The INCREDIBLE Rise Of Sepp Kuss | The UNEXPECTED Vuelta a Espana 2023 Winner
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2023
- Sepp Kuss is one of the best American riders of his generation on the copse of winning his first grandtour. He has been a loyal lieutenant for many riders in Jumbo Visma and demonstrated his incredible climbing prowess as well.
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Wow, this is impressive archival footage. thanks for pulling together this story, especially for those who question the "gifting" of the Vuelta among the Jumbo-Visma team. Cycling is a team sport and this compilation weaves that reality wonderfully.
Glad you enjoyed and yeah it really puts in perspective his talent from early in his career
Thank you for highlighting the phenomenal Sepp Kuss. He has long ridden quietly in support of the JV superstars, and it's time the world took notice of this young man. Hopefully Vuelta 2023 has given him the confidence to realize he is more than just a super domestique and he decides to perhaps step into the GC leader role. If his comfort level is to stay a domestique that's OK too. He is still AWESOME!!!
Nothing phenomenal about kuss
@dannyjensen2123 someone’s a jealous chump. Sepp Kuss is a special dude
First, I LIKE Sepp Kuss-he’s a strong rider…but to say he “deserves” to win is just new age kumbaya nonsense. Vingegaard or Roglic were both stronger this Vuelta, and it was obvious they LET Kuss win. Argue all you like, but Kuss wasn’t even the best rider on his team, let alone the best rider of the Vuelta. I can’t believe he actually thinks he’s the winner, but I hope he enjoys this Tour victory since it will be his last.
@@fredpearson5204Jonas maybe…but Roglic wasn’t going to
catch him in GC
@@SvenKrevchenko , Jonas for sure; Roglic had more time to make up, but I think he could have done it. We’ll never know. In any event, Kuss wasn’t the best/strongest rider, and even though I like him, his. Victory is a hollow one.
Sepp Kuss - the quiet champion. More importantly - he is a great model for younger riders coming up through the ranks. Thanks for the review of his career!
Totally agree, he's a fantastic rider, with a great personality, just a shame many of his fans are just the opposite
Maybe quiet but not a champion
Great comment, thank you, I think Sep Kuss is a great rider overall, he has done a great domestique work since he is riding to Jumbo by helping Jonas and Primoz to get victories in the the grand tours like France and Giro and I think he deserves the championship title of La Vuelta regardless his team mates return back the favour. On the other hand because Sepp looks like a great guy, he has shown humbility and profesionalism, great spanish speaker and like often to share his victories with the people and fans by doing the high five, something remarkable that a few riders don't.
I think the only missing piece for Sepp's arsenals is his speed in flats and ITT. Currently, he is not considered as one of the fastest in this category even so comparing to Jonas and Primos. but I hope we can see him improve in this categories
Abolutely awesome commentary analysis put together around Sepp Kuss and how he has shone!! Fantastic! Great job! Thank you!
Congrats Sepp!!!
Very enjoyable. Thanks for putting this together for us.
Well done, thank you!!!
Great recap! Sepp is awesome! ❤
Nice summary! Fingers crossed today goes well for him.
Thank you so much for this video highlighting the superb riding skills and toughness of Sepp Kuss throughout his career and in the Grand Tours particularly. Obviously the "nice guy" has done some gifting of his own in the past and has definitely worked hard enough to win the Vuelta this year. G. Thomas and most of the Vuelta peloton apparently agrees with you too and they know more than me. Always enjoy your videos and commentary.
Excellent video! Go Sepp!!!
really good video, thanks!
Terrific recap of the dedicated support and riding this truly admirable American has done for his teammates. So awesome to witness him step up to the red jersey! Kudos to Jumbo Visma for promoting these kinds of possibilities for their riders 🙌🖤💛
Sepp ,CONGRATULATIONS with your vuelta victory! GREETINGS FROM THE NETHERLANDS!
Great video! Good job!!
Thank you!
Well done, Dane!!!!!!
Thank you glad you enjoyed it
Sepp showed himself as a total class act, gracious and humble... His Vuelta victory was a testament to his tenacity and class, his good nature and strength of character shown through even as Primoz and Jonas, tried to wrestle the jersey from his shoulders, a traitorous act if there ever was one. Sepp is truly a great champion
Here's the facts. He got more time in the breakaway than they could claw back. He defended his jersey with the best ITT of his career. He then defended his jersey on Tourmelet being the strongest rider on the mountain. The only reason Jonas even got time was because team strategy allowed him to go up the road. Kuss's role was to wait for UAE to chase and then suck the wheel, that never happened, so he launched. He then defended his jersey on Angliru, chasing to protect time on what ended up being the 2nd fastest Vuelta summit. He had 1km of the entire Vuelta where he didn't look the strongest rider. That's it. He was in the lead after the hardest mountain in pro cycling. And the only person who can drop him in Linares is Remco, so the race for GC is over.
The champion is the one that has the fastest time at the end. Kuss did everything necessary so far for that to be him. And he did it with 2 fewer domestiques than any other team's GC contenders.
It was now or never…
Awesome vuelta Sepp..!!
Loved the knod (and the not-so-veiled dis to another:) to Chris Horner. Would be cool to mention Greg too. Thanks for posting.
Of note Sepp's father is Dolph Kuss who is a legend in the Durango area. He was Nordic ski coach for the U.S. Ski Team from 1963 through 1972, coached the US cross-country skiers at the 1964 Olympics and the American Nordic combined skiers at the 1972 Olympics. He is now in his 90's. Pretty much anyone involved in bike/ski/run/river sports in Durango knows Dolph. Now they know Sepp.
Lovely video, thanks for making this - FYI Gila in Tour of the Gila is pronounced "heel-uh." It's perhaps our biggest stage race these days :(
Thanks. No average domestique that's for sure! and it shows he does have a killer instinct! 😊 He's paid his dues & shown he could be a GC leader now in the right team all backing him... but which one? His stock is surely to rise.
@TheAcholi How many of those with 'higher ceilings' actually showed that this Vuelta? Anyway, there's more than 10 teams in the grand tours, and I'm getting tired of the same team leaders and expected winners. For Sepp it would be more of a mental adjustment to be top dog, but for greater interest in the sport, I'd love to see him give it a crack! 😅
@@TheAcholi Oh? Literally not a single rider, other than his own teammates, were able to crack him in the vuelta. In a field including the likes of Remco, Enric, and wunderkind Ayuso. And this was his 3rd grand tour this year!
I think either Jonas or Primoz could have won La Vuelta ahead of Sepp. But this was a superb way to say thanks for Sepp’s huge and vital help in other Grand Tours! Respect!
He won
Congratulations to Sepp Kuss 2023 Vuelta España champion!! Congratulations to TJV 1-2-3 in standings!
My only congrats in this race go to Sepp, as a team some teammates and directors their decisions have been disappointing and puzzling to say the least
@@dilligaf2818 well, at least they finally changed their mindset, Sepp really deserves this final grand tour!
Sepp Kuss is an amazing cyclist. I always believe in his abilities as a GC rider. He should stop being a domestique and go for his own achievements and aspirations so we could see his full potential while he is still prime.
That's awesome. Keep believing in his GC abilities, and who knows, maybe one day he'll even win one!
GC Kuss is clearly alive right now. As for other tours, though, now that he has more confidence it seems to depend mostly on his ITT skills. Unlike Remco, Jonas, Tadej and Roglič his body isn’t very well suited to TTs. He’s said in the past that this is one of the reasons he chose not to become a GC rider himself as trying to improve his TT skills was no fun. Will be interesting to see if that has also changed now he’s seen how this might be a decisive factor for what he wants to do next, given how he’s grown into the leader’s jersey in other respects these past two weeks.
If he takes haircut advice from Wout, there’s really no limit to how high the Eagle from Durango can fly.
Been to the Spanish Durango. Never quite made it to the Colorado one, well not yet 🤞🚴🏼
There is time still didnt realise there is a spanish one
@@thecyclingdane yeah it’s in that Vittoria/ Burgos/ Bilbao/Eibar, not so much triangle, more rhombus area! Of the Basque Region. Top side of the Urkiola Nacional Parc. It’s beautiful. I rode from Vittoria to the Orbea Factory. Never take a 2km gravel road shortcut on a road bike when you got road cleats on. It doesn’t end well 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Sepp kuss 🎉
Seeing all that Sepp has done for Primoz, and seeing promiz's attitude makes me hope Sepp never rides again for him
Agreed. Primoz is way too full of himself. His comments after his win the other day were disgusting after what Sep has done for him. It is a job, but be a human and have some humility.
That is bu11sh!t. Primož has been preparing for the Vuelta since May, i.e. since the Giro was finished, where he won. Kuss and Vingeggard did not prepare specifically for the Vuelta. Primož was the best prepared, certainly much better than the two. And if it were normal, if Remco hadn't kneeled down so infamously and if he would have continued to be a real competitor for the win, then Jonas and Primož would have shown their real cards and their strength. But then again, Primož was extremely strong, and could easily win.
Seppi is extremely likable and we all wish him victories, but in the real world he would never win a Grand Tour with Rogla, Vingo, Remco or Pogi alongside him.
If someone doesn't understand this, then the only thing that is clear is that they either know nothing about cycling or are turning a blind eye to bias.
Seems to have a stretchier neck than most as he seems to have the most upright head when on the drops of anyone else. In fact that's how I can usually spot him on TV.
Great (music is just a bit to loud)
My bad I will it change it for the next one
Glad his team didn't screw him over
Do a video about Chris Horner
Maybe 2024 will be The Year of the Sepp... with wins @ the Tour de France and the Giro. He's definitely proven he has the legs for it... time and time again.
Sepp the gift kuss
as if anyone owed him anything
Another great domestique is Kasper Asgreen!
Sepp Kuss the man from Durrango
But born in the flat lands of Indiana ?!?!?
For the current situation, I see the team's point. They have 3 guys who can win easily. Do Jonas and Primoz take three weeks easy and let Sepp win, simply because Sepp was the first of the three to get a gap?
No. He held his own in the TT, didnt crack even once-something almost unheard of and none of the other two rode 3 GTs this year. He is deserving winner.
Yeah, he’s shown he can win without having a Sepp Kuss to support him. I just wish people would stop saying
1) that he’s only in the lead cos he got lucky in a breakaway. Not true. TJV put half their team in that breakaway precisely to bump up Sepp’s GC position, and for him to win the stage;
2) that he was betrayed/stabbed in the back on the Angliru, cos that’s not what happened. As Remco predicted, what did happen was that TJV consolidated their podium sweep by almost tripling the time distance to no 4 in GC Ayuso. Sure there’ve been some conflicting interests for them to work through since the ITT especially, but TJV does this better than the rest of the WT teams. That’s one of the main reasons they’re so dominant.
@@rdklkje13 I wish people would also stop saying this is some gift. He did what people protecting a time lead do. He managed the gap. He did it in the ITT. He did it again on Tourmelet (and I think its objectively true he was the strongest rider in the race at that point). He then did it again on Angliru. He did what winners do. He got the times where it mattered.
Great piece! No rider should have to race his own team to keep his Jersey!
Being betrayed be your own teammates has to hurt inside. Even though Sepp seemed ok with it, mark my words he wasn't ok with it. He keep his mouth shut like a great team member.
Seeing Sepp getting stabbed in the back was hard to watch especially after everything he has done for both Prizmo and Jonas. Actually it made me sick to my stomach.
You still dont get it. Roglic and Vingegaard are driven racers, and there is a rivalry between the two, THEY ARE RACING AGAINST EACH OTHER. They both like to see Kuss win but they have a hard time seing the other captain in front. So they fight for the second place. Now pack it in.
@kasperhansen4472 Would've loved to have seen what would've happened with those 2 if Sepp wasn't there? Sepp actually bailed the team out with his probable win? Hard times coming for Jumbo..Too many ego's? Or is it 2 ego's?
@@Rughead12319 I think it was 2 egos myself. I didn't mind them going for the wins its how they did it! And then Jonas oh I did it for my daughter or I did it for my team member who had a crash no he did it for himself and then Prizmo saying I did it for Sepps birthday what a joke. Sure, his daughter had a birthday, and it was a bad deal for his teammate. But give me a break. They could have waited till 1k or less to go for it. They attacked Sepp to take his Jersey nothing but. And for Jonas to look back and see he and Prizmo where dropping Sepp because he called them on the radio to say ha guys ease up for Jonas to look back and pretty much say screw you pissed me off. Ya, it's 2 big egos wanting to be top dog and they are willing to 💩 on the man that gives them 100% every stage tells me what kind of men they really are. J.V. has a big problem on their hands and the whole world watched it.
Sepp isnt owed anything, he'd a domestique and he's paid well to do his job. He isn't deservi g if any gifts, certainly not a grand tour 😂
GC Kuss has now shown he can win without having a Sepp Kuss to support him. I just wish people would stop saying
1) that he’s only in the lead cos he got lucky in a breakaway. Not true. TJV put half their team in that breakaway precisely to bump up Sepp’s GC position, and for him to win the stage;
2) that he was betrayed/stabbed in the back on the Angliru, cos that’s not what happened. As Remco predicted, what did happen was that TJV consolidated their podium sweep by almost tripling the time distance to no 4 in GC Ayuso. Sure there’ve been some conflicting interests for them to work through since the ITT especially, but TJV does this better than the rest of the WT teams. That’s one of the main reasons they’re so dominant.
thecyclingdane: Superdomestique to Grandtour Winner?
reality: this is going to be the beginning of the downfall of Jumbo Visma, as internal conflict battles start . . . silently
There will be no such thing. But Roglic will indeed leave.
@@tonyg3091 accepted, anything but to bow down to a fkin domestique for doing his paid-for JOB
Not a bad thing. One team should not be dominant all the time. Predictable & boring...
@@gringo19860 Well it is up to the opposition to get better, not for TJV to get weaker I believe. On paper UAE should be just as strong yet here we are..
Way to go Sepp Kuss ❤🇺🇸🇺🇸
In my opinion he needs to find a team that will highlight him, work for HIM and make him the champion he TRULY is.
Good video, I honestly don't think the attack on Angliru was an attack on the leaders jersey, since the team wouldn't want that and Jonas commented afterwards that he didn't want to stab his teammate in the back. Altough it did look weird but I think it had more to do with Landa than Kuss since they came in together.
It was about consolidating the podium. They almost tripled the distance to Ayuso in 4th (went from 1:00 to 2:52). Helped by Soler and Almeida who really screwed over Ayuso, even more so than the rest of this tour. In the moment it was hard to tell if Sepp was going to crack for real. If not, he could probably have come back without Landa. If yes, Jonas and Primož both staying with him could’ve cost the team the victory in Madrid. Did Landa save him from fully cracking? Personally I don’t think so but the footage isn’t clear enough to be sure.
Go sepp kuss hope win tomorrow 👍👍👊👏🇺🇸🇺🇸
'allowed' to win
LOL no one wins against Remco tomorrow
Some of the jumbo tactics has been puzzling with their current leader Sepp ... As far as any fans go he better win !!!
everyone love Seppie
The people complaining of "gifts" ignore the fact that Sepp gifted the Tourmalet to Jonas. Sepp was strongest that day. The gradient, distance, and altitude all favored him. He let Jonas celebrate his daughters birthday instead of taking it for himself. This changed the dynamics of the rest of the race.
Thank you! I have seen several times over the years that Sepp held back to let his teammate get the glory. I think naysayers just only appreciate big egos with "killer instincts"
God for him winge was his wingeman since , winge could have won but thaths not hes natur, he wanted this for seep
As a Dane I wanted Jonas to win, but I am happy that they challenged Sepp Kuss for the victory up until Angliru. Even though I don’t think Jonas gave it all on Angliru. I still think Jonas is the strongest rider, but I’m not one of those guys who are angry that Sepp Kuss will win. He is a great guy. But having a Danish guy taking two grand tours in one year that would have been crazy.
And now it may never happen. Happy now?
Horner hates Jonas. I don’t know why. My guess is that Horner is just a bad person who does not rate talent and integrity at all.
Vi kan også tage den på dansk. Så kan du måske også nemmere forklare hvorfor du synes det er så fedt at jumbo forbyder Jonas at vinde sin anden Grand tour og cementere son position som en af de største klassementsryttere nogensinde. Altsammen fordi du synes Kuss er en hyggelig fyr.
@@dannyjensen2123Nej, det er fordi GC Kuss nu har vist at han fortjener at vinde pga det han har udført i denne Vuelta. Indtil Angliru var det mere at langt de fleste ryttere, fans og kommentatorer gerne ville se ham vinde pga hans rolle i alle de store runder som TJV har vundet. Men fordi holdet internt var enige om at de alle tre kunne blive ved med at køre for sejren, har han nu haft muligheden for at vise at han er stærk nok til at være den fortjente sejrherre her. Ja, Jonas lader til at være en smule stærkere i denne uge, men normalt ville han have kørt som domestique for ledertrøjen siden 11. etappe. Og så var det ikke sikkert at han var kommet på podiet, selvom han kører stærkt.
@@dannyjensen2123Chris Horner has no idea how TJV works. His analysis of the Angliru stage makes that very clear. As does most everything he says about TJV for that matter. Consolidating the podium sweep was the logical thing for them to do on that stage. So logical that it was precisely what Remco said he expected them to do beforehand. Yet Horner didn’t say a word about this, expecting them to risk both the podium and red (if Sepp had really cracked).
I love to see an American on the top step, it’s been too long.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Not that long.
Man, that top step seems to have been lowered towards the ground by quite a lot...
this time it's not a 'step' but a laid out red carpet.
Durango, not DuRRango!
Yeah realised after my mistake hahaha
Go to Bahrain victorious
Lets be real, he will be the first american to win the Vuelta. Chris Horners win doesnt count, when he was doped?
i love kuss but i think the last few stages he didnt deserve to keep the jersey
If he wins, [allowed to win] that will make both American Vuelta victories as being amongst the most controversial! Sepp and Horner!
Hee hee. I love you fans who think cycling isn't a team sport.
@@user-no5bg9gl2y it's a team sport, we know, we also know that a team leader is a team leader and a domestique should know his place
@@savagepro9060you make it sound like a slave and master relationship. It’s not
And the guy driving the fire truck always crosses the line first 🫣!
@@getur99 slave-master relationship it is, that's why it's called DOMESTIQUE
Watching Sepp DRAGGING Roglic up mountains in the Giro was an eye opener to his potential.. Kuss is deserving of the Volta title! He attacked when his teammates couldn’t because of Remco.. taking a huge time gap! So having his teammates attack him after he broke Remco was not a good look for Jonas And Roglic! Well done Sepp 👏👏👏!
But I see the teams point. They have 3 guys who can win easily. Do Jonas and Primoz take three weeks easy and let Sepp win, simply because Sepp was the first of the three to get a gap?
Sepp can’t win anything. He’s is getting the vuelta as a gift. And it is disgusting.
"...after he broke Remco..."
??????????
Remco literally dropped on the first proper climb of the day, less than an hour after the start of the stage, at a time where there were like 60 people in the lead peloton, HOURS before Kuss did anything on that stage.
I legit cannot even comprehend the sort of mental gymnastics it would take to reach the conclusion that Sepp somehow broke Remco.
Like I'm not even kidding, out of all the out-there theories I've heard americans invent to somehow claim that this isn't a complete gift, yours is literally the most insane of them all. I'm genuinly shocked, actually. Kuss broke Remco... Maaaaaaaan.
@@jmsytbe remco broke himself - must have messed up somehow to get dropped that early. Kuss did nothing.
@@dannyjensen2123 Maybe he used a Voodoo doll or something? Or maybe he snuck behind enemy lines and spiked his gel before the race?
Kuss breaking Remco, man, I still haven't recovered from that thermo-nuclear hot take. Incredible.
I wanna see Sepp on team UAE as soon as his contract is up.
He didn't really win. It's a present from Jumbo, Vinegaard and Roglic.
Sepp Kuss is a great climber and amazing domestique. That’s pretty much it though. Normally he wouldn’t be good enough to win a grand tour because he’s not a great time trialist. He got lucky in the Vuelta by gaining time in a breakaway because if a miscalculation by his rivals and he ended up hanging on because his teammates decided not to pass him at the end. Also Jonas could have gained more time on him if he wanted be he didn’t. On Angliru for example Jonas didn’t take a turn with Roglic. They would have gained much more time.
There is no one out there who has selflessly busted his ass up the mountains to help his team win a race more than Sepp Kuss. Fully deserved Vuelta win. Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
" . . . selflessly busted his ass up the mountains to help his team win a race . . . "
@@savagepro9060 They should have taken it long before stage 17 then but somehow couldn’t. Especially in the TT. And then when it comes to the final stages, sorry, you HAVE to respect the jersey.
Do you apply this philosophy outside of cycling as well? Like, I assume you work for 7-11 or something. Do you think they're somehow indebted to you, beyond paying you the salary you agreed upon? If so, how do you plan to collect what they owe you?
@@jmsytbe also, do you pay the fireman for extinguishing the fire on your burning home? that's his fkin job, however you may praise him
@@jmsytbe Obviously you have no working experience as if you had you would know how it feels when someone takes all the credit for your hard work. Also consider this-without Sepp amd the other JV would have ZERO chances against The Pog. As in…zero. So please cut all that crap about who is being paid for what.
Weird to see someone so powerful and so humble. Likeable guy, despite nationality, just like Pogacar.
There are some other nice Americans, too. Shocking!
Interesting old footage.
But one team dominating a tour like this is boring.
let's not get ahead of ourselves. Without the 3 minute head start gained in the 40 man breakaway, there's 0 chance he wins the Vuelta. He might finish on the podium but more likely he will just relax on the TT and end up somewhere in the top10.
Broh legit are you coming from the past
Thabl you for pitying this video combining all his countless contribution to JV. And proving he is not gifted anything but got it by incredible hard work.
Now after doing this video, you should highlight the pletora of other domestiques throughout the years, all who were way more accomplished than Kuss and prevailed through even worse competition, compared to Kuss' competition being his own teamates. Speak and advocate for the Grand Tour they should've been gifted. The idea of Kuss riding well for his leaders so they owe him ? nothing more selfish, that's his duty. theirs is to win. If he wants to rival them, leave just as all the former domestique turn leaders did. Keep in mind, most who did this still failed to win. Kuss is FAR behind and has alot more to accomplish before he should be "owed" anything more than a salary/stage win by any team.
....looks like JV is letting him win...as of today just 17 seconds between them. We all know how powerful JV is ...Sepp needs to prove himself and his leadership today in the mountains..winner fixing would be disgusting . As of today JV should be the winner
It only looks that way to non-cyclists. Fans know it is a team sport. Jumbo wins. If Sepp had not gifted the Tourmalet to Jonas he would have a bigger gap and the dynamics of the rest of the stages would be different.
Sepp Kuss winning is like Quota hiring in a nutshell. The strongest rider did not win, Jonas and Roglic gifted the win to Sepp.
I hope that he finds a team that will appreciate all his work and sacrifice . Roglic really showed what sort of snake he is on the Angliru .youre better off out of there Sepp .
ameri-CAN!
how is he a grand tour winner if jonas could drop him and everybody knows it including sepp?
Agreed. He’s a really good super domestique, but let’s face it, either Vingegaard or Roglic could take this Vuelta (which he’s currently leading by only seconds) away from him on just about any climb.
You don’t think there have been stages where Sepp was riding strong and could have ridden away from JV or PR when he was leading them up mountains in other races?? Does that mean those guys didn’t deserve their jerseys?
Cycling is a team sport these takes are so ridiculous
They ride for the same team so they are not competitors ? Or are you saying that when one team, with three riders, is so far ahead of GC competitors from other teams, there should be infighting in the leading team then ? That would certainly make a great team atmosphere.
@@gankusankus1572, yes, it’s team sport, but not all team members are alike, and the record books don’t credit domestiques (no matter how good they are) with Tour wins…and teams certainly don’t pay their riders equally. I like Sepp, and he’s an above average rider, but he’s NOT capable of winning a grand tour, he’s just not. He’s going to “win” the Vuelta, but honestly, Roglic and Vingegaard have let him. Would you want to win a race knowing you weren’t the best rider? You probably would.
I think the broo-ha-ha at the Vuelta was a good lesson and ego check for Jonas and Primos, though a bit harder for Primos to accept. It’s as if they have lost appreciation for the massive efforts and selflessness of their team to deliver their GC riders to Victory. Sepp may never be in this position again but hopefully it is a reminder to the team stars that this is a team sport after all and that they can sincerely be happy for Sepp assuming that he goes on to win the Vuelta.
We'll see what happens when those 2 ride together without Sepp? One of those ego's is gonna be smacked hard!!
Doesn't really seem THAT incredible to be honest. He's an excellent climber, who chose the way of a career domestique out of preference (while being extremely well paid for it), and now finds himself about to be gifted a Vuelta trophy by his buddies. I like the guy, but that's about it. Not exactly a Roglic Ski Jumper fairy tale as far as that goes, is it?
I fear the biggest legacy of his career will be proving that Twitter outrage mobs can decide GT winners at will, as long as they shout loudly enough.
Nothing but facts spoken. People need to respect heirarchies of power. If Vin/Roglic was incapable, it would've been completely understandable. But they're forced to pass this opportunity. Imagine telling your 2x TDF Champion, 3x Vuelta 1x Giro Champion,"Hey, sit up, protect/wait for Kuss, he deserves this more than you guys do". Roglic who would've tied an all time record, Vin would've 1 upped Tadej with GC wins, both statements being so much more grand than saying "I rode for my leaders so they gave me a vuelta". Shameful on behalf of their sponsors and an insult to the testament of their leaders who sacrified and displayed alot more than Kuss can ever dream to at his age.
@@joshtylordasilva1183 Vingegaard, at least in public, seems to be OK with Kuss getting it, but then again he's also 26 and will probably get other chances (though you never know, just ask Bernal...). Roglic... He seems pissed, and I don't blame him. He's 33, and being asked to act as a domestique when he has a shot to tie Heras' Vuelta wins. And not only that, his management bait-and-switched him by saying they could ride to see who was strongest, only to instantly change their minds and backtrack because Twitter got mad at them. If I'm Roglic, I'm telling my agent to go have a chat with Ineos, Bahrain and Lidl-Trek...
What annoys me the most is that the people shrieking don't even seem to have appreciation for just how much Jonas and Primoz are being asked to give up. And instead of giving them any credit for doing so when the team told them, all they get is hatred and ingratitude from the Chris Horner viewing mob.
@@jmsytbe Exactly! I think Vin as well as Roglic's response is to preserve their image since it's obvious they're being hated and bashed for what should've been a normal approach to the situation. But, there are rumors of roglic leaving, hopefully it is true, it'd add more dynamic to GC fights and make these sort of situations less probable.
@@joshtylordasilva1183And also people need to respect the jersey
@@joshtylordasilva1183 I hope he does leave. I don't like TJV stacking this much talent anyways. Makes the sport more boring. And this whole mess only started because TJV were so dominant that they ended up in a position to pick and chose who gets to win.
It’s gonna suck for him when he looks back at that win and realizes he was given a win because weak soft people cried enough for him to be given a win. I wouldn’t take pride in it if I was him
How many times have you seen domestiques slow down and return for their GC riders when they have been in trouble and could have won a stage themselves……Sepp wasn’t given anything…..he earned it.
@@tomlee6005 In Sepp's case: Maybe twice? Off the top of my head. Of course what you're describing here is what we in the 'biz refer to as "literally doing the exact job you're paid handsomly to do, as per the terms of the contract you signed.". Sorry for the advanced business lingo there!
@@jmsytbe All of their jobs are to get someone with their team jersey into the leaders spot and keep him there. That's it. One question for you, and the few others here who keep making the same stupid argument. "Is cycling a team sport". If you say no, then we have nothing more to talk about, because you are watching a different event than the rest of us. If you say yes, then there is follow up questioning: "Does Messi tackle his team mate, steal the ball from him, so that he can put the ball in the goal himself?", "Does Lebron James stuff his team mate while he goes up for a shot, take the ball, and dunk it himself?". Of course not. You know why? Because it's a team sport!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's crying now? BWAAA..Loser
@@user-no5bg9gl2y It's a hybrid sport, not comparable to solo sports like tennis, but also not comparable with true team sports like football. It's a team sport with individual winners, where management sets the team up the maxmize the potential of the strongest individual riders, ie. the captains. To that end, team members are hired specifically for their ability to assist their stronger and more talented captains, and maximize their chances of personal victory. These are called "domestiques".
Strong teams are very important - but if you go through the winners of the Tour de France, you'll have a much, MUCH easier time finding riders who won the GC because they were the strongest, but didn't have the strongest team (example: Pogacars first TdF win - his team was borderline irrelevant), than you will finding examples of GC winners who were clearly weaker, but did have stronger teams to compensate (example: uhhhhh, Oscar Pereiro Sio? Most examples here are gonna be pretty flukey).
So that's the factually correct answer. A hybrid team sport with individual winners, where the strength of the individual has vastly greater potential to influence the result on his own compared to even the biggest stars from a pure and true team sport like football.
He does not deserve to win the vuelta. Jonas and primoz should leave jumbo. Then we will se what sepp can do. I would expect nothing.
Good, read my comment
Yes! Please let JV leave and let’s see how he fares against Pogacar in Bahrain or Movistar 😂😂😂
Big fan of Sepp Kuss, just not the team....He needs to leave TJV after 2024 and go to another team
Nah he wont leave..
I hope he does. That would make TJV's decision to allow Twitter to gift him the trophy look even funnier than it already does.
Would you still feel that way if Primoz left first?
@@thart6103 Read today Primoz to Movistar...He is still under contract with TJV....But he wants to compete in TDF next year and wants to be a leader and with Jonas there that is not happening....Wouldn't matter if Primoz left first....Sepp should be done being a domestique and be a leader on another team
@@scottmcmillan1813 I said months ago that Primoz would be better suited at Ineos. They have the domestiques and the money. Plus they need someone who can win TdF. I listened to Johan Bruyneel break down how much it would cost for that contract to be broken. Ineos has that kind of money. Anyway, are you enjoying this Vuelta?
Enjoy your pyrrhic victory, Sepp. You know you don't deserve it ! With your crown came nothing ! The 2 best GT riders in the world losing on purpose for you. Taking a dive is matchfixing ! It will taint the sport for a long time, just like doping does ! It's all on your head, you could have let JV and PR race it out but you chose to steal what is not yours !
Ahaha please stop with that nonsense. The two best GT riders in the world are JV and Tadej.
You are dead wrong. This, my friend, is worse than fkin DOPING!
That Kuss was betrayed is such nonsense. You have two GC riders next to him that are stronger than him and are champions at heart. Both need to restrain themselfs in order to let another rider win. Of course this is difficult for them to do so...
Pitiful haters in this thread. If you don't understand or like the results of team sports stick with tennis or track and field.
Such grand rhetorical skill. I can understand how you and your kind are so effective when it comes to shouting obscenities on Twitter. No wonder TJV management bowed to your might. Grats on the Vuelta win, first ever cycling trophy won by an amorphous semi-sentient Twitter mob, as opposed to a bike rider. Historical stuff.
Not on twitter and not shouting obscenities. It's so pitiful when keyboard trolls, like yourself, lie and obfuscate to try and validate their ignorant, myopic opinions. Your lack of knowledge of professional team cycling is signaled by your sophomoric cynicism of any team or rider you know nothing about. I am sure you have no clue of the difference between XCO and XCC racing.
Look at every frame, you also see his skinniness and eating disorder, prevalent in most pro cyclists, progress…….sad