I wish we got a look at the cab they made for him. My only gripe or confusion with the new process was the impedance curve, no avoiding that whatsoever clearly and I totally got why this was done but some of the shape and build of those cabs had a “signature “ curve to it. I was really torn about this process , felt it as a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation but I’m all for moving forward with new things, gonna have to try it out and see. Great demo as always friend
Hmm.. well the IRs do sound great, but I think the claim is a bit out of touch. They've made a cab with a certain characteristic and shot IRs with it. Educate me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of cabs tells me there is no such thing as a cab with no coloration on the speaker's tone - no matter what you do. A speaker by itself sounds different to a speaker on a baffle, sounds different to a speaker in a box, sounds different to a speaker in a closed box, sounds different to a speaker in a differently sized or shaped box, sounds different to a speaker in a box filled with damping material... Jim Lill's video on cabs is a great example of all of that.
Hmm yes, everything you said is indeed true. If I understand it correctly, the thing they did is ''controlling'' these parameters (material, size, shape, etc) to create a cabinet with a particular purpose, which is to fill/tame the mid-frequency gaps that usually result with these classic speakers loaded in regular/uncontrolled cabinets. As Mikko shows with the graph, no matter the actual cab and mics he uses, there's always this unbalanced mid issue, respective to combo designs or solo cabinets. It just make sense that if classic cabs have never been designed with the goal of sounding their best when micced up, that they would most likely require some work in post. Some guitarists/recording engineers just accepted it the way it was (and those mixes didn't sound that good), and some always did the work to balance the tones. Personnally, I was mixing different sounding IRs in order to create a new one that is balanced (never cared that much about authenticity). Now, we still get the classic character of those speakers, without the added work of EQing in post to fix the mids. Doesn't mean you won't have to EQ at all in the mix.. but at least not to balance the initial tone. I think it's a really clever approach and it definitely delivers.. but it doesn't mean they will end up sounding better than regular good IRs with some work. Only time/experience with these new IRs will tell! What I don't quite understand though, is why Mikko is showing us the frequency spectrum of the IRs themselves (that's what MIKKO2 does), instead of the frequency spectrum after the IR as colored the amp tone. For instance, when I look at the spectrum of the Mega 4x12 Oversized IRs in MIKKO2 (Free), I can see the mid gaps... but If i put a Spectrum Meter below MIKKO2, the result is pretty balanced, and I don't see those mid gaps. Same when I use GGD Cali Oversized.. I don't know about the frequency spectrum of these IRs alone, but the result on the amps is SUPER balanced.. that's why I have very little/no work at all to do in post to get amazing results. Sometimes, I still see a slight gap in the mids, but not all the time. So my guess is that the initial ''issue'' isn't always a problem. Still curious to try them though! If only we could get a free IR to test first..
@@davidmultimedia2024 It will always be 100% subjective. Some would argue that the natural dip in the mids in some cabinets is a desirable trait, as it helps lessen that "woody" aspect that some people don't like for metal guitar. It most likely depends on genre and taste.
it's complicated to say if it's really good or just another cab, cause we don't have a way to compare them. Every cab sounds diferent, it's just how it is. So even with normal IR we can't really compare. Maybe for 10 usd I would give it a try. Here in Brazil 20 Euros is expensive.
Honestly didn't like the tone much. Indeed sound flat, but lifeless would be a more accurate characteristic. ML are my favorite IRs BTW, use other packs all the time
Doesn't it do the same thing with a tape or saturation plugin just after the IR? It adds harmonics and with Saturn 2 it has dynamics as well!!! I experimented with it just last night and I got to say I think that is all they are doing all these companies trying to make better IR's! Just ad a bit of saturation with even or odd harmonics alongside some dynamics letting the tone breath!?
Hey Jon! I see you got around to the new IRs from ML Soundlab. Im usually a vintage 30 guy, but i really liked the Mick 77. Honestly they all sounded great to my ears. Also great demo song as always!
Djent sounds great for downtuned flogging, green sounds perfect for everything else. Not a fan of the Mick77 for anything really, it has a gnarly sizzle on the top end I don't dig. V30 & Green mix using 57 & 121 mics - this is The Way.
Sounds good to me! This specific thing with having speakers in a cab that doesn't affect their characteristic wasn't already in Bogren's heaviest cab in the world pack?
Really nice sounds. Have you tryed to blend in two different speakers, the Green and the Djent 30? Or one on the right side and the other on the left? The Green really cuts through the mix. I think there is a lot to experiment and to discover. I think these are perfect tools for recordings.
Would be nice to see how much different they sound compared to other widely used IRS that are close to the same,with all due respect, I dont really care about how the different RX IRs sound from each other, because I have never tried one to begin with.
Cool, kinda like the Rockbox and York concepts of a custom cab. These do sound more "real" from ML, less processed. I can dig it. Hoping for some oddball packs next. Get the classics out the way, then bust out some Eminence (Lengend or p50E) and one-off speaker brands, that would be rockin'!
@@SonicDriveStudio oh by the way John - you made me buy an Amperium live and it seems like i snatched the last one in their shelves so i wanted to say thank you cause i LOVE that thing!
Any thoughts? Do they offer something new and unique?
I wish we got a look at the cab they made for him. My only gripe or confusion with the new process was the impedance curve, no avoiding that whatsoever clearly and I totally got why this was done but some of the shape and build of those cabs had a “signature “ curve to it. I was really torn about this process , felt it as a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation but I’m all for moving forward with new things, gonna have to try it out and see. Great demo as always friend
Hmm.. well the IRs do sound great, but I think the claim is a bit out of touch. They've made a cab with a certain characteristic and shot IRs with it.
Educate me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of cabs tells me there is no such thing as a cab with no coloration on the speaker's tone - no matter what you do.
A speaker by itself sounds different to a speaker on a baffle, sounds different to a speaker in a box, sounds different to a speaker in a closed box, sounds different to a speaker in a differently sized or shaped box, sounds different to a speaker in a box filled with damping material... Jim Lill's video on cabs is a great example of all of that.
Hmm yes, everything you said is indeed true. If I understand it correctly, the thing they did is ''controlling'' these parameters (material, size, shape, etc) to create a cabinet with a particular purpose, which is to fill/tame the mid-frequency gaps that usually result with these classic speakers loaded in regular/uncontrolled cabinets. As Mikko shows with the graph, no matter the actual cab and mics he uses, there's always this unbalanced mid issue, respective to combo designs or solo cabinets. It just make sense that if classic cabs have never been designed with the goal of sounding their best when micced up, that they would most likely require some work in post. Some guitarists/recording engineers just accepted it the way it was (and those mixes didn't sound that good), and some always did the work to balance the tones. Personnally, I was mixing different sounding IRs in order to create a new one that is balanced (never cared that much about authenticity). Now, we still get the classic character of those speakers, without the added work of EQing in post to fix the mids. Doesn't mean you won't have to EQ at all in the mix.. but at least not to balance the initial tone. I think it's a really clever approach and it definitely delivers.. but it doesn't mean they will end up sounding better than regular good IRs with some work. Only time/experience with these new IRs will tell!
What I don't quite understand though, is why Mikko is showing us the frequency spectrum of the IRs themselves (that's what MIKKO2 does), instead of the frequency spectrum after the IR as colored the amp tone. For instance, when I look at the spectrum of the Mega 4x12 Oversized IRs in MIKKO2 (Free), I can see the mid gaps... but If i put a Spectrum Meter below MIKKO2, the result is pretty balanced, and I don't see those mid gaps. Same when I use GGD Cali Oversized.. I don't know about the frequency spectrum of these IRs alone, but the result on the amps is SUPER balanced.. that's why I have very little/no work at all to do in post to get amazing results. Sometimes, I still see a slight gap in the mids, but not all the time. So my guess is that the initial ''issue'' isn't always a problem. Still curious to try them though! If only we could get a free IR to test first..
@@davidmultimedia2024 It will always be 100% subjective. Some would argue that the natural dip in the mids in some cabinets is a desirable trait, as it helps lessen that "woody" aspect that some people don't like for metal guitar. It most likely depends on genre and taste.
Those sound great! The Greenback is definitely my favourite from this video.
While I've always found the older ML IRs to be pretty lifeless, these sound cool. Really direct. Would be good to use on solos.
Amazing demo, Jon, once again. Those riffs are crushing! 🤘
Children dream of going to Disneyland I would give a kidney to visit Jon in his studio. 😂
I really like the air and presence on the green back, helps give it more separation in your mix.
Nice IRs...great concept. Those killer riffs sure make them sound good...who needs a box anyways :)
it's complicated to say if it's really good or just another cab, cause we don't have a way to compare them. Every cab sounds diferent, it's just how it is. So even with normal IR we can't really compare. Maybe for 10 usd I would give it a try. Here in Brazil 20 Euros is expensive.
Honestly didn't like the tone much. Indeed sound flat, but lifeless would be a more accurate characteristic. ML are my favorite IRs BTW, use other packs all the time
Doesn't it do the same thing with a tape or saturation plugin just after the IR? It adds harmonics and with Saturn 2 it has dynamics as well!!! I experimented with it just last night and I got to say I think that is all they are doing all these companies trying to make better IR's! Just ad a bit of saturation with even or odd harmonics alongside some dynamics letting the tone breath!?
Thank you so much @SonicDriveStudio for an amazing run-through of these IRs! Jon you da man! 🤩
Cheers! :)
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Paired with the VH2, that really is tone perfection!!
Doesn’t Bogrens heaviest cab do same thing?
Hey Jon! I see you got around to the new IRs from ML Soundlab.
Im usually a vintage 30 guy, but i really liked the Mick 77. Honestly they all sounded great to my ears.
Also great demo song as always!
Hey there - I specifically chose three of the best modern speakers from my collection! Even the Greenback can pull off some angry metal tones. 😍
@mlsoundlab you guys absolutely killed it! Great job as always! 😁
nice. impressed by the 5555 amp. Sounds very realistic for a plugin.
Thank you so much! Ever since I got the real Block Letter I knew I wanted to make a plugin that sounds exactly like the real deal. 🤪
i love that RX GREEN !!!!
Sounds great! What is that QUE BEC pedal on the shelf above your head? I'm from Québec, Canada ;)
Guptec pedal. Presence and resonance eq
The intro demo with the Diezel Vh2 sounded killer!
Djent sounds great for downtuned flogging, green sounds perfect for everything else. Not a fan of the Mick77 for anything really, it has a gnarly sizzle on the top end I don't dig. V30 & Green mix using 57 & 121 mics - this is The Way.
Sounds good to me! This specific thing with having speakers in a cab that doesn't affect their characteristic wasn't already in Bogren's heaviest cab in the world pack?
Really nice sounds. Have you tryed to blend in two different speakers, the Green and the Djent 30? Or one on the right side and the other on the left?
The Green really cuts through the mix. I think there is a lot to experiment and to discover. I think these are perfect tools for recordings.
Would be nice to see how much different they sound compared to other widely used IRS that are close to the same,with all due respect, I dont really care about how the different RX IRs sound from each other, because I have never tried one to begin with.
You usually makes everything sounds really good, but all tones here sound so bland and sterile. I'm not blaming you, I would not buy those IRs.
Own Hammaer and ML Soundlab are the best IR's on the market, without a doubt
I guess this is another DV77 pack I'll have to add to my collection
It really shines in this cab - I specifically wanted it to be the first pack out. 🤗
Did he make the cab or are we talking about a Marshall made with mdf?
You're always dependable on sick tones and sick riffs!
Already tried them out on the FM3 and they sound amazing!
How do they sound w/ quad cortex ?
now we're talking. will try this
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Preferred the green back.
Great riffs, man..
like always killer demo
🔥
Cool, kinda like the Rockbox and York concepts of a custom cab. These do sound more "real" from ML, less processed. I can dig it.
Hoping for some oddball packs next. Get the classics out the way, then bust out some Eminence (Lengend or p50E) and one-off speaker brands, that would be rockin'!
Although the concept of those packs is somewhat similar, the cab(s) are not the same. They all aim to have different results and I like them all :)
@@SonicDriveStudio True :)
real stuff sounds better than digital
That's not what this is about at all...
Lol what a tool
Lol tell me you know nothing about music production without telling me…
Wrong topic mate.
Did you type this on your typewriter? Technology is the future.
But...do you have enough gear? 😅
Neveerrrrrrrr! 😅
there's no such thing as "enough gear" 😅
This guy knows what's up!
@@SonicDriveStudio oh by the way John - you made me buy an Amperium live and it seems like i snatched the last one in their shelves so i wanted to say thank you cause i LOVE that thing!