How To End A Series | Breaking Bad vs The Walking Dead

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  • Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
  • Breaking Bad is recognized by many as one of the greatest television shows of all time. The Walking Dead, on the other hand, has steadily faded from the limelight since its explosive debut in 2010. So why have these two seemingly similar shows diverged so much during their runs on air? This video essay analyzes how Breaking Bad successfully managed to end on a high and why The Walking Dead failed to do the same.
    #breakingbad #thewalkingdead #videoessay #storytelling #marvel #memes #meme #tv #show #movie #walterwhite #bryancranston #jessepinkman #aaronpaul #rickgrimes #andrewlincoln #shanewalsh #jonbernthal #daryldixon #normanreedus #negan #jeffreydeanmorgan
    Chapters
    00:00 - Introduction
    03:18 - Breaking Bad
    12:10 - The Walking Dead
    30:31 - Compared
    36:49 - Closing Remarks
    Music (All Songs Were Sourced From Artlist)
    Introduction:
    1. Cruise Control by LOLECK
    Breaking Bad:
    1. Etude #2 (Dedicado a Bach y Paco) by Idan Balas
    2. Saturday Night in Afikim by Marcelo Nami
    3. Praia Do Norte by Amos Ever Hadani
    4. Rio, I Miss You (Alternative Version) by Marcelo Nami
    The Walking Dead:
    1. Bushwhacking by Rafael Rico
    2. Bad Friends by Tamuz Dekel
    3. Spiral by Alon Peretz
    4. Keep It Dusty by Tony Petersen
    5. La Vendetta Rossa by Benjamin Esterlis
    6. Old Man (No Vocals & Drums) by Assaf Ayalon
    Compared:
    1. Chapter in Life by Amit Sagie
    2. The Journey by Onyx Music
    3. Once upon a Time in the West Elevator by Jamison Dewlen
    Closing Remarks:
    1. Strawberry Rush (Instrumental Version) by Jane & The Boy
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  • @ryan-jamison
    @ryan-jamison  3 месяца назад +369

    If anyone's wondering why some scenes are completely blurred out, this video was recently age-restricted for graphic violence. And for those of you who don't know, an 18+ age-restriction on RUclips is essentially a death sentence for any video. So, I ultimately chose to blur out these images for the preservation of this video. It's not ideal, but it's really the only choice I had. For future videos, I will be incorporating more *creative* ways to censor graphic content. But yeah, thanks for watching...I'm out!

    • @Maske4
      @Maske4 3 месяца назад +14

      We got you my dude. Stupid RUclips and it's rules

    • @robertdyer339
      @robertdyer339 3 месяца назад

      @@Maske4I rather have RUclips then twitch they have to split they money with twitch 💀

    • @YOBAMUSTDIE
      @YOBAMUSTDIE 3 месяца назад +1

      Dude you kinda forgot about Better call the Saul! You should make video about it as continuation of this one. It also had good ending.

    • @Kaboommmmmmmmmmmm
      @Kaboommmmmmmmmmmm 3 месяца назад +1

      Also they made a spin off show with Rick and michone

    • @NemesisOgreKing
      @NemesisOgreKing 3 месяца назад

      Lol

  • @Wynnie1121
    @Wynnie1121 Год назад +7728

    I love how Walter said "we're done when I say we're done" and at the end the show ended when he finally decided to stay down

    • @fzzyischillin
      @fzzyischillin Год назад +462

      Walt kept his promise when he said "we're done when I say we're done". He died on his own terms.

    • @HieuMau
      @HieuMau Год назад +356

      to be fair, the villian gotta die but im sure Walter died as happy man
      Walter got the best death for himself by the situation
      he secured the money for his childrens
      saved Jesse so he could get a new life
      his talent is finally recognized got the attention he deserved in a way
      satisfied his Ego and vengeance
      spent his last breath with his beloved cooking tools
      and what killed him wasnt the cancer that been slowly killing him rotten but a bullet

    • @denis8936
      @denis8936 Год назад +191

      ​@@HieuMauand even the bullet was from his own weapon!

    • @RandomRothbardian
      @RandomRothbardian 11 месяцев назад +31

      @@HieuMauit could be argued that he survived… the shot that is, he still probably died from the cancer

    • @HieuMau
      @HieuMau 11 месяцев назад +83

      @@RandomRothbardian im saying that Walter choose to die that way
      yes he couldve survive that shot if he treated himself but he choose to let the wound bleed out

  • @caj1235
    @caj1235 Год назад +12386

    I think this video can be summarized with one sentence: It's better to burn out than fade away

    • @lewis0705
      @lewis0705 Год назад +287

      nah. id rather have the walking dead finish with the comics, which it did. wouldnt want it to be shorter

    • @alvinanil6996
      @alvinanil6996 Год назад +114

      ​@@lewis0705most people didn't

    • @Zerosh
      @Zerosh Год назад +60

      ​@alvinanil6996 well then they should just stop watching it then and let us fans enjoy all the later seasons and spinoffs

    • @lewis0705
      @lewis0705 Год назад +30

      @@alvinanil6996 idc about casual fans

    • @hman378
      @hman378 Год назад +10

      @@alvinanil6996 Then just dont watch lol

  • @poggerwhite
    @poggerwhite 5 месяцев назад +734

    The fact that Raymond Cruz left Breaking Bad because he disliked the mental strain it took to play Tuco yet still reprises his role for Better Call Saul shows how much he appreciates the fans and that cant go underappreciated

    • @jackpackage4278
      @jackpackage4278 Месяц назад +52

      You could tell in BCS his character was a lot more tame (except for maybe that one scene with Mike). Maybe it’s a story thing but I think Gilligan toned him down for Cruz.

    • @4thWB
      @4thWB Месяц назад +43

      @@jackpackage4278 the in story reason is that tuco didn’t have a horrendous meth addiction yet
      They definitely put that in to help Cruz but it’s a reason

    • @Neolith_
      @Neolith_ Месяц назад +7

      Reason for leaving was pathetic.
      Reason for returning was money.

    • @hazeltree7738
      @hazeltree7738 Месяц назад +55

      @@Neolith_ Valuing your own mental health is not "Pathetic".

    • @captainpep3
      @captainpep3 Месяц назад +20

      @@Neolith_from what I’ve read the actor knew people in real life who acted like Tuco, hence where he got the inspiration on how to act, and that was affecting his mental state while acting because it reminded him of those things (again, this is what I’ve read, not sure where the interview is)

  • @GoodGirlKate
    @GoodGirlKate 9 месяцев назад +54

    Frank for the Walking dead was what Vince was for Breaking Bad. Imagine if Vince was pulled away after season 1 of Breaking Bad. Tragic.

  • @pizzatime8404
    @pizzatime8404 Год назад +6232

    I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but BB taking up such a small segment of the video compared to TWD feels like a reflection of both shows uses of time

    • @MrPatPatriot223
      @MrPatPatriot223 Год назад +191

      That’s because Vince Gilligan is infinitely better at writing a show than Robert Kirkman. Kirkman had a plethora of great actors and resources to work with, but it was either lazy writing or something else that kept TWD from reaching its full potential. Luckily I hear good things about Dead City , so we’ll see how that turns out I guess.

    • @DARYLDIX0N
      @DARYLDIX0N Год назад +442

      ​@@MrPatPatriot223How can you possibly blame Kirkman when he did the least amount of work when it came to the show. He made the comics and the story, yeah, but the comics are widely accepted as amazing, unlike later seasons of the show. You can blame none other than Scott Gimple for the massive drop in quality post season 7

    • @baggybones
      @baggybones Год назад +202

      @@MrPatPatriot223 Kirkman literally didn't have much to do with the show at all (he was more like a counselor that gave advice sometimes),if you want someone,blame Scott Gimple and AMC. Saying Kirkman was the responsible of the dip in quality of TWD just shows your lack of understanding of the whole situation

    • @MrPatPatriot223
      @MrPatPatriot223 Год назад +11

      @@baggybones yeah, I guess you’re right. I have heard a lot about Scott Gimple and what he did, but that’s exactly what I don’t understand. What did he do?

    • @TheDoc_K
      @TheDoc_K Год назад +70

      @@MrPatPatriot223 so imagine there's a quota of zombies that have to be killed on-screen every episode.
      that.

  • @OneRealGabe
    @OneRealGabe Год назад +4252

    I always thought a great ending for The Walking Dead as a show would be S5E11 when the group reaches Alexandria and Rick can hear children playing behind the wall.

    • @josephmatthews7698
      @josephmatthews7698 Год назад +561

      I actually agree but the irony of that is Kirkman set out to write a zombie story where they rebuild society. He wanted to answer the question, "Yeah, but what happens after the zombie movie ends?"
      It's my humble opinion even the comic fell off after Negan showed up and completely fell off a cliff after they put him in the cell. Which is weird to say since I really liked Negan as a character. I just feel like the comic could have ended perfectly after they locked him up and showed they didn't have to kill anymore.

    • @prismaticwisp
      @prismaticwisp Год назад +85

      I’m currently on s7 and I agree season 5 is absolutely what I think the end would be, sadly they keep going and ruining and rehashing the same stuff they keep doing over and over

    • @ashphalt_
      @ashphalt_ Год назад +112

      I agree. I know most people point to Glen dying as when TWD essentially died, but you can see the show slowly loose it’s footing after season 5. Ending during S5 would have been great, the show would have concluded naturally.

    • @mattman2964
      @mattman2964 Год назад +11

      ​@josephmatthews7698 I sort of agree but idk the whisper war was pretty good too. I would've hated to miss out on that if it just ended when they locked up negan

    • @ecclesiasticman4417
      @ecclesiasticman4417 11 месяцев назад +10

      That's similar to one of Robert Kirkman's ideas for an ending.

  • @D1nocoo
    @D1nocoo 9 месяцев назад +44

    I haven’t even finished the walking dead yet, (I’m on the last season), but I stopped there to re-watch the first two seasons of TWD. the first two seasons are THE best seasons in the show in my opinion, when it still had Frank darabont as an executive producer. Long episodes, but meaningful, and when Shane was still in the show.

  • @octopusjacket3472
    @octopusjacket3472 9 месяцев назад +20

    Lets take a minute to appreciate the editing on this video, it's super clean and entertaining, and makes the video so easy to watch from start to finish

  • @ThrasherMurat
    @ThrasherMurat Год назад +2413

    Man I wanna see the alternate timeline where frank darabont was never fired and he stayed the showrunner of TWD through all of it. I feel like his vision of TWD was SO MUCH better than what we got

    • @homiekitten6161
      @homiekitten6161 Год назад +22

      agreed

    • @binterwinterboyii1095
      @binterwinterboyii1095 11 месяцев назад +93

      Somewhat agree
      I think the "turns when dies" twist explanation could have been done way better (and has been done better even in TWD"s own franchise) than blowing up a whole ass CDC building in the middle of a city and preceding on like they didn't just witness a whole ass landmark get destroyed in the most action movie bs way it ended up being
      Feels too much, TWD is meant to be more down to earth and I kind of wonder if Darabont would have created bigger hollywood ass set-pieces as the series went on

    • @ThrasherMurat
      @ThrasherMurat 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@binterwinterboyii1095For me personally the CDC arc is my favorite arc

    • @commodorezero
      @commodorezero 11 месяцев назад +36

      @@binterwinterboyii1095 Kirkman didn't like that scene either that's why they didn't explore the origins of the virus or variants until the very end. He thought the CDC arc was a mistake.

    • @billross9132
      @billross9132 10 месяцев назад +6

      The only issue I have is how smart walkers can b a bit too op and make it very unbelievable anyone can survive running and climbing zombies

  • @Archius9
    @Archius9 Год назад +1819

    The Daryl storyline of being integrated into the enemies and then double crossing them happened like 5 times. It’s nuts

    • @Maria_Erias
      @Maria_Erias 10 месяцев назад +274

      I stopped watching TWD around season 4-5 because I'd realized that the show basically repeated itself constantly.
      1. The survivors reach a place of safety.
      2. Everything settles into a peaceful routine.
      3. Rick screws it up somehow.
      4. Everything burns down.
      5. Everyone gets separated and spends a few episodes wandering around until they all miraculously wind up back together.
      It happened with Hershall's farm. It happened with the prison. It happened with Alexandria. By the end of the Alexandria story arc, I was just done. I realized that Rick was actually the antagonist of the series, and he was the reason bad things kept happening. I didn't really care to see where the show went from there.

    • @nfaisnfgay
      @nfaisnfgay 10 месяцев назад +37

      @@Maria_Eriasyup, I recognized literally the same formula.

    • @Maria_Erias
      @Maria_Erias 10 месяцев назад +47

      @@thecommonloon And how many times did Rick decide that they had to kill people because "they might be a threat", or try to take control of the situation from someone else and wind up getting a lot of people killed, or make obviously bad decisions that put his people in jeopardy for no good reason?

    • @trilly367
      @trilly367 10 месяцев назад +11

      @@Maria_Eriashow did you watch twd😅damn you just don’t like the series and that’s fine

    • @timesnewlogan2032
      @timesnewlogan2032 9 месяцев назад +48

      @@Maria_EriasYou forgot the part where the token black guy dies and gets replaced immediately after.

  • @publiconions6313
    @publiconions6313 9 месяцев назад +14

    Shane really was such a fantastic character.. my favorite part of this video is when he said "you can understand him and he's even right sometimes..."

    • @TipoIrritable
      @TipoIrritable Месяц назад

      He was right at one thing. Survival instic.

  • @calebesagaz5226
    @calebesagaz5226 9 месяцев назад +87

    *Breaking Bad is a lesson for anyone who wants to create good stories: always create characters, conflicts, twists, knowing where it will all lead.*

    • @henryjohnson3703
      @henryjohnson3703 4 месяца назад +13

      The thing is that Vince Gilligan had zero clue how the show would end. He admits that he made it up as he went along, and elements like the machine gun introduced in the premiere of season 5 were finally decided when it came time to actually write the finale itself. Hell, Jesse was supposed to die in the Season 1 finale because of Tuco and the only reason he's alive is because of the writer's strike cutting Season 1's final two episodes.

    • @whg_brianferguson
      @whg_brianferguson Месяц назад +2

      This is not concrete! Discovery authors have a place in the literary storytelling world. Sometimes it’s just better to let the world ride on autopilot, for a little bit or perhaps on its own. Exactly what the replier above me said - Not even Vince had a clue where they were going half the time.

    • @ianarias5009
      @ianarias5009 12 дней назад

      At this point
      It doesn’t matter anymore

  • @kjgames888
    @kjgames888 Год назад +2704

    I was hit with a violent wave of post-show depression after I finished ‘Felina’. I can’t describe the feelings I have for Breaking Bad

    • @arifutamekika
      @arifutamekika 11 месяцев назад +34

      i can relate totally, I wasnt able to eat anything for 4 days

    • @chickencurry420
      @chickencurry420 11 месяцев назад +274

      Something that blew my mind was the title of the last episode. "Felina" is not only an anagram of the word "Finale" but it also spells out different chemical elements.
      Fe is iron, Li is lithium, and Na is sodium.
      And all these chemicals can be found in blood, sweat, and tears.

    • @somecallmejeremy
      @somecallmejeremy 11 месяцев назад +93

      ​@@chickencurry420Holy shit! Bravo Vince.

    • @abramsullivan7764
      @abramsullivan7764 11 месяцев назад +39

      ​@@chickencurry420holy f$%& that is brilliant

    • @Jakeyisdead
      @Jakeyisdead 11 месяцев назад +37

      I've felt post show depression twice and they were from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul and believe it or not I felt it worse with BCS and I'm not ready to feel it a third time when It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia ends 😅

  • @collynlovell9982
    @collynlovell9982 11 месяцев назад +935

    What i like about breaking bad is, at the end you realize that's the only way it could end, and from the beginning it's just a natural progression with a natural ending.

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 5 месяцев назад +56

      Agreed it was the perfect ending for all the characters, Walter died on his own terms and never saw the inside of a jail cell and Jesse manages to get away free after all the torment he went through

    • @dustinlattimore7336
      @dustinlattimore7336 5 месяцев назад +57

      It's a perfect tragedy, in the mode of Sophocles or Shakespeare. The ending isn't inevitable, and is actually avoidable at several key inflection points, but the character traits and flaws of the protagonist make it seem inevitable, because those flaws shape their choices

    • @JStack
      @JStack 3 месяца назад +5

      It showed the writing and production too. They didn't have a series goal really, they would theorize situations that seemed plausible, reference it with some research to see if it was viable, and then work the elements of the dialogue and such to fit. It made it "feel more real," than 99% of "reality tv"

    • @JStack
      @JStack 3 месяца назад +8

      @@dustinlattimore7336I like the memes of how the whole show is entirely Walt's fault post not taking the massive money and job from Grey Matter lol

    • @jacyfisher6170
      @jacyfisher6170 3 месяца назад

      so u expect me to believe that over the course of 2 years (which the show takes place), a high school drop out who can only say things like "yeah science bitch" and smoked meth, could teach a group of cartel hired scientists how to do a complete, perfect cook?
      its natural that person who is supposed to be like 18, and weighs like 150lbs at the start of the show, looks like hes 40 and weighs like 200 lbs after being trapped in a pit as a hostage?
      gtfoh

  • @dubitataugustinus
    @dubitataugustinus 5 месяцев назад +1

    The music for this video was amazing!! Thank you for introducing me to some of these projects, I'm super excited to check them all out in depth.

  • @0spacecakes-hi4ji
    @0spacecakes-hi4ji 9 месяцев назад +1

    tying the end of both shows (story) to how both shows ended (popularity) was a really great analogy. i loved this!

  • @luna2.026
    @luna2.026 Год назад +3695

    Breaking Bad is one of the only shows that didn't leave me feeling empty after it ended. The Walking Dead did but I still loved the entire show just as much as breaking bad.

    • @ryan-jamison
      @ryan-jamison  Год назад +318

      I totally agree. After I finished TWD I felt so empty I went back and rewatched season 1, then I felt better. Breaking Bad never had that issue for me.

    • @CorsonDrax
      @CorsonDrax Год назад +43

      ​@ryan-jamison I found walking dead's ending to be my favorite ending/TV Episode ever. That's just me though. 🤷‍♂️

    • @ab_077
      @ab_077 Год назад +150

      @@CorsonDraxthat’s a crazy take. it’s mediocre at best

    • @nathanjordon6950
      @nathanjordon6950 Год назад +52

      Yeah, Breaking Bad went out with a bang and it didn't feel like there needed to be more, as good as it was. The finale just left you reflecting on the whole show and seeing the progression of all the characters from the first episode to the last in your head. It was a full circle moment and it was satisfying. TWD's finale on the other hand was a finale to a carcass of a show. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it until the end and I don't think the finale was bad. It was definitely well written and wrapped up a lot of the character's story. However, knowing Rick is still out there, the character that we closely followed for 8 seasons and a half, it doesn't feel fulfilling ending the show without that main character and obviously knowing that there is going to be spinoffs too. In my eyes, the show practically hasn't ended yet and it hasn't really. It's yet to have that full circle moment.

    • @CorsonDrax
      @CorsonDrax Год назад +12

      @@ab_077 I've genuinely never enjoyed an episode more. Cried at almost every scene. Wish I watched it in a theatre.

  • @jukic1235
    @jukic1235 Год назад +432

    Also in on of the interviews Frank Darabont said that Breaking Bad is the greatest show on television. But I still wonder how good The Walking Dead could have been if he stayed as showrunner. I mean imagine firing a guy that directed The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile.

    • @MASTEROFEVIL
      @MASTEROFEVIL 9 месяцев назад +17

      AMC DID WHAT!?

    • @tearex8688
      @tearex8688 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@MASTEROFEVILLMAO

    • @petemadrona2252
      @petemadrona2252 8 месяцев назад +11

      Don't forget The Mist.

    • @blakelandry9313
      @blakelandry9313 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@petemadrona2252 that was a good movie

    • @redcr33perproductions
      @redcr33perproductions 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@MASTEROFEVILyeah, they really don’t know how to make good shows anymore

  • @kamui7789
    @kamui7789 6 месяцев назад +3

    Couldnt have said it better myself even with 15 pages. Thanks for the video! me and my brother always talk about both shows but comparing them has never been a thought. This is gonna be fun to rewatch with him

  • @countercorps
    @countercorps 9 месяцев назад +2

    Great job man, loved the vid. Not too short, not too long. Just like the best show ever aired on TV

  • @kaiser7695
    @kaiser7695 11 месяцев назад +128

    I think the reason why breaking bad was so good because in the first season they made the viewer know that the show had to have an end and that the main character had to die and the entire show is made to build up to the end, they didn’t make the show then add the end, the entire show was the end

    • @ErinJeanette
      @ErinJeanette Месяц назад +2

      Damn that's true

    • @lyxgacha6782
      @lyxgacha6782 Месяц назад +4

      You’re god damn right

    • @Lucifronz
      @Lucifronz 27 дней назад +2

      Knowing exactly where the show has to go and always working towards that goal definitely helps, yeah. You can stray from it here and there, trying to postpone it, but if you *know* what the fate of your character is and how they should act in the end, you've got a good idea of what to work towards.
      Definitely explains how the Walking Dead ended up so aimless. They had the comics for ideas, but from Season 1 they never adhered strictly to it, so it wasn't essential that they follow in its footsteps.

  • @buzz1ebee
    @buzz1ebee Год назад +649

    Vince Gilligan and the rest of the team absolutely smashed it with breaking bad, but I personally think better call saul is even better. As you mentioned the team hit their stride in season 5, and that same team carried on with BCS. It's absolutely incredible. It also nails the landing with the ending too. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what they achieve next.

    • @nextleveltravelph
      @nextleveltravelph Год назад +21

      I loved BB , but thought BCS bested it as the main is just an all-star. That being said, the last season BCS was lackluster and was a letdown IMO. Oden's movie was also god awful.

    • @IvanLDiaz
      @IvanLDiaz 11 месяцев назад +50

      ​@@nextleveltravelphwdym?? The bus fight scene in "Nobody" is one of the best fight scenes in recent cinema. There's a ton of analysis and YT videos explaining why it's so well done.

    • @ErinJeanette
      @ErinJeanette 11 месяцев назад +12

      I wish I liked BCS as much as everyone else. There are countless moments from BB I can go back to and point out and discuss at length - there's almost zero of those for BCS for me.

    • @EldritchAugur
      @EldritchAugur 11 месяцев назад +52

      @@ErinJeanette BCS is a smarter and more low-key show. It doesn't have as many explosive and violent episodes but it's overall deeper and more consistent.
      With BB you can tell in the first couple seasons they didn't quite know what they had yet and were experimenting a bit. That makes the first couple seasons very fun, but they do stick out a bit, especially the horrible awkward moments like Skylar jacking Walt off for like 10 minutes in the first episode.
      BCS from the very first frame was apparent it was the work of some master filmmakers who had been steadily improving their craft throughout the entire runtime of Breaking Bad and it only gets better as it goes on. I think Breaking Bad is colored by everyone's memory a bit.

    • @ErinJeanette
      @ErinJeanette 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@EldritchAugur for sure. I just wish I liked it as much, perhaps I need to watch it again. I need to give it another chance and then I bet it'll sink in.

  • @TheOccasionalEdit
    @TheOccasionalEdit 7 месяцев назад +80

    I just want to say good work. I see a lot of creators at this kind of size having a lot of struggle in finding their voice in their video essays, but you really nailed it. You have a great intro, thesis, and the way you break down both shows serves that thesis well. Your transitions from each point also work really well. I like this a lot and I hope your channel keeps growing.

    • @ryan-jamison
      @ryan-jamison  7 месяцев назад +4

      I actually appreciate that a lot. Thank you 🙏🏻

  • @I_am_him_42069
    @I_am_him_42069 8 месяцев назад +4

    this man wrote a better youtube video script than I could ever have written an essay

  • @1000000man1
    @1000000man1 11 месяцев назад +46

    The Walking Dead doesn't even have an ending. They tried to turn it into a "franchise" by making spin-offs before they even finished it. So the technical "ending" of the main show meant absolutely nothing.
    Breaking Bad has spin-offs, but they were made after the series was finished and they're properly focused.

  • @cassellalessandro
    @cassellalessandro Год назад +138

    The fun (or sad) thing is that Kirkman specified in the last comic that he felt the comic needed to end at this point, even if he didn't want to, because he felt there was nothing else to say that would improve the story. Instead, the TV series (that was alredy an extremely watered down version of the comic) decided to keep going with 3/4 different spin offs.

  • @TrueMikoozer
    @TrueMikoozer 3 месяца назад +4

    "dude was just the walking plot hole" that's like the best quote ever loll

  • @TexanTemplar
    @TexanTemplar 6 месяцев назад +5

    The effort put into this video is tremendous. Thank you for such an amazing analysis.

  • @queenthaliathegraceful9598
    @queenthaliathegraceful9598 Год назад +1367

    The Walking Dead having so many episodes was inevitable. The Walking Dead follows source material that lasted for 16 years. Breaking Bad is a completely original story. Although I do believe if The Walking Dead started years later then it'd be a lot more comic-accurate and they'd actually know when the story would end

    • @hadessdlt8720
      @hadessdlt8720 Год назад +31

      @sr.m8641 The show is better than the comic tbh
      I'm not saying the comics are bad (the story is pretty good) just that the show is a bit better

    • @LP-PADICIA
      @LP-PADICIA Год назад +163

      @@hadessdlt8720 Not even close, tbh. The earlier seasons do a great job of keeping what worked from the early comic arcs and improving it with new material, save for completely ruining Andrea, arguably the best character from the comics. Seasons 4 and 5 introduced too many cliches and made the pacing too predictable by starting the "1, 8, 9, 16" pattern, and everything after Season 6 was hammered dogshit.

    • @hadessdlt8720
      @hadessdlt8720 Год назад +13

      @@LP-PADICIA "eveything after season 6 was hammered dogshit" ok then 😒

    • @LP-PADICIA
      @LP-PADICIA Год назад +51

      @@hadessdlt8720 It do be pretty tru tho frfr... Cliche and predictable, just became a Saturday morning cartoon.

    • @hadessdlt8720
      @hadessdlt8720 Год назад +11

      @@LP-PADICIA Is just your opinion, i don't see anything saturday cartoon on people being eaten alive

  • @TaTopePia
    @TaTopePia Год назад +1332

    SPOILERS: The only other show I've seen that truly stuck the landing as well as BB was Avatar: The Last Airbender. The finale had everything: the big final battle of the world between Aang and Ozai, the personal battle of the soul between Zuko and Azula, the Zuko/Iroh reunion, the cliffhanger about Zuko's mom, Aang and Katara finally being together. It was the best payoff and a happy ending, which we never seem to get anymore. I know it's a kid's show, but as an adult who watched it for the first time, I couldn't help but think that if the writers of Game of Thrones had just watched AtLA, the show would have ended extremely differently (and better)

    • @Jakeyisdead
      @Jakeyisdead 11 месяцев назад +85

      If you haven't seen it I highly recommend Better Call Saul I think they stuck the landing on that show as well as they did with BB but I know other people don't hold that opinion as strongly as they do with BB

    • @jolopolo4761
      @jolopolo4761 10 месяцев назад +2

      What does Game of Thrones have to do with Avatar?

    • @kellytownsend8580
      @kellytownsend8580 10 месяцев назад +5

      Shouts to Davw Filoni the mf goat

    • @soupeverywhere9565
      @soupeverywhere9565 10 месяцев назад +38

      ​@jolopolo4761 Game of Thrones, past season 5, really suffered from similar (dragged out) albeit different (stemmed from lack of source material) issues that the Walking Dead did

    • @porkydorky
      @porkydorky 10 месяцев назад +12

      YES I sometimes forget how great that show was and how amazing it's ending was/is

  • @LozenColorado
    @LozenColorado 8 месяцев назад +52

    M*A*S*H had an absolutely amazing finale. Perfect in every way. It's too bad so many young people haven't seen it.

    • @luvmibratt
      @luvmibratt 8 месяцев назад +11

      My dad would always have this show on I hated it,30 years later i enjoy it and I can go to sleep to it lol RIP Dad

    • @LozenColorado
      @LozenColorado 8 месяцев назад +7

      @luvmibratt we never appreciate something till it's gone. My dad is gone now, too. I hope they're resting in peace watching M*A*S*H

    • @MASTEROFEVIL
      @MASTEROFEVIL 5 месяцев назад +4

      "Goodbye" written in sandbags still gets me in the feels 😢

    • @LozenColorado
      @LozenColorado 5 месяцев назад +5

      @MASTEROFEVIL now I'm crying again. I bawled like a little baby when I watched it as an adult, and in my daddy's heads pace. He was in WW2 AND Korea. I wish I had understood what he saw and felt before he died. And now I'm crying like a baby.

    • @0008loser
      @0008loser 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@LozenColorado don't forget your pacifier

  • @BajaBandit
    @BajaBandit 9 месяцев назад +2

    man, you did an amazing job on this video. i watched both series from start to finish but with TWD, i felt like i was just watching so id never have to come back to it. where as with breaking bad, i force myself not to rewatch it, because i want it to feel like the first time when i finally do.

  • @johnbadman3340
    @johnbadman3340 Год назад +265

    Carl's death was what finally put me off The Walking Dead, it was just the ultimate statement of the writers not understanding the comic they were adapting, and that they had long ago traded quality story and writing for buying into their own hype. Literally the next story arc after The Saivours follows an older Carl, after a timeskip, going from a boy to a man and becoming the next Rick Grimes, and it was one of the main driving forces behind The Whisperer story that was just completely absent in the TV show. I think a really ballsy move, that could have been very well recieved if done right, would have been for the creators of TWD to end the show before they had fully adapted the comic, and end it on a high note instead of fading away

    • @LordyT34
      @LordyT34 7 месяцев назад +28

      I think they did it for the wrong reason. They didn't kill Carl for any reason other than shock value. If I had to pick one major flaw TWD fell to is it became more interested in being shocking rather than interesting

    • @RTU130
      @RTU130 6 месяцев назад +1

      Yea

    • @zacharyrayborn3781
      @zacharyrayborn3781 5 месяцев назад +15

      I remember seeing an interview where the writers said the show was actually about Carl and what a kid would be like who grew up in this kind of world. Really shit the bed there lol.

    • @shawnhenderson2091
      @shawnhenderson2091 4 месяца назад +3

      The Rick Grimes spinoff is pretty good so far, Negan's spinoff is pretty good too but the show itself went about 5 seasons longer than it should've...

    • @JulianElrod
      @JulianElrod 3 месяца назад +1

      The show bounced back in quality in the latter seasons

  • @fredy_mwf
    @fredy_mwf 10 месяцев назад +62

    I remember watching the walking dead for the first time, and being so amazed by the idea of a world taken over by zombies and I remember the zombies were actually a threat. Now it just feels like a bug you step on and carry on with your day

    • @mockjaying
      @mockjaying 7 месяцев назад +11

      And then people just get killed in the stupidest ways. Like Carl had lived in the apocalypse for so long and still got a piece taken out of him.

  • @juanespinosa9024
    @juanespinosa9024 9 месяцев назад +4

    My guy vince just did it twice, Better call saul's ending is also perfect.

  • @as7river
    @as7river 10 месяцев назад +98

    Ozymandias and Granite State, man, those episodes were unreal. The ending scene of Granite State was the most badass, perfect and beautifully crafted TV moment I've ever watched.

  • @Moofshire
    @Moofshire Год назад +102

    Im glad TWD comics knew when to end. Kirkman originally wanted to push for 300 issues, but he didn't have any ideas to go that far. Then, he tried to push for 200. But, then he again realized that he was starting to run thin on ideas for issues. So, he did the one thing any creator is too afraid to do, end their series. Hell, i was writing stories all throughout high school, and i never wanted them to end. But then i realized that i was beginning to run out of ideas, so i had to end my series of short stories. Kirkman ended his on a melancholic yet hopeful note. Ending Ricks story as Carls truly began. Im glad we got to see Carl become a father and to see the world healing after the apocalypse. Unfortunately, TWD show became a bloated corpse that was roaming, trying to find itself. Just like a walker. Instead of ending on a good note, the series finale left me utterly disappointed. Im glad Kirkman knew when to end the original comic, so that it wouldn't become a mess like the TV show

    • @cr7hd162
      @cr7hd162 7 месяцев назад

      Are u a writer

  • @0v3rgr0wn
    @0v3rgr0wn 10 месяцев назад +3

    This video felt a lot shorter than 38 minutes. I really enjoyed your background music choices too. Good stuff

  • @JaRyCu
    @JaRyCu 3 месяца назад +1

    This video randomly came across my feed today. I'm a good bit older than you, from what I can tell, and I grew up on the great zombie and horror movies. I remember being a kid in the 80s and one of the very first movies I ever got for Christmas was a VHS copy of the original Night of the Living Dead. It scared me a little, but it totally captured my imagination. Over the years, I watched everything I could get in the genre. When the first commercial for The Walking Dead aired, months before it came out, I set reminders on everything I had. I'd never heard of the comic or the compilation books... but OMG this was gonna be good! I'd gotten into Lost, Dexter, and Breaking Bad, all around 2009, and I can remember setting up my entire Sunday night routine for nothing but watching those last 2 and TWD, plus The Talking Dead.
    Having said that, I wish you had done a 3-way comparison here with Dexter thrown in, too. Where Breaking Bad went out on its own terms, and The Walking Dead refused to die, Dexter just... **** the bed. I don't have to explain it; it's well-documented now. Because of my viewing habits from back then, though, those 3 shows will always be connected. I finished off Dexter, and I finished off Breaking Bad, but I've never finished TWD. I was out the episode after Rick left, and I never went back. I've seen clips and read the ending, but this show... Rick was the heart and soul, and when he left, the show died for me.

  • @arsssf2
    @arsssf2 Год назад +100

    What Comes After was the perfect exit for Rick Grimes, was just out of place. They didn't have anything to work on without Rick, had they not killed Carl I think the exit would've been perfectly fine.

  • @naha2153
    @naha2153 Год назад +144

    25:10 I don’t think Daryl saying “we ain’t the walking dead” in S11 contradicts anything. In the SAME scene where Rick says “we are the walking dead” Daryl immediately disagrees, saying “we ain’t them” Rick then concedes and agrees that they aren’t. If anything, I think the scene in S11 shows consistency and serves as a callback to the first time Daryl really disagreed with Rick and showed his own form of leadership.

    • @bigmanliam
      @bigmanliam Год назад +30

      We ain't AMC The Walking Dead Season 11 😔

    • @100timesinarow8
      @100timesinarow8 Год назад +7

      Also Rick says the exact same things in the comics. It shows they've evolved, and that there is still hope for humanity in the midst of the apocalypse. The comics ended perfectly, and the show simply had trouble adapting it, but did so decently imo. Honestly, the ending in the comics is better than the breaking bad ending to me, but that's probably just my personal opinion speaking.

  • @jetbentley7097
    @jetbentley7097 10 месяцев назад +3

    Great essay my guy loved the video

  • @JessicaIsOkay
    @JessicaIsOkay 5 месяцев назад +5

    Breaking bad managed to avoid " jumping the shark" by ending at the perfect time.

  • @Stop_Motion_Hub
    @Stop_Motion_Hub Год назад +118

    I think red vs blue is another example of both of these. With different writers having written different seasons, and with season 13 supposed to be the end of the show, it was a fitting end. However with another writer taking over, the show resumed with the same fade away as TWD

    • @KonkeyDong54
      @KonkeyDong54 11 месяцев назад +9

      On the plus side, they retconned all the seasons after 13 and Bernie and Matt are coming back for a real final season

    • @birdfurnace
      @birdfurnace 8 месяцев назад +7

      RvB is a whole can of worms almost 20 years old. the final episode was supposed to be the end of the show, then season 8, finally season 13 was the ""hard conclusion"". RT has been going through a lot of huge changes, so while i'm hype for Burnie and Matt to come back, it's hard to predict the quality

    • @stephensmith7327
      @stephensmith7327 8 месяцев назад +1

      I kinda wonder what it would be like to compare them to Star Trek, because that franchise refuses to die.
      I also know what Mike and Rich say about the 80's/90's era of the series, but they also ended and no one talks about how they end, just their favorite or worst episodes. Also I found this podcast that reviews a TNG episode a week and for season 5 the guy who got introduced to the show for the podcast went "so when does this show get good?" So I suspect some rose tinted glasses are afoot.

    • @antonyslaughter
      @antonyslaughter 6 месяцев назад

      I stopped watching after season 4 ended. Is it worth it to continue it

  • @prxmebrr4393
    @prxmebrr4393 Год назад +562

    Man, I love the walking dead so much even with its mistakes I love its characters and developments, I can't forget Rick grimes and his last episode so emotional, and see him come back in the last episode , even though it's an ending that yells at you that it's not over yet, it has something that makes me like it a lot, the soundtrack, Rick and Michonne's words, I don't know,It makes me look back on everything they've been through and ending those dialogues is something that wins me over.

    • @sherbetdab6066
      @sherbetdab6066 Год назад +5

      Good,Huh? I`ve seen seasons1-7 a Thousand times,and as yet to watch the rest,But tuned into Dead City so far,as Maggie and NEGAN are 2 of THE best,Actually,Negan is now my Top Character,so i Hope it`ll even out when i see Rick Back wi Michonne?!! Truly a Masterpiece of Adaptation from the graphic novels.😁👍

    • @AMAli-ct5df
      @AMAli-ct5df Год назад +3

      ​@@sherbetdab6066watch as season 8 and 9 and you will love him even more

    • @billymunce4602
      @billymunce4602 Год назад

      If you loved the series read the comics it’s so worth it

    • @jeanvaljean6433
      @jeanvaljean6433 Год назад +7

      @@sherbetdab6066 you're missing quite a bit by skipping from villain negan to dead city negan

  • @imarobobot8795
    @imarobobot8795 5 месяцев назад

    I love finding new gems like your channel! Subbed and binging all your vids. Keep up the great work and don't shy away from longer form vids because your narration and writing is excellent

  • @yerielhiciano7635
    @yerielhiciano7635 10 месяцев назад

    Wow that was great. You made really good points that I actually haven’t really heard before like ending season 7 with Abrahams death and opening 8 with Glenn’s. I didn’t mind the cliff hanger but that would have been much better. Subscribed I have!

  • @saskia9720
    @saskia9720 11 месяцев назад +202

    I think another interesting comparison is how the viewer roots for the protagnoist, especially during rewatches. In BB, you start by rooting for the protagonist, but the story makes it hard when WW changes. In rewatches, you can view it from a different perspective, knowing that Walt ends up being the bad guy. On the other hand, TWD made it hard to root for the protagonists, by essentailly killing them all, and during rewatches, you know not to get attached to a character because you know they'll die or leave.

    • @Alknix
      @Alknix 5 месяцев назад +6

      If you kept rooting for Walter past Season 1 Episode 5, then you've already missed the point, and was being willfully deluded for the rest of the show. That episode revealed that he didn't "end up being the bad guy" somewhere down the road - he STARTED being the bad guy. All his problems were his doing, he could've ended them at any point up to that moment, and after that moment. Hell, I don't think there was ever a point in the entire run on the show, where going to G&E and asking for help (genuinly asking, not that disgusting display he pulled off in the final episode) was completely off the table.

    • @flatpepsi
      @flatpepsi 5 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@Alknix bro when the main character ends up being the bad guy in a show called Breaking Bad: 😲😨😰🤯

    • @redneckgopnik8164
      @redneckgopnik8164 4 месяца назад +4

      First time watching i was a super WW fanboy, then i rewatched it... realizing what a MONSTER WW and otheres have been and that Skyler White, was resaonable, YO!

  • @Tripod9648
    @Tripod9648 11 месяцев назад +93

    In many ways, we should be grateful that Breaking Bad never reached the same level of hype and fame as The Walking Dead during its prime. When a show becomes overwhelmingly popular and iconic, companies often prioritize its commercial value over its storytelling aspect. The Walking Dead, for instance, racked up billions in sales alone, with millions of viewers tuning in for every episode. AMC seized the opportunity to capitalize on The Walking Dead frenzy, creating a myriad of merchandise such as video games, custom shirts, action figures, collectibles, and more. The spin-offs alone amounted to a staggering seven shows, along with a dedicated daily show.
    On the other hand, Breaking Bad faced the risk of multiple cancellations throughout its runtime. Better Call Saul even faced the possibility of being scrapped if Bob Odenkirk's unfortunate heart attack resulted in his demise on set. Vince Gilligan's deliberate and gradual storytelling style attracts a niche audience willing to invest their patience. In contrast, Darabont's writing instantly captivated millions of viewers right from its first episode.

    • @hata6290
      @hata6290 3 месяца назад +2

      Why do you write like that

    • @soupcangaming662
      @soupcangaming662 2 месяца назад +5

      @@hata6290 ?

    • @hata6290
      @hata6290 2 месяца назад

      @@soupcangaming662 written like a true ai

    • @azuria-lg8tw
      @azuria-lg8tw Месяц назад +12

      @@hata6290it’s called being articulate and just a good, inflective writer in general. Please read a book one day if you don’t believe me

    • @captainpep3
      @captainpep3 Месяц назад +5

      @@hata6290brother I know what AI looks like when written, this ain’t it

  • @braydengeorg
    @braydengeorg 9 месяцев назад +3

    i absolutely adored seasons 1-3 of the walking dead as a teenager, and i just finished watching breaking bad for the first time ever a few days ago. i never really had a lot of interest in watching it during its original run, but was suddenly compelled to give it a try after being hit with the realization that it ended 10 years ago and people _still_ talk about it like it's totally fresh. i feel like its ability to maintain relevancy for such a long time after ending (although im sure its resurgence was influenced by better call saul ending last year) is such a stark contrast to the fact that, if you were to tell someone about the final season of the walking dead, they'd almost definitely go "oh it ended? i didnt know it was still going". i also fell off the walking dead train around the time of glen's death, as i got more and more tired of the show's obsession with story beats that existed solely for shock value. breaking bad, however, never lost my attention for a second, and never made a story decision that i felt was unnecessary or lame. it's genuinely tragic how the walking dead petered on season after season, looooong after it had already exhausted every meaningful narrative upset it possibly could have, and instead opted for a montage of shock value death scenes and a monster-of-the-week cast of cartoon villains.

  • @zelfportret
    @zelfportret 4 месяца назад

    this is such a good video thanks for sharing! :)

  • @wolfpack9273
    @wolfpack9273 Год назад +418

    I personally think that The Walking Dead should have ended with season 3. After the camp, the CDC, and the farm had all been lost causes, the group had finally found a place to stay. Rick had finally come to terms with Laurie’s death, and the Governor’s forces had been dwindled down to 3 people. It was honestly the closest the show had ever gotten to a ‘happy ending’. Not to mention they ended off Andrea’s character arc perfectly. If they had stopped there, I think it would have been right up there with Breaking Bad, but of course, they kept on flying till their wings burnt up.

    • @Josuh
      @Josuh 11 месяцев назад +11

      Moreso season 5 and after all the negan shit

    • @FaidedChainsawGuy
      @FaidedChainsawGuy 9 месяцев назад +6

      You’d love Hell on Wheels man. People from both shows worked on it and it’s chefs kiss. Ends good never a Dull episode.

    • @tucker3601
      @tucker3601 9 месяцев назад +6

      The walking dead could of ended where it did and been great, it could of stuck the landing so much better by tightening up its pacing, there were far too many episodes by the end run. Seasons 7 and 8 were so botched from this, it could of been amazing.

    • @wolfpack9273
      @wolfpack9273 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@FaidedChainsawGuy I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks for the recommendation!

    • @flabioabio1811
      @flabioabio1811 7 месяцев назад +7

      you know walking dead isnt a new show right? it comes from a comic, leaving it at the prison would have left us craving for more, 100%. its not that the show wasnt made for being that long, its just that the showrunners werent able to portray the greatness of the comic all the way to the end.

  • @dragontheif589
    @dragontheif589 Год назад +254

    With the walker thing, they were around the walkers for years. It was obvious they were gonna end up being able to handle them and not be as scared of them at some point

    • @BoogSReviews
      @BoogSReviews Год назад +67

      By the end of the time jump, I think it was like 13 years later. Of course dealing with walkers would be like second nature. The only threats are herds and the variants. Variants being a result of people complaining that the walkers weren’t a big enough threat or scary anymore.

    • @dragontheif589
      @dragontheif589 Год назад +10

      @@BoogSReviews exactly, thats the thing with any zombie show/movie. After so long they start to get easier and not as scary

    • @ThrasherMurat
      @ThrasherMurat Год назад +23

      @@BoogSReviews They should've introduced the variant walkers way sooner, so that the walkers would be a threat again. Now, they JUST introduced them and the show ended, would've been cool to see the group adapt to the new walkers

    • @BoogSReviews
      @BoogSReviews Год назад +3

      @@ThrasherMuratthey did. In season 1 Morgan’s wife tries to open a door, in episode 2 or 3 a Walker bashes the door open with a rock, in season 2 that one Walker shreds dale like he’s made of paper, and that one green blooded sludge Walker from season 8. I’m sure there are more examples, but the variants have always been there. There was also a variant in fear the walking dead season 3 that literally rips a guy into 3 pieces.

    • @captain_malaria
      @captain_malaria Год назад +27

      ​@@BoogSReviewsnone of that is intentional whatsoever, but go ahead and cope in whatever way you need to convince yourself that TWD was a great show beyond the first handful of seasons. Lol

  • @jgeybp
    @jgeybp 8 месяцев назад

    No one’s talking how good this video is edited. Must’ve taken you forever mate, good job! 👏

  • @freesh5689
    @freesh5689 9 месяцев назад

    loved the video man watched all of it and was shocked when I saw sub count. I mean the effort the quality im sure 7k is just the beginning for you :)

  • @Hardrive2677
    @Hardrive2677 Год назад +62

    Beautifully put. The downfall of The Walking Dead is truly one of the saddest things I’ve had to witness in television or media in general. It really did have such a strong foundation for the first 6 seasons.
    You said it perfectly that even though Darabont was gone, the crew was able to carry the torch for several years after and maintained a level of quality that was absolutely acceptable. The season 4 finale is still my favorite episode by far.
    The Rick and Carl dynamic was what carried the show for years and after Carl was poorly written out of the show that was the moment the franchise lost any chance of redeeming itself. If they were able to get to the comic ending without losing Andy or Chandler the show would have had a much more enjoyable conclusion even after the terrible negan arc if Carl was still around the show could have ended on a good note.

  • @SupportTheLittleGuy
    @SupportTheLittleGuy Год назад +108

    I always thought these were 2 amazing examples of what to do and what not to do, glad someone made a video about it

    • @hadessdlt8720
      @hadessdlt8720 Год назад +2

      Game of thrones?

    • @SupportTheLittleGuy
      @SupportTheLittleGuy Год назад

      @@hadessdlt8720 I watched game of thrones in its entirety for the first time a while back and I didn’t hate the ending.. idk maybe because I saw it all in one viewing it didn’t bother me as much, but I can understand why people who have been watching since day 1 felt let down

  • @deadlyknights1119
    @deadlyknights1119 5 месяцев назад +1

    The end credits of Breaking Bad give you the exact same feeling as the end credits for Dark Souls. You get that wave of "oh, It all went by so fast". I feel like that's the feeling you have when your about to die, you remember everything that got you there for a split second, than everything is over in just the blink of an eye. It almost like you relived your entire journey for just a moment before you realize it's all over.

  • @Chocolatepain
    @Chocolatepain 8 месяцев назад +1

    This was on my watch later and now I'm watching it! I can sometimes get as many as a hundred videos on my watch later playlist but I always get to them. Anyway I'm excited to watch this video, it already seems like it's high quality.

  • @superbones5000
    @superbones5000 11 месяцев назад +67

    An aspect about breaking bads ending I love is how different the two endings were. Originally season 4 was planned to be the end with Walt now on top after killing Gus and leaving his future open to now dominating. And then for season 5 flipping the tables entirely and now taking everything away from Walt until the only good ending he can hope for is to set things right with Jessie and Skyler

  • @connorkalinowski6716
    @connorkalinowski6716 11 месяцев назад +364

    As someone who has read all of the comics for TWD I understand why they continued the show for as long as they did because the plots and villains later were amazing but what they didn't understand is how much they had changed the show from the comics to where they didn't understand that everything they needed was already gone. For instance Andrea in the comic was one of my favorite characters because she was a pivotal character who held weight especially to rick but they killed her off way before they should have and totally wrecked her character anyway. And again one of the biggest mistakes was killing off Carl because the ending of the comics specifically followed carl through the world that his father and everyone who was lost along the way help build this world but now the show was just a mess because it didn't follow one specific character through the commonwealth or whatever they called it, it was just a bunch of skewed storylines with no connection.

    • @MASTEROFEVIL
      @MASTEROFEVIL 9 месяцев назад +17

      At some point The Walking Dead basically turned into a writers fan fiction of itself

    • @GuyFieri-uf4jw
      @GuyFieri-uf4jw 6 месяцев назад +12

      they did andrea so dirty it still pisses me off thinking about it, easily one of the best comic characters and then in the show she just acts dumb and gets herself killed for no reason

    • @nerdygem8620
      @nerdygem8620 5 месяцев назад

      I fucking CHEERED when Andrea died on the show, she was so annoying! But then I hear fans of the comic say she was so different, so much better in the comic and I wonder what could have been. She might have been my favourite.

    • @energeticyellow1637
      @energeticyellow1637 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@nerdygem8620 Andrea was awesome in the comics.

    • @zacharyrayborn3781
      @zacharyrayborn3781 5 месяцев назад

      Andrea was the shit in the comic and she was absolutely insufferable in the show. Also wtf Carol lol

  • @thewisegoof9531
    @thewisegoof9531 7 месяцев назад +2

    I began watching The Walking Dead last year December, and in like April of this year I got to season 8, I thought it was finished but was surprised when I saw that there where 11 seasons. I watched it all because I loved the show, but was disappointed on how it finally ended, I hated the boomerang story telling. I did like that part where Rick hallucinates seeing Shane, really dives down into his mental state. But all seasons except the last three, I LOVED this show. Great video by the way🙂

  • @joshuagentry-1388
    @joshuagentry-1388 4 месяца назад

    The directing and camera work in breaking bad and better call saul is one of the main reasons I love these shows, it just has such a unique fun camera work

  • @wazopaio
    @wazopaio 11 месяцев назад +192

    Fun fact: I went to high school with Chandler Riggs. We were buddies.
    Another fun fact: Carl's death was not originally in the script.
    Chandler didn't know he was going to be killed off until they started filming the episode. For some reason I was never told, the producers decided Carl needed to be the next to die and for some other dumb reason, Chandler was the last to know about it. He had signed on for another full season but had it cut short.
    If you needed anymore proof that AMC genuinely had no idea what they were doing and making it up as they went along, there you go.

    • @coolkiddo3110
      @coolkiddo3110 2 месяца назад +5

      idk if it's true but i was always told it was because producers decided that he was "too old" for the role, they didnt want to have a teenager on set. Which is weird so idk if it's true

    • @TCO365
      @TCO365 2 месяца назад +22

      ​@@coolkiddo3110Nah. İ think i understood whole situation. İts all about the Money. He was turning 18 and that meant only one thing... The old contract expired and it was all about either resign the contract or just get rid off him. Bastards chose second option. Classic

    • @coolkiddo3110
      @coolkiddo3110 2 месяца назад +3

      @@TCO365 that makes a lot more sense, so fucked

    • @elLooto
      @elLooto 2 месяца назад +1

      I think they read the comic, saw Andreas death scene and decided "Thats COOL! That would so work with Carl."

    • @thegatorhator6822
      @thegatorhator6822 2 месяца назад +6

      The show absolutely died with CORAL's death.

  • @deenman23
    @deenman23 11 месяцев назад +18

    its crazy thinking how jessie was suposed to die 1st season but ended up being the last man standing...wow

  • @msirrr
    @msirrr 10 месяцев назад

    I’ve often compared these two show’s endings as how to end and not end a show. Glad someone else saw it

  • @riseofazrael
    @riseofazrael 8 месяцев назад +1

    I was so young when I watched BB on TV since the first season dropped. I didn't even realize what a masterpiece the series was until I finally revisited the show last year. Watching it through a couple episodes at a time was a wild ride at times and really shows how the characters really do change over the entire series.

  • @brianachim2670
    @brianachim2670 Год назад +28

    Ending a story is easy, ending it on a satisfying way is hard.

  • @maxinepricefield
    @maxinepricefield Год назад +52

    25:00 Rick says "We Are The Walking Dead" but then Daryl says "No, We ain't them" then Rick agrees

    • @ryan-jamison
      @ryan-jamison  Год назад +25

      Oh yeah, you’re right. I forgot he says that. Okay, that part gets a pass.

    • @itch433
      @itch433 Год назад +7

      @@ryan-jamison it's about them switching from survival to thriving, completely intended. In the comic, where Daryl doesn't exist, Rick delivered both of these lines. He said that they are the walking dead during the prison ark, but by the end of the story when they were encountering the Commonwealth, he didn't believe that anymore.

    • @hadessdlt8720
      @hadessdlt8720 Год назад

      @@ryan-jamison Fix that part of the video at least

  • @The_Godfather66
    @The_Godfather66 5 месяцев назад

    It's really funny cause I saved this video to my to watch list before I even saw the part where you were talking about it and now 7 months later I am back to watch it

  • @bencegaming1716
    @bencegaming1716 Месяц назад

    I have been writing as a hobby for a few months now, just short stories and all, taking inspiration from games I've played and movies I've watched, ending the story has always been a problem for me, I get a good start, the content of the story is plentiful, but I just can't fit the ending anywhere, it always feels like there is more to add, writing is really the only time my imagination runs wild like that. Once I heard the quote you used in the beginning I have always tried to end the story, even if I have to cut out the a little bit of fat from it. This video is a masterpiece of an essay

  • @Tron08
    @Tron08 Год назад +54

    Just want to echo that my trajectory with The Wakling Dead is the exact same as yours. I dropped off around Season 7 or 8 basically due to lack of interest and I never bothered to go back. Watching those episodes felt more like a chore than an enjoyable piece of media, and you could tell the series no longer had anything to say and no plan for ending in sight.

    • @brooza664
      @brooza664 3 месяца назад +1

      I "watched" season 7 via Wikipedia summaries, then stopped caring completely

    • @venniedjr
      @venniedjr 2 месяца назад

      I remember the exact moment I stopped watching TWD. Season 9 Episode 1. I think they’re looking for supplies and there’s like a diagram of human evolution on the wall and someone kills a walker and it dies leaning on something so it’s still propped up. Showing the evolution of humans all the way to walkers. I turned it off right after that, I was like yeah I’m good on this show. I watched every week up until that point.

  • @Ant_Mann
    @Ant_Mann Год назад +54

    Loved both shows. Was a TWD comics fan and watched it weekly from day 1 so the show will always have a special place in my heart. The problem is that TWD ran into is that AMC was cheap and TWD switched show runners too many times. Because of this It lacked continuity and Consistency throughout the show. Leading to many many questionable writing decisions.

  • @CommanderColson
    @CommanderColson 10 месяцев назад +3

    If you want a tighter, concise show while watching the Walking Dead- stop watching after season 6 episode 9 "No Way Out". That episode works as a series finale, ties up almost all major ongoing storylines so much so that that the following episode starts with a time jump. That way, although you may experience the wheels starting to wobble, the train ultimately still makes it to the station if you get what I mean

  • @captain-crewmate
    @captain-crewmate 9 месяцев назад

    I agree with everything you say in the video and all of your comments, I also think it's important to highlight a lot of the things, that The Walking Dead did do, veritably right. For example, when Rick broke down for the first time, which caused him to clear out the whole prison. It made me worried for the character's well-being whilst driving the plot forward. And I think a lot of these times where they build the characters back up after they break down are very pivotal moments for the characters. But I agree and I feel like a lot of characters were killed off unjustly and just to drive the plot forward, as well as add shock value, I don't feel it's that some shows go on too long, they just go until they become wrong and they frey from the original thread so far to the point where they become an entirely new show. But as I said before I totally agree with the beginning remarks, and I'd say by around season 11 of The Walking Dead I was watching in the hopes of Alexandria building itself back up, and then they just almost gave up on themselves entirely and they got absolved into this plot that I knew would eventually just become fruitless. But just like this comment, if anything drags on too long it will eventually get boring and lose its meaning. (Can I just say this video has amazing editing and, i loved it)

  • @johnargote-rodriguez1025
    @johnargote-rodriguez1025 Год назад +515

    I still love The Walking Dead. I’ll agree that Seasons 7-8 were the weakest but Season 9 was a renaissance of The Walking Dead, it might be my favorite season.
    I strongly believe that had it not been for the 6 COVID-19 additional episodes of Season 10 that Season 10 would be looked back more fondly because I absolutely LOVE that season.

    • @Gopackgoinfinity
      @Gopackgoinfinity Год назад +9

      Yea it’s just all the hype for the finale and it being a let down cause i thought it was a average finale

    • @scoposteve8470
      @scoposteve8470 Год назад +24

      Negan carried season 7 and 8 hard

    • @moabomix
      @moabomix Год назад +6

      Scott Gimple really was a bad showrunner, it's was so good to see him depart as a showrunner after season 8

    • @lozic8824
      @lozic8824 Год назад +8

      season 7 and 8 are my favorites

    • @Dyl315
      @Dyl315 Год назад +2

      Season 4 - 5 and 9 are all equal for the top 3 for me, yet season 10 and 11 do have some of my favourite episodes in still, season 10 especially is way overlooked because the whisperers were built up and concluded nicely tbh. will say some notable episodes in 10 and 11 include ep 2 of s10 "we are the end of the world", "what we become" ep 13 of s10 and the "here's negan" ep are among some of the best walking dead eps for me

  • @ImGoat1995
    @ImGoat1995 Год назад +78

    The biggest issue with seasons 7-8 was the week wait between episodes when it aired. Rewatching them and being able binge multiple episodes at a time really improves them.
    Also to be fair to Dale, Lori, and Shanes death. Shane was already supposed to be dead at that point. Lori died around the time she did in the comics. So only Dale died early on

    • @hlebozavod6916
      @hlebozavod6916 Год назад +1

      It might work for seasons 7-8, maybe, but it defi wouldn't work for Better call Saul, let alone Breaking Bad.

    • @BoogSReviews
      @BoogSReviews Год назад +6

      Right? I hate when people rag on characters dying when it literally happened in the comics.

    • @user-sx4fc6mc6z
      @user-sx4fc6mc6z Год назад +5

      I'm glad Shane died when he did. He is my favorite character and he had a short and amazing story before it got boring and he became a side character. Dale will be missed he was cool. Lori sucked.

    • @imperiumoccidentis7351
      @imperiumoccidentis7351 Год назад

      @ImGoat1995
      I’ve been watching the Walking Dead recently myself, completely new to the series too so no nostalgia or anything. Season 7 wasn’t TOO bad when binge watched, purely because Negan and his merry men were still somewhat interesting, and watching Ricks group eat shit was a refreshing change.
      Season 8 though…holy shit, easily the worst piece of media I have ever watched. It was actually a chore to get through, even when binge watching. Only reason I even forced myself to watch it was purely because people reckoned that Season 9 was a lot better. A five year old could write a show better.

    • @ErinJeanette
      @ErinJeanette 11 месяцев назад

      That's the thing, binging the walking dead makwa it far more tolerable than week to week.

  • @waldo2543
    @waldo2543 8 месяцев назад +2

    Probably a pretty simple reason why one is clearly better than the other, one of them had a mostly fully fleshed out concept and script with a solid timeline of it taking 5 seasons to tell their story and when it turned out to be a smash hit and the studio came to them during the series peak wanting to extend it to more seasons, the writers said "NO! thank you", that it would only hurt the story they wanted to tell in order to extend the life of breaking bad past what they had envisioned.

  • @juanfeliperojas5754
    @juanfeliperojas5754 8 месяцев назад +1

    Damn... you nailed that ending analogy

  • @BonnerDoesYouTube
    @BonnerDoesYouTube Год назад +9

    Daryl's moment was ripped from Rick when he shouts in the comic "WE ARE *NOT* THE WALKING DEAD!!!" which shows that peacemaking does prevail. They just didn’t have Rick around, so they gave the line to Daryl.

  • @Elizabeth_Kingston
    @Elizabeth_Kingston Год назад +52

    I love TWD always will it’s probably my favorite show but I can’t help but admit that overall it should have ended a long time ago. I wouldn’t even say season 11 was an ending because there are so many plots that have to be resolved with spin-offs.

    • @ErkkiZeri
      @ErkkiZeri Год назад +4

      The Ending was so bland, i think it would've been better if everyone died, or if they would've shown a timeskip or explanation about what happened to the settlements and characters.

    • @Elizabeth_Kingston
      @Elizabeth_Kingston Год назад +3

      @@ErkkiZeri They actually had a deleted ending that was all the kids (Judith, RJ, Hershel JR, etc) all grown up.

    • @BoogSReviews
      @BoogSReviews Год назад +1

      Why should it have ended long ago when it still had so much story from the comics to be told? They couldn’t just end it without finishing the story arcs. I’m happy we’re getting these spin offs.

    • @paperclip6377
      @paperclip6377 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@BoogSReviews bro you've been shilling for them so much in these comments 🤡

    • @rafaelarcas942
      @rafaelarcas942 3 месяца назад

      @@BoogSReviewsbut there are NO reasons to expand more and more that franchise expect for Rick Grimmes’s return. Aside from that , what is the point ??? Not even the others spin-offs such as « World Beyond » and « Fear the Walking Dead » didn’t fully convince the public.

  • @soadsofakingfan
    @soadsofakingfan 9 месяцев назад

    Well that's what I call a well-earned subscription 👍👍👍

  • @jessediblasi3034
    @jessediblasi3034 6 месяцев назад

    Nice video my guy. Genuinely enjoyed. Keep it up! Follow your own advice.

  • @jalamity
    @jalamity Год назад +38

    Just watched this entire video and absolutely loved it! I'm shocked that you only have 2k subscribers when it felt like I was watching a video made by someone with a million. I love Breaking Bad and Walking Dead with all my heart and the points you bring up are very thought provoking. I agree, Walking Dead should have ended at season 8 and still continued the story using their already existing spinoffs like Fear the Walking Dead, World Beyond, etc. kind of like what Breaking Bad did with Better Call Saul. Great video man, subscribed.

  • @divekingfan7150
    @divekingfan7150 Год назад +15

    25:10 i think the contradiction was intentional. When Rick gave his speech, the group was demoralized by losing the prison, Beth and Tyreese and hope for a future was bleak. Also Darryl’s immediate reaction to rick saying that in season 5 was “We ain’t them”. I always thought the show was implying that Rick was wrong, and he is proven wrong when they get to alexandria and their quality of life improves alot. By the time season 11 rolls around, they don’t need to be savages to survive anymore, they have a network of communities who are trading resources with citizens following laws.
    While i agree that The Walking Dead had a major downfall, i think that line is good and consistent with Darryl’s character and for the theme of the show.

  • @tjjordan4207
    @tjjordan4207 7 месяцев назад +8

    A friend of mine wrote a kinda essay titled “The Importance of The End”. It’s pretty much about why a story should end and never overstay its welcome. His take was about how fresh and exciting something can be for us but the longer we stay with it, the more familiar we become with it and how easy it is to lose that spark. If you can end your story without overstaying your welcome, you have earned a place in people’s memory for doing so.

  • @bon6186
    @bon6186 8 месяцев назад

    Great vid bro

  • @thegamingjester7
    @thegamingjester7 Год назад +156

    This was one of the best video essays I've ever seen in my life, you should be proud and you definitely earned a new subscriber.

  • @HA5HGrimes
    @HA5HGrimes Год назад +28

    I think it’s safe to say the center Walking Dead show really ended season 6 episode 9 the best episode in the whole show, after that it was never the same

    • @slippinjimmy9787
      @slippinjimmy9787 Год назад +11

      6x16, 7x1, 7x8, 8x8, 8x9, 8x16, 9x5, 9x15, 10x13, 10x16, 10x22, 11x3, 11x16, 11x24. All amazing episodes, earlier seasons had more great ones but the show did not die.

    • @HA5HGrimes
      @HA5HGrimes Год назад

      @@slippinjimmy9787 agreed but that vibe twd always had in the early seasons ended w that episode tbh

    • @Willingtomb
      @Willingtomb Год назад +3

      Episode 1 season 7 is the end of the show for me

    • @HA5HGrimes
      @HA5HGrimes Год назад +1

      @@Willingtomb you and a lot of people unfortunately

    • @ChAnUkA04
      @ChAnUkA04 Год назад +1

      @@Willingtomb Yh most people stopped watching after that episode...I guess everyone who stopped watching were Glenn fans more than the walking dead fans...And Andrew's acting in that episode was phenomenal:)It is what it is though..S06e16 and S07e01 are one of the best episodes of the series...

  • @alduin7546
    @alduin7546 6 месяцев назад

    That was a great video damn

  • @YoursTruly78887
    @YoursTruly78887 Месяц назад

    You formed those concluding thoughts so well with how it ties into the themes from each show respectively that it almost seems like these outcomes were inevitable. By the laws of nature one was meant to walk while dead, and the other, conclude on its own terms in a blaze of glory.
    Fuckin aye

  • @_Devil
    @_Devil Год назад +15

    Btw the reason Season 2 of TWD is great and feels like a true continuation of Season 1 is because Darabont actually just got done writing most of Season 2 before he was fired. To me, I would still consider that to be a Darabont Season, and because of it, the first two seasons are the greatest in the show

    • @ArDeeMee
      @ArDeeMee 11 месяцев назад +1

      I liked S2 because it gave us time to actually see the characters develop. Which is ironic, given that it only happens in a single place because their budget got slashed drastically.
      Especially Shane got to be an actual person, and I felt so bad for him when everyone turned on him for no real reason. He was innocent of everything Rick and Lori threw his way…

    • @billross9132
      @billross9132 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@ArDeeMeeShane was a mess. He tried to rape Lori and murder Rick all cause he was horny for Lori. Shane was a loose canon who was not fit to b leader

  • @theantone7476
    @theantone7476 Год назад +27

    This my view on Breaking Bad and Walking Dead following your excellent analysis
    Breaking Bad - Incredible series from start to finish. The story is solid and so is every single character from main, to secondary to recurring or very minor roles all played an important aspect in one way or another. I got into this series about a week after finishing high school in late 2013, I bought the first season on DVD. Loved it and over time I would buy all the seasons and have had two rewatches so far. It continues to age like fine wine and they had the entire story mapped out for the seasons from start to finish. Although I think Better Call Saul is far superior, I still love Breaking Bad so much. The ending was perfect and went out on a high note
    Walking Dead - I got into this a lot earlier than Breaking Bad three years earlier when Walking Dead first aired. I wasn’t the biggest zombie fan but this sold it for me. The first five seasons were incredible and they still are actually. The story from the first five seasons were spot on, it was red hot. It was exciting. They didn’t just copy the comics, they adapted and changed things around which helped contribute to the success of the series
    But then came seasons 6 - 8 which I considered the dark ages, I lost a lot of interest over time as a fan and I grew to hate watching it. Why didn’t I stop? I probably should have back then. However, I had faith that things would turn around soon and that I was waiting for the Whisperers to arrive. So from seasons 6 - 8, my hope was decreasing with every episode. The quality was so bad and bland. Negan isn’t interesting and that’s not a dig at JDM. The whole Negan storyline and keeping him alive in this series like in the comics was horrible for me
    Then came season 9, and my interest in TWD was renewed. It felt like new life had entered the series making me a super hardcore fan again. Yes, The Whisperers were introduced but man the quality was so much better, the episodes and even the absence of Rick which shocked me. Season 10 killed everything for me and I stopped for good halfway through after the Whisperer War. The quality of the story, episodes and characters was so bad it was back to seasons 6 - 8 and that was the last straw. I didn’t watch TWD again until the final episode. I knew what the season was because I read all the comics. But bloody hell the ending to TWD was so awful, it was generic and safe
    I don't even care about all the TWD spinoffs and this stupid idea of having their universe brought up

  • @nikolaimartiskainen4128
    @nikolaimartiskainen4128 4 месяца назад

    Awesome video! Kind of a missed moment when you talked about the zombies in bo3 and didn't show footage of Jesse playing zombies

  • @foodfan731
    @foodfan731 4 месяца назад

    Damn 1million views and only 9k subs? That's just sad. Subbed!

  • @Charzite25
    @Charzite25 Год назад +41

    This video even had a better ending than TWD

  • @PlasuMinasu
    @PlasuMinasu Год назад +62

    I like to hear something different about the show. you put a great video together.
    As someone who is also trying to make longer videos myself, I have so much respect for everyone making these long videos. Keep up the great work buddy

    • @ryan-jamison
      @ryan-jamison  Год назад +7

      Thank you! It took a lot of work but I’m proud of the result. And you already have some really solid stuff on your channel! Just keep at it, man 👏🏻

  • @Stop_being_younger_than_me
    @Stop_being_younger_than_me 9 месяцев назад +1

    F is for Family is a recent show that ended too soon but actually ended perfectly as well, going full circle while keeping all the development. I didn't think I'd watch another show that ended the way it did. Breaking Bad ended too soon but made sense, TWD went on for too long and didn't make sense. Great video analysis, it was entertaining and I agree mostly.

  • @TheOnlyTaps
    @TheOnlyTaps 8 месяцев назад

    Fantastic watch and analysis 👊🏿💜. I can probably count on one hand the amount of shows that ended the way Breaking Bad ended. Its truly an art on how to start and end. Coz so many shows these days either end up being too brief or too long. Especially too long, coz they find so much success then don't stop milking the metaphorical cash cow up to the point where everything becomes stale and repetitive 😂.