of the story, if you don't know how to do something, get drunk and it will either work itself out or you won't care.
This reminds me of time I tried to teach myself Japanese Mahjong for four hours one night to get a Yakuza substory done and I've never failed harder in a video game. That substory never got done.
6:50 I love how the tokyo drift music is so iconic you can recognize it with literally two notes
Ok, it makes me feel at least a little better that Im not the only one that gets fucking bodied in Mahjsoul
just avoid getting last place. you can get to expert by just playing recklessly but you would have to get quite lucky in order to do so. most people dont climb the ranks b/c they are unable to know when another person is at tenpai, determine whether the hand(haipai) is worth winning or not, or when to properly give up on the round
Your not alone bro.. your not.. i got fucked so hard i got 31% in 4th with -4.8% winrate.
i've tried playing mahjong in every one of the Yakuza opuses, and never won
*Me, who has played Mahjong semi-competitively*: Uhm... at least you're trying your best, Joey
Me who has taught the game to several groups of complete beginners and has several slide presentations ready for an optimal pedagogical experience: Yes, uh, he's trying very hard ^^' But I'm excited whenever the game gets more attention :D
can relate, seeing him go balls deep for toitoi all the time really shows that bronze room skillevel :D
@ hey man, i know your comment is really old, but would you mind sharing those slide presentations with me? it would be really neat to use to teach my friends and maybe learn something myself
@@JojoFPS : You can try using this video. It teaches the bare minimum needed to get started.
Short and not overwhelming
ruclips.net/video/PpgcQ3A3PVE/видео.html
@ you are all turbo autists
truly the definitive mahjong experience, every time you're in riichi there will always be somebody to absolutely shut you down
as a yakuza fan it's nice to see someone understand mahjong because it confuses me every single time i try to play it
It took me like 24 hours of play before I really got the hang of it
Hi Joey,
I like playing Mahjong and where I'm from, there's a traditional variation of this game in a different name.
From the way you played, it might be a good thing NOT to do pon or pung (3) or kong (4), because your opponent can read the remaining tiles as it's open up to anyone. So the less you show your tiles, the better it is (I think you get additional points for concealed tiles as well). A good strategy is to wait for the 4th tiles to drop on your turn unless you absolutely need the tile to richi or just one more before tsumo, then it might be worth it.
You absolutely don't want to steal too just for a chow unless your strategy just to confuse your opponent from the beginning - if you get a hunch he/she has a good hand
you do generally get a higher score by concealing your hand but its not a bad strat to call tiles as long as you have a yaku. especially if you have 1 or 2+ more doras. also its not that good of an idea to wait till the 4th tile b/c that tile may never even come out for the rest of the round. ofc there are exceptions like if its a wind/dragon tile then its fine to wait for the 4th tile
I didnt even watch the vid but i just know that majong is clearly NOT a easy game
It's very, very easy to pick up, but very difficult to master.
@@azorailke6057 thats a lie
fundamentally it's pretty simple, but there's a lot that goes into mastering it. Rules explanations will always be confusing, the best way to pick it up is just by playing. Give yourself 4-5 games and you'll get the basics.
@@interstellar_hamster6250 it's true man. when you first start you will focus on assembling your own set. that's the easy part. the hard part is knowing what cards are more optimal to wait for and what cards are risky to throw, as well as how to play defensively when the opponent is going to game
The hardest part is actually counting points. But yeah, it's easy to pick up, and over time you get the feeling for, nut once you stumble upon some lucky bastard mahjongsoul turns into mahjongsalt.
As someone who has countless hours of Mahjong, this is pain, but the edit makes it absolutely hilarious 😂
agreed
Ive tried to understand this game multiple times and still don't really know. But I'm surprised how much fun I had watching it tho. These edits are absolutely top tier.
I genuinely hope there's more Majony content
The subject of my BA thesis was actually implementing an AI that would help you discard a tile in Mahjong Riichi. Suffice to say that
a) That's incredibly difficult
b) Mahjong is complicated :D Though, classical Chinese version is simpler, IMO. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any reliable data sources
What made you choose mahjong? It's just such an unknown game (unless you come from an Asian family), plus it's literally impossible to understand 😅
@@gaemer3967 As far as I know, I have no Asian blood (welp, maybe some Mongolian blood because one side my family comes from a region that was attacked by them multiple times 😅). My mom got me beautiful a Mahjong set from her trip to Hong Kong, so I kinda felt obligated to learn it. For my Bachelors I wanted an original and fun subject that would allow me to use AI. This is when the idea of adding mahjong to the equation appeared :D Funnily enough, a couple of months after I came up with my topic, Microsoft revealed its incredible Mahjong AI
@@anitatereszczuk3967 Yo, same here, I also wrote my thesis about tile discarding in Mahjong Riichi using AI :O
@@trongductruong5051 Nice! Which language did you use and why was it Python? :D
@@anitatereszczuk3967 Python baby 😎
Yup. This is basically what's going on whenever I play mahjong. "Oh, this is actually a good hand, I can go for..." and then someone else wins with a mangan against someone else. I mean, sure, at least I'm not the one getting destroyed, but bye-bye hand.
1:00 seeing a 789p set then 1:15 I saw his first discard to be 9p. Yeah this is gonna be a fun video to watch.
So this is pretty much Joey's 13 minute "Mega Mahjong Meme Mashup". Sounds good.
4:15 bruh that almost got me for a sec there 😂
It’s essentially gin rummy, but with 3 standard suits and a 2 specialty suits. Where only certain combinations are legal to win on.
MahSoul kinda sucks though cuz it uses a re randomized deck every draw which is not as good as playing a dealt randomized deck
i don't see a difference between randomizing every draw and not doing so, is there one?
@@eduardoxenofonte4004 it changes the probabilities in the game. It makes it more likely to get the tiles you want.
This scene in 21 explains it well
ruclips.net/video/iBdjqtR2iK4/видео.html
Cmon. More Mahjong, can't understand but love to see Joe
I've tried getting into Mahjong for a while now, but it's pretty difficult to get the hang of, mainly because the scoring system makes no goddamn sense to me. I was told several times to just get Mahjong Soul, but I don't trust gachas. So, this video gave me a much better understanding of what to go for... in theory. The only Mahjong game I have on hand is... cultured, though.
Man, just get Mahjong Soul, just think It is like League of Legends where all people can play as much as they want and even being top 1 without pay, but some people choice to buy Skin, It is almost like the same thing here, scoring system is almost all about play the Game and learn it with time, and It become really easy playing Mahjong Soul
It’s not that hard I just started mahjong soul and I think I got understood it pretty well now for my hand at least I haven’t developed knowledge of knowing others but by my 4th game I understood win conditions
i used to have mahjong on my pc but it was more like a big stack in the middle and you had to clear the entire thing by matching doubles of the same tile.
That is mahjong solitaire...
Please don't...
Lol same my entire family addicted to that. Except my dad
Connor's addicted to Apex.
Joey's addicted to Mahjong.
And Garnt's addicted to...
Anime girls Gacha games
Tales of Arises
FGO
I've read some mahjong manga recently and I am surprised that Joey losing a match did not send him to the 7th ring of hell
I love how Joey just starts speaking Japanese when he's tense/stressed XD
After i play this game myself this video is Hilarious as heck 😂
Poor Joey got RONNED all the time
What's the name of it. The game
The editing is on point 🤣🤣🤣
After watching Saki, I'm proud to say I actually understood everything that happened.
*KAN*
Me: "Let's gooooo!"
LET'S GO RINSHAN KAIHOU!
RINSHAN GANG
I read like 200 chapters of Saki and learned absolutely nothing. I did start to feel overdressed though.
seeing my relatives uncle aunty play this is fking mind boogling, they only see the tile once and can play through the entire game with the tiles faced down not looking at them anymore and remember each one of them..fking hell, who says old people memory is bad, not applicable to old asian ppl i guess
thats pretty amazing, there was actually a game played by professionals a while back where everyone was blindfolded, they could only figure out the hand they had through the shape of the images and when their opponents voiced out what tile they discarded.
recently there was an akagi collab where you could make a tile you discarded dark(for a price) so that other players couldnt see, or another kind of game where your hand would be visible to opponents w/ certain tiles dark. was a fun collab
4:15, Mudan don't scare me like that!
Don't forget that Richi Mahjong (aka Japanese Mahjong) is about "not losing", rather than winning.
If you play close attention to your opponents you know which tiles are safe and which aren't, and only ttry to be bold and finish if you have a big hand or can get a very fast win.
Remember. You have to die to survive.
joey: starts with one of each dragon and a pair of hakus
joey: HMMMMMM DAISANGEN TIME
Mahjong in one sentence: Play perfectly, still come in last.
Please post more of these I’ve been thinking of learning it and this is great help!!
there are so many different types of mahjong (i personally play using hong kong rules) but yooooo it's so weird hearing it being played an another language
At 4:15 I legitimately thought those were my end video recommendations!
4:14 Damn that got me good; I was so confused.
4:16 I actually thought the video ended because I always see those EXACT SAME videos recommended to me LMAOOO
Mahjong is rummy. You make runs and sets with 3 suits and honor tiles, the dragons and winds. Don't worry about yakus and scoring until you master the tiles and their construction.
Yakus are combos of sets and runs that count as "winning" hands. Those you just memorize, as far as I can tell. There's lists online.
I've only been playing a few weeks but learning wasn't that hard if you start simple.
haha i love Mahjong Soul, but it can be so savage. Fun video at your expense, and yes great editing
Loved seeing this, definitely would like to see this again. Live or on YT, I’ll be there!
4:16 fuck man, that "end card" was way too good. Guess we all get very similar algorithm pushes.
6:12
Yoshi without the i
What's funny is that Joey's actually really good at Mahjong, it's just that he ran into some *really* good players.
Was there a stream I missed? This is the first time ever I’ve seen him play, and he doesn’t really seem that great. He certaintly understands the game better than most westerners (comes with the half-japanese I guess,) but I just can’t feel the skill in this video. I feel like the cuts in the edit don’t help, I didn’t get to hear a lot of his thought process.
He’s also not considering his discards and his opponents discards. he wouldn’t give so many rons up if he took more care in choosing what he was giving up.
that's some A grade copium right there
@@Pimpgamer101 mind you he's also talking to chat while he's playing so that's going to distract him. He's played before and won pretty often
he play rank and he rusty lol
i've been missing the streams so thank god you are uploading them here
i see mudan is running overtime. can't wait for gigguks video
Reminds me that I'm gonna have to watch March Comes like a Lion again and the recnet one, about a girls Mahjong club, that I can't quite remember the name of.
Emoting before a win and running the timer down to 0 increases your flow
Man, even though you got destroyed that was a ton of fun to watch! I hope we can see more mahjong from you at some point.
Nice video, does this game also have a practise/robot mode to learn the game?
And looks like you faced quite though opponents!
The tutorial is very easy
You can play vs AI in custom games, no real practice mode but the tutorial is p good
My brain automatically goes: "that's type 1 clickbait"
This is the first time the suddenly ending video joke got me, because that were literally my recommended videos.
I love playing mahjong, the Filipino version is by far the most easiest (wind and dragon tiles are discarded and not used for hands). I play with my fam whenever the chance comes up.
I genuinely want more. I also wanna learn Mahjong but I don't have a pc ;-;
It's on mobile too
well for anyone who doesn't know yet, you see that A R C D on the most left side of screen? if u press C you can deny every chi/pon/kan automatically - you don't have to press skip button. While R button makes you automatically call the winning tile (if u one tile away from winning, in most case after calling riichi).
And personally, I don't recommend anyone to play Mahjong Soul on asia night time because many chinese player a.k.a beast wake up during that time and will slaughter your points to minus and beyond.
This is my life as an Aussie mahjong soul player. Also, apparently I was in the first game.
tbh, I didn't understand anything but I still stayed for the edits
Tip: by seeing what family of pieces opponents send out, you can see which family they prefer, and which other pieces they might be holding onto. Then, avoid sending out risky pieces till the last moment
I am so glad I am not the only one trying to go for Toi Toi, try to hype up getting Toi Toi, and 100% of the time get that Toi Toi stolen
Top notch editing , Mudan really nailed it.😂😂
one of my favorite joey second channel videos
Yo, this was mad entertaining. Plus, the editing was on point
As that one yakuza meme said, "You've been sentenced to 10 hours of mahjong."
I put off the Mahjong mission in Kiwami 2 because I just couldnt understand the game. Thank god for the tile
Thnx for the anime’s where I can learn how to play mahjong
I literally learned how to play mahjong just to understand this video, and after 2 months now I know that Joey's really getting destroyed in this video.
Tbh i would love to see more mahjong vids from you
absolutely love it
Reinstalled the game after a year because of the vid and got a double yakuman on my second ranked game lmao. Had a special cutsceanes and everything. Made me feel like i was in Saki. More mahjong soul please this was quality content.
Thanks for introducing me to the anime Saki, now I know how to achieve Richi.
I'd love to see more mahjong vids
I really wanna understand Majong in order to watch Akagi and read it
Nah whatever ive been trying for an hour and i give up already
Bruh this editing is fucking funny 10/10 editing my man
I'm invested in the lore of the cat girl right now
Nine gates for thumbnail, what a nice yakuman to see.
People with average luck can only wish for one.
I can feel your pain. Someone destory my green forest and BigThreeDragons today
I got addicted to mahjong in yakuza. More videos pls.
The way he described it seems closer to Gin/Rummy than Poker.
I have a beautiful set my grandfather made in a square wooden box that he also made. This is the first time I’ve even remotely understood how to play it
I have no idea what kind of gameplay was this but it was still very entertaining
Only two years late to this video but I respect the high point grind, unfortunately the meta online is to just rush cheap hands out the gate calling when you can to get yourself ahead quick
I know nothing about mahjong but OHHH BOY was this entertaining lmaooooo
I play both Chinese Mahjong and Japanese Mahjong. I personally prefer the Japanese version. 😂Maybe we will meet one day in the game, haha.
Anyone who is interested in the game, I recommend you to watch the anime Akagi or Saki, to learn some basic rules.
In tournament play, you can get negative points because you can’t lose unless someone makes minimum points
make more of gameplay clip joey, we love it~
Oh yes, the mahjong experience. That feeling of sitting on a great hand only to watch it get flushed down by a cheap 平和 from your 下家. Great game.
(Seriously though, it's an excellent game. Would play much more often it it was just a little easier to teach...)
5:36
Save those for ConnorDawg Mudan.😂
God I say that yellow thumbnail 4:15 and got whiplash
Its cool to see Riichi Mahjong played for a bit :) . Back in the day when Saki aired there was a lot more interest around it in the anime fandom. I'm pretty trash in the game but as just a good rule of thumb you can always just betaori when sh*t hits the fan as winning 1-2000 points is just not worth it in comparsion to the chance of loosing at least 8-12000 pts (because let's be honest most ppl aim at least for a mangan). Good luck with the flow next time dood.
How did I know Mudan edited this? Beautiful edit
The editing boi it's so funny I'm really into it gotta say
I LOVE the Hong Kong version! All the others I am just confused lol
When the video "ended" at 4:16 I thought I accidentally skipped the hole video because those recommended videos are the type of videos I would get recommended
To be honest, you got me there 4:15
the edditing on this Video was a 10/10