Dude. Genuinely if they didn't trick Ryan into being trapped in a chamber he probably wouldve listened to them given a little time. Grace literally ruined everything
No seriously. For ONCE (maybe twice) this season I understood Butcher’s point and agreed with his direction. I think he was really trying to play the long game with saving Ryan. I appreciated him bonding with him earlier this season. I totally understand him withholding that information and trying to deliver it to him slowly because that’s a lot to take in and he and Grace don’t know how much Homelander had really gotten into Ryan’s head or how much he was holding on to having a relationship with Homelander.
@@hahafunnybro exactly. Grace got impatient and just threw everything on him, and made him feel like he was trapped just like his dad was. That will NOT have a good lasting impression on his decisions against humans. Butcher almost had it, if he was alone in there I'm almost positive Ryan couldve been talked down but it might be too late now.
I agree that people gave up on this season too quickly. I had my issues with the show, but I think it was solid overall. My main gripe is that Colin was never fleshed out, so he just felt like a character who existed just to demonstrate that Frenchie is a monster. At least with Kimiko’s storyline, we cared a bit about the girl who came after her.
The problem is.. people have increasingly low attention span. And when they see superheros, they expect something like Avengers, where you got tight action sequences VFX and all every 15-30 mins a new place, new fight.. But this time, the boys had 8 hours runtime, with probably 1 hour of the action stuff and 7 hours of boringness. It was nice though. I did enjoy it. But I would agree that majority people won't like it when they come to watch with the expectation of bloodshed, homelander threatening others, and people fighting each other.
My biggest criticism is this whole back and forth with the group dynamic: “I’m out of the group. Okay I’m back in but you can’t be in the group. Okay you’re back in the group but you can’t lead. Okay I don’t want to lead you can lead again. Nvm I’m out of the group. You left the group? Okay I’m back in the group.”
@@jennastarnes5377 bruh the world is about to end and she’s worried about hughie cheating on her with someone he thought was her. That’s like getting mad at you for having a sex dream. They’re priorities are a not straight. They’re fluffing up the more intriguing plot with all these b-side romance plots. A-train and homelander are the only ones well written this season.
The only real problem I have with the season is that it does sometimes feel like part 1 of a 2 part finale, but I had a ton of fun this season and can’t wait for Season 5
Ikr. It's like season 4A and 4B. Season 2 and 3 have new Big Bad to stir up the story and being ended by finale. But season 4 and 5, IMO, came in package. Firecracker and Sage were new but side characters, but still stir up the storyline. I believe they will play much bigger role in Season 5.
@@zitronenteeFirecracker I think will just be a side character and homelanders "toy" but sage will definitely play a Much bigger role in season 5 as she has her whole phase 2 plan
@@caidenFarrow Agree. I still see Firecracker as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, or closer to JustPearlyThings. While Sage is more Lex Luthor. But I believe that Sage is between having agenda and not. Just having a lot of contingency plans. She just satisfies herself. I feel that she's playing all sides and not really loyal to HL. If somehow Sage helped The Boys, I won't be surprised.
Fun Fact: Noir's Narcolepsy is not actually random. The actor who played Noir this season is actually Narcoleptic in real life, so the directors decided to carry that over to the show. I think that's a pretty cool touch.
Finally someone says it. For a show that took Annie's SA very seriously it was very sad to see this basically completely unaknowledged with Annie even being angry at Hughie. This along with the dungeon scene was so fucked up and would be completely traumatizing for anyone and that needs to be adressed
@Lotuss808 Well, he knew there was a shapeshifter on the loose. His girlfriend shows a change in character and he doesn't suspect something was off 😒.
@@guellaliguemra2321 You expect him to be a detective or something? People can experience change of character during harsh times, which Annie and the rest of the boys were going through. Hughie did nothing wrong and Annie needs to chill the hell down.
I think the initial reaction served to show how much Annie and Hughie both have grown in how quickly they solved the conflict. Not only did Hughie learn how to communicate with Annie over the seasons, but she learned how to LISTEN to him. It was annoying to me off the bat but VERY effective character writing
When Kimiko screamed, I glossed over it. I heard it but I missed it. It wasn't until Frenchy was stepping into the van I said to myself "Wait, did Kimiko just speak". I went back 20 seconds, fully appreciated the scream and shed a single tear. Was a great scene.
My main thing I didn't like was how they handled Tek Knight. They drew out the sex dungeon scene too long and we didn't get to see Tek Knight's armor or technology. In Gen V it's implied he had super strength yet is held by restraints and easily killed.
he only has an armor in the comics. in the series it is never implied he has anything more than super senses. the actual problem is they didn't show his powers in a cool way like they did in Gen V.
If they hadn't attempted to trap him and treated him like a child, but rather had treated him as an adult and allowed him to leave, things might have turned out better. Threatening and then moving to flood the room with knockout gas was a mistake; she should have simply let him leave to think. I relate to that deeply; it's tragic, but I understand why Ryan killed Mallory, even though it was certainly unintentional, like criminal he inadvertently splattered against the wall.
@@TheJarlath9 the way he splattered the criminal against the wall metres away versus only snapping Mallory's neck through pushing tells me that it was an accident the way he processed the situation I mean he's kind of used to hurting people by now but he definitely didn't mean to kill her
I liked this season, but Hughie’s dad dying, him getting SAd in a dungeon right after, and then being SAd again by a doppelgänger of his girl was just kinda weird and played for a laugh
if you found those scenes funny then thats on you. It's clear you are supposed to sympathise with hughie as he says "im not fine" to starlight after the SA and the one with fake starlight was similarly supposed to make you uncomfortable when you found out about it
@@garrettsindelar3774 yeah in hughies SA during the period where he's trying to find the safe word is supposed to be kinda funny but when the actual SA starts hughie looks genuinely panicked and says he's not ok. So yes, it is on you if you found it funny
Also, during the first part where he yells out stuff he doesnt say no, he is still doing it for the mission, its not where he is actually getting SA'd but you dont understand that because you are just regurgitating an opinion your favorite youtuber said without understanding it properly
Im not gonna care until I see you all bitching about my boy mothers milk being HARRASED, beat with meant, and nutted on for 4 seasons straight. All the sudden Huey’s got It bad? 😮💨🤣
Kimiko letting her first words out in ages with it being a scream of agony broke my heart so much. I know the gang don't really get a happy ending in the comics but I really want Kimiko and Frenchie to live and stay together now.
My only gripe is "Sage's Plan" or the concept of it. At this point anything can be written off as apart of her plan if it doesn't make sense to the viewer or to justify choices made by the writer's. It also undermines Sage in the grand scheme, removing her own agency and just coming off as a Plot Sniper with plot armor piercing rounds. Other than that it was a solid Finale.
I feel like this kind of the excuse what happens often trying to make intelligent characters's extremely complex plans the same we got foiled before they set in motion only to realize that it was the plan all along.
I think thats a risk of a super genius character but they didnt fail at it. Her plan happening w/o anyones knowledge made perfect sense. Her calculating homelanders ego taking over and melting down and butchers brutality taking over and planning on the vice president dying and using that as suoe sympathy, gettung rid of the pres and her true candidate taking over.. it was really awesome. It was just awesome and i feel like ppl are doing their best fanfic what ifs to try and knock it down from the cinematic ride it was.
Of course you can make the claim that she is so smart that we just wouldn’t understand. She probably analyzed the characters’ personalities at a higher level than we ever could and deduced that this is how the conflict would culminate if she just moved a few pieces (shapeshifter girl, inviting Firecracker, etc). But of course you could always argue a seemingly omniscient character like this is a scapegoat
I knew they would do this with her character when they introduced to her in her apartment full of... books. At that moment, it became clear to me sister sage was going to be the most insufferable character in the show. People actually thought that was a good way to demonstrate her intelligence, to have her apartment full of fucking books 😂. "Book equal smart person, dur dur dur". Not to mention we literally see her do nothing intelligent this whole season, only to show up in the last episode and be like "MY PLAN IS COMING TO FRUITION!" Fucking what? Also her little "smartest person" like was so god damn annoying.
My biggest complaint about the boys is the male double standard. Starlight is sexually assaulted and it’s seen as horrible why hueghy is seen as a joke. Than he gets raped by the clone and than starlight gets mad at him for being raped? What is that crap
@@maedensyndicate8798right cause the whole scene of starlight telling him to get tested and hughie doing a fist pump isn't lighthearted at all. be so fr rn
@@maedensyndicate8798 let’s think before we type ok? The time it took you to type that stupid comment you could’ve looked up that the director of the show said he saw it as a joke. Better luck next time champ
Regardless of what the director said. When you actually look at the scene of hughie being SA'd by tek knight, the only part that was played for laugh was when he was masked. After that, it was serious. @memeteam3318
The season had bad writing and pacing issues for sure. Best example is the finale. A lot of stuff was packed in the last couple minutes when it could've been well spread throughout the episode
I never lost my faith in this Season and this turned out better than I expected it to be with Major Twist and Turns.I never thought I would have to question what’s going to happen next since Season 4 of Stranger Things and just look after the Aftermath, Zoe in on Red River, the Godokin Kids are locked somewhere, Butcher will Perfect the Disease, the Boys are Taken Away by Homie’s Literal and Metaphorical A-holes, Homelander has more Power and Soldier Boy his his Hands, Ryan is going to the Motions, Sage and Kessler Won, and Starlight is out there searching for help, I don’t even know where to begin with the Material the Showrunners are Cooking now we must let Nature take its course ask, what would Gen V Season 2 would bring to us in the Table on the Finale?
You sir are on to something. Nothing wrong with most fans being upset but what gets on my nerves is the fickleness of it all. Rather than see the season through and judge it once it’s done, they gave up by episode 3/4. It’s too much sometimes but I know for myself that I enjoyed it and also I’m glad I watched Gen V S1 during S4 of The Boys.
I think this season ended better than it began, but I still can’t excuse the writing staff for framing sexual assault and rape through a comedic lens. Using really personal and emotional issues as a moment to try and get some laughs is just so so disgusting to me.
@@pinkgoergefloyd8340 When Hughie got assaulted three episodes in a row and Starlight still gets mad at him and has to "forgive" him. If the genders were reversed, all of these hypocrites would be up in arms.
The webweaver thing wasn’t rape until tek knight knew it was hughie and was about to take advantage of him in my opinion. But the fact that Annie got angry at Hughie for not knowing that it wasn’t her and having sex with her pissed me the fuck off. Hughie basically got raped and taken advantage of and she’s angry? That’s really the only gripe I had with the last episode cause what the fuck maj
@@ryanhinga424thats kind of like saying “oh its not rape/sexual assault because they thought she was someone else”. Like either way Hughie still had to go through sexual acts even though he wasnt consenting.
Nah, Hugie hot hoed in every episode, dude has been taking hits the whole shoe, give him a win. Now he's being yelled at by Annie for stuff that wasn't even his fault. I feel like Frenchie falling so far back into the "I'm a bad person" conflict, like we got that with lamp lighter and the scene with Nina. The rest of the season is pretty good but there's overall something about the season that just feels lesser to the rest of the show. The finale was pretty good though
Yeah, I think the repetition of plots is one of the biggest problems of this beginning of the season, it starts without a fixed goal because of a forced closure of the previous season, and then the plots of Frenchie and Kimiko for example, do not bring anything new to what we already knew about them, and even then it is not treated well at all because Frenchie goes to jail and everything is solved later by magic...
Season 4 really is the opposite of Season 3 in every way. Season 3 had consecutively amazing episodes only for it to derail itself in the finale. Whereas this season had pretty mid episodes that got brought back with the last two episodes. Even though 3rd season had way better episodes on average, I would argue the 4th season is better even with the slow and sour start-up. This is the perfect case study as to how much season finales matter. Why climaxes matter in general; you screw your story's ending up and it won't really matter how well you've handled the buildup prior.
Not only in that way, but also in tone, se3 was hopeful because they acually had a way to defeat homelander. Se3 was the closest they had ever been to win, but se4 is just barely anything going right
I felt this big time, and whereas a major issue with the Season 3 finale is the reset to status quo where almost nobody important actually dies even when they seem to, no real goals are achieved, here big things happen to shake up the status quo and really pumps up the hype for the future.
@@PossessedbyPhoenix Yep. Season 3 felt like a royal joy ride but everything went back to square one in the end. I don't get it. Maybe because Gen V got greenlit at the time and they needed a plot point like the supe virus to coincide with The Boys' current timeline.
I thoroughly disagree. s4's finale doesn't work, because the build-up of the earlier episodes created no pathos, consequence or reason to care about the motivations and choices of various characters. What should have felt like twists in the finale only felt like a meaningless unravelling of further chaos, where nothing is satisfactorily resolved in the plot. s4's finale does not resolve the lazy, anaemic and uninspired writing throughout the season. It is such writing's logical conclusion and apotheosis.
One thing I didn’t like was how they treated Tek Knight, this might be an atrocious take but I actually like him more in the comics. There he actually struggles with his sexual desires, he sends away Laddio since he’s scared of him losing control, he doesn’t want to be a pervert and he hates himself. The show is more “Yeah I’m a racist supe and I love being extremely perverted”. One of the only things I preferred in the comics.
i get your sentiment, there were some characters that i liked more in the comics. But we have to remember they play different roles in the history in the TV show, so its fine if they don't come out like we wished. We should see them as just different characters with the same name and some similarities and appreciate both versions for what they have to enjoy
No you're totally right, he was one of my favourite characters from Gen V and ended up being the biggest disappointment of this season to me. We didn't even get to see the suit 😭
I agree. Tek Knight accepting and acknowledging he's a depraved masochist, racist, sex freak is just... exhausting. Virtually every supe in this show is either a racist, or a depraved pervert. It's just old now.
No body could predict the story. At all. Nobody predicted sage stealing the screen. Nobody predicted that this was a loosing battle. Nobody predicted butcher having a sentient venom tumor. This season broke the hero's they are pretty much thinking they are better off dead than deal with this mess and the plot Armor is rightfully so especially when you are compounding their PTSD. MM almost died. Frenchy almost gave up. Starlight was publically humiliated and is currently hated by everyone because of propaganda. Kimiko finally can talk that's good. And hughie he was sexually assaulted right after killing his dad and he was lated manipulated into marrying a fake starlight. And worst of all butcher dude gave in to the dark side and is not just a shell of his former self. The supes were never gonna kill them they were played like fiddle by these supes.
Yeah def the fianle was basically the empire strikes back 😂😂 all put guys got fcked except Annie hopefully she preforms a plan to save them with a train
@@zanderxadvancesp284 well but you didn't predict the ending exactly who would have thought the heroes victory was planned for the villlains victory. That's why this entire season felt like they had heavy plot Armor.
a lot of people actually did predict that Joe Kessler wasn't real before that episode, myself included. It was a little predictable but otherwise this season was pretty good all criticisms considered
Shouldn't Neumans' daughter be with Samir? Unless he's not her biological parent but from that faux adoption scene with Hughie in S1, it seems the Super orphanages would be willing to shove off any child unto a couple.
Sameer is officially dead, only Neumann and the Boys know he is alive. And he isn't Zoe's legal father so he has no legal right over her without a DNA test, but maybe he is hidden somewhere with no way of contacting his daughter. Stan Edgar can't take care of Zoe because despite having a better legal claim he is still an escaped convict. His pardon was never official so he can't show his face in court.
I disagree with your defense of the Frenchie plotline. In this season they tried to further explore Frenchie’s crimes, but I think they did the perfect amount of that last season. This season, it was just more of the same, and because of that it felt like a waste of time. I think that if they had condensed it to resolve sooner, it would’ve worked better. (To be fair, I don’t know what they would’ve spent the extra time on.)
The problem for me was it had basically nothing to do with the overall plot this season. Season 3 Frenchie's past with Little Nina mattered cause they needed her help to get to Russia and Frenchie had to deal with Nina afterwards cause they killed a bunch of Russian soldiers at the base. This season the whole Frenchie and Collin thing didnt have anything with anything else and there were no real consequences, Collin disappeared and was never seen again and Frenchie just spent a few days in jail before they got him released.
Are we going to gloss over the fact that Starlight goes through a journey, is confronted by evil Annie, and then literally moments later doubles down on her stupid victim complex by blaming Hughie for being raped, after just having been raped an episode or two ago. It's not even as if they did it on purpose and had it be a big moment where she realizes and confronts that part of her. She's just genuinely a shitty person who only cares about herself and how things that happen to others affect her.
Didn't they literally make the entire season about her confronting how she's a terrible person and questioning if she's fit to be a hero. That's literally one of the biggest character moments of the last episode. The way you feel is how a lot of the world in the show feels, and how she herself felt. Eventually you gotta just say "fuck it", who cares if you're a shitty person or not, most you can do is whatever makes you feel less shitty, even if you've made a lot of mistakes. Similar to A-Train. That's how she got her powers back. Annie is a human, she says stuff she shouldn't have said, and probably doesn't mean. That's fine, people aren't themselves during extreme emotional distress. Even if the world or the audience hold it against you, you can't let those mistakes destroy you, you gotta just try your best to do the right thing. What matters is soon after she's still happily with Hughie, and they didn't let it get between them. Most other shows sacrifice natural human reactions to avoid making their characters seem unlikeable to the viewer.
@@racool911 If you can't recognize why Annie is absolutely in the wrong, and by extension the show runners for playing it off as a joke, then you need to do some reflection. Look at how the show runners treated sexual assault when it was her in season 1, and look how they've treated it now. It's clear by the episodes and the comments they've made outside that they think it's just a joke. That is disgusting. And exactly. If they had made it into a moment where Hughie confronts her, points out how what she's doing in that moment is ridiculous and self centred, it could have been a really genius moment. But they didn't, because the writers genuinely don't see Hughie's abuse as anything more than a joke to be written off.
@@andrewgates5008It's not the same situation. You are just following the new trend of 'double standards' whenever there is a man and sexual anything. Just stop it already with the victimhood game.
@@guellaliguemra2321 Is Hughie a victim of sexual abuse? It's a simple question. If yes, then the writers have an obligation to treat this trauma maturely. If no, then you didn't watch the episodes or don't think men can be sexually assaulted, which is simple not true. There are no double standards. I ask for simple consistency in their handling of deeply personal subjects like assault or trauma. They've already shown they can do this well in the past, so them not doing it for Hughie, on top of the show runner's comments that it was just for a joke, and it was supposed to be funny, shows that they don't care about the sexual molestation Hughie endures, which is disgusting. If you can't understand that, then you need to self reflect.
My issue with the season was not the dialogue, or the character development (cause I agree, it was great) for me the season felt like it was just jumping back and forth, never really committing to a main plot. I also thought the Hughie torture and SA was horrible. I also felt like they really underutilized Sage and Firecracker in the back half of the season. I still really like the season though. I’m probably gonna rewatch the season so, maybe I’ll like it even more. Episode 4, 7 and 8 were awesome. A great video though!
@@zanderxadvancesp284 I would say government takeover was a big part of it but, to me the season just felt like it never committed to anything. It was trying to get a virus, keeping Singer safe, a shapeshifter, it was the tek-knight party, it was Homelander and Sage. To me it just didn’t stick to something. Keep in mind, I still really enjoyed the season. I’m not saying it’s bad by any stretch.
I was genuinely questioning what I was watching throughout that whole episode. I understand it's meant to shock and make people feel uncomfortable... but I just didn't enjoy it. And I enjoyed this show with its penis explosions, herogasm etc. But that was too much.
Also i get what you mean with it being played for laughs, but man that scene with Tek Knight and ashley Sexually assaulting Hughie should NOT have been played for laughs. I mean cmon... Imagine if the scene with The Deep and Starlight from season 1 was played for laughs. It's just unnecessary
He was doing it for the mission… I don’t know if i’m not remembering it correctly but at the beginning it’s played off as more of a joke but at the end it definitely wasn’t a joke. comparing it to the starlight situation just seems really disingenuous tbh
@@loganfrazer8461 To me it felt like a massive amount of gloss-over was used in those episodes with nowhere near enough time taken to really show the struggle and pain what happened to him would cause and a double standard in how male vs female SA is portrayed. but also I can recognise the scenes as being in bad taste in an overall pretty dececent show
The sex dungeon episode just felt like over-the-top shock value designed to surpass Herogasm from season 3... except it felt gratuitous and added nothing to the plot. Just edgy sex humor because Seth Rogen also produces this show.
The reason Frenchies 'arc' sucks, is because it has no impact on the plot and only impacts Frenchie, however, Frenchie is in all honesty not having massive effects on the plot, plus hes already semi established and weve seen how he feels about himself already. So you have a character getting extremely fleshed out, but for basically no reason. Hes an irrelevant character in the grand scheme of things, but still has hours dedicated to him. Not saying hes a bad character to any Frenchie fans, hes great, just not what everyone wanted to see. Hopefully this wasnt too convoluted.
It's one of the reasons that Hughies plot with his father was so effective, we got to see a character with massive implications on the protagonists and antagonists learn and grow. Even if it didnt result in Hughies dad's death, Hughie still has extreme external importance, which glorifies HIS character development over Frenchies. Not to mention, Frenchie didnt grow much, he just accepted responsibility basically, and thats it
@@Leiba_arionand it is so fucked up what Frenchie did. I mean not only did he murder that guys entire family, he then proceeded to sleep with him for no fucking reason. Like he single handedly destroyed Colin's life and state of mind
I see what you're saying, but I also think him spending time locked up was important to not just his plot, but many others around him. His actions and trauma finally caught up to him and he had constant reminders that he wasn't able to escape. And then turning himself in because he felt like a monster gave Kimiko time to recognize how she really felt about him. She realized that Frenchie wasn't too good for her like she initially thought. And then when he returned, we saw that Frenchie was still a very much needed person on the team. Without him, the virus wouldn't be strong enough to get rid of Homelander. Sure, we expect Ryan to face Homelander eventually, but do we then expect Ryan to be able to take out Soldier Boy or Sam? I think the virus is gonna be necessary at the end and the good supes are going to accept that they might have to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Otherwise, we wouldn't have needed Frenchie to spend so much time figuring it out. So he may not FEEL like he's having massive effects on the plot right now, but I fully believe we will see the impact of Frenchie's perfected virus in the final season.
Frenchie has been a major player since the first season and he created the mega weapon that Butcher wields going into season 5. He is literally a main character. Calling him irrelevant in the grand scheme of things is wild, especially when everyone seems to love the scenes of The Deep and A-Train which are arguably as minor as Frenchie's. His backstory in season 4 impacts Kimiko and also parallels her past trauma that she is trying to grow from as well. They start the season believing that they are not worthy of the others' love and Frenchie's arc is majorly important to probably the most soul crushing part of season 4. We see how he feels about himself in prior seasons but until he acts on it by turning himself in he is not able to fully forgive himself.
I didn't mind Frenchies & Collins side story but there was ZERO character development. As you mentioned Fremchie has always been goofy and might have distracted some people. But it never hid that he's a horrible human being.
Yeah, but it felt weird because it's really building up to something. That's why I find it so weird that Kimiko is "okay" with it. Then the finale came and the pieces fall into places and it made more sense.
@@dantederi5062i feel like more people should’ve seen that she didn’t actually want him to be with colin. She was downing beers to numb the pain before encouraging him to pursue colin
@@brycerodriguez244 I actually disagree. I did think initially she wanted him to be with Colin because she loves him and doesn't think she is good enough to be with him or probably in love at all. That being said she definitely also wanted to be with him.
They still haven't proven me wrong in three things: - Glossing over Hughies SA - Sage being omnismart. A scapegoat plot device. Would love to see her looking at stuff and say "I got a plan" at the very least. - Why did Becca suddenly get shafted from Butchers brain? I'd understand if it happened after Kesler took control, but she disappeared for the second half of the season
I mean look at all the shit he’s seen and been through throughout all the series. Part of his arc is him becoming a hero - but I think they’ll address it later on
cant believe no one has brought this up, but in the show it’s an election year, the president and election is a big part of the show, this season was always going to be more political
@@TFAricThe problem is that the hate and jokes keep getting more and more relevant. As long as Trump keeps being the dominant political driver, any political content is gonna naturally have to involve him, or basically be out of touch with the current climate. I'm sure the writers wish there's other stuff to parody, but 2024 is just an extreme copy of 2017, hence so will the political satire
@@racool911 I know that the writers hate Trump, probably to a TDS levels. I also know they cried and complained about people liking Homelander so they had to really push it so people would understand that he is the bad guy. I understand not liking the guy, as a European I am worried what he will do about Russia if he becomes elected, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is, on another level.
Frenchie didn't get much development if at all with the Colin storyline. It was just retreading old ground we have already seen for the most part. He struggled with drug addiction and his guilt over people he killed in the past. We didn't really learn anything new like we did with Starlight for example. We just learned about his past crimes against Colin's family specifically which is very unlikely to matter ever again. I think next season his storyline will hopefully be better since it can go more into his themes of being controlled since now he is literally mind controlled by Cate.
Imagine being Frenchie. You start off being one of the coolest engineer/scientist/etc by killing a member of the Seven. Then you get bullied by your past again, then you're forgiven. Then you're reminded that you're controlled by ppl. Then you're released. Then you're bullied by your past again. Then you're forgiven. Then you're reminded that you're controlled by ppl. Then you're forgiven... Then you get literally controlled by Cate lol.
Also the show's criticism of Starlight didn't work here cos we can easily see that, while she was bad to Fireworks..this happened offscreen and when they were younger. What WAS onscreen was: - her killing an innocent guy and admitting that she's becoming less pure - her mother being overbearing and making her act a certain way Therefore, it's easy to forgive Starlights old actions in Season 4 cos we can just say she was a child influenced by her fam. However, if we really wanted to test her morality then they should've brought up what she did to that innocent guy and stop trying to make her fight against her morality. They're still trying to make her the pure one faced by her past when she lost that purity a long time ago.
@@klas-6 ah I forgot about that but that wasn't at Herogasm. She killed that guy in season 2. Herogasm was in season 3. Also pretty sure she didn't even mean to kill that guy and Hughie was dying. Hughie has done way worse stuff. Just this season him and his mom got tons of innocent people at the hospital killed by his dad and they didn't even care.
No they didn’t take a stab at plot armor in the final scene lmao, not one of them died, despite having implications of furthering the plot, is literally the definition of plot armor. Even though keeping them alive is pointless to homelander or the government lmao. And how could Sage account for Mallory being 1 second too late in locking up Ryan, if she did lock up Ryan, Butcher wouldn’t have killed Nueman. And why would a secret bunker deep underground have enough data to perfectly livestream what the president said about how they should have got rid of Nueman. The plot itself has plot armor. It’s a very entertaining show still but people need to stop glazing the writing, that fell off after season 2 imo.
2:28 Sage was insufferable not for anything other than the clear hand of the writing team clearly trying to write an intellectual character but being ultimately limited by their own intellectual levels. At the end of the season it just drops that she predicted several unpredictable and random events and it just happened so perfectly without any set-up makes it quite cheap. If the president didn't blurt out the assassination attempt her whole plan falls apart. He could have kept his cool and not said anything, he could have said why wasn't anything done about this? And then the whole framing arch just dies. The shifter could have not made it into the bunker in time and it would have fell apart. Overall it's hard to write an intelligent character when you are of average intelligence.
Sister sage was so badly written I just couldn't get myself to finish watching season 4. If I hear she dies in the show, I'll continue watching, otherwise I'm done.
You had me until you called Annie’s arc your favorite 😂 Good god has she fallen off a cliff for me. Easily the most boring character - and she had me fuming when she was all angry with Hughie there at the end as if he wasn’t the victim 😱 I was floored.
She predicted butchers brutality and homelanders ego and meltdown, both things totally in the realm of her doing. She knew homelander would try to treat her like everyone else wanting complete obedience from fear, shed try to escape thru hughie and that butcher would prob fuck that up. Its always about gambling ofc.
I hate the trend on RUclips of hating on everything that comes out. I make sure to completely avoid bait but it really seems to be infecting so many people’s view that they sound like they’re the majority
What Make's it so obvious, is the cookie cutter responses, all the season 4 haters say the same shit about it being woke, and point to aspects of the show that have been present since season 1.i don't wanna believe the right is this stupid, but it's looking grim
I don’t like sages reveal for the simple reason of the entire thing being “see haha I had it all planned cause I’m so smart” it’s super lazy writing imo
The Boys will become completely unwatchable in a few years. The writers are so obsessed with cramming current day references into the show that they are dating the series so hard. Without the context of the early to mid 2020s and which hashtags trended the day most things going on will just end up feeling incredibly awkward. It's definitely not timeless television. Not to mention that even if you disregard that, you're left with bloated characters with drawn out, inconsequential arcs and backgrounds that pad for time.
Yeah, season 4 is more thematically focused, and all the characters are utilized towards that theme. However, it doesn’t mean that it’s interesting or entertaining. Frenchie feeling bad about himself for what he’s done has been done before, back with the lamplighter thing seasons ago. His storyline with Colin is just tread ground, and being taken out of prison so quickly after turning himself in makes it feel like the consequences of his arc don’t really matter. Kimiko’s storyline is so detached from everything and everyone else too. Shining light doesn’t affect anyone but herself, and so any scene with her or Frenchie feels like it doesn’t impact the main plot. Anything with them feels like filler, and if they and their storylines were written out, I think that “confronting your past” would have still been as effective as a theme. Annie and Homelander have the same theme to their storylines, and they’re both still interesting. Annie’s storyline is interesting because she IS so self-righteous, that being called out on it is interesting. Hughie’s storyline has the same problem as Frenchie’s where it took time to get off the ground, it felt like a side plot. But he has character development because he forgives A-train in a natural and satisfying way by having a reason to forgive his mom. Frenchie’s storyline ends the same way it starts. We already know how much he hates himself for the shit he’s done. Reminding us isn’t character development, it’s character stasis. Maybe if Collin was more developed, someone worth caring about, there’d be actual drama there. But such a new character makes that impossible. But his only character trait is an ability to guilt trip Frenchie. Then there’s a lot of the same shit with whether or not Butcher is on the team, MM bickering with Butcher and Annie bickering with Butcher. The boys doesn’t feel like a team anymore either when they’re so segregated in their storylines. As for the politics, the problem isn’t the subject of the satire. Satirizing the evangelical Christians has been done since the first episode and nobody had a problem with it in earlier seasons. Nobody has sympathy for conspiracy theorists either. The issue is that the politics of the show are trying to send a message. They aren’t trying to just be funny. South Park is good at satire because it makes something political ridiculous, and laughing with it is easy because it makes the viewpoint look dumb. Annie gives an entire monologue about why she got an abortion. Is it sympathetic and make me care about the character? Yes. Does it also feel like it’s the show writers telling me what to think about abortion? Yes. Satire does not tell you what to think about politics. That’s propaganda. Propaganda isn’t funny, even when it agrees with your viewpoint. So what makes effective satire? Making fun of an easy target without directly telling you what to think. Firecracker is funny because she’s like all the other people who rant about abortion without reading the room at all. Watching her getting beat up is funny too. That’s as far as the show needed to go. Annie giving a monologue about why she got an abortion is what makes it feel political. The key is make fun of the people, without telling you what to think. That said, I agree with everything you said about Butcher. He went scorched earth from the start of season 3 to the end of season 3, besides saving Ryan. Season 4 needed to show us his development towards going the other way, because as heartwarming as it is to see him go from monster to human, we want to see him go scorched earth.
I fully disagree with the video on frenchie. It wasnt character development, it was character regression. He has already gone through the nightmares of his past in the last season. Just recycling it and it felt like filler.
my main issue is just how much filler there was. the tek cave, frenchies/colin arc, starlights abortion being outed. all of this could have been taken out and not have affected the story at all. the worst part is, i feel if they handled stuff differently i think it would have been the best season yet. also hughie being SAd multiple times just for comedy was sickening.
Tek Cave -> absurd & dark humor Frenchie/Colin -> Guilt and feeling like he doesn't deserve love/humanity Starlight's abortion -> she's not the saint that she thinks she is (not cuz of her getting an abortion, but her lashing out)
Part of the (possible) reasons for people hating this season may be because of the writing quality this time around, it is still a good season of television but it does falter more compared to the other seasons
Funny thing about the people who complain about the satire and “overly political” are the same people who loved it in early seasons, they’re just mad they just now figured out they were the ones being made fun of the entire time 😭
Even if I think some RUclipsrs are funking annoying that they even complain about good stuff I felt like the start of the season was overly handfisted, The Boys have made fun off most groups but the start felt very one sided and heavy handed. Allot of the season basically screaming Trump Trump got a bit tiring. Overall I did enjoy the season but I was worried in the start that it would just be a one way street.
I also think these people interpreted things like A-Train’s energy drink commercial and the Queen Maeve Inclusivity Kingdom as a general takedown of leftist politics instead of what it is, which is an obvious critique of Disney’s corporate wokeness. The show has always leaned a certain way but some people can’t accept that.
That’s pretty subjective from where this show has been going lol. First 2 seasons both had political involvement within them, but were very on the down low and were pieced apart. And the third season had the genius idea of attacking both sides of the political spectrum (left/right) by pointing out its flaws which broadens viewers and brings more together. That was perfect. What did season 4 do? Forgot about all of that by showing a very clear sided view of politics that was way too on the nose. Literally a “my beliefs are good, yours bad” scenario which is why it’s taken heat by so many. You couldn’t tell the distinction if professional writers wrote it, or keyboard warriors. Whether or not you believe in those views is another thing, but it isn’t a bright idea to divide what you were bringing together. Again when se3 came out, it countered all the super hero shows that were “woke” by going all angles, now it’s sitting in the same mud puddle along side them lol.
@@TeaZeCinema People aren't reacting poorly because the show is political, this show has the most hamfisted politics I've ever seen in popular media and it's largely quite decent. Every good show has a strong statement to make, and that statement is often OVERTLY political. This… is just a very sloppy amateurish attempt at it, at least in season 4. Stop doing this shit.
I feel like it would've been better to have Kimiko fight the shifter in the bunker and have the shifter turn into Kimiko. That way she can confront the blood soaked version of her and kill it to move on from her past.
As far as people thinking the writers are making fun of them because of the satire becoming more "obvious",they all magically ignore and forget that the seasons are filmed a year in advance.The show's satire is being outshined by the absurdity of real life events,that would've seemed completely ridiculous a year ago.
I absolutely agree, this season was way better than people give it credit to. It developed characters and storyline in a way that creates an intense build-up for the final chapter
This isn't a criticism at all, but, it does feel like Kripke is redoing the apocalypse seasons of Supernatural. It even has echoes to the finale of 4, with Butcher accepting Kessler to basically become a vessel, Sage acting like Ruby when she reveals the endgame, and Butcher basically jumpstarting their end times by killing their only hope to be evenly matched
The Sage planned it all reveal at the end in thought was kinda lazy. Everything went tits up and sage just came in and said yea that was the plan with absolutely zero proof that that was indeed the plan. Comes back to, the smartest character in a story is only as smart as the writers.
I think the satire is just too hyperfocused on one thing. Older seasons had better satire for multiple things. It was more satiring corporate, celebrity, medicine, political both sides, religious, tradition, and hero hypocrisy themes. Now the sattire is more one side starlighters good other side homelanders bad and nothing is ever that simple there will always be bad on both ends. I may be overestimating a bit as we still had some moments of other things like vought on ice but for the most part the satire was off this season.
The frenchie Colin build up just took waaaaayyyyy too long and had way too many man cheeks and kissing. That stuff is all extra extra salt in the wound called "why the hell is he with this dude? Just cause he saw him at work and said "damn, I remember him" and he just leaves kimiko in a blink?"
Hearing people say "the entire fanbase is wrong about (x)" is pretty wild to me, it would be a lot like me telling people "if all my customers aren't happy with the service I've provided it's their fault"
The problem here is we need to have scene that are as good as necessary to the climax. Yes, all of the scenes that we have in season 4 are NECESSARY, but they aren't good individualy for the most of them. We can't excuse this for plot reason
People today get bored so easily, I didn’t care if the tone got slower because I love these characters so much. I can enjoy myself just by seeing them talk to each other or other characters and it made the crazy action/grotesque moments almost jumpscare me at times. Development is necessary for an even stronger connection with characters and to understand why they do what they do in the show. Action is my favorite genre and I love constant action but in a show like this, it makes sense to have a more slower pace. Can’t wait for season 5!🔥🔥🔥
My main issue with this season is that no matter how you see it, it was a 2 year wait for what essentially felt like filler and build up, and more than likely we’ll have to wait another two years for get any pay off. I also don’t believe that the season progressed far enough through escalation, at this point I don’t care that Homelander is on the brink of breaking point, he’s been like that for 2 and a bit seasons now. The season should’ve ended with the supes completely taking over it’s just not enough for how long the wait was. Now of course I am missing out on the big elephant in the room in Gen V filling that gap in between. I’m sorry but Gen V does not hold a candle in the slightest, it was fine but overall I didn’t really care and it didn’t progress the boys storyline far enough to justify its existence. In general it’s just really hard to stay motivated for something when you’re having to wait this long for a conclusion.
@@wiggardyou gotta pay attention bro, Shapeshifter never stole her powers, all she does is steal their identity, including memories. Starlight was going through what Spider-Man went through in the second movie (Raimi trilogy) She couldn’t use her powers and so she was weaker than she had ever been, how? Probably due to stress and a lost sense of self
I didn't get the complaints either. I enjoyed every episode, sure some plot threads were a bit slow and not super interesting, but that's nothing new with this show (season 2 dragged a bit I thought). But honestly this was a great season and set up so much for what will hopefully be a fantastic finale.
This season feels like a set up for the next one,a chunk of the episodes felt mid excluding ep.4 and the final which redeemed the seasons semi mediocrity at times,the final might be my favorite final and maybe even my favorite episode
I do see why people legit dislike the show, especially season 4, and why people still love it. I do feel that the writers are just hoping people ignore critical plot holes, and the smaller ones in the grand scheme of things. Like Ryna switching back and forth between liking evil things and feeling sad about them. I get he's a teenager and finding stuff out, but he legit likes it when some people are killed, then feels bad other times? I also found that Hughie was a joke here and for all the wrong reasons. Like he's s*xually assaulted and it's played for laughs? And Starlight giving him grief for the whole shapeshifter thing when he had no idea (but figured it out in the end), and he's made to be the bad guy? I don't think it's awful, but it was certainly nowhere near the tight writing of S1, and I liked S2 as well even if a lot of people didn't. There were big problems here and mainly relied on viewers to ignore the many, many, small plot holes and inconveniences. As I said, if you like the show, absolutely fair, but I was disappointed and feel the show could be better for everyone and fans. It can be a whole lot better!
My problem w this season is that things don't change. Soldier Boy went on ice for a season to be found by homelander. Frenchie dates some random guy then they part ways and he dissapears. Frenchie turns himself in for an episode then gets out right after. The Boys get trapped by Sage and Firecracker and everyone makes it out okay. The Boys get trapped by suped animals that kill every person that's not a major character and everyone makes it out okay. Hughie gets caught spying on Homelander and he makes it out okay. Hughie gets caught spying on tek knight and he makes it out okay. A shapeshifting assassin appears and kidnaps Starlight. Starlight escapes and kills the Assassin next episode. It feels like they could have skipped this season and started s5 with a slight time jump and just addressed the few things that did change in the first episode. Or just opened it with the final episode of this season followed by a few lines. "Sorry about your dad Hughie" "Butcher's been in the hospital" "Oi I've been tryin talk to me boy Ryan before I die to this suped up Cancer I got in me"
My only issue, was hugie's SA being played for laughs. As a victim(Obviously not as horrific as Hugie), it really sucked seeing a guy being played for laughs, or at the least not being taken seriously. Other than that, this might be my favorite season in terms of charecter and story development.
Not being taken seriously? What exactly was supposed to be funny about that scene? That part where tek knight said he's gonna make holes in hughie followed by hughie being terrified for his life?
16:07 I'd say they kinda are just doing it for shock value, they use it as a crutch to hold up a scene one because we expect it and two because they need something to capture our attention.
This story is really working on fleshing out the characters because next season the stakes will be more and it’s almost guaranteed that a lot of important characters will die so they’re just giving the viewers a deeper connection with the characters so they feel more emotions when a character is close to dying or dies
I feel like people dislike this season bc the directors had to put a lot of effort fixing mistakes that were made in s3. Kimiko and frenchie's relationship were for some reason built as a family relationship (which after s4 we know that it was defintely NOT what the directors meant to do), starlight was a complete joke, and butcher was too soft... The directors were smart fixing those problems as quick as possible, mostly bc if they let it all for the last season, it would be trash (even tho in the current season it felt kinda weird, but really necessary)
I’m ngl, the Hughie’s scenes and how they handled his multiple SAs are disgusting, like on a moral level. It was played for laughs (wtf) and I have no idea what Kripke and the writers were even trying to go for here. It’s just shock jock crap with no purpose for the show, especially how Annie reacted when she learned that he got raped 20 plus times
How exactly was the scene played for laughs? Everyone keeps saying this yet nobody actually laughed. That scene was just disturbing and that was its intention
Character development works best when it seems on purpose and with/of/for the actual story rather than tacked-on. Most of the "character development" in season 4 seemed like 'oh, in the past, by the way, I did this thing and now I'm going to go against my own interests for awhile.' This is bad, lazy writing. It feels like "filler" because, well, it mostly is. And it slows down and jumbles up the viewing experience.
The Vaught news was always extremely obviously Fox news. Previous seasons would have actor and director commentary where they'd explain that Homelander was written and acted to mock Trump. The political nature was always very obvious.
I wish in the finale they had kessler in the drivers seat butcher in the passenger seat and becca in the back seat that would have been sick to show butchers priorities now
honestly great video, really explains why 90% of the criticism of the show is knida bs just because the show adresses character stuff. Outside the ue rape shit, thats just, to much. not because its to much intensity wise but because theirs no consequences. you can tell its just the writers are using it as a way to make fun of male rape and that really rubbed me the wrong way and i do not like it. its rlly frustrating to watch to seeing someone get butterifed (as in butters from south park) because the writers and especially krip not taking male rape seriously. I dont think its as shitty in the finale with the doppelganger bc tbh trauma makes anyone very stupid to block it out and both annie and hughie have had so much trauma them both acting like idiots not adressing shit feels way more reasonable. its a coping mechanism in a way no shit neither is gonna register it as rape bc neither wants to address it as such. there so traumatized their essentially in shock still in the s4 finale. Having annie immediately recognize it as rape, while satisfying wouldnt have made sense because your not just gonna that after being tourtured for 10 days and having self confidence as low as hers. is it frustrating absolutely, but is it reasonable, id say so. People srrisly underestimate how fucked up trauma is, especially SA and identity trauma
My question is if grace is dead do the boys have anyone else in the cia who will bankroll their operation and get there special requests like they got this season, when they eacape captivity that is But part of me feels with it being the last season does the cia even need to be in it, kinda feels like the boys are all alone and all they got is eachother so they have to figure shit out
well seeing that the cia operates under the president, homelander, and that all of the boys got kidnapped I have a feeling the cia won’t be funding them. Unless homelander wants to fund them for some reason??? but i doubt it
The US is under supe control. The Boys has no backup from anyone now. They literally show everyone getting bagged in the finale. No more CIA to catch their flak, it seems hopeless atm
The season did have a lot, looooot of build up, but the ending of season 4 was all worth it, from the music to all the terrible things happening at the end it seemed so unreal an making me so excited for season 5!!
Yeah I dont see it, I appreciate your perspective on it but I still think the boys slid down hard this season. It really felt like they were just throwing out buzz words and shock value, the first 2 seasons had much going for it then that
Agree with almost all of this. The thing is, for identification and transportation to happen with any fiction, you need to be able to buy the characters, their actions and motivations. So for Butcher to go full scorched earth, we have to empathise with why he does that. He's tried so hard to take the path he thinks Becca would want, and all it brings him is more pain and more failure. It breaks something in him. It's like losing Becca all over again. I loved all of the character arcs. The whole season was about coming to terms with who you really are. MM is not a leader, he's a soldier, because he needs that small degree of absolution he gets from "just following orders". Frenchie and Kamiko are both continued with the consequences of their actions and have to find a way to carry that heavy baggage. Starlight has to acknowledge and even embrace the more unsavoury aspects of her personality and finds a way to put that into the service of protecting the people she loves. Huey has to reconcile who he used to be with the hardened mercenary he has essentially become. I loved that he had that speech about it, in which he says blood used to freak him out and now he barely flinches, and a few scenes later we see him drenched in blood and barely reacting. I loved how A Train is confronted with the real heroism of his brother and the awe of the kid and he comes to recognise that heroism is about doing the right thing and how that leads to him being willing to sacrifice himself, which he demonstrates by betraying Homelander which he knows is a death sentence if he's discovered. I love how even though he sort of flees, he ensures his family is safe and even tries to save Ashley. I love the strength of the connection built up between Huey and starlight to the extent that her leaving can't possibly be seen as betrayal or abandonment because they are joined by the same motivations that they recognise are bigger than either of them, and that her instant acceptance of his signal to flee communicates the respect and belief she has in him that he's so craved from her. I love that the Deep has just said fuck it and fully leaned into the supervillain role, which actually shows how weak he is because he's taken the easy path in his circumstances. There were only two aspects of this season I didn't like. The scene where Deep kills the octopus, the comedy was massively overdone. I thought it should actually have been a very poignant moment. Deep is scumbag but he doesn't know he's a scumbag, not really, and he is often a very sensitive character. There were times when his heart was genuinely in the right place, and even the awful things he did, like sexually assaulting Starlight, it's like he just doesn't have the self awareness to even understand why that was so heinous. So killing his lover was a sort of valediction to the small part of him that was or at least aspired to be good. I think they did it like that to demonstrate the cold-blooded intentionality of it, as he was given multiple chances to change his mind; also, it was literally like the comedy of his character dying. He was always the comic relief, but now he's a ruthless killer and there's nothing really funny about him now. So even this scene I can accept. But the thing I can't accept is what they did to Huey's dad. They made him die a killer. There was something pure and innocent about the character, and they took that from him and made him die literally with blood in his hands, for no real payoff. The whole JarJar thing could easily have been related to Huey by his mum. It would have been a touching scene. Huey has come in with V in his pocket. His mum says he must be confused and hurt about her being made executor, and saying his dad had told her about a cat called JaJar, etc, had told her that Huey was such a good person because he would hold on even when things looked futile, but that that was also his weakness because he found letting go so hard. She leaves to get coffee, not the other way around, Huey pulls out the V, turns it in his hands, contemplates, and returns it to his pocket. His mum comes back in with the coffee, and while they stand there, silently rebuilding the relationship, his dad dies peacefully.
Dude. Genuinely if they didn't trick Ryan into being trapped in a chamber he probably wouldve listened to them given a little time. Grace literally ruined everything
Hence why she died
@@00-JT fax rip you wont be missed
For real. In that moment she was being a CIA Agent, not a parental figure. Manipulative and trying to use coercion
No seriously. For ONCE (maybe twice) this season I understood Butcher’s point and agreed with his direction. I think he was really trying to play the long game with saving Ryan. I appreciated him bonding with him earlier this season. I totally understand him withholding that information and trying to deliver it to him slowly because that’s a lot to take in and he and Grace don’t know how much Homelander had really gotten into Ryan’s head or how much he was holding on to having a relationship with Homelander.
@@hahafunnybro exactly. Grace got impatient and just threw everything on him, and made him feel like he was trapped just like his dad was. That will NOT have a good lasting impression on his decisions against humans. Butcher almost had it, if he was alone in there I'm almost positive Ryan couldve been talked down but it might be too late now.
I agree that people gave up on this season too quickly. I had my issues with the show, but I think it was solid overall. My main gripe is that Colin was never fleshed out, so he just felt like a character who existed just to demonstrate that Frenchie is a monster. At least with Kimiko’s storyline, we cared a bit about the girl who came after her.
My main gripe is how the narrative seemed victim Blamey with Hughey when he got assaulted by tech knight and 🍇by the shapeshifter girl.
They had sex at the bare minimum twice a day for 10 days hughie enjoyed the dupelagangers initiating the sex n@mistake1197
Colin is a plot device not a character
@@mistake1197 I don't think they once portrayed Hughie in a way that makes him the bad guy?????
@Smackmate he exists to prove to Frenchie that he can't live a normal life and he needs someone who can match his freak
The boys fans are gonna loose their minds when they realize the majority of shows are mostly people having conversations
Majority of shows don’t revolve around super powered beings
@@theboy1625they still have dialogue lol
@@theboy1625 what else do you think they fill those seasons with
The problem is.. people have increasingly low attention span. And when they see superheros, they expect something like Avengers, where you got tight action sequences VFX and all every 15-30 mins a new place, new fight..
But this time, the boys had 8 hours runtime, with probably 1 hour of the action stuff and 7 hours of boringness.
It was nice though. I did enjoy it. But I would agree that majority people won't like it when they come to watch with the expectation of bloodshed, homelander threatening others, and people fighting each other.
Bro you aren’t smart everyone knows that dumbass thats how shows work. It just didn’t lead up to anything
My biggest criticism is this whole back and forth with the group dynamic: “I’m out of the group. Okay I’m back in but you can’t be in the group. Okay you’re back in the group but you can’t lead. Okay I don’t want to lead you can lead again. Nvm I’m out of the group. You left the group? Okay I’m back in the group.”
Valid they ain't children
@@GIGADEV690not valid, theyre all fucked up. Notice how hughie and starlight used to be cleaner and brighter than the rest, now theyre just as dirty.
It's the booooooooys
@@jennastarnes5377 bruh the world is about to end and she’s worried about hughie cheating on her with someone he thought was her. That’s like getting mad at you for having a sex dream. They’re priorities are a not straight. They’re fluffing up the more intriguing plot with all these b-side romance plots. A-train and homelander are the only ones well written this season.
That's the whole point, they're fractured
The only real problem I have with the season is that it does sometimes feel like part 1 of a 2 part finale, but I had a ton of fun this season and can’t wait for Season 5
Yeah, that's the very definition of serialised TV.
Ikr. It's like season 4A and 4B.
Season 2 and 3 have new Big Bad to stir up the story and being ended by finale.
But season 4 and 5, IMO, came in package. Firecracker and Sage were new but side characters, but still stir up the storyline. I believe they will play much bigger role in Season 5.
@@zitronenteeFirecracker I think will just be a side character and homelanders "toy" but sage will definitely play a Much bigger role in season 5 as she has her whole phase 2 plan
@@caidenFarrow Agree. I still see Firecracker as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, or closer to JustPearlyThings. While Sage is more Lex Luthor. But I believe that Sage is between having agenda and not. Just having a lot of contingency plans. She just satisfies herself. I feel that she's playing all sides and not really loyal to HL. If somehow Sage helped The Boys, I won't be surprised.
Yea that's the right way to run a show. You set up the finale so it isn't rush like game of thrones
Fun Fact: Noir's Narcolepsy is not actually random. The actor who played Noir this season is actually Narcoleptic in real life, so the directors decided to carry that over to the show. I think that's a pretty cool touch.
I think so too!
The actor who played Noir this season is the same actor who played noir in every season :') Just that this time he can speak :')
@@macky453that makes his reaction in the baseball murder scene even funnier
@@macky453 the noir from season 4 isnt the one from sn 3
That's just lame. If it's not justified in the story then it's not valid
A little bit disappointed that Hughie being raped 20 times by the shapeshifter was glossed over.
Finally someone says it. For a show that took Annie's SA very seriously it was very sad to see this basically completely unaknowledged with Annie even being angry at Hughie. This along with the dungeon scene was so fucked up and would be completely traumatizing for anyone and that needs to be adressed
Man I hated Annie this season
@Lotuss808 Well, he knew there was a shapeshifter on the loose. His girlfriend shows a change in character and he doesn't suspect something was off 😒.
@@guellaliguemra2321 You expect him to be a detective or something? People can experience change of character during harsh times, which Annie and the rest of the boys were going through. Hughie did nothing wrong and Annie needs to chill the hell down.
I think the initial reaction served to show how much Annie and Hughie both have grown in how quickly they solved the conflict. Not only did Hughie learn how to communicate with Annie over the seasons, but she learned how to LISTEN to him. It was annoying to me off the bat but VERY effective character writing
When Kimiko screamed, I glossed over it. I heard it but I missed it.
It wasn't until Frenchy was stepping into the van I said to myself "Wait, did Kimiko just speak".
I went back 20 seconds, fully appreciated the scream and shed a single tear.
Was a great scene.
Me too! It hit me around that time too. Those "No"s touched my soul.
NOt gonna lie, I glossed over it, I didn't even hear it.
Same here, noticed the second time lwhen I rewinded it to watch those sequence of events again
The scene is so badly done that you have to rewatch it to get it or even notice it; and you still call it "great".
I actually did not realize she screamed until i went online and people talked about it! I legit did not notice.💀
The Finale was fucking DOPE. I’m very excited for the Last season. I don’t care how “Butcher” turns out, but I’m in his Corner next Season.
It really was. It might be one of my fav. episodes. A lot of curve balls and I really liked the fight scenes.
we are butcher
Butchers power is that his cancer/tumor is a symbiote like Venom. I like the nice touch of Kessler being the Venom who tells butcher how to think
That’s a great point. I never thought of it like that!
My main thing I didn't like was how they handled Tek Knight. They drew out the sex dungeon scene too long and we didn't get to see Tek Knight's armor or technology. In Gen V it's implied he had super strength yet is held by restraints and easily killed.
The reason why we didnt see the armor is budget costs. they probably didnt want to put money into something that would only show up in 1 episode
And isn’t this tek knights whole thing being a super detective so he wouldn’t need armour
he only has an armor in the comics. in the series it is never implied he has anything more than super senses. the actual problem is they didn't show his powers in a cool way like they did in Gen V.
I did/do NOT care about seeing that man’s suits of armor if he even has those 💀
He doesn't have armour or tech in the TV show. He's a "detective", not a batman clone like in the comics.
Damn ryan broke my heart in this season
If they hadn't attempted to trap him and treated him like a child, but rather had treated him as an adult and allowed him to leave, things might have turned out better. Threatening and then moving to flood the room with knockout gas was a mistake; she should have simply let him leave to think. I relate to that deeply; it's tragic, but I understand why Ryan killed Mallory, even though it was certainly unintentional, like criminal he inadvertently splattered against the wall.
@@epicmonkey6663 nah it was not unintentional and homelander going apeshit should have clued him in
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@@TheJarlath9 the way he splattered the criminal against the wall metres away versus only snapping Mallory's neck through pushing tells me that it was an accident the way he processed the situation I mean he's kind of used to hurting people by now but he definitely didn't mean to kill her
Grace sold
Mallory Dumped Too Much Unto Him Too Fast.
I liked this season, but Hughie’s dad dying, him getting SAd in a dungeon right after, and then being SAd again by a doppelgänger of his girl was just kinda weird and played for a laugh
if you found those scenes funny then thats on you. It's clear you are supposed to sympathise with hughie as he says "im not fine" to starlight after the SA and the one with fake starlight was similarly supposed to make you uncomfortable when you found out about it
@@kamelo2219 except the showrunner was asked about it and he said he found it hilarious so they did that because they thought it was funny.
@garrettsindelar3774 man, that's gross. That dude's got some issues.
@@garrettsindelar3774 yeah in hughies SA during the period where he's trying to find the safe word is supposed to be kinda funny but when the actual SA starts hughie looks genuinely panicked and says he's not ok. So yes, it is on you if you found it funny
Also, during the first part where he yells out stuff he doesnt say no, he is still doing it for the mission, its not where he is actually getting SA'd but you dont understand that because you are just regurgitating an opinion your favorite youtuber said without understanding it properly
You didnt bring up the biggest issue which was the representation of hughie being SA'd and it being glossed over twice
Thrice*, with a quick "i forgive you, get STD tested" to wrap it up...
Agreed no one even cared. Poor guy
Im not gonna care until I see you all bitching about my boy mothers milk being HARRASED, beat with meant, and nutted on for 4 seasons straight. All the sudden Huey’s got It bad? 😮💨🤣
Honestly it wasn't a big deal. Maybe for Hughie but it was part of the story so roll with it
and starlight blaming hughie after the second SA was the worst of it all, made me hate that character
Kimiko letting her first words out in ages with it being a scream of agony broke my heart so much. I know the gang don't really get a happy ending in the comics but I really want Kimiko and Frenchie to live and stay together now.
My only gripe is "Sage's Plan" or the concept of it.
At this point anything can be written off as apart of her plan if it doesn't make sense to the viewer or to justify choices made by the writer's. It also undermines Sage in the grand scheme, removing her own agency and just coming off as a Plot Sniper with plot armor piercing rounds.
Other than that it was a solid Finale.
I was thinking the same SHIT. She’s a god to the writers cause she’s the ultimate scapegoat to think of EVERYTHING 😂
I feel like this kind of the excuse what happens often trying to make intelligent characters's extremely complex plans the same we got foiled before they set in motion only to realize that it was the plan all along.
I think thats a risk of a super genius character but they didnt fail at it. Her plan happening w/o anyones knowledge made perfect sense. Her calculating homelanders ego taking over and melting down and butchers brutality taking over and planning on the vice president dying and using that as suoe sympathy, gettung rid of the pres and her true candidate taking over.. it was really awesome. It was just awesome and i feel like ppl are doing their best fanfic what ifs to try and knock it down from the cinematic ride it was.
Of course you can make the claim that she is so smart that we just wouldn’t understand. She probably analyzed the characters’ personalities at a higher level than we ever could and deduced that this is how the conflict would culminate if she just moved a few pieces (shapeshifter girl, inviting Firecracker, etc).
But of course you could always argue a seemingly omniscient character like this is a scapegoat
I knew they would do this with her character when they introduced to her in her apartment full of... books. At that moment, it became clear to me sister sage was going to be the most insufferable character in the show. People actually thought that was a good way to demonstrate her intelligence, to have her apartment full of fucking books 😂. "Book equal smart person, dur dur dur". Not to mention we literally see her do nothing intelligent this whole season, only to show up in the last episode and be like "MY PLAN IS COMING TO FRUITION!" Fucking what? Also her little "smartest person" like was so god damn annoying.
My biggest complaint about the boys is the male double standard. Starlight is sexually assaulted and it’s seen as horrible why hueghy is seen as a joke. Than he gets raped by the clone and than starlight gets mad at him for being raped? What is that crap
The fact that you think it was played as a joke when nobody in the show takes it as a joke is very weird
@@maedensyndicate8798right cause the whole scene of starlight telling him to get tested and hughie doing a fist pump isn't lighthearted at all. be so fr rn
@@maedensyndicate8798 let’s think before we type ok? The time it took you to type that stupid comment you could’ve looked up that the director of the show said he saw it as a joke. Better luck next time champ
Regardless of what the director said. When you actually look at the scene of hughie being SA'd by tek knight, the only part that was played for laugh was when he was masked. After that, it was serious. @memeteam3318
@@willietonka8634 which was almost the whole thing? The double standard in the show is wild and as a male who’s a victim of SA it’s not funny
This season really showed who’s a fan of good television and story , and who just likes clips and fast action
Very damn accurate. The media literacy deficiency is really starting to become a reality rather than an idea tbh
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The season had bad writing and pacing issues for sure. Best example is the finale. A lot of stuff was packed in the last couple minutes when it could've been well spread throughout the episode
no it didnt. it showed who just likes trump
@@NK-dt1kpall I read in your comment was "wah wah wah"
The last season was great. I was on the edge of my seat the entire season.
I never lost my faith in this Season and this turned out better than I expected it to be with Major Twist and Turns.I never thought I would have to question what’s going to happen next since Season 4 of Stranger Things and just look after the Aftermath, Zoe in on Red River, the Godokin Kids are locked somewhere, Butcher will Perfect the Disease, the Boys are Taken Away by Homie’s Literal and Metaphorical A-holes, Homelander has more Power and Soldier Boy his his Hands, Ryan is going to the Motions, Sage and Kessler Won, and Starlight is out there searching for help, I don’t even know where to begin with the Material the Showrunners are Cooking now we must let Nature take its course ask, what would Gen V Season 2 would bring to us in the Table on the Finale?
qawww
why are you capitalizing random words
@@ethsinkohpropably a german user.
You sir are on to something. Nothing wrong with most fans being upset but what gets on my nerves is the fickleness of it all. Rather than see the season through and judge it once it’s done, they gave up by episode 3/4. It’s too much sometimes but I know for myself that I enjoyed it and also I’m glad I watched Gen V S1 during S4 of The Boys.
I think this season ended better than it began, but I still can’t excuse the writing staff for framing sexual assault and rape through a comedic lens. Using really personal and emotional issues as a moment to try and get some laughs is just so so disgusting to me.
When did this happen? So ur saying they weren’t used to progress the plot? I
@@pinkgoergefloyd8340 When Hughie got assaulted three episodes in a row and Starlight still gets mad at him and has to "forgive" him. If the genders were reversed, all of these hypocrites would be up in arms.
The webweaver thing wasn’t rape until tek knight knew it was hughie and was about to take advantage of him in my opinion. But the fact that Annie got angry at Hughie for not knowing that it wasn’t her and having sex with her pissed me the fuck off. Hughie basically got raped and taken advantage of and she’s angry? That’s really the only gripe I had with the last episode cause what the fuck maj
@@ryanhinga424 whether he knew who it was or not, Hughie still got abused dude.
@@ryanhinga424thats kind of like saying “oh its not rape/sexual assault because they thought she was someone else”. Like either way Hughie still had to go through sexual acts even though he wasnt consenting.
Nah, Hugie hot hoed in every episode, dude has been taking hits the whole shoe, give him a win. Now he's being yelled at by Annie for stuff that wasn't even his fault. I feel like Frenchie falling so far back into the "I'm a bad person" conflict, like we got that with lamp lighter and the scene with Nina. The rest of the season is pretty good but there's overall something about the season that just feels lesser to the rest of the show. The finale was pretty good though
Yeah, I think the repetition of plots is one of the biggest problems of this beginning of the season, it starts without a fixed goal because of a forced closure of the previous season, and then the plots of Frenchie and Kimiko for example, do not bring anything new to what we already knew about them, and even then it is not treated well at all because Frenchie goes to jail and everything is solved later by magic...
Season 4 really is the opposite of Season 3 in every way.
Season 3 had consecutively amazing episodes only for it to derail itself in the finale. Whereas this season had pretty mid episodes that got brought back with the last two episodes. Even though 3rd season had way better episodes on average, I would argue the 4th season is better even with the slow and sour start-up.
This is the perfect case study as to how much season finales matter. Why climaxes matter in general; you screw your story's ending up and it won't really matter how well you've handled the buildup prior.
Not only in that way, but also in tone, se3 was hopeful because they acually had a way to defeat homelander. Se3 was the closest they had ever been to win, but se4 is just barely anything going right
I felt this big time, and whereas a major issue with the Season 3 finale is the reset to status quo where almost nobody important actually dies even when they seem to, no real goals are achieved, here big things happen to shake up the status quo and really pumps up the hype for the future.
@@PossessedbyPhoenix Yep. Season 3 felt like a royal joy ride but everything went back to square one in the end. I don't get it. Maybe because Gen V got greenlit at the time and they needed a plot point like the supe virus to coincide with The Boys' current timeline.
I thoroughly disagree.
s4's finale doesn't work, because the build-up of the earlier episodes created no pathos, consequence or reason to care about the motivations and choices of various characters.
What should have felt like twists in the finale only felt like a meaningless unravelling of further chaos, where nothing is satisfactorily resolved in the plot.
s4's finale does not resolve the lazy, anaemic and uninspired writing throughout the season. It is such writing's logical conclusion and apotheosis.
I thought season 3 was the worst one
One thing I didn’t like was how they treated Tek Knight, this might be an atrocious take but I actually like him more in the comics. There he actually struggles with his sexual desires, he sends away Laddio since he’s scared of him losing control, he doesn’t want to be a pervert and he hates himself. The show is more “Yeah I’m a racist supe and I love being extremely perverted”. One of the only things I preferred in the comics.
i get your sentiment, there were some characters that i liked more in the comics. But we have to remember they play different roles in the history in the TV show, so its fine if they don't come out like we wished. We should see them as just different characters with the same name and some similarities and appreciate both versions for what they have to enjoy
No you're totally right, he was one of my favourite characters from Gen V and ended up being the biggest disappointment of this season to me. We didn't even get to see the suit 😭
I agree. Tek Knight accepting and acknowledging he's a depraved masochist, racist, sex freak is just... exhausting. Virtually every supe in this show is either a racist, or a depraved pervert. It's just old now.
No body could predict the story. At all. Nobody predicted sage stealing the screen. Nobody predicted that this was a loosing battle. Nobody predicted butcher having a sentient venom tumor. This season broke the hero's they are pretty much thinking they are better off dead than deal with this mess and the plot Armor is rightfully so especially when you are compounding their PTSD. MM almost died. Frenchy almost gave up. Starlight was publically humiliated and is currently hated by everyone because of propaganda. Kimiko finally can talk that's good. And hughie he was sexually assaulted right after killing his dad and he was lated manipulated into marrying a fake starlight. And worst of all butcher dude gave in to the dark side and is not just a shell of his former self. The supes were never gonna kill them they were played like fiddle by these supes.
Yeah def the fianle was basically the empire strikes back 😂😂 all put guys got fcked except Annie hopefully she preforms a plan to save them with a train
The second he said he took V and he ripped Ezekiel part I guessed he has had a parasite in him. Especially with the voices in his head
@@zanderxadvancesp284 well but you didn't predict the ending exactly who would have thought the heroes victory was planned for the villlains victory. That's why this entire season felt like they had heavy plot Armor.
a lot of people actually did predict that Joe Kessler wasn't real before that episode, myself included. It was a little predictable but otherwise this season was pretty good all criticisms considered
literally everyone assumed he had a sentient venom tumor
Shouldn't Neumans' daughter be with Samir? Unless he's not her biological parent but from that faux adoption scene with Hughie in S1, it seems the Super orphanages would be willing to shove off any child unto a couple.
He's probably in some hospital. Edgar is also out there so maybe he takes her in too.
hes a normal human so maybe that's why they took her
Sameer is officially dead, only Neumann and the Boys know he is alive. And he isn't Zoe's legal father so he has no legal right over her without a DNA test, but maybe he is hidden somewhere with no way of contacting his daughter.
Stan Edgar can't take care of Zoe because despite having a better legal claim he is still an escaped convict. His pardon was never official so he can't show his face in court.
Perhaps he's being hospitalized or was deemed unfit to care for a supe due to his disability. I hope they clear it up in Gen V s2 or season 5
@@Comicbroe405 Stan Edgar is a fugitive. He's in no position to be taking in anybody
I disagree with your defense of the Frenchie plotline. In this season they tried to further explore Frenchie’s crimes, but I think they did the perfect amount of that last season. This season, it was just more of the same, and because of that it felt like a waste of time.
I think that if they had condensed it to resolve sooner, it would’ve worked better. (To be fair, I don’t know what they would’ve spent the extra time on.)
Let’s be honest nobody cared about Frenchie and Colin side story
The problem for me was it had basically nothing to do with the overall plot this season. Season 3 Frenchie's past with Little Nina mattered cause they needed her help to get to Russia and Frenchie had to deal with Nina afterwards cause they killed a bunch of Russian soldiers at the base. This season the whole Frenchie and Collin thing didnt have anything with anything else and there were no real consequences, Collin disappeared and was never seen again and Frenchie just spent a few days in jail before they got him released.
Are we going to gloss over the fact that Starlight goes through a journey, is confronted by evil Annie, and then literally moments later doubles down on her stupid victim complex by blaming Hughie for being raped, after just having been raped an episode or two ago. It's not even as if they did it on purpose and had it be a big moment where she realizes and confronts that part of her. She's just genuinely a shitty person who only cares about herself and how things that happen to others affect her.
Didn't they literally make the entire season about her confronting how she's a terrible person and questioning if she's fit to be a hero. That's literally one of the biggest character moments of the last episode. The way you feel is how a lot of the world in the show feels, and how she herself felt.
Eventually you gotta just say "fuck it", who cares if you're a shitty person or not, most you can do is whatever makes you feel less shitty, even if you've made a lot of mistakes. Similar to A-Train. That's how she got her powers back.
Annie is a human, she says stuff she shouldn't have said, and probably doesn't mean. That's fine, people aren't themselves during extreme emotional distress. Even if the world or the audience hold it against you, you can't let those mistakes destroy you, you gotta just try your best to do the right thing. What matters is soon after she's still happily with Hughie, and they didn't let it get between them. Most other shows sacrifice natural human reactions to avoid making their characters seem unlikeable to the viewer.
@@racool911 If you can't recognize why Annie is absolutely in the wrong, and by extension the show runners for playing it off as a joke, then you need to do some reflection. Look at how the show runners treated sexual assault when it was her in season 1, and look how they've treated it now. It's clear by the episodes and the comments they've made outside that they think it's just a joke. That is disgusting.
And exactly. If they had made it into a moment where Hughie confronts her, points out how what she's doing in that moment is ridiculous and self centred, it could have been a really genius moment. But they didn't, because the writers genuinely don't see Hughie's abuse as anything more than a joke to be written off.
@@andrewgates5008It's not the same situation. You are just following the new trend of 'double standards' whenever there is a man and sexual anything. Just stop it already with the victimhood game.
@@racool911 except Annie wasn't terrible in the previous seasons and they completely retconned her into being terrible.
@@guellaliguemra2321 Is Hughie a victim of sexual abuse? It's a simple question. If yes, then the writers have an obligation to treat this trauma maturely. If no, then you didn't watch the episodes or don't think men can be sexually assaulted, which is simple not true. There are no double standards. I ask for simple consistency in their handling of deeply personal subjects like assault or trauma. They've already shown they can do this well in the past, so them not doing it for Hughie, on top of the show runner's comments that it was just for a joke, and it was supposed to be funny, shows that they don't care about the sexual molestation Hughie endures, which is disgusting. If you can't understand that, then you need to self reflect.
My issue with the season was not the dialogue, or the character development (cause I agree, it was great) for me the season felt like it was just jumping back and forth, never really committing to a main plot. I also thought the Hughie torture and SA was horrible. I also felt like they really underutilized Sage and Firecracker in the back half of the season. I still really like the season though. I’m probably gonna rewatch the season so, maybe I’ll like it even more. Episode 4, 7 and 8 were awesome. A great video though!
"never really committing to a main plot" - exactly.
The main plot was government takeover while the main theme was guilt
@@zanderxadvancesp284 I would say government takeover was a big part of it but, to me the season just felt like it never committed to anything. It was trying to get a virus, keeping Singer safe, a shapeshifter, it was the tek-knight party, it was Homelander and Sage. To me it just didn’t stick to something. Keep in mind, I still really enjoyed the season. I’m not saying it’s bad by any stretch.
Hughie was sexually assaulted for an entire 50 minutes in episode 6. Isn’t that crossing a line?
Dude I got pissed when he just called it "a torture scene."
No. The part is how they handled it afterwards. And it wasn't funny.
@@Nekotaku_TVit was its not that deep
I was genuinely questioning what I was watching throughout that whole episode. I understand it's meant to shock and make people feel uncomfortable... but I just didn't enjoy it. And I enjoyed this show with its penis explosions, herogasm etc. But that was too much.
Also i get what you mean with it being played for laughs, but man that scene with Tek Knight and ashley Sexually assaulting Hughie should NOT have been played for laughs. I mean cmon... Imagine if the scene with The Deep and Starlight from season 1 was played for laughs. It's just unnecessary
He was doing it for the mission… I don’t know if i’m not remembering it correctly but at the beginning it’s played off as more of a joke but at the end it definitely wasn’t a joke. comparing it to the starlight situation just seems really disingenuous tbh
@@loganfrazer8461 To me it felt like a massive amount of gloss-over was used in those episodes with nowhere near enough time taken to really show the struggle and pain what happened to him would cause and a double standard in how male vs female SA is portrayed. but also I can recognise the scenes as being in bad taste in an overall pretty dececent show
The sex dungeon episode just felt like over-the-top shock value designed to surpass Herogasm from season 3... except it felt gratuitous and added nothing to the plot. Just edgy sex humor because Seth Rogen also produces this show.
The reason Frenchies 'arc' sucks, is because it has no impact on the plot and only impacts Frenchie, however, Frenchie is in all honesty not having massive effects on the plot, plus hes already semi established and weve seen how he feels about himself already. So you have a character getting extremely fleshed out, but for basically no reason. Hes an irrelevant character in the grand scheme of things, but still has hours dedicated to him. Not saying hes a bad character to any Frenchie fans, hes great, just not what everyone wanted to see. Hopefully this wasnt too convoluted.
It's one of the reasons that Hughies plot with his father was so effective, we got to see a character with massive implications on the protagonists and antagonists learn and grow. Even if it didnt result in Hughies dad's death, Hughie still has extreme external importance, which glorifies HIS character development over Frenchies. Not to mention, Frenchie didnt grow much, he just accepted responsibility basically, and thats it
@@Leiba_arionand it is so fucked up what Frenchie did. I mean not only did he murder that guys entire family, he then proceeded to sleep with him for no fucking reason. Like he single handedly destroyed Colin's life and state of mind
I see what you're saying, but I also think him spending time locked up was important to not just his plot, but many others around him. His actions and trauma finally caught up to him and he had constant reminders that he wasn't able to escape. And then turning himself in because he felt like a monster gave Kimiko time to recognize how she really felt about him. She realized that Frenchie wasn't too good for her like she initially thought. And then when he returned, we saw that Frenchie was still a very much needed person on the team. Without him, the virus wouldn't be strong enough to get rid of Homelander. Sure, we expect Ryan to face Homelander eventually, but do we then expect Ryan to be able to take out Soldier Boy or Sam? I think the virus is gonna be necessary at the end and the good supes are going to accept that they might have to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Otherwise, we wouldn't have needed Frenchie to spend so much time figuring it out. So he may not FEEL like he's having massive effects on the plot right now, but I fully believe we will see the impact of Frenchie's perfected virus in the final season.
Frenchie has been a major player since the first season and he created the mega weapon that Butcher wields going into season 5. He is literally a main character. Calling him irrelevant in the grand scheme of things is wild, especially when everyone seems to love the scenes of The Deep and A-Train which are arguably as minor as Frenchie's. His backstory in season 4 impacts Kimiko and also parallels her past trauma that she is trying to grow from as well. They start the season believing that they are not worthy of the others' love and Frenchie's arc is majorly important to probably the most soul crushing part of season 4. We see how he feels about himself in prior seasons but until he acts on it by turning himself in he is not able to fully forgive himself.
This season barely even told a coherent story it was mostly uninteresting filler to pad out the season.
Banger finale fs. The S5 setup is amazing.
I didn't mind Frenchies & Collins side story but there was ZERO character development.
As you mentioned Fremchie has always been goofy and might have distracted some people. But it never hid that he's a horrible human being.
Ppl are trippin I loved this season. Only thing I disliked was frencies arc w Collin
Yeah, but it felt weird because it's really building up to something. That's why I find it so weird that Kimiko is "okay" with it. Then the finale came and the pieces fall into places and it made more sense.
@@dantederi5062i feel like more people should’ve seen that she didn’t actually want him to be with colin. She was downing beers to numb the pain before encouraging him to pursue colin
@brycerodriguez244 ye I inherently believed her but the beers were a sign she didn't. Thought it was nore about terrorist cope than romance cope tho
@@brycerodriguez244she better get frenchie tested for aids before they go third base you know
@@brycerodriguez244 I actually disagree. I did think initially she wanted him to be with Colin because she loves him and doesn't think she is good enough to be with him or probably in love at all. That being said she definitely also wanted to be with him.
It wasnt boring or repetitive, but it replaced story development for shock value episodes, such at the bdsm dungeon that lasted a whole episode etc.
They still haven't proven me wrong in three things:
- Glossing over Hughies SA
- Sage being omnismart. A scapegoat plot device. Would love to see her looking at stuff and say "I got a plan" at the very least.
- Why did Becca suddenly get shafted from Butchers brain? I'd understand if it happened after Kesler took control, but she disappeared for the second half of the season
For the third, I guess his tumor getting worse means he also loses self control, and thus Becca.
I mean look at all the shit he’s seen and been through throughout all the series. Part of his arc is him becoming a hero - but I think they’ll address it later on
They highlighted the book sage has been writing in so many times showing she has always been planning and moving pieces.
@@rpgtimefire a closed book and not telling us anything are the same thing.
I don't remember much about the previous seasons, but it feels like Kimiko and Frenchie problems are on repeat
cant believe no one has brought this up, but in the show it’s an election year, the president and election is a big part of the show, this season was always going to be more political
Wish it was less Trumpian, the hate and repetive jokes about him was tired in 2017.
@@TFAricit was always forced and unfunny
@@TFAricThe problem is that the hate and jokes keep getting more and more relevant. As long as Trump keeps being the dominant political driver, any political content is gonna naturally have to involve him, or basically be out of touch with the current climate. I'm sure the writers wish there's other stuff to parody, but 2024 is just an extreme copy of 2017, hence so will the political satire
@@racool911 I know that the writers hate Trump, probably to a TDS levels.
I also know they cried and complained about people liking Homelander so they had to really push it so people would understand that he is the bad guy.
I understand not liking the guy, as a European I am worried what he will do about Russia if he becomes elected, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is, on another level.
Yep, and terrible timing happened.
Frenchie didn't get much development if at all with the Colin storyline. It was just retreading old ground we have already seen for the most part. He struggled with drug addiction and his guilt over people he killed in the past. We didn't really learn anything new like we did with Starlight for example. We just learned about his past crimes against Colin's family specifically which is very unlikely to matter ever again. I think next season his storyline will hopefully be better since it can go more into his themes of being controlled since now he is literally mind controlled by Cate.
Imagine being Frenchie. You start off being one of the coolest engineer/scientist/etc by killing a member of the Seven.
Then you get bullied by your past again, then you're forgiven. Then you're reminded that you're controlled by ppl. Then you're released. Then you're bullied by your past again. Then you're forgiven. Then you're reminded that you're controlled by ppl. Then you're forgiven...
Then you get literally controlled by Cate lol.
Also the show's criticism of Starlight didn't work here cos we can easily see that, while she was bad to Fireworks..this happened offscreen and when they were younger.
What WAS onscreen was:
- her killing an innocent guy and admitting that she's becoming less pure
- her mother being overbearing and making her act a certain way
Therefore, it's easy to forgive Starlights old actions in Season 4 cos we can just say she was a child influenced by her fam. However, if we really wanted to test her morality then they should've brought up what she did to that innocent guy and stop trying to make her fight against her morality.
They're still trying to make her the pure one faced by her past when she lost that purity a long time ago.
@@klas-6 what innocent guy did she kill?
@@quickpawmaud Herogasm. The guy that Butcher was gonna carjack
@@klas-6 ah I forgot about that but that wasn't at Herogasm. She killed that guy in season 2. Herogasm was in season 3. Also pretty sure she didn't even mean to kill that guy and Hughie was dying. Hughie has done way worse stuff. Just this season him and his mom got tons of innocent people at the hospital killed by his dad and they didn't even care.
No they didn’t take a stab at plot armor in the final scene lmao, not one of them died, despite having implications of furthering the plot, is literally the definition of plot armor. Even though keeping them alive is pointless to homelander or the government lmao. And how could Sage account for Mallory being 1 second too late in locking up Ryan, if she did lock up Ryan, Butcher wouldn’t have killed Nueman. And why would a secret bunker deep underground have enough data to perfectly livestream what the president said about how they should have got rid of Nueman. The plot itself has plot armor. It’s a very entertaining show still but people need to stop glazing the writing, that fell off after season 2 imo.
I knew A-train wasn't going to die bros redemption arc is complete and now he is safe with his family for now I guess.
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Sage was insufferable not for anything other than the clear hand of the writing team clearly trying to write an intellectual character but being ultimately limited by their own intellectual levels.
At the end of the season it just drops that she predicted several unpredictable and random events and it just happened so perfectly without any set-up makes it quite cheap. If the president didn't blurt out the assassination attempt her whole plan falls apart. He could have kept his cool and not said anything, he could have said why wasn't anything done about this? And then the whole framing arch just dies. The shifter could have not made it into the bunker in time and it would have fell apart.
Overall it's hard to write an intelligent character when you are of average intelligence.
Sister sage was so badly written I just couldn't get myself to finish watching season 4.
If I hear she dies in the show, I'll continue watching, otherwise I'm done.
You had me until you called Annie’s arc your favorite 😂 Good god has she fallen off a cliff for me. Easily the most boring character - and she had me fuming when she was all angry with Hughie there at the end as if he wasn’t the victim 😱 I was floored.
How did sage account for a situation where Bob gets arrested if it was a result of butcher's zombie V worm?
I'm pretty sure they knew the boys were after neumen before though. I doubt she predicted the worm.
She predicted butchers brutality and homelanders ego and meltdown, both things totally in the realm of her doing. She knew homelander would try to treat her like everyone else wanting complete obedience from fear, shed try to escape thru hughie and that butcher would prob fuck that up. Its always about gambling ofc.
The Boys started off the season trying to kill Neumen. Not too much of a stretch she'd end up dying by their hands
She prob thought they’d use the virus
She probably figured that Homelander would kill Neuman for being a turncoat, it just happened to be Butcher instead.
Proved who wrong? Everyone who thought it would be any good?
I hate the trend on RUclips of hating on everything that comes out. I make sure to completely avoid bait but it really seems to be infecting so many people’s view that they sound like they’re the majority
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Fr. It's so exhausting. Like bro shut up and enjoy the show😭
What Make's it so obvious, is the cookie cutter responses, all the season 4 haters say the same shit about it being woke, and point to aspects of the show that have been present since season 1.i don't wanna believe the right is this stupid, but it's looking grim
They wanna feel smart by hating without understanding anything properly
The most accurate read of S4 haters. Just say why you're right mad.
I don’t like sages reveal for the simple reason of the entire thing being “see haha I had it all planned cause I’m so smart” it’s super lazy writing imo
What? People thought it would be good?
Just realized when kimiko saw frenchie being taken away last episode it was the first time she had spoke in years
... wtf?
The Boys will become completely unwatchable in a few years. The writers are so obsessed with cramming current day references into the show that they are dating the series so hard. Without the context of the early to mid 2020s and which hashtags trended the day most things going on will just end up feeling incredibly awkward. It's definitely not timeless television. Not to mention that even if you disregard that, you're left with bloated characters with drawn out, inconsequential arcs and backgrounds that pad for time.
Yeah, season 4 is more thematically focused, and all the characters are utilized towards that theme. However, it doesn’t mean that it’s interesting or entertaining.
Frenchie feeling bad about himself for what he’s done has been done before, back with the lamplighter thing seasons ago. His storyline with Colin is just tread ground, and being taken out of prison so quickly after turning himself in makes it feel like the consequences of his arc don’t really matter.
Kimiko’s storyline is so detached from everything and everyone else too. Shining light doesn’t affect anyone but herself, and so any scene with her or Frenchie feels like it doesn’t impact the main plot. Anything with them feels like filler, and if they and their storylines were written out, I think that “confronting your past” would have still been as effective as a theme.
Annie and Homelander have the same theme to their storylines, and they’re both still interesting. Annie’s storyline is interesting because she IS so self-righteous, that being called out on it is interesting.
Hughie’s storyline has the same problem as Frenchie’s where it took time to get off the ground, it felt like a side plot. But he has character development because he forgives A-train in a natural and satisfying way by having a reason to forgive his mom.
Frenchie’s storyline ends the same way it starts. We already know how much he hates himself for the shit he’s done. Reminding us isn’t character development, it’s character stasis. Maybe if Collin was more developed, someone worth caring about, there’d be actual drama there. But such a new character makes that impossible. But his only character trait is an ability to guilt trip Frenchie.
Then there’s a lot of the same shit with whether or not Butcher is on the team, MM bickering with Butcher and Annie bickering with Butcher.
The boys doesn’t feel like a team anymore either when they’re so segregated in their storylines.
As for the politics, the problem isn’t the subject of the satire. Satirizing the evangelical Christians has been done since the first episode and nobody had a problem with it in earlier seasons. Nobody has sympathy for conspiracy theorists either. The issue is that the politics of the show are trying to send a message. They aren’t trying to just be funny. South Park is good at satire because it makes something political ridiculous, and laughing with it is easy because it makes the viewpoint look dumb.
Annie gives an entire monologue about why she got an abortion. Is it sympathetic and make me care about the character? Yes. Does it also feel like it’s the show writers telling me what to think about abortion? Yes. Satire does not tell you what to think about politics. That’s propaganda. Propaganda isn’t funny, even when it agrees with your viewpoint.
So what makes effective satire? Making fun of an easy target without directly telling you what to think. Firecracker is funny because she’s like all the other people who rant about abortion without reading the room at all. Watching her getting beat up is funny too. That’s as far as the show needed to go. Annie giving a monologue about why she got an abortion is what makes it feel political. The key is make fun of the people, without telling you what to think.
That said, I agree with everything you said about Butcher. He went scorched earth from the start of season 3 to the end of season 3, besides saving Ryan. Season 4 needed to show us his development towards going the other way, because as heartwarming as it is to see him go from monster to human, we want to see him go scorched earth.
I mean that fact that I waited 2 years for this and all it really dose is just set up for season 5 which is another two years 😭😭
Idk but frenchie and kimiko’s side plots was terrible and needed better writing 🤷🏾♀️ Atrain had way better development imo as a side character
I fully disagree with the video on frenchie. It wasnt character development, it was character regression. He has already gone through the nightmares of his past in the last season. Just recycling it and it felt like filler.
my main issue is just how much filler there was. the tek cave, frenchies/colin arc, starlights abortion being outed. all of this could have been taken out and not have affected the story at all.
the worst part is, i feel if they handled stuff differently i think it would have been the best season yet.
also hughie being SAd multiple times just for comedy was sickening.
Tek Cave -> absurd & dark humor
Frenchie/Colin -> Guilt and feeling like he doesn't deserve love/humanity
Starlight's abortion -> she's not the saint that she thinks she is (not cuz of her getting an abortion, but her lashing out)
12:42 “Only the first season.” In other words, the politics became blatant and obvious the moment Erik Kripke fully took over.
Part of the (possible) reasons for people hating this season may be because of the writing quality this time around, it is still a good season of television but it does falter more compared to the other seasons
Sheev Talks nails most every issue with this show. The writing tanked after the first season.
Half of the episodes feels like a trailer for s5
I dont like that you never see sage do anything. Just at the end she said all went to plan haha. Getting flashbacks to Sherlock
Funny thing about the people who complain about the satire and “overly political” are the same people who loved it in early seasons, they’re just mad they just now figured out they were the ones being made fun of the entire time 😭
Even if I think some RUclipsrs are funking annoying that they even complain about good stuff I felt like the start of the season was overly handfisted, The Boys have made fun off most groups but the start felt very one sided and heavy handed. Allot of the season basically screaming Trump Trump got a bit tiring.
Overall I did enjoy the season but I was worried in the start that it would just be a one way street.
I also think these people interpreted things like A-Train’s energy drink commercial and the Queen Maeve Inclusivity Kingdom as a general takedown of leftist politics instead of what it is, which is an obvious critique of Disney’s corporate wokeness. The show has always leaned a certain way but some people can’t accept that.
That’s pretty subjective from where this show has been going lol. First 2 seasons both had political involvement within them, but were very on the down low and were pieced apart. And the third season had the genius idea of attacking both sides of the political spectrum (left/right) by pointing out its flaws which broadens viewers and brings more together. That was perfect. What did season 4 do? Forgot about all of that by showing a very clear sided view of politics that was way too on the nose. Literally a “my beliefs are good, yours bad” scenario which is why it’s taken heat by so many. You couldn’t tell the distinction if professional writers wrote it, or keyboard warriors. Whether or not you believe in those views is another thing, but it isn’t a bright idea to divide what you were bringing together. Again when se3 came out, it countered all the super hero shows that were “woke” by going all angles, now it’s sitting in the same mud puddle along side them lol.
its because the writing got shittier over time by a lot
@@TeaZeCinema People aren't reacting poorly because the show is political, this show has the most hamfisted politics I've ever seen in popular media and it's largely quite decent. Every good show has a strong statement to make, and that statement is often OVERTLY political. This… is just a very sloppy amateurish attempt at it, at least in season 4. Stop doing this shit.
I feel like it would've been better to have Kimiko fight the shifter in the bunker and have the shifter turn into Kimiko. That way she can confront the blood soaked version of her and kill it to move on from her past.
As far as people thinking the writers are making fun of them because of the satire becoming more "obvious",they all magically ignore and forget that the seasons are filmed a year in advance.The show's satire is being outshined by the absurdity of real life events,that would've seemed completely ridiculous a year ago.
I absolutely agree, this season was way better than people give it credit to. It developed characters and storyline in a way that creates an intense build-up for the final chapter
This isn't a criticism at all, but, it does feel like Kripke is redoing the apocalypse seasons of Supernatural. It even has echoes to the finale of 4, with Butcher accepting Kessler to basically become a vessel, Sage acting like Ruby when she reveals the endgame, and Butcher basically jumpstarting their end times by killing their only hope to be evenly matched
Guy must be happy af for finally being able to end a show
@@quensoueu1 ong bro. The 15 seasons of supernatural got me tweaking.
The Sage planned it all reveal at the end in thought was kinda lazy. Everything went tits up and sage just came in and said yea that was the plan with absolutely zero proof that that was indeed the plan.
Comes back to, the smartest character in a story is only as smart as the writers.
I think the satire is just too hyperfocused on one thing. Older seasons had better satire for multiple things. It was more satiring corporate, celebrity, medicine, political both sides, religious, tradition, and hero hypocrisy themes. Now the sattire is more one side starlighters good other side homelanders bad and nothing is ever that simple there will always be bad on both ends. I may be overestimating a bit as we still had some moments of other things like vought on ice but for the most part the satire was off this season.
The frenchie Colin build up just took waaaaayyyyy too long and had way too many man cheeks and kissing. That stuff is all extra extra salt in the wound called "why the hell is he with this dude? Just cause he saw him at work and said "damn, I remember him" and he just leaves kimiko in a blink?"
18:23 The Narcolepsy isn't just the character the actor also is narcoleptic
Hearing people say "the entire fanbase is wrong about (x)" is pretty wild to me, it would be a lot like me telling people "if all my customers aren't happy with the service I've provided it's their fault"
The problem here is we need to have scene that are as good as necessary to the climax.
Yes, all of the scenes that we have in season 4 are NECESSARY, but they aren't good individualy for the most of them.
We can't excuse this for plot reason
People today get bored so easily, I didn’t care if the tone got slower because I love these characters so much. I can enjoy myself just by seeing them talk to each other or other characters and it made the crazy action/grotesque moments almost jumpscare me at times. Development is necessary for an even stronger connection with characters and to understand why they do what they do in the show. Action is my favorite genre and I love constant action but in a show like this, it makes sense to have a more slower pace. Can’t wait for season 5!🔥🔥🔥
Some moments of quite silence would make my heart beat so fast because I was always expecting a bang!
@sugarmayo5333 HOLY SHIT SAME! I pretty much would lower my volume during quiet scenes so I wouldn’t get jumpscared.😂
Penultimate season is character development heavy because the final season is gonna be fully action makes perfect sense !!
I hope next season starlight actually makes her powers useful
My main issue with this season is that no matter how you see it, it was a 2 year wait for what essentially felt like filler and build up, and more than likely we’ll have to wait another two years for get any pay off. I also don’t believe that the season progressed far enough through escalation, at this point I don’t care that Homelander is on the brink of breaking point, he’s been like that for 2 and a bit seasons now. The season should’ve ended with the supes completely taking over it’s just not enough for how long the wait was.
Now of course I am missing out on the big elephant in the room in Gen V filling that gap in between. I’m sorry but Gen V does not hold a candle in the slightest, it was fine but overall I didn’t really care and it didn’t progress the boys storyline far enough to justify its existence.
In general it’s just really hard to stay motivated for something when you’re having to wait this long for a conclusion.
My one complaint is it’s weird Annie couldn’t break out of those chains, she was like deadlifting trains and shit in a montage in the first season
That's literally explained. The shape-shifter stole her powers temporarily because she absorbed her.
@@wiggard but then they were basically equals when they found in the end?
@@IvoryPrince2k24 she could've gotten her powers back in the meantime, idrk
@@wiggardyou gotta pay attention bro, Shapeshifter never stole her powers, all she does is steal their identity, including memories.
Starlight was going through what Spider-Man went through in the second movie (Raimi trilogy)
She couldn’t use her powers and so she was weaker than she had ever been, how? Probably due to stress and a lost sense of self
@@bryanarevalo7072 That makes no sense at all but alright
I didn't get the complaints either. I enjoyed every episode, sure some plot threads were a bit slow and not super interesting, but that's nothing new with this show (season 2 dragged a bit I thought). But honestly this was a great season and set up so much for what will hopefully be a fantastic finale.
This season feels like a set up for the next one,a chunk of the episodes felt mid excluding ep.4 and the final which redeemed the seasons semi mediocrity at times,the final might be my favorite final and maybe even my favorite episode
I do see why people legit dislike the show, especially season 4, and why people still love it. I do feel that the writers are just hoping people ignore critical plot holes, and the smaller ones in the grand scheme of things. Like Ryna switching back and forth between liking evil things and feeling sad about them. I get he's a teenager and finding stuff out, but he legit likes it when some people are killed, then feels bad other times? I also found that Hughie was a joke here and for all the wrong reasons. Like he's s*xually assaulted and it's played for laughs? And Starlight giving him grief for the whole shapeshifter thing when he had no idea (but figured it out in the end), and he's made to be the bad guy?
I don't think it's awful, but it was certainly nowhere near the tight writing of S1, and I liked S2 as well even if a lot of people didn't. There were big problems here and mainly relied on viewers to ignore the many, many, small plot holes and inconveniences. As I said, if you like the show, absolutely fair, but I was disappointed and feel the show could be better for everyone and fans. It can be a whole lot better!
My problem w this season is that things don't change.
Soldier Boy went on ice for a season to be found by homelander.
Frenchie dates some random guy then they part ways and he dissapears.
Frenchie turns himself in for an episode then gets out right after.
The Boys get trapped by Sage and Firecracker and everyone makes it out okay.
The Boys get trapped by suped animals that kill every person that's not a major character and everyone makes it out okay.
Hughie gets caught spying on Homelander and he makes it out okay.
Hughie gets caught spying on tek knight and he makes it out okay.
A shapeshifting assassin appears and kidnaps Starlight. Starlight escapes and kills the Assassin next episode.
It feels like they could have skipped this season and started s5 with a slight time jump and just addressed the few things that did change in the first episode. Or just opened it with the final episode of this season followed by a few lines.
"Sorry about your dad Hughie"
"Butcher's been in the hospital"
"Oi I've been tryin talk to me boy Ryan before I die to this suped up Cancer I got in me"
My only issue, was hugie's SA being played for laughs. As a victim(Obviously not as horrific as Hugie), it really sucked seeing a guy being played for laughs, or at the least not being taken seriously. Other than that, this might be my favorite season in terms of charecter and story development.
Not being taken seriously? What exactly was supposed to be funny about that scene? That part where tek knight said he's gonna make holes in hughie followed by hughie being terrified for his life?
i don’t care if hughie got captured at the end of the season, him escaping homelanders lasers and x ray vision was some egregious plot armor lmao
Completely in character for homie... Zink vent plus Homelander being lazy
@@DomiBlueShellz they said the vent was zinc?
@@solbrando they didn't confirm, but its likely
@@DomiBlueShellz laziness is homelander kryptonite
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I'd say they kinda are just doing it for shock value, they use it as a crutch to hold up a scene one because we expect it and two because they need something to capture our attention.
Sage's little flashes of manic insanity are fantastic.
This story is really working on fleshing out the characters because next season the stakes will be more and it’s almost guaranteed that a lot of important characters will die so they’re just giving the viewers a deeper connection with the characters so they feel more emotions when a character is close to dying or dies
Why the hell is everybody forgetting that butcher just tried to blow Newman’s head off a few shows ago😂😂😂
Hughie threw acid on her
Everybody was willing to kill her because she was dangerous af
I feel like people dislike this season bc the directors had to put a lot of effort fixing mistakes that were made in s3. Kimiko and frenchie's relationship were for some reason built as a family relationship (which after s4 we know that it was defintely NOT what the directors meant to do), starlight was a complete joke, and butcher was too soft... The directors were smart fixing those problems as quick as possible, mostly bc if they let it all for the last season, it would be trash (even tho in the current season it felt kinda weird, but really necessary)
I’m ngl, the Hughie’s scenes and how they handled his multiple SAs are disgusting, like on a moral level. It was played for laughs (wtf) and I have no idea what Kripke and the writers were even trying to go for here.
It’s just shock jock crap with no purpose for the show, especially how Annie reacted when she learned that he got raped 20 plus times
I'm sorry if someone hurt you in the past and that's the reason you feel so strongly about this.
How exactly was the scene played for laughs? Everyone keeps saying this yet nobody actually laughed. That scene was just disturbing and that was its intention
Character development works best when it seems on purpose and with/of/for the actual story rather than tacked-on. Most of the "character development" in season 4 seemed like 'oh, in the past, by the way, I did this thing and now I'm going to go against my own interests for awhile.' This is bad, lazy writing. It feels like "filler" because, well, it mostly is. And it slows down and jumbles up the viewing experience.
The Vaught news was always extremely obviously Fox news. Previous seasons would have actor and director commentary where they'd explain that Homelander was written and acted to mock Trump. The political nature was always very obvious.
I loved it as well. I felt that everything built up tension to the finale. So many possibilities of what would happen filled my mind.
I wish in the finale they had kessler in the drivers seat butcher in the passenger seat and becca in the back seat that would have been sick to show butchers priorities now
badass
definitely would’ve been sick symbolism but I think becca is going probably no where near the back seat for him at the moment. maybe in the trunk
honestly great video, really explains why 90% of the criticism of the show is knida bs just because the show adresses character stuff. Outside the ue rape shit, thats just, to much. not because its to much intensity wise but because theirs no consequences. you can tell its just the writers are using it as a way to make fun of male rape and that really rubbed me the wrong way and i do not like it. its rlly frustrating to watch to seeing someone get butterifed (as in butters from south park) because the writers and especially krip not taking male rape seriously. I dont think its as shitty in the finale with the doppelganger bc tbh trauma makes anyone very stupid to block it out and both annie and hughie have had so much trauma them both acting like idiots not adressing shit feels way more reasonable. its a coping mechanism in a way no shit neither is gonna register it as rape bc neither wants to address it as such. there so traumatized their essentially in shock still in the s4 finale. Having annie immediately recognize it as rape, while satisfying wouldnt have made sense because your not just gonna that after being tourtured for 10 days and having self confidence as low as hers. is it frustrating absolutely, but is it reasonable, id say so. People srrisly underestimate how fucked up trauma is, especially SA and identity trauma
My question is if grace is dead do the boys have anyone else in the cia who will bankroll their operation and get there special requests like they got this season, when they eacape captivity that is
But part of me feels with it being the last season does the cia even need to be in it, kinda feels like the boys are all alone and all they got is eachother so they have to figure shit out
well seeing that the cia operates under the president, homelander, and that all of the boys got kidnapped I have a feeling the cia won’t be funding them. Unless homelander wants to fund them for some reason??? but i doubt it
The US is under supe control.
The Boys has no backup from anyone now. They literally show everyone getting bagged in the finale. No more CIA to catch their flak, it seems hopeless atm
The season did have a lot, looooot of build up, but the ending of season 4 was all worth it, from the music to all the terrible things happening at the end it seemed so unreal an making me so excited for season 5!!
It’s funny how Frenchie’s actor has probably done the same things in real life as the character did in the past (he was in the Israeli military)
Was he gæ😢😢
@@godson200 if he was, he would’ve been killed by his own friends in the IDF (Israel is super homophobic)
@@TeagueisTrash Israel is so homophobic it’s the only place in the Middle East you can publicly be gay 👍
He def killed children
@@angeloalcantar5401 100%
Yeah I dont see it, I appreciate your perspective on it but I still think the boys slid down hard this season. It really felt like they were just throwing out buzz words and shock value, the first 2 seasons had much going for it then that
Calling it now. Once they recucitate him, they're gonna get that blondie to make him pledge allegience to homelander.
He can’t be mind controlled, I think they showed us that in S3
Agree with almost all of this. The thing is, for identification and transportation to happen with any fiction, you need to be able to buy the characters, their actions and motivations. So for Butcher to go full scorched earth, we have to empathise with why he does that. He's tried so hard to take the path he thinks Becca would want, and all it brings him is more pain and more failure. It breaks something in him. It's like losing Becca all over again.
I loved all of the character arcs. The whole season was about coming to terms with who you really are. MM is not a leader, he's a soldier, because he needs that small degree of absolution he gets from "just following orders". Frenchie and Kamiko are both continued with the consequences of their actions and have to find a way to carry that heavy baggage. Starlight has to acknowledge and even embrace the more unsavoury aspects of her personality and finds a way to put that into the service of protecting the people she loves. Huey has to reconcile who he used to be with the hardened mercenary he has essentially become. I loved that he had that speech about it, in which he says blood used to freak him out and now he barely flinches, and a few scenes later we see him drenched in blood and barely reacting. I loved how A Train is confronted with the real heroism of his brother and the awe of the kid and he comes to recognise that heroism is about doing the right thing and how that leads to him being willing to sacrifice himself, which he demonstrates by betraying Homelander which he knows is a death sentence if he's discovered. I love how even though he sort of flees, he ensures his family is safe and even tries to save Ashley. I love the strength of the connection built up between Huey and starlight to the extent that her leaving can't possibly be seen as betrayal or abandonment because they are joined by the same motivations that they recognise are bigger than either of them, and that her instant acceptance of his signal to flee communicates the respect and belief she has in him that he's so craved from her. I love that the Deep has just said fuck it and fully leaned into the supervillain role, which actually shows how weak he is because he's taken the easy path in his circumstances.
There were only two aspects of this season I didn't like. The scene where Deep kills the octopus, the comedy was massively overdone. I thought it should actually have been a very poignant moment. Deep is scumbag but he doesn't know he's a scumbag, not really, and he is often a very sensitive character. There were times when his heart was genuinely in the right place, and even the awful things he did, like sexually assaulting Starlight, it's like he just doesn't have the self awareness to even understand why that was so heinous. So killing his lover was a sort of valediction to the small part of him that was or at least aspired to be good. I think they did it like that to demonstrate the cold-blooded intentionality of it, as he was given multiple chances to change his mind; also, it was literally like the comedy of his character dying. He was always the comic relief, but now he's a ruthless killer and there's nothing really funny about him now. So even this scene I can accept.
But the thing I can't accept is what they did to Huey's dad. They made him die a killer. There was something pure and innocent about the character, and they took that from him and made him die literally with blood in his hands, for no real payoff. The whole JarJar thing could easily have been related to Huey by his mum. It would have been a touching scene. Huey has come in with V in his pocket. His mum says he must be confused and hurt about her being made executor, and saying his dad had told her about a cat called JaJar, etc, had told her that Huey was such a good person because he would hold on even when things looked futile, but that that was also his weakness because he found letting go so hard. She leaves to get coffee, not the other way around, Huey pulls out the V, turns it in his hands, contemplates, and returns it to his pocket. His mum comes back in with the coffee, and while they stand there, silently rebuilding the relationship, his dad dies peacefully.