It's really remarkable to see how much Caesar's speech has developed through the trilogy, he starts out by speaking very little after gaining the ability to speak, then he speaks in simple yet effective sentences, and finally he speaks fluently, as if he's a human adult. Great way of showing not only the development of Caesar, but also how the virus has developed the brains of the apes to remarkable levels.
but what i also love with serkis's performance is that even if he does now speak english fluently, there's something not quite human with his tone. lacks the depth and nuance while also somehow being nuanced in another way
Honestly, I think it's even more ambiguous than that. The colonel really didn't have a choice. It was either the apes or humanity, regardless of what the apes did or what the humans did. It was a question of survival. He wasn't just a hero in his own mind, he was just doing what any conscious being would do: fighting for survival.
@@AustinRiggsFire He fought for survival by killing his offspring. A national hero obviously, completely sane and not unreasonably contradictory at all. Stupid avalanche, the survivors should´ve declared war against snow and firing against it like they fired bullets against people with Simian flu.
@MoonwalkerWorshiper If your child carried a disease that could essentially lobotomize humanity if it spread, what's really your option? He's no hero, but he isn't wrong in this case. Neither is Ceaser. Both species are at war for their own survival. If the apes live, humanity basically become what the apes once were.
@@RequiemPoete If my child carried a disease, no matter what that disease was, I'd be asking for a cure and put my child in quarantine in the meanwhile. Killing anybody is not on the table. It seemed like the Simian flu did a good job killing people already, it didn't need the colonel's assistance. The apes have no incentive to be at war with humans. They just want to live their lives at peace assuming the humans want the same. Killing the apes won't cure the Simian flu either.
You know what's sad to think about? This is likely the longest and most in-depth conversation Caesar has ever had with a human. What's more the Colonel is fully aware how intelligent the apes are and address Caesar as such rather than dismiss him as a savage or dumb creature (which makes his enslavement of the apes all the more monstrous).
Sometimes the hardest decisions have to be made and it falls to those who are willing to do what others aren’t to save the species it’s not right but many humans would’ve made the decision that he did especially if they have children you want to survive you want your children to survive if it was the only way there’d be certain things that make you question your morales but it has to be done the enslavement is too far but the genocide if done humanely would’ve been a sin and condemned the souls of many men and women who participated but allowed for their children to rebuild and make their sacrifice worth it
You think you would be a social justice warrior for another species while your own people hang onto life by a frayed thread? Give me a fucking break. If you were Humanities last settlement you would be just as brutal and real as the colonel if not worse. It's always the ones who see themselves as morally superior who give themselves the greatest warrant for causing destruction.
Well, Colonel did say that he was there for Caesar not them. And since for him and the surviving humans the choice is either to die or devolve, you'd probably have to be very cold blooded.
@Ganto Trusty Humans are apes. Humans, chimps, gorillas, bonobos & orangutan’s all stem from a recent comment ancestor. Humans are very closely related to chimps, because we have the most recent common ancestor compared to other apes. We slowly deviated anatomically because different groups were isolated and went down their own evolutionary paths. A house cat, lynx, Snow leopard and Lion are all cats belonging to the cat family. They’ve simply gone down separate evolutionary paths. Isolation leads to deviation. Like the Romance languages; all derived from Latin, but through isolation of populations Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc emerged. They’re different, but have a lot in common, and it’s the same with apes. Anyways, evolution has no route. There is no destination. Just random natural selection over millions of years; thus the continuous morphing of all organisms… until, well, who knows? Who’s “Better”? Man or Chimp? Objectively speaking, that’s a delusion of grandeur only us humans could conjure. Read ‘Sapiens’ by Yuval Noah Harari.
@@StuckonStupid84 They advanced to human trials too soon. Plus, the hero is the main fault for the virus spreading. He should not have raised Caesar at home since it is not a pet.
@stuckonstupid8473 But they were using animals like they were tools hence bending nature to their will and thinking that since animals cannot communicate like humans,they automatically have the right to do so- which is fairly arrogant.
The Colonel is clearly disturbed when Caesar reminds him that he killed Caesar's family. For all of his commitment to cause, he isn't completely devoid of emotion
He most definitely doesn't want to do what he's doing, but he made the decision to purge that feeling when he sacrificed his son, ceaser understands what a decision like that can do to a man, Koba was the result of the hubris of man, so man can only be seen as the enemy, Colonel was the result of Ceaser's good intentions were revealed to be paved to hell, so apes can only be seen as the enemy
I love how Caesar actually understands the gravity of the mutation. Such a situation means there can be no peace. Even he cannot blame the actions of the Colonel.
I don't know about no peace. Humans are infected, and are going to devolve regardless of apes. Most humans just want to leave the apes alone. The Colonel's faction is the only one actively wanting to purge the apes to maintain dominance, but the rest of humanity sees him as to extreme. They would rather take out the extremists that have declared war on everyone than fight the apes.
The thing is, he WAS wrong (to an extent.) The little girl they find CAN'T speak, but she's still intelligent. As in she adapts a new form of communication and is shown to process things well enough to see herself as an ape even.
“We tried to control nature, bend it to our will, and nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since.” An a awesome line! And an extremely accurate line that I’m afraid will become a reality that I hope I don’t live to see
The sad part is that ALZ-112 was supposed to just cure alzheimers, not some bioweapon that can kill humans by making them feral. Pretty sure everyone in the world would welcome that sort of research.
The saddest part: We KNOW the colonel is right. Everything he was fighting against happened in the future the astronauts end up at. And the descended of the infected humans became animals.
@@LukeLovesRose no he wasnt... the virus is going to unvolve humans no matter what he did... if he was worried about apes dominating humans he should have killed all apes when he had the chance.
@@adrianramirez8882exactly. It's not the apes fault the humans did this to the world, and now their end is coming and no amount of horrific warfare would have fixed that. In the end if the colonel won then there'd be no one to inherit the earth. The apes would be dead, and the humans would follow anyway
@@LukeLovesRose nah but the colonel tried to stop something that was inevitable and out of his control. He literally tried to fight nature. He got completely delusional and he started to think he was some kind of jesus who would save humanity. But in reality that’s prob because deep down he himself was scared and became desperate and irrational. Humanity was already doomed not matter what he did but he just couldn’t to accept it
That's what makes him such a good character. We've just spent the entire movie thinking the Colonel is a pointlessly brutal villain. He explains here his motivations, then goes on to later elaborate that the rest of the military thinks they can develop a cure to this mutation, as if the entire planet didn't just get wiped by the flu. He predicts the future perfectly and leaves you questioning what you would have done in his place.
The simian flu is the scariest virus by far in movies robbing someone of their humanity is a fate worse than death it mimics what the apes did to Landon in the original when they found out he was sapient they lobotomized him and took his humanity away possibly making him dumber and less sapient than the primitive humans he was caged with it’s truly a horrific and grim fate for humanity much worse than dying off in my opinion truly a well crafted plot and fantastically acted scene
Plus, ownership of the planet's top species title goes over to humanity's own kin. Great apes have greater physical power than humans, but now they have roughly matched intelligence. The virus basically re-ignited an ancient competition between hominids and other apes.
@@shawnsouth327 yeah thats pretty neat when we remember they humans haven't shared the planet with other intelligent primates for tens of thousands of years. The last cousins we lived alongside were Neandtherals and Denisovans but for a variety of reasons we outcompeted them. Side note: this is why I hate racism because all modern humans are very genetically similar since we all spawned from the same ancient peoples who lived in Africa. Some stayed there and move around that continent whilst the others migrated out. Yeah we look different due to the environment but on the inside we're the same. Its just like dogs and cats where they have tons of different breeds are still members of the same species except we focus on these tribal differences and fight. Planet of the Apes and other Scifi stories does a great job pointing out how alone we really are on Earth and the universe and we're all we got incase there are aliens out there
The Colonel is not wrong, after Caesar gained to his people the ability of speech, there was a price where Humanity has to suffer and eventually, pushing us back to the stone age.
Yeah but that also falls on the squarely on humanity not the apes. Instead of actually focusing on making a cure and pointing resources that way he instead chose the straight forward option of killing people including his own son
The irony of this franchise is that merci has been a detriment to those who give it. Will showed merci to Caesar by sparing his life and raising him, which began the rise of the apes. He tried to show his father mercy by curing his disease which caused the downfall of humanity. Caesar showed Koba mercy in their fight and Koba shot him. Caesar showed Preacher mercy and Preacher ended up fatally wounding him.
Thing is simian flu doesn't make humans less intelligent per say. Nova had to relearn everything but she eventually understood sign from maurice her name and I think she will eventually understand that she is human. It resets the mind to a primitive state but Life finds a way and we may lose speech but never our intellect.
the problem is, most surviving humans (which are VERY FEW) won't receive the same care that nova did. and are just stuck having to fend for themselves.
@@taliesincoleman6569 if I'm not mistaken it plays along to the way humans were in the original movies the humans that lived with the apes from the beginning (Nova's Descendents) while not capable of speech were considered quite intelligent While those who unlike nova suffered through the virus without a cure eventually ended up nearly the same as pre-stone age humans without the ability to speak and consider simply animals
@@SupportGamin2024 Not even a prequel, really. It's a prequel that leads to something akin to the original trilogy, starting with Kingdom, but Kingdom is basically a full-on reimagining of the original film, so it is just a reboot.
Could you imagine a seasoned war veteran colonel talking to an intelligent bat about how if we don’t kill you it’ll be a planet of bats and humans would no longer be the dominant species... hmm interesting but I doubt it’ll come to that.
Lol no it doesn't, im glad it not like its other stronger strain which caused people's lungs to fill up with blood, leaving you to drown from your own body. That wasn't cured but we survived that. Gov too worried about money instead of taking care of its own in the beginning so we don't continue to suffer in the future
Imo Ceaser sees Colonel is right. The Smarter Ceaser got and he still can’t see that his gift is wiping out Humanity, something he claims to care about. He acts out of anger and hate, something he hated Koba for. Ceaser is blind to see that in perspective that if he was in Colonels shoes, he’d do the same exact thing
This scene is so great. This is the break, the moment Caesar realize there is no way humans and apes can live togheter, or human kill apes or apes sick the humans, we see in the 3 movies how Caesar try to find a way yo get peace between the species and now there is no way "You have any idea what You mercy did to us? *A flame apears*"
@jackalnut3034 I think he means the virus itself. The existence of the evolved apes turns humans into primitive animals, which the coronel considers the absolute cruelty nature could do to the most intelligent species. I'm really sure what he means but that's my guess
He is definitely and also phenomenal as Caesar. The Trilogy is totally underrated. Also the supporting actors like Woody Harrelsson, he was great as the Colonel in this scene.
Those fucking animals can only mind survival for their own species but not us...That's the difference between animals and humans...Animals stay savage and they will never change because god created them that way.
@@michaelaarontyler8306 What are u talking about? Human are the only species that destroy other species. We are worse than animals. I know that religion is every choice and u can belive or not, but talking that god created animals is ignorant. A lot of species help each other, bcs they know it helps preserve the species when human can be selfish. If u think animals (btw humans are animals too) are savage just check human prisons, camps etc.
@@michaelaarontyler8306 i think this movies try to tell that we are not so different to animals, in fact, we are animals and we just need losses that who make you "special" to makes us just like another animals and ironic every animals just need that to make it just like us. The high inteligence comes with the "human condition" We want conquer, we want dominate others we want our own planet. Caesar not fell bad for the humans, because is not his fall be smart, he just realize that the peace he want is not possible
@@kentbrenden6630 but in doing so made an Oedipus moment. Tring to prevent something almost always allows it to happen. He couldve gone to a hospital and try to get some work done with them instead of allowing his old boss to maximize profit on an untested drug, creating intelligent apes and killing 6+ billion people.
@@righthandstep5 I though the simian flu pandemic happen because Koba got the human exposed to the virus who then made a stupid decision to try visiting Will instead of staying inside his home and phone call him, which consequently got the airline pilot infected who later spread it to the world.
@@kentbrenden6630 koba came about because of will Rodman's boss finding out what he did and the success it made, but jumped the gun by doing early tests and bringing in more apes, which included Koba for testing.
This scene does a great job showing you how similar these two leaders are but also different at the same time! Two leaders desperate to preserve their species but the difference is Caesar isn't willing to spare his own kind whereas the Colonel will kill his own kind to have victory of survival!
I agree with the Colonel. The virus was a major threat to all Humans. Ceasar's ideals were nice and comforting, but there was no way the two species could co-exist for long. Even if seperated, one will always mingle with the other and risk dooming them. It was a war that was bound to happen.
Utter nonsense. They couldve worked it out. Population sizes were small enough for both to tolerate each other. Plus, Cesar probably would've allowed some apes to join humans as Guinea pigs for testing on a vaccine for the virus itself. Consider this with small tribes globally, not contacted by colonists in asia, africa and south America. They're given their space by govts of respective continents and if required to, would be given resources necessary to survive.
But in terms of the virus; yes, killing the newly infected humans was their only option for survival but survival of human kind was still doomed. What was the Colonel’s plan? To have all of the healthy part of humanity live in a dilapidated prison camp with a wall made of sticks and mud being their only defense? The Colonel didn’t realize this but he was only protecting himself all this time for as long as he could. Being a senior special forces officer he’s dodged death countless times but being robbed of intelligence and speech was worse than death for him and that’s why he did what he did
@@righthandstep5 You can't outrun a virus, only slow it's spread. Indians didn't, modern countries didn't. Historically viruses are older and have more wins under then than humanity.
I love how Colonel doesn’t blame Caesar for humanity’s downfall but it doesn’t give him right to kill Caesar’s wife and eldest son and attack his people after Caesar offered peace.
@@MrKingYuji and that’s where his whole speech about humanity becoming primitive shoots him in the foot he already was an animal he didn’t need a virus to make him one.
I honestly think this is the best scene out of the whole movie. The Colonel really told his motivations on why he did what he did. Michael Giacchino did an amazing job on the music of this scene
If you think about it deeply, all of the villians from the apes movie, are pretty much created by the past villian. The Hollywood director and Jacobs set the path of hatred and revenge towards humanity for Koba, and in Koba's case, he spread the virus to the human researcher, which in return brought humanity to the brink of extinction, then Koba provoked a war, which pretty much set the path of rivalry and survival for the Colonel. The Colonel way of thinking trascended generations later and set the path of conquest for Proximus Caesar. All of them are the domino effect of fear between humanity and apes.
Despite how evil the colonel is made to look, you can really see that he didn’t have a choice in this matter. It’s either eliminate the apes or lose their humanity for good and be replaced as the intelligent species. They would have became like the 1990 movie where the humans were in cages and apes ruled the land. I can guarantee you anyone else in that position would have done the SAME thing. Even Caesar understood it, which is why he didn’t pull the trigger
He could have left the monkeys living in peace somewhere far away. The colonel chased the monkeys because he felt a deep hatred for them, most likely due to some irrational prejudice. If the colonel's philosophy was truly “zero viruses”, to the point of eliminating his own son, he would have killed all the monkeys instead of placing them inside his base and in his military ranks.
Colonel: "You're much stronger than we are. You're smart as Hell. No matter what you say you'd eventually replace us." Caesar "Sounds like skill issue. Cope harder"
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper Which is exactly my point he’s trying to stop humanity from becoming primitive I’ve been nice to him they might already be there the virus had nothing to do with it as far as we know it just takes away your ability to speak nothing else
I loved all 3 films and I’m surprised because they don’t really make any good trilogy now like I have seen some good ones but a lot are boring but these films was awesome.
@@Karlebow571he started an ape revolution which spread the virus that killed billions of people, he was raised by humans, so he still feels sympathy for them, as the remaining humans are experiencing are experiencing the reverse of what the apes did
This scene really puts into perspective how far Caesar has come and the growth of his character. Not just his speech, but his perspective on life. He went from being no much more than an animal to becoming more human than most humans. He even reaches a point where he calls out a human being and tells them that they’re behaving like an animal. He also understands the value of mercy more than most people do. Humanity took everything from him yet he still shows sympathy when he learns what the virus did to them. But at the same time he’s also emotionally torn by the whole situation especially when speaking with the Colonel. He doesn’t know who to feel sympathetic towards anymore and that not everything is black and white. He’s confused and has reached a gray area and that’s exactly what makes him the most human character in the trilogy.
The colonel practically summarized the entire synopsis for the next movie all in a nutshell right here. Also I've always been curious about what the heck he was eating? It looked like he was eating pickles or something, LOL 😅😂😂
You can see the compassion in Caesar's face. Caesar is a great role model for anybody. He is a great leader. I know he is fictional, but still, we can learn from him.
rewatching this movie trilogy, I just now realized that throughout all 3 movies, Caesar starts to slowly be able to speak in full sentences. In the first he says no more then a few words, in the second movie he is able to speak in broken English, but in the third he is able to now speak in full sentences without pauses
This scene to me explains a major plot hole from the original Planet of the Apes series. While in that series they covered how apes became intelligent and came to dominate the planet, it didn't explain how humans became dumb and primitive so that by the time Taylor had crash landed on Earth in the year 3955 they had become animals with only the most basic of intelligence, raiding the crop fields and being hunted by the apes. This scene really does foretell humanity's downfall.
This scene is a mirror of the scene from the original scene from Planet of the Apes 1968, when Taylor is talking to Zaius after his trial. Zaius is telling Taylor that humans once again gaining speech was a sign that apes would once again be dominated by man.
I think what I find most interesting about the Colonel is that he doesn’t necessarily hate the apes, but he certainly doesn’t pity them either. He’s just someone who sticks to the mission and doesn’t get emotional over things. He knows the apes are the result of the arrogance of man, and is just trying to rectify it. He is a ruthless, merciless, and extremely cruel human being. So cruel in fact, that Caesar is more human than he is morally and even calls him out on it. But he is loyal to his overall objective which is to save humanity. The scariest part about him I think is that deep down we all know that he was right. The world was in a desperate state and as a result created someone who was to be the tool to balance it. Someone without morals, someone without personal ties, someone who sticks to the mission no matter what. He’s like a machine that has been programmed to accomplish a task by any means necessary. And it’s why nearly everyone became his enemy in the end. He didn’t care what people thought of him or if they hated him. He just cared about the results of his actions. Overall a very simple yet interesting villain!
One of the things I love about this films is that that line up with the explanation of the original films as to how apes because so advanced and how humans went primitive after only a few thousand years. What a great way to tie up the whole story line
This will be the last conversation Cesar would ever have for a seriously long time. Given from what we see in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Humanity has suffered devolution.
One of the greatest villans of all time ,,We tried to control nature, bend it to our will, and nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since”
Picture what you must think of me. I think, you have no mercy. You came here to kill me. Were you gonna show me mercy. I showed you mercy, when I spared your men. I offered you peace, and you killed my family.
The look of sadness Caesar's face when he realizes the Colonel killed his own son for the good of his species. Its also then that he realizes that peace will be impossible.
The weird thing about the evolved Simian Flu is that we never see it actually rob someone of their higher thinking or do anything more than shred their vocal chords and take away their speech. The soldier in the snow was dying, so it wasn't possible to tell if he had lost his human intelligence. The little girl seemed retain her human intelligence, if not her voice. (Spoiler) The Colonel seemed to lose his intelligence, but considering the empty liquor bottle by his bed, he could've just been drunk or hungover on top of not speaking. If what he said about his son was true, then maybe he really did lose his mind because of the war. Coupled with the loss of his voice, the Colonel and the medic might've just came to the wrong conclusion. Considering that he only said that the medic and his son's caretaker only stopped speaking and didn't mention any devolved behavior, that might just be the case. But when you murder your son on a misdiagnosis, your guilt might not allow you to admit that you were wrong. That's my theory, anyway.
That explanation makes sense and definitely elevates the movie. When you first watch the scene, you have this little feeling that maybe the Colonel is right and just doing what has to be done to save the species, but then you see that Nova was able to still communicate with the apes, show compassion, help Caesar get food and water, and help the apes' escape plan, and you realize that no de-evolution actually occurs. Even the other infected people we see (The dying soldiers in the snow) still know what's going on around them. The infected Colonel still has enough mental faculties to drink to deal with the pain, and he's still able to make the decision to end his life at the end. It's most likely that he realizes that the virus doesn't take any development away from the victims, and everything that he did/became/sacrificed was pointless. In the end, after all of his attempts, he was the only one that lost his humanity.
was he? He was insane... why did he have to kill his child? eventually he killed himself because of that... he didnt killed all the apes when he could so apes wont dominate devolved humans in the future...
The Colonel is basically the human equivalent to Koba. Koba hates humanity because he’s experienced nothing but suffering at their hands, and the Colonel has lost everything because of the apes and the virus, even having to put down his own son. He even loses his ability to speak and takes his own life in the end. And Koba was the one that spread the virus in the first place
I show more sympathy for the Colonel and his troops, than I do for most of the apes. Edit: 3 years later, uhhh in hindsight id say I sympathize with both pretty equally.
I personally think enslavement of the other species hurts one’s brownie points on the sympathy chart, but I understand where your coming from. Then again, where humans ever good for this world?
@stingerjohnny9951 Humans are the only species who understand and have the knowledge on how to grow plants, creating more food without the need to destroy other habitats. Humans create modern medicine to eliminate diseases so that less people and animals die. Humans have political systems where the might doesn't always make right. Humans are able to protect endangered species from extinct. Humans create technology so that the less capable has a chance to live life normally and make life more energy efficient without dying. No other animal is capable of such feats. Humans are absolutely a good of this earth, people just like to see the negative side of us.
Am I the only one that was rooting for the humans the entire time? Caesar stole the virus which is why it became un-contained. I loved him as a character, but people somehow forget that he is the bane of this entire series. From start to finish. And the humans only sin was covering up their failure at containment. That’s why I think in the end, caesar realized that it was all his fault, and it is wasn’t as simple as saying sorry. Loved the series, but peoples sudden sick love for simians was cringe. They’re more wild than us, plus stronger, doesn’t make them the better species.
You're not the only one. My brother and I rewatched the series recently and our respect for the Colonel remained unchanged. Also, I would say it was not Caesar's fault, rather Gen-Sys and their staff, since the virus had already begun to spread when they failed to properly restrain Koba and his attempted escape led to a gas leak of the virus, which infected Franklin, then the airline pilot, and then countless others.
@@catphuckers Ceasar stole the viral that became uncontained. And i already said the only thing the humans fucked up was containment. But people hating humans and loving on monkeys is so cringe.
What makes us any better, look at the horrible things humans do to other humans we arent some perfect race either. In the end its simply a matter of darwanism, the only thing that keeps humans at the top of the evolutionary food chain is our intelligence, now give intellgience to a group of animals that are already physically stronger then us and we arent so special any more.
Talk about saving humanity and higher thinking yet an ape and his army can speak and fight because humanity was stupidly testing on them in the first place. Humanity always deserves what it gets in these movies 😂 even if the colonel is doing things for his family he’s still part of the stupid group
Humans became their own worst enemy. Apes managed to climb ahead in the aftermath. But apes conflict with each other just like humans do. The POTA series is simply about a political changing of hands.
@@NexusGaming857 Well even now when they must stick together at any cost they are still bickering and quarreling over disagreements and fighting each other so yeah humanity sucks.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Your average ape is far stronger than your average human. Like Colonel said it is only natural that Apes would replace humans once gaining equal intelligence. Banding together or not, it doesn't matter, humans are doomed either way especially of the Simian Flu devolving the survivors.
The first movie was all about how the virus that both wiped out humanity and elevated ape intelligence was created by humans trying to cure alzheimer's
One thing I don't get though, if the mutated virus means the Colonel has to exterminate the apes, then why does he have no problem with him and his men being in close proximity to them? Also, while the mutation robs humans of speech, it doesn't seem to turn them into mindless beasts. Young Nova seemed to display complex emotions and intelligence.
What must have pissed Cesar off with the Colonel besides killing his wife and first-born son is that the Colonel killed his own son for his own twisted delusions of being the salvation of humanity.
It’s really hard to watch this when the “bad guys” are us who are desperate to survive and not be reduced to mindless beasts. I’ve heard of rooting for the empire but I think this a more sympathetic reason to.
how did people never comprehend that the colonel is the hero of the movie for us humans. the danger that is represented by this evolution of the virus is a threat to us that goes beyond are wildest nightmare. It devolves us into primitive beasts without our intellect. we lose everything that makes us human. we lose the capacity to separate ourselves from the night mare that is nature that the rest of life is condemned to. No only this but there is another hominid species now on other that rivals us at our peak. Imagine how they would torture and humiliate us, especially in lieu learning the experiments that we routinely did to our ancestors. Stopping this occurence would literally be more important than anything else in our history and its not even close. ANYTHING would be on the table. In my opinion human extinction is preferable to what they colonel is trying to avert.
It's really remarkable to see how much Caesar's speech has developed through the trilogy, he starts out by speaking very little after gaining the ability to speak, then he speaks in simple yet effective sentences, and finally he speaks fluently, as if he's a human adult. Great way of showing not only the development of Caesar, but also how the virus has developed the brains of the apes to remarkable levels.
Yup. He is becoming more like humans than just their ability to speak, as seen in his actions throughout this movie. Really interesting.
How many times have I seen a comment like this🙄
And andy serkis’ development as well, given he is a terrific actor
It is remarkable! This is the kind of thing that makes me theorize on the origin of Zootopia.
but what i also love with serkis's performance is that even if he does now speak english fluently, there's something not quite human with his tone. lacks the depth and nuance while also somehow being nuanced in another way
The Colonel really defines the "Every villain is the hero of his or her own story" quote.
Honestly, I think it's even more ambiguous than that. The colonel really didn't have a choice. It was either the apes or humanity, regardless of what the apes did or what the humans did. It was a question of survival.
He wasn't just a hero in his own mind, he was just doing what any conscious being would do: fighting for survival.
I can’t believe that colonel guy just explained to us from the movie.
@@AustinRiggsFire He fought for survival by killing his offspring. A national hero obviously, completely sane and not unreasonably contradictory at all. Stupid avalanche, the survivors should´ve declared war against snow and firing against it like they fired bullets against people with Simian flu.
@MoonwalkerWorshiper If your child carried a disease that could essentially lobotomize humanity if it spread, what's really your option? He's no hero, but he isn't wrong in this case. Neither is Ceaser. Both species are at war for their own survival. If the apes live, humanity basically become what the apes once were.
@@RequiemPoete If my child carried a disease, no matter what that disease was, I'd be asking for a cure and put my child in quarantine in the meanwhile. Killing anybody is not on the table. It seemed like the Simian flu did a good job killing people already, it didn't need the colonel's assistance.
The apes have no incentive to be at war with humans. They just want to live their lives at peace assuming the humans want the same. Killing the apes won't cure the Simian flu either.
You know what's sad to think about? This is likely the longest and most in-depth conversation Caesar has ever had with a human. What's more the Colonel is fully aware how intelligent the apes are and address Caesar as such rather than dismiss him as a savage or dumb creature (which makes his enslavement of the apes all the more monstrous).
Nothing monstrous about enslaving those damn dirty apes.
I wasnt a huge fan of Harrelson until I saw this movie he seems born to play the Colonel he nailed the complexity of the character
To be fair that’s not true. You mean in Human speech, but in sigh language he had complex conversations.
Sometimes the hardest decisions have to be made and it falls to those who are willing to do what others aren’t to save the species it’s not right but many humans would’ve made the decision that he did especially if they have children you want to survive you want your children to survive if it was the only way there’d be certain things that make you question your morales but it has to be done the enslavement is too far but the genocide if done humanely would’ve been a sin and condemned the souls of many men and women who participated but allowed for their children to rebuild and make their sacrifice worth it
You think you would be a social justice warrior for another species while your own people hang onto life by a frayed thread? Give me a fucking break. If you were Humanities last settlement you would be just as brutal and real as the colonel if not worse. It's always the ones who see themselves as morally superior who give themselves the greatest warrant for causing destruction.
"I offered you peace and you killed my family". Damn imagine how cold blooded you'd have to be
Well, Colonel did say that he was there for Caesar not them. And since for him and the surviving humans the choice is either to die or devolve, you'd probably have to be very cold blooded.
Or your a crocodile. And ur naturally cold blooded. . .
@Ganto Trusty Humans are apes. Humans, chimps, gorillas, bonobos & orangutan’s all stem from a recent comment ancestor. Humans are very closely related to chimps, because we have the most recent common ancestor compared to other apes. We slowly deviated anatomically because different groups were isolated and went down their own evolutionary paths. A house cat, lynx, Snow leopard and Lion are all cats belonging to the cat family. They’ve simply gone down separate evolutionary paths. Isolation leads to deviation. Like the Romance languages; all derived from Latin, but through isolation of populations Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc emerged. They’re different, but have a lot in common, and it’s the same with apes.
Anyways, evolution has no route. There is no destination. Just random natural selection over millions of years; thus the continuous morphing of all organisms… until, well, who knows? Who’s “Better”? Man or Chimp? Objectively speaking, that’s a delusion of grandeur only us humans could conjure. Read ‘Sapiens’ by Yuval Noah Harari.
@Ganto Trusty It’s not a competition for superiority.
@Ganto Trusty How dare you ask a question like that.
Everything abt this scene is incredible. The acting, the cgi on caesar the music. Amazing
This is how you do a scene where two characters are trying to understand one another and their intentions!
@Ganto Trusty "Hey Joe" - Jimi Hendrix
"... I had to sacrifice my own son, so the humanity could be saved"
Woody Harrelson 3;16
That cold.
That cruelty or evil.
feeds into the alpha-omega stuff they painted everywhere
@@kaininjathundermmandopoke5167 that's not cold
That's STONE cold
@@novadyaomah3168 More heartless cold.
"Nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since."
Something for humanity to think of.
I don´t think he´s in position to reflect on arrogance like he´s... insightful about it.
They were just trying to cure alzheimers. Is that such a bad thing?
@@StuckonStupid84 No and it's not hard to figure that curing the Simian flu by killing people is the real bad thing, because it doesn't freaking work.
@@StuckonStupid84 They advanced to human trials too soon. Plus, the hero is the main fault for the virus spreading. He should not have raised Caesar at home since it is not a pet.
@stuckonstupid8473 But they were using animals like they were tools hence bending nature to their will and thinking that since animals cannot communicate like humans,they automatically have the right to do so- which is fairly arrogant.
The Colonel is clearly disturbed when Caesar reminds him that he killed Caesar's family. For all of his commitment to cause, he isn't completely devoid of emotion
He most definitely doesn't want to do what he's doing, but he made the decision to purge that feeling when he sacrificed his son, ceaser understands what a decision like that can do to a man, Koba was the result of the hubris of man, so man can only be seen as the enemy, Colonel was the result of Ceaser's good intentions were revealed to be paved to hell, so apes can only be seen as the enemy
you can also tell The Colonel didn't mean to kill his wife and child but is twisted by his own sick ways
He doesn’t want to acknowledge the weight of killing his own son
They both lost their sons
I love how Caesar actually understands the gravity of the mutation.
Such a situation means there can be no peace.
Even he cannot blame the actions of the Colonel.
That may be partly why he doesn’t kill him at the end. As much as Caesar despises the Colonel, he understands his actions.
I don't know about no peace. Humans are infected, and are going to devolve regardless of apes. Most humans just want to leave the apes alone. The Colonel's faction is the only one actively wanting to purge the apes to maintain dominance, but the rest of humanity sees him as to extreme. They would rather take out the extremists that have declared war on everyone than fight the apes.
He knows what it's like to see his people as caged animals with no future.
@@stingerjohnny9951 i thought not killing him in the end was because letting him live as a primitive would be an even worse fate for him
The thing is, he WAS wrong (to an extent.)
The little girl they find CAN'T speak, but she's still intelligent. As in she adapts a new form of communication and is shown to process things well enough to see herself as an ape even.
“We tried to control nature, bend it to our will, and nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since.” An a awesome line! And an extremely accurate line that I’m afraid will become a reality that I hope I don’t live to see
Its gonna happen one day or should i say already happening now, we have the same fear.
Unfortunately next generations will be the one to suffer for the sins we have committed.
Very similar to Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park. Mess with nature and it messes back
The sad part is that ALZ-112 was supposed to just cure alzheimers, not some bioweapon that can kill humans by making them feral.
Pretty sure everyone in the world would welcome that sort of research.
Jurassic Park in a nutshell
The saddest part: We KNOW the colonel is right. Everything he was fighting against happened in the future the astronauts end up at. And the descended of the infected humans became animals.
Exactly. Hes a little sick between the ears but the Colonel is doing what necessary against this virus.
@@LukeLovesRose no he wasnt... the virus is going to unvolve humans no matter what he did... if he was worried about apes dominating humans he should have killed all apes when he had the chance.
@@LukeLovesRosethe virus is worldwide, airborne, and has began to mutate. The Colonel was fighting a lost battle.
@@adrianramirez8882exactly. It's not the apes fault the humans did this to the world, and now their end is coming and no amount of horrific warfare would have fixed that. In the end if the colonel won then there'd be no one to inherit the earth. The apes would be dead, and the humans would follow anyway
@@LukeLovesRose nah but the colonel tried to stop something that was inevitable and out of his control.
He literally tried to fight nature.
He got completely delusional and he started to think he was some kind of jesus who would save humanity.
But in reality that’s prob because deep down he himself was scared and became desperate and irrational.
Humanity was already doomed not matter what he did but he just couldn’t to accept it
I really like that the Colonel talks to Caesar like he’s talking to another person and not an Animal.
That's what makes him such a good character. We've just spent the entire movie thinking the Colonel is a pointlessly brutal villain.
He explains here his motivations, then goes on to later elaborate that the rest of the military thinks they can develop a cure to this mutation, as if the entire planet didn't just get wiped by the flu.
He predicts the future perfectly and leaves you questioning what you would have done in his place.
The sorrow and compassion on Caesar's face throughout the whole scene. What a performance.
It’s so interesting watching Caesar go from one word to broken, tribal English to fully fluent and even articulate in this film.
well in-universe these films take place many years a part
He was the smartest of the bunch since he was technically the first.
The simian flu is the scariest virus by far in movies robbing someone of their humanity is a fate worse than death it mimics what the apes did to Landon in the original when they found out he was sapient they lobotomized him and took his humanity away possibly making him dumber and less sapient than the primitive humans he was caged with it’s truly a horrific and grim fate for humanity much worse than dying off in my opinion truly a well crafted plot and fantastically acted scene
I think the virus in WWZ is scarier.
Plus, ownership of the planet's top species title goes over to humanity's own kin. Great apes have greater physical power than humans, but now they have roughly matched intelligence. The virus basically re-ignited an ancient competition between hominids and other apes.
@@robwalsh9843 exactly
@@shawnsouth327 yeah thats pretty neat when we remember they humans haven't shared the planet with other intelligent primates for tens of thousands of years. The last cousins we lived alongside were Neandtherals and Denisovans but for a variety of reasons we outcompeted them.
Side note: this is why I hate racism because all modern humans are very genetically similar since we all spawned from the same ancient peoples who lived in Africa. Some stayed there and move around that continent whilst the others migrated out. Yeah we look different due to the environment but on the inside we're the same. Its just like dogs and cats where they have tons of different breeds are still members of the same species except we focus on these tribal differences and fight.
Planet of the Apes and other Scifi stories does a great job pointing out how alone we really are on Earth and the universe and we're all we got incase there are aliens out there
@@Spongebrain97 humans are a too selfish by nature to share the planet with another species
The Colonel is not wrong, after Caesar gained to his people the ability of speech, there was a price where Humanity has to suffer and eventually, pushing us back to the stone age.
Your comment is full of bullshit
Michelle Cheng stfu.
Yeah but that also falls on the squarely on humanity not the apes. Instead of actually focusing on making a cure and pointing resources that way he instead chose the straight forward option of killing people including his own son
@@spiderrocket8367 I forgot that it's also his fault too on why Humanity is screwed.
FireGate x124 he’s still an incredibly compelling violent who does have his merits though.
The irony of this franchise is that merci has been a detriment to those who give it. Will showed merci to Caesar by sparing his life and raising him, which began the rise of the apes. He tried to show his father mercy by curing his disease which caused the downfall of humanity. Caesar showed Koba mercy in their fight and Koba shot him. Caesar showed Preacher mercy and Preacher ended up fatally wounding him.
Thing is simian flu doesn't make humans less intelligent per say. Nova had to relearn everything but she eventually understood sign from maurice her name and I think she will eventually understand that she is human. It resets the mind to a primitive state but Life finds a way and we may lose speech but never our intellect.
the problem is, most surviving humans (which are VERY FEW)
won't receive the same care that nova did.
and are just stuck having to fend for themselves.
@@taliesincoleman6569 if I'm not mistaken it plays along to the way humans were in the original movies the humans that lived with the apes from the beginning (Nova's Descendents) while not capable of speech were considered quite intelligent
While those who unlike nova suffered through the virus without a cure eventually ended up nearly the same as pre-stone age humans without the ability to speak and consider simply animals
@@bernardosaldana9982 yeah, it’s basically a connection to how humans end up in the original planet of the apes films.
This series is a reboot and also a prequel to the original films
@@SupportGamin2024 Not even a prequel, really. It's a prequel that leads to something akin to the original trilogy, starting with Kingdom, but Kingdom is basically a full-on reimagining of the original film, so it is just a reboot.
Yeah.... The whole COVID-19 thing paints this in a new light right now lol
Bats are going to become smarter than humans lmao
@@Kroban_d4c nah, it was made in a lab or something.
Could you imagine a seasoned war veteran colonel talking to an intelligent bat about how if we don’t kill you it’ll be a planet of bats and humans would no longer be the dominant species... hmm interesting but I doubt it’ll come to that.
Lol no it doesn't, im glad it not like its other stronger strain which caused people's lungs to fill up with blood, leaving you to drown from your own body. That wasn't cured but we survived that. Gov too worried about money instead of taking care of its own in the beginning so we don't continue to suffer in the future
@@Kroban_d4c BRUCE WAYNE WILL SAVE US!
Imo Ceaser sees Colonel is right. The Smarter Ceaser got and he still can’t see that his gift is wiping out Humanity, something he claims to care about. He acts out of anger and hate, something he hated Koba for. Ceaser is blind to see that in perspective that if he was in Colonels shoes, he’d do the same exact thing
And that’s why these movies are so good! Ceasar is a deeply layered character
No
Cesser would not of done the same thing.
Otherwise he would of in the second movie.
They could live side by side.
@@nikkoshay5403 of course he would’ve done the same thing, idk what you’re talking about
@@christianmcmahon1029 he’s saying Caesar wouldn’t do the same thing. It’s pretty clear what he’s talking about XD
@@sub-zero6924 good for you
This scene is so great. This is the break, the moment Caesar realize there is no way humans and apes can live togheter, or human kill apes or apes sick the humans, we see in the 3 movies how Caesar try to find a way yo get peace between the species and now there is no way "You have any idea what You mercy did to us? *A flame apears*"
What did the colonel mean by ‘what your mercy did to us’ and ‘do you have any idea what your mercy can do to us’
@jackalnut3034 I think he means the virus itself. The existence of the evolved apes turns humans into primitive animals, which the coronel considers the absolute cruelty nature could do to the most intelligent species. I'm really sure what he means but that's my guess
@@joseluis5055 ohhh like the virus was a mercy killing for humanity overstepping nature!!
@@jackalnut3034 the men caesar spared may have carried the mutation virus and could've infected the Colonel's group.
Damn ngl the Colonel is like the Thanos of the trilogy and also the fact he's bald lol
That's what you noticed
@@thouhidahmed7260 well, his head is pretty shiny
Bald villains are awesome
@@fl8281Bald people are OP as hell
Rise Jacobs = Loki
Dawn Koba = unltron
War the colonel = Thanos
Andy Serkis is one of the greatest actors on the face of the earth! Anyone who doesn’t think so is insane.
He is definitely and also phenomenal as Caesar. The Trilogy is totally underrated. Also the supporting actors like Woody Harrelsson, he was great as the Colonel in this scene.
@@fredrydmusic1 absolutely
Its a shame the oscars don't recognise motion capture performance other wise he'd have quite a few in his house
That’s very judgmental and selfish of you to jump conclusions about people who have different opinions about an actor who you admire.
@@fredrydmusic1 It’s very judgmental and selfish to jump conclusions about people who have different opinions about an actor who people admire.
That's just your opinion lol. He's a brilliant actor but there's so many more who are also brilliant.
Wonder what is going on through Caesar’s mind in that scene. Was he feeling guilt? Was he feeling for what would happen to the remaining humanity?
Those fucking animals can only mind survival for their own species but not us...That's the difference between animals and humans...Animals stay savage and they will never change because god created them that way.
@@michaelaarontyler8306 What are u talking about? Human are the only species that destroy other species. We are worse than animals. I know that religion is every choice and u can belive or not, but talking that god created animals is ignorant. A lot of species help each other, bcs they know it helps preserve the species when human can be selfish. If u think animals (btw humans are animals too) are savage just check human prisons, camps etc.
Caesar likes humans in general. He is not Koba. He would never wish for humans to devolve into animals; many of his friends are human
@@michaelaarontyler8306 i think this movies try to tell that we are not so different to animals, in fact, we are animals and we just need losses that who make you "special" to makes us just like another animals and ironic every animals just need that to make it just like us. The high inteligence comes with the "human condition" We want conquer, we want dominate others we want our own planet. Caesar not fell bad for the humans, because is not his fall be smart, he just realize that the peace he want is not possible
@ Simian flu is real
Do you know what is irony? Person (Will) who learned Ceasar about mercy for humans, killed a far more humans than Colonel ever could.
He tried to play God and God punished all humanity for it...
@@amitkenan3878 All Will wanted was to create a cure for Alzheimer's disease for his dad.
@@kentbrenden6630 but in doing so made an Oedipus moment. Tring to prevent something almost always allows it to happen. He couldve gone to a hospital and try to get some work done with them instead of allowing his old boss to maximize profit on an untested drug, creating intelligent apes and killing 6+ billion people.
@@righthandstep5 I though the simian flu pandemic happen because Koba got the human exposed to the virus who then made a stupid decision to try visiting Will instead of staying inside his home and phone call him, which consequently got the airline pilot infected who later spread it to the world.
@@kentbrenden6630 koba came about because of will Rodman's boss finding out what he did and the success it made, but jumped the gun by doing early tests and bringing in more apes, which included Koba for testing.
This scene does a great job showing you how similar these two leaders are but also different at the same time! Two leaders desperate to preserve their species but the difference is Caesar isn't willing to spare his own kind whereas the Colonel will kill his own kind to have victory of survival!
I agree with the Colonel. The virus was a major threat to all Humans. Ceasar's ideals were nice and comforting, but there was no way the two species could co-exist for long. Even if seperated, one will always mingle with the other and risk dooming them. It was a war that was bound to happen.
And still, humans lost...
Utter nonsense. They couldve worked it out. Population sizes were small enough for both to tolerate each other. Plus, Cesar probably would've allowed some apes to join humans as Guinea pigs for testing on a vaccine for the virus itself. Consider this with small tribes globally, not contacted by colonists in asia, africa and south America. They're given their space by govts of respective continents and if required to, would be given resources necessary to survive.
But in terms of the virus; yes, killing the newly infected humans was their only option for survival but survival of human kind was still doomed. What was the Colonel’s plan? To have all of the healthy part of humanity live in a dilapidated prison camp with a wall made of sticks and mud being their only defense? The Colonel didn’t realize this but he was only protecting himself all this time for as long as he could. Being a senior special forces officer he’s dodged death countless times but being robbed of intelligence and speech was worse than death for him and that’s why he did what he did
You are fucking naive 😂
@@righthandstep5 You can't outrun a virus, only slow it's spread. Indians didn't, modern countries didn't. Historically viruses are older and have more wins under then than humanity.
I love how Colonel doesn’t blame Caesar for humanity’s downfall but it doesn’t give him right to kill Caesar’s wife and eldest son and attack his people after Caesar offered peace.
They're mutant monkeys. Destroy them all.
Colonel killed his own son, I don’t think there is not anyone he wouldn’t kill
@@MrKingYuji This is what happens when scientists mess around with science the wrong way
@@hayleyyeager8008 Black and Jewish scientists*
@@MrKingYuji and that’s where his whole speech about humanity becoming primitive shoots him in the foot he already was an animal he didn’t need a virus to make him one.
These movies were slept on. A trilogy that knows what its writing about.
You are damn right Xana
I honestly think this is the best scene out of the whole movie. The Colonel really told his motivations on why he did what he did. Michael Giacchino did an amazing job on the music of this scene
If you think about it deeply, all of the villians from the apes movie, are pretty much created by the past villian. The Hollywood director and Jacobs set the path of hatred and revenge towards humanity for Koba, and in Koba's case, he spread the virus to the human researcher, which in return brought humanity to the brink of extinction, then Koba provoked a war, which pretty much set the path of rivalry and survival for the Colonel. The Colonel way of thinking trascended generations later and set the path of conquest for Proximus Caesar. All of them are the domino effect of fear between humanity and apes.
The situation shifted from Caesar facing a despicable mustache-twirling villain to a tragic case of irreconcilable differences.
Great scene.
Goddamn Woody Harrelson. He never fails at any role.
Blessed are the merciful, for they receive mercy.
I have show you mercy and peace 😁
Except Kletus Cassidy aka Carnage.
@@tylongkicks8821He had fun with the role, and although he wasn’t mind blowing, he was fun to see, same with Tom Hardy
Despite how evil the colonel is made to look, you can really see that he didn’t have a choice in this matter. It’s either eliminate the apes or lose their humanity for good and be replaced as the intelligent species. They would have became like the 1990 movie where the humans were in cages and apes ruled the land. I can guarantee you anyone else in that position would have done the SAME thing. Even Caesar understood it, which is why he didn’t pull the trigger
He could have left the monkeys living in peace somewhere far away. The colonel chased the monkeys because he felt a deep hatred for them, most likely due to some irrational prejudice. If the colonel's philosophy was truly “zero viruses”, to the point of eliminating his own son, he would have killed all the monkeys instead of placing them inside his base and in his military ranks.
Colonel: "You're much stronger than we are. You're smart as Hell. No matter what you say you'd eventually replace us."
Caesar "Sounds like skill issue. Cope harder"
I swear this was one of the best acting Woody Harrelson ever portrayed
1:37 I think it would’ve made a lot more sense if he said “He became primitive, like an ape”
All animals are primitive though
It doesn’t need to be said outright, but yeah, it would also highlight how humans are on the exact opposite path that apes are on
I think this is the best planet of the apes movie out of the trilogy.
I think it’s on par with the original one in terms of power and impact
I do think its great! But I do like dawn Just a bit more.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55Same! Both movies are 10 out of 10, especially rise and 1968!
This movie was a damn masterpiece!
i felt like the colonol and ceaser could have a staring contest
Watching an animal having a full conversation without broken English is kinda cool
Disney animals: hold my beer
@Mastnaer Ceef the sarcasm completely flew over your head friend
More like two animals having a conversation.
@@shawnsouth327no no he's got a point
I like to think on some level the Colonel empathizes with Caesar, but has already made up his mind what must be done to save his species
I´d say his ability to empathize is impaired. He killed his own child with no regard for love.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper which I think is a big part of this movie is the virus really turning humans primitive or are they already there?
@@mitchellneuhoff9946 The movies do depict society to be in some sort of moral decline.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper Which is exactly my point he’s trying to stop humanity from becoming primitive I’ve been nice to him they might already be there the virus had nothing to do with it as far as we know it just takes away your ability to speak nothing else
I loved all 3 films and I’m surprised because they don’t really make any good trilogy now like I have seen some good ones but a lot are boring but these films was awesome.
I like how you can tell ceasear is sad and disturbed by the story he’s telling mostly cause he knows he caused it
How is Caesar caused whole world ended?
@@Karlebow571 he helped spread the virus to make his fellow apes in the shelter intelligent
@@Karlebow571he started an ape revolution which spread the virus that killed billions of people, he was raised by humans, so he still feels sympathy for them, as the remaining humans are experiencing are experiencing the reverse of what the apes did
This movie is a lot better than I remembered
I love how the Colonel basically talks to Caesar like any human man!
It's always chilling when the villain has a point
Its quite remarkable since the first two films followed, the apes are now able to properly speak in this film.
Especially Caesar.
And now the humans are losing their ability to speak.
@@trinitylivingston1286 Really? How?
@@samkresil6011 Did you not watch the movie?
Yes.
This scene really puts into perspective how far Caesar has come and the growth of his character. Not just his speech, but his perspective on life. He went from being no much more than an animal to becoming more human than most humans. He even reaches a point where he calls out a human being and tells them that they’re behaving like an animal. He also understands the value of mercy more than most people do. Humanity took everything from him yet he still shows sympathy when he learns what the virus did to them. But at the same time he’s also emotionally torn by the whole situation especially when speaking with the Colonel. He doesn’t know who to feel sympathetic towards anymore and that not everything is black and white. He’s confused and has reached a gray area and that’s exactly what makes him the most human character in the trilogy.
The colonel practically summarized the entire synopsis for the next movie all in a nutshell right here. Also I've always been curious about what the heck he was eating? It looked like he was eating pickles or something, LOL 😅😂😂
This is the best fucking trilogy EVER!The character development of Caesar, The complex themes, the CGI, 11/10.
You can see the compassion in Caesar's face. Caesar is a great role model for anybody. He is a great leader. I know he is fictional, but still, we can learn from him.
A leader who still felt sympathy for his opponents
rewatching this movie trilogy, I just now realized that throughout all 3 movies, Caesar starts to slowly be able to speak in full sentences. In the first he says no more then a few words, in the second movie he is able to speak in broken English, but in the third he is able to now speak in full sentences without pauses
Yup. He is becoming more like humans than just their ability to speak, as seen in his actions throughout this movie. Really interesting.
Dat Detail
This scene to me explains a major plot hole from the original Planet of the Apes series. While in that series they covered how apes became intelligent and came to dominate the planet, it didn't explain how humans became dumb and primitive so that by the time Taylor had crash landed on Earth in the year 3955 they had become animals with only the most basic of intelligence, raiding the crop fields and being hunted by the apes. This scene really does foretell humanity's downfall.
The thing is that Caesar didn't even started the plague or the war. Koba did.
The colonel sacrificed his only son so humanity could be saved sounds biblical as hell
This scene is a mirror of the scene from the original scene from Planet of the Apes 1968, when Taylor is talking to Zaius after his trial. Zaius is telling Taylor that humans once again gaining speech was a sign that apes would once again be dominated by man.
I think what I find most interesting about the Colonel is that he doesn’t necessarily hate the apes, but he certainly doesn’t pity them either. He’s just someone who sticks to the mission and doesn’t get emotional over things. He knows the apes are the result of the arrogance of man, and is just trying to rectify it. He is a ruthless, merciless, and extremely cruel human being. So cruel in fact, that Caesar is more human than he is morally and even calls him out on it. But he is loyal to his overall objective which is to save humanity. The scariest part about him I think is that deep down we all know that he was right. The world was in a desperate state and as a result created someone who was to be the tool to balance it. Someone without morals, someone without personal ties, someone who sticks to the mission no matter what. He’s like a machine that has been programmed to accomplish a task by any means necessary. And it’s why nearly everyone became his enemy in the end. He didn’t care what people thought of him or if they hated him. He just cared about the results of his actions. Overall a very simple yet interesting villain!
One of the things I love about this films is that that line up with the explanation of the original films as to how apes because so advanced and how humans went primitive after only a few thousand years. What a great way to tie up the whole story line
This scene is so intense and surreal
This will be the last conversation Cesar would ever have for a seriously long time.
Given from what we see in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
Humanity has suffered devolution.
and apes has gains evolution
“Caesar taught us decency and mercy” -Raka, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
There's really so much similarities between the Colonel and Koba
“Mercy is for the weak! The man faces you, he’s the enemy! Enemy deserves *no mercy!”*
An older movie reference
Yeah, Cobra Kai, lol.
@@johnnyd3158 You know how far they've gone with that series like goddamn
Cobra Kai Never Dies!
@@johnnyd3158 Only God decides best who deserves mercy. Not us. We decide based only on our own selfish perceptions.
@@arcticangel1628 I don’t see what that has to do with my comment, but I agree.
Who woulda thought the colonel could describe the deterimental effects of tiktok amongst the general population too.
The whole villian eats an apple with a knife during their speech trope is extremely played out
One of the greatest villans of all time
,,We tried to control nature, bend it to our will, and nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since”
Who’s here after watching kingdom of the planet of the apes and thought all of the humans have deevolved?
Picture what you must think of me.
I think, you have no mercy.
You came here to kill me.
Were you gonna show me mercy.
I showed you mercy, when I spared your men.
I offered you peace, and you killed my family.
Whats the soundtrack? Its fucking dope
Hey Joe by Jimi Hendrix
02:35 Basically played God's part
Sounds like blasphemy.
Great Dialog!
This makes me cringe how the virus de-evolved humans. It terrifies me!!
The look of sadness Caesar's face when he realizes the Colonel killed his own son for the good of his species. Its also then that he realizes that peace will be impossible.
"I showed you mercy... when I spared your men... I offered you peace... and you killed my family..."
Yeah the alz-113 virus sucks.
But have u ever had covid?
I have
Speaks likes it’s the corona virus
Well isn't that a horrific foreshadowing.
The weird thing about the evolved Simian Flu is that we never see it actually rob someone of their higher thinking or do anything more than shred their vocal chords and take away their speech. The soldier in the snow was dying, so it wasn't possible to tell if he had lost his human intelligence. The little girl seemed retain her human intelligence, if not her voice. (Spoiler) The Colonel seemed to lose his intelligence, but considering the empty liquor bottle by his bed, he could've just been drunk or hungover on top of not speaking. If what he said about his son was true, then maybe he really did lose his mind because of the war. Coupled with the loss of his voice, the Colonel and the medic might've just came to the wrong conclusion. Considering that he only said that the medic and his son's caretaker only stopped speaking and didn't mention any devolved behavior, that might just be the case. But when you murder your son on a misdiagnosis, your guilt might not allow you to admit that you were wrong. That's my theory, anyway.
That makes sense. So that might be why the Colonel acts so brutal towards other humans and apes.
That explanation makes sense and definitely elevates the movie. When you first watch the scene, you have this little feeling that maybe the Colonel is right and just doing what has to be done to save the species, but then you see that Nova was able to still communicate with the apes, show compassion, help Caesar get food and water, and help the apes' escape plan, and you realize that no de-evolution actually occurs. Even the other infected people we see (The dying soldiers in the snow) still know what's going on around them. The infected Colonel still has enough mental faculties to drink to deal with the pain, and he's still able to make the decision to end his life at the end. It's most likely that he realizes that the virus doesn't take any development away from the victims, and everything that he did/became/sacrificed was pointless. In the end, after all of his attempts, he was the only one that lost his humanity.
Whats the colonel supposed to do? Hes fighting for his species.
was he? He was insane... why did he have to kill his child? eventually he killed himself because of that... he didnt killed all the apes when he could so apes wont dominate devolved humans in the future...
@@robertorpg2132 To keep his child (and those around him) from spreading the virus that would turn people into livestock.
The Colonel is basically the human equivalent to Koba. Koba hates humanity because he’s experienced nothing but suffering at their hands, and the Colonel has lost everything because of the apes and the virus, even having to put down his own son. He even loses his ability to speak and takes his own life in the end. And Koba was the one that spread the virus in the first place
The humans did this to themselves. They were the ones testing on the apes and Will chose Koba for the experiment.
Ceasers right hes has no mercy I wouldn't be shocked if the colonel trained from the cobra-Kai
I show more sympathy for the Colonel and his troops, than I do for most of the apes.
Edit: 3 years later, uhhh in hindsight id say I sympathize with both pretty equally.
I hope y- **nose starts bleeding** **mouthing words to you** **grunting and groaning in confusion**
@@edmontonboy99 nice
I personally think enslavement of the other species hurts one’s brownie points on the sympathy chart, but I understand where your coming from. Then again, where humans ever good for this world?
@@walterwhite4699 What?
@stingerjohnny9951 Humans are the only species who understand and have the knowledge on how to grow plants, creating more food without the need to destroy other habitats. Humans create modern medicine to eliminate diseases so that less people and animals die. Humans have political systems where the might doesn't always make right. Humans are able to protect endangered species from extinct. Humans create technology so that the less capable has a chance to live life normally and make life more energy efficient without dying.
No other animal is capable of such feats.
Humans are absolutely a good of this earth, people just like to see the negative side of us.
Am I the only one that was rooting for the humans the entire time? Caesar stole the virus which is why it became un-contained. I loved him as a character, but people somehow forget that he is the bane of this entire series. From start to finish. And the humans only sin was covering up their failure at containment. That’s why I think in the end, caesar realized that it was all his fault, and it is wasn’t as simple as saying sorry. Loved the series, but peoples sudden sick love for simians was cringe. They’re more wild than us, plus stronger, doesn’t make them the better species.
You're not the only one. My brother and I rewatched the series recently and our respect for the Colonel remained unchanged. Also, I would say it was not Caesar's fault, rather Gen-Sys and their staff, since the virus had already begun to spread when they failed to properly restrain Koba and his attempted escape led to a gas leak of the virus, which infected Franklin, then the airline pilot, and then countless others.
@@catphuckers Ceasar stole the viral that became uncontained. And i already said the only thing the humans fucked up was containment. But people hating humans and loving on monkeys is so cringe.
@@IssacandjacobSTFU. it's a movie.
The greatest sin was messing with nature in the first place, humans are wild and disgusting in tons of cases, none of you are the "better" speices.
What makes us any better, look at the horrible things humans do to other humans we arent some perfect race either. In the end its simply a matter of darwanism, the only thing that keeps humans at the top of the evolutionary food chain is our intelligence, now give intellgience to a group of animals that are already physically stronger then us and we arent so special any more.
“We tried to defy nature, bend it to our will. And nature has been punishing us for our arrogance ever since.”
*Jurassic World in a nutshell*
The sacrificial son. More mimicry. Unseemly, inescapable
Talk about saving humanity and higher thinking yet an ape and his army can speak and fight because humanity was stupidly testing on them in the first place. Humanity always deserves what it gets in these movies 😂 even if the colonel is doing things for his family he’s still part of the stupid group
So some bad humans are a reason why every human should die? You are a pathetic pseudo-moralist.
Nexus Gaming dont judge him he doesnt understand what hes saying
Humans became their own worst enemy.
Apes managed to climb ahead in the aftermath.
But apes conflict with each other just like humans do.
The POTA series is simply about a political changing of hands.
@@NexusGaming857 Well even now when they must stick together at any cost they are still bickering and quarreling over disagreements and fighting each other so yeah humanity sucks.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Your average ape is far stronger than your average human. Like Colonel said it is only natural that Apes would replace humans once gaining equal intelligence. Banding together or not, it doesn't matter, humans are doomed either way especially of the Simian Flu devolving the survivors.
What does he mean when he says "we created you"
The first movie was all about how the virus that both wiped out humanity and elevated ape intelligence was created by humans trying to cure alzheimer's
@@167thSpartan oh OK thanks dude
What is the colonel eating? An apple slice?
Isn’t it amazing even after generations of the apes none of them speaks as fluent as caeser ?
From no to speaking fluently like this! I love how caesar evolved over the 3 movies …
One thing I don't get though, if the mutated virus means the Colonel has to exterminate the apes, then why does he have no problem with him and his men being in close proximity to them?
Also, while the mutation robs humans of speech, it doesn't seem to turn them into mindless beasts. Young Nova seemed to display complex emotions and intelligence.
I thought it was higher reasoning things like math, engineering, literature, philosophy, etc a bit more than just not being able to speak
the colonel was fucking wild in the movie
Just realized the extent of the Colonel’s god complex when he said he would have to sacrifice his only son for humanity to be saved (like Jesus, lol)
This is basically Naenthertals vs Homosapiens. But the homosapiens are going to lose.
What must have pissed Cesar off with the Colonel besides killing his wife and first-born son is that the Colonel killed his own son for his own twisted delusions of being the salvation of humanity.
It’s really hard to watch this when the “bad guys” are us who are desperate to survive and not be reduced to mindless beasts. I’ve heard of rooting for the empire but I think this a more sympathetic reason to.
how did people never comprehend that the colonel is the hero of the movie for us humans. the danger that is represented by this evolution of the virus is a threat to us that goes beyond are wildest nightmare. It devolves us into primitive beasts without our intellect. we lose everything that makes us human. we lose the capacity to separate ourselves from the night mare that is nature that the rest of life is condemned to. No only this but there is another hominid species now on other that rivals us at our peak. Imagine how they would torture and humiliate us, especially in lieu learning the experiments that we routinely did to our ancestors.
Stopping this occurence would literally be more important than anything else in our history and its not even close. ANYTHING would be on the table. In my opinion human extinction is preferable to what they colonel is trying to avert.
What do you think exactly the colonel is making in that pot?
Wow! It's crazy how the colonel shares his story to Caesar about human life and laws of nature. He is talking to him like a human.
Crazy how none of this woulve happened if will never made that drug