well since i have both of you here the weapon management got me thinking about magy and the poison thing and why not having magy not being poisonous but rather it rub its osteoderm on some trees and its the sap that does the poisoning so magy then shoulder bash things that are its size and slightly larger but can still get eaten by bigger or more competent hunter and get punish if you don't maintain your toxic coat
A sparring-like mechanic for Kentro where it aims its spikes towards predators like a porcupine would be cool but I think it would make the Kentro almost unkillable for all small and mid tier carnivores. Balancing a living bear trap is very difficult, however just like the porcupine comparison earlier, using existing animals as inspiration would be invaluable. I’d propose using the idea of Kentro needing to maintain its spikes and take it to the next level by allowing them to use their immensely powerful spikes for defense, at the cost of wearing them down. After too much sustained use without maintenance they become fragile and you run the risk of breaking them which could take several hours to heal and lower your overall defense and offense. On the opposite side, people who take great care of their spikes and maintain a good diet would enjoy larger and stronger spikes that don’t break so easy and deal normal or higher damage depending on how well you take care of them
Lots of amazing ideas here! I’d like to add another one, what if when in its power swing stance, it has resistance to stunning attacks. Attacks that would knock it down would simply stun it, and those that would stun it would do nothing. Stego could have this too
I like it, it’s very fitting seeing as how their stances would keep them in place, similar to a fighting stance in people. Hold your ground sort of thing.
I like the sharpening spikes idea to improve defence and bleed, I’m pretty sure carno sharpened its horns in its concept art and both Baryonyx and deinocheirus sharpened their claws in their concept art, Maybe if added ingame this could increase damage and or bleed of those attacks (carno charge, bary claw attack etc)
I’d definitely like the spikey boi using its whole body as a deterrent, much like a porcupine. I’d think it be cool especially if you have to manage your spikes. I think herbi gameplay does need these kinda things to stay invested in the animal. Especially with the heavy carnivore bias that we all know exist
I disagree with the weapon management idea. Though I find the idea of temporarily boosting them like sharpening horns or claws interesting. As that would require planning and strategy. But I don’t think a kentro’s spikes should fall off. That would almost be like an anky shedding its osteoderms. Deer antlers are weird in that they shed are basically the exception. Few animals shed their headgear. Personally, I think kentro spikes should act as good deterrence against pouncing.
The KINGfisher has returned Also imo the tail spikes of kentro (and stego) should be breakable so that opponents can disarm them slightly. Maybe each tail spike has a certain amount of health and breaking them decreases the kentro/stegos damage. This would add a lot of mindgaming to kentro pvp
Something I'd like to note, a more recent book by Darren Naish supports Kentros side spike being on the hip, so I wouldn't say outdated just yet but definitely in debate (also that was a funny fnaf reference you made 😆)
i think the weapon management idea is great! as long as it doesn't completely stop Kentros ability to attack.. i feel that if a kentro loses one of its spikes it still should be able to perform the same attack, js with less dmg and bleed buhh with a increase in knockback to balance things out!
Man, spitting one perfect line after the other. "Stupid virgin Albertosaurus" "Chad Minmi "doing what Pachys do and attacking a creature for no fucking reason"
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey I don’t get how that shot is bad?Its. Oversized kentro literally spiking a spino in the FACE and it fell over when it was on all fours and up a hill
@Thatonedude12T I mean: - JP Spinosaurus' anatomy makes quad stance anatomically impossible, it's too large for its arms to support like that - it's an actually absurd scene literally only there to appeal to the "tiny but mighty" trope which is actually fucking ridiculous for Animal VS Animal in most scenarios - a Spinosaurus wouldn't just flop like that, there's like zero resistance there. Awful scene 0/10 - just use Stegosaurus and all the problems fade away LOOOOOL (besides the spino damn near getting airtime when it falls)
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey 1.It also has its legs it’s not fully supported just by its arms 2.Buddy it was literally spiked in the face and you expect it not to hurt.It is literally a porcupine . 3.Getting knocked off balance and the fact it was in the face a sensitive area.Lets say you are on all fours on a slanted surface and we take 3-4 knives and slash you in the face would you fall over? 4.Stego would be eh and the spino fell into a stream that’s not as high as the slope so it’s obviously getting air time
there is a MASSIVE difference between "viability" and power scaling. viability is simply whether or not a playable is able to survive in an environment with the rest of the roster, assuming it is played correctly. All playables are meant to be viable. thats a requirement, not a spectrum for things to be arrayed on. somehing is either capable of surviving, or it isnt. when people talk about "tiers" they are trying to convey not just size, but which animals are capable of facing each other in a confrontation. these are two completely different discussions, as being good in combat has never been a requirement for viability in a survival game, and people really need to stop conflating the two. ...so no. using the same terminology to talk about both is NOT a good thing.
"Erm, actually, it has a tail with spikes on it, so clearly it will just be an exact clone of Stego" - most intelligent Isle player, the reason shampoo bottles come with instructions, brain probably looks like the surface of a beach ball.
Regarding the proposed “maintenance system”, it would make sense maintaining a good would reduce how often you must “repair” your dinosaur’s natural weapons. Overall though, I really like that idea - as it would also work for other types of natural weapons - and, given the fact that claw sharpening features prominently in the concept art for at least bary and cherri, I suspect the devs are already thinking along similar lines.
6:59 I've never seen a video in this genre of videos (ya know, videos of people talking about a dinosaur while various clips of it play in the background) where the youtuber actually acknowledges one of the clips and makes a joke out of it XD
With pots kentro tlc around the corner I hope they also give it some sort of unique playstyle like the isles instead of just running and stalking bleed
the idea about sharpening your tools should be for most dinosaurus wether it be spikes horns claws and maybe even teeth for teaming up with pteras to clean its teeth
I like your mechanical ideas for the kentro I have an idea for a Dino to compliment the elder system. A tick bird for parasite removal. My idea is a micro raptor (or another small flyer/glider) that feeds by finding other adult dinos and picks them clean of parasites. This creates a new playstyle omnivore. Encourages a new Dino interaction. It can give a limited time buff for an sub adult or adult Dino. And can be a reqirement for a Dino to achieve elder stage, by them needing to be picked clean of parasites once. I'd make the tick bird Dino on the diet of every juvinal carnivore but not on Aly adult diet. Once a Dino has been cleaned of ticks. They can have a glow I scent that they won't need to be cleaned of parasites for at least an hour or 2. So that makes the tick bird move on to find other adult dinos to try and clean. And of course risk getting eaten.
@@therealkingfisher. oh okay i agree they do seem OP … hey i have an idea, why not you make a video about how you can make strains better ( balance wise ) or better yet, making up your own ( well balanced ) strains? Maybe we could even have some art ? For fun 😅
I would love to play this game if it could work and look good on my PC. Instead it crashes if I do anything like opening my settings and changing ONE thing
I think maintenance should be supplementary for all creatures that have it, full stop. It should remain an option for downtime, not an obligation. Following your own suggestion, I must now declare you a poopyhead. Sorry. :/
maybe for carno that is has more charges that dont recharge till you sharpen your horns on a tree liek 5 charges with a 10 second cooldown but they dont charge back if you use them instead you use all 5 then sharpen to get them back this allows something to escape ig kinda i hope and yes another carno nerf
Am I the only one who thinks Tenonto is way to Overtuned for combat? I've seen an alarming number of creatures get the toyko drift hip swing into kick tail combo to oblivion
Idk the whole proposal with diet having an impact on your damage is kinda bs imho. Like... Wyd if you aren't fighting? The game's boring af, even more so if you spend your time searching for some rock ot tree to sharpen your protrusions
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well since i have both of you here the weapon management got me thinking about magy and the poison thing and why not having magy not being poisonous but rather it rub its osteoderm on some trees and its the sap that does the poisoning so magy then shoulder bash things that are its size and slightly larger but can still get eaten by bigger or more competent hunter and get punish if you don't maintain your toxic coat
It was discovered in Africa, not Britain.
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I hear that ceratopsian will have the ability to sharpen there horns on trees to get a attack boost so managing spike is not too far out there
I’ve heard similar things, partly where the idea stems from.
I think Baryonyx has something similar, like sharpening it’s claws.
4:18 That "Bite of 87" joke had me on the floor
A sparring-like mechanic for Kentro where it aims its spikes towards predators like a porcupine would be cool but I think it would make the Kentro almost unkillable for all small and mid tier carnivores. Balancing a living bear trap is very difficult, however just like the porcupine comparison earlier, using existing animals as inspiration would be invaluable.
I’d propose using the idea of Kentro needing to maintain its spikes and take it to the next level by allowing them to use their immensely powerful spikes for defense, at the cost of wearing them down. After too much sustained use without maintenance they become fragile and you run the risk of breaking them which could take several hours to heal and lower your overall defense and offense. On the opposite side, people who take great care of their spikes and maintain a good diet would enjoy larger and stronger spikes that don’t break so easy and deal normal or higher damage depending on how well you take care of them
7:16 That's an old weight estimate, Spino now weighs 6 tons, but still XD
Pretty sure the highest figures nowadays put Spino at 7.5 to 8 tonnes, so it's not necessarily wrong.
Lots of amazing ideas here! I’d like to add another one, what if when in its power swing stance, it has resistance to stunning attacks. Attacks that would knock it down would simply stun it, and those that would stun it would do nothing. Stego could have this too
I like it, it’s very fitting seeing as how their stances would keep them in place, similar to a fighting stance in people. Hold your ground sort of thing.
@@therealkingfisher. Exactly, tbh I think it’s stegos answer to Rexes head slam, and kentro to carnos charge
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I like the sharpening spikes idea to improve defence and bleed,
I’m pretty sure carno sharpened its horns in its concept art and both Baryonyx and deinocheirus sharpened their claws in their concept art,
Maybe if added ingame this could increase damage and or bleed of those attacks (carno charge, bary claw attack etc)
I’d definitely like the spikey boi using its whole body as a deterrent, much like a porcupine. I’d think it be cool especially if you have to manage your spikes. I think herbi gameplay does need these kinda things to stay invested in the animal. Especially with the heavy carnivore bias that we all know exist
Kentro, the make it or break it dino. I await for this esteemed gentleman's arrival
I disagree with the weapon management idea. Though I find the idea of temporarily boosting them like sharpening horns or claws interesting. As that would require planning and strategy. But I don’t think a kentro’s spikes should fall off. That would almost be like an anky shedding its osteoderms. Deer antlers are weird in that they shed are basically the exception. Few animals shed their headgear.
Personally, I think kentro spikes should act as good deterrence against pouncing.
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Also imo the tail spikes of kentro (and stego) should be breakable so that opponents can disarm them slightly. Maybe each tail spike has a certain amount of health and breaking them decreases the kentro/stegos damage. This would add a lot of mindgaming to kentro pvp
Something I'd like to note, a more recent book by Darren Naish supports Kentros side spike being on the hip, so I wouldn't say outdated just yet but definitely in debate (also that was a funny fnaf reference you made 😆)
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i think the weapon management idea is great! as long as it doesn't completely stop Kentros ability to attack..
i feel that if a kentro loses one of its spikes it still should be able to perform the same attack, js with less dmg and bleed buhh with a increase in knockback to balance things out!
Yeah, pretty much! Of course it would still be able to swing and perform attacks, but it wouldn’t be nearly as devastating.
an other wonderfull video mr fisher. now to go religiously rewatch the anky video once more
Thank you sir, always appreciated
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Man, spitting one perfect line after the other. "Stupid virgin Albertosaurus" "Chad Minmi "doing what Pachys do and attacking a creature for no fucking reason"
I love the random ass bits like the gnome and the Camp cratacous spino sean! Lmao keep that stuff in your videos
7:14 tbf spino was 7 tons and kentro was like half a ton but who wouldn’t fall after getting spiked in the face😅
I read lots of conflicting info so I used a very liberal estimate 😅
7.8 tonnes is the most precise estimate I could find
Regardless JWCC s4 and 5 is still awful and that shot doesn't help it's case
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey I don’t get how that shot is bad?Its. Oversized kentro literally spiking a spino in the FACE and it fell over when it was on all fours and up a hill
@Thatonedude12T I mean:
- JP Spinosaurus' anatomy makes quad stance anatomically impossible, it's too large for its arms to support like that
- it's an actually absurd scene literally only there to appeal to the "tiny but mighty" trope which is actually fucking ridiculous for Animal VS Animal in most scenarios
- a Spinosaurus wouldn't just flop like that, there's like zero resistance there. Awful scene 0/10
- just use Stegosaurus and all the problems fade away LOOOOOL (besides the spino damn near getting airtime when it falls)
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey 1.It also has its legs it’s not fully supported just by its arms
2.Buddy it was literally spiked in the face and you expect it not to hurt.It is literally a porcupine .
3.Getting knocked off balance and the fact it was in the face a sensitive area.Lets say you are on all fours on a slanted surface and we take 3-4 knives and slash you in the face would you fall over?
4.Stego would be eh and the spino fell into a stream that’s not as high as the slope so it’s obviously getting air time
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mid tier is a good way to describe their viability too
there is a MASSIVE difference between "viability" and power scaling.
viability is simply whether or not a playable is able to survive in an environment with the rest of the roster, assuming it is played correctly.
All playables are meant to be viable. thats a requirement, not a spectrum for things to be arrayed on. somehing is either capable of surviving, or it isnt.
when people talk about "tiers" they are trying to convey not just size, but which animals are capable of facing each other in a confrontation.
these are two completely different discussions, as being good in combat has never been a requirement for viability in a survival game, and people really need to stop conflating the two.
...so no. using the same terminology to talk about both is NOT a good thing.
@@peasantkyr it was a joke..
@@vraptork181 ah, gotcha.
with the amount of absolutely garbage tier takes in this community, it's hard to tell.
This is one of my favorite videos. Good topic, Great memes, Great concepts and suggestions. Oh yeah, and also MINMI
These are def my favorite style of kingfisher vids
The ones that take the longest to make 😭
"Erm, actually, it has a tail with spikes on it, so clearly it will just be an exact clone of Stego" - most intelligent Isle player, the reason shampoo bottles come with instructions, brain probably looks like the surface of a beach ball.
Another quality video, and I see now what you mean with the editing! Very nice
Great video, always look forward to a Kingfisher post!
Regarding the proposed “maintenance system”, it would make sense maintaining a good would reduce how often you must “repair” your dinosaur’s natural weapons.
Overall though, I really like that idea - as it would also work for other types of natural weapons - and, given the fact that claw sharpening features prominently in the concept art for at least bary and cherri, I suspect the devs are already thinking along similar lines.
6:59 I've never seen a video in this genre of videos (ya know, videos of people talking about a dinosaur while various clips of it play in the background) where the youtuber actually acknowledges one of the clips and makes a joke out of it XD
Breaking new ground here lol
@@therealkingfisher. Keep up the good work
I look forward to when this Dino is added in the next 6-10 years
Naw 15 at least
The video was really fun I wish it was longer Finally, I saw someone talking about this dinosaur👏
Hey dude, awesome video
Keep up the good work
With pots kentro tlc around the corner I hope they also give it some sort of unique playstyle like the isles instead of just running and stalking bleed
the idea about sharpening your tools should be for most dinosaurus wether it be spikes horns claws and maybe even teeth for teaming up with pteras to clean its teeth
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I can't wait fir kentro just thinking of playing it makes me go 😩
Do official servers keep any records of what causes player deaths? Would be interesting data to see how different matchups are doing
All my homies are most excited for Baryonyx. If you ain't finna main Baryonyx you a op
I like your mechanical ideas for the kentro
I have an idea for a Dino to compliment the elder system. A tick bird for parasite removal.
My idea is a micro raptor (or another small flyer/glider) that feeds by finding other adult dinos and picks them clean of parasites. This creates a new playstyle omnivore. Encourages a new Dino interaction. It can give a limited time buff for an sub adult or adult Dino. And can be a reqirement for a Dino to achieve elder stage, by them needing to be picked clean of parasites once.
I'd make the tick bird Dino on the diet of every juvinal carnivore but not on Aly adult diet.
Once a Dino has been cleaned of ticks. They can have a glow I scent that they won't need to be cleaned of parasites for at least an hour or 2. So that makes the tick bird move on to find other adult dinos to try and clean. And of course risk getting eaten.
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I think the devs want us to play mostly mid tiers as a way to control the amount of apexes
Not a problem for me, I love mid tiers
Fine by me, I love mid tiers
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5:29 can we get a video on this conversation?
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I love your videos.
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Hey dude, i have a question? What are your opinions about the isles strains ?
Just asking cuz im curious, since im kinda new 😅
I personally don’t like them, I think they’re a cool concept but a horrible idea balance-wise.
@@therealkingfisher. oh okay i agree they do seem OP … hey i have an idea, why not you make a video about how you can make strains better ( balance wise ) or better yet, making up your own ( well balanced ) strains? Maybe we could even have some art ?
For fun 😅
@@therealkingfisher. yea seem reasonable, hey how do you feel about the idea of making your own strains?
For fun 😅
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Kentro is so cute my fav. spikeness evergreen 😻💋
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I would love to play this game if it could work and look good on my PC. Instead it crashes if I do anything like opening my settings and changing ONE thing
I think maintenance should be supplementary for all creatures that have it, full stop. It should remain an option for downtime, not an obligation.
Following your own suggestion, I must now declare you a poopyhead. Sorry. :/
Kentro and mono will complete me
i dont disagree, great video poopiehead
The intro insulted me. My beloved Alberto
Am I the only person who enjoys Alberto in this cruel world?
maybe for carno that is has more charges that dont recharge till you sharpen your horns on a tree liek 5 charges with a 10 second cooldown but they dont charge back if you use them instead you use all 5 then sharpen to get them back this allows something to escape ig kinda i hope
and yes another carno nerf
for theri this could be sharpening their claws and by that doing more damage or unlocking a special attack mutation.
ps also for carno maybe the more worn out the horns are the less chance you have to knock over shi always stun tho
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why everyone hates alberto hes goat
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this is not a omni this is rugops
You slow?
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Am I the only one who thinks Tenonto is way to Overtuned for combat? I've seen an alarming number of creatures get the toyko drift hip swing into kick tail combo to oblivion
Wait this is in the game?
Nope, it's a speculation video
Yeah it's already in game you can play it right now
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Bro deino take 6 hours with full diet
well spinosaurus isnt valid so kentro still wins
I am deeply offended by your comment about my smooth brain. You earned yourself a dislike buddy >:(
Meh.
Baryonyx and titanoboa 😊 devs need to wake up.
Idk the whole proposal with diet having an impact on your damage is kinda bs imho. Like... Wyd if you aren't fighting? The game's boring af, even more so if you spend your time searching for some rock ot tree to sharpen your protrusions
Then the game isn’t for you? Or herbivore isn’t for you? If you want to fight, go play carnivore lol
After 280 hours, I uninstalled the game after watching dondi shit on the whole community in a video. Can’t support it anymore honestly.