Ordered the LAB DF3 last week. Swinging that putter was eye opening! Look of the DF3 was actually part of what attracted me to it. Can't wait to get it out on the course!
It's just marketing, this zero torque thing. I THOUGHT. My mate bought a L.A.B DF3 and said try it. After around a dozen strokes (they are different from conventual putters) putts were rolling so much better and going in or near. I went to Belton Park Golf Club and tried them again, the results were unbelievable. It's not a gimmick it works, if you have the opportunity please just try one. Remember Christmas will soon be here 😊.
I had a LAB Mezz putter but struggled with distance control and ended up selling it on. I have bought the Allan 3 weeks ago and found distance control excellent and you can feel it wanting to stay square to your stroke, i personally have found it better than the LAB and looks more like a conventional putter.
@@JackTheAverage Its the most used club in the bag and potentially the one that can make the biggest difference to your handicap. Its better value than a £550 driver, but i agree golf gear has got very expensive.
@@grahamdavis8997 honestly, I wouldn’t care if it looked like a shovel if it made it easier to get the ball in the hole. Thing is, I’ve only got 2 kidneys, once I get a new driver I will only have one more kidney left to get a putter and I might need that one.
Looks much better than the LAB UFO!! Tech info: increased MOI will give you better resistance to twisting at impact on off center hits while this technology you are describing is basically making sure the center of rotation is going thru the center of mass of the head leading to no rotational force during the takeaway and follow thru. The Allan model (just like the LAB) brings both of these concepts to putting... perhaps we will see similar evolutions in the other clubs if the rules of golf permit it.
Lew fitted me for my Scotty some years ago but I've moved on to the PXG Allan. As long as you don't forward press, it is great as it simplifies the stroke. Have already improved my putting stats with it. Feels strange not to have a bag full of Titleists but if my putting stats remain buoyant, I'm prepared to put up with that.
I have a DF3 and am very keen to see how the Allan compares. I find the feel of the LAB is a little too firm for me and I struggle with the lack of a longer sight line. What is the feel like on the Allan? Really looking forward to your comparison video.
@@TheAverageGolfer Som appreciate your videos. Seeing my PXG fitter tomorrow to try heavier weights. The putter is deadly, it just feels a bit light as is.
A lot of companies are focusing on this tech. Evnroll is coming out with something similar. I guess the question is what's the difference between them?
Lots of the companies are just jamming a bunch of weight in the heel of the club. It technically keeps them close to "zero torque", but then you get inconsistent ball speed off of the putter face. Edel and axis1 do this. The evnroll might be different, but we'll see!
From what ive seen in a LAB video the pxg (much like justin rose' axis) is not zero torque. Only the lab so far seems to be truly zero torque. But if the pxg does 90% of the job and you can get it without a full fitting and having to wait months, and its slightly cheaper than the lab, maybe it makes sense? 🤷
zero torque is techincally impossible, being a combination of the distance between moment arm and line of force any hit off the centre will create torque. How the club resists torque is the big thing (10K MOI sound familiar)
@@theythinkimmadyouknow they aren't using torque in the true sense of the word. They are using it in the sense of pre-strike forgiveness or ease of strike. Zero rotation ("zero torque") of the club face pre-strike means it's easier to have the face square at impact. There is no pull of the putter face pre strike if it's swung on plane aka lie angle. MOI is strike forgiveness - ie not twisting at impact aka forgiveness for off centre strikes. You can have something with massive MOI, but is a terrible club because it's absolutely horrific pre strike, pulling open and closed, that the player has to fight/manipulate to keep it square. Obviously something like the DF3 is ideal because it has decent MOI coupled with that "zero torque" pre strike forgiveness
Yes I also believe every major brand will have one in the market place in the next 12 months. They are not strictly new, and LAB weren’t the first to bring one out. Odyssey had one in 2016, think it was called the “9” 🤔. My mate had one and loved it. I’m not real keen on the looks of that PXG, but there’s a few new Evnroll models coming out in a week or two that look very tasty. I’ve not long shelled out on a new Odyssey Rossie ai-one. That rules me out.
I was sold on this putter as I am a straight back and through style putter BUT then you said the price..... May have to wait for the second hand market to kick in........
This seems a better design and an improvement over LAB putters. Lot of reviewers saying the same. Would love to try it out when it is available in my country. $450 price is quite high but understandable as LAB putters are also in the same/higher price bracket and they want to maximize returns before every manufacturer jumps on this bandwagon.
@@TheAverageGolfer I love it and you’re my favorite reviewer… I’m turning 55 on Saturday and my back is a wreck so I love the viewpoint from a golfer who doesn’t hit his 9 iron 180 😂
Go for a fitting. I was convinced I'd be buying a Mezz but I left with a Link 1 as the stats pointed to it as best for me. Its not been plain sailing and I find its taken ages to get used to how hot it comes off the face on very long putts but middle to short distance its a weapon.
I'm interested in the technology of zero torque but the price is crazy and I won't be binning my existing putter anytime soon. Also, why are we not seeing more of these on tour if they are so revolutionary? Billy Horshel used a Ping Tyne and putted like a God at the BMW, probably because he's super talented!!
You are seeing many of these on tour which is why golfers are now willing to accept the technology, I first reviewed a LAB putter 2 years ago, every one hated on the video, now they tell me how good they are, the wisdom of the RUclips commentator 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer I think many people are put off by the size and looks of the L.A.B.! PXG may be on to something with this offering as it looks decent.
@@TheAverageGolfer my recent golf purchases have been highly influenced by your videos. Cleveland Halo XL irons and CB4 wedges, Ping ChipR, Ping hybrid, and ac Taylormade 13.5 mini driver. Vanity be dammed.
@@TheAverageGolferthe Halo irons, CBX wedges and Ping 7 wood, Chip R and hybrids are working for me, but I haven’t gotten a mini driver yet. Thanks for your advice!
Having gone through a professional putter fitting last week, for the first time ever, I am completely sold on getting custom fit. If the fitter has all the modern tech, you get a "trackman-like" experience but for putting. In my case I ended up with a putter that was 2" shorter in length, lower lofted and a completely different shape to what I have used in the past - a deep or fat Ping Anser shape (not sure what to call it and I have of course forgotten what model it was!) The PXG putter will suit a lot of people, I rather like the look of it, but as I have just spent money on a new, properly fit, putter and I usually change putters about once every 15 years or so, I suspect PXG will never be able to sell me this one!
If I hold on to the grip, my arms attached to my shoulders. How on earth is this working? Is it so heavy it drives my arms and hands. Or maybe the grip is only attached at the top and the shaft can spin in the grip.
@@TheAverageGolfer I have the same question - as long as it is attached to your hands then it cannot spin freely as it does in the revealer and square itself up? Surely the putter will travel in the direction your hands / arms make it ?
Hmm strike totally depends on the player . How you strike the ball is where the ball is going . Grip the club firmly and work on your alignment. The greatest putters that have ever played their putter face looks like a dime imprinted on them .
I am giving up golf for good. I have tried so many putters and clubs and listened to so many so called teachers on here, my game has gone from good, to garbage. At my age in my late 70,s its too depressing to carry on. I have tried this putter, and i would like to fitted for PXG clubs, but i have lost all interest. Love watching you having fun, keep going, dont be like me.
Definitely a Groundhog Day moment. You previously putted brilliantly with a LAB Meze “zero torque “ putter and then abandoned it apparently because it was too unconventional? Surprising that you make little or no reference to that but are once again recommending zero torque as the way ahead. What changed?
@@TheAverageGolfer I’m not sure that answers my question, and of course you don’t have to. But I’m genuinely interested in whether you think this new pxg putter is better than the previous zero torque one you used with such success, and if so, why?
@philipvalente7098 I suspect it's similar but different. PXG entering the zero torque mkt - and as Andy says its easier on the eye. Or at least is less radical in terms of looks.
@@philipvalente7098 I hadn’t realised the question, maybe you dip in and out of the content I produce, we review ever club that hits the market, it’s not about what I use, it’s about showing the golfing public the options they have open to them. I suggest watch this again and I feel your answers are in the commentary if you listen 👍
I love the zero torque concept so much I built my own putter to be zero torque. I dropped 22 strokes off my game in 2 months by fitting my putter to my biomechanics and practicing with it. I built my putter for $125 AUD. Now playing consistently between 80 and 85. Can't break 80 yet but I'll get there.
I find it very amusing how people are put off by the price of a putter when its the most used club in the bag but have no issue dropping £450-£500 on a new driver that gives them marginal gains 🤔
Saw a video (granted from LAB :-)) that showed the PXG Allan putter still swims! I don't believe the PXG claims about zero torque. Need more objective testing, head to head. ruclips.net/video/mtDqgVA4D14/видео.htmlsi=IR1KLvtDwtj9ksu8 Did PXG pay you? Or are you sponsored by them? Any disclaimers?
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Ordered the LAB DF3 last week. Swinging that putter was eye opening! Look of the DF3 was actually part of what attracted me to it. Can't wait to get it out on the course!
It's just marketing, this zero torque thing. I THOUGHT. My mate bought a L.A.B DF3 and said try it. After around a dozen strokes (they are different from conventual putters) putts were rolling so much better and going in or near. I went to Belton Park Golf Club and tried them again, the results were unbelievable. It's not a gimmick it works, if you have the opportunity please just try one. Remember Christmas will soon be here 😊.
It’s so true Edwin, until you try them it’s hard to grasp that they are very different from conventional as you say
I had a LAB Mezz putter but struggled with distance control and ended up selling it on. I have bought the Allan 3 weeks ago and found distance control excellent and you can feel it wanting to stay square to your stroke, i personally have found it better than the LAB and looks more like a conventional putter.
400 quid for a putter is crazy
@@JackTheAverage Its the most used club in the bag and potentially the one that can make the biggest difference to your handicap. Its better value than a £550 driver, but i agree golf gear has got very expensive.
That’s interesting and appreciate the feedback
@@gregcarnall9097 I'd feel bad spending £400 on my entire set haha
Can’t wait for the LAB vs PXG Allan comparison
Honestly-does it even compare to a lab putter. You putted so well with the lab putter you had.
The lab putter looks like you are going out to brand some cattle, this putter actually looks good.
Bollocks. @@keyboardoracle1044
DF3 and Mezz are relatively compact.
Not branding irons..
@@grahamdavis8997 honestly, I wouldn’t care if it looked like a shovel if it made it easier to get the ball in the hole. Thing is, I’ve only got 2 kidneys, once I get a new driver I will only have one more kidney left to get a putter and I might need that one.
@@keyboardoracle1044😂
Looks much better than the LAB UFO!! Tech info: increased MOI will give you better resistance to twisting at impact on off center hits while this technology you are describing is basically making sure the center of rotation is going thru the center of mass of the head leading to no rotational force during the takeaway and follow thru. The Allan model (just like the LAB) brings both of these concepts to putting... perhaps we will see similar evolutions in the other clubs if the rules of golf permit it.
I loved the lab putter i tested and may look at a fitting at the end of the year, interesting to see what other manufacturers do
Lew fitted me for my Scotty some years ago but I've moved on to the PXG Allan. As long as you don't forward press, it is great as it simplifies the stroke. Have already improved my putting stats with it. Feels strange not to have a bag full of Titleists but if my putting stats remain buoyant, I'm prepared to put up with that.
John……the dark side?
Possibly….
@@johntinkler6718 so
You for forward press with the Allen? Is that bc of the grip or you think
The shaft placement into putter?
@@jimmyp6049 No Jimmy, I DON'T forward press with the Allan - I go straight back with it. The press is built in to the grip so there is no need.
I have a DF3 and am very keen to see how the Allan compares. I find the feel of the LAB is a little too firm for me and I struggle with the lack of a longer sight line. What is the feel like on the Allan? Really looking forward to your comparison video.
The Allan feels 100x more firm. I have both and hate how the Allan feels. It’s going back.
Just got my PXG Allen. I'm a 17 hcp that 3-putts way too much.
First round with this putter; 16 2-putts and 2 1-putts. Remarkable!
Thanks for feedback, nice to hear from a golfer who has tried it 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer Som appreciate your videos.
Seeing my PXG fitter tomorrow to try heavier weights. The putter is deadly, it just feels a bit light as is.
@@billhart I would like to try a slightly heavier weight myself
A lot of companies are focusing on this tech. Evnroll is coming out with something similar. I guess the question is what's the difference between them?
It is the way forward
Lots of the companies are just jamming a bunch of weight in the heel of the club. It technically keeps them close to "zero torque", but then you get inconsistent ball speed off of the putter face. Edel and axis1 do this. The evnroll might be different, but we'll see!
From what ive seen in a LAB video the pxg (much like justin rose' axis) is not zero torque. Only the lab so far seems to be truly zero torque. But if the pxg does 90% of the job and you can get it without a full fitting and having to wait months, and its slightly cheaper than the lab, maybe it makes sense? 🤷
zero torque is techincally impossible, being a combination of the distance between moment arm and line of force any hit off the centre will create torque. How the club resists torque is the big thing (10K MOI sound familiar)
@@theythinkimmadyouknow they aren't using torque in the true sense of the word. They are using it in the sense of pre-strike forgiveness or ease of strike. Zero rotation ("zero torque") of the club face pre-strike means it's easier to have the face square at impact. There is no pull of the putter face pre strike if it's swung on plane aka lie angle. MOI is strike forgiveness - ie not twisting at impact aka forgiveness for off centre strikes. You can have something with massive MOI, but is a terrible club because it's absolutely horrific pre strike, pulling open and closed, that the player has to fight/manipulate to keep it square. Obviously something like the DF3 is ideal because it has decent MOI coupled with that "zero torque" pre strike forgiveness
@@tezzlacoilz Ahh, I see, good insight, thanks man!!
Would love to see a longer video on this putter. Maybe in the bag and on the course.
I am sure there will be a follow up
I’ve been using the LAB Link putter for the last year. Best investment in golf I’ve made. And it looks like an Anser putter, not a branding iron.
So you got the Link.1 👍
Can't wait for the comparison Andy cheers. As you know i love my Mezz1.
Yes I am also interested
@@TheAverageGolfer would love you to test the Tour Edge Exotics E725 10k driver. Be good to get your thoughts. All the best.
Yes I also believe every major brand will have one in the market place in the next 12 months. They are not strictly new, and LAB weren’t the first to bring one out. Odyssey had one in 2016, think it was called the “9” 🤔. My mate had one and loved it. I’m not real keen on the looks of that PXG, but there’s a few new Evnroll models coming out in a week or two that look very tasty. I’ve not long shelled out on a new Odyssey Rossie ai-one. That rules me out.
That one wasn’t zero torque like the LAB it was toe up which is similar to this PXG
I was sold on this putter as I am a straight back and through style putter BUT then you said the price..... May have to wait for the second hand market to kick in........
Yes like many golf clubs right now they come with a hefty price tag
And if its as good as claimed there wont be any second hand. I use a LAB and I cant see me ever changing from it.
This seems a better design and an improvement over LAB putters. Lot of reviewers saying the same. Would love to try it out when it is available in my country. $450 price is quite high but understandable as LAB putters are also in the same/higher price bracket and they want to maximize returns before every manufacturer jumps on this bandwagon.
Odyssey have some coming out in the next few months
The PXG is more conventional whether that’s improvement is up to the individual, we just try to examine each product on its own merits
5 rounds in. 30-32 putts per round. I'm a 18 handicap. I think it works
I have it and quite honestly the best putter I’ve ever used… first round 29 putts 🎉
It’s good to get some feedback from someone who has tried it, glad it’s working well 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer I love it and you’re my favorite reviewer… I’m turning 55 on Saturday and my back is a wreck so I love the viewpoint from a golfer who doesn’t hit his 9 iron 180 😂
I was thinking of getting a Lab but will wait for the next video now
Go for a fitting. I was convinced I'd be buying a Mezz but I left with a Link 1 as the stats pointed to it as best for me. Its not been plain sailing and I find its taken ages to get used to how hot it comes off the face on very long putts but middle to short distance its a weapon.
I'm interested in the technology of zero torque but the price is crazy and I won't be binning my existing putter anytime soon.
Also, why are we not seeing more of these on tour if they are so revolutionary? Billy Horshel used a Ping Tyne and putted like a God at the BMW, probably because he's super talented!!
You are seeing many of these on tour which is why golfers are now willing to accept the technology, I first reviewed a LAB putter 2 years ago, every one hated on the video, now they tell me how good they are, the wisdom of the RUclips commentator 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer I think many people are put off by the size and looks of the L.A.B.! PXG may be on to something with this offering as it looks decent.
@@Keef1664 the most recent LAB putters are significantly smaller than the original DF2
Hi Andy, have you seen the video by Lab trying to prove that the PXG doesn’t work like there putters.
Yeah I did, very interesting
their !
@@Dancingbrave-n7b oh my god, the word police are here quick run.
I’ve been using the Lab broomstick putter. Zero torque is the best style.
They sure do work
@@TheAverageGolfer my recent golf purchases have been highly influenced by your videos. Cleveland Halo XL irons and CB4 wedges, Ping ChipR, Ping hybrid, and ac Taylormade 13.5 mini driver. Vanity be dammed.
@@tedchiles8282hope they are all working
@@TheAverageGolferthe Halo irons, CBX wedges and Ping 7 wood, Chip R and hybrids are working for me, but I haven’t gotten a mini driver yet. Thanks for your advice!
Really looking for to the unbiased comparison between Allan and LAB!
Having gone through a professional putter fitting last week, for the first time ever, I am completely sold on getting custom fit.
If the fitter has all the modern tech, you get a "trackman-like" experience but for putting. In my case I ended up with a putter that was 2" shorter in length, lower lofted and a completely different shape to what I have used in the past - a deep or fat Ping Anser shape (not sure what to call it and I have of course forgotten what model it was!)
The PXG putter will suit a lot of people, I rather like the look of it, but as I have just spent money on a new, properly fit, putter and I usually change putters about once every 15 years or so, I suspect PXG will never be able to sell me this one!
It’s similar to the Odyssey Toe-Up #7.
If I hold on to the grip, my arms attached to my shoulders. How on earth is this working? Is it so heavy it drives my arms and hands. Or maybe the grip is only attached at the top and the shaft can spin in the grip.
I have no idea what you are saying 😂
@@TheAverageGolfer I have the same question - as long as it is attached to your hands then it cannot spin freely as it does in the revealer and square itself up? Surely the putter will travel in the direction your hands / arms make it ?
Yikes! USD450here in the States.
Hmm strike totally depends on the player . How you strike the ball is where the ball is going . Grip the club firmly and work on your alignment. The greatest putters that have ever played their putter face looks like a dime imprinted on them .
I am giving up golf for good. I have tried so many putters and clubs and listened to so many so called teachers on here, my game has gone from good, to garbage. At my age in my late 70,s its too depressing to carry on. I have tried this putter, and i would like to fitted for PXG clubs, but i have lost all interest. Love watching you having fun, keep going, dont be like me.
That’s really disappointing, maybe take a break and get the hunger back
Hmm. Lab used to be the best thing since sliced bread. Can you be truly independent when sponsorship comes into the equation??
I haven’t criticised Lab have I? 🤷♂️
@@TheAverageGolferNo, but you have endorsed the PXG claim that the Allan is a Zero Torque putter, which it clearly is not.
@@perrycockreham6520can you provide a reference to validate your claim. Otherwise I’ll just have to assume you’re a Fkwit
Definitely a Groundhog Day moment. You previously putted brilliantly with a LAB Meze “zero torque “ putter and then abandoned it apparently because it was too unconventional? Surprising that you make little or no reference to that but are once again recommending zero torque as the way ahead. What changed?
PXG sponsoring
Glad you enjoyed it
@@TheAverageGolfer I’m not sure that answers my question, and of course you don’t have to. But I’m genuinely interested in whether you think this new pxg putter is better than the previous zero torque one you used with such success, and if so, why?
@philipvalente7098
I suspect it's similar but different. PXG entering the zero torque mkt - and as Andy says its easier on the eye. Or at least is less radical in terms of looks.
@@philipvalente7098 I hadn’t realised the question, maybe you dip in and out of the content I produce, we review ever club that hits the market, it’s not about what I use, it’s about showing the golfing public the options they have open to them. I suggest watch this again and I feel your answers are in the commentary if you listen 👍
Yikes! Just heard the price
Want. Unfortunately can't have.
Please don’t make us wait too long for the PXG vs LAB head to head…!!!!
I love the zero torque concept so much I built my own putter to be zero torque. I dropped 22 strokes off my game in 2 months by fitting my putter to my biomechanics and practicing with it. I built my putter for $125 AUD. Now playing consistently between 80 and 85. Can't break 80 yet but I'll get there.
I find it very amusing how people are put off by the price of a putter when its the most used club in the bag but have no issue dropping £450-£500 on a new driver that gives them marginal gains 🤔
I want one.
Pxg hat on I don’t know how this could be biased in any way
Which part was biased
@@TheAverageGolferI didn’t say it was, were you mistaking my comment for sarcasm
I think every amateur golfer should use a Lab putter. This would lower their scores 4 to 6 strokes around.
The concept needs to be tried to appreciate it
Named in honour of Allan Partridge
In honour of Bob Parsons brother who passed away
Are you sponsored by this company?
Sponsored by pgx
To be fair I’m impressed you can spell sponsored 👏👏👏
😂
Nothing new here. LAB did it beforehand you had one.
The sheep are unimpressed with your putting.
Saw a video (granted from LAB :-)) that showed the PXG Allan putter still swims! I don't believe the PXG claims about zero torque. Need more objective testing, head to head.
ruclips.net/video/mtDqgVA4D14/видео.htmlsi=IR1KLvtDwtj9ksu8
Did PXG pay you? Or are you sponsored by them? Any disclaimers?
@@T35LA 😂 people make me laugh…..‘I don’t believe the PXG claims’ based on what a hunch 😂 we live in strange times
@@TheAverageGolfer ruclips.net/video/mtDqgVA4D14/видео.htmlsi=K0Pcov1nQfuhYSej
Its very hard for me to take these PXG reviews seriously, when you're obviously paid by them. It smells.
Agreed…. Every review prior to his PXG connection was about the next “best club ever” segment. Now it’s paycheck reviews.
That putter ‘swims’ like crazy in the LAB torque testing device. I'm unsubscribing to this commercial TV channel.
Putted lights out with the lab… now this putter will change your game… yawn…
Love the click bait….
Works on you every time 😂👍
@@TheAverageGolfer clearly