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Wait, so we go to the link, input our phone number, and we get added to a giveaway that happens on June 15th @ 3PM Pacific? Or is there something else we have to do or someplace we have to be? The wording feels like two separate things
Prof, I hope you see this. You matter inside of the MTG world and outside of it as well. The sincerity in your tone is a rare gem in the RUclips space, and we can hear your love for the game simultaneously conflicting with your disdain for malpractices. Please don’t ever quit Magic. We need you, and I’m very, very serious. All our love.
I was just existing today and thought, “Huh, if I’m still deciding on which precon to get, maybe prof’s video on the precon overview will help. And what do you know, he came out with one an hour ago. Handy dandy Prof, keep doing your amazing work so aren’t lost❤.
I have the collectors sets coming to me, as i bought them for my people. I can send them to you to open and review if you promise to send them back 👉🏽👈🏽
I adore that some of the music in the background is the same music you'd hear playing while watching a job safety video in a temp agency that was filmed in the early 90s.
I really dig the way the Prof considers price as part of the rating, as well as displaying his frustrations with how Wizards is throwing their hands up. Great review, great service to the community.
To be fair though, he himself contributes to their giving up by spreading the secondary market price information in easily digestible form. Any pre-con or other product that comes recommended as having good value is snatched off the shelves before it can even get there, and every weak product gets bad ratings and basically becomes unsellable. I'm not a fan of generally losing the MSRP, but with the precons, I get it. WotC probalby thought, if there's no way to win this game, why bother to play?
I just started playing seriously about a year ago and I am already so exhausted by these prices. I think I have bought a total of 2 or 3 packs and have exclusively bought singles, largely because I found your videos first! Thank you for being honest and sticking to your guns no matter what
Don't be afraid to draft! I've had plenty of fun playing a full day for $25 commander drafts for the sets since I started 2 years ago. You might need to establish draft rules like we did if you are an EDH player like me who isn't as interested in standard (I still went to a couple prerelease events though)
Just started a few months ago. Bought 2 bundles and a commander pre con. I feel like that's all I really need. Still buy packs here and there just for the fun of opening packs but I do that not really expecting much 😅
Started playing a few months ago. Bought Velociramptor because I found it for $45 bucks on sale, bought the $40 Quick Draw, $50 Riders of Rohan and $20 modern LOTR dual decks. Otherwise than that just singles to build any other decks. Spending a ton of pre cons doesn’t seem to be the way to go
My favorite thing is how they JUST made a deal about how in thunder junction we’d get cool commander art, and then for this set, you have to pay double the price for the cool commander art
honestly it's what I thought last year when CMM precons were released and didn't buy any, thinking they would go down, almost one year later it still hasn't and on the contrary they only went up ; so this time I didn't make the mistake, ordered the 4 as a bundle, even considering getting more Tricky Terrains ones as they have so many staples
Your LGS isn't going to buy more Eldrazi decks because they're only allowed to buy the decks in sets of 4 and they'd never be able to sell any more copies of the energy and graveyard decks when they already have 8-10 copies that aren't moving.
in this case “fomo” is not a good example, once the eldrazi is sold out you will not be able to get your hands on it & if you do it will run you over 200 easy. research first brother.
The decks were originally intended for a 69,99$ price tag, as that is what they were sold under for the first few minutes after they became available on amazon.
Yup, Amazon had them at preorder for $70 each (still insane), then the leaks happened and shifted the prices all over. The simic deck is the only one to have maintained the WotC MSRP. 😂😂
@@kozad86 That actually went absolutely through the roof here in Germany after Graveyard Overdrive was previewed and concluded the spoilers. Sank down to 37€ at one point, then after it became clear that it would contain the best cards, if climbed up to 89€ on cardmarket.
The really fun kick in the teeth is if you get the collectors edition of the eldrazi deck, though advertised as having extended border cards, none of the new eldrazi will be extended border. (The other will have the extension.)
@@Deebofreebo Yup, and throw a bunch of new powerful Eldrza chase cards in MH3 to suck the money out of people who want to power up their new precon. It's pathetic really.
I've very recently gotten back into MTG. And, you are one of the first channels I got into. With all due respect, this video helped me NOT worry anymore that you are a shill for the company. Your honesty is very admirable, and thank you for that.
Y’know, when the Eldrazi deck was announced, I just kinda grabbed it immediately without a thought. I am *incredibly* glad I did so early, god the price really has skyrocketed.
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Prof, thank you so much for your consistent advocacy for Magic players and not being afraid to call out Wizards on their price gouging and (sometimes!) poor deck construction. Hearing you speak about this matters a lot.
Genuinely surprised to see Graveyard Overdrive fare so badly, since my friend has been watching a bunch of gameplay videos of the decks to inform his decision and he's positively livid about how broken the goyfs seem to be. I suppose the best way to know for sure is to pick it up for myself, but only after it drops to 25 bucks or so.
I agree with your friend. I've watched a bunch of game play with the 4 precons and it seems to perform the best out of the box or upgraded. Both the simic deck and the energy deck have seemed to do little to nothing during game play that I've watched.
@johnsnow3938 My friend played the simic deck after we got back from the store, and since we don't run land destruction in our pod, we expected him to sweep the game quickly. Instead he sat around with 20-30 mana, a full hand, and a handful of creatures until he finally played a nonbasic land tutor to get darkest depths, get the 20/20, got it removed after one knockout, and sat around until he played a Mill 2 X (X=43) to knock the last player out.
@@synckar6380 that sounds about right. The deck can produce a ton of mana but has nothing to put it into. Would like to see it built with more X spells
@@johnsnow3938 I think adding things like Maze's End and Aven Courier would've helped the simic deck quite a bit without making it broken. With ways to tutor up Maze's end it actually becomes quite strong, and getting those 10 gates is pretty achievable, especially if you do have Aven Courier effectively acting as a second commander. Also adding more gates, especially Baldur's seems like an obvious decision. But yeah, on its own the Simic deck is lacking a clear win con imo
Same with regards to the PDS: Slivers. That's how I made mine. I loved that product line. Superb value. Miss duel decks too. It's wild how much has changed.
I fondly remember the Premium Deck Series: Slivers deck. I remember being able to get it when I was just a kid and having tons of fun playing with what felt like a really strong set of cards. It's a shame that experience is out of reach for many of the "premium" Magic products for kids nowadays.
I 100% agree with how bad the prices on are these new products. Honestly the money hole is the biggest reason I'm not more into magic in generally and it sucks that I don't see it getting any better but I'm glad that you're not just blinded by your love of magic and actual call out wotc for their poor treatment of their very loyal customers.
I feel like if you use Coram as the commander of Graveyard Overdrive out of the box you will do better than you would with the face commander. You have several ways to mill cards, good cards in the graveyard to give Coram high power and even some power matters cards like Selvala. The land base sucks, no denying that, but I think the deck does a lot better with Coram than it does with Disa and could actually put in some work and be a deck you might win with out of the box
I’m pretty convinced Coram was originally designed to be the face commander but at some point late into development they decided to make Disa the face commander instead to tie more directly into the modern format and appeal to boomer jund player without updating the deck. Like it would make so much more sense that there are so few goyfs since it was only supposed tie into the backup commander but still play into Corams graveyard/power matters themes.
I feel also that people sometimes overlook that this isn't a graveyard matters deck, it's a graveyard SIZE matters deck. It's not about doing crazy graveyard shenanigans and doing tons of reviving, it's more typical Gruul, put out big things, put out big damage, stomp over the opponent - only with the added "fill up you graveyard asap" sidenote. In most gameplay videos on RUclips so far, the deck actually wins or at least really holds up well, so it's by far not as bad as the professor says, even though it is a bit unfocused with a few weird additions.
Disa is very strong if you have a pyrogoyf on board specifically, as it will give you up to three big damage triggers every turn from the tarmo tokens entering.
I love that the professor isn’t afraid to potentially upset WotC and actually voice the opinions of the community at large. Met him at a convention last year, and it’s awesome to see someone with a following actually care about the community that brought them to where they are now
Also wanna point out that Prof gives graveyard overdrive a hard time, but in many of the commander youtube channels that played the precon, overdrive in particular exceled and came out on top
From what I've seen so far, Graveyard Overdrive is at least the 2nd strongest deck in the set, if not tops. I guess it didn't do well when he and his group(s) playtested it? From what I've seen of it so far, it looks pretty good to me.
The themes for these commander decks are all really cool! But the actual cards in the deck made them all let downs. Not putting Goyf in the Goyf deck is silly
Oh, hello there, TrinketMage! Do have the same feelings about the lineup (and I also have a closet packed with reserves, so prob not bothering with MH3)
I grabbed a set of these at just under $200 after shipping and taxes, so they total out to around $50 each and I feel they're great value for that. I'm especially excited for the Jund deck to run the backup commander, Coram. "Vague graveyard" and "generic value" is synonymous with "Jund 'em out", to me, and Coram seems awesome for that!
Coram is awesome my thing with the Jund deck is by far the most expensive one to upgrade cause most of the cards you would want in a Jund Value Deck are not here
The main issue here is how wizards sells the decks. They are only available through a pack of 4 (one of each). Which means for 1 eldrazi deck, they have to buy 4. Which in turn they have to sell to people, but if people doesn't buy, they have to reflect on it and price the decks accordingly (meaning lowering the price of decks like goyfs and energy while upping the other two to make a profit). This is what will kill commander decks. Because stores cannot operate with unsold products on their hands and having to rely too much on 1 expensive deck to compensate for 3 others
Although I don’t agree this will kill the commander decks (this has been a problem for about as long as pre-cons have existed) I do agree this is the big underlying issue. Because they have to be purchased in sets of 4, if retailers don’t want to end up selling the unpopular decks at a loss, they need to increase the price of the popular ones to subsidize the ones that aren’t sold. If Wizards would just sell the decks individually to distributers, then you wouldn’t be seeing such crazy prices since you’d see supply being able to keep up with demand.
Several companies use the weird and outdated distributor model. It seems to work fine for things like soda and crackers since the retailer still has a lot of sway on pricing, but it's not really working for Magic today.
The problem is that in the past there were 2-3 good decks with one dud. The past few releases there is only 1 standout and 3 duds. There is no way to even break even since 2-3 sell at a loss and 1 deck, even at a huge premium, this MH3 set of 4 decks would lose $10-30 IF you can sell them all. The Eldrazi deck is already down to $110 which means a loss of $30-50 for the set for most retailers. Fun.
Commenting on this as it's the newest video. CONGRATS ON ONE MILLION!!! I've been subscribed for many many years, you are so deserving of this. You have been a huge part of why I love this game so much. Thank you for being you.
Everyone keeps saying the Goyf deck is bad, but I've seen it dominate in most online games and today at my LGS. It's nowhere near what it "could" be, but people are really underestimating how powerful of an ability Disa has
Everyone reads the first ability and knocks it, when the reality is the second ability is where it's at. Further more, depending on how you build the deck it can still play well without the commander in play since you can use demons, dragons, vampires, or stompy boys to get your triggers off- which even if the commander is kept off the board can present a win con in itself.
Honestly regardless of the price of these products, I’m just glad to be here watching the last pre-1M subscriber video. Congrats prof, you’re a vital part of this whacky community and it’s better for having you.
I’m so freaking excited I’ve never done a prerelease or a draft and just being able to sit with my friends I have zero expectations of winning but the fun will be in overload levels
Thank you, I just came back after more than 15 years away from magic and at my local game store, I've seen a sliver deck for 150$. Since then, I have hesitated to buy it thinking that it was now the normal price of a good precon. I now decided that my wallet is not gonna open for anything more than 50$ thanks to your video.
Thank you for your insight, Professor. I can’t thank you enough for your outspoken yet polite take on these precons. I hope WotC listens up and works on correcting these prices!
I managed to snap up both tricky terrain and the eldrazi decks for the same price as the other precons back in April, absolutely outrageous that stores charge what they do. My LGS sells them all £60-70, but unlikely anyone will be able to get the eldrazi one since everyone and their whole family wants one
The timeline between making these decisions and actually releasing the products can get wonky, I assume they decided to switch from THICC to full-art commanders somewhere in-between finishing MH3 and releasing OTJ.
As someone else has said, we are most likely done, but supplemental products are made on a different timeline than premiere sets, and that goes double for UB praducts, so we will probably still see them still for a handful of sets before they truly disappear.
You'll be proud of me, my LGS put aside one for me. I expected to pay $70 and would cringe while purchasing for for $90, but I walked put the door when charged 135.
Love your videos, thank you for speaking up about these decks and Wizards of the Cost problem. I appreciate you and your teams work! Thank you Professor!
I'm a cedh player so I don't care much for normal EDH decks but that Eldrazi precon is the rare type of deck where there's no way it's gonna fly at a casual table and it's not good enough for higher metas.
I go to casual events at my local LGS and just played against a control Eldrazi deck. It was awful lol. I think a lot of people don't realize how powerful Eldrazi synergy is and are just like "c'mon, look how high the cast cost is!" meanwhile they had 5 Eldrazi out on turn 7 and no one could interact with their board.
All the lgss near me have all 4 for $50 each, which is surprising because they usually have them listed at the higher or lower prices of what you would find online.
I got the complete deck set for a bit under 200€. I'm considering just reselling the eldrazi-deck because it just doesn't seem like the card in that deck are worth a 120 bucks.
What would an MSRP change? Genuinely asking. If they were $20 each or $99 each msrp, supply and demand takes over regardless, and people pay as much as they value it. That happens any way.
thing is wotc used to have an msrp but stores kept pricing over it so instead of incentivizing them to price fairly they just said fuck it and stopped suggesting it
I'm glad that i'm getting my precons from my LGS cause they are at least as close to MSRP as possible (I paid ~220 USD for all 4 decks which is ~55 USD per deck). Still the price gauging is absurd. Keep up with good work Doc :D
@@TostonDePanano clue. My friend is the one who did the Pre-order. He just divided the cost of the case by 4. If I were to hazzard a guess, considering the last couple of Special Commander sets had each deck baseline at 60ish (at least in our area big box stores) that was were the store got the price. So if our LGS did make an oopsie, I can deal. As a policy he makes sure to never price gouge or upcharge. So, this was likely just a mistake. Or it could even be an issue of the distributor side making him make an error.
You are the man, Prof! I recently got into MTG and love all your videos. Going to join the next whatnot to get one of those signed cards. Hope you get 1mil subscribers soon. Cheers
I feel like I shouldn't, but I want Magic to start doing worse. I want my community around me to grow, but I want the rampant catering to commander players to wither. It's so extravagant now.
The only way for it to wither is for consumers to locate their backbones. It's so disheartening seeing these videos and the comments are always filled with "thank God I pre-ordered all 4 before anyone even knew what was in this set" like holy addiction. I can't fathom buying $50 worth of ??? and yet it seems like such a common practice.
"I don't feel like the price on these products correlates with inflation." Okay dude, but why don't you actually look it up instead of going with your feelings? $35 in 2009 = $51.15 today. 51.15 * 1.67 to adjust up from 60 cards to 100 = $85.25. These are selling on average for $76.16. So yeah, these are effectively 9 cents cheaper per card than inflation adjusted premium deck series. This isn't even hard to check. Use your brain instead of just listening to your feelings.
This has been such a wild ride. I managed to pick up an Amazon UK pre-order order of Eldrazi Incursion for £58.95 and I'm hoping that it will be fulfilled but I'm not holding my breath. I decided that I didn't need *another* Simic deck but they're still selling for £58.95 in the UK. Awesome video though, thanks Prof - we all appreciate it!
Once again, fantastic video! My FLGS had my reserves come in today and I had them swap out the Graveyard Overdrive for Tricky Terrain thanks to your breakdown. Grabbed that and the Eldrazi for $60 a piece.
I ordered the bundle of these a month ago, and I'm glad I did, because the Jund deck has enough spice in it for what I want that even if I don't keep it together, I'm still going to be glad I got it. The bundle was at about $55-$60 per deck, and it has since shot up to $300 since the deck lists came out, so I'm glad I got on board when I did. Eldrazi are basically one of the only times I feel like preordering is a good idea, because I've been trying to get my hands on Zhulodok as well, and the only times I've seen it under a hundred bucks, the package has had mail errors that forced me to refund.
Thanks for the video prof! Lots of good hits, and always appreciate your analysis on the deck's construction. Always seems so well prepared and informative. I do think one of the largest reasons for the price hikes is an overcorrection of the print runs after the past few years. It's important to acknowledge that the past few years have been extremely tough for the exact opposite reasons, resulting in hundreds or thousands of game stores across the country closing. Would have left a better taste in my mouth if there was more context provided surrounding that, instead of just bashing them for an overcorrection on a previous mistake.
I was lucky enough to walk into my godsend LGS to pick up a precon Eldrazi deck at the standard $60 price during prerelease. This is why I try to exclusively buy through them, my guy Dalton is absolutely amazing and cares mkre about customers than inflated prices. I count my blessings going there. (Head to the Game Piece in Maryville. Best game store in East TN)
Really appreciate your insight into these magic products and subsequent issues. Honestly the prices are just, so much to consider them anything but rare pickups for those who can afford it.
As an eldrazi fan unnecessarily stressed by anything featuring eldrazi I once again appreciate your take here professor, the rampant speculation is getting to me.
I was able to try Creative Energy last night and it was a blast. The commander really does a ton of legwork making energy work in commander - although I wouldn't consider anything going on there premium.
I was just existing today and thought, “Huh, if I’m still deciding on which precon to get, maybe prof’s video on the precon overview will help. And what do you know, he came out with one an hour ago. Handy dandy Prof, keep doing your amazing work so aren’t lost❤.
Thanks for doing this review. I have been watching the prices on these decks change dramatically over the last couple of months and did not buy even at the lowest, $220 for the set or $55 each for all but eldrazi. Every time I think about buying one of these precons, I think of all the singles I have on my wish list that I'd rather buy or save the money for a future commander set.
I am giving away three (3) booster boxes of Modern Horizons 3 plus 3 surprise booster boxes on Saturday, June 15th at 3pm Pacific on Whatnot! Just go to www.whatnot.com/invite/tolariancollege and you'll get a $15 credit to spend on whatever you like!
Wait, so we go to the link, input our phone number, and we get added to a giveaway that happens on June 15th @ 3PM Pacific? Or is there something else we have to do or someplace we have to be? The wording feels like two separate things
Prof, I hope you see this. You matter inside of the MTG world and outside of it as well. The sincerity in your tone is a rare gem in the RUclips space, and we can hear your love for the game simultaneously conflicting with your disdain for malpractices. Please don’t ever quit Magic. We need you, and I’m very, very serious. All our love.
I was just existing today and thought, “Huh, if I’m still deciding on which precon to get, maybe prof’s video on the precon overview will help. And what do you know, he came out with one an hour ago. Handy dandy Prof, keep doing your amazing work so aren’t lost❤.
and yet other games find a way to be worse "500$" ahri skin
I have the collectors sets coming to me, as i bought them for my people. I can send them to you to open and review if you promise to send them back 👉🏽👈🏽
I adore that some of the music in the background is the same music you'd hear playing while watching a job safety video in a temp agency that was filmed in the early 90s.
I associate the theme music with Toleria
Yeah or like an educational video you’d see in elementary school. I think that’s the vibe he’s going for.
I know right, the synths are so old school.
I really dig the way the Prof considers price as part of the rating, as well as displaying his frustrations with how Wizards is throwing their hands up.
Great review, great service to the community.
To be fair though, he himself contributes to their giving up by spreading the secondary market price information in easily digestible form. Any pre-con or other product that comes recommended as having good value is snatched off the shelves before it can even get there, and every weak product gets bad ratings and basically becomes unsellable. I'm not a fan of generally losing the MSRP, but with the precons, I get it. WotC probalby thought, if there's no way to win this game, why bother to play?
Make em swallow their fingers to throw up their hands! 👐
I just started playing seriously about a year ago and I am already so exhausted by these prices. I think I have bought a total of 2 or 3 packs and have exclusively bought singles, largely because I found your videos first! Thank you for being honest and sticking to your guns no matter what
Don't be afraid to draft! I've had plenty of fun playing a full day for $25 commander drafts for the sets since I started 2 years ago. You might need to establish draft rules like we did if you are an EDH player like me who isn't as interested in standard (I still went to a couple prerelease events though)
Good job resisting the urge to gamble my guy
Just started a few months ago.
Bought 2 bundles and a commander pre con.
I feel like that's all I really need.
Still buy packs here and there just for the fun of opening packs but I do that not really expecting much 😅
Started playing a few months ago. Bought Velociramptor because I found it for $45 bucks on sale, bought the $40 Quick Draw, $50 Riders of Rohan and $20 modern LOTR dual decks. Otherwise than that just singles to build any other decks. Spending a ton of pre cons doesn’t seem to be the way to go
I've been playing since 1994 feel my pain. The struggle is real and the price gouging is out landish
My favorite thing is how they JUST made a deal about how in thunder junction we’d get cool commander art, and then for this set, you have to pay double the price for the cool commander art
I wonder if they went back on it or they're just doing that for the "standard" precons for expansion sets.
@@AndrewS-vu4ji truth be told, the MH3 precons were probably in development before the OTJ ones. I guess we'll see with bloomburrow.
They’re probably developed at different times.
I also find it super annoying that the deckbox art isn't in any of the versions. They do this with booster pack art all the time too :(
It's like you're trying to destroy the secondary card market!! How will Hasbro Exec#6924 buy his second yacht??
Please people.....the presale prices will go down once your LGS has them regulary in stock. Please dont buy a 140 dollar precon because of FOMO.......
honestly it's what I thought last year when CMM precons were released and didn't buy any, thinking they would go down, almost one year later it still hasn't and on the contrary they only went up ; so this time I didn't make the mistake, ordered the 4 as a bundle, even considering getting more Tricky Terrains ones as they have so many staples
Eldrazi dont go down, you can see a example from dinosaur ixalan precon.
Your LGS isn't going to buy more Eldrazi decks because they're only allowed to buy the decks in sets of 4 and they'd never be able to sell any more copies of the energy and graveyard decks when they already have 8-10 copies that aren't moving.
in this case “fomo” is not a good example, once the eldrazi is sold out you will not be able to get your hands on it & if you do it will run you over 200 easy. research first brother.
Target has them for ~$70. Same with best buy
The decks were originally intended for a 69,99$ price tag, as that is what they were sold under for the first few minutes after they became available on amazon.
Yup, Amazon had them at preorder for $70 each (still insane), then the leaks happened and shifted the prices all over. The simic deck is the only one to have maintained the WotC MSRP. 😂😂
@@kozad86 That actually went absolutely through the roof here in Germany after Graveyard Overdrive was previewed and concluded the spoilers. Sank down to 37€ at one point, then after it became clear that it would contain the best cards, if climbed up to 89€ on cardmarket.
@@TheSixthDoctorYeah, I managed to snag Graveyard Overdrive for $55 yesterday. Can't wait until launch.
Yes I got my eldrazi deck for about 70 bucks
I preordered Eldrazi Incursions deck just 2 days ago from Target for $72.99
The really fun kick in the teeth is if you get the collectors edition of the eldrazi deck, though advertised as having extended border cards, none of the new eldrazi will be extended border. (The other will have the extension.)
Because why would you buy collector boosters then? Such a scam.
@@Deebofreebo Yup, and throw a bunch of new powerful Eldrza chase cards in MH3 to suck the money out of people who want to power up their new precon. It's pathetic really.
@@Deebofreeboyeah but then you’d have people buying them up just for that, so idk what a winning answer even is anymore…
Proxy boutta go crazy for upgrading 😎
I smiled so big when you busted out the Premium Deck Series... Graveborn and Slivers were epic
I've very recently gotten back into MTG. And, you are one of the first channels I got into. With all due respect, this video helped me NOT worry anymore that you are a shill for the company. Your honesty is very admirable, and thank you for that.
Y’know, when the Eldrazi deck was announced, I just kinda grabbed it immediately without a thought. I am *incredibly* glad I did so early, god the price really has skyrocketed.
Ye same. I was able to get it reserved at my local card store
i was about to order it but it was gone immediately, dammit!
how much was it then and how much is it now?
@@xChikyx I paid ~$70 and it’s currently doubled that in price.
@@lucyarisato6850 oofff still pretty expensive
1M subs prof!!!
so proud to be part of the tolarian community college community!!!
you deserve this and so much more!!!
you're the heart and soul of the magic community and I think I can say in the name of all of us, that we're so happy to have someone as awesome as you to be the international voice for all of us all over the globe!!!!
best wishes from Germany 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Congratulations on 1 mil professor
Prof, thank you so much for your consistent advocacy for Magic players and not being afraid to call out Wizards on their price gouging and (sometimes!) poor deck construction. Hearing you speak about this matters a lot.
Genuinely surprised to see Graveyard Overdrive fare so badly, since my friend has been watching a bunch of gameplay videos of the decks to inform his decision and he's positively livid about how broken the goyfs seem to be. I suppose the best way to know for sure is to pick it up for myself, but only after it drops to 25 bucks or so.
I agree with your friend. I've watched a bunch of game play with the 4 precons and it seems to perform the best out of the box or upgraded. Both the simic deck and the energy deck have seemed to do little to nothing during game play that I've watched.
@johnsnow3938 My friend played the simic deck after we got back from the store, and since we don't run land destruction in our pod, we expected him to sweep the game quickly. Instead he sat around with 20-30 mana, a full hand, and a handful of creatures until he finally played a nonbasic land tutor to get darkest depths, get the 20/20, got it removed after one knockout, and sat around until he played a Mill 2 X (X=43) to knock the last player out.
@@synckar6380 that sounds about right. The deck can produce a ton of mana but has nothing to put it into. Would like to see it built with more X spells
@@johnsnow3938 I think adding things like Maze's End and Aven Courier would've helped the simic deck quite a bit without making it broken. With ways to tutor up Maze's end it actually becomes quite strong, and getting those 10 gates is pretty achievable, especially if you do have Aven Courier effectively acting as a second commander. Also adding more gates, especially Baldur's seems like an obvious decision. But yeah, on its own the Simic deck is lacking a clear win con imo
Hi! Can I ask you the source of your profile pic?
I feel so old, I remember when commander precons were once a year and only costed $39.95 before tax.
I remember the day I went with my stepdad to our LGS and he bought the Edgar Markov precon. Times were simpler for MTG.
I remember getting into mtg around tempest and onslaught release
YES! and back when they came with the jumbo commander cards! My first one was an Oloro and then finally a Arabo for the old jumbo card decks.
And when they were on shelves for months :(
Same with regards to the PDS: Slivers. That's how I made mine. I loved that product line. Superb value. Miss duel decks too. It's wild how much has changed.
Congrats on hitting the 1m subscribers. This is so awesome. Well deserved ❤
I fondly remember the Premium Deck Series: Slivers deck. I remember being able to get it when I was just a kid and having tons of fun playing with what felt like a really strong set of cards. It's a shame that experience is out of reach for many of the "premium" Magic products for kids nowadays.
I 100% agree with how bad the prices on are these new products. Honestly the money hole is the biggest reason I'm not more into magic in generally and it sucks that I don't see it getting any better but I'm glad that you're not just blinded by your love of magic and actual call out wotc for their poor treatment of their very loyal customers.
Pssst buy proxies and play with people who are nice and won’t be dicks about it 😊
I feel like if you use Coram as the commander of Graveyard Overdrive out of the box you will do better than you would with the face commander. You have several ways to mill cards, good cards in the graveyard to give Coram high power and even some power matters cards like Selvala. The land base sucks, no denying that, but I think the deck does a lot better with Coram than it does with Disa and could actually put in some work and be a deck you might win with out of the box
Agreed. I built with Coram and it should have been the face commander.
I’m pretty convinced Coram was originally designed to be the face commander but at some point late into development they decided to make Disa the face commander instead to tie more directly into the modern format and appeal to boomer jund player without updating the deck. Like it would make so much more sense that there are so few goyfs since it was only supposed tie into the backup commander but still play into Corams graveyard/power matters themes.
I feel also that people sometimes overlook that this isn't a graveyard matters deck, it's a graveyard SIZE matters deck. It's not about doing crazy graveyard shenanigans and doing tons of reviving, it's more typical Gruul, put out big things, put out big damage, stomp over the opponent - only with the added "fill up you graveyard asap" sidenote. In most gameplay videos on RUclips so far, the deck actually wins or at least really holds up well, so it's by far not as bad as the professor says, even though it is a bit unfocused with a few weird additions.
Disa is very strong if you have a pyrogoyf on board specifically, as it will give you up to three big damage triggers every turn from the tarmo tokens entering.
The prof is making history soon and cracks the 1mil subs very soon. What an achievement. So happy to be a part of that
Just buy singles, at least thats what i was told by some wise old man :)
Where'd you find a wise one? The one I see is just old!
provided you have a healthy bank account
Lmfao no not at all for modern. Your dpending 10x the price if you try singles in a Preimum set.
Not for Modern bud
Commander decks are way more expensive to buy card by card compared to buying the whole precon deck
I love that the professor isn’t afraid to potentially upset WotC and actually voice the opinions of the community at large. Met him at a convention last year, and it’s awesome to see someone with a following actually care about the community that brought them to where they are now
Also wanna point out that Prof gives graveyard overdrive a hard time, but in many of the commander youtube channels that played the precon, overdrive in particular exceled and came out on top
I agree, it's even my favorite out of the 4
yup
I’ve seen a fair of share of no board state from this deck as well. Definitely the least consistent
Graveyard overdrive is the most resiliant deck of the four. I dont know what prof smoked, but the deck is awesome.
From what I've seen so far, Graveyard Overdrive is at least the 2nd strongest deck in the set, if not tops. I guess it didn't do well when he and his group(s) playtested it? From what I've seen of it so far, it looks pretty good to me.
The themes for these commander decks are all really cool! But the actual cards in the deck made them all let downs. Not putting Goyf in the Goyf deck is silly
Oh, hello there, TrinketMage! Do have the same feelings about the lineup (and I also have a closet packed with reserves, so prob not bothering with MH3)
I really like the tricky terrain list. It has a lot of cool reprints and a theme that isnt often seen
I mean regular tarmogoyf sucks in commander, that's why the deck makes tokens of them. A vanilla 4/5 for 2 is not really a multiplayer card
@@BigPogger these are precons with silly themes. I think saying goyf is not powerful is not a good reason to not put that in the deck
@@IvanKolyada not sure what you mean exactly. But I won’t be buying any of these
I grabbed a set of these at just under $200 after shipping and taxes, so they total out to around $50 each and I feel they're great value for that. I'm especially excited for the Jund deck to run the backup commander, Coram. "Vague graveyard" and "generic value" is synonymous with "Jund 'em out", to me, and Coram seems awesome for that!
Coram is awesome my thing with the Jund deck is by far the most expensive one to upgrade cause most of the cards you would want in a Jund Value Deck are not here
Same thing. Even in the “bad” deck there is at least $50 worth of cards to add to other decks
Wish I had. Just grabbed the basic eldrazi one, which is still good saying how the price has gone.
The main issue here is how wizards sells the decks. They are only available through a pack of 4 (one of each). Which means for 1 eldrazi deck, they have to buy 4. Which in turn they have to sell to people, but if people doesn't buy, they have to reflect on it and price the decks accordingly (meaning lowering the price of decks like goyfs and energy while upping the other two to make a profit). This is what will kill commander decks. Because stores cannot operate with unsold products on their hands and having to rely too much on 1 expensive deck to compensate for 3 others
Although I don’t agree this will kill the commander decks (this has been a problem for about as long as pre-cons have existed) I do agree this is the big underlying issue. Because they have to be purchased in sets of 4, if retailers don’t want to end up selling the unpopular decks at a loss, they need to increase the price of the popular ones to subsidize the ones that aren’t sold. If Wizards would just sell the decks individually to distributers, then you wouldn’t be seeing such crazy prices since you’d see supply being able to keep up with demand.
@@goblinscrewdriver8544 But you know, AGAGAGAGAGAG
Several companies use the weird and outdated distributor model. It seems to work fine for things like soda and crackers since the retailer still has a lot of sway on pricing, but it's not really working for Magic today.
The problem is that in the past there were 2-3 good decks with one dud. The past few releases there is only 1 standout and 3 duds. There is no way to even break even since 2-3 sell at a loss and 1 deck, even at a huge premium, this MH3 set of 4 decks would lose $10-30 IF you can sell them all. The Eldrazi deck is already down to $110 which means a loss of $30-50 for the set for most retailers. Fun.
5:04 “what in the Flying Spaghetti Monster tax is this?!” Ramen!
Commenting on this as it's the newest video. CONGRATS ON ONE MILLION!!! I've been subscribed for many many years, you are so deserving of this. You have been a huge part of why I love this game so much. Thank you for being you.
Everyone keeps saying the Goyf deck is bad, but I've seen it dominate in most online games and today at my LGS. It's nowhere near what it "could" be, but people are really underestimating how powerful of an ability Disa has
Everyone reads the first ability and knocks it, when the reality is the second ability is where it's at.
Further more, depending on how you build the deck it can still play well without the commander in play since you can use demons, dragons, vampires, or stompy boys to get your triggers off- which even if the commander is kept off the board can present a win con in itself.
Heck yeah! I played it yesterday and it was a lot of fun and just my style. I am definitely going to streamline and get rid of the sacrifice stuff
I just miss the days of the 20 decks. Those were fun and an affordable way into commander.
Also still can't wait for that Behind the Campus video!
Another amazing review!!! The best mtg content creator period!!
Honestly regardless of the price of these products, I’m just glad to be here watching the last pre-1M subscriber video. Congrats prof, you’re a vital part of this whacky community and it’s better for having you.
It’s going to be a great day im attending my first ever prerelease event and it’s with my group of friends that got me into commander
that sounds awesome dude, hope you have fun
Cool! Remember, prerelease isn't about winning, it's about having fun!
Enjoy!
I’m so freaking excited I’ve never done a prerelease or a draft and just being able to sit with my friends I have zero expectations of winning but the fun will be in overload levels
@@TruckerShawn94 best of luck dude. Go have a blast and bless the pulls
@@TruckerShawn94 Hope you have a great time! Would genuinely love to hear how it went, what you built, and what exciting pulls you got!
I appreciate the honesty and clarification that the professor always provides in his videos. 🙏🏼🧙🏽♂️🙏🏼
Going to a prerelease tonight, so wish me luck!
But yeah, this set looks fun and I am definitely tempted to get the energy deck
GL HF!
Your reviews are always my lifesaver prof!
$140??? My printer can do it for $3!!
Thank you, I just came back after more than 15 years away from magic and at my local game store, I've seen a sliver deck for 150$.
Since then, I have hesitated to buy it thinking that it was now the normal price of a good precon.
I now decided that my wallet is not gonna open for anything more than 50$ thanks to your video.
Love from Italy Prof! Always wonderfull videos here
Its so awesome to see the love and care The Professor has for making this over priced game being more accessible to people.
ur so close to 1 mil subscribers. Well done
Thank you for your insight, Professor. I can’t thank you enough for your outspoken yet polite take on these precons. I hope WotC listens up and works on correcting these prices!
I managed to snap up both tricky terrain and the eldrazi decks for the same price as the other precons back in April, absolutely outrageous that stores charge what they do. My LGS sells them all £60-70, but unlikely anyone will be able to get the eldrazi one since everyone and their whole family wants one
Thanks Prof! Got your 1st pick for a very respectable and reasonable price online and happy I watched your video!! ❤
I thought we were done with the Thicc proxy commander 😅
I guess this will be an eternal back and forth lol
I'd actually really love continuing the special art commanders without the thick proxy :/
The timeline between making these decisions and actually releasing the products can get wonky, I assume they decided to switch from THICC to full-art commanders somewhere in-between finishing MH3 and releasing OTJ.
As someone else has said, we are most likely done, but supplemental products are made on a different timeline than premiere sets, and that goes double for UB praducts, so we will probably still see them still for a handful of sets before they truly disappear.
As a very new player, I appreciate your insight on these. Thanks!
The more expensive MTG gets, the more exclusive MTG becomes.
You'll be proud of me, my LGS put aside one for me. I expected to pay $70 and would cringe while purchasing for for $90, but I walked put the door when charged 135.
And just bought it for 60 online
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks 120 and now 600 some places for the premium eldrazi deck is insane
600 for premium is the Amazon price on 6/7/24
@@RetroPillowcase yea never in this lifetime will I spend 600 for a preconstructed deck
600 is supposed to be for all 4 decks. 600 for a single deck is gouging
Thank you Professor for an awesome magic review. We always appreciate your fun and candid opinions. Stay awesome
LET'S GOOOOOO! I have been waiting for this video 😄
Thank you for your honest reviews as always! Saving me some money 👍
Well im suddenly happy i got all 4 for 47.50 each .... jeezzz. I'm also sad i agree so very much.
Same
Love your videos, thank you for speaking up about these decks and Wizards of the Cost problem. I appreciate you and your teams work! Thank you Professor!
I'm a cedh player so I don't care much for normal EDH decks but that Eldrazi precon is the rare type of deck where there's no way it's gonna fly at a casual table and it's not good enough for higher metas.
I go to casual events at my local LGS and just played against a control Eldrazi deck. It was awful lol. I think a lot of people don't realize how powerful Eldrazi synergy is and are just like "c'mon, look how high the cast cost is!" meanwhile they had 5 Eldrazi out on turn 7 and no one could interact with their board.
@@kevinthecarpathian I have a special "Grixis lockdown" deck just for this type of situation. I won't win the game, but you won't either lmfao
Speaking of horizons...1 million subscribers is on yours! Hell, even closer than that...well deserved!
I'm watching this while working on my proxies. The cost of this game has gotten completely out of hand. Singles and sealed.
All the lgss near me have all 4 for $50 each, which is surprising because they usually have them listed at the higher or lower prices of what you would find online.
The Eldrazi Deck is 138$ USD… wait six months and buy the singles for a fraction of the price. Wizards needs to establish an msrp.
Not going to happen. They intentionally eliminated MSRP so they could get in on the scalping. This is by design.
I got the complete deck set for a bit under 200€. I'm considering just reselling the eldrazi-deck because it just doesn't seem like the card in that deck are worth a 120 bucks.
What would an MSRP change? Genuinely asking. If they were $20 each or $99 each msrp, supply and demand takes over regardless, and people pay as much as they value it. That happens any way.
thing is wotc used to have an msrp but stores kept pricing over it so instead of incentivizing them to price fairly they just said fuck it and stopped suggesting it
Hey there TCC gang. I just heard about your million subs and wanted to congratulate you. I hope all is well on the road to your next million.
Try calling around to LGS I was able to get the Eldrazi for $80-90 by ordering through them instead of TCG Player.
I'm glad that i'm getting my precons from my LGS cause they are at least as close to MSRP as possible (I paid ~220 USD for all 4 decks which is ~55 USD per deck). Still the price gauging is absurd. Keep up with good work Doc :D
Was able to preorder a set for $180 so yes, all the worth its.
You got lucky.
It cost me and my group around 240 after tax, so 60 per person for us each to have 1.
Oivei
We need MSRP
How did you preorder a set for that much? Pricing error from an lgs?
@@TostonDePanano clue.
My friend is the one who did the Pre-order. He just divided the cost of the case by 4. If I were to hazzard a guess, considering the last couple of Special Commander sets had each deck baseline at 60ish (at least in our area big box stores) that was were the store got the price. So if our LGS did make an oopsie, I can deal.
As a policy he makes sure to never price gouge or upcharge. So, this was likely just a mistake. Or it could even be an issue of the distributor side making him make an error.
@@TostonDePana It was my country's preorder price from the leading LGS. Philippines. 10500 pesos = $180. It did go up after a few days to $220.
Officially a million subs? Well done Professor, great work.
I miss the MSRP
I just got the Simic one from my LGS for $50 regular edition. Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow!
Guya just wait, they'll keep reprinting the eldrazi deck. Just wait.
I hope. It's been out of stock on Amazon for like 2 months, and that's their "official" retail channel.
oooOOOooooo Flexing that 1 million subscribers number! Congrats :)
They should have made Modern Challenger decks for MH 3, not Commander decks.
You are the man, Prof! I recently got into MTG and love all your videos. Going to join the next whatnot to get one of those signed cards. Hope you get 1mil subscribers soon. Cheers
I feel like I shouldn't, but I want Magic to start doing worse. I want my community around me to grow, but I want the rampant catering to commander players to wither. It's so extravagant now.
Once people begin leaving over the prices, they will not come back, no matter how much wild stuff WotC reprints for cheap.
The only way for it to wither is for consumers to locate their backbones. It's so disheartening seeing these videos and the comments are always filled with "thank God I pre-ordered all 4 before anyone even knew what was in this set" like holy addiction. I can't fathom buying $50 worth of ??? and yet it seems like such a common practice.
The Professor and Wubby need to do a colab!!
Would be a tale ill tell my grandkids😂
too late I buy all MTG products without thinking
Going to take my chances with the booster box. Thank you for going through the pre-cons.
"I don't feel like the price on these products correlates with inflation." Okay dude, but why don't you actually look it up instead of going with your feelings? $35 in 2009 = $51.15 today. 51.15 * 1.67 to adjust up from 60 cards to 100 = $85.25. These are selling on average for $76.16. So yeah, these are effectively 9 cents cheaper per card than inflation adjusted premium deck series. This isn't even hard to check. Use your brain instead of just listening to your feelings.
You're comparing to the normal versions, not the foil versions. The premium Deck Series were all foil.
This has been such a wild ride. I managed to pick up an Amazon UK pre-order order of Eldrazi Incursion for £58.95 and I'm hoping that it will be fulfilled but I'm not holding my breath. I decided that I didn't need *another* Simic deck but they're still selling for £58.95 in the UK. Awesome video though, thanks Prof - we all appreciate it!
I was lucky to get the Eldrazi incursion precon for $70 at my LGS. I love your videos and informative insight.
Once again, fantastic video! My FLGS had my reserves come in today and I had them swap out the Graveyard Overdrive for Tricky Terrain thanks to your breakdown. Grabbed that and the Eldrazi for $60 a piece.
I ordered the bundle of these a month ago, and I'm glad I did, because the Jund deck has enough spice in it for what I want that even if I don't keep it together, I'm still going to be glad I got it. The bundle was at about $55-$60 per deck, and it has since shot up to $300 since the deck lists came out, so I'm glad I got on board when I did. Eldrazi are basically one of the only times I feel like preordering is a good idea, because I've been trying to get my hands on Zhulodok as well, and the only times I've seen it under a hundred bucks, the package has had mail errors that forced me to refund.
Never lose your statements of truth about the value and quality, or lack of, of magic cards. I appreciate how you choose to discuss facts.
Thanks for the video prof! Lots of good hits, and always appreciate your analysis on the deck's construction. Always seems so well prepared and informative.
I do think one of the largest reasons for the price hikes is an overcorrection of the print runs after the past few years. It's important to acknowledge that the past few years have been extremely tough for the exact opposite reasons, resulting in hundreds or thousands of game stores across the country closing. Would have left a better taste in my mouth if there was more context provided surrounding that, instead of just bashing them for an overcorrection on a previous mistake.
i just bought the eldrazis one for $86 lucky me yay! thanks for this videos prof u r amazing. Greetings from Argentina
I was lucky enough to walk into my godsend LGS to pick up a precon Eldrazi deck at the standard $60 price during prerelease. This is why I try to exclusively buy through them, my guy Dalton is absolutely amazing and cares mkre about customers than inflated prices. I count my blessings going there.
(Head to the Game Piece in Maryville. Best game store in East TN)
Really appreciate your insight into these magic products and subsequent issues.
Honestly the prices are just, so much to consider them anything but rare pickups for those who can afford it.
Commenting here since it's the most recent vid, congrats on the million subs Prof!
So glad my LGS is a premium store and that I am a patreon. I was able to get the bundle of decks for $200. Couldn't find any offer better than that.
Congrats on the 1million subs professor! Finally hit that milestone today and deservedly so.
Hey hey congratulations on the 1 million subscribers!!! Well deserved 🎉
Any day now until prof hits 1m… I care more about that than any of the recent sets lol
As always, thanks Prof for giving your honest opinions! ❤
As an eldrazi fan unnecessarily stressed by anything featuring eldrazi I once again appreciate your take here professor, the rampant speculation is getting to me.
Congrats on 1 Million !!!!!!!! We deserved Prof!
Haven't played Magic in years, but these videos still pop up and I enjoy watching them. Prof is slowly loosing his mind by Wizards greed.
I was able to try Creative Energy last night and it was a blast. The commander really does a ton of legwork making energy work in commander - although I wouldn't consider anything going on there premium.
I was just existing today and thought, “Huh, if I’m still deciding on which precon to get, maybe prof’s video on the precon overview will help. And what do you know, he came out with one an hour ago. Handy dandy Prof, keep doing your amazing work so aren’t lost❤.
Thanks for doing this review. I have been watching the prices on these decks change dramatically over the last couple of months and did not buy even at the lowest, $220 for the set or $55 each for all but eldrazi. Every time I think about buying one of these precons, I think of all the singles I have on my wish list that I'd rather buy or save the money for a future commander set.
Congratulations on 1 M subscribers, Professor!
I appreciate you rating the gameplay and the value of these Pre-cons. Thank you for the video.