the official reaction against terror attack in the UK is disgraceful! we have a pop concert and declare '' we will carry on the same'' and sing John Lennon imagine song but forget the ''Imagine no religion'' bit!! to carry on the same as if nothing has happened is not beating the terrorist! it is helping the terrorist! after Manchester attack the official song was ''Don't look back in anger'' ??? We were told to not be angry as this was wrong??/ I'm sorry but if 22 innocent girls get exploded into pieces I think it's my moral duty to be angry! Because Evil should make those who wish to defeat it angry!
Well, I'm a bit cross, 4 years late, but I will respond anyway. Some people seem to be unable to be secure in their own beliefs, but have to lump a whole nation as being of one mind!! Well, no nation is of one mind, except the infantile and the feral Muslims. Sort your own soul and spirit and don't blame the people who got bombed for your anger. Blame the damned Muslims.
Well & thats only a part of the problem. Anyone who has especially read even a page or 2 of sharia law, parts of the quran/hadiths that the wrong ppl choose to live by & promote know it is a much larger issue. The roots of the ideology, what it commands, allows & says is all believers duty is a detriment to all of society
Four years on, we're doomed. I'm a German, I love my country, I love our "boring" values, but instead of finally seeing my people take a stand against Islam I'm seeing all these idiots protesting against the "far right" as if that were actually a problem in my country today! It's like my people aren't capable of any type of nuance in their judgment anymore, and I feel increasingly desperate for my children and their potential children. 😫🇩🇪💙🇮🇱
maybe if you stopped genociding people, they would sympathise, instead you are going on a smear campaign against muslims. which muslim treated you badly?
Another German here. I couldn't have said it better. We don't have voices like Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, Yasmine Mohammed, or Tommy Robinson, with a few exceptions such as Ahmad Mansour. And that's why I came to the same conclusion as the smart woman speaking here. There are no reasonable discussions; everyone who criticizes Islam or mass immigration is labeled a Nazi, and we all know that where there are no words, there will be violence. Many people who have integrated well understand this better than any woke voice in this land. Sooner or later, they will have to pay for that ignorance and the resulting backlash.
That is exactly what is happening in UK now. I think it is the politicians and police putting this rubbish around, because they are failing society so badly.
@@vizveebee I'm sorry you're going through it, too, and it makes me SO freaking mad! We have serious problems with so called "integration", which we can't solve, because we're not allowed to even talk about them. Why? Because it would be "fodder for the right wing". It's incredibly stupid. I don't want to "get rid of" people. I want the ones who want to stay to accept where they are and live by the rules! If that's "right wing", then what the heck?!
I love Murray but he is being disingenuous or just uncharacteristically naive with gaulands vogelschiss statements ..speck of birdshit the alternative fuel Deutschland political party might have people in it who express themselves plausibly on issues but its rife with nazis as a matter of fact its so problematic that a German French mate of mine who is basically a fascist all be it of the philosemetic kind says he wouldn't vote for them due to them having to many nazis amongst their ranks.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative. I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist. Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem. Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Oh Danny boy, you are my sunshine. "The Europeans, What ever they do to us, nothing they do to us could be as bad as listening to them!" 😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🇮🇱❤️
I bookmarked this, thank you! All the ideas expressed by the panelists are things that I have concluded but never hear in the U.S., and it is extremely rewarding to have my thought process validated in this way. I was not familiar with any of the panelists except for Doug Murray, but was greatly impressed with the insights of Gadi and Dan, who is hysterically unapologetic about his views and are ones that I unequivocally share.
@@AC-mp7cx Wow. That's a persuasive argument. They are actively destroying civilization in Europe, which begs the question; Why did they go there in the first place? They certainly are not an improvement. They should have all just stayed where they were, everybody would have been better off.
@@AC-mp7cxbiased? No, just common sense, objective reasoning etc. Things we used to have more of in the US & sadly dont have enough of anymore. Or at least not enough ppl willing to say it outloud for whatever bs pc term like "islamophobe" someone might try to call them. Sadly too many ppl dont know what all is in the quran/hadiths/sharia texts or they wouldnt have objected to Trumps immigration ban. Which if he wins this year hopefully he'll push through & deport these hamas supporters too
I get the impression that I am listening to 4 real human beings who are deep thinking, intellectual, courageous and with their feet firmly on the ground.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative. I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist. Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem. Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
@@Jomi91 Not sure if there is a publicised lecture portion to this event, yet. Hopefully there will be one released. But here is another from Jerusalem, in case you haven't seen that. ruclips.net/video/QPbne14ZkCo/видео.html
Hungary and Israel understand each other much better than Western Europe and Israel. When you are threatened you must defend yourself and not sing lovely songs of peace and love. It is a pity that whenever people speak about Europe, they ALWAYS EXCLUDE THE CENTRAL PART OF Europe, as if Poles, Czecks, Hungarians, Slovaks do not even exist. It is a shame and a mistake because the central region has a different historical development and they are now the immune system of Europe.
@@kbeetles Well said. I think that if Western Europe continues with the suicidal mass immigration, one day not too far in the future, Europeans from countries like Sweden, English, France, Germany will start moving to the "racist" central and eastern European and countries which refuse to take in immigrants of muslin origin non European immigrants in general.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative. I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist. Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem. Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative. I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist. Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem. Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Europe has a lot to learn from Israel, a truly authentic country that has had to fight to survive. Israelis are proud of their country and what it has achieved in the face of Islamic aggression.
That was really good, no essence of fear to be honest and direct. We in the West have lost that and I hope we can re-learn it again. Politics, I think, needs to come back to the center before we descend into civil war through tribalism.
I really admire Douglas Murray, but how he's managed to stay alive this long is a mystery. Anyone who dares to criticise the religion of peeeeeeace, their head usually falls off their shoulders.
@final boss I can only give you my personal opinion about the UK where I am happy to say I love visiting and have many friends. There is antisemitism everywhere since there are bigots in all societies. Many continental Jews found shelter in the UK after and during WW2 and were welcome, some stayed and became successful in the UK in various degrees, others left for other shores. British history does exhibit periods of institutionalized antisemitism in the more distant past but British Jews enjoyed more freedom and the benefits of living in a far less inimical country in the last century. And that is a credit to the British emotional and intellectual maturity. Cheers!
Israel is a beacon of light and an example of what's possible in the Middle East. A multicultural democratic high tech economy, a nation constantly striving to be the best it can be. Contrast this with it's one of it's neighbors who's sole purpose seems to be the destruction of others and all too often the destruction of itself. It's leaders driven by religious fanaticism, hatred and corruption and have no care for anyone, not even their own people. By contrast, the Jewish people have a rich culture and an attachment to a land which tragically was occupied by foreign powers for most of recorded history. This is a people who have seen more persecution than most. It beggars belief that Israel is framed as the aggressor in the region. If one had to live in the Middle East, there would be no better place than Israel.
The fight for democracy is only just beginning? But I’m convinced that democracy will prevail:) xxxx well done all those individuals who are fighting for truth and justice xx
Which is why he doesn't make headway: if he instead appealed to people's blind stupid emotions, perhaps using stupid rhymes, then maybe that would work.
I think [it was] Dr Dina was right about revenge. Every time the Jews were kicked out of the country they were in that economy floundered to the point where they were sometimes invited back. So, it’s going to fascinating to see what Europe will do when they realise what the incoming Arabs contribute.
its incredible to see this 4 year old video knowing what we know now on the state Europe and the US is in, i think when they said that the west will be in trouble they thought back then it will be in decades time, not 4 years later, and the snowball keeps rolling and getting bigger.
You mean the arab contribute will be a problem in what sense? Financially? At the moment the swedish system is struggling because the welfare all on the immigrants who don’t work or do less qualified jobs. Or you mean in terms of criminality? We only have to choose 😂😢
@@igor-d.6008 the global chess board is even more complex, i read somewhere that by russian and chinese instructions, 3rd world countries empty their prisons and with the help of the cartels fludding the US with those people, but its not verified yet..
@@igor-d.6008 when one considers how ordinary Palestinian Arabs also joined in on the looting and attacks on Israeli civilians on October 7; the thousands regularly protesting every week, and; Civil wars in many of the neighbouring Arab countries. What are your expectations? Mine are not so good.
Murray: 'If you have nothing to live for, you have nothing to die for'. The reverse is also true: If you have nothing to die for (i.e., that is worth it), you have nothing to live for.
Live for eternal life by following Jesus!! We have an eternal soul that is here to evolve!! The narrow path to good, to the Lord or the wide path to destruction in all that is wrong.
Is the full video still available somewhere? The link to FB does not seem to work (any more). I would love to hear the speech Douglas Murray is concluding at the start of this video. Anyhow, thanks for sharing - having both Douglas Murray and Dan Scheuftan in the same event is incredible. Dan Scheuftan is not as well known in Europe but he should be - we have a lot to learn from listening to him.
This was a great discussion particularly Douglas Murray who was excellent in his insight into Europe today.. Looking at this in Jan 1 2024 and I am sorry to say the amount of anti-semitism I see in the main stream media and in all leftwing parties and supporters is shocking - never thought this would happen.
Indeed but read about what Denmark and Sweden are doing. France even. Europe is realizing that bringing in millions of migrants isn’t all sunshine and roses.
Very realistic and excellent conversations We Indians need to learn a lot from Israel governments and Israeli citizens to defend the desi culture, country and its borders from the expansive religions and ideologies like Islam, communism and idiotic isms of yhe world Jewish people and Israelis are real brave hearts and hats off to them 👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
We don't need your support, you dirthy idol worshiper!! our father Abraham destroyed Idols and we have zero sympathy with the shithole, which you call India. Our political leaders take advantage of your stupid leaders, but you idiots don't even notice.
@@muhammadishaq7358 Whatever you are asking is well written in your holy book and in the Sunna of your sex maniac holy prophet. Go and read to enjoy the taste of cow urine you asking for 😂😂😂😂
Loved it. DM is the nuts! Although at 57:34 - I take the opposing view from that lady; I tend to think that national identity narratives and strong religion aren't mutually exclusive. One doesn't cancel out the other.
She was answering the question at 46:55. She wasn't suggesting religion cancels out national identity. Rather that whatever identity it is you're maintaining, you better trust in it yourself and spread that confidence to the rest of your countrymen. She's echoing the point in Murray's book.
@Joseph D'Orazio Exactly that, love her. Thanks for your comments too, not many people understand, or care, what a turning point the second intifada was on the Israeli psyche. Shalom from Jerusalem.
@Joseph D'Orazio Your grandfathers would of been of Reagan's generation or earlier. He was a Roosevelt dem and said the party left him. Likewise I think a lot of good people will "walk away" in the next 4 years as the dems have gone looney again. I'm American/Israeli so follow quite closely US shenanigans mostly by podcasts on ricochet.com, lot's of great shows. Is that a Japanese garden in your avatar?
We should remember that in Europe and in nearly all Democracies the values behind our laws and values are built on religious, Christian, values. Without that or to ignore or bury or divert from that we, as democratic nations no longer have a basis for our core values...which is what makes us different in terms of social and political values of Muslim and Communist and Autocratic countries.
1:11:10 Despair not, on the "only state that has to defend..." the rest of the West are saying hold my beer. Who after all really has a unique claim to a culture, town or retirement fund? What is a nation if not a platform for future nourishment from whoever wants to live there, for which we bow for the graces while making sure not to appropriate or micro aggress? What is our history if not a long and broad flow of people randomly moving in and out from all across the world? What is a (white) race if not a pure figment of our imagination, waiting to be deconstructed? And all of these poses are fail-safe. If they go down the tubes against all odds and bring a civilization with them, we'll all know who to blame - the men. I'm a Swedish pro welfare state environmentalist. I used to think the left was so modern, fresh and cleansed of the loon. Meanwhile it mutated into this while I was looking the other way. And our right wing-block includes parties that flirt with the good people too, while the party that was right from the beginning is untouchable due to its murky origin. Proudly we march on, into the setting humanitarian sun. And let me say about the USA, that the American left is the Mecca of identity politics. The "nation of immigrants" mantra has been gradually pasted onto the rest of us by proxy. So as to reverse-engineer and Americanize our past to harmonize it with our predetermined future.
1:12:00 and Im sick of that. Sick of the bastardization of words nowdays, especially those ppl try to make a "bad" word like colonialism, zionist, liberal. Colonialism being one & it was a net positive for the majority of places where it occured. Places that didnt end up better afterwards have other factors at play & many that didnt end up better then still arent better now & they cant use that excuse forever. I know speaking of Islam, the Muslim world still tries to blame the Mongol invasion for why they havnt progressed since then, but at the same time much like other ppl who try to revise history, nowdays many of them will try to take credit for everything no matter how absurd it is to try to take credit for most of the things Ive heard claims of. As for zionism, there's nothing wrong with Jewish ppl having a Jewish country. Many countries have been called "Christian nations" or "Muslim majority" countries. There has historically always been Jewish ppl in Israel no matter how many have migrated there post ww2 & its not like some countries like Saudi Arabia for eg its illegal to have, sell any nonmuslim religious materials there. Yet you dont see the world up in arms calling them zenophobic etc etc. The word Liberal, liberal is equal to liberty, democracy its what we can thank for freedom of speech etc. Our ancestors in the US & elsewhere in the world didnt come from countries where they had things like freedom of speech. Many could find themselves locked up or worse for speaking out against many topics. It shouldnt be used as a catch all term for these far left, marxist nutjobs & everything they do or try to do nowdays
צפיתי בפודקייס זה רק ב-2024. תמיד נעים לשמוע מדאגלס מוריי וכל השאר. שמעתי על דאגלס רק אחרי ה-7 באוקטובר. קשה היה להקשיב לפודקייס מבלי לחשוב וואו הם לא יודעים מה הולך לקרות ב-7 באוקטובר 2023 וכמה לצערי האנטישמיות גברה מאז הפודקייס הזה.
*Progressive Assertions:* 1) Scarcity is *NOT* natural. Scarcity *_ONLY_* happens because of greed. Production isn't necessary; only sharing. At any time in the past, present, or future, universal prosperity is always possible, except for the greed of a few. 2) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism , as advocated by folks such as Noam Chomsky, is the way to go. No one needs prices to know what is worthwhile to do. Reason, and good will, are adequate to plan production. Labor is not a commodity. 3) Sovereignty should be based upon Good Intentions and not free moral agency. Corollary: Rule by Philosopher Kings!! 4) No one should ever have to suffer regardless of fault. 5) *_From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs_* (regardless of cost to everyone),... is still the best way to organize society,... but people are too greedy and selfish to make it work. It would be better for society to live as eusocial insects, than as human beings. 6) Why be satisfied with trade-offs when solutions suggest themselves so obviously! 7) Wealth is consumption, not production. We have our cake, not because we bake it, but because we eat it. 8) Results flow from will, and will alone. If good results are not forthcoming, it is *ONLY* due to either a lack of good will or the presence of an opposing evil will. It is *NEVER* construed that results are lacking due to a lack of knowledge. Knowledge, science, technology, skills, prices, etc., are just incidental details. 9) Lifeboat ethics reign always. 10) *Of course wealth is zero-summed!!* All these suppositions follow very naturally from the *_FACT_* that people today are essentially the same as we were a hundred thousand years ago when *EVERYONE* lived in nomadic, and essentially egalitarian, tribes. Most people's ethical, moral, and economic intuitions are still the same as our ancient ancestors, so is it any real surprise that so many people feel alienated in today's world where, under modern markets, the relationship between cause and effect is so abstract. For many caring, empathetic, people, trusting in Capitalism and self interest and the invisible hand of the market place makes just as much sense as walking off a ten story building,... and expecting the outcome to be okay. Just like a computer, the market can not be argued with, or pleaded with, or persuaded to be different. To people who rely on their ability and skill to influence people, the cold logic of computers/markets is, of course, experienced as profoundly alienating. If reality offers little to them, then so much the worse for reality then! This is how keirsey.com/temperament/idealist-overview/ progressives think versus the way keirsey.com/temperament/rational-overview/ libertarians think. For more, check out www.cato.org/events/socialism-human-nature . Basically the ideology of the Regressive Left (thank you Dave Rubin!) comes down to, literally, that wishing should make it so,... and if you even question the efficacy of such beliefs,... you're evil, you've bad intentions, you only say that wishing alone can not make it so because you must not really want it to be true. They are insane. But they speak to something that is very deep in the human soul than tends to be experienced more as the world becomes ever more prosperous and free. For more, read Nathaniel Branden's essay, *_Alienation_* in _Capitalism, the unknown ideal._ The punch line is that those who want to experience liberty covet the ability and responsibility to think for ourselves,... yet, mostly being herd animals, the vast majority of humanity atavistically craves a time when a mere instinct for survival, automatic and understood, was sufficient to survive and prosper. It isn't today. It can't be. But the Regressive Left would quite literally prefer the extinction of our species, rather than acknowledge as true the Pareto Principle as it applies to people; that roughly when any number of people are involved in most any creative activity, the square root of that number of people are providing half the value (out of 10,000, 100 create half the value, and then 10 create half the value again, or a quarter of the value of the original 10,000; How could there not be billionaires then?). We are not blank slates,... we are not all equal to each other, or even to ourselves on different days. We differ in will, merit, and ability. And we most likely always will. But, as I noted above, much of the Regressive Left would prefer humanity lived as eusocial insects do,... so as there would then be nothing to envy at all. *_To say that 'wealth in America is so unfairly distributed in America,' as Ronald Dworkin does, is grossly misleading when most wealth in the United States is not distributed: at all. People create it, earn it, save it, and spend it._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose -- because it contains all the distinctions of the others -- the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money'. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity -- to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality._* ~ Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ *_Americans are so enamored of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom._* ~ Alexis de Tocqueville *_Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free._* ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn *_Freedom is essentially a condition of inequality, not equality. It recognizes as a fact of nature the structural differences inherent in man - in temperament, character, and capacity - and it respects those differences. We are not alike and no law can make us so._* ~ Frank Chodorov *_The capitalist process shapes things and souls for socialism._* ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter *_Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it._* ~ George Bernard Shaw *_[The average man] is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty,... and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies._* ~ H.L. Mencken *_Wonderful theory, wrong species._* (On Marxism, which he considered more suited to ants than to humans) ~ Edward Osborne Wilson *_Any cook should be able to run the country._* ~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin *_I believe that an atavistic longing after the life of the noble savage is the main source of the collectivist tradition._* ~ Friedrich von Hayek *_A free man is as jealous of his responsibilities as he is of his liberties._* ~ Cyril James
Migrancy has been a fundamental fact of the human story since the beginning. The problems that we are all hand wringing about at this juncture reflect the apparent inability of successive governments and institutions in the West (or North, or whatever) to recognise the essential need post - enlightenment, to absolutely forbid religion to have any influence in govt. or any social institutions and infrastructure - schools, healthcare etc.. Britain allowed Thatcher to roll out a 'faith school' programme in the state sector that initiated the cultural basis for a 'divide and rule' strategy that continues to serve the elites - the most powerful of which are transnational corporations who care not a toss for bleary eyed, regressive notions of 'nationalism'. If someone comes to live and thrive in a region of the world then they must adapt. A genuinely strong culture, one based upon shared rights, values and most importantly responsibilities to that region (and exponentially, the economically, 'globalised' world) will make any absorption of the 'other' much easier. What we have complicity produced is a pathetic, infantilised, top down culture governed by consumption and insatiable desire traps rather than a broad, well educated (often best expressed as the autodidact and amateur spirit of enquiry, rather than a didactic absorption of what one is allowed to know by the corporate elites, to meet their needs). Britain was gently but irresistibly absorbing and adapting the medieval, misogynist and culturally and ethically 'inferior' muslim thing quite quickly and effectively - I was there - in London in the late seventies and early eighties when young people - the next generation - were rising as a unified, rational and secular force. The faith school project helped to dismantle this Real culture, along with a systematic and vicious dissolution of Real communities across Britain; the 'no such thing as society' delusion flogged by Thatcher in that ridiculous, chippy, aping, supercilious drawl that she had practiced to mimic her 'betters', whom she despised at heart, and to bewitch the masses, who never understood the true nature of their 'betters' but slavishly acquiesced to her clumsy and misrecognised wielding of the mimicry of 'power' as a 'comfort blanket', to calm their fears of actually having to act with responsibility. Where are we now 'culturally'? An amorphous consumer, addicted to everything from fast food and shopping to pornography and street drugs (which now form a significant part of GDP and conveniently maintain a self destructive 'underclass' where a unified, evolving and productive working class once stood proud.) Ask yourselves - whom does this miserable state of affairs actually serve? Work it out - it is rather obvious. It certainly is in part political 'elites' of all stripes but they only serve as managers of you 'the consumer' and all this prattling and nostalgia for an always fictitious, 'fixed identity' we have queued up to elide and dilute in and of ourselves, with its necessary scapegoats, chimera and shibboleths, is a very effective way for the same undemocratic and increasingly monolithic and hegemonic corporate 'elites', whom have always been the puppet masters, to thrive from our dissolution and moral redundancy. I mean we must have sunk pretty low when women are converting to a medieval mumbo-jumbo cult that requires them to wear a bag over their faces, as preferable to the 'culture' we espouse. Having lost all sense of responsibility, any true ethics, we slavishly traipse towards a destructive and expensive 'civil war' with the Jihadi cult that has been tacitly and intentionally encouraged by every government since at least 1979. The French seem to have the most courage in respect to this 'cultural' problem and they are, most tellingly, the most centrist and 'actively' democratic country in Europe - yes Europe, that despised progenitor of all evil that spawned the industrial revolution and the Enlightenment (I obviously include Britain as culturally and regionally part of Europe). Stop, 'believing' what you want to hear, stop wallowing in regional and cultural division and start finding out the nuanced and complex truth, people (this will require a thirst for knowledge and a real effort of course).
Douglas Murray, known for his eloquence and articulation, is often criticized for his controversial views on Islam, which many perceive as Islamophobic and racist. With his distinct communication skills, he could potentially excel in Hollywood, particularly in roles such as a British antagonist or a colonial-era settler character
Strange format. A couple of important panel speakers from the university give their perspective and then Douglas gives his take on their perspectives. I would have expected a summary of his book as a starting, questions and ideas from the panel, and then general question and answer. I enjoyed it but I think it was a missed opportunity have the writer of the book in your midsts (unless there was a show before the one we see here)
45:45 : What does he mean by American elites going in the same direction as Europe ? Woke culture doesn't come from Europe. It is American stuff good or bad that is imposed to Europe these days, not the other way around as far as I know.
*_While Liberty is never Utopian, it is always Melioristic,.._* but that can *never* be good enough for the _left,.._ and so the world *burns!* *_Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have._* ~ Harry Emerson Fosdick *_Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others._* ~ William Allen White *_The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves._* ~ William Hazlitt _Where _*_love rules,_*_ there is no will to power, and where _*_power_*_ predominates, love is lacking. The one is the _*_shadow_*_ of the other._ ~ Carl Jung *_Where men cannot freely convey their thoughts to one another, no other liberty is secure._* ~ William E. Hocking *_Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down._* ~ Frederick Douglass *_It is important to remember, as has well been said, 'the essential characteristic of true liberty is that under its shelter many different types of life and character and opinion and belief can develop unmolested and unobstructed.'_* ~ Charles Evans Hughes *_Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions._* ~ Joseph Labadie *_Liberty is always unfinished business._* ~ American Civil Liberties Union *_Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual._* ~ Thomas Jefferson *_The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave._* ~ Thomas Jefferson *_Where liberty is, there is my country._* ~ Benjamin Franklin *_Liberty is one of the choicest gifts that heaven hath bestowed upon man, and exceeds in value all the treasures which the earth contains within its bosom, or the sea covers. Liberty, as well as honor, man ought to preserve at the hazard of his life, for without it life is insupportable._* ~ Cervantes *_Liberty is not merely a privilege to be conferred; it is a habit to be acquired._* ~ David Lloyd George *_Liberty is not a right but a duty._* ~ Ezra Pound *_The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force._* ~ Voltaire *_The inescapable price of liberty is an ability to preserve it from destruction._* ~ Douglas MacArthur *_The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time._* ~ George Sutherland *_The true test of liberty is the right to test it, the right to question it, the right to speak to my neighbors, to grab them by the shoulders and look into their eyes and ask, 'Are we free?' I have thought that if we are free, the answer cannot hurt us. And if we are not free, must we not hear the answer?_* ~ Gerry Spence *_The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth._* ~ H.L. Mencken *_[The average man] is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty,... and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies._* ~ H.L. Mencken *_I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air ~ that progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave._* ~ H.L. Mencken *_One of the qualities of liberty is that, as long as it is being striven after, it goes on expanding. Therefore, the man who stands in the midst of the struggle and says, 'I have it,' merely shows by doing so that he has just lost it._* ~ Henrik Ibsen *_Liberty is to the collective body what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society._* ~ Henry St. John *_Liberty is the soul's right to breathe and, when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled too tight._* ~ Henry Ward Beecher *_Liberty is the possibility of doubting, the possibility of making a mistake, the possibility of searching and experimenting, the possibility of saying “No” to any authority -- literary, artistic, philosophic, religious, social and even political._* ~ Ignazio Silone *_The first step in saving our liberty is to realize how much we have already lost, how we lost it, and how we will continue to lose it unless fundamental political changes occur._* ~ James Bovard *_A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty Is worth a whole eternity in bondage._* ~ Joseph Addison *_Life without liberty is like a body without spirit._* ~ Kahlil Gibran *_Liberty is not a cruise ship full of pampered passengers. Liberty is a man-of-war, and we are all crew._* ~ Kenneth W. Royce *_Political liberty is nothing else but the diffusion of power._* ~ Lord Hailsham *_Liberty is rendered even more precious by the recollection of servitude._* ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero *_Americans have the mistaken viewpoint that Lady Liberty is only a peacetime luxury who is ill-equipped to fight the nasties. Therefore, they reason, we need an equally nasty Big Brother. Americans have forgotten that Lady Liberty is one ferocious mother when protecting her children._* ~ Mary Ruwart *_Liberty is one of the most precious gifts which heaven has bestowed on man; with it we cannot compare the treasures which the earth contains or the sea conceals; for liberty, as for honor, we can and ought to risk our lives; and, on for the other hand, captivity is the greatest evil that can befall man._* ~ Miguel de Cervantes *_Liberty is a slow fruit._* ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson *_What light is to the eyes - what air is to the lungs - what love is to the heart, liberty is to the soul of man._* ~ Robert G. Ingersoll *_The spirit of liberty is not merely, as multitudes imagine, a jealousy of our own particular rights, but a respect for the rights of others, and an unwillingness that any man, whether high or low, should be wronged and trampled under foot._* ~ William Ellery Channing *_It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed._* ~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin *_Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal._* ~ Karl Popper, 1945
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Dr. Dan Scheuftan shines in this panel. A combination of wisdom and wit.
Douglas is an international treasure and a gift to freedom and the people of the earth.
Imagine watching it now in 2024. Everything is so precisely accurate.
All these brilliant minds are worth studying and researching about.
"the rudest person in Israel. That is hard to achieve." Brilliant comment.
@einstu I loved listening to him though. He was funny & made some very good points.
There is this inimitable 'in your face' rudeness by some Israelis born of their superiority/inferiority complex.
the official reaction against terror attack in the UK is disgraceful! we have a pop concert and declare '' we will carry on the same'' and sing John Lennon imagine song but forget the ''Imagine no religion'' bit!! to carry on the same as if nothing has happened is not beating the terrorist! it is helping the terrorist! after Manchester attack the official song was ''Don't look back in anger'' ??? We were told to not be angry as this was wrong??/ I'm sorry but if 22 innocent girls get exploded into pieces I think it's my moral duty to be angry! Because Evil should make those who wish to defeat it angry!
3 years on from your comment. Totally agree with you, and I think more people are realising what our situation is becoming 👐
Good point!
Well, I'm a bit cross, 4 years late, but I will respond anyway. Some people seem to be unable to be secure in their own beliefs, but have to lump a whole nation as being of one mind!! Well, no nation is of one mind, except the infantile and the feral Muslims. Sort your own soul and spirit and don't blame the people who got bombed for your anger. Blame the damned Muslims.
What a fantastic man I could listen to him for hours,heras his finger on the button.I would be more than happy to have such a man to run our country.
this is a sobering and fascinating conversation to hear at this time
When children are learning how and who to hate instead of ABC’s this is a problem for a peaceful society
Well & thats only a part of the problem. Anyone who has especially read even a page or 2 of sharia law, parts of the quran/hadiths that the wrong ppl choose to live by & promote know it is a much larger issue. The roots of the ideology, what it commands, allows & says is all believers duty is a detriment to all of society
This is what zionists do.
Douglas Murray is one of a million !
Exactamente.
He’s hungover after a wild night in Tel Aviv. If you know what I mean.
Four years on, we're doomed. I'm a German, I love my country, I love our "boring" values, but instead of finally seeing my people take a stand against Islam I'm seeing all these idiots protesting against the "far right" as if that were actually a problem in my country today! It's like my people aren't capable of any type of nuance in their judgment anymore, and I feel increasingly desperate for my children and their potential children. 😫🇩🇪💙🇮🇱
maybe if you stopped genociding people, they would sympathise, instead you are going on a smear campaign against muslims. which muslim treated you badly?
it's less than 6% in germany if you get your act together and deport the psychos in the mosques you got a decent chance
Another German here. I couldn't have said it better. We don't have voices like Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, Yasmine Mohammed, or Tommy Robinson, with a few exceptions such as Ahmad Mansour. And that's why I came to the same conclusion as the smart woman speaking here. There are no reasonable discussions; everyone who criticizes Islam or mass immigration is labeled a Nazi, and we all know that where there are no words, there will be violence. Many people who have integrated well understand this better than any woke voice in this land. Sooner or later, they will have to pay for that ignorance and the resulting backlash.
That is exactly what is happening in UK now. I think it is the politicians and police putting this rubbish around, because they are failing society so badly.
@@vizveebee I'm sorry you're going through it, too, and it makes me SO freaking mad! We have serious problems with so called "integration", which we can't solve, because we're not allowed to even talk about them. Why? Because it would be "fodder for the right wing". It's incredibly stupid. I don't want to "get rid of" people. I want the ones who want to stay to accept where they are and live by the rules! If that's "right wing", then what the heck?!
Douglas is absolutely brilliant. Speaks from the heart and nothing but facts 🇮🇱💙🇬🇧
Murray once again speaks with clarity and honesty.
It reflects directly on current times.
I love Murray but he is being disingenuous or just uncharacteristically naive with gaulands vogelschiss statements ..speck of birdshit the alternative fuel Deutschland political party might have people in it who express themselves plausibly on issues but its rife with nazis as a matter of fact its so problematic that a German French mate of mine who is basically a fascist all be it of the philosemetic kind says he wouldn't vote for them due to them having to many nazis amongst their ranks.
@@ashley-fk6dp As the time approaches to choose a clear side, i know which i would.
@@BaconbuttywithCheese can you eloborate .
@@ashley-fk6dp Your question is too vague.
The first guy up....wow.....would be nice to have this guy around to listen to every day. Glade i found this video : )
Dan schueftan
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative.
I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist.
Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem.
Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow
He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Dan Shueftan is prescient. People of the world, Europe especially, listen.
He is exceptional!
Four years later and look where the world is now, I wish some of the sane words in this discussion had been heeded
Oh Danny boy, you are my sunshine. "The Europeans, What ever they do to us, nothing they do to us could be as bad as listening to them!" 😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🇮🇱❤️
Buuurrn
Love the first speaker...plain speaking with an edge of humour encasing the realism that most don't really want to admit to.
I bookmarked this, thank you! All the ideas expressed by the panelists are things that I have concluded but never hear in the U.S., and it is extremely rewarding
to have my thought process validated in this way. I was not familiar with any of the panelists except for Doug Murray, but was greatly impressed with the insights
of Gadi and Dan, who is hysterically unapologetic about his views and are ones that I unequivocally share.
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extremely biased nonsense
@@AC-mp7cx Wow. That's a persuasive argument. They are actively destroying civilization in Europe, which begs the question; Why did they go there in the first place? They certainly are not an improvement. They should have all just stayed where they were, everybody would have been better off.
@@AC-mp7cxbiased? No, just common sense, objective reasoning etc. Things we used to have more of in the US & sadly dont have enough of anymore. Or at least not enough ppl willing to say it outloud for whatever bs pc term like "islamophobe" someone might try to call them. Sadly too many ppl dont know what all is in the quran/hadiths/sharia texts or they wouldnt have objected to Trumps immigration ban. Which if he wins this year hopefully he'll push through & deport these hamas supporters too
I get the impression that I am listening to 4 real human beings who are deep thinking, intellectual, courageous and with their feet firmly on the ground.
Very important to our current days.
What a great and interesting discussion!
Man on the left and Douglas Murray get my vote.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative.
I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist.
Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem.
Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow
He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
So brilliant! I live in Haifa. Would love to sit in on Dan's class.
Great discussion. Thrilled to be able to ‘take part’ in these sorts of presentations. Thank you for posting.
Thank you !
Just listened to the first speaker he was great. I agree with everything he said. I hope UK can re-ignite this energy before it is destroyed.
@@Jomi91 Not sure if there is a publicised lecture portion to this event, yet. Hopefully there will be one released. But here is another from Jerusalem, in case you haven't seen that. ruclips.net/video/QPbne14ZkCo/видео.html
@@Jomi91 Hi, you can watch the full clip, with douglas murray's lecture as well, here: facebook.com/AheretZavit/videos/677274246067817/
Hungary and Israel understand each other much better than Western Europe and Israel. When you are threatened you must defend yourself and not sing lovely songs of peace and love. It is a pity that whenever people speak about Europe, they ALWAYS EXCLUDE THE CENTRAL PART OF Europe, as if Poles, Czecks, Hungarians, Slovaks do not even exist. It is a shame and a mistake because the central region has a different historical development and they are now the immune system of Europe.
@@kbeetles Well said. I think that if Western Europe continues with the suicidal mass immigration, one day not too far in the future, Europeans from countries like Sweden, English, France, Germany will start moving to the "racist" central and eastern European and countries which refuse to take in immigrants of muslin origin non European immigrants in general.
What was the name of the brilliant first speaker again?
Yet again, one of the best videos on RUclips in terms of answers to big questions, yet with just 103 likes.
We are a new channel, perhaps that is to blame :)
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative.
I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist.
Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem.
Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow
He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Women and children give profound meaning to life, what's your problem?
Funny intelligent and great panelist’s. Thank you so much.
The first speaker was very witty indeed. Murray was riveting.
Speaker one myopically leaves out shades, nuances and dimensions to his strawlike narrative.
I understand rounding, simplyfying and generalising, to purvey one's narrative within time and terms but... That was rude, insulting and plain epistemologically reductionist.
Maybe for Europeans, listening to him would be the first problem.
Athens and Sparta are not so European culturally ethnically... But he uses them to basically emulate the Team America's '''di'ks, c''nts, a'''holes'' 'explanation, Erroneously on numerous levels. Literally calling Europeans , 'c'nts'... Arabs '''as'''oles'', and israelim ''the d'''ks'. Wow
He rightly calls 'europeans' ultra passive and morally ambivalent, but somehow fails to tackle why,.. Leaving out the facets of internal and external sabotage and treachery. I feel twas impossibly narrow. Meanwhile... Its also true that simpering Europe venerates wimin and children, at the expense of men... More to my point anyway lol.
Fantastic. Thanks for posting.
This is a wonderful, fascinating and honest discussion.....unfortunately it couldn't happen in the US where reality and common sense have disappeared!
It could, but a portion of our society would have to learn the old saying of "suck it up buttercup" lol
Of course it can happen in the U.S.
The U.S. has stronger free speech rights than anywhere else on the planet.
Douglas has been in New York.
Europe has a lot to learn from Israel, a truly authentic country that has had to fight to survive. Israelis are proud of their country and what it has achieved in the face of Islamic aggression.
😂 Islamic aggression against Jews in Europe or Jews in an Arab land?
@@edwardjones2202 Arab land ? Under what criteria? Under whose jurisdiction?
That was really good, no essence of fear to be honest and direct. We in the West have lost that and I hope we can re-learn it again. Politics, I think, needs to come back to the center before we descend into civil war through tribalism.
I really admire Douglas Murray, but how he's managed to stay alive this long is a mystery.
Anyone who dares to criticise the religion of peeeeeeace, their head usually falls off their shoulders.
Patriotism is a better word than Nationalism
His bless the truth tellers who fight this evil.
I stand with Israel. Israel is the enemy of no one and the friend of no enemy. We must stand our ground. There is just so much of it .
@final boss I can only give you my personal opinion about the UK where I am happy to say I love visiting and have many friends. There is antisemitism everywhere since there are bigots in all societies. Many continental Jews found shelter in the UK after and during WW2 and were welcome, some stayed and became successful in the UK in various degrees, others left for other shores. British history does exhibit periods of institutionalized antisemitism in the more distant past but British Jews enjoyed more freedom and the benefits of living in a far less inimical country in the last century. And that is a credit to the British emotional and intellectual maturity. Cheers!
Absolutely enjoyed the first speaker. He's excellent. Back to the video.
This is so thought-provoking in December 2023.
Douglas's final points where some of the most eloquent things I've heard, and actually changed my perspective on Israel a little bit.
Israel is a beacon of light and an example of what's possible in the Middle East. A multicultural democratic high tech economy, a nation constantly striving to be the best it can be.
Contrast this with it's one of it's neighbors who's sole purpose seems to be the destruction of others and all too often the destruction of itself. It's leaders driven by religious fanaticism, hatred and corruption and have no care for anyone, not even their own people.
By contrast, the Jewish people have a rich culture and an attachment to a land which tragically was occupied by foreign powers for most of recorded history. This is a people who have seen more persecution than most. It beggars belief that Israel is framed as the aggressor in the region. If one had to live in the Middle East, there would be no better place than Israel.
Israel a beacon of light lol dont make me laugh
beacon of destruction@@toby9999
@@adilabbas8628Because you think Hamas is the light 💡 in the tunnel.
@@adilabbas8628 your jealousy is showing.
Excellent points and counter points raised all around.
Very interesting. I´m interested in Israeli and Jewish views on this mad period.
The fight for democracy is only just beginning? But I’m convinced that democracy will prevail:) xxxx well done all those individuals who are fighting for truth and justice xx
I think Douglas is his own person despite his career and some/many people hate him for it
Hate? Jealousy and envy more like.
I Absolutely love, love this little man who sat on left.
Excellent - please SHARE it people - everywhere - Facebook Twitter etc . Especially is Europe, US, Canada, Aus, NZ
Some countries (Germany, Sweden) are becoming Athens on the outside and Sparta on the inside.
Douglas Murray speaks common sense.
Which is why he doesn't make headway: if he instead appealed to people's blind stupid emotions, perhaps using stupid rhymes, then maybe that would work.
I think [it was] Dr Dina was right about revenge. Every time the Jews were kicked out of the country they were in that economy floundered to the point where they were sometimes invited back. So, it’s going to fascinating to see what Europe will do when they realise what the incoming Arabs contribute.
its incredible to see this 4 year old video knowing what we know now on the state Europe and the US is in, i think when they said that the west will be in trouble they thought back then it will be in decades time, not 4 years later, and the snowball keeps rolling and getting bigger.
You mean the arab contribute will be a problem in what sense? Financially?
At the moment the swedish system is struggling because the welfare all on the immigrants who don’t work or do less qualified jobs.
Or you mean in terms of criminality?
We only have to choose 😂😢
@@ct5965totally. Not even I would have imagined the current situation let’s say before the pandemic
@@igor-d.6008 the global chess board is even more complex, i read somewhere that by russian and chinese instructions, 3rd world countries empty their prisons and with the help of the cartels fludding the US with those people, but its not verified yet..
@@igor-d.6008 when one considers how ordinary Palestinian Arabs also joined in on the looting and attacks on Israeli civilians on October 7;
the thousands regularly protesting every week, and;
Civil wars in many of the neighbouring Arab countries.
What are your expectations? Mine are not so good.
thank you
very great and enjoyable discusstion.
Thank you !
It's long and I haven't seen it yet but it's on my list.
Very good wrap up at the end.....
Douglas and Dan are the two best people alive.
Douglas is a legend.
legend at gay acts
@AC-mp7cx your point being?
Murray: 'If you have nothing to live for, you have nothing to die for'. The reverse is also true: If you have nothing to die for (i.e., that is worth it), you have nothing to live for.
Live for eternal life by following Jesus!! We have an eternal soul that is here to evolve!! The narrow path to good, to the Lord or the wide path to destruction in all that is wrong.
Where were you 15 year before massive immigration but God bless you to protect you country value
Uk people should salute you
Is the full video still available somewhere? The link to FB does not seem to work (any more). I would love to hear the speech Douglas Murray is concluding at the start of this video.
Anyhow, thanks for sharing - having both Douglas Murray and Dan Scheuftan in the same event is incredible. Dan Scheuftan is not as well known in Europe but he should be - we have a lot to learn from listening to him.
Great to see DM with the people and country he really cares about. He should consider emigrating there.
I hear the neighbours are big troublemakers.
I hear the neighbours are big troublemakers.
Amazing. All very literate and articulate and saying things as they are. Europe had better wake up
a dream team of clear thought.
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King Jr.
This was a great discussion particularly Douglas Murray who was excellent in his insight into Europe today.. Looking at this in Jan 1 2024 and I am sorry to say the amount of anti-semitism I see in the main stream media and in all leftwing parties and supporters is shocking - never thought this would happen.
Indeed but read about what Denmark and Sweden are doing. France even. Europe is realizing that bringing in millions of migrants isn’t all sunshine and roses.
Very realistic and excellent conversations
We Indians need to learn a lot from Israel governments and Israeli citizens to defend the desi culture, country and its borders from the expansive religions and ideologies like Islam, communism and idiotic isms of yhe world
Jewish people and Israelis are real brave hearts and hats off to them 👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
We don't need your support, you dirthy idol worshiper!! our father Abraham destroyed Idols and we have zero sympathy with the shithole, which you call India. Our political leaders take advantage of your stupid leaders, but you idiots don't even notice.
What does the gow muttar and goa you eat and drink taste like. And whats the procedure to pray to the 🐀
@@muhammadishaq7358
Whatever you are asking is well written in your holy book and in the Sunna of your sex maniac holy prophet.
Go and read to enjoy the taste of cow urine you asking for 😂😂😂😂
Hinduism?
Such great insights; a truly remarkable discussion from four wise panelists; thank you from the USA. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱.
'You Cant Build an Identity if you War on Your Roots '-Doughlas Murry
Dan is terrific . . I love Israel.
Thank you so much for this. Are there more talks in English available somewhere?
Great discussion but can we please ask a question and answer a question? When did every Q&A start this multiple questions at once business?
Murray said, can we trust ourselves with war? As the first moral value?
Thank god Israel has weapons and nukes...Europe is gonna need you guys to liberate us in the not too distant future.
Barb spectre, Erik Kaufman and George soros will liberate Europe. With extinction :)
In command and conquer games. It's china who will take Europe from Arabs lmao
@British Blue the arabs need support more than israel. israel can product its own weapon
@British Blue the arab get large amount new weapon and money from soviet and still lose even soviet soldier
Loved it. DM is the nuts! Although at 57:34 - I take the opposing view from that lady; I tend to think that national identity narratives and strong religion aren't mutually exclusive. One doesn't cancel out the other.
She was answering the question at 46:55. She wasn't suggesting religion cancels out national identity. Rather that whatever identity it is you're maintaining, you better trust in it yourself and spread that confidence to the rest of your countrymen. She's echoing the point in Murray's book.
@@perarheim1255 Thank you for engaging. And a fair point, Per. I do enjoy having my thought processes short-circuited. Very useful reply. Cheers.
מוריי דאגלס - איש יקר
Wise speakers
Awesome
JESUS, how do we get this to a larger audience?
Two types of human, the decent and the indecent.
Some really based Israelis here, especially the first speaker in the blue shirt!
@Joseph D'Orazio He wrote "based" you read "biased", two different things. You're both correct though.
@Joseph D'Orazio Exactly that, love her. Thanks for your comments too, not many people understand, or care, what a turning point the second intifada was on the Israeli psyche. Shalom from Jerusalem.
@Joseph D'Orazio Your grandfathers would of been of Reagan's generation or earlier. He was a Roosevelt dem and said the party left him. Likewise I think a lot of good people will "walk away" in the next 4 years as the dems have gone looney again. I'm American/Israeli so follow quite closely US shenanigans mostly by podcasts on ricochet.com, lot's of great shows. Is that a Japanese garden in your avatar?
We should remember that in Europe and in nearly all Democracies the values behind our laws and values are built on religious, Christian, values. Without that or to ignore or bury or divert from that we, as democratic nations no longer have a basis for our core values...which is what makes us different in terms of social and political values of Muslim and Communist and Autocratic countries.
Wow that was 4 years ago...
I don't know her name but she talks a lot of sense and I enjoyed her input
Dr Dina Lisnyanski
She has not missed too many bowls of lokshen by the look of.....
1:11:10 Despair not, on the "only state that has to defend..." the rest of the West are saying hold my beer. Who after all really has a unique claim to a culture, town or retirement fund? What is a nation if not a platform for future nourishment from whoever wants to live there, for which we bow for the graces while making sure not to appropriate or micro aggress? What is our history if not a long and broad flow of people randomly moving in and out from all across the world? What is a (white) race if not a pure figment of our imagination, waiting to be deconstructed?
And all of these poses are fail-safe. If they go down the tubes against all odds and bring a civilization with them, we'll all know who to blame - the men.
I'm a Swedish pro welfare state environmentalist. I used to think the left was so modern, fresh and cleansed of the loon. Meanwhile it mutated into this while I was looking the other way. And our right wing-block includes parties that flirt with the good people too, while the party that was right from the beginning is untouchable due to its murky origin. Proudly we march on, into the setting humanitarian sun.
And let me say about the USA, that the American left is the Mecca of identity politics. The "nation of immigrants" mantra has been gradually pasted onto the rest of us by proxy. So as to reverse-engineer and Americanize our past to harmonize it with our predetermined future.
Good old Douglas,he makes all the others superfluous to requirements.
1:12:00 and Im sick of that. Sick of the bastardization of words nowdays, especially those ppl try to make a "bad" word like colonialism, zionist, liberal. Colonialism being one & it was a net positive for the majority of places where it occured. Places that didnt end up better afterwards have other factors at play & many that didnt end up better then still arent better now & they cant use that excuse forever. I know speaking of Islam, the Muslim world still tries to blame the Mongol invasion for why they havnt progressed since then, but at the same time much like other ppl who try to revise history, nowdays many of them will try to take credit for everything no matter how absurd it is to try to take credit for most of the things Ive heard claims of. As for zionism, there's nothing wrong with Jewish ppl having a Jewish country. Many countries have been called "Christian nations" or "Muslim majority" countries. There has historically always been Jewish ppl in Israel no matter how many have migrated there post ww2 & its not like some countries like Saudi Arabia for eg its illegal to have, sell any nonmuslim religious materials there. Yet you dont see the world up in arms calling them zenophobic etc etc. The word Liberal, liberal is equal to liberty, democracy its what we can thank for freedom of speech etc. Our ancestors in the US & elsewhere in the world didnt come from countries where they had things like freedom of speech. Many could find themselves locked up or worse for speaking out against many topics. It shouldnt be used as a catch all term for these far left, marxist nutjobs & everything they do or try to do nowdays
Doug knew Hitch!🤔🙌
Until today I couldn’t think of a job Obama would be less qualified for than President, but poet is it.
Where is the first part of the Douglas Murray speaking? You know, the reason they are clapping???
Here it is: facebook.com/AheretZavit/videos/677274246067817/
צפיתי בפודקייס זה רק ב-2024. תמיד נעים לשמוע מדאגלס מוריי וכל השאר. שמעתי על דאגלס רק אחרי ה-7 באוקטובר. קשה היה להקשיב לפודקייס מבלי לחשוב וואו הם לא יודעים מה הולך לקרות ב-7 באוקטובר 2023 וכמה לצערי האנטישמיות גברה מאז הפודקייס הזה.
As Bernard Lewis said re Europe amd Islam: always ready with 'a pre-emptive cringe'.
All the values that we are proud of came from Torah, not from Europe.
*Progressive Assertions:*
1) Scarcity is *NOT* natural. Scarcity *_ONLY_* happens because of greed. Production isn't necessary; only sharing. At any time in the past, present, or future, universal prosperity is always possible, except for the greed of a few.
2) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism , as advocated by folks such as Noam Chomsky, is the way to go. No one needs prices to know what is worthwhile to do. Reason, and good will, are adequate to plan production. Labor is not a commodity.
3) Sovereignty should be based upon Good Intentions and not free moral agency. Corollary: Rule by Philosopher Kings!!
4) No one should ever have to suffer regardless of fault.
5) *_From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs_* (regardless of cost to everyone),... is still the best way to organize society,... but people are too greedy and selfish to make it work. It would be better for society to live as eusocial insects, than as human beings.
6) Why be satisfied with trade-offs when solutions suggest themselves so obviously!
7) Wealth is consumption, not production. We have our cake, not because we bake it, but because we eat it.
8) Results flow from will, and will alone. If good results are not forthcoming, it is *ONLY* due to either a lack of good will or the presence of an opposing evil will. It is *NEVER* construed that results are lacking due to a lack of knowledge. Knowledge, science, technology, skills, prices, etc., are just incidental details.
9) Lifeboat ethics reign always.
10) *Of course wealth is zero-summed!!*
All these suppositions follow very naturally from the *_FACT_* that people today are essentially the same as we were a hundred thousand years ago when *EVERYONE* lived in nomadic, and essentially egalitarian, tribes. Most people's ethical, moral, and economic intuitions are still the same as our ancient ancestors, so is it any real surprise that so many people feel alienated in today's world where, under modern markets, the relationship between cause and effect is so abstract. For many caring, empathetic, people, trusting in Capitalism and self interest and the invisible hand of the market place makes just as much sense as walking off a ten story building,... and expecting the outcome to be okay. Just like a computer, the market can not be argued with, or pleaded with, or persuaded to be different. To people who rely on their ability and skill to influence people, the cold logic of computers/markets is, of course, experienced as profoundly alienating. If reality offers little to them, then so much the worse for reality then! This is how keirsey.com/temperament/idealist-overview/ progressives think versus the way keirsey.com/temperament/rational-overview/ libertarians think. For more, check out www.cato.org/events/socialism-human-nature .
Basically the ideology of the Regressive Left (thank you Dave Rubin!) comes down to, literally, that wishing should make it so,... and if you even question the efficacy of such beliefs,... you're evil, you've bad intentions, you only say that wishing alone can not make it so because you must not really want it to be true.
They are insane. But they speak to something that is very deep in the human soul than tends to be experienced more as the world becomes ever more prosperous and free. For more, read Nathaniel Branden's essay, *_Alienation_* in _Capitalism, the unknown ideal._ The punch line is that those who want to experience liberty covet the ability and responsibility to think for ourselves,... yet, mostly being herd animals, the vast majority of humanity atavistically craves a time when a mere instinct for survival, automatic and understood, was sufficient to survive and prosper. It isn't today. It can't be. But the Regressive Left would quite literally prefer the extinction of our species, rather than acknowledge as true the Pareto Principle as it applies to people; that roughly when any number of people are involved in most any creative activity, the square root of that number of people are providing half the value (out of 10,000, 100 create half the value, and then 10 create half the value again, or a quarter of the value of the original 10,000; How could there not be billionaires then?). We are not blank slates,... we are not all equal to each other, or even to ourselves on different days. We differ in will, merit, and ability. And we most likely always will. But, as I noted above, much of the Regressive Left would prefer humanity lived as eusocial insects do,... so as there would then be nothing to envy at all.
*_To say that 'wealth in America is so unfairly distributed in America,' as Ronald Dworkin does, is grossly misleading when most wealth in the United States is not distributed: at all. People create it, earn it, save it, and spend it._*
~ Thomas Sowell
*_If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose -- because it contains all the distinctions of the others -- the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money'. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity -- to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality._*
~ Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
*_Americans are so enamored of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom._*
~ Alexis de Tocqueville
*_Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free._*
~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn
*_Freedom is essentially a condition of inequality, not equality. It recognizes as a fact of nature the structural differences inherent in man - in temperament, character, and capacity - and it respects those differences. We are not alike and no law can make us so._*
~ Frank Chodorov
*_The capitalist process shapes things and souls for socialism._*
~ Joseph A. Schumpeter
*_Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it._*
~ George Bernard Shaw
*_[The average man] is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty,... and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_Wonderful theory, wrong species._* (On Marxism, which he considered more suited to ants than to humans)
~ Edward Osborne Wilson
*_Any cook should be able to run the country._*
~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin
*_I believe that an atavistic longing after the life of the noble savage is the main source of the collectivist tradition._*
~ Friedrich von Hayek
*_A free man is as jealous of his responsibilities as he is of his liberties._*
~ Cyril James
I feel bad for the other speakers because i have skipped over their contributions for DM. At least I know they exist now.
Migrancy has been a fundamental fact of the human story since the beginning. The problems that we are all hand wringing about at this juncture reflect the apparent inability of successive governments and institutions in the West (or North, or whatever) to recognise the essential need post - enlightenment, to absolutely forbid religion to have any influence in govt. or any social institutions and infrastructure - schools, healthcare etc.. Britain allowed Thatcher to roll out a 'faith school' programme in the state sector that initiated the cultural basis for a 'divide and rule' strategy that continues to serve the elites - the most powerful of which are transnational corporations who care not a toss for bleary eyed, regressive notions of 'nationalism'. If someone comes to live and thrive in a region of the world then they must adapt. A genuinely strong culture, one based upon shared rights, values and most importantly responsibilities to that region (and exponentially, the economically, 'globalised' world) will make any absorption of the 'other' much easier. What we have complicity produced is a pathetic, infantilised, top down culture governed by consumption and insatiable desire traps rather than a broad, well educated (often best expressed as the autodidact and amateur spirit of enquiry, rather than a didactic absorption of what one is allowed to know by the corporate elites, to meet their needs). Britain was gently but irresistibly absorbing and adapting the medieval, misogynist and culturally and ethically 'inferior' muslim thing quite quickly and effectively - I was there - in London in the late seventies and early eighties when young people - the next generation - were rising as a unified, rational and secular force. The faith school project helped to dismantle this Real culture, along with a systematic and vicious dissolution of Real communities across Britain; the 'no such thing as society' delusion flogged by Thatcher in that ridiculous, chippy, aping, supercilious drawl that she had practiced to mimic her 'betters', whom she despised at heart, and to bewitch the masses, who never understood the true nature of their 'betters' but slavishly acquiesced to her clumsy and misrecognised wielding of the mimicry of 'power' as a 'comfort blanket', to calm their fears of actually having to act with responsibility. Where are we now 'culturally'? An amorphous consumer, addicted to everything from fast food and shopping to pornography and street drugs (which now form a significant part of GDP and conveniently maintain a self destructive 'underclass' where a unified, evolving and productive working class once stood proud.) Ask yourselves - whom does this miserable state of affairs actually serve? Work it out - it is rather obvious. It certainly is in part political 'elites' of all stripes but they only serve as managers of you 'the consumer' and all this prattling and nostalgia for an always fictitious, 'fixed identity' we have queued up to elide and dilute in and of ourselves, with its necessary scapegoats, chimera and shibboleths, is a very effective way for the same undemocratic and increasingly monolithic and hegemonic corporate 'elites', whom have always been the puppet masters, to thrive from our dissolution and moral redundancy. I mean we must have sunk pretty low when women are converting to a medieval mumbo-jumbo cult that requires them to wear a bag over their faces, as preferable to the 'culture' we espouse. Having lost all sense of responsibility, any true ethics, we slavishly traipse towards a destructive and expensive 'civil war' with the Jihadi cult that has been tacitly and intentionally encouraged by every government since at least 1979. The French seem to have the most courage in respect to this 'cultural' problem and they are, most tellingly, the most centrist and 'actively' democratic country in Europe - yes Europe, that despised progenitor of all evil that spawned the industrial revolution and the Enlightenment (I obviously include Britain as culturally and regionally part of Europe). Stop, 'believing' what you want to hear, stop wallowing in regional and cultural division and start finding out the nuanced and complex truth, people (this will require a thirst for knowledge and a real effort of course).
Douglas Murray, known for his eloquence and articulation, is often criticized for his controversial views on Islam, which many perceive as Islamophobic and racist. With his distinct communication skills, he could potentially excel in Hollywood, particularly in roles such as a British antagonist or a colonial-era settler character
He play a Nazi in American movies about ww2 😝
Good
love the Jewish humor of this Yahudi man wearing the blue shirt 😂
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Strange format. A couple of important panel speakers from the university give their perspective and then Douglas gives his take on their perspectives. I would have expected a summary of his book as a starting, questions and ideas from the panel, and then general question and answer. I enjoyed it but I think it was a missed opportunity have the writer of the book in your midsts (unless there was a show before the one we see here)
45:45 : What does he mean by American elites going in the same direction as Europe ? Woke culture doesn't come from Europe. It is American stuff good or bad that is imposed to Europe these days, not the other way around as far as I know.
The 'cultural jihad vs jihad by the sword' question was never answered. And it was a good question.
Reminds me of the 1930s discussion rounds about too many jews in europe!
*_While Liberty is never Utopian, it is always Melioristic,.._* but that can *never* be good enough for the _left,.._ and so the world *burns!*
*_Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have._*
~ Harry Emerson Fosdick
*_Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others._*
~ William Allen White
*_The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves._*
~ William Hazlitt
_Where _*_love rules,_*_ there is no will to power, and where _*_power_*_ predominates, love is lacking. The one is the _*_shadow_*_ of the other._
~ Carl Jung
*_Where men cannot freely convey their thoughts to one another, no other liberty is secure._*
~ William E. Hocking
*_Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down._*
~ Frederick Douglass
*_It is important to remember, as has well been said, 'the essential characteristic of true liberty is that under its shelter many different types of life and character and opinion and belief can develop unmolested and unobstructed.'_*
~ Charles Evans Hughes
*_Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions._*
~ Joseph Labadie
*_Liberty is always unfinished business._*
~ American Civil Liberties Union
*_Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_Where liberty is, there is my country._*
~ Benjamin Franklin
*_Liberty is one of the choicest gifts that heaven hath bestowed upon man, and exceeds in value all the treasures which the earth contains within its bosom, or the sea covers. Liberty, as well as honor, man ought to preserve at the hazard of his life, for without it life is insupportable._*
~ Cervantes
*_Liberty is not merely a privilege to be conferred; it is a habit to be acquired._*
~ David Lloyd George
*_Liberty is not a right but a duty._*
~ Ezra Pound
*_The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force._*
~ Voltaire
*_The inescapable price of liberty is an ability to preserve it from destruction._*
~ Douglas MacArthur
*_The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time._*
~ George Sutherland
*_The true test of liberty is the right to test it, the right to question it, the right to speak to my neighbors, to grab them by the shoulders and look into their eyes and ask, 'Are we free?' I have thought that if we are free, the answer cannot hurt us. And if we are not free, must we not hear the answer?_*
~ Gerry Spence
*_The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_[The average man] is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty,... and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air ~ that progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_One of the qualities of liberty is that, as long as it is being striven after, it goes on expanding. Therefore, the man who stands in the midst of the struggle and says, 'I have it,' merely shows by doing so that he has just lost it._*
~ Henrik Ibsen
*_Liberty is to the collective body what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society._*
~ Henry St. John
*_Liberty is the soul's right to breathe and, when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled too tight._*
~ Henry Ward Beecher
*_Liberty is the possibility of doubting, the possibility of making a mistake, the possibility of searching and experimenting, the possibility of saying “No” to any authority -- literary, artistic, philosophic, religious, social and even political._*
~ Ignazio Silone
*_The first step in saving our liberty is to realize how much we have already lost, how we lost it, and how we will continue to lose it unless fundamental political changes occur._*
~ James Bovard
*_A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty Is worth a whole eternity in bondage._*
~ Joseph Addison
*_Life without liberty is like a body without spirit._*
~ Kahlil Gibran
*_Liberty is not a cruise ship full of pampered passengers. Liberty is a man-of-war, and we are all crew._*
~ Kenneth W. Royce
*_Political liberty is nothing else but the diffusion of power._*
~ Lord Hailsham
*_Liberty is rendered even more precious by the recollection of servitude._*
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero
*_Americans have the mistaken viewpoint that Lady Liberty is only a peacetime luxury who is ill-equipped to fight the nasties. Therefore, they reason, we need an equally nasty Big Brother. Americans have forgotten that Lady Liberty is one ferocious mother when protecting her children._*
~ Mary Ruwart
*_Liberty is one of the most precious gifts which heaven has bestowed on man; with it we cannot compare the treasures which the earth contains or the sea conceals; for liberty, as for honor, we can and ought to risk our lives; and, on for the other hand, captivity is the greatest evil that can befall man._*
~ Miguel de Cervantes
*_Liberty is a slow fruit._*
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
*_What light is to the eyes - what air is to the lungs - what love is to the heart, liberty is to the soul of man._*
~ Robert G. Ingersoll
*_The spirit of liberty is not merely, as multitudes imagine, a jealousy of our own particular rights, but a respect for the rights of others, and an unwillingness that any man, whether high or low, should be wronged and trampled under foot._*
~ William Ellery Channing
*_It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed._*
~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin
*_Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal._*
~ Karl Popper, 1945