I got fit and ordered a LAB on June 8, still waiting. I ordered an Allan with the same specs last week,it will be here tomorrow. The main reason I ordered it were the demos like yours where the face held towards the target.
I essentially did the same thing with my existing SeeMore blade putter. It started as face balanced. I was inconsistent with it, partly due to light weight. I added 3/4 oz to the hollow back, both heal and toe, which helped some. Not being satisfied with my consistency I moved the toe weight to the heel and added another half ounce. This provides sufficient head weight for stability and makes the heel hang which has helped me keep the face on line more consistently. I am putting more long puts within 3 feet and have even holed several between 20 and 40 feet.
@@jackbowman4788 thank you. I’m not saying people should run out and buy a new putter, but I’m saying this technology of no torque is as significant as the change from bull’s-eyes to perimeter weighted putters back when ping began.
I never got along with face-balanced putters, never looked at center-shafted putters but LAB is another level. Just ordered a Mezz Max with the Accra shaft. Delivery is 3 to 5 weeks so seems like other people caught on before I did haha.
Love the video but 2 things, sir. 1. Add a new competitor to the mix, the Evnroll Zero, and it looks pretty good! 2. Fun fact, Odyssey made a line of putters back in 2015 or 16 they called the Toe Up series. They apparently did an awful job marketing them though. Id be interested to see one in real life because they are one of the few that made a blade that offers the zero (or low) torque.
1. The EvnRoll putters have been tested and documented not to produce zero toque. I'll double check specifically on the Evnroll zero. (Suspect they'd have a device to show off like LAB and PXG if it did) 2. I've never actually seen one of the Odyssey Toe Up Series in person, but would love to try one.
Just traded in my Evnroll for a Mezz Max. I wasn't getting the speed control I wanted. Speed was pretty solid with the LAB. Won't be able to tell if the dispersion is better until delivery and a putting session.
I have LAB putters and one Allan putter. I keep detailed stats on my putting and while it is early I have to say that my preference between the two brands is for the Allan, and the stats seem to bear this out. I am not wild about the grip on it and I'm wondering if I change the grip does this change the dynamics of the target balance? I also know that I haven't had enough time using the putter to say definitely which I find better. And I know that I am talking about my own experience and preferences. Others may have different experiences. But thanks for this review, it was a very good treatise on the subject. I don't have a Honu putter so can't compare it.
I have only tried them in stores (I was passing through Charlotte, NC and discovered a PXG Showroom) but my test drives agree with you. I think the long aiming line on the Allen makes it easier to start at the target. If you don't aim them correctly, they don't go in. I made more putts with the Allen. Still on the fence about the investment though.
Not ready to spend the money yet. When I finish the online courses, I'll reevaluate my blade. Quite comfortable with it. In the meantime, can I adjust the weighted inserts in the toe and and heel, to get a more stable face? Thanks
@@chgodave adding weight to the heel and tool will give you a higher MOI or moment of inertia, which will feel more stable on off-center hits, but it will not be any more stable just before and at impact, which is when it matters most
@@rl7880 I’ve been using the Honu for 4 years. I was using a LAB DF2.1 before that. If I came across a putter that performed better, I would definitely switch.
I recently bought a Honu based on your review of 3 years ago. It’s taken 3 weeks to get fully settled with it but it is amazingly good. Putts are dropping and my opponents are grumbling 😂 Thanks Mr One putt and even more, thanks to Honu for your amazing putter. Even better for me is that it’s a small operation with no big budget for paying pros etc. Just helping amateurs putt better 🏌🏿♂️⛳️
@@DennisKennedy-dj7wg that was pretty much my experience I got the Honu. I tried it. I liked it from the start, but after about three weeks, I got settled with it and I literally don’t see me ever putting with anything else.
Where do you get those putter devices that show the torque of a putter? I was looking at the lab golf revealer, but it didn’t look like they are selling them. That makes me think that they are selective on who they give them out to.
@@gripitandripit they give them to fitters for LAB and Honu. They just don’t mass produce them. The local PXG rep loaned me his. I suspect they might be able to sell you one if you find your local rep
@@RonBrumleve I haven’t. I’m working on a video plan for multiple types of putters which claim to be balanced in the way that lab whole new and the PXG Allen are. It’ll probably be about a month before I put it out.
@@Fredemmerson no. PXG used a totally different approach to get to this and their putter is not lie angle, balanced it achieves zero torque through another method.
I own a BioMech arm Lock putter. How does that compare to the PXG allan putter. Wouldn't the fact that it is locked in place by the forearm keep it from rotating?
@@misteroneputt Would you agree that it would be the same parameter for the pxg putter. No matter which putter one uses the human element plays a role in keeping the putter face square.
@@joerao1405 yes. With one you are making sure not to twist it off-line and with the other, you are making sure to hold it perfectly still so that it doesn’t twist off Line, but there’s always a human element involved.
I was ALWAYS lousy at putting... the worst part of my hardly great (in general) golf game. Practice did not seem to help, and I went through a variety of putter shapes / designs over the years that also did not help. Additionally, the insane idea of spending $100 for a putter when my entire bag of clubs only cost $200. -- this was in the 1970's and 80's. -- seemed ludicrous to me. But late in life, I finally broke down and bought a strange looking, used Odyssey putter at a golf shop. As demonstrated in your video, it was almost impossible for this horseshoe shaped thing to swing off-line. With a SuperStroker, oversized grip to help eliminate my hands from the putting stroke, finally at age 77, I am a confident putter. A bit too late to really benefit me, I do LOVE going to the practice greens now and listening to that beautiful sound of golf ball rolling into a cup ! Sweet music to these old ears... Funny how things work some times -- better late than never. 😊😊
@@ecliqxse9591 it’s a face balanced putter with a unique hosel. It rotates like any other face balanced putter in a device that lets the putter face go where it wants. Not saying it’s a bad product, but it is not functionally the same as the putters I mentioned in this video.
SeeMore is a high quality putter. Their special concept is using a mark on the putter to align with the shaft so that the putter is perfectly square at impact. During the stroke the putter performs like any other Face Balanced or Toe Hang putter. I included video of my SeeMore in the LAB golf Revealer in my review of the Honu Putter
Now let’s try the same test with the ball making contact 1/4” at a time toward the heal then toward the toe of the putter. Guess what? It will open and close just like any other putter. With this type of balance I am going to guess it has to be dead center. I believe most putting issue’s with most higher hcp players Has to do with allot other factors and putter twisting included but may not be the biggest issue.,
You are right that most high handicappers have other issues. With regards to hitting on the heel or toe...certainly any putter will open or close when you hit it on the heel or toe. The ONLY thing that happens with a heel or toe strike is that the ball travels less distance. Slo motion video studies have proven that striking putts on the heel or toe does not cause putts to roll off line because the ball has almost zero dwell time on the putter face ...In other words the ball is gone before the heel or toe impact twists the face off line. Additionally putters balanced like the PXG Allan, Honu or LAB have been shown to roll more consistent speed and distance when struck on heel or toe
What the PXG Allan brings to the market is the square face technology with a more conventional styled head, versus these odd looking heads of the Honu and LAB
There is no magic putter out there, even one as expensive as PXG. There is only one putter that gives consistent results and it is one call Practice, we all own one but don’t practice enough with it.
You are correct. My real point here is that zero torque is the coming trend just like when Karsten Solheim introduced perimeter weighting...it changed putters. These first 3 torque free putters are the leading volley in that revolution. But there is no "magic wand" to replace Practice...which most people just don't do enough.
@@golfmaniac actually LAB putters are not faced balanced. They are Lie Angle Balanced. And the video discusses LAB and face balanced putters and how they are different
@@jaydilley7064 yes. I own a LAB DF2.1 and a Mezz and they both stayed balanced in the PXG tube. Just didn’t include that here due to length of video and also not wanting to focus on LAB too much while reviewing the PXG Allan
The PXG Allan is like a game improvement iron for putting
I got fit and ordered a LAB on June 8, still waiting.
I ordered an Allan with the same specs last week,it will be here tomorrow.
The main reason I ordered it were the demos like yours where the face held towards the target.
@@philhazel4810 that’s a long wait on the LAB
Solid unbiased review. Good job staying neutral and giving each putter its praise.
Thank you
I brought the PXG Allan putter last week during a fitting, it is replacing my battle ready putter.
I essentially did the same thing with my existing SeeMore blade putter. It started as face balanced. I was inconsistent with it, partly due to light weight. I added 3/4 oz to the hollow back, both heal and toe, which helped some. Not being satisfied with my consistency I moved the toe weight to the heel and added another half ounce. This provides sufficient head weight for stability and makes the heel hang which has helped me keep the face on line more consistently. I am putting more long puts within 3 feet and have even holed several between 20 and 40 feet.
Excellent video John. I'm going t check my current putter today. Never thought about the importance of balance and aiming
@@jackbowman4788 thank you. I’m not saying people should run out and buy a new putter, but I’m saying this technology of no torque is as significant as the change from bull’s-eyes to perimeter weighted putters back when ping began.
I use a face balance, center shafted putter, and I find that the pendulum type stroke needed for that putter does not need a lot of manipulation.
I never got along with face-balanced putters, never looked at center-shafted putters but LAB is another level. Just ordered a Mezz Max with the Accra shaft. Delivery is 3 to 5 weeks so seems like other people caught on before I did haha.
I can’t wait to get fitted for one!
Love the video but 2 things, sir. 1. Add a new competitor to the mix, the Evnroll Zero, and it looks pretty good! 2. Fun fact, Odyssey made a line of putters back in 2015 or 16 they called the Toe Up series. They apparently did an awful job marketing them though. Id be interested to see one in real life because they are one of the few that made a blade that offers the zero (or low) torque.
Oh and you taught me something about the Honu. I consider myself a student of the game but I had never heard of it!
1. The EvnRoll putters have been tested and documented not to produce zero toque. I'll double check specifically on the Evnroll zero. (Suspect they'd have a device to show off like LAB and PXG if it did) 2. I've never actually seen one of the Odyssey Toe Up Series in person, but would love to try one.
@@misteroneputt I thought I replied but the Evnroll I'm referring to is a new one MGS just reviewed. It comes out the end of Oct.
@@JonathanSpann Ahhh...good to know...I'll find one when it comes out and test it. I don't have the clout of MGS to get these things early, LOL
@@misteroneputt you and me both 🤣
Just traded in my Evnroll for a Mezz Max. I wasn't getting the speed control I wanted. Speed was pretty solid with the LAB. Won't be able to tell if the dispersion is better until delivery and a putting session.
What do you think of the Evenroll blade and mallet putters?
@@anthonyviola9400 I think they are high-quality and very good putters
I have LAB putters and one Allan putter. I keep detailed stats on my putting and while it is early I have to say that my preference between the two brands is for the Allan, and the stats seem to bear this out. I am not wild about the grip on it and I'm wondering if I change the grip does this change the dynamics of the target balance? I also know that I haven't had enough time using the putter to say definitely which I find better. And I know that I am talking about my own experience and preferences. Others may have different experiences. But thanks for this review, it was a very good treatise on the subject. I don't have a Honu putter so can't compare it.
@@robertberardy405 I don’t think a different grip will change the target balance of the putter unless it is a very heavy or weighted grip
I have only tried them in stores (I was passing through Charlotte, NC and discovered a PXG Showroom) but my test drives agree with you. I think the long aiming line on the Allen makes it easier to start at the target. If you don't aim them correctly, they don't go in. I made more putts with the Allen. Still on the fence about the investment though.
@ yes it’s not inexpensive
I use an Odyssey Toe Up putter.
It is advertised as zero Torque.
Thank you for your informative video!
Backstryke putter from Odyssey started zero torque concept over 20 yrs ago
Not ready to spend the money yet. When I finish the online courses, I'll reevaluate my blade. Quite comfortable with it. In the meantime, can I adjust the weighted inserts in the toe and and heel, to get a more stable face? Thanks
@@chgodave adding weight to the heel and tool will give you a higher MOI or moment of inertia, which will feel more stable on off-center hits, but it will not be any more stable just before and at impact, which is when it matters most
My Edel putter does this too. I git it a few years ago, it's heel balanced so hangs the same way. Great idea but absolutely not new.
How long have you used a Honu? And if you happened to test a putter that performed better would you come off the Honu?
@@rl7880 I’ve been using the Honu for 4 years. I was using a LAB DF2.1 before that. If I came across a putter that performed better, I would definitely switch.
I recently bought a Honu based on your review of 3 years ago. It’s taken 3 weeks to get fully settled with it but it is amazingly good. Putts are dropping and my opponents are grumbling 😂 Thanks Mr One putt and even more, thanks to Honu for your amazing putter. Even better for me is that it’s a small operation with no big budget for paying pros etc. Just helping amateurs putt better 🏌🏿♂️⛳️
@@DennisKennedy-dj7wg that was pretty much my experience I got the Honu. I tried it. I liked it from the start, but after about three weeks, I got settled with it and I literally don’t see me ever putting with anything else.
Where do you get those putter devices that show the torque of a putter? I was looking at the lab golf revealer, but it didn’t look like they are selling them. That makes me think that they are selective on who they give them out to.
@@gripitandripit they give them to fitters for LAB and Honu. They just don’t mass produce them. The local PXG rep loaned me his. I suspect they might be able to sell you one if you find your local rep
Nice video!
I can’t wait for the new $cotty coming out.
Should be around $1500 without a shaft and grip. Does not include shipping and handling… 🙄😂
@@johnbrodnik839 thanks
Have you ever reviewed the SQ Putter by Performance Golf, compared to these others?
@@RonBrumleve I haven’t. I’m working on a video plan for multiple types of putters which claim to be balanced in the way that lab whole new and the PXG Allen are. It’ll probably be about a month before I put it out.
3:35: that’s my putter. Not that specific one, but the face-balanced thing.
Does all lab putter all no torque ? Because the link.1 is blade shape
They are all zero torque. Lab has figured out a way to balance a blade with no torque. No other manufacturer has been able to achieve that yet.
Is my understanding correct that L.A.B. licensed its patented lie angle balance technology to PXG?
@@Fredemmerson no. PXG used a totally different approach to get to this and their putter is not lie angle, balanced it achieves zero torque through another method.
Whatever they said, they copied LAB
How about the SeeMore putters or the Odessey Big Seven center shaft putter?
They both rotate in the revealer type devices. But both are quality products
I can’t deal with lab putters based on looks alone
I own a BioMech arm Lock putter. How does that compare to the PXG allan putter. Wouldn't the fact that it is locked in place by the forearm keep it from rotating?
@@joerao1405 yes unless you make any rotation or twist in your arm or wrist during the stroke
@@misteroneputt Would you agree that it would be the same parameter for the pxg putter. No matter which putter one uses the human element plays a role in keeping the putter face square.
@@joerao1405 yes. With one you are making sure not to twist it off-line and with the other, you are making sure to hold it perfectly still so that it doesn’t twist off Line, but there’s always a human element involved.
Every day proves how prescient PT Barnum was
Hey Woodie, that pessimism may not apply to everything... 😊😊
I was ALWAYS lousy at putting... the worst part of my hardly great (in general) golf game. Practice did not seem to help, and I went through a variety of putter shapes / designs over the years that also did not help.
Additionally, the insane idea of spending $100 for a putter when my entire bag of clubs only cost $200. -- this was in the 1970's and 80's. -- seemed ludicrous to me.
But late in life, I finally broke down and bought a strange looking, used Odyssey putter at a golf shop. As demonstrated in your video, it was almost impossible for this horseshoe shaped thing to swing off-line. With a SuperStroker, oversized grip to help eliminate my hands from the putting stroke, finally at age 77, I am a confident putter.
A bit too late to really benefit me, I do LOVE going to the practice greens now and listening to that beautiful sound of golf ball rolling into a cup ! Sweet music to these old ears...
Funny how things work some times -- better late than never. 😊😊
@@robertsalata7828 great journey
@@misteroneputt Definitely a journey... great or not I'm unsure.
I don’t see the a link if there is one. Which model are you using ? I found 2 different ones?
I didn't put a link to the PXG Putter. They only have one PXG putter named Allan...am I answering the question you are asking?
@@misteroneputt Yes than you
thanks
Positive putters can be added to the list
Side saddle but yes
U want a cheaper route go for the SQ putter , it performs just as well as this Pxg and lab putter ..
@@ecliqxse9591 it’s a face balanced putter with a unique hosel. It rotates like any other face balanced putter in a device that lets the putter face go where it wants. Not saying it’s a bad product, but it is not functionally the same as the putters I mentioned in this video.
Edel makes a toe up putter
@@michaeltenenbaum2913 yes they do but it doesn’t perform like the 3 I mentioned here in a device like the one shown. It spins during the stroke
better than A.I. one Odyssey
What about SeeMore?
SeeMore is a high quality putter. Their special concept is using a mark on the putter to align with the shaft so that the putter is perfectly square at impact. During the stroke the putter performs like any other Face Balanced or Toe Hang putter. I included video of my SeeMore in the LAB golf Revealer in my review of the Honu Putter
The PXG tries to be a LAB, and gets about 90% of the way there.
@@BretDouglas that’s a good description although the get to similar functionality with a wildly different method
Its a good thing humans have thumbs to hold onjects, other wise my putter would be all over the place
@@Lil-monkeyo valid. Thats why I said this new technology is helpful but not mandatory
Now let’s try the same test with the ball making contact 1/4” at a time toward the heal then toward the toe of the putter.
Guess what? It will open and close just like any other putter.
With this type of balance I am going to guess it has to be dead center.
I believe most putting issue’s with most higher hcp players Has to do with allot other factors and putter twisting included but may not be the biggest issue.,
You are right that most high handicappers have other issues. With regards to hitting on the heel or toe...certainly any putter will open or close when you hit it on the heel or toe. The ONLY thing that happens with a heel or toe strike is that the ball travels less distance. Slo motion video studies have proven that striking putts on the heel or toe does not cause putts to roll off line because the ball has almost zero dwell time on the putter face ...In other words the ball is gone before the heel or toe impact twists the face off line. Additionally putters balanced like the PXG Allan, Honu or LAB have been shown to roll more consistent speed and distance when struck on heel or toe
Get pwned
No clue
Sounds like a lab putter thats bin out a while already
Nothing more then an over-hyped piece of metal for the suckers in golf.
What the PXG Allan brings to the market is the square face technology with a more conventional styled head, versus these odd looking heads of the Honu and LAB
@@donsmnc5319 true
There is no magic putter out there, even one as expensive as PXG. There is only one putter that gives consistent results and it is one call Practice, we all own one but don’t practice enough with it.
You are correct. My real point here is that zero torque is the coming trend just like when Karsten Solheim introduced perimeter weighting...it changed putters. These first 3 torque free putters are the leading volley in that revolution. But there is no "magic wand" to replace Practice...which most people just don't do enough.
What a load of guff
This is not new or revolutionary, LAB putters have been face balanced for years.
@@golfmaniac actually LAB putters are not faced balanced. They are Lie Angle Balanced. And the video discusses LAB and face balanced putters and how they are different
If you used the pxg balance tube grip thing, would my lab mezz max stay stable?
@@jaydilley7064 yes. I own a LAB DF2.1 and a Mezz and they both stayed balanced in the PXG tube. Just didn’t include that here due to length of video and also not wanting to focus on LAB too much while reviewing the PXG Allan