Who in the world would go to his church? Reed and Joyner were so childish throwing shade at each other after Reed resigned. With everything that has come out about what's been going on at Morningstar, neither one of them should continue in ministry.
@@Simbaress247 Anyone can be a Star ⭐ and even make 💰 money on RUclips especially if you are reasonably good looking. Screw Morningstar-Ihop, even though these ministries bless the majority of people. Someone called it the Accuser of the brethren. Necessary for the end time, unfortunately. Peace.
I really appreciate you talking about this, I am part of Tikkun and spoke with Ron for a couple hours, just to clarify Tikkun is not overseeing Firefly just stepping in the void as a legal ministry entity is required to contract Firefly as independent investigators. They do not have ANY say in the outcome of this truly independent investigation.
You guys have seen the interview on John Bastian’s channel with Leah right? At least 35 women abused in Morningstar school between 2008-2011 courtesy of the two school leaders
We were visiting family in Florida this weekend and visited Alan's church down there. He is the real deal and his message was on Jesus flippin' tables...so relevant! Thanks for helping flip tables! :-) The church needs this!!
Don't worry about Chris Reed - he is digging his own hole deeper with every word he speaks. Every video he releases confirms why the Lord exposed him. Continue to unmask these wolves. I hope Morning Star University students send in their formal reports and ensure every leader is investigated thoroughly. It is time for accountability.
@@cazpk6840 I agree. I tried to listen to his videos a couple times. He comes across as incredibly immature. Not trying to insult him but I’m amazed that people are willing to follow this man.
I find it so bizarre, how people and pastors are responding to these things. (Not all of them of course) When I asked my (former)pastor if she’s heard about Robert Morris (whose sermons she loves to show at church), she condescendingly chastised me, saying we should be able to forgive him and move on. (As if whether or not to forgive is even the issue there.🤦🏼♀️). Not a single hint of concern that he could be capable of predatory CSA toward a child. The response of pastors and other Christians toward these situations is so hurtful and shocking to me.
Aside from how dangerous her line of thinking this, I would be very careful with any woman who claims to be a lead pastor of any kind or who has been put in the position of one. It’s not biblical and creates messes whether immediately detected or not. God’s order is the only order that works.
I completely agree with what you are doing. I know that our Heavenly Father has raised you both up together for such a time as this. I am so encouraged to hear and observe how you two are standing together as obedient followers and servants of our Precious Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ on behalf of his vulnerable lambs. It is incomprehensible how these narcissistic wolves seek out their victims, stalk them, rip them apart, then band together to cover their tracks. It is pathetically hilarious to observe how these wolves have convinced themselves and others that they are entitled to victimize and abuse individual people in an attempt to satisfy their selfish, sinful messed up lives. It is frightening to witness how unrepentant these wolves are. Continue to stand, and no matter what is hurled your way, keep standing. I know that our Lord Jesus Christ is honored when we stand for His precious lambs.
I so enjoy you channel and benefit a lot from it and your laid back style- between 1991 and 1993, I was part of Grace Training Centre and Metro Vineyard at KC when Mike was Senior Pastor- I’m so grateful for you sticking with this conversation and interviewing different people. Thanks for your honesty and commitment as you walk your own healing journey. Thanks so much for
Only $36K raised? Sam Storms, Francis Chan, Eric Metaxas, Kris Valloton, Bill Johnson, and Michael Brown could easily fund this by themselves. Kris could sell his corvette. IMO, they have been exposed, along with Mike Bickle, for the grifters they truly are.
Have you watched any of the videos from Leaving the message? It's a RUclips and podcast expose of pentecostal evangelicals that are proven false since 1890's
@@Kathy-y7e I did read scripture. The scripture says: Go into all the world, heal the sick and caste out devils. He told the disciples this and we are likewise his disciples. Jesus no longer castes out devils to clean up the church. He left that job to his people to be accomplished when they receive the power of his Holy Spirit. He has given you the power of attorney to act in his name. Most willl leave it in the hands of god…. And the bad stuff continues. The church will be begging for God to do something. Truth is, He already has done something. . Jesus rose From the dead and the things he did on earth he said would be done in a greater capacity by you after his departure.
It helps me. I lost my faith for 15 years after this kind of ministry. After I did I felt I was freed from a cult. Now I know I was. Im basic Christian now. Nothing fancy! 😃
Most men who struggle with sexual sin need a polygraph test in order for everything to come out for their wives. It’s common practice in sexual addiction to require this of a spouse due to the level of lies & manipulation. I sure hope Diane Bickle has the support she needs to uncover the full truth of her husband’s secret life.
Go Jennifer!! Listening to you talk at double speed really emphasized your passion. 😂. Mike's, Robert M, Chris, etc. admitted & "apologized" just enough to jump thru some hoops and maybe get off the hook. But like Jennifer said. "This is only the tip of the iceberg."
I use to think you just could not move on from the past. But the longer this has been taking thank you for not letting this go you keept reminding people.
I love the tangent about getting a job and getting out of ministry. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 but also, insurance sales is a grind. I’ve been a financial advisor assistant for five years and they never stop.
Worldly sorrow is different than Godly sorrow. Godly sorrow will cause a sinner to divulge everything and then they can truly repent. Worldly sorrow is when someone is caught and then admits what they were caught for. That leads to death. Recognize the difference in these pastors. They are not experiencing Godly sorrow. 2 Corinthians 7:10
I believe we can take zero credit for anything we do "for God" but amazingly God still uses us and surprisingly still accomplishes His will through us often (not just despite us)
I gotta say, when internet was new, IHOP has a 24/7 music and is listened to it a few times while sleeping. I woke up feeling a dark spirit, so I never liked IHOp
"Don't mess with me!" I love Christina! We tried to be kind to Chris in hopes he will learn and do differently, but he has obviously refused to learn. He is as toxic as his fathers... Keep your daughters, sisters, and your mothers away from that church!!
Chris Reed sounds like he’s had his tongue pierced on his recent video. Very tongue tied. 😳🙁 and what’s up with shaving his face. Everything about him is very disturbing.
I appreciate your youtube channel. I think it takes alot of courage to openly talk about the behavior of these church "leaders". James 3:1 Not many of you should be teachers knowing you will receive a greater judgment. I think these self appointed leaders forget they also are sheep. Not above others but completely equal. Hopefully people will become closer to our Lord Jesus the Great Shepard of us all and stop looking up to other people. May God bless you both🙏
Mike Bickle had such a good reputation even at our church whom he visited every once in awhile! So for all these preachers to support Mike, Eric Metaxas just believed them! I do not believe he meant to make such a big mistake! He has been a great speaker for saving our republic and bringing out a lot of history that many people and young people don’t know! Because the schools have stopped teaching history 10 years ago! And even that history was not enough because they left out a lot over the last 30 years! I don’t fault him because he was fooled by this so-called reliable preachers!
@@cynthiahamlin8059 i’m just jumping in here, but financial support of the big “I” country, would be not only be based on a false premise, but treason… Who would give money to a “de facto” state and call it God?
@@cynthiahamlin8059 Read the breakthrough, masterpiece novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke" It is a Divine Comedy and Tale of the Christ. Seek and find. Enjoy!
I am going to write the presidents of the Christian and missionary alliance of Canada and the USA. We were both taken advantage of Ravi Zacharias. He played the game and we couldn’t do our jobs to stop him earlier. Because he was smart and went around the church structure! Otherwise he would have been outed decades earlier! Because we tried but had victims sign ndas and then when interviewed by elders they said nothing! So we knew nothing! Or we knew something but couldn’t get proof as elders. UGH!! And just pull credentials was what we could do.
So, what is the answer for all of this? What can be put in place to avoid all of this so it doesn't happen, or would happen much less in the future, or would be exposed much sooner so there would be fewer victims? What if a pastor was told that if he takes a position in this church, that they want him to tell the congregation that anyone can come to him about anything that is the cause of some harm, and if they don't feel safe doing that, they can take someone with them, and the focus of all of this will be to plead the cause of anyone oppressed by any kind of evil, and once something is found out to be evil and is the cause of harm or distress, then the plea will be made for mercy, that mercy be extended to the oppressed party by the offender. What kind of pastor wouldn't say "This is what I have wanted all my life. This is the work we should be doing. I was hoping we could do this and that we all can learn how to be effective in the ministry of reconciliation."? Or should we all feel better if a potential pastor would say, "Well, now, the scripture plainly teaches that nobody should come forward with any kind of accusation, unless 2 or 3 actually saw or knew for sure of an event of evil, you know, actual eyewitnesses, and nobody will be coming for me, unless we have all of that." ? Which church would you feel safer in? Or which church would prefer to be a part of?
If judgment is to begin in the house of God, let's get on with it, I say. And from there, it could go out into the world. I think of how valuable Job was to his city. (see Job 29) I also think of Jer 22.
There is a spirit of Amnon that’s not mention in the church. He raped his sister Tamar and discarded her like trash. It happened in David’s family. So this spirit of manipulation, lust that leads to shame, trauma, death, chaos and war with in family of God is very much present now.
Does IHOPKC have liability insurance? Cause once this investigation is over there is/should be a civil lawsuit. I can’t imagine they will have a liability issuance to cover the lawsuit. Also once there is a settlement I can’t imagine any insurance company covering their liability insurance afterwards. IHOPKC will shutdown cause of the lawsuit probably. The Truman property will probably have to be liquidated to cover the lawsuit cost.
Very few can steward the righteous indignation of a Holy God until the purpose of it is complete. Stay in the fire. Much is at stake. They have been seduced by gold glory and girls, to their everlasting shame if not repented of . They want huge followings , much now is required of them to stop the collateral damage. I can tell your hearts are broken, not just for the victims but for the church and for Jesus . He has broken your hearts with the things that break His . Your mission ,should you decide too accept it, 😜 is not for the faint of heart. He is coming for a spotless Bride .💔
I think the work you guys are doing is very important in light of the failure of the church at large to condemn and expose, but please try to remember that sometimes you may not have a full picture of everything. Specifically, I take issue with your comments about Dr. Michael Brown. I realize you can't possibly keep up with everything and I don't blame you for that, but be careful about relying on soundbites or hearsay. At the very beginning, before much was known, Dr. Brown cautioned people not to talk until all the facts came out. Cautioning people against gossip is wisdom and I don't see that as any sort of attempt to silence victims. In fact, I watch his show regularly and he vehemently denied that he ever told victims to remain silent. He was also very firm with the leaders of IHOPKC, telling them they needed to immediately get an outside investigation or they were going to lose all credibility within the body of Christ and show that they were not serious about standing up for the victims, should the allegations prove true. I've seen nothing but humility and grace from him (and that is one of the things he consistently demonstrates and why I appreciate his ministry so much). I think at the end of the day, people are very sensitive to this entire topic, so I can understand why some (especially those who may have been victims themselves at some point) would assume the worst or make wrong conclusions, but please...as leaders in this area...please try to be careful not to make rash statements or assume the worst.
How do you know he was given money? My understanding is that he's not using anyone's money. Let's not speculate things we don't know to be true. I know he's done some horrible things, but adding things that haven't been proven just isn't right. Let's choose to stay on the up and up bc that's really needed in the Body of Christ right now.
On my sidebar I see "Last Great Move Of God". Doesn't every great move of God bring something in that the church had not been much walking in? If so, what are we going to be moving into, that is something we haven't much been walking in? There are 2 things that come to my mind that I want to see in churches. One is tongues, interpretation and prophecy where the one who speaks in tongues gives the interpretation and where these things are included in nearly every meeting by invitation by perhaps 2 or 3. God gave us these things and commanded that we do them, didn't he? Another thing is pleading the cause of the oppressed, reconciliation ministry, something everyone should learn how to do, and this should naturally move outside of the church buildings into society and restore cities for God.
I don't understand how Chris Reed's wife is enabling him by the way she is talking and acting??? She is acting as though nothing at all has happened all her posts are saying that in one way or another! He must be more of a skilled manipulator that we even have realized!!!
I'm 18:42 in and Robert Morris comes up. What if there really was nothing after that 20 year old event? That's different than nothing that we know of, but what if there really was nothing that ever followed that event? That's 20 years of ministry. What was he during all those 20 years of ministry? Still the same as he was 20 years ago? If so, what are we saying? Are we saying that there is no restoration? What would we be saying? What's more important to me is the church environment. Is it an environment that might provide a means for some abuses to remain hidden and be carried on behind closed doors or not? I believe that in the right church environment, nothing like that could remain hidden. It just would not, or at least it would be very unusual if it were.
That we put protecting minors and vulnerable people ahead of the needs of narcissists to be put into positions of power and demanding money off other Christians. In the UK they would be banned for life by law.
So you want 100K for "victim" lawsuit. Blaise or Christina, how much money would you like each "victim to get? Trusting (God) is in process and will take care of it. Peace,
"There's been other women .. that one woman reached out to me over the years .." saying that Chris was messaging them. First, you are hearing this second hand. You have never talked first hand to the supposed women. If you are to accuse or even suggest that Chris has had a pattern of this type of behavior, you better have some proof. Otherwise it's just gossip. And that type of gossip behavior is immoral. Secondly, why is it your business whether Chris got money to start a church? Answer: It's none of your business, so why bring it up. I did appreciate your interview with Catherine.
I’ve been working in life insurance full time for 8 years. Most people quit life insurance sales after 3 months. Because it’s a hard job. But sure I’ll go get a job at Home Depot if that would make you happy.
If you touch a child you should be IN JAIL
Christina is awesome! I love how she says “get out of here with that!” Amen!
Who in the world would go to his church? Reed and Joyner were so childish throwing shade at each other after Reed resigned. With everything that has come out about what's been going on at Morningstar, neither one of them should continue in ministry.
Shame on you and who are you to decide what people should do. What are you doing for God?
People and their flesh run after their prophetic gifts. The Lord looks at the heart.
@@Simbaress247 Anyone can be a Star ⭐ and even make 💰 money on RUclips especially if you are reasonably good looking. Screw Morningstar-Ihop, even though these ministries bless the majority of people.
Someone called it the Accuser of the brethren. Necessary for the end time, unfortunately. Peace.
It's biblical. They are disqualified. Look up requirements for elders and deacons. @@Simbaress247
@Simthe Word of God, and laws of America baress247
I really appreciate you talking about this, I am part of Tikkun and spoke with Ron for a couple hours, just to clarify Tikkun is not overseeing Firefly just stepping in the void as a legal ministry entity is required to contract Firefly as independent investigators. They do not have ANY say in the outcome of this truly independent investigation.
Thank you for this clarification! I've pinned your comment here for folks to see. Thank you again!
You guys have seen the interview on John Bastian’s channel with Leah right? At least 35 women abused in Morningstar school between 2008-2011 courtesy of the two school leaders
We were visiting family in Florida this weekend and visited Alan's church down there. He is the real deal and his message was on Jesus flippin' tables...so relevant! Thanks for helping flip tables! :-) The church needs this!!
I thought Allen said he was taking time off from being a pastor
Don't worry about Chris Reed - he is digging his own hole deeper with every word he speaks. Every video he releases confirms why the Lord exposed him. Continue to unmask these wolves. I hope Morning Star University students send in their formal reports and ensure every leader is investigated thoroughly. It is time for accountability.
@@cazpk6840 I agree. I tried to listen to his videos a couple times. He comes across as incredibly immature. Not trying to insult him but I’m amazed that people are willing to follow this man.
Pray for his spouse Missy and their children
I find it so bizarre, how people and pastors are responding to these things. (Not all of them of course) When I asked my (former)pastor if she’s heard about Robert Morris (whose sermons she loves to show at church), she condescendingly chastised me, saying we should be able to forgive him and move on. (As if whether or not to forgive is even the issue there.🤦🏼♀️). Not a single hint of concern that he could be capable of predatory CSA toward a child. The response of pastors and other Christians toward these situations is so hurtful and shocking to me.
Aside from how dangerous her line of thinking this, I would be very careful with any woman who claims to be a lead pastor of any kind or who has been put in the position of one. It’s not biblical and creates messes whether immediately detected or not. God’s order is the only order that works.
So, have you left that church yet?
@ Yep- that came after several other red flags. :-(
@laraderksen4297 Oh, I just saw the word Former! I wouldn't have even commented if I'd paid attention 😊
No body mess with Christina! Girl you are great…
I completely agree with what you are doing.
I know that our Heavenly Father has raised you both up together for such a time as this.
I am so encouraged to hear and observe how you two are standing together as obedient followers and servants of our Precious Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ on behalf of his vulnerable lambs.
It is incomprehensible how these narcissistic wolves seek out their victims, stalk them, rip them apart, then band together to cover their tracks.
It is pathetically hilarious to observe how these wolves have convinced themselves and others that they are entitled to victimize and abuse individual people in an attempt to satisfy their selfish, sinful messed up lives.
It is frightening to witness how unrepentant these wolves are.
Continue to stand, and no matter what is hurled your way, keep standing.
I know that our Lord Jesus Christ is honored when we stand for His precious lambs.
Very well said
I so enjoy you channel and benefit a lot from it and your laid back style- between 1991 and 1993, I was part of Grace Training Centre and Metro Vineyard at KC when Mike was Senior Pastor- I’m so grateful for you sticking with this conversation and interviewing different people. Thanks for your honesty and commitment as you walk your own healing journey. Thanks so much for
Only $36K raised? Sam Storms, Francis Chan, Eric Metaxas, Kris Valloton, Bill Johnson, and Michael Brown could easily fund this by themselves. Kris could sell his corvette. IMO, they have been exposed, along with Mike Bickle, for the grifters they truly are.
Have you watched any of the videos from
Leaving the message? It's a RUclips and podcast expose of pentecostal evangelicals that are proven false since 1890's
Eric Volz absolutely has the ability to fund this entire investigation if not a large portion!
Christina, you're awesome 😂 Love your boldness, girl!
Yes, Christina, put them on blast!! Thanks again for another great podcast! Blessings!!
Christina is awesome. Thank you guys for keeping us updated and staying so legit on this topic for an entire year. 🎉🎉
The Lord is cleaning out His "shepherds".... Those getting Press and other's who don't get Press in rural areas.
It’s not God’s job to clean house… It’s your job if it’s your church
@eveelsbury8341 read scripture.
@@Kathy-y7e I did read scripture. The scripture says: Go into all the world, heal the sick and caste out devils. He told the disciples this and we are likewise his disciples. Jesus no longer castes out devils to clean up the church. He left that job to his people to be accomplished when they receive the power of his Holy Spirit. He has given you the power of attorney to act in his name. Most willl leave it in the hands of god…. And the bad stuff continues. The church will be begging for God to do something. Truth is, He already has done something. . Jesus rose
From the dead and the things he did on earth he said would be done in a greater capacity by you after his departure.
@@eveelsbury8341true, but if not God reveals all
It helps me. I lost my faith for 15 years after this kind of ministry. After I did I felt I was freed from a cult. Now I know I was.
Im basic Christian now. Nothing fancy! 😃
Let God be the judge now. Please
I feel worried anout my friend who has spent 25 years following IHOP. She still believes it is good. 😮 She's the most lovely Christian & friend.
Most men who struggle with sexual sin need a polygraph test in order for everything to come out for their wives. It’s common practice in sexual addiction to require this of a spouse due to the level of lies & manipulation. I sure hope Diane Bickle has the support she needs to uncover the full truth of her husband’s secret life.
Go Jennifer!! Listening to you talk at double speed really emphasized your passion. 😂.
Mike's, Robert M, Chris, etc. admitted & "apologized" just enough to jump thru some hoops and maybe get off the hook. But like Jennifer said. "This is only the tip of the iceberg."
Loving the passion from Christina on this episode!
I'd like to hear of investigation for not just IHOP, but also Morningstar, Joyner, and Reed. YWAM has also come under scrutiny. Others, too.
I use to think you just could not move on from the past. But the longer this has been taking thank you for not letting this go you keept reminding people.
I love the tangent about getting a job and getting out of ministry. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 but also, insurance sales is a grind. I’ve been a financial advisor assistant for five years and they never stop.
Get it Christina 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yassss! Thank You, Lord!! Justice for the victims!!
Worldly sorrow is different than Godly sorrow. Godly sorrow will cause a sinner to divulge everything and then they can truly repent. Worldly sorrow is when someone is caught and then admits what they were caught for. That leads to death. Recognize the difference in these pastors. They are not experiencing Godly sorrow. 2 Corinthians 7:10
Great work guys. Love your content.
I appreciate you guys talk about the topic of spiritual abuse. ❤
I believe we can take zero credit for anything we do "for God" but amazingly God still uses us and surprisingly still accomplishes His will through us often
(not just despite us)
Love your work! Thanks!
Keep up the good work guys👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
As the saying goes: “it’s easier to ask for FORGIVENESS … than it is to ask for PERMISSION” ….
Volz is honest? That's laughable.
So good.Lady is on point.
Thanks all!
I gotta say, when internet was new, IHOP has a 24/7 music and is listened to it a few times while sleeping. I woke up feeling a dark spirit, so I never liked IHOp
Personally ide leave Chris alone
"Don't mess with me!" I love Christina! We tried to be kind to Chris in hopes he will learn and do differently, but he has obviously refused to learn. He is as toxic as his fathers... Keep your daughters, sisters, and your mothers away from that church!!
I think Eric Volz was covering up the abuse, defending the abuser, and does not really care about justice!!
Love what you guys do and the humor is needed during these times…Creed lol🤣
It feels like it’s been longer than a year! 🤯
Chris Reed sounds like he’s had his tongue pierced on his recent video. Very tongue tied. 😳🙁 and what’s up with shaving his face. Everything about him is very disturbing.
I appreciate your youtube channel. I think it takes alot of courage to openly talk about the behavior of these church "leaders". James 3:1 Not many of you should be teachers knowing you will receive a greater judgment.
I think these self appointed leaders forget they also are sheep. Not above others but completely equal. Hopefully people will become closer to our Lord Jesus the Great Shepard of us all and stop looking up to other people. May God bless you both🙏
Mike Bickle had such a good reputation even at our church whom he visited every once in awhile! So for all these preachers to support Mike, Eric Metaxas just believed them! I do not believe he meant to make such a big mistake! He has been a great speaker for saving our republic and bringing out a lot of history that many people and young people don’t know! Because the schools have stopped teaching history 10 years ago! And even that history was not enough because they left out a lot over the last 30 years! I don’t fault him because he was fooled by this so-called reliable preachers!
Where God guides, He provides. ALWAYS and in all ways.
Minute 6-8 You go girl!
✅ very good conversation
“Can you take me higher” 🎶
You guys are cracking me up this episode. 😂
Blaise, lol relax on the mic fidgeting…always appreciate both your takes on this subject 🫶🏾
Its amazing how many claiming to be in full time ministry, won't work.
Consider that leader implosions are caused by wrong doctrine. When will bloggers discover the wrong doctrines taught?
Enlighten us
@@cynthiahamlin8059 i’m just jumping in here, but financial support of the big “I” country, would be not only be based on a false premise, but treason… Who would give money to a “de facto” state and call it God?
@@cynthiahamlin8059 Read the breakthrough, masterpiece novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke" It is a Divine Comedy and Tale of the Christ. Seek and find. Enjoy!
I am going to write the presidents of the Christian and missionary alliance of Canada and the USA. We were both taken advantage of Ravi Zacharias. He played the game and we couldn’t do our jobs to stop him earlier. Because he was smart and went around the church structure! Otherwise he would have been outed decades earlier! Because we tried but had victims sign ndas and then when interviewed by elders they said nothing! So we knew nothing! Or we knew something but couldn’t get proof as elders. UGH!! And just pull credentials was what we could do.
🔥from Christina
Ur wife is awsome!!!
I agree!!!
So, what is the answer for all of this? What can be put in place to avoid all of this so it doesn't happen, or would happen much less in the future, or would be exposed much sooner so there would be fewer victims?
What if a pastor was told that if he takes a position in this church, that they want him to tell the congregation that anyone can come to him about anything that is the cause of some harm, and if they don't feel safe doing that, they can take someone with them, and the focus of all of this will be to plead the cause of anyone oppressed by any kind of evil, and once something is found out to be evil and is the cause of harm or distress, then the plea will be made for mercy, that mercy be extended to the oppressed party by the offender.
What kind of pastor wouldn't say "This is what I have wanted all my life. This is the work we should be doing. I was hoping we could do this and that we all can learn how to be effective in the ministry of reconciliation."?
Or should we all feel better if a potential pastor would say, "Well, now, the scripture plainly teaches that nobody should come forward with any kind of accusation, unless 2 or 3 actually saw or knew for sure of an event of evil, you know, actual eyewitnesses, and nobody will be coming for me, unless we have all of that." ?
Which church would you feel safer in? Or which church would prefer to be a part of?
If judgment is to begin in the house of God, let's get on with it, I say. And from there, it could go out into the world. I think of how valuable Job was to his city. (see Job 29) I also think of Jer 22.
There is a spirit of Amnon that’s not mention in the church. He raped his sister Tamar and discarded her like trash. It happened in David’s family. So this spirit of manipulation, lust that leads to shame, trauma, death, chaos and war with in family of God is very much present now.
The Lord showed me the same thing!!!
are yall gonna tackle the David Platt stuff as well?
You guys should jump in the David Platt documentary
Yeah we need to watch that!
Why do y'all being up Dr. Michael Brown every time? Theres no context for it to viewers and causes confusion.
Ruh roh Chris got the mommy voice ❣️ @7:37
Then watch his body language @8:10 🤣 that’s MY woman 💗
Does IHOPKC have liability insurance? Cause once this investigation is over there is/should be a civil lawsuit. I can’t imagine they will have a liability issuance to cover the lawsuit. Also once there is a settlement I can’t imagine any insurance company covering their liability insurance afterwards. IHOPKC will shutdown cause of the lawsuit probably. The Truman property will probably have to be liquidated to cover the lawsuit cost.
I can't view the video--was it taken down?
Well said Christina re RUclips advertising and Reed's BS! "Dont mess with me" 😂
Is there an email where you can be contacted?
Very few can steward the righteous indignation of a Holy God until the purpose of it is complete. Stay in the fire. Much is at stake. They have been seduced by gold glory and girls, to their everlasting shame if not repented of . They want huge followings , much now is required of them to stop the collateral damage. I can tell your hearts are broken, not just for the victims but for the church and for Jesus . He has broken your hearts with the things that break His . Your mission ,should you decide too accept it, 😜 is not for the faint of heart. He is coming for a spotless Bride .💔
FYI, Blaise is very loud and Christina is hard to hear in this podcast
I think the work you guys are doing is very important in light of the failure of the church at large to condemn and expose, but please try to remember that sometimes you may not have a full picture of everything. Specifically, I take issue with your comments about Dr. Michael Brown. I realize you can't possibly keep up with everything and I don't blame you for that, but be careful about relying on soundbites or hearsay.
At the very beginning, before much was known, Dr. Brown cautioned people not to talk until all the facts came out. Cautioning people against gossip is wisdom and I don't see that as any sort of attempt to silence victims. In fact, I watch his show regularly and he vehemently denied that he ever told victims to remain silent. He was also very firm with the leaders of IHOPKC, telling them they needed to immediately get an outside investigation or they were going to lose all credibility within the body of Christ and show that they were not serious about standing up for the victims, should the allegations prove true. I've seen nothing but humility and grace from him (and that is one of the things he consistently demonstrates and why I appreciate his ministry so much).
I think at the end of the day, people are very sensitive to this entire topic, so I can understand why some (especially those who may have been victims themselves at some point) would assume the worst or make wrong conclusions, but please...as leaders in this area...please try to be careful not to make rash statements or assume the worst.
How do you know he was given money? My understanding is that he's not using anyone's money. Let's not speculate things we don't know to be true. I know he's done some horrible things, but adding things that haven't been proven just isn't right. Let's choose to stay on the up and up bc that's really needed in the Body of Christ right now.
Blaise, I keep hearing of you talk of your time at Teen Mania Ministries ✝️❤️
What department did you serve/work in?
On my sidebar I see "Last Great Move Of God". Doesn't every great move of God bring something in that the church had not been much walking in? If so, what are we going to be moving into, that is something we haven't much been walking in?
There are 2 things that come to my mind that I want to see in churches. One is tongues, interpretation and prophecy where the one who speaks in tongues gives the interpretation and where these things are included in nearly every meeting by invitation by perhaps 2 or 3. God gave us these things and commanded that we do them, didn't he?
Another thing is pleading the cause of the oppressed, reconciliation ministry, something everyone should learn how to do, and this should naturally move outside of the church buildings into society and restore cities for God.
Why isn’t law enforcement brought in? Isn’t this abuse of a minor against the law?
The statute of limitations has passed.
Oops.
No I loved it hahaha :)
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Ah, I didn't realize that Lee Cummings was Tammy Woods' pastor. No wonder everybody seems happy to overlook his church abuse.
Which is what specifically? I attend a church under his umbrella leadership and would like to know if you're able to share. Thanks.
Where's the General?
"I didn't inhale....."
With arms wide open lol 😂
I don't understand how Chris Reed's wife is enabling him by the way she is talking and acting??? She is acting as though nothing at all has happened all her posts are saying that in one way or another! He must be more of a skilled manipulator that we even have realized!!!
I'm 18:42 in and Robert Morris comes up. What if there really was nothing after that 20 year old event? That's different than nothing that we know of, but what if there really was nothing that ever followed that event? That's 20 years of ministry. What was he during all those 20 years of ministry? Still the same as he was 20 years ago? If so, what are we saying? Are we saying that there is no restoration? What would we be saying?
What's more important to me is the church environment. Is it an environment that might provide a means for some abuses to remain hidden and be carried on behind closed doors or not? I believe that in the right church environment, nothing like that could remain hidden. It just would not, or at least it would be very unusual if it were.
That we put protecting minors and vulnerable people ahead of the needs of narcissists to be put into positions of power and demanding money off other Christians. In the UK they would be banned for life by law.
There is no humility or accountability. It is evident and is perceptible.
Hmmm cover ups where the covering doctrine is taught… cover.
It's all about $$$$
Check out that Blaise haircut! 😊
So you want 100K for "victim" lawsuit. Blaise or Christina, how much money would you like each "victim to get?
Trusting (God) is in process and will take care of it. Peace,
I love Eric Metaxas. I’m sorry to hear about his reaction to the abuse.
C-reed bah!😂
"There's been other women .. that one woman reached out to me over the years .." saying that Chris was messaging them.
First, you are hearing this second hand. You have never talked first hand to the supposed women. If you are to accuse or even suggest that Chris has had a pattern of this type of behavior, you better have some proof. Otherwise it's just gossip. And that type of gossip behavior is immoral.
Secondly, why is it your business whether Chris got money to start a church? Answer: It's none of your business, so why bring it up.
I did appreciate your interview with Catherine.
I had a dream about Chris Reed last night. 😳
You two need real jobs.
I’ve been working in life insurance full time for 8 years.
Most people quit life insurance sales after 3 months. Because it’s a hard job.
But sure I’ll go get a job at Home Depot if that would make you happy.
I do like you two, but, instead of beating the dead horse, when are you two going to get back to Jesus and the Great Commission?