First let me preface my statement with this: I am an Army veteran. That said, I marched snare drum back in the 1990s. I can say from personal experience that Drum Corps is the hardest physical activity I've EVER done. Drum Corps was much harder than Basic Combat Training. After years of marching band and Drum corps, Basic was a breeze.
You know, I hear a lot of vets that have done drum corps say that. In fact, I don't think a lot of people know what a 13 hour a day rehearsal feels like.
+panda44r I marched snare in high school, DCI, and college. When I got to basic, idea of learning to march/run in step at any tempo was a joke to me lol. I was thinking "Pssh... try this at 170 bpm, crabbing 8 to 5 with a drum on, without missing a note... "
Face it bro. Your wrong. Even an Open Class Drum Corps works harder than most sports. I know this because I played football, wrestling, basketball, and track, and nothing has ever made me work as hard Drum Corps. Physically, it is the same as a sport. Mentally, it surpasses any sport. That's all the proof that's needed man.
How much harder does something have to be for it to be considered a sport? People consider cheer leading a sport and that is SO much easier than this. Golf is a sport and that doesn't take less than a single percent of what we people do. These athletes are to be respected and held to the highest degree of honor in sports. 12 hours a day 7 days a week of rehearsal in blistering hot weather, while playing instruments that require tons of air while RUNNING! Just how much more is needed for a sport?
There are plenty of sports that are competitive versions of arts - or arts reshaped by competitions over time. But, in truth, the true definition of a sport does not even require physical athleticism. Sure, it might in the popular imagination. But darts, archery and skeet shooting are all sports. Plenty of accuracy, skill and fine motor control. But not really anything aerobic or requiring great physical feats of strength or endurance.
It doesn't really matter if one considers drum corps a sport or not. The point of this video is not if drum corps is a sport, but examines the athleticism that goes into it. I will wholeheartedly agree that drum corps members are athletes as well as performance artists. The kids today are so much better conditioned that we were when I marched in the 80's and that has everything to do with complexity of the drills that are being done now. I know my heart still races at the sound of a drum line!
Who cares? He's an outsider who doesn't know, and he's trying to prove that DCI performers work as hard as athletes. It's everything every band kid has ever wanted. But I guess it's still not good enough. Also, in his defense, it technically is a set of drums.
I was in my high school band way back when. The amount of hours we practiced our show was unreal, now that I think about it. Band may not be a sport, but everyone in my band was in better condition that most ball players.
I'm 14 and march snare at my high school and I get what the guy is saying. As soon as I hear the band warm up it the drum captain tap off I get excited and start getting happy lol
These groups are awesome . The people who form in these shows are the best of the best. Know one knows, unless, you have see one of their shows..how.outstanding they are
xxxxxHUSKERSxxxxx except it was just proven to you that their heart rates match those of an athlete. It may not be a "sport" but it's just as physically demanding, if not more. And more than that, it's more mentally demanding than any sport. I've played football AND marched drumcorps. Drumpcorps was ultimately harder, because I was thinking about a billion things at the same time WHILE marching at 220 BPM AND having a 40 pound drum on me. It's not a "sport", but honestly I would call it even harder.
@@dillpickle6843 using the straight up definition of things is kinda dumb imo just cause you could say things like breaded chicken or breaded steak could be defined a sandwich but you wouldn’t say breaded chicken is a sandwich
+Kevin Mullen DCI was on ESPN a few years back around '05 or '07, It wasn't as good a broadcast as the late 80's and early 90's with Steve and Kurt on I think PBS. Mostly because DCI had just gotten to be a stickler about copyright, so the only did four or five minute clips. I may be wrong on a few things, feel free to add.
The length of the shows when we were on ESPN had nothing to do with copyright. It was all air time with ESPN and how much time was allotted for our program.
in terms of keeping the drums level and minimizing movement or the instrument while keeping proper technique in the upper and lower body, you're right quads are harder. But I think what he's saying is that the heart rate and air consumption would change dramatically for a wind player, because all they do is use air. Both are exceptionally hard though.
Plus i think it's possible to work hard enough to be able to join a world class corp, whereas in sports it's near impossible to make a major league if you don't already have incredible talent. In my opinion, drum corps is both harder and more rewarding. (I myself play in my high school drumline in both fall marching band and wgi, so I'm not in drum corp in case anyone is wondering)
lol and imagine how many people out there think marching band means nothing, or goes no where. they should see this, and then say marching band is easy.
I agree with HUSKERS, I don't consider it a sport because it's an entirely seperate entity. Most sports don't require the immense mental component that drum corps does.
@@325bpm6 325, you got me. The definition alone defines it as a sport. I would take it down but I feel like it’s better to say; bands a sport and people participating in band gives them happiness I encourage it.
@MLGcinamin53 Thats true but marching band is nothing compered to DCI. Which is what this video is talking about, dci members. Not marching band. People cant march in HS cause they hate it or are just plain lazy not cause its hard.
Heart rate going up to 180bpm through the sympathetic program isn't an indicator of athleticism. I can be scared shirtless, but that doesn't mean that my oxygen consumption and heart rate indicates athleticism. It just means stress, excitement, and/or anxiety. In reality, there's a lot of confounding elements to this study. Yet it's being posed as "they are about as athletic as a football player."
@@325bpm6 If you look into how the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems actually work, then you'd know how messed up his study actually is. I'm guessing you don't and the only thing you can defer to is your experience of marching. Unfortunately for you, I did the whole marching thing, and I'm still pretty sure that this thing does not rival that of water polo and football. Why? Because anybody who can be described as a "normal kid" can be in a marching band. Strength and conditioning is almost non-existent, and injuries are unlikely save for someone tripping and getting smashed by a falling tuba.
@@stevennguyen4993 you’re right, i don’t understand how these bodily systems work, i don’t claim to know any of that. i think your appraisal of this study is biased towards that one point that he made, because while he did make claims about the sympathetic nervous system, he only claimed those to apply to heart rate. he didn’t say that the oxygen consumption was due to the sympathetic nervous system at all, he only related it to heart rate; that’s how he justified his heart rate staying the same, he couldn’t have applied that same logic to his varied oxygen consumption. in fact, he very clearly said that his oxygen consumption mirrored his activity on the field and stayed low when he was on the sideline watching. one thing i’d like to ask, what is your marching experience? what corps did you march when, what instrument, high school band, etc.? because, with all due respect of course, you keep using the term “marching band” and it makes me question your credibility.
@@325bpm6 No need to question the use of "marching band," because "marching band" is layman's term for a lot of groups involving instruments that can do things like walking in a formation down the street, or doing a series of formations in a field show. If you go based on seasons (especially if you play in high school), there is "marching season" and "concert season." And just the like, there is "marching band" and "concert band." "Corps" is a category that "marching bands" perform. I've seen use of "marching units" but that's more to account for the non-instrument members of the "unit" That said, you questioning my use of "marching band" makes me think that you think too highly of the athleticism you can develop while being in a marching band. This is an especially significant tendency in people who are part of it and became emotionally invested in it. Because if you want to go full hoity-toity on semantics, you have probably dropped the idea of the drum and bugle corps to be completely separate from the concept of "marching band" even though it is merely a category of what a marching band can do. Likely to separate high school marching bands from what I call "adult" marching bands (which I don't really recommend unless you have time, money and absurd level of passion towards, cause idk any other adult professions that YOU pay to join so YOU can sacrifice more time and energy on it, which may be another reason for the distinction that promotes ego of its members, cause some of these folks seem to go too far). But regardless of experience, anyone with a decent level of fluency in the psychosomatic systems would realize how confounded the study is. I find this typical in exercise studies involving exercise scientists who are not at all well-versed in how to actually conduct research (at least, not to the level of a biologist nor a chemist who will spend 40% of their coursework doing actual research and lab reports).
@@stevennguyen4993 you completely misinterpreted my comment. i criticize your use of the term marching band *because* i consider high school marching band and DCI drum corps to be highly separate entities. a high school band director would be insane to require twelve-hour rehearsal days 5-7 times a week, and they would probably fired for trying. also, you didn’t answer my question at all and went on a complete and utter tangent at the mention of experience, so i no longer wish to continue this line of thought until we’re on the same page; clearly we’re not seeing eye-to-eye and no productive conversation can take place until this happens.
I understand the difficulty in being in a drum corp but definitely don't consider it a sport. It's still a performance. And how can you even compare nascar to this? Lol I'm not a nascar fan but still apples and oranges there.
chris thompson apples and oranges are on opposite sides of the spectrum but are still fruit as nascar and dci are on opposite sides of the spectrum but are still sports
i think that especially in modern-day drum corps shows, you could definitely consider it a sport, especially if you're checking out guard lol there's a lot more movement and choreography that was not in the picture back in the day, and you definitely need to have super good cardio to march as well. the lowest my resting heart-rate ever was is when i marched on the drumline for my high school this summer
In some ways its very difficult but in other variables that are difficult for drum line it is not even a problem. With that being said everything is the same but different things balance them out
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Imagine being able to measure the oxygen consumption for a contra or euphonium player.
Mastacheifa 118 I was gonna ask why they didn't but then I remembered they kinda need to play lol
Mastacheifa 118 now that would be something lol
They could air pattern into the breathing equipment...?
@@calebbeal3759
As a Euphonium player, that might not work.
@@Ryan-dz7mg lol
First let me preface my statement with this: I am an Army veteran. That said, I marched snare drum back in the 1990s. I can say from personal experience that Drum Corps is the hardest physical activity I've EVER done. Drum Corps was much harder than Basic Combat Training. After years of marching band and Drum corps, Basic was a breeze.
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You know, I hear a lot of vets that have done drum corps say that. In fact, I don't think a lot of people know what a 13 hour a day rehearsal feels like.
+panda44r I marched snare in high school, DCI, and college. When I got to basic, idea of learning to march/run in step at any tempo was a joke to me lol. I was thinking "Pssh... try this at 170 bpm, crabbing 8 to 5 with a drum on, without missing a note... "
Face it bro. Your wrong. Even an Open Class Drum Corps works harder than most sports. I know this because I played football, wrestling, basketball, and track, and nothing has ever made me work as hard Drum Corps. Physically, it is the same as a sport. Mentally, it surpasses any sport. That's all the proof that's needed man.
Josh Rodriguez-O'Brien dang these old youtube responses are the most confusing thing
Alexis Zaragoza I don’t have enough brain power to figure them out during my 4am RUclips sessions lol
All I know is, if Golf is on ESPN, THEN DCI SHOULD BE TOO!! Just saying ^_^
no.......
PREACH BROTHER!!!
How much harder does something have to be for it to be considered a sport? People consider cheer leading a sport and that is SO much easier than this. Golf is a sport and that doesn't take less than a single percent of what we people do. These athletes are to be respected and held to the highest degree of honor in sports. 12 hours a day 7 days a week of rehearsal in blistering hot weather, while playing instruments that require tons of air while RUNNING! Just how much more is needed for a sport?
There are plenty of sports that are competitive versions of arts - or arts reshaped by competitions over time.
But, in truth, the true definition of a sport does not even require physical athleticism. Sure, it might in the popular imagination. But darts, archery and skeet shooting are all sports. Plenty of accuracy, skill and fine motor control. But not really anything aerobic or requiring great physical feats of strength or endurance.
because a sport is free roaming and this is organized athleticism
It doesn't really matter if one considers drum corps a sport or not. The point of this video is not if drum corps is a sport, but examines the athleticism that goes into it. I will wholeheartedly agree that drum corps members are athletes as well as performance artists. The kids today are so much better conditioned that we were when I marched in the 80's and that has everything to do with complexity of the drills that are being done now. I know my heart still races at the sound of a drum line!
He called the tenors a drum set. Then he called them a drum kit and the quad player didn't say anything
Well he doesn't know obviously so.....
Chillfeedn It's easier just to go along with it than to try and explain it.
Yeah..
Who cares? He's an outsider who doesn't know, and he's trying to prove that DCI performers work as hard as athletes. It's everything every band kid has ever wanted. But I guess it's still not good enough. Also, in his defense, it technically is a set of drums.
I mean he's not wrong
I was in my high school band way back when. The amount of hours we practiced our show was unreal, now that I think about it. Band may not be a sport, but everyone in my band was in better condition that most ball players.
I'm 14 and march snare at my high school and I get what the guy is saying. As soon as I hear the band warm up it the drum captain tap off I get excited and start getting happy lol
+Brendan Daravong He couldn't stand the embarrassment of his boner so he chose snare to hide it
Two fellow freshman snares?
now you’re 24
These groups are awesome . The people who form in these shows are the best of the best. Know one knows, unless, you have see one of their shows..how.outstanding they are
PLEASE REMAKE THIS! 2020
I still love it when he says "put your drumset on" lol
xxxxxHUSKERSxxxxx except it was just proven to you that their heart rates match those of an athlete. It may not be a "sport" but it's just as physically demanding, if not more. And more than that, it's more mentally demanding than any sport. I've played football AND marched drumcorps. Drumpcorps was ultimately harder, because I was thinking about a billion things at the same time WHILE marching at 220 BPM AND having a 40 pound drum on me. It's not a "sport", but honestly I would call it even harder.
Look at the definition of a sport, its matches drum corps, I think its like a hybrid of a sport and an art
@@dillpickle6843 using the straight up definition of things is kinda dumb imo just cause you could say things like breaded chicken or breaded steak could be defined a sandwich but you wouldn’t say breaded chicken is a sandwich
+Kevin Mullen DCI was on ESPN a few years back around '05 or '07, It wasn't as good a broadcast as the late 80's and early 90's with Steve and Kurt on I think PBS. Mostly because DCI had just gotten to be a stickler about copyright, so the only did four or five minute clips. I may be wrong on a few things, feel free to add.
The length of the shows when we were on ESPN had nothing to do with copyright. It was all air time with ESPN and how much time was allotted for our program.
I suppose that makes sense, since they showed top twelve instead of top five, I guess. I kind of want PBS to do it again, like they did in the 90's...
Imagine running a mile with half of your lung support functioning...that's what it's like to march in a world class hornline.
in terms of keeping the drums level and minimizing movement or the instrument while keeping proper technique in the upper and lower body, you're right quads are harder. But I think what he's saying is that the heart rate and air consumption would change dramatically for a wind player, because all they do is use air. Both are exceptionally hard though.
you have to do all of that on an instrument as well. contra is probably the objectively most difficult instrument to march.
Do PIT next! Except do it when they are loading the truck, and measure stress levels also.
Maybe he should update the study. He did one in 1993 with a Star of Indiana and one here in 2005. Could be interesting to compare across eras
You sir, give me faith in humanity!
One time at band camp...
Is that Cavaliers? That's just a shot in the dark from seeing the visuals and marching footwork
Yes it is. 2005. The show was My Kind of Town.
is it different for a horn line player? since they are exhaling 80-90% of the time
Flurry98 It would be super hard to measure, but I'd assume so. Though our instruments aren't nearly as heavy, our oxygen intake must be sky high.
*Ahem* The contras would like a word with you...
Cavies, look at the marching technique
If someone says “Marching band is not a sport”
Show them this video
lol this clip has been uploaded since forever. :)
2018 reboot?
they should do this for contras
The problem is it covers there mouth so they cant play
Plus i think it's possible to work hard enough to be able to join a world class corp, whereas in sports it's near impossible to make a major league if you don't already have incredible talent. In my opinion, drum corps is both harder and more rewarding. (I myself play in my high school drumline in both fall marching band and wgi, so I'm not in drum corp in case anyone is wondering)
jackganleybrah nice I'm in my HS marching band and I play saxaphone
i love cavies
Edit: thanks for 3 likes
lol and imagine how many people out there think marching band means nothing, or goes no where. they should see this, and then say marching band is easy.
@GerryGuyCorpsGuy Would you like some fava beans with your flam drags??
I agree with HUSKERS, I don't consider it a sport because it's an entirely seperate entity. Most sports don't require the immense mental component that drum corps does.
i play mello and i record every run and you can hear me literally panting and even after watching drum corps videos they have sweat pouring
I wonder how different wind players will be. Brass players breathe a lot less while playing so it must be different.
Then you get those people who march in their HS band, and do drum corps like I did. It sucked going from marching DCI to HS band, lol.
you gotta give an explanation when you make an unpopular claim like that...
During the 2005 DCI World championship
0:56 that's my band director
and he isn't even a wind player
Dancing must be hard but they have more breathing time. Perhaps we should figure out how to measure the oxygen consumption of horn players
@NYtrumpet12 i never said marching was hard, but some people think that doing stuff like this wouldnt be hard, and yet they cant even march in hs.
Does band require a physical like athletes are required to get before they perform an actual sport?
For me, yes
@@joshuamaldonado1721 this is 2 months ago….let ….it…..go
They required it at my school
my high school band just started requiring a physical this year
@@325bpm6 325, you got me. The definition alone defines it as a sport. I would take it down but I feel like it’s better to say; bands a sport and people participating in band gives them happiness I encourage it.
Not when it comes to oxygen consumption which relates to heart rate too. Think about marching something like contra.
My friends thing marching band is really easy. Well sorry guys but there is a ton of proof hear that says otherwise.
Cavaliers 2005
Why? I would like to hear a valid reason. Is it because they're playing music? I would like to see you do this.
What exactly in your opinion makes an athlete
Look up the definition of a sport, read it, then tell me with a strait face, without lying, that you still believe marching band isn’t a sport.
@MLGcinamin53 Thats true but marching band is nothing compered to DCI. Which is what this video is talking about, dci members. Not marching band. People cant march in HS cause they hate it or are just plain lazy not cause its hard.
wait.........are you considering nascar a sport? where you do one thing........go left
@MLGcinamin53 Marching band is pretty easy. DRUM CORPS is extremely difficult. Those are two different things. Just saying
Heart rate going up to 180bpm through the sympathetic program isn't an indicator of athleticism. I can be scared shirtless, but that doesn't mean that my oxygen consumption and heart rate indicates athleticism. It just means stress, excitement, and/or anxiety.
In reality, there's a lot of confounding elements to this study. Yet it's being posed as "they are about as athletic as a football player."
you should go march, it would probably change your mind about this
@@325bpm6 If you look into how the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems actually work, then you'd know how messed up his study actually is. I'm guessing you don't and the only thing you can defer to is your experience of marching. Unfortunately for you, I did the whole marching thing, and I'm still pretty sure that this thing does not rival that of water polo and football. Why? Because anybody who can be described as a "normal kid" can be in a marching band. Strength and conditioning is almost non-existent, and injuries are unlikely save for someone tripping and getting smashed by a falling tuba.
@@stevennguyen4993 you’re right, i don’t understand how these bodily systems work, i don’t claim to know any of that. i think your appraisal of this study is biased towards that one point that he made, because while he did make claims about the sympathetic nervous system, he only claimed those to apply to heart rate. he didn’t say that the oxygen consumption was due to the sympathetic nervous system at all, he only related it to heart rate; that’s how he justified his heart rate staying the same, he couldn’t have applied that same logic to his varied oxygen consumption. in fact, he very clearly said that his oxygen consumption mirrored his activity on the field and stayed low when he was on the sideline watching.
one thing i’d like to ask, what is your marching experience? what corps did you march when, what instrument, high school band, etc.? because, with all due respect of course, you keep using the term “marching band” and it makes me question your credibility.
@@325bpm6 No need to question the use of "marching band," because "marching band" is layman's term for a lot of groups involving instruments that can do things like walking in a formation down the street, or doing a series of formations in a field show. If you go based on seasons (especially if you play in high school), there is "marching season" and "concert season." And just the like, there is "marching band" and "concert band." "Corps" is a category that "marching bands" perform. I've seen use of "marching units" but that's more to account for the non-instrument members of the "unit"
That said, you questioning my use of "marching band" makes me think that you think too highly of the athleticism you can develop while being in a marching band. This is an especially significant tendency in people who are part of it and became emotionally invested in it. Because if you want to go full hoity-toity on semantics, you have probably dropped the idea of the drum and bugle corps to be completely separate from the concept of "marching band" even though it is merely a category of what a marching band can do. Likely to separate high school marching bands from what I call "adult" marching bands (which I don't really recommend unless you have time, money and absurd level of passion towards, cause idk any other adult professions that YOU pay to join so YOU can sacrifice more time and energy on it, which may be another reason for the distinction that promotes ego of its members, cause some of these folks seem to go too far).
But regardless of experience, anyone with a decent level of fluency in the psychosomatic systems would realize how confounded the study is. I find this typical in exercise studies involving exercise scientists who are not at all well-versed in how to actually conduct research (at least, not to the level of a biologist nor a chemist who will spend 40% of their coursework doing actual research and lab reports).
@@stevennguyen4993 you completely misinterpreted my comment. i criticize your use of the term marching band *because* i consider high school marching band and DCI drum corps to be highly separate entities. a high school band director would be insane to require twelve-hour rehearsal days 5-7 times a week, and they would probably fired for trying.
also, you didn’t answer my question at all and went on a complete and utter tangent at the mention of experience, so i no longer wish to continue this line of thought until we’re on the same page; clearly we’re not seeing eye-to-eye and no productive conversation can take place until this happens.
What corp was this?
Cavaliers
Erich14 FWI is also the 05 show, My Kind of Town
With like 50 pounds attached to him then of course hes gonna go insane
This is the cavies right?
#marchonrome
You think that Drum Corps is your ally.
You merely adopted the Corps. I was born in it. Molded by it.
If he wanted to see something special he should've done a contra.
“Marching band isn’t a physical activity”
Does anyone have any idea which corps this is?
cavaliers 2005
Marching quads is much harder than a wind instrument.
MistaMobie no winds need way more oxegen
Way more oxygen but not as much stress on your muscles that you need to move freely. They are hard in their own way
And drum corps dont have winds
K2 Spy Brass is still a wind, just not woodwind.
Let’s just agree that Drum corps is hard
Yeah buddy.
quads is very very hard i will give u tht but wind players do alot more running and take in alot more oxygen
lmao!!!
What corps is this
What corps is this?
Cavaliers 2005
join a corp
Cavies ladders+no women=cavies
0:28 stop calling it a drum set / kit please omg
Madison or Cavies. It looks all male
Quads are hard...but contras are harder.
I understand the difficulty in being in a drum corp but definitely don't consider it a sport. It's still a performance. And how can you even compare nascar to this? Lol I'm not a nascar fan but still apples and oranges there.
chris thompson apples and oranges are on opposite sides of the spectrum but are still fruit as nascar and dci are on opposite sides of the spectrum but are still sports
i think that especially in modern-day drum corps shows, you could definitely consider it a sport, especially if you're checking out guard lol
there's a lot more movement and choreography that was not in the picture back in the day, and you definitely need to have super good cardio to march as well. the lowest my resting heart-rate ever was is when i marched on the drumline for my high school this summer
I'm pretty sure being a Guard member is much harder than everything else.
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In some ways its very difficult but in other variables that are difficult for drum line it is not even a problem. With that being said everything is the same but different things balance them out
yeah, that’s why we make fun of them lol