The theory of black holes is a mathematical theory and not a scientific theory. The mathematical theory of black holes looks pretty, and perhaps Dr. Penrose has earned the Nobel price for the sophisticated mathematics of the mathematical theory. But the theory does not have any experimental/observational proof. And the scientific method requires experimental/observational proof to verify any hypothesis/theory. According to the theory of black holes, black holes cannot be observed directly. What you see in books and magazines, TV and internet - those are computer simulations and not real black holes. The indirect evidence of the existence of black holes comes from the accretion disks surrounding the alleged black holes. But other objects can be extremely compact, something like quark stars, for example, to create accretion disks. Which brings us to another huge flaw of the theory of black holes - the assumption that at certain conditions (like those inside a massive collapsing star) nothing can stand against gravitational contraction. This tremendous assumption is made without experimental/observational proof. Therefore, it denies the scientific method. We know that when stars collapse, degenerate pressure of electrons or neutrons stops the gravitational collapse at some point. depending on the mass of the stars. We also know from experiments that when experiments attempt to squeeze quarks too tightly, they exhibit asymptotic freedom that makes further gravitational collapse into a black hole unlikely - the mathematical theory of black holes does not take these experimental facts into consideration at all. Furthermore, if you studied the general relativity theory, you have to know that according to the equations of the General relativity theory, the collapse of a star into a black hole looks differently depending where an observer is. If the observer is very close to the collapsing star, then the collapse is extremely quick. However, for distant observers, the time of the collapse stretches to infinity. Gravitational collapse time dilation = If a black hole is formed by gravitational collapse, then to an outside observer the relativistic time dilation of the event means that it reaches its Schwarzchild limit (and becomes an actual black hole) after an infinite amount of time. Which means that a distant observer would have to wait for eternity to see how the collapsing star finally becomes a black hole. If the equations correct, than we, distant observers, cannot observe black holes and from our point of view those stars in the process of collapse into alleged black holes remain to be observed by us as collapsing stars and not black holes.
That is, the theory of black holes tells us that from the point of view of a collapsing star, it has already collapsed and formed a black hole, and from the point of view of external observers, the star has not yet collapsed to form a black hole. Hence, the black hole exists and it does not exist at the same time. But they show us computer-enhanced simulations of black holes and assure us that the black holes are "readily observed." And for the "black hole exists" part, please check again the first part of my comment- there is no observational/experimental proof that the collapse of a neutron star into a black hole is unstoppable.
Richard Pryor told a story of he and his best friend, famous football player Jim Brown. Pryor constantly would show off all his wealth/purchases. Brown never deviated from one topic ONLY: "what about that pipe?" Pryor was desperately addicted to cocaine. "Heat" is Pryor's pipe. ALL the tap dancing fails to remove the epi-phenomenon of heat. It cannot begin....it must always end. It disallows THIS universe beginning....it forecloses on THIS universe being eternal. EVERYTHING Penrose et al contrive is done with the denial that thermodynamics cannot be reconciled. It's the assumption that the universe HAS A NATURAL EXPLANATION/ETIOLOGY. THAT AIN'T SCIENCE....IT'S RELIGION....
@@WayneLynch69 it's not science if we take the espoused definition of science, which is essentially identical to rigor, but it is perfectly fine science as it's actually practiced, which is as a religion.
For a guy close to 90, Roger looks amazing and has as sharp a mind as ever. Also a total professional: note how he seamlessly repeats himself after the interruption at 09:55 to provide an opportunity to do an edit at that point.
This was definitely some years ago, 12-20 years I'd guess. His is visibly much older than this now. Personally, I like his voice now as opposed to younger days such as this.
Exactly! That was my impression listening to him answering questions at such an advanced age! He looks and sounds unbelievably young! God bless him even more!
I just love how Sir Roger Penrose explains a concept so difficult to grasp as a Universe before the big Bang where "time" in a sense doesn't existed or passed as we are used to experience in our universe, in a way that even people that don't have a physics background can understand. What a remarkable man 😁👌👌.
@@rosros2795 There really ARE slots for everything in creation, aren't there? I'd never heard of this bloke, but have lived a long and volatile life in line with his principles. I put it down to the gift of a very high IQ and a memory that never forgot anything. (learned to play chess in a couple of hours and was playing in the state team a few weeks later. ) Also learned Shakespearean plays verbatim after two or three readings (to argue AGAINST the value of Shakespeare!) and used to explain the connection between the two: had a sense of the inherent mathematics of chess being evident in Shakespeare's work, and the philosophy of Shakespeare being clearly evident in chess. I always just assumed it was the job of the brain to make those sorts of connections so's the whole 'creation' could be sensed as a whole. But unfortunately my dog's brain doesn't work like that!
@@rosros2795 That's ok. Just that I'd never heard of Feynman (despite being fairly widely read over many years), so I checked him out on google and immediately recognised myself in a way I never had before. For example, I often ask for definition of an issue or a word/concept because it ties all the other bits together into a kind of mesh that stores in my brain as sort of a picture. These days you might say 'the way hard-drive works' Quite uncanny! Cheers
Yeah. I'm sure he is (or was -- IDK if he still teaches) one helluva good teacher. If more educators in modern times were as sincere in their efforts as is Dr. Penrose, we (the USA) almost certainly would not be in the current pickle in which we find ourselves with regards to the abysmal state of our population's "education". [Begin ranting in...3...2...1...] You were warned...lol You know, the one where over half of America's high school graduates were unable to find the UNITED FREAKING STATES OF AMERICA on a globe...and That was over twenty years ago. Now, all of those "baby Einsteins" are so-called "adults" who keep themselves busy by convincing themselves, each other, and any other dull minds they can reach, that the earth is either flat, hollow, or both, and the moon is hollow, and etc., etc. Yessir, we're just BEGGING for another group to take the lead in world affairs, which won't end well for us, at least not if you prefer English (or any other Romantic language) over Cantonese. Or, maybe it's just the freedom to be or to do...Anything of Your choice, really, that appeals to you, rather than living where you're told to live, working where you're told to work, gaining access to a very, VERY short list of government approved and government edited programming over the airwaves, and ditto the interwebs. Yeah, the USA is, unquestionably, filling itself with Eloi, ripe for the picking. We are voluntarily expediting the wholesale slaughter of our bodies, our minds, our freedoms, and our property, to name just a few of the things we will lose before all is said and done, should we continue to fail our youth (and ourselves) in education, as we have been doing for several decades now. (SNS for the rant...lol. I just hope that maybe...MAYBE...if more people who HAVEN'T grown old, grown filthy rich, and permanently affixed themselves as a Neverending Part of our dysfunctional Political System [I'm looking at YOU, Congressmen and -women (and members of the Executive Branch, of course) who have been screwing...uhhh, Serving...I meant SERVING!...the People of our great nation for longer than I've been alive -- you g*ddamned jackals...you power hungry crooked SOBs!]... ...MAYBE, if we make enough noise about this problem then it might get fixed. But I doubt it, because that would require several attributes which are all in short supply in this country these days. I'm talking about things like values that are based on ethics rather than on a "Me! Me! Me!" mentality. I'm talking about working for what you have. And I'm also talking about The Big One -- Personal Accountability, which has become more or less nonexistent nowadays thanks to an increasingly coarse media which glorifies murdering, raping, stealing, cheating on your spouse, stealing from anyone and everyone you can, being lazy, believing that you're some kind of "badass gangsta!" (as if That is somehow a worthy and valuable goal...), and on and on and on...like this rant! And it ALL starts in our homes; our broken homes, which are at BEST dysfunctional even IF the parents stay together, and on and on... But that's a whole new, different (but connected) rant for another time... *SIGH*
This is a great video about how theoretical physicists hypothesise about the Universe, getting help from mathematicians to identify the mathematics needed to express these ideas, and come up with a theory that experimental physycists and astrophysicists can use to make observations to verify the theories. We're very fortunate to have an intellectually honest theorist like Roger Penrose to explain these ideas without any pretence that they are nothing more than ideas at this stage, whereas some scientists like to promote their ideas in the media, giving the rest of us the impression that their hypotheses are accepted by the scientific community when in fact they are simply promoting them.
I've heard or read about Roger Penrose and his work countless times over the years, but I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen him on screen. He seems to be an amazingly good communicator so I don't know why we don't see more of him. Brilliant man.
@@stuartmccall5474 He is from a different time my friend. A far different generation that no longer exist or is just fading away. I believe the societal concept of "Individualism" will be studied longer after I'm gone from this place and the effects it had on the people resent today. I am 25 years old though so I do hope I get to read and understand it before I go!
@@GreaseMonkey097 : Perhaps? I think also his origins were an influence. Individualism, in its nowadays classically accepted definition or form, is a construct more at home in US Society as a requisite of "pursuing the dream" towards the amassing of money and what it can bring, this necessitating a significant degree self centeredness and ruthlessness rather then just a degree of the same. Obviously this is a general observation and not absolute. If you compare Sir Roger with Paul Dirac, Alan Turing and Stephen Hawking etc., they all worked with a team of others in order to have others to bounce their ideas off and were all very modest individuals. I think working in a vacuum is the more difficult way to make progress, as all that does is confirm your own brilliance.
@@stuartmccall5474 I completely agree! The future of the Science's should continue to be the collaborative effort of the intelligent. It's the only way we have progressed this far to begin with. Looking forward I do not believe Individualism, as a molding affect on society or simply just a way of Life, will impact the Science's that much. Maybe that is the beauty of culture though. The work is done as backdrop noise by the people who cared enough to do it.
Many congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his long lived and brilliant career, working with Stephen Hawking and many others. His copious Mathematical Works have enriched the World over the last 70 years.
Thanks to R.L. Kuhn for not interupting Roger and allowing him to jabber on to complete his ideas, many interveiwers are constantly inserting themselves and become a distraction
The universe is alive and forgets how big/how small it is...what's not to understand lol? ...keep in mind, these nobel prize winning geniuses haven't a clue how the universe works. It's all best guesses leading to more questions. We try to understand existence by using logic/math, yet we have no idea if that will work or not. You're lost because we are all lost. He's talking about things that only math can make sense of. Infinity, for example, is not a real thing, or at least we don't know if it is or not. it might be and his theories might be correct. But we don't know. Just my 2 cents. I'm lost also:)
@William White Clearly my comment went above your head. Try actually understanding what I wrote. You shouted, "logical fallacy" using logical fallacy..lol!
9:53 The sheer amount of energy required to verbalise such abstract concepts actually caused books to start falling out of their shelves behind the interviewer. The small inflection of happiness across Penrose's face is as a result of a bet he made decades earlier when an identical thing occurred while explaining quantum dynamics to a classmate. The classmate said that if he could do that again, he'd pay for him to have a lapdance.
@@randallrogers6350 the two committees judge entirely different things. and frankly, doing "nothing" was a far cry better than doing the "something" that BushCo did.
There is nothing like listening to somebody who knows what they are talking about, they have the ability to explain it to people like me and use analogies and the like to allow me to visualise what it a very difficult theory etc. In addition they don't get lost and confused when asked questions during their explanation, they just respond to the question and go back on track and that I suggest is because what they are talking about is very clear in their mind and hence it is easy for them to talk about it
I follow and understood the concept and it’s beautiful in its simplicity. I don’t follow the math, though. I can listen to Sir Roger talk all day long. He’s so humble and seems so grandfatherly.
This concept is absolutely amazing. I love the idea of infinity being like a place that you never get to, until you realize you are already there, and things have already changed. That seems like the purest nature of what infinity could be.
The universe was not keeping time in the beginning. Given relativistic speeds ( even exceeding C during inflation) how can we say 1 how old the universe is ( how do we correct for the time dilation when particles were moving at these speeds?) 2 there was ever a “before” the universe
He just made my life worth more. I always believed there must be something before the big bang which may be unimaginable, but it never crossed my mind that size is just a number.
To all the fans of Sir Roger Penrose I highly recommend reading his book The Emporer's New Mind. He goes into much more depth about his theory on what preceeded the Big Bang. He also goes into detail about how algorithms work and why computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness even in principle. A very excellent read that will leave AI cheerleaders quite butt hurt.
Did SRP literally write.."computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness"? Which were his stated definitions for "thinking" and " consciousness"? Does " cannot ", mean, " at the present time ", or, " we can safely assume that this will always be the case"? I'll read his book, but has to go at the end of a long reading list. Thanks..
Algorithms are just brute force logic, nobody seriously thinking about the next generation of AI would rely souly on them, that's not how the brain works.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe. Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
I love Penrose, he's always been a fav of mine and I've read several his books as well which were amazing. Legend. This chat here is super engaging and entertaining.
While I know I didn’t understand a lot I still found it fascinating and engaging. And I did take away the key idea that the universe is “constantly” flip flopping between being infinitely small and then infinitely big. Like scaling an image you can drag it to nothing and if you keep dragging it starts to expand but is now a mirror image of itself. I guess all I’m say is Thank you for making me think
For an absolute ignorant like myself this was intense, but absolutely brilliant. The clock metaphor for the time and matter correlation is strinkingly simple and jawdropping. Never before had I seen such a simple and clear way to put it. From then on the concept becomes accessible for a total ignoramous like me to being able to at least follow the rest of the conversation. Also, the way it is put also leads me to think as time as a dimension of its own due to the close relationship it holds with the very nature of space. Not a new concept for me but now I feel like I get a true reason why for it. Of course, for a physicist, what I am saying may be of the most basic intellectual incompetence, but I find it so astounashingly fascinanting that I can't hold myself from sharing my deepest respect for the minds that can trully grasp this.
There are interesting correlations between Position/Velocity, Position/Frequency, Space/Time and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The core math is conjugate variables. but the fact that all these things are perfect analogies of each other makes me feel like that time is just the frequency of space at some weird fundamental level.
When Sir Roger finally built up to the possible similarities between the very remote past and the very remote future, with the exception of scale, for which there will be no meaningful measure, my jaw actually dropped. What an elegant concept! This video is also an excellent demonstration of how individual notions build on each other within and eventually between generations of scientists.
Dear uptown 3636, Thank you so much for putting it all together into a statement which perhaps will make sense to all of us out there who can now relate and reverberate more clearly with what they felt like and thought after listening to Sir Roger...
I have a doubt . during Big bang temperature is highest. And in future which sir refer here , temperature will be lowest and all photons will be in low energy state. Then how temperature will increase and initiate a new big bang in future. Can anyone help
@@jishnuraj9866 I think what he's saying is that its not the absolute temperature that's important but the relative temperature that matters. So rather than thinking of the big bang as the hottest and the distant future as the coldest its more that at the big bang temperature was uniform, meaning at maximum entropy, and in the distant future it will be uniform, equally meaning maximum entropy, and with maximum entropy comes the inability to measure time and with it measure anything else. So I think in the same way that he said that the universe would forget it's size with no way to measure it, it would also forget it's absolute temperature as there would also be no way to measure that.
@@stephen2437 I think as per second law of thermodynamics entropy is increasing with time and irreversible without outside interference. It's just a measure of vibration of particles. At the big bang temperature was high and entropy lowest .
Boy, it's incredible! So Mass = frequency (and there is the time ticking). Time is money is just a human version of ultimate anthro-cosmo relationship. After 200000yrs, we found out now. Great interview, educational and entertaining. Thanks for the effort and keep up the good work
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@@expattaffy1954 if there is a God, I think he would be ok with us humans trying to understand this stuff. It's not much different from humans working out how we breathe, the discovery of gravity, how to make a combustion engine etc etc just another discovery bout how reality works. Just as wondrous, probably more, than a great magician in the sky waving his wand and kapoof! creating it all in a day .
I had a brilliant physics and astronomy teacher in the 90's. His name was Franck W. Pettersen, RIP. He was head of the Tromsø Aurora Planetarium back in the day, but he grew tired of it, because he only showed the guests "touristy" things there, when he really wanted to explore the deep ideas about the universe itself. So, he quit that job and became a teacher at a nearby high school. His idea was that there could probably be more than one universe, and or perhaps a kind of string of universes like Penrose suggests here. It was just a hunch he had, so to speak, but either way, having him as a teacher was an honour, not just for me, but for most of the other pupils who was greatly inspired by him.
Dear CTT, thank you for your effort to bring in such a distinguished guest as Dr. Penrose. Also thank you for taking advantage of his wisdom on such an interesting and fun topic. Your channel and its contents are a precious contribution to public science education that helps us humans to become better species. Warm regards from a subscriber.
If only someone would ask, or would have asked the Penrose fellow exactly what he seeks to convey by " the universe", I guarantee you he would not be able to tell you without waffling and you_knowing, or as is said beating about the bush.
Extremely intelligent but also has the common sense to hold position, wait for the background noise to dissipate and repeat what he had said before the noise.
Glad to discover Roger Penrose! He is able to explain very complex science to lay people like me. His theory makes beautiful sense to me, and answers some important questions, such as what happened before the Big Bang. I was thinking these gravitational ripples could even contain information that could be passed to the next universe. The theory reminds me of Hindu creation concepts and some of Buddhism/ Taoism as well. Absolutely awe inspiring.
I'm just a layman with just an 'A Level' grasp of Mathematics, who has only dipped in and out of such concepts (over 40 years), but this guy sounded consistent with what I know and understand about this subject. And he was clear to say "I'm not saying this is true, it's just a speculation to consider" - that was exactly how Copernicus expressed his idea of a Heliocentric system. However...just because in the past concepts that were thought to be impossible turned out to have some credence, doesn't mean that all such dubious concepts will eventually have relevance. Sadly, I continually find that people don't understand the fundamental thing about 'science' (which is just the application of the 'scientific method') that it doesn't seek to 'prove' anything - it actually seeks to disprove everything (via scientific methods) and what we can't disprove, is the best we have. This guy gets THAT! So, for me, he is a real scientist, and I so respect that.
Very well deserved Nobel prize Roger. Absolutely love listening to his interviews especially on his work with anaesthetist Stuart Hammerof. I genuinely think their work is as close as it gets to possibly identifying the roots of consciousness. Roger can probably also create the equations to prove it....
Here Penrose explains his theory where the beginning is also the end! Profound. As a small child I used to have "scale invariance" nightmares believe it or not - where what I held between my thumb and forefinger was no different to some huge object in outer space. It was all the same. I love the reference to Echer's angels and devils!
Brillant man and a great communicator. Only in a few occasions I’ve listened to someone conveying such difficult mathematics concepts so elegantly simple.
Brilliant or not he has absolutely no idea what he means by " the universe" or " reality", and certainly no more of an idea than you do and both of you have no idea at all.
His speculative albeit interesting views on consciousness had nothing to do with his nobel prize... His contribution to actual theoretical physics research in the form of proving and deriving the Singularity theorems is what got him the prize. His ”theory of consciousness” isn’t actual science. It’s just playful and creative speculation by a brilliant mind.
@@vhawk1951kl Yeah any fool with a phd in mathematical physics who has proven the singularity theorems, been an author in hundreds of some of the most notable and influential scientific research publications of the last 100 years, discovered new features like Penrose tilings, Terrel -rotation etc and changed tensor calculus forever. Oh wait I forgot that you don’t have any training in or even the slightest clue about differential and algebraic geometry and how they relate to spacetime because you’d prefer to just act edgy in yt comments as if you should be taken seriously when in reality you never even put the work in to study the subjects let alone get a degree in physics or mathematics. But with a bit of humility and diligence you could learn these subjects like anyone else.
I'm fascinated by some theories of Penrose, specifically what he talks about in this video. The most interesting part is watching Sir Roger explain these theories in an everyday manner. I couldn't do that
1 the link between frequency and time, so simple and yet so strong. 2 "the universe forgets how big it is", like "there's no need to continue this. Let's start all over". Powerful ideas.
Prof. Hameroff is right: He IS an incredibly modest and sweet man given the fact that his thinking goes beyond anyone else's so far and he's still this down to earth to even chuckle and smile at his own ideas! And as to those ideas, of which I'm hoping to get the very basic aspects and essence: Absolutely genius to end all genius. Wow.
Incredible. I understood what he said. He stubled while explaining, but it reached me. Feels like a revelation to me. Another great way of looking at how the universe began. Thank you.
What this guy is speaking speaks volumes! I like how he’s not locked into a position and how he has the ability to evolve! My personal opinion is like 80% of the population I really don’t know in the back of my mind how all this came into existence but I do know it’s a lot of fun learning. Put your seat belts on my friends because this man is from another intellectual planet! Lol
Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose, both for the Noble Prize and for making my head explode. I love this channel, I’ve followed you on your quest for a while now and I hope we find the answers.
Read Stephen Hawkings last book and was somewhat depressed by the idea that "nothing" existed before the Big Bang. Sir Roger's infectious enthusiasm (and infinite intellect ! ) offers a glimmer of hope that talking about a situation Before the Big Band is maybe, not totally outrageous. This I find more reassuring even though I am conscious that the evolution of the Universe is a dispassionate unfolding of events.
To quote Stephen Hawking " The great mystery at the heart of the Big Bang is to explain how an entire , fantastically enormous universe of space and time can materialise out of nothing.
I heard Richard Feynman once speculate about the end of the universe. He said the universe reaches a point at the very end of it's existence, that precisely mimics the conditions at the very beginning. At which point the universe seems to forget that it is ending and it starts all over.
@@Gdad-20 Feynman didn't say the universe remembers... he just said it seems to remember. There is very likely an explanation for that, but we don't know what it is.
Fascinating. Eternity is the absence of time (a clock)(a measuring stick). A singularity of energy gently disturbed by gravitational waves like raindrops on a pond setting the stage for a new expansion. WOW! The wonder of it all. Should make all humans treat each other better knowing that somehow, someway, we are a significant part of all of this.
Humans are not a significant part of the universe, that’s your ego misconstruing our importance through your myopic vision. In reality, we’re a temporary spec on an infinite plain whose collective existence will vanish well before the sun expands into a Red Giant and engulfs the earth.
August Moon It never ceases to amaze me how someone who considers humans to be so insignificant can be so arrogant. You are entitled to your opinion but no need to undermine others who draw a different conclusion from the data.
This is a really deep and profound concept--the fate of our universe could be the beginning of a new one. Size loses meaning at the end (and beginning), so there is no reason why the expanded final universe could not be the same as the tiny universe of the big bang.
Every time he says “you see” I really wish I could see it. 🤣 I understand these ideas almost like it’s all part of a dream and I just woke up and the more I try to remember the dream the more it evaporates.
@@vhawk1951kl of course I am interested in all of these types of discussions! I love how these abstract ideas become concrete realities as scientific exploration continues and answers are found.
In a way, it seems that gravity is how the universe keeps in touch with itself as it spreads out. If it gets big enough, gravity ends, it develops amnesia, and a sort of renormalization occurs.
@@ScienceUniverse I have to admit that my ideas are very nebulous and not backed up by and kind of math or science. But seeing that physical laws and quantum entanglement appear to be everywhere the same, it occurs to me to wonder if there might be a point where these phenomena become disconnected.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe. Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud. .
I disagree with his hypothesis that you could go before because the universe had lost the ability to track time because there was no mass yet. The way I make sense of it is as follows: If there is no mass yet, there is no such thing as time yet. Therefore it makes no sense to speak of a before. Now I know this is the ‘old’ explanation but I think it’s the right one. It makes more sense than saying well if there is no time then nothing prevents you from traveling to a time before the big bang. Without mass there is no such thing as a timeline, so how can you travel along it?
Love this theory. To me it sounds like if you continue to expand a balloon eventually the balloon pops. So the universe stretches/expands just like a balloon until it explodes in a big bang and starts itself over again. The very end and the very beginning have the same conditions. Once the universe stretches to the point there is no longer mass, time breaks down along with physics itself causing a re - explosion again to re- start the universe all over again in a never ending cycle. So the "big rip" ending theory is also the big bang beginning theory as well. The big bang is the end and the beginning and is just one single unifying event. Best theory of everything I've heard yet. This guy's a genius
But why does physics breaking down cause another big bang? This theory doesn't explain anything about why it happened as it can't explain how it happened, he just thinks it does. I'm not trying to be an arse, I just don't understand what the universe tearing apart has to do with it then having another big bang, how does popping a balloon result in another balloon being blown up? I get that the theory is essentially that the universe recycles itself but I don't understand why it "bangs" after it "rips"?
@@djpiccalo100 look it up. He's a philosopher. Didn't bring anything new to the table just useless talk. Just comments sound stupis. Maybe they want to sound smart.
Not quite. He doesn't even attempt to explain the 'space' the balloon is expanding INTO. How about the idea that 'Big Bangs' are local events which occur commonly throughout an infinite universe, which also contains any 'space' beyond our currently-observable boundaries?
No, your reasoning is flawed. Two different things can have many properties in common without any implication that they are the SAME thing. Many properties is not the same as all properties.
So wonderful that he is still thinking outside of the box. Doesn't feel the need to write yet another paper on inflationary theory but would rather tackle truly big issues with truly revolutionary ideas, and ideas that most importantly can be tested.
Ha Ha.. Believing in Big Bang itself requires perhaps more faith then believing in God. You have to be a true follower (of Big Bang) to appreciate it without questioning.
Watched this three times and i think i finally understand what he means by universe forgetting how big it is. The funny thing is it actually makes sense.
Wht do either of you mean by" the universe"?How do you experience" the universe, and when experiencing it, how do you know that what you are experiencing is " the universe"?
True 3:44 does not make sense hence the nobel sir. Some big words some big theories which make no sense to us. Please put it in simple terms what was there before the big bang. Was it matter like murky water or what.
The question “why?” automatically creates the concepts of Reason and ultimately a Creator. This has spawned all the myths about God(s) and religions. Whilst discussions around “why?” can be interesting, what is more important is learning how to live peacefully and sustainably together, thereby enabling such discussions and life in general, to continue. By the way, scientific enquiry involves the question “how?” rather than “why?”.
If you discount "why" what is even the point of anything? We're not just DNA replication machines. Everything flows from the fact that we are self-reflecting consciousness, with the unique ability to critically reflect on the self as an object from the perspective of the subject. The capacity for self-reflection & the ability to communicate symbolically is the only faculty that lets us do science (as well as culture and religion) & ask "how". No other animal does this. We wouldn't even begin bothering with "how" if we weren't really asking "why?" Sometimes I wonder who suffers more from neurotic repression, hardcore materialists or fundamentalist monotheists.
@@duprie37 My response to “why?“, around the issue of creation is “don’t know”. I then carry on with living with the notion that life is an opportunity to have enjoyable experiences and to help other people have enjoyable experiences. It just feels good to do that plus I’ve also had the experience that the happier more people are, then life on Earth becomes easier and more enjoyable. I don’t need a Creator or a Religion to do that. The discussion around the existence or not of a Creator is perhaps interesting but, for me, not important. Language is a tool; it should not be a prison.
This is consistent with my philosophy that we never stop existing. But as long as we don't perceive the universe around us, then time stops existing - for us. This means that when we die, we are simply transported to our next experience, conscious or not. Maybe some day, in this universe or the next, we are built together again as humans, and get to experience another human life.
Wow! The most informative 17 mins in my life so far! This is why I want to study Astrophysics. (I got offers from universities in the UK but didn't get the visa because I'm a Syrian seeker of freedom and asylum)
I wish European countries would be more open to fugitives like you. They may not all turn out to be astrophysicians, but apart from the humanitarian reasons for being more open (which is already reason enough imho), I know they can be an enrichment for society and make for stronger bonds with the future nations they originate from.
Speaking as a Brit, I genuinely apologise for our ridiculously xenophobic govenment and the electorate that loves them. We can't kick them out for at least 4 years, but eventually we will, and a progressive UK will want astrophysicists :-)
You should have applied to be a barista, wash cars or pick fruit & vegetables for almost nothing. These are the vital skills my government wants, not smart people - vulnerable ones.....
Brilliant formulation. Even if this particular one may not be correct, we need such great stretch of imagination and a follow up with observational evidence to establish the truth. Please keep it up.
@@deanodebo science is based on observations and finding a pattern or a model to define those observations so we can predict things and build tools. Other times it can be an opposite process, we assume a model and try to check its validity by observations predicted by that model. We get better and better with time and experience. Truth, who knows what the truth is but science is the only real tool we have which has a chance of getting close to the truth.
@@IdiotEarthworm What do you mean by that? (The only tool we have… truth) Science makes no truth claims whatsoever. What are you talking about? The basic proposition produced by science is the following: We assume without justification (take on faith) ABCDE and F. Given those assumptions and given the theoretical paradigm we are working within, and given preliminary data, the natural phenomenon MAY work like this… And that is absolutely nothing in the neighborhood of truth. Whenever someone appeals to truth in the domain of science, we are actually in the realm of scientism. Not science.
@@deanodebo I don't understand what you are saying. How else would you know how the world works? The aeroplane flies because someone has mapped how aerodynamic forces work on the surfaces or a nuclear bomb explodes because scientists have worked out certain properties of the nature based on a model. Even if science may not get to ultimate truth, what other means are there to reach the truth? Science is the best tool there is.
@@IdiotEarthworm What’s your thing with truth? If you’re so enamored with science, just take it as it is. Don’t try to make it some kind of beacon of truth. Science says nothing about morality. Nothing about aesthetics. Nothing about faith. Nothing about the joy of spending time with family or friends. In fact science can’t say anything about logic, or mathematics, or epistemology, or metaphysics. It goes on and on. Science is like a wrench in my toolbox out in my garage. Ok, a useful tool, but you won’t hear me going on about how the wrench gets me close to truth.
Well, many people "saw" this explanation while on psychedelics : One existence stretches to eternity and then another one pops out and does the same. There is no starting point of this process. If you go back from one of those universes you'll just keep entering "creations" backwards.
I can wrap my head around the premise of previous iterations of the universe and essentially time not existing, but if there's no matter/mass remaining from the previous iteration what triggers the big bang for the next one?
@themask9909 Isn't it strange? Our minds can't grasp infinity (kinda can when "tripping 🤔), but mathematics play with it constantly. He said when universe stretches till there is no matter (No matter =no time) it doesn't know how big it is. It's like universe in it's core has or hasn't intelligence or self awareness. Wtf? There's definitely no sense that this universe is all that is, was or will be. I had an atheist friend who praised the mushroom experience, but was annoyed with every time feeling presence of a higher being (God). 😂
On LSD my gaze once focused in on a light beam, coming from a candle flame (you know, like when you're looking at it through your eyelashes) and as I kept zooming in I saw individual photons, and zooming in on one of those, I saw what they consist of: photons are (very fast) rope skipping cartoon characters who look somewhat like Mario
????? who stands in the queue? Breeze into the bank, head for the teller's cage coughing and spluttering all over the place, and you'd be amazed how quickly the queue disappears! That might be the very reason god created the virus. (and "saw that it was good")
This Penrose theory is very interesting , i dont understad too much , but This Ciclic Conformal universe is very interesting its seems Dr.Penronse have found a way to equalize a big bang singularity with the final state of this universe , the big freez , when the universe became so cold and so big so there ate no more energy to make work , and there are no clocks to mesure Time , and the this "final" state is rescalling to a new big bang , new universe , new Eon , its very cool😊😊
degrees show how well you answer questions on tests.. and.. how good you were as a grad student slave for your doctoral advisor and overseers.. ☆☆☆ despite much advertising to the contrary . .. education is not something someone else does to us.. it's what we do to satisfy our own curiosity
A wonderful idea. Time is simply a brief anomaly between the beginning and the end, both being the same thing. I don't think it's sensible to think of "before" and "after" when they're inextricably bound to one another for their existence like light and shadow.
Keep going! Neil Turok has pointed out that both the beginning and ending, zero and infinity, of the universe are extremely simple, that is describable in just a few numbers. It's in the in-between that things are complex allowing entities such as galaxies and human beings to exist. Also, if you can transcend big and small, then zero and infinity are very similar in that, while both are projected on the real number line, neither behaves like any other real number. Which is why, when I'm thinking about things like this, I like to think using a logarithmic number line (Zero, ... 1/100, 1/10, 1, 10, 100, ... Infinity) where both zero and infinity can be approached but never reached. (Note: this zero is therefore slightly different from the additive identity zero we all know and love. And in my opinion, a much more interesting one!) Something's going on there. Let me know when you figure it out!
@@CosmosMarinerDU Thank you! I love the "number" zero. So much so that I named one of my cats "Zero." I've intuited that zero is similar to infinity. I'll look into Turok. Thank you. :)
Our sincere congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for winning the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics! Well deserved!
Yes!! Very cool
I was wondering some quantum discussions. But, very classical approach to answering the questions. Overall, great insights.
@dontzenyourselfout ?
I was able to reconfirm how good your selection is! More Nobel laureates must come out of this show!
The theory of black holes is a mathematical theory and not a scientific theory. The mathematical theory of black holes looks pretty, and perhaps Dr. Penrose has earned the Nobel price for the sophisticated mathematics of the mathematical theory. But the theory does not have any experimental/observational proof. And the scientific method requires experimental/observational proof to verify any hypothesis/theory. According to the theory of black holes, black holes cannot be observed directly. What you see in books and magazines, TV and internet - those are computer simulations and not real black holes. The indirect evidence of the existence of black holes comes from the accretion disks surrounding the alleged black holes. But other objects can be extremely compact, something like quark stars, for example, to create accretion disks.
Which brings us to another huge flaw of the theory of black holes - the assumption that at certain conditions (like those inside a massive collapsing star) nothing can stand against gravitational contraction. This tremendous assumption is made without experimental/observational proof. Therefore, it denies the scientific method. We know that when stars collapse, degenerate pressure of electrons or neutrons stops the gravitational collapse at some point. depending on the mass of the stars. We also know from experiments that when experiments attempt to squeeze quarks too tightly, they exhibit asymptotic freedom that makes further gravitational collapse into a black hole unlikely - the mathematical theory of black holes does not take these experimental facts into consideration at all.
Furthermore, if you studied the general relativity theory, you have to know that according to the equations of the General relativity theory, the collapse of a star into a black hole looks differently depending where an observer is. If the observer is very close to the collapsing star, then the collapse is extremely quick. However, for distant observers, the time of the collapse stretches to infinity. Gravitational collapse time dilation = If a black hole is formed by gravitational collapse, then to an outside observer the relativistic time dilation of the event means that it reaches its Schwarzchild limit (and becomes an actual black hole) after an infinite amount of time.
Which means that a distant observer would have to wait for eternity to see how the collapsing star finally becomes a black hole. If the equations correct, than we, distant observers, cannot observe black holes and from our point of view those stars in the process of collapse into alleged black holes remain to be observed by us as collapsing stars and not black holes.
That is, the theory of black holes tells us that from the point of view of a collapsing star, it has already collapsed and formed a black hole, and from the point of view of external observers, the star has not yet collapsed to form a black hole. Hence, the black hole exists and it does not exist at the same time. But they show us computer-enhanced simulations of black holes and assure us that the black holes are "readily observed." And for the "black hole exists" part, please check again the first part of my comment- there is no observational/experimental proof that the collapse of a neutron star into a black hole is unstoppable.
Congratulations to Dr. Penrose.
His Nobel Prize had been a long time coming.
yay for getting the dynamite patent money that also goes to mass murderers and pedophiles! whoo!!!
@@sumdumbmick lol
@@zhodraa I know, I know, there's no place for facts in science... if there were it wouldn't be funny.
Richard Pryor told a story of he and his best friend, famous football player Jim Brown. Pryor constantly would show off all his wealth/purchases. Brown never deviated from one topic ONLY: "what about that pipe?" Pryor was desperately addicted to cocaine.
"Heat" is Pryor's pipe. ALL the tap dancing fails to remove the epi-phenomenon of heat.
It cannot begin....it must always end.
It disallows THIS universe beginning....it forecloses on THIS universe being eternal.
EVERYTHING Penrose et al contrive is done with the denial that thermodynamics cannot be reconciled. It's the assumption that the universe HAS A NATURAL EXPLANATION/ETIOLOGY. THAT AIN'T SCIENCE....IT'S RELIGION....
@@WayneLynch69 it's not science if we take the espoused definition of science, which is essentially identical to rigor, but it is perfectly fine science as it's actually practiced, which is as a religion.
For a guy close to 90, Roger looks amazing and has as sharp a mind as ever. Also a total professional: note how he seamlessly repeats himself after the interruption at 09:55 to provide an opportunity to do an edit at that point.
This was definitely some years ago, 12-20 years I'd guess. His is visibly much older than this now. Personally, I like his voice now as opposed to younger days such as this.
Definitely. No doubt an amazing man. A well deserved accolade.
He never stop learning. Researching. Pursuing for new discoveries. When you don't give up, the chase keeps you young.
Exactly! That was my impression listening to him answering questions at such an advanced age! He looks and sounds unbelievably young! God bless him even more!
Not only that, but he does not have the arrogance of some scientists
I just love how Sir Roger Penrose explains a concept so difficult to grasp as a Universe before the big Bang where "time" in a sense doesn't existed or passed as we are used to experience in our universe, in a way that even people that don't have a physics background can understand. What a remarkable man 😁👌👌.
I didn’t understand anything, but its fine i can memorise and repeat everything to make me look smart when i’m explaining physics to my dog.
GOOD ONE! My dog used philosophical metaphysics to learn that next-door's cat travelling at twice the speed of sound is not to be trifled with! ;)
Well,you should use the feynman technique
@@rosros2795 There really ARE slots for everything in creation, aren't there? I'd never heard of this bloke, but have lived a long and volatile life in line with his principles. I put it down to the gift of a very high IQ and a memory that never forgot anything. (learned to play chess in a couple of hours and was playing in the state team a few weeks later. ) Also learned Shakespearean plays verbatim after two or three readings (to argue AGAINST the value of Shakespeare!) and used to explain the connection between the two: had a sense of the inherent mathematics of chess being evident in Shakespeare's work, and the philosophy of Shakespeare being clearly evident in chess. I always just assumed it was the job of the brain to make those sorts of connections so's the whole 'creation' could be sensed as a whole. But unfortunately my dog's brain doesn't work like that!
@@dabbbles I was just kidding man...
@@rosros2795 That's ok. Just that I'd never heard of Feynman (despite being fairly widely read over many years), so I checked him out on google and immediately recognised myself in a way I never had before. For example, I often ask for definition of an issue or a word/concept because it ties all the other bits together into a kind of mesh that stores in my brain as sort of a picture. These days you might say 'the way hard-drive works' Quite uncanny! Cheers
I love it when Roger Penrose says "you see" he genuinely wants us to see as he does.
Well "you see" this video started with a blur (literally), then it became crystal clear. ;D
You have, and *can* have, no idea what he " sees", any more than you can experience what another experiences
Do you want others to "see" as you do, and if so why?
Yeah. I'm sure he is (or was -- IDK if he still teaches) one helluva good teacher. If more educators in modern times were as sincere in their efforts as is Dr. Penrose, we (the USA) almost certainly would not be in the current pickle in which we find ourselves with regards to the abysmal state of our population's "education".
[Begin ranting in...3...2...1...]
You were warned...lol
You know, the one where over half of America's high school graduates were unable to find the UNITED FREAKING STATES OF AMERICA on a globe...and That was over twenty years ago.
Now, all of those "baby Einsteins" are so-called "adults" who keep themselves busy by convincing themselves, each other, and any other dull minds they can reach, that the earth is either flat, hollow, or both, and the moon is hollow, and etc., etc.
Yessir, we're just BEGGING for another group to take the lead in world affairs, which won't end well for us, at least not if you prefer English (or any other Romantic language) over Cantonese. Or, maybe it's just the freedom to be or to do...Anything of Your choice, really, that appeals to you, rather than living where you're told to live, working where you're told to work, gaining access to a very, VERY short list of government approved and government edited programming over the airwaves, and ditto the interwebs.
Yeah, the USA is, unquestionably, filling itself with Eloi, ripe for the picking.
We are voluntarily expediting the wholesale slaughter of our bodies, our minds, our freedoms, and our property, to name just a few of the things we will lose before all is said and done, should we continue to fail our youth (and ourselves) in education, as we have been doing for several decades now.
(SNS for the rant...lol. I just hope that maybe...MAYBE...if more people who HAVEN'T grown old, grown filthy rich, and permanently affixed themselves as a Neverending Part of our dysfunctional Political System [I'm looking at YOU, Congressmen and -women (and members of the Executive Branch, of course) who have been screwing...uhhh, Serving...I meant SERVING!...the People of our great nation for longer than I've been alive -- you g*ddamned jackals...you power hungry crooked SOBs!]...
...MAYBE, if we make enough noise about this problem then it might get fixed. But I doubt it, because that would require several attributes which are all in short supply in this country these days. I'm talking about things like values that are based on ethics rather than on a "Me! Me! Me!" mentality. I'm talking about working for what you have. And I'm also talking about The Big One -- Personal Accountability, which has become more or less nonexistent nowadays thanks to an increasingly coarse media which glorifies murdering, raping, stealing, cheating on your spouse, stealing from anyone and everyone you can, being lazy, believing that you're some kind of "badass gangsta!" (as if That is somehow a worthy and valuable goal...), and on and on and on...like this rant!
And it ALL starts in our homes; our broken homes, which are at BEST dysfunctional even IF the parents stay together, and on and on...
But that's a whole new, different (but connected) rant for another time...
*SIGH*
@@jmanj3917 Those that abuse capital letters(clearly unwittingly) emphasis *nothing* but the hysteria of the abuser.
"I come to you because you have some unique-ass insights"
-Robert Lawrence Kuhn
i’m fucking dead
I heard that too, thought I must have imagined it...
I think he had an adjective in mind starting with 'as-' but ended up dropping mid sentence and this is the result lol
"Big if true." -Robert Lawrence Kuhn
"My name is Robert Lawrence Kuhn" - Robert Lawrence Kuhn
This is a great video about how theoretical physicists hypothesise about the Universe, getting help from mathematicians to identify the mathematics needed to express these ideas, and come up with a theory that experimental physycists and astrophysicists can use to make observations to verify the theories. We're very fortunate to have an intellectually honest theorist like Roger Penrose to explain these ideas without any pretence that they are nothing more than ideas at this stage, whereas some scientists like to promote their ideas in the media, giving the rest of us the impression that their hypotheses are accepted by the scientific community when in fact they are simply promoting them.
I liked how at one point he said "I've changed my mind" and then corrected himself to say it's an idea he's working on that his thinks is promising.
The JWST is already proving Penrose's theories
Mathematics is the language of nature ,
I've heard or read about Roger Penrose and his work countless times over the years, but I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen him on screen. He seems to be an amazingly good communicator so I don't know why we don't see more of him. Brilliant man.
As a humble man perhaps he is not overly interested in himself as being "me", a characteristic perhaps others could do well to follow?
@@stuartmccall5474 He is from a different time my friend. A far different generation that no longer exist or is just fading away. I believe the societal concept of "Individualism" will be studied longer after I'm gone from this place and the effects it had on the people resent today. I am 25 years old though so I do hope I get to read and understand it before I go!
@@GreaseMonkey097 : Perhaps? I think also his origins were an influence. Individualism, in its nowadays classically accepted definition or form, is a construct more at home in US Society as a requisite of "pursuing the dream" towards the amassing of money and what it can bring, this necessitating a significant degree self centeredness and ruthlessness rather then just a degree of the same. Obviously this is a general observation and not absolute.
If you compare Sir Roger with Paul Dirac, Alan Turing and Stephen Hawking etc., they all worked with a team of others in order to have others to bounce their ideas off and were all very modest individuals. I think working in a vacuum is the more difficult way to make progress, as all that does is confirm your own brilliance.
@@stuartmccall5474 I completely agree! The future of the Science's should continue to be the collaborative effort of the intelligent. It's the only way we have progressed this far to begin with. Looking forward I do not believe Individualism, as a molding affect on society or simply just a way of Life, will impact the Science's that much. Maybe that is the beauty of culture though. The work is done as backdrop noise by the people who cared enough to do it.
Are these people just searching for God.???
Many congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his long lived and brilliant career, working with Stephen Hawking and many others. His copious Mathematical Works have enriched the World over the last 70 years.
Thanks to R.L. Kuhn for not interupting Roger and allowing him to jabber on to complete his ideas, many interveiwers are constantly inserting themselves and become a distraction
I was lost - totally lost for most of this- but was still fascinated enough to listen and watch through to the end. Who else is like me?
The universe is alive and forgets how big/how small it is...what's not to understand lol? ...keep in mind, these nobel prize winning geniuses haven't a clue how the universe works. It's all best guesses leading to more questions. We try to understand existence by using logic/math, yet we have no idea if that will work or not. You're lost because we are all lost. He's talking about things that only math can make sense of. Infinity, for example, is not a real thing, or at least we don't know if it is or not. it might be and his theories might be correct. But we don't know. Just my 2 cents. I'm lost also:)
@@TheWeirdSide1 You're both lost because you're idiots. Its totally conceivable.
We all r
@William White Clearly my comment went above your head. Try actually understanding what I wrote. You shouted, "logical fallacy" using logical fallacy..lol!
@@T0mat0S0up Well said. Now please learn how to read, dumbass.
9:53 The sheer amount of energy required to verbalise such abstract concepts actually caused books to start falling out of their shelves behind the interviewer. The small inflection of happiness across Penrose's face is as a result of a bet he made decades earlier when an identical thing occurred while explaining quantum dynamics to a classmate. The classmate said that if he could do that again, he'd pay for him to have a lapdance.
It's just Matthew McConaughey sneaking around in the 5th dimension.
Such imagination !😂
@@jemhoare2105 😂😂😂😂😂
@@afreenreads3313 imagination? Maybe. It’s also derivative from the bet made by Hawking and Thorne.
This was so delightfully and creatively random I’ve given you a like. Really made me smile. 😂
Congratulations to Sir Rogen Penrose for winning the Nobel Prize !
Sir Roger winning is a stark contrast to Obama "winning" the Nobel Prize, who had accomplished absolutely nothing.
@@randallrogers6350 the two committees judge entirely different things.
and frankly, doing "nothing" was a far cry better than doing the "something" that BushCo did.
@@randallrogers6350 That Kissinger is a nobel laureate vacated a substantial amount of the prize's meaning long ago.
@@randallrogers6350 Trump paid his taxes "in advance". That's a shout-out for morons everywhere.
@@Tony-oi3mw Don't confuse Nobel Prize in Physics with Nobel Peace Prize which has become politicized!
A large part of me is happy I understood perhaps 1% of what he said.
1%? If I got 1-10th of 1% I'd have a PHD.
He was simplifying it you know. ???
😄 I have the same feeling..
Hé wasn’t speaking technically. He was speaking in broad terms to provide general understanding of the concepts.
Jees!
he's not afraid to put these wonderful ideas out there to say how they fare. and congratulations to roger penrose for his nobel prize.
There numbers that they just made up they don't even know if that math exists.
There is nothing like listening to somebody who knows what they are talking about, they have the ability to explain it to people like me and use analogies and the like to allow me to visualise what it a very difficult theory etc. In addition they don't get lost and confused when asked questions during their explanation, they just respond to the question and go back on track and that I suggest is because what they are talking about is very clear in their mind and hence it is easy for them to talk about it
I keep watching these videos thinking that some day I'll make it past 30 seconds before I'm completely lost. A man needs to have a dream.
Smoke a joint first
@@mikewatt8706 Great idea!
@@mikewatt8706 I did as you advised but now I´m wondering how an infinite universe can be expanding ....
@@kerryburns6041 Expansion feeds infinity.
@@Paine137 You cannot be Sirius.
I follow and understood the concept and it’s beautiful in its simplicity. I don’t follow the math, though.
I can listen to Sir Roger talk all day long. He’s so humble and seems so grandfatherly.
Not a clue what he's on about but still so fascinating.
I know right? Would love to be able to visualise and understand this stuff.
Same. Wonderful video.
😂I read this prior too watching….. perfectly described what I thought about this shit
With you there Mike! Understand for about a nanosecond then I'm gone, but I love the fact that I am. God knows we need super smart people.
Yup. I feel special after listening to him.
This is actually AMAZING. Instead of a cold death with no mass or reason for time, the Universe becomes reorganized through cosmic radiation.
This concept is absolutely amazing. I love the idea of infinity being like a place that you never get to, until you realize you are already there, and things have already changed.
That seems like the purest nature of what infinity could be.
In Plato times, numbers had a DIVINE connotation that has been lost today.....
but ccc doesent work, I can explain u that
The Universe created something to observe itself.
infinity is the other side where you are not now at it. (Where one is it is here and infinity is on the other side.)
@@nmkzf proof?
*The end is the beginning*
Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose.
Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation, a kabbalistic work): The end is wedged in the beginning and the beginning in the end
The universe was not keeping time in the beginning. Given relativistic speeds ( even exceeding C during inflation) how can we say
1 how old the universe is ( how do we correct for the time dilation when particles were moving at these speeds?)
2 there was ever a “before” the universe
Donuts
why do i literally see you everyhwere
@@KabbalahDecoded WOW!! KINKY!
Such a beautiful way of talking about physics. Didn't understand a thing,but somehow what he said resonates with me.
I second that.
He just made my life worth more. I always believed there must be something before the big bang which may be unimaginable, but it never crossed my mind that size is just a number.
This man is a living genius as great as they come..Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose on a well earned Noble Prize.
LOL
He's not a genius. The last one true genius was Leonardo DiVinci
Not as famous as Stephen Hawking for obvious reasons but equally brilliant
@@markbeames7852 roger penrose is a million times smarter than leonardo davinci
@@sebastianwendelbo5453 lets not get into an unprovable and unnessesary debate.
To all the fans of Sir Roger Penrose I highly recommend reading his book The Emporer's New Mind. He goes into much more depth about his theory on what preceeded the Big Bang. He also goes into detail about how algorithms work and why computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness even in principle. A very excellent read that will leave AI cheerleaders quite butt hurt.
Did SRP literally write.."computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness"? Which were his stated definitions for "thinking" and " consciousness"? Does " cannot ", mean, " at the present time ", or, " we can safely assume that this will always be the case"? I'll read his book, but has to go at the end of a long reading list. Thanks..
@Al Garnier some say that the future already exists!
Thanks for the recommendation, sounds really interesting, I'm off to read it.
Algorithms are just brute force logic, nobody seriously thinking about the next generation of AI would rely souly on them, that's not how the brain works.
I was hoping the Plank's data will be shown, but with two confirmations (99.98%) I wonder why picture of the CMB was not shown and explained.
Congratulations Sir , for winning the 2020 Nobel prize in Physics .
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe.
Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
what does some gang of mice handing out prizes signify? by 'mice' I mean nothings and bodies.
I love Penrose, he's always been a fav of mine and I've read several his books as well which were amazing. Legend. This chat here is super engaging and entertaining.
While I know I didn’t understand a lot I still found it fascinating and engaging. And I did take away the key idea that the universe is “constantly” flip flopping between being infinitely small and then infinitely big. Like scaling an image you can drag it to nothing and if you keep dragging it starts to expand but is now a mirror image of itself. I guess all I’m say is Thank you for making me think
For an absolute ignorant like myself this was intense, but absolutely brilliant. The clock metaphor for the time and matter correlation is strinkingly simple and jawdropping. Never before had I seen such a simple and clear way to put it. From then on the concept becomes accessible for a total ignoramous like me to being able to at least follow the rest of the conversation. Also, the way it is put also leads me to think as time as a dimension of its own due to the close relationship it holds with the very nature of space. Not a new concept for me but now I feel like I get a true reason why for it. Of course, for a physicist, what I am saying may be of the most basic intellectual incompetence, but I find it so astounashingly fascinanting that I can't hold myself from sharing my deepest respect for the minds that can trully grasp this.
There are interesting correlations between Position/Velocity, Position/Frequency, Space/Time and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The core math is conjugate variables. but the fact that all these things are perfect analogies of each other makes me feel like that time is just the frequency of space at some weird fundamental level.
@@brooklyna007 YEAH! Make a video explaining your idea more?
@@timflippance3040 I would love to. But I am responsible for a family and an engineering team and they are taking all my time. =)
@@timflippance3040 But I am happy to answer any questions about the above on this thread.
When Sir Roger finally built up to the possible similarities between the very remote past and the very remote future, with the exception of scale, for which there will be no meaningful measure, my jaw actually dropped. What an elegant concept! This video is also an excellent demonstration of how individual notions build on each other within and eventually between generations of scientists.
Me too .. couldn't agree more .. 'elegant concept' indeed .. :-)
Dear uptown 3636,
Thank you so much for putting it all together into a statement which perhaps will make sense to all of us out there who can now relate and reverberate more clearly with what they felt like and thought after listening to Sir Roger...
I have a doubt . during Big bang temperature is highest. And in future which sir refer here , temperature will be lowest and all photons will be in low energy state. Then how temperature will increase and initiate a new big bang in future. Can anyone help
@@jishnuraj9866 I think what he's saying is that its not the absolute temperature that's important but the relative temperature that matters. So rather than thinking of the big bang as the hottest and the distant future as the coldest its more that at the big bang temperature was uniform, meaning at maximum entropy, and in the distant future it will be uniform, equally meaning maximum entropy, and with maximum entropy comes the inability to measure time and with it measure anything else. So I think in the same way that he said that the universe would forget it's size with no way to measure it, it would also forget it's absolute temperature as there would also be no way to measure that.
@@stephen2437 I think as per second law of thermodynamics entropy is increasing with time and irreversible without outside interference. It's just a measure of vibration of particles. At the big bang temperature was high and entropy lowest .
Boy, it's incredible! So Mass = frequency (and there is the time ticking). Time is money is just a human version of ultimate anthro-cosmo relationship.
After 200000yrs, we found out now.
Great interview, educational and entertaining. Thanks for the effort and keep up the good work
We're so lucky to be living in this age with so much knowledge.
Yet, humanity seems hell bent on death by ignorance.
Lmsolllllllll
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Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
you think this is good?..wait another 100 yrs or so, haha
The more knowledge the more ignorant tiny and fragile we seem
Sir Roger is the best of the best. Brilliance, humanness, and common sense.
What about the invisible realm? I didn't hear Sir Roger mention it at all. Did you?
means what?
Listening to Penrose is like having a narrated acid trip.
I had to take acid so I wouldn't freak out
OK folks, Proof this guy is talking nonsense. He misses out the most important factor.
GOD
let me give you all a chance to stretch your brains and convinve you all of a superior inteligence to begin with. let me give you all a video here by me, and ask all of you if any of you can solve tyhis mystery, I bet the author of this video hasnt got a clue
ruclips.net/video/_ao42M2vRIw/видео.html
OK folks all study this video and see if any of you can decipher this alien message. I will put up the video that displays the message in a week or so. good luck
@@expattaffy1954 shut up. God is gay
@@expattaffy1954 i think you may have taken to much acid
@@expattaffy1954 if there is a God, I think he would be ok with us humans trying to understand this stuff. It's not much different from humans working out how we breathe, the discovery of gravity, how to make a combustion engine etc etc just another discovery bout how reality works. Just as wondrous, probably more, than a great magician in the sky waving his wand and kapoof! creating it all in a day .
I had a brilliant physics and astronomy teacher in the 90's. His name was Franck W. Pettersen, RIP. He was head of the Tromsø Aurora Planetarium back in the day, but he grew tired of it, because he only showed the guests "touristy" things there, when he really wanted to explore the deep ideas about the universe itself. So, he quit that job and became a teacher at a nearby high school. His idea was that there could probably be more than one universe, and or perhaps a kind of string of universes like Penrose suggests here. It was just a hunch he had, so to speak, but either way, having him as a teacher was an honour, not just for me, but for most of the other pupils who was greatly inspired by him.
Dear CTT, thank you for your effort to bring in such a distinguished guest as Dr. Penrose. Also thank you for taking advantage of his wisdom on such an interesting and fun topic. Your channel and its contents are a precious contribution to public science education that helps us humans to become better species. Warm regards from a subscriber.
YES THE gorgon speaks.... BUT WILL SHATNER have mercy
Topic is sensationally beautiful & most demanding . It is touched , which is highly rewarding . Prof Dr CCBISWAS .
If only someone would ask, or would have asked the Penrose fellow exactly what he seeks to convey by " the universe", I guarantee you he would not be able to tell you without waffling and you_knowing, or as is said beating about the bush.
Emphasis on fun, because that is what it is!!!!!
"Better" in what sense and by what measure?-likeable?
“Whoop there it is” - Roger Penrose
Yes, that was awesome.
Shakalaka shakalaka
9:53 That's the universe beginning to feel just a little uncomfortable about what Sir Roger Penrose is saying
Hahah 🙌
More like 9:54/55.
But yes. The joke was genius.
Or maybe it was when the bicycle horn went off.
Extremely intelligent but also has the common sense to hold position, wait for the background noise to dissipate and repeat what he had said before the noise.
i think infinity is everywhere, when you walk down the street, when you do anything, and somehow space and time masks this and we are not aware of it.
Glad to discover Roger Penrose! He is able to explain very complex science to lay people like me. His theory makes beautiful sense to me, and answers some important questions, such as what happened before the Big Bang. I was thinking these gravitational ripples could even contain information that could be passed to the next universe. The theory reminds me of Hindu creation concepts and some of Buddhism/ Taoism as well. Absolutely awe inspiring.
I'm just a layman with just an 'A Level' grasp of Mathematics, who has only dipped in and out of such concepts (over 40 years), but this guy sounded consistent with what I know and understand about this subject. And he was clear to say "I'm not saying this is true, it's just a speculation to consider" - that was exactly how Copernicus expressed his idea of a Heliocentric system.
However...just because in the past concepts that were thought to be impossible turned out to have some credence, doesn't mean that all such dubious concepts will eventually have relevance.
Sadly, I continually find that people don't understand the fundamental thing about 'science' (which is just the application of the 'scientific method') that it doesn't seek to 'prove' anything - it actually seeks to disprove everything (via scientific methods) and what we can't disprove, is the best we have.
This guy gets THAT! So, for me, he is a real scientist, and I so respect that.
Very well deserved Nobel prize Roger. Absolutely love listening to his interviews especially on his work with anaesthetist Stuart Hammerof. I genuinely think their work is as close as it gets to possibly identifying the roots of consciousness. Roger can probably also create the equations to prove it....
Yes ! the orchestrated reduction theory is the only contender for a "theory of consciousness"
A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose:ruclips.net/video/mDuF64tHStY/видео.html
@@realitycheck1231 thanks
Here Penrose explains his theory where the beginning is also the end! Profound. As a small child I used to have "scale invariance" nightmares believe it or not - where what I held between my thumb and forefinger was no different to some huge object in outer space. It was all the same. I love the reference to Echer's angels and devils!
It really shows how great a mind he is to be able to explain such a complex concept in relatable language
It shows how much he knows about the subject, great scientist right there.
A unique talent to explain math and physics for the layman to understand. He is a very good speaker.
Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose! Amazing genius with modesty to admit that this is a mathematics, and physical reality could br different.
I love Penrose. He’s such an easy to understand and thoughtful person. His ideas are always so innovative.
Brillant man and a great communicator. Only in a few occasions I’ve listened to someone conveying such difficult mathematics concepts so elegantly simple.
Agreed 100%.
Brilliant or not he has absolutely no idea what he means by " the universe" or " reality", and certainly no more of an idea than you do and both of you have no idea at all.
What does " brilliant mean and why do you suppose the old fool that cannot define his terms to be " brilliant"?
Very well deserved win of Noble Prize 2020, Dr. Penrose is one the the few physicists who contemplates on "consciousness" in a proper manner.
His speculative albeit interesting views on consciousness had nothing to do with his nobel prize... His contribution to actual theoretical physics research in the form of proving and deriving the Singularity theorems is what got him the prize.
His ”theory of consciousness” isn’t actual science. It’s just playful and creative speculation by a brilliant mind.
Clearly any fool can get one of those nonsense prizes.
@@vhawk1951kl Yeah any fool with a phd in mathematical physics who has proven the singularity theorems, been an author in hundreds of some of the most notable and influential scientific research publications of the last 100 years, discovered new features like Penrose tilings, Terrel -rotation etc and changed tensor calculus forever.
Oh wait I forgot that you don’t have any training in or even the slightest clue about differential and algebraic geometry and how they relate to spacetime because you’d prefer to just act edgy in yt comments as if you should be taken seriously when in reality you never even put the work in to study the subjects let alone get a degree in physics or mathematics. But with a bit of humility and diligence you could learn these subjects like anyone else.
@@vhawk1951kl Go on then. Go and get your fool's prize.
“Oh yea, I understand you completely man. Science and space and stuff, totally get it all”
I'm fascinated by some theories of Penrose, specifically what he talks about in this video.
The most interesting part is watching Sir Roger explain these theories in an everyday manner. I couldn't do that
1 the link between frequency and time, so simple and yet so strong. 2 "the universe forgets how big it is", like "there's no need to continue this. Let's start all over". Powerful ideas.
Thank you for finding the words... so regular people (like me) can have a glimpse on such deep, beautiful and complex theme. I’m amazed!
Prof. Hameroff is right: He IS an incredibly modest and sweet man given the fact that his thinking goes beyond anyone else's so far and he's still this down to earth to even chuckle and smile at his own ideas! And as to those ideas, of which I'm hoping to get the very basic aspects and essence: Absolutely genius to end all genius. Wow.
Get out of your own mind for a while you self absorbed pea.
Incredible. I understood what he said. He stubled while explaining, but it reached me. Feels like a revelation to me. Another great way of looking at how the universe began. Thank you.
What this guy is speaking speaks volumes! I like how he’s not locked into a position and how he has the ability to evolve! My personal opinion is like 80% of the population I really don’t know in the back of my mind how all this came into existence but I do know it’s a lot of fun learning. Put your seat belts on my friends because this man is from another intellectual planet! Lol
You understand that 'evolve' means unroll?
If not, what exactly do you mean by it or seek to convey when you use the word?
It's amusing he uses Escher as an illustration to his ideas when his ideas had been an inspiration to Escher... :) Perfection!
This man has a fascinating view; and a wonderful way of expressing things
I don't think he's good at explaining what he means
understanding such complex ideas give more pleasure than any other things
Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose, both for the Noble Prize and for making my head explode. I love this channel, I’ve followed you on your quest for a while now and I hope we find the answers.
Whate exacly is stroking your pleasure reaction?
Read Stephen Hawkings last book and was somewhat depressed by the idea that "nothing" existed before the Big Bang. Sir Roger's infectious enthusiasm (and infinite intellect ! ) offers a glimmer of hope that talking about a situation Before the Big Band is maybe, not totally outrageous. This I find more reassuring even though I am conscious that the evolution of the Universe is a dispassionate unfolding of events.
The Big Bang never happened. Observations prove this.
I don't know about 'nothing'. The word often tends to be insufficient for the concepts involved. See also M-theory, brane cosmology, etc.
To quote Stephen Hawking " The great mystery at the heart of the Big Bang is to explain how an entire , fantastically enormous universe of space and time can materialise out of nothing.
@@fivish Learn just a little bit more to avoid saying nonsense, please!!
I heard Richard Feynman once speculate about the end of the universe. He said the universe reaches a point at the very end of it's existence, that precisely mimics the conditions at the very beginning. At which point the universe seems to forget that it is ending and it starts all over.
Everything is a pulse
Assuming the universe has the ability/faculty to know anything! Or indeed remember/forget!
Imagination is no route to truth!
@@Gdad-20 Feynman didn't say the universe remembers... he just said it seems to remember. There is very likely an explanation for that, but we don't know what it is.
Current data suggests a heat death with no “restart” from what I remember
NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT ..
Love the way Roger explains his ideas ... fascinating, baffling and funny too ..
feels good to have a theory that says you will exist forever in all forms and all states
Physics just scratches the surface.
Physics is just beyond the experts and the professors.
Physics allowed you to post your inane comment.
@@byteme9718 Could be, but where does physics come from 🤔
@@eekay5710Oh, my sides 😆
Fascinating. Eternity is the absence of time (a clock)(a measuring stick). A singularity of energy gently disturbed by gravitational waves like raindrops on a pond setting the stage for a new expansion. WOW! The wonder of it all. Should make all humans treat each other better knowing that somehow, someway, we are a significant part of all of this.
Humans are not a significant part of the universe, that’s your ego misconstruing our importance through your myopic vision. In reality, we’re a temporary spec on an infinite plain whose collective existence will vanish well before the sun expands into a Red Giant and engulfs the earth.
August Moon It never ceases to amaze me how someone who considers humans to be so insignificant can be so arrogant. You are entitled to your opinion but no need to undermine others who draw a different conclusion from the data.
I AGREE WITH ROGER PENROSE.
IT'S C.C.C. ( NEVER ENDING BIG BANGS).🎉
This is a really deep and profound concept--the fate of our universe could be the beginning of a new one. Size loses meaning at the end (and beginning), so there is no reason why the expanded final universe could not be the same as the tiny universe of the big bang.
Every time he says “you see” I really wish I could see it. 🤣 I understand these ideas almost like it’s all part of a dream and I just woke up and the more I try to remember the dream the more it evaporates.
Nicely expressed 😊👌🏼 I was thinking and feeling the same but cdn't think of expressing it in such an articulate way 👌🏼👍
Are you not at all interested in why that is and could not possibly be otherwise?
@@vhawk1951kl of course I am interested in all of these types of discussions! I love how these abstract ideas become concrete realities as scientific exploration continues and answers are found.
perhaps like trying to catch or escape from, your shadow?
In a way, it seems that gravity is how the universe keeps in touch with itself as it spreads out. If it gets big enough, gravity ends, it develops amnesia, and a sort of renormalization occurs.
How? What does "forgetting" or "amnesia" of the universe mean?
@@ScienceUniverse I have to admit that my ideas are very nebulous and not backed up by and kind of math or science.
But seeing that physical laws and quantum entanglement appear to be everywhere the same, it occurs to me to wonder if there might be a point where these phenomena become disconnected.
As far as I know, gravity does never "end". It gets smaller with increasing distance, and thus it approaches zero but never actually becomes zero.
We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe.
Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.
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@@prioris55555 haha … try living in the real world , you have any proof for this nonsense ?I think not .
I disagree with his hypothesis that you could go before because the universe had lost the ability to track time because there was no mass yet. The way I make sense of it is as follows: If there is no mass yet, there is no such thing as time yet. Therefore it makes no sense to speak of a before. Now I know this is the ‘old’ explanation but I think it’s the right one. It makes more sense than saying well if there is no time then nothing prevents you from traveling to a time before the big bang. Without mass there is no such thing as a timeline, so how can you travel along it?
Wife: "What are you watching "?
Me: " Errrrrrr I,ll explain it to you later".
She thinks I was talking about the series
This is basically Space Porn.
@@MegaParrotMan and it’s pretty hardcore
she wants big bang bang.
Sir Roger here is persuing his idea of Tessellation Universe! Like those tessellation drawings of MC Escher. Also knows as conformal geometry! 🙌
Can we all just stop for a second to appreciate the fact that Roger Penrose said "Whoop, there it is" at 11:08
sum up for me exactly what he 'did' say.
@@vhawk1951kl Dude why are you such a troll? Give it up already
Sorry, I'm lost but I greatly admire this kind of intellect that tries to make sense of something I feel we will never really know.
Love this theory. To me it sounds like if you continue to expand a balloon eventually the balloon pops. So the universe stretches/expands just like a balloon until it explodes in a big bang and starts itself over again. The very end and the very beginning have the same conditions. Once the universe stretches to the point there is no longer mass, time breaks down along with physics itself causing a re - explosion again to re- start the universe all over again in a never ending cycle. So the "big rip" ending theory is also the big bang beginning theory as well. The big bang is the end and the beginning and is just one single unifying event. Best theory of everything I've heard yet. This guy's a genius
But why does physics breaking down cause another big bang? This theory doesn't explain anything about why it happened as it can't explain how it happened, he just thinks it does. I'm not trying to be an arse, I just don't understand what the universe tearing apart has to do with it then having another big bang, how does popping a balloon result in another balloon being blown up? I get that the theory is essentially that the universe recycles itself but I don't understand why it "bangs" after it "rips"?
@@djpiccalo100 look it up. He's a philosopher. Didn't bring anything new to the table just useless talk. Just comments sound stupis. Maybe they want to sound smart.
@@Prof_Bum stop talking out of yourself. Amazing that you edited your comment and it's still incorrect
Not quite. He doesn't even attempt to explain the 'space' the balloon is expanding INTO. How about the idea that 'Big Bangs' are local events which occur commonly throughout an infinite universe, which also contains any 'space' beyond our currently-observable boundaries?
There are things only God knows
"I have another idea which I'm pursuing which has a reasonable chance of being right." Awesome humility.
If both extremes are timeless and indistinguishable, then they are actually one thing.Time bounded by itself: its end also its begining.
No, your reasoning is flawed. Two different things can have many properties in common without any implication that they are the SAME thing. Many properties is not the same as all properties.
@@starfishsystems But "they" are not different: IT is time-in-the-universe.
That, too, is like my dog..chasing its tail.
So wonderful that he is still thinking outside of the box. Doesn't feel the need to write yet another paper on inflationary theory but would rather tackle truly big issues with truly revolutionary ideas, and ideas that most importantly can be tested.
"It is pretty hard to bore a photon" - Sir Penrose
Has to be the most deeply insightful yet equally hilarious statement I ever heard.
We can make 'light' of it...
lets go with " deeply insightful " and yes I agree 💕
Ha Ha..
Believing in Big Bang itself requires perhaps more faith then believing in God. You have to be a true follower (of Big Bang) to appreciate it without questioning.
when you last experienced " a photon" , how did you know what you were experiencing was " a photon"?
@@kavindrachetna no arguing with that, bravo.
Watched this three times and i think i finally understand what he means by universe forgetting how big it is. The funny thing is it actually makes sense.
Wht do either of you mean by" the universe"?How do you experience" the universe, and when experiencing it, how do you know that what you are experiencing is " the universe"?
Why Did Our Universe Begin? So that Roger Penrose could finally win a Nobel Prize.
True 3:44 does not make sense hence the nobel sir. Some big words some big theories which make no sense to us. Please put it in simple terms what was there before the big bang. Was it matter like murky water or what.
@@farrukh2325
3:56 "...there's NO before..."
😂😂😂
sounds like you read from the bible 🤔
As good of a reason as any.
I believe that it's easy for something to happen than nothing to happen forever.
11:08
"Whoop, there it is!"
Sir Roger Penrose.
Brilliant
Nothingness was getting really bored just sittin' around doin' nothin'. So it did a little sumpin' sumpin' to liven things up!
so boredom is universal after all, thought it was just me XD
...as you do.
Yo dude the oppression of nothing caused something 😊
You literally claim that something comes from nothing and you do not believe in magic. What an idiot.
The question “why?” automatically creates the concepts of Reason and ultimately a Creator. This has spawned all the myths about God(s) and religions. Whilst discussions around “why?” can be interesting, what is more important is learning how to live peacefully and sustainably together, thereby enabling such discussions and life in general, to continue. By the way, scientific enquiry involves the question “how?” rather than “why?”.
1.Life to continue, but why?
You never get rid of the question why.
If you discount "why" what is even the point of anything? We're not just DNA replication machines. Everything flows from the fact that we are self-reflecting consciousness, with the unique ability to critically reflect on the self as an object from the perspective of the subject. The capacity for self-reflection & the ability to communicate symbolically is the only faculty that lets us do science (as well as culture and religion) & ask "how". No other animal does this. We wouldn't even begin bothering with "how" if we weren't really asking "why?" Sometimes I wonder who suffers more from neurotic repression, hardcore materialists or fundamentalist monotheists.
Questions about "what is important" seem to include the question "why"
Why is anything important?
@@duprie37 My response to “why?“, around the issue of creation is “don’t know”. I then carry on with living with the notion that life is an opportunity to have enjoyable experiences and to help other people have enjoyable experiences. It just feels good to do that plus I’ve also had the experience that the happier more people are, then life on Earth becomes easier and more enjoyable. I don’t need a Creator or a Religion to do that. The discussion around the existence or not of a Creator is perhaps interesting but, for me, not important. Language is a tool; it should not be a prison.
@@johnbuckner2828 maybe because the experiencing of Life is important. It might be all we have, but it might not.
This is consistent with my philosophy that we never stop existing. But as long as we don't perceive the universe around us, then time stops existing - for us. This means that when we die, we are simply transported to our next experience, conscious or not. Maybe some day, in this universe or the next, we are built together again as humans, and get to experience another human life.
I'll have to listen to this a few more times before i come close to understanding any of it.
Lmsollllllll
.... If you really want to know why the uni was created ask prisoners who are doing time.
Learn basic physics
Wow! The most informative 17 mins in my life so far! This is why I want to study Astrophysics. (I got offers from universities in the UK but didn't get the visa because I'm a Syrian seeker of freedom and asylum)
You understood all that? Give this man his damn visa!
I wish European countries would be more open to fugitives like you. They may not all turn out to be astrophysicians, but apart from the humanitarian reasons for being more open (which is already reason enough imho), I know they can be an enrichment for society and make for stronger bonds with the future nations they originate from.
Speaking as a Brit, I genuinely apologise for our ridiculously xenophobic govenment and the electorate that loves them. We can't kick them out for at least 4 years, but eventually we will, and a progressive UK will want astrophysicists :-)
You should have applied to be a barista, wash cars or pick fruit & vegetables for almost nothing. These are the vital skills my government wants, not smart people - vulnerable ones.....
Good luck obtaining a future visa and with your studies
Brilliant formulation. Even if this particular one may not be correct, we need such great stretch of imagination and a follow up with observational evidence to establish the truth. Please keep it up.
Science makes no truth claims. At best there’s a maybe. Science and truth are not in the same neighborhood,
@@deanodebo science is based on observations and finding a pattern or a model to define those observations so we can predict things and build tools. Other times it can be an opposite process, we assume a model and try to check its validity by observations predicted by that model. We get better and better with time and experience. Truth, who knows what the truth is but science is the only real tool we have which has a chance of getting close to the truth.
@@IdiotEarthworm
What do you mean by that? (The only tool we have… truth)
Science makes no truth claims whatsoever. What are you talking about?
The basic proposition produced by science is the following:
We assume without justification (take on faith) ABCDE and F. Given those assumptions and given the theoretical paradigm we are working within, and given preliminary data, the natural phenomenon MAY work like this…
And that is absolutely nothing in the neighborhood of truth.
Whenever someone appeals to truth in the domain of science, we are actually in the realm of scientism. Not science.
@@deanodebo I don't understand what you are saying. How else would you know how the world works? The aeroplane flies because someone has mapped how aerodynamic forces work on the surfaces or a nuclear bomb explodes because scientists have worked out certain properties of the nature based on a model. Even if science may not get to ultimate truth, what other means are there to reach the truth? Science is the best tool there is.
@@IdiotEarthworm
What’s your thing with truth? If you’re so enamored with science, just take it as it is. Don’t try to make it some kind of beacon of truth. Science says nothing about morality. Nothing about aesthetics. Nothing about faith. Nothing about the joy of spending time with family or friends. In fact science can’t say anything about logic, or mathematics, or epistemology, or metaphysics.
It goes on and on. Science is like a wrench in my toolbox out in my garage. Ok, a useful tool, but you won’t hear me going on about how the wrench gets me close to truth.
The universe needed to exist because my personal awesomeness was simply irresistible.
one of the great minds of my lifetime. Congratulations Sir Roger.
Well, many people "saw" this explanation while on psychedelics : One existence stretches to eternity and then another one pops out and does the same. There is no starting point of this process. If you go back from one of those universes you'll just keep entering "creations" backwards.
I can wrap my head around the premise of previous iterations of the universe and essentially time not existing, but if there's no matter/mass remaining from the previous iteration what triggers the big bang for the next one?
@themask9909 Isn't it strange?
Our minds can't grasp infinity (kinda can when "tripping 🤔), but mathematics play with it constantly.
He said when universe stretches till there is no matter (No matter =no time) it doesn't know how big it is. It's like universe in it's core has or hasn't intelligence or self awareness. Wtf?
There's definitely no sense that this universe is all that is, was or will be.
I had an atheist friend who praised the mushroom experience, but was annoyed with every time feeling presence of a higher being (God). 😂
On LSD my gaze once focused in on a light beam, coming from a candle flame (you know, like when you're looking at it through your eyelashes) and as I kept zooming in I saw individual photons, and zooming in on one of those, I saw what they consist of: photons are (very fast) rope skipping cartoon characters who look somewhat like Mario
@@scott-bb3tj GOD
@@bubbalong7646sounds like God of the gaps.
"Eternity is no big deal to a photon"
Remember that next time youre waiting in the queue outside the bank standing two metres apart
This will be like eternity to us.
Think laterally. Carry a gun. No waiting. (pays well, too.)
????? who stands in the queue? Breeze into the bank, head for the teller's cage coughing and spluttering all over the place, and you'd be amazed how quickly the queue disappears! That might be the very reason god created the virus. (and "saw that it was good")
@@dabbbles 🤪
@DR Rvps Aakash hmmmm. So you're saying relativity is relative?
This Penrose theory is very interesting , i dont understad too much , but This Ciclic Conformal universe is very interesting its seems Dr.Penronse have found a way to equalize a big bang singularity with the final state of this universe , the big freez , when the universe became so cold and so big so there ate no more energy to make work , and there are no clocks to mesure Time , and the this "final" state is rescalling to a new big bang , new universe , new Eon , its very cool😊😊
The number of PhDs acquired is proportional to the layers of clothes one can wear without breaking a sweat
Today I learned I'm going to fail my PhD
Perspiration Hitherto Denied lol
no, libraries are just cold
Dani Manrique M. Sooo funny lol Also sad, after realizing I mostly wear a t shirt
degrees show how well you answer questions on tests.. and.. how good you were as a grad student slave for your doctoral advisor and overseers.. ☆☆☆ despite much advertising to the contrary . .. education is not something someone else does to us.. it's what we do to satisfy our own curiosity
A wonderful idea. Time is simply a brief anomaly between the beginning and the end, both being the same thing. I don't think it's sensible to think of "before" and "after" when they're inextricably bound to one another for their existence like light and shadow.
Just like there's no before and after noon for lazy people. lol
How is that any different from saying 'time' is blue?
Everything returns to the source..
Keep going! Neil Turok has pointed out that both the beginning and ending, zero and infinity, of the universe are extremely simple, that is describable in just a few numbers. It's in the in-between that things are complex allowing entities such as galaxies and human beings to exist.
Also, if you can transcend big and small, then zero and infinity are very similar in that, while both are projected on the real number line, neither behaves like any other real number. Which is why, when I'm thinking about things like this, I like to think using a logarithmic number line (Zero, ... 1/100, 1/10, 1, 10, 100, ... Infinity) where both zero and infinity can be approached but never reached. (Note: this zero is therefore slightly different from the additive identity zero we all know and love. And in my opinion, a much more interesting one!)
Something's going on there. Let me know when you figure it out!
@@CosmosMarinerDU Thank you! I love the "number" zero. So much so that I named one of my cats "Zero." I've intuited that zero is similar to infinity. I'll look into Turok. Thank you. :)
It’s so beautiful that you feel the truth emanating out of this concept much like a gravitational wave.
Its a diabolical lie.
TOO HIS CREDIT ;. Intellectual honestly at 90%
How can you tell whether or not it is "true"(assuming you have any idea what you mean by " true")?
Ttue for "whom"?
@@vhawk1951kl You think the earth and the heavens is a coincidence?
how do you know it is(whatever you mean by) 'true'?- it corresponds with, or mirrors, what?
"The universe forgets how big it is." Brilliant! That's the part of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology I hadn't quite been able to grasp.