Can Physics Tell Us How Something Can Come From Nothing?
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- Philosophers Jim Holt and David Albert on whether a scientific understanding how the universe began has any bearing on our philosophical understanding of the origin of the universe.
An excerpt from "The Origins of the Universe: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing?" featuring Steve Paulson, Neil Turok, Jim Holt, and David Albert.
The New York Academy of Sciences
Tuesday, October 14, 2014
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Cool so what's the origin of the original big bang.
Even if you take the multiverse to be a deeper physical reality, it still leaves open the question of what created the multiverse. How did physical realty or existence come from nonexistence? I think it has been demonstrated by physicists that even a multiverse cannot be past eternal
The guy on the far right has my question. I don't care so much about the "universe versus multiverse" question because that simply delays the real question. "Why is there anything at all?"
+J Scott Upton well nobody knows the answer to the "real question" so it's quite pointless to ask it don't you think?
This doesn't really solve the problem. It just backs it up. What is the perpetually inflating universe inflating from? How did THAT get started?
but how did something appear when there was nothing?
Or, it there was always something where did nothing come from?
I'd say it came from mathematics but for some odd reason we think that before we had something, there really ought to have been nothing. But that's nothing but an ass-u-me-sumption. What if there always was something?
maybe there was already something or something else came from another universe
Is there posible for existence come from nothing? The answer is YES! Why? Because THERE IS NO LAW IN EMPTINESS. Something come from nothing is normal happening in emptiness, because there is no law that against it. Law of nature are meke by something exist, not by empty space, I called it EXISTENCE INSTINCT. In emptiness 0+0 is not equivalent 0, in emptiness 0+0 equivalent ~ (infinity). The main law is "THERE'S NO LAW" , the law of possibility.
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By the sounds of what the guy in the middle is saying. Something didn't come from nothing because there's was never an original nothingness.
Which yes, would go against our understanding of time, everything having a point of origin.
The problem is, until we are able to measure past the origin of our universe we will not be able to get the definitive answers we are looking for.
@@happyhaze1526 if we have nothing in this world then we niether have laws of physics and there is no time because no particles and there is always something in universe even the closest possible vaccum is 500000 Per cubic meter or close to that and even if we have completely removed every single particle from existence there will still be virtual particles its like 69+(-69)=0 These are the things that tells us how precise is everything and even if one value is changed everything would have too changed.These things tells us that there is some force that controls these things because there is no way this precisely things to happen and if have mistaken somewhere please correct me
science I supposed to be based on observable and repeatable evidence.
Lol why are u humans acting we know everything?
Could there imaginably ever be a case where zero is equal to more than itself without intervention?
0 + ? = something; but 0 + 0 = more than 0?
See set theory, depends what you mean by +, but you can say if you take nothing, and something that holds nothing, you get 1 etc.
With quantum mechanics, there is no such thing as nothing.
Even the vacuum of space has a positive energy density and quantum fluctuations that can spontaneously convert energy to mass.
From a physics perspective, time and space cannot exist without each other. There cannot be a "before" and thus there was never nothing in the first place.
0 is a human invented concept which has nothing to do with reality. LOL
Where is your proof? Just an idea .
And these are intellectuals? Absolute nonsense
Everything we know in our universe is something. I've never seen an example of "nothing". How can we even speculate. There's not such thing as nothing in this place.
If there is nothing and I mean a full void! That means that are no natural laws, hence if there are no natural laws then anything can happen. Meaning something can come from nothing. If there is a law saying that "something can't come from something", that law is something which means you broke the rule of nothing at all. So Logically something can come from nothing.
Is there evidence of something coming from nothing? Yes! Look at your own life, your life came from pure nothingness if you think about.
any "model" ... however crazy ... except a creator
+Fret Work , that would be not scientific. The supernatural is not testable even in principle.
So... those old pickle jars that belonged to aunt Sophie... the ones out in the shed.. just might one day spontaneously be filled with pickles ?
so he believes everything is eternal ... never had a beginning?
There is never nothing. Nothing is a presence on to it self. Even in a total void it's there Something is there.
To me, absolute nothingness is an existential concept. I guess nothing is still nothing, so you are right.
Maybe there is no such thing as nothing?
Having an eternal multi-verse "side-steps" the origins problems? Well sure, but now you're asserting that the multi-verse has already crossed an infinite amount of time.
If I told you that I counted from negative infinity all the way up to zero, you would think I was crazy. Crossing an infinite amount of time is about as easy as crossing an infinite amount of space: impossible. But now you're saying that the universe did this?
It's like these guys are avoiding a creator at all costs.
exactly. you can never arrive at any given moment in time if time is infinite. to say you could, would ultimately mean there was a beginning- thus, they avoid the most obvious conclusion. creator. and i still don't see how this answers the question of something coming from nothing. to be fair, the question was "can they"- no, they can't.
I think they have carefully weighed the cost of including a creator and have consequently decided the cost is too high given that there is no benefit to positing a creator.
If their are many Universe which are expanding then what will happen when These universe meet. Where will they expand without any space.
If you ask how something can come from nothing, answer this. What came before the thing that created it? Ask this up to the beginning of the universe, if it has always been here who or what created it and who or what created what created everything. If you believe in god, where did he come from? If you believe in science what started the universe if there was nothing to start it?
Everything we know is based off of nothing! Everything is sheer hypothesis!
It is impossible to get 1 from 0*0*0...
We don't even know the origin of humans and we wanna take on the universe lol
Positing additional universes to embed the observable/theoretical universe which we're referring to is a violation of terms, besides being a way to dodge the question. The question, for those serious about the issue, regards the origin of sytntax. Just as the notion of an earth-centered (or solar-centered) universe no longer has any sensible meaning for cosmology, the notion of "now centeredness", on which the notion of a "beginning" is based, no longer holds any sensible meaning. CTMU folks, CTMU.
I legit didn't even understand what he tried to say. Did he just say in the longest way possible that the question doesn't matter? Is that his actual answer? What the hell?
But then what is the origin of the multiverse?
Note the use of the words "infinite" and "eternal". The first has no real existence in the physical world, the second is a divine attribute. You have to use belief for this "science" rather than facts.
Also note the jab at some people who speak on this subject "irresponsibly." The snobbery of these scientists, who even here claim they have no answer to how something comes form nothing, make sure to set themselves as the "experts" so that they and not you, have the most believable opinions on these matters.
"Although we're talking about things that sound, in terms of their temporal interval and so on... Tantalizingly close to that...it doesn't seem to me that it's the case that it's tantalizing close to that in any conceptual..."
Huh?
You are not supposed to understand what this means, you are just supposed to nod and say, "Golly! This guy sure sound smart! He must be right!" Don't be intimidated by big words, complex sentence structures, foreign concepts, suits and ties and PhD's.
What they should have answered, if they were honest, was, "I don't know...but contrary to scientific laws, I choose to believe something comes from nothing."
Sir Hamalot very well said!
Bottom lines: we don’t know definitely know. And, we don’t know what we don’t know. Anything more “decisive” than that is actually a leap of faith. 😊🙏✌️
Even if u made all the assumptions and talk about travel and other rules or mathematics or our understanding,can t ever explain how it started from nothing and got to this point, even if we did understand there is nothing u can understand from nothing,just that everything is possible since anything started from nothing.
why not consider that the most thing that can come nothing is the least thing we know of (a planck time) and further, planck times are generated at a precise moment that coincides with the previous one, say one planck time every 1.3 million years - now we apply bells theorem of interconnectedness and Poincare's theorem of recurrence
I think smart people are easier to be fooled. bring this idea to simple people. you can be stoned to death if you don't provide an example 😅😅😑
Even in a perfect vacuum, you still have very low amounts of energy where particles pop in and out of existence. There is not ever nothing.
May that physics will tell us that nothing and something are relative to the observer.
all models have to have a beginning no eternal models are possible. eternity is impossible if there is a eternity behind us then we would of never reached this date because that means forever had to pass to get to us and forever can never be reach. In the beginning God!!!
Physics is just the study of the relations between a bunch of observable variables. Nothing more. Nothing less. LOL
I think the questions of why there is something rather than nothing is overated. Why is there something AND nothing? Nothing still has to exist even though it is nothing. There has to be nothing to have something.
The nothing that you're talking about is still something though, these guys are talking about absolute nothingness
Lol. It’s comical listening to desperate people. I know from initial appearance that desperation is not completely evident. However with an overall understanding of reason why they are talking about nothing (literally). I mean you and I understand completely what nothing means. The fact that someone is talking about getting something from nothing is remarkably stupid and naive.
The universe does not need a "moment of creation", all evidence suggests there is not one. Nothing does not exist. There was never a "nothing". Wrap your minds around it.
the "theory" is "nice if you are worried about the origins, this SIDESTEPS the problem"
Does nothing create something from where does it get it for itself?
How does the nothing know how to create something?
No, creation is business of the creator. Right?
Vilenkin Guth hypotheses states that according to the latest data, a multi-verse had to have a beginning, that it is not eternal! This joker should read some more cosmology!
THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION " CAN SOMETHING COME FROM NOTHING " IS : AT THIS TIME WE DONT KNOW . WE DO KNOW IT CANT BE GOD , AS THAT WOULD MEAN THAT GOD CAME FROM NOTHING. ITS THE OLD ; IF GOD MADE EVERYTHING THEN WHO MADE GOD; AND WHO MADE THAT MAKER; AND WHO ETC. AND ETC. PERHAPS THERE IS NO ANSWER .
God is outside of time and material. He is infinite. Is it hard to understand infinite?
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So then the answer is no.
Is there posible for existence come from nothing? The answer is YES! Why? Because THERE IS NO LAW IN EMPTINESS. Something come from nothing is normal happening in emptiness, because there is no law that against it. Law of nature are meke by something exist, not by empty space, I called it EXISTENCE INSTINCT. In emptiness 0+0 is not equivalent 0, in emptiness 0+0 equivalent ~ (infinity). The main law is "THERE'S NO LAW" , the law of possibility.
I'm not sure there could ever be nothing. If there was nothing, it would be something
Our universe is most likely inside a giant atom proabably at the level of an electron of subatomic particle in a larger universe. Everything points to this and it's logial conclusion I've come to.
There is absolutely ZERO empirical Scientific evidence for ANYTHING he said 😄 ZERO!
There is no such this as nothing because nothing is "Matter + Anti-Matter" and that is still something.
If there is nothing and I mean a full void! That means that are no natural laws, hence if there are no natural laws then anything can happen. Meaning something can come from nothing. If there is a law saying that "something can't come from something", that law is something which means you broke the rule of nothing at all. So Logically something can come from nothing.
Is there evidence of something coming from nothing? Yes! Look at your own life, your life came from pure nothingness if you think about.
No, your life came from the fertilization of an egg and a sperm, followed by rapid duplication, which utilized energy stored in bondings between molecules such as adenosine triphosphate, which are harnessed from sugar and other naturally occuring chemicals and nutrients such as glucose and lactose. Your arguments, and logic, are predicated on a baseless assumption that there is a void and that if there is a void then there will be no "natural" laws, which somehow implies that anything is possible.