I would have Bowie Jane over Nicole A. I agree both were weak players but: 1. Bowie went the ENTIRE GAME without being nominated, excluding the Final 3 round which doesn't count obviously as anyone who doesn't win final HOH is automatically nominated. 2. She won a good number of competitions (more comp wins than Nicole) plus had quite a good social game (so did Nicole, so that part is a wash). She was kind of a goat who rarely wins a jury vote but so was Nicole. Nicole's only winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 6 of her season is maybe Holly, and I am not even sure she beats Holly. She for sure loses to Cliff, Tommy, Jackson, Christie. Bowie loses to almost everyone too, but that again makes them no different there. Bowie not being targetted all game, plus her superior comp performance, puts her over Nicole for me. Also remember 1 of Nicole's 2 HOH wins was thrown to her per the awful deal Cliff made, so technically does not even count. And I would FOR SURE have Janelle over Nicole. I agree Janelle wasn't any good outside of her comp wins, but the fact is if she wins the final HOH (which she probably does atleast 8 times out of 10) she takes Erika and wins 100%. Nicole was very unlikely to ever win BB21. Plus Janelle's comp dominance is better than anything about Nicole's game.
Honestly u bring up a great point. Both Nicole and Bowie's games were mediocre as that's a pick em. I can't put Janelle bb7 game higher cuz so many times she was 1 comp away from being out as well as redoing the hoh saved her from being a perjury boot as well
@@whats_holden_up I see your point on Janelle but the fact is she is one of the all time best competitors in the history of BB. She most likely wins all those same comps on a rerun and makes it as far as she did, with a great shot to win.
@@jordanhayes4187 How can Nicole win if she keeps Tommy? She is in Final 4 with Cliff, Tommy, Jackson. All 3 beat her in a jury vote, this has been confirmed by the cast. And of those 3 the only one she has a small chance against is Jackson, but Jackson was taking Cliff and Tommy both over her at that point, and Nicole herself was taking both Cliff and Tommy before Jackson, so even then that Final 2 never happens. So while keeping Holly was dumb, ironically it was the only way she has a small shot to win the game as well as she might beat Holly in a Final 2. Both had no chance to win, except in the scenario Nicole makes the move that gives her almost no shot at the end by keeping Holly, so that part is a wash. Bowie Jane is better in every other way.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck Jackson would’ve gotten out since he won that HOH the week before and Clif would take Nicole and Tommy is a wild card for who to pick. Doing that big of a move would’ve gained her a lot of votes.
She is overrated. She let a gay guy faking being her boyfriend completely manipulate her. She was also schooled and far outplayed by Karen, and Karen was taken out in a flukey way.
Credit where credit is due, even though Bowie Jane played a cluelessly horrible game, she never got nominated until finale, which is something that only 6 players (including her) have ever done as of the end of season 25. The other 5 players being: 1. Danielle Reyes BB3 2. Jason Guy BB3 3. Derrick Levasseur BB16 4. Cody Calafiore BB22 (Never nominated, won final hoh) 5. Enzo Palumbo BB22
Yes which is why despite how bad she is, she should be higher on this list. 3rd place finishers on average are very weak anyway, it is amazing how often goats get voted out last on Big Brother compared to Survivor.
In my opinion, you ranked Danielle M a bit too high cause she made one of the dumbest mistakes of all time by using the Veto on Dan in the final 4. The fact that she made such a mistake this late into the season shows that she's not one who is capable of making decisions good for her game.
I agree with Janelle's BB11 game ranking much higher than her BB7 game (although both could be a bit higher than you have them, particularly BB7 seems just too low). BB11 she survived without a comp win many rounds, and the minority alliance targeted almost all her allies before her, despite being by far the biggest comp threat and probably overall threat of the Soverigns. BB7 she would have been targeted and taken out at almost every point by even her own allies without comp wins. The only one who never would have is Howie, everyone else she was close with- Will, Boogie, Marcellas, James, was ready to put her up and take her out at every moment.
I think Turner is too high. Guy was an idiot, had no clue what was going on, was weak in all areas except for his comp wins, where he was still outshone by Michael, Monte, and maybe Bri. And got voted out by closest ally who would have smoked him in a jury vote in favor of someone who destroyed him, that is just embarassing, especialy after giving up his entire game for said guy towards the end before that.
I agree Turner was bad strategically but socially he was fine for most of the game. I can see Turner being a couple spots lower but he's not terrible like Victoria, Adam or Azah and atleast made some type of path for himself in the game
@@whats_holden_up I agree he is better than Victoria or Adam, but not sure on Azah. Azah was great socially, and strategically Turner was even worse than her. His only edge is comps. Plus she probably wins the game if she or Derek F win final HOH as she wins a Derek F-Azah Final 2. Xavier was almost always winning Final HOH in that Final 3, so pretty moot, but still.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck the thing is Azah would've taken Xavier instead of Big D. Also me or u could've beaten Big D at the end and we weren't even in bb23
@@whats_holden_up I would actually be a big jury threat if I were on Big Brother (bigger than over half of this list atleast, funny most of the final vote offs on BB aren't even big jury threats which is the opposite of Survivor). I am intelligent, would be strategic enough without leading things, to try and keep myself from being targetted, and also preventing a jury being too bitter at me, but also thinking of me as an active player. I speak well and would answer jury questions well. I am decently likeable. I would probably not make the end, as I would not be that great in competitions, especialy physical ones, and would be taken out in the Final 5 or Final 6 as a threat. Yes I would crush Derek F 9-0. Still Turner was even less of a jury threat on his season than Azah in hers. I think he legit loses to Monte 9-0, and Monte lost to Taylor 8-1. I am not sure he wins in a Final 2 against anyone, maybe Alyssa, but not even sure there.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck I would be a huge jury threat to probably. I'm strategic, social and have a good grasp. I have a flamboyant personality and talkative so I could be taken out from blindside but if I get a stranglehold id be very dangerous. My ceiling as a player is a Boogies BB7 game. My floor is Nick from BB15
Cam is a part of the Victorio, Bowie Jan trio of "doing nothing the entire game and still getting cut despite being an easy goat"
I just realized Janelle got 3rd twice.
3rd twice in a row too! BB6 and BB7. I'm still heartbroken she never won.
JC is top notch socially
I would have Bowie Jane over Nicole A. I agree both were weak players but:
1. Bowie went the ENTIRE GAME without being nominated, excluding the Final 3 round which doesn't count obviously as anyone who doesn't win final HOH is automatically nominated.
2. She won a good number of competitions (more comp wins than Nicole) plus had quite a good social game (so did Nicole, so that part is a wash).
She was kind of a goat who rarely wins a jury vote but so was Nicole. Nicole's only winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 6 of her season is maybe Holly, and I am not even sure she beats Holly. She for sure loses to Cliff, Tommy, Jackson, Christie. Bowie loses to almost everyone too, but that again makes them no different there. Bowie not being targetted all game, plus her superior comp performance, puts her over Nicole for me. Also remember 1 of Nicole's 2 HOH wins was thrown to her per the awful deal Cliff made, so technically does not even count.
And I would FOR SURE have Janelle over Nicole. I agree Janelle wasn't any good outside of her comp wins, but the fact is if she wins the final HOH (which she probably does atleast 8 times out of 10) she takes Erika and wins 100%. Nicole was very unlikely to ever win BB21. Plus Janelle's comp dominance is better than anything about Nicole's game.
Honestly u bring up a great point. Both Nicole and Bowie's games were mediocre as that's a pick em. I can't put Janelle bb7 game higher cuz so many times she was 1 comp away from being out as well as redoing the hoh saved her from being a perjury boot as well
@@whats_holden_up I see your point on Janelle but the fact is she is one of the all time best competitors in the history of BB. She most likely wins all those same comps on a rerun and makes it as far as she did, with a great shot to win.
I think Nicole A had a higher chance of winning though if she would’ve saved Tommy, but Bowie Jane never had any chance at all
@@jordanhayes4187 How can Nicole win if she keeps Tommy? She is in Final 4 with Cliff, Tommy, Jackson. All 3 beat her in a jury vote, this has been confirmed by the cast. And of those 3 the only one she has a small chance against is Jackson, but Jackson was taking Cliff and Tommy both over her at that point, and Nicole herself was taking both Cliff and Tommy before Jackson, so even then that Final 2 never happens. So while keeping Holly was dumb, ironically it was the only way she has a small shot to win the game as well as she might beat Holly in a Final 2.
Both had no chance to win, except in the scenario Nicole makes the move that gives her almost no shot at the end by keeping Holly, so that part is a wash. Bowie Jane is better in every other way.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck Jackson would’ve gotten out since he won that HOH the week before and Clif would take Nicole and Tommy is a wild card for who to pick. Doing that big of a move would’ve gained her a lot of votes.
Diane is underrated as a Big Brother player
And it's justified because Karen is better and more underrated
She is overrated. She let a gay guy faking being her boyfriend completely manipulate her. She was also schooled and far outplayed by Karen, and Karen was taken out in a flukey way.
Credit where credit is due, even though Bowie Jane played a cluelessly horrible game, she never got nominated until finale, which is something that only 6 players (including her) have ever done as of the end of season 25.
The other 5 players being:
1. Danielle Reyes BB3
2. Jason Guy BB3
3. Derrick Levasseur BB16
4. Cody Calafiore BB22 (Never nominated, won final hoh)
5. Enzo Palumbo BB22
Reminds me of that meme with the soldiers and the 1 clown lmao
Yes which is why despite how bad she is, she should be higher on this list. 3rd place finishers on average are very weak anyway, it is amazing how often goats get voted out last on Big Brother compared to Survivor.
Once again, offering my humble opinion on 2nd place players
1. Dan
2. Danielle
3. Paul (from Season 19)
……
22. Natalie
23. Porsche
24. Derek F
Porsche has a great chance to win if production didn’t do their bullshit. If not her, Shelly or Kalia.
@425v-s Who's a more reliable source?
>People who spent three months in a house with a woman
>Guy who saw said woman for 45 minutes tops a week
In my opinion, you ranked Danielle M a bit too high cause she made one of the dumbest mistakes of all time by using the Veto on Dan in the final 4. The fact that she made such a mistake this late into the season shows that she's not one who is capable of making decisions good for her game.
christmas above turner-
Yes Janelle did
Just like Paul got second place twices
Nicole f got thrid on bb22 all the stars season
I agree with Janelle's BB11 game ranking much higher than her BB7 game (although both could be a bit higher than you have them, particularly BB7 seems just too low). BB11 she survived without a comp win many rounds, and the minority alliance targeted almost all her allies before her, despite being by far the biggest comp threat and probably overall threat of the Soverigns. BB7 she would have been targeted and taken out at almost every point by even her own allies without comp wins. The only one who never would have is Howie, everyone else she was close with- Will, Boogie, Marcellas, James, was ready to put her up and take her out at every moment.
btw she played in BB6 and BB7, not bb11
I think Turner is too high. Guy was an idiot, had no clue what was going on, was weak in all areas except for his comp wins, where he was still outshone by Michael, Monte, and maybe Bri. And got voted out by closest ally who would have smoked him in a jury vote in favor of someone who destroyed him, that is just embarassing, especialy after giving up his entire game for said guy towards the end before that.
I agree Turner was bad strategically but socially he was fine for most of the game. I can see Turner being a couple spots lower but he's not terrible like Victoria, Adam or Azah and atleast made some type of path for himself in the game
@@whats_holden_up I agree he is better than Victoria or Adam, but not sure on Azah. Azah was great socially, and strategically Turner was even worse than her. His only edge is comps. Plus she probably wins the game if she or Derek F win final HOH as she wins a Derek F-Azah Final 2. Xavier was almost always winning Final HOH in that Final 3, so pretty moot, but still.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck the thing is Azah would've taken Xavier instead of Big D. Also me or u could've beaten Big D at the end and we weren't even in bb23
@@whats_holden_up I would actually be a big jury threat if I were on Big Brother (bigger than over half of this list atleast, funny most of the final vote offs on BB aren't even big jury threats which is the opposite of Survivor). I am intelligent, would be strategic enough without leading things, to try and keep myself from being targetted, and also preventing a jury being too bitter at me, but also thinking of me as an active player. I speak well and would answer jury questions well. I am decently likeable. I would probably not make the end, as I would not be that great in competitions, especialy physical ones, and would be taken out in the Final 5 or Final 6 as a threat.
Yes I would crush Derek F 9-0. Still Turner was even less of a jury threat on his season than Azah in hers. I think he legit loses to Monte 9-0, and Monte lost to Taylor 8-1. I am not sure he wins in a Final 2 against anyone, maybe Alyssa, but not even sure there.
@@EdwardJarvis-be3ck I would be a huge jury threat to probably. I'm strategic, social and have a good grasp. I have a flamboyant personality and talkative so I could be taken out from blindside but if I get a stranglehold id be very dangerous.
My ceiling as a player is a Boogies BB7 game. My floor is Nick from BB15
No way that jerry came 3rd