I honestly don’t think J.Cooe stepping out of the beef was that bad. He came out with something sub-par, owned up to his mistakes, and let Drake and Kendrick duke out a battle that didn’t need him in it. Smart move imo.
I kinda think people aren't harsh ENOUGH on him. He put himself in a situation that wasn't about him, and from there, sure, he probably made the best decision with tapping out. But to even release it in the first place is a huge L for him imo.
@@Kappap32 yes the like that verse was more aimed at drake but there were subliminals towards cole so i think it's unfair to say that it wasn't about him when there's the argument to be made that he sparked it with the mention of "the big 3" in first person shooter or on heaven's EP when he says "they threw the bronze at me, behind drake and dot"
And if you think about it, he was being true to his message. If something doesn't sit right with you, drop it, no matter how much the masses pressure you.
Hot take: Neither pac nor biggie deserve to be number 1 of all time at this point. They are still legends but I feel many have surpassed their catalogues at this point.
The big 3 are the big 3 for a reason and I respect them all. But Q wipes them all for me 🤷🏽♂️ (as in solely for my personal taste I'm not saying he's better in general)
@@SHAQ977I personally prefer him over J.cole and drake.I feel like schoolboy Q is incredibly raw compared to drake and cole and he is equal with kendrick(Kendrick is better tho)
@@chaoticdudemakesbeatsin terms of quality of music, writing and rapping I personally don't think he's quite as good as any of the 3 of them. I think he's in literally the next category below. I just prefer him on a personal level tbh
@@fogo1319crack music is one of the best Tracks and addiction is pretty decent.The addiction beat is amazing and the lyrics Are ok while crack music has an amazing beat and amazing verses
Kendrick lamar dropped: Section 80., untitled unmastered, good kid mA.A.d city, to pimp a butterfly and damn in the same decade and is competing with 21 savage for 2020’s decade
The Collage Dropout is a perfect album. New work out plan is an amazing song, u just have to look at it as it was meant to be looked at. Its a funny, comedic song, u wont find top tier lyricism there, but u arent supposed to. The beat is fire and the concept is hilarious
Ant is speaking facts on the J.Cole part. It was really just the beef bruh. I remember people going to their graves to ensure J.Cole had his goat status in arguments, now this whole bandwagon of people who just now tapped in started this narritive. That and I can't even respect their arguments, they be saying people like Carti, Future and Travis. 💀 There is a bar for being in the Big 3 and it doesn't just include success and catchyness.
There were also sooooo many people insisting that J Cole is excellent, but just-below-the-best excellent. amongst saner heads, Dot and Drake have always been on one level and Cole just below. As much as the boys try and insist, Cole doesn’t have a consensus classic.
@@CH-bo2yqI don't know about that one. Pretty sure a lot of people would argue the other way around with Drake being the lesser of the three. In terms of substance, rapping ability, and impact Drake lacks severely. Also, 2014 Forest Hill Drives? The Off-Season?
Or Travis Scott Imo birds is better than almost every cole album(except for 2014, 4yeo, and the off season) Utopia and rodeo are better than all 3 Astroworld is about as good as 2014FHD
@@cancerouscorndog6425 utopia is not better than any albums you named there from Cole. Only ones you could argue are Rodeo, Astro and 2014 fhd for 1-3 imo.
@@ClydeCyrus I find it funny how when people argue why Michael Jackson or Beatles are the greatest, they always bring sales into it but when it's Drake? "Sales don't matter"
2:40 cole made grippy wich automaticlay puts him above kendrik and drake. its the best song of all time. The big 3 in reality is the big 2 (cash cobain and j cole)
I really love your podcast My hottest take(or prediction)is: After releasing The Fall Off j.cole should be considered a top 10 of all time(yes i do belive it will be his greatest album just because he has experimented different sounds and concepts and different styles he now knows how he can create a beautifully written conseptual masterpiece)
Tyler's influence on not just the hip-hop space, but other artists as well, is near unmatched. Even with his sub par albums (Goblin & Cherry Bomb), they still had some of his best tracks to date and weren't afraid to push creative boundaries, I'd def have him on a Mt Rushmore.
@manhamnight okay then in that case why even bother discuss the top three if it’s objectively provable which has better numbers? numbers ruins artistic discussion
@manhamnight you know what i meant bruh, point is nfr puts way too much emphasis on popularity for the reason why cole should be in the “big three” when there’s so many more deserving rappers
@@thomo2127 there are many rappers sounding like Kendrick especially in West Coast. He's the first rapper to use West Coast vibes for his unique poetic lyricism with GKMC, and TPAB introduced a more philosophical way of storytelling. But Drake is the most influential in the big 3
I think the perfect and 10/10 argument can be divided between classic and perfect A classic album can’t have a song or two that misses or doesn’t change well but it doesn’t change how amazing the album is and what it does with impact and etc. but when we talk 10/10 or perfect, when curry shoots 7/9 that’s not perfect when he shoots 9/9 that’s perfect
We needed moments is Like doomsday from juice Wrld, I think making an album full of tracks like that would be super cool, cause it showed how much better of a rapper he is than people think.
@@Freddie-ej6ou one hundred percent all my friends just tell me “I still see your shadows in my room” like shut up he ain’t depressing that was only one album , with a few sad tracks put through other Albums, the rest were about love, anxiety, and drug addiction.
I think that Kanyes highest rated solo project is a 3 way tie between Grad, TCD, and Yeezus at a 94. I think that LR is an 89/100, but still incredible. KSG is perfect though.
Late Registration is a Perfect Album, saying Gold Digger aged badly when to this day is one of Kanye's most streamed songs 20 years later is just objectively a bad take, you're just ignoring the impact of the song because you don't like it.
@@Prodbyjah464 How else alse you supposed to, Gold Digger came out in 2006 before the streaming era and has accumulated 1Bil streams, is that not a sign of longevity, and how well it has aged?
@@Ilikerapalil Well that's your opinion and it might be valid to you, but if you are taking a broader view neither the critics, numbers or popular consensus would back that claim
Kanye’s entire discography, personality, and decisions are an entire work of art that we can’t quite grasp because it hasn’t been looked into from that lens.
The big 3 conversation is so stupid lol. Said “jcole doesn’t belong in the big 3 because he isn’t as influential” in what world does being the best rapper require you to be the most popular/influential one? I’d go as far to say if you are the most popular in any music category you’re probably not the best, just the most digestible.
Does being the best rapper make you a big rapper? There are a lot of better rappers than drake, but u cant argue against him being one of the 3 biggest rn.
@@HowardSkub I was talking about how many artists are tryna use your sound, not popularity. Cole's influence is very less compared to Kendrick and Drake
I’ve never looked at The Big 3 convo as “the three best rappers” or “the three best catalogues”. More so just a mix of everything. Mainstream appeal, catalogue, lyricisms, hits, etc. Because personally I think if we are basing the Big 3 of the 2010s simply on catalogue and substance I’d argue NOBODY is in the same convo as Kendrick.
I think that the best rapper right now is yayu. He might not have the numbers but he has top tier lyricism, flow, cadences and use of his voice, hooks, features, production and he already has one of the most impressive discography’s (in my opinion)
My hot take: euphoria is slowly becoming one of the best Kendrick songs imo. I can't go one day without playing it. In a few years it'll be looked at as one of his best rapping performances
Idk if it makes sense but it reminds me of the Black Friday freestyle. Something about it being long a long verse where he changes cadence a lot and is going for it. Also not on an album and big moment
01:59 catalogue for catalogue of J. Cole VS who? Because I'll give you at least 5 current rappers that have better discographies than Cole and are more talented in general
i challenge ant to do a album by album comparison for the 2010s decade between J.Cole and Mac Miller and hear the arguments for cole over mac for the big three of the 2010s… should be interesting ;)
@@chaoticdudemakesbeats I feel like it depends on which album they've made like I'd easily consider exmilitary hip-hop but some of they're other albums go more into different genres
I’m not a drake fan nor a huge Cole fan but you can’t really rearrange the Big 3. The Big 3 of this era will always be Kendrick Cole and Drake regardless of how you feel about each artist.
I literally was arguing with my brother last night and he said that j. Cole "hot take" and I argued every single point you made. And I'm so glad somebody has a brain to put things in context cause recency bias from one beef is completely bias. If J. Cole drops a full project tomorrow people are gonna flock to it
Nah there’s a bit a revisionism on Cole here tbh. It wasn’t suddenly in April that people decided he wasn’t that good. That’s been a conversation for a long time. Whether he belongs in the big 3 or not (personally I would say no), the debate didn’t just start this year.
I think he more means that it’s became a lot more popular and people were making less intelligent arguments for why Cole isn’t big 3 since April this year. But there definitely were some discussions beforehand, but every rapper has people that think are slightly overrated
1: WTF 2: acceptable take 3: WTF 4: he’s definitely one of my least favorites. One of the worst ever? Idk 5: Disagree 6: love Wayne but agree 7: Definitely agree 8: he’d still be top 5-10 even that far down 9: you could say so 10: LH is the best female rapper OAT. Nicki is nowhere near her level
Imo Travis is the only rapper you could swap J Cole for, but because he came up mid 2010s he probably doesn't qualify for big 3, even though he's massive, has 2 2010s classics and a legendary catalogue
College dropout, twisted fantasy and Yeezus are all perfect albums to me. I love new workout plan. Saying the second half of Fantasy drops off is insane bro, while technically true, it goes from a perfect ++ first half to a just perfect second half. Yeezus, is a tight conceptual project, absolutely trailblazing a new sound, sounding immaculate, and no fat to trim. Dude gold digger is an amazing song, I thought it aged amazing bro. Just a banger every time it comes on. It defined a pop era along with songs like stronger. Bro was running hip hop and pop at the same time don’t hate.
The Big 3 commercial rappers of our generation - 1. Kendrick Lamar 2. J Cole 3. Drake The best 3 rappers of our generation - 1. Kendrick Lamar 2. Freddie Gibbs 3. Billy woods
I've given Carti so many tries. Genuinely. I have literally 0 bias against him, I have no reason to hate him for anything other than his music. But no matter which of his albums/songs I listen to it, it's all just complete ass. I've never been able to listen to a single one of his songs from start to finish without turning it off
Old Tyler hate is unfounded. Even in his early years he had a huge impact on the game, on Supreme as a brand, founded his own rap group and didn't have a single album that was below average. He produced for famous artists, produced all of his own music and had a completely unique style that no one else had. Has obviously collabed with very notable legends even in the early days. The only reason that critics like to hate his early work is because of his subject matter. That's why he was never able to get as popular as he should have. So the only thing he lacked was popularity.
HIS MUSIC SOUNDS GOOD if you dont like it Thats fine But saying he is one of the worst rappers is crazy and i dont want to listen to crazy storytelling and quadruple entandras all the time.Carti makes great music and saying *HIs lYriCs aRe BaD* when his music has no focus on lyrics Thats just stupid
J. Cole is part of the big three, no one can replace Cole there, Kendrick better concept, Cole better lyrics, Drake better hit maker. Cole deserves more respect and love, people just hate him because they ignorant.
The college dropout and Ksg and late registration and YE are perfect. I don’t think Ye is 10/10 but there’s no skips on that album and it’s one of the most consistent listening experience on any project.
Kanye is slowly losing the number 1 spot as the greatest hip hop producer oat after the releases of Vultures 1 & 2. If Madlib drops Montana, Gunnlib, Black Thought x Madlib collab album and the Pusha T x Madlib collab album and they all deliver he will definitely take the number 1 spot as the greatest hip hop producer oat
I think that future’s influence, consistency and cultural significance out weighs what cole has done. Future helped boost Atlanta into arguably the top 3 cities in the world for rap. He created his own sound and when everyone copied it, he kept evolving his sound which helped him become one of the most developed artists in the genre. And in terms of the sheer amount of good songs in a catalogue, you’d be hard pressed to find a rapper that would beat future.
Lu's arguments for Tyler not being on mt rushmore of 2010s is the exact same reason i dont think j cole deserves to be there either. I feel like music and hip hop would sound the same if not for Cole, whereas some other people has had a HUGE musical impact on the 2010s. Also I feel like Tyler kinda laid out the blueprint for what was to come with soundcloud rap in that it was self-released, online fanbase, unpolished, at times heavily distorted and in general kind of punk vibe, which is never a point people talk about
Travis Scott is this generation’s Kanye. He has discovered don toliver, teezo touchdown, nav, and multiple rappers who are big today along with having top tier albums / mixtapes since owl pharaoh (aside from the quavo one which isn’t rlly his discography)
Had some subway cookies earlier today, So I go to the toilet knowing I’m gonna be there for a while with all the whipping and what not so I think to myself I could really go for an NFR video right now Sure enough 11 minutes ago brand new video Let’s goooo
HOT TAKES (explanation in the replies coming soon): 1. For All The Dogs is Drake's best since If You're Reading This It's Too Late 2. You guys should try reviewing other genres
Baby Keem (BK) working in Burger King (BK) is so hilarious😂
Imagine rolling up to Burger King at 1 am with your boys and baby keem comes on the speaker
2 potential nicknames:
-baby king
-burger keem
@@aidanmccarthy8278 " uhm you said 3 fries , 2 double whoppers and a coca cola ? or was it 2 fries and 3 double whoppers? could you repeat pls? "
2 PHONE BURGER KING🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣
@@Tasuliakas autotuned mic
Even if you don’t like Gold Digger or think it didn’t age well, to say it was “poorly written” is a terrible take.
Agreed it was a funny song it was not poorly written
Yeah Gold Digger is one of his best songs
There's only one thing wrong with Gold Digger and it's the way it got played into the ground, that's literally it unless you wanna nit pick
i always like gold digger more than a lot of others do, similar to humble by kdot i just think theyre fun bangers to play from time to time
New workout plan is goated. You just don’t see the vision
I agree. Get em high is way weaker than NWP
@@theaurawizardthat’s true
@@theaurawizard Common has the best feature on the album you're tripping
Nah the beat is awful
I honestly don’t think J.Cooe stepping out of the beef was that bad. He came out with something sub-par, owned up to his mistakes, and let Drake and Kendrick duke out a battle that didn’t need him in it. Smart move imo.
No definitely not, he saw the writing on the wall that instead of being about the music, it got much deeper and left right then and there
I kinda think people aren't harsh ENOUGH on him. He put himself in a situation that wasn't about him, and from there, sure, he probably made the best decision with tapping out. But to even release it in the first place is a huge L for him imo.
@@Kappap32 yes the like that verse was more aimed at drake but there were subliminals towards cole so i think it's unfair to say that it wasn't about him when there's the argument to be made that he sparked it with the mention of "the big 3" in first person shooter or on heaven's EP when he says "they threw the bronze at me, behind drake and dot"
This beef was bad, Drake had some garbage but some of Kendrick’s disses are glazed like they are even close to tpab or GKMC, nothing is in that level
And if you think about it, he was being true to his message. If something doesn't sit right with you, drop it, no matter how much the masses pressure you.
Hot take: Neither pac nor biggie deserve to be number 1 of all time at this point. They are still legends but I feel many have surpassed their catalogues at this point.
on point bro
valid i agree with the take but in general i feel like ppl over use the his catalogue is better so he’s automatically a better rapper thing
100%
Facts
Both died at the age when your GOATs hadn't even dropped music
Schoolboy q is under appreciated for the amount of talent that guy has.
Bro gave us a cold take and forgot to give us blankets 🥶🥶
Cold take man
The big 3 are the big 3 for a reason and I respect them all. But Q wipes them all for me 🤷🏽♂️ (as in solely for my personal taste I'm not saying he's better in general)
@@SHAQ977I personally prefer him over J.cole and drake.I feel like schoolboy Q is incredibly raw compared to drake and cole and he is equal with kendrick(Kendrick is better tho)
@@chaoticdudemakesbeatsin terms of quality of music, writing and rapping I personally don't think he's quite as good as any of the 3 of them. I think he's in literally the next category below. I just prefer him on a personal level tbh
2:10 "ill do it right now with you-"
NFR out of context do your thing
Dirty minded asf
Late registration is perfect.
Nah
Crack music? Addiction? I wouldn’t say those are songs of a perfect album
@@fogo1319crack music is a great song and addiction seems off to people cuz it's a darker tone but not a bad song at all
@@fogo1319crack music is one of the best Tracks and addiction is pretty decent.The addiction beat is amazing and the lyrics Are ok while crack music has an amazing beat and amazing verses
@@fogo1319 Those are both good songs that flesh out and add to the album.
I love Lazer Dim but Ant sarcastically saying "Lazer Dim's gonna pass Biggie" is funny asf 😭😭
Ye is the best 2010’s rapper. Dropping MBDTF, WTT, Yeezus, TLOP, & ye in the same decade is insane.
Kendrick lamar dropped: Section 80., untitled unmastered, good kid mA.A.d city, to pimp a butterfly and damn in the same decade and is competing with 21 savage for 2020’s decade
The Collage Dropout is a perfect album. New work out plan is an amazing song, u just have to look at it as it was meant to be looked at. Its a funny, comedic song, u wont find top tier lyricism there, but u arent supposed to. The beat is fire and the concept is hilarious
Ant is speaking facts on the J.Cole part. It was really just the beef bruh. I remember people going to their graves to ensure J.Cole had his goat status in arguments, now this whole bandwagon of people who just now tapped in started this narritive. That and I can't even respect their arguments, they be saying people like Carti, Future and Travis. 💀
There is a bar for being in the Big 3 and it doesn't just include success and catchyness.
There were also sooooo many people insisting that J Cole is excellent, but just-below-the-best excellent. amongst saner heads, Dot and Drake have always been on one level and Cole just below. As much as the boys try and insist, Cole doesn’t have a consensus classic.
@@CH-bo2yqI don't know about that one. Pretty sure a lot of people would argue the other way around with Drake being the lesser of the three. In terms of substance, rapping ability, and impact Drake lacks severely. Also, 2014 Forest Hill Drives? The Off-Season?
@@obsessedwiththegreatness i definitely agree except for the impact take . Drake has had the most impact on the industry by far
@@obsessedwiththegreatness the off season isn't even close to a ''consesus classic'' and i love that album. 2014 fhd 100% though.
@@obsessedwiththegreatnessFriday night lights
4 your eyes only
I could make an argument for Kanye being in the big 3 for the 2010s
I could do the same with Eminem. What's the point? Big 3 is about freshmens
Or Travis Scott
Imo birds is better than almost every cole album(except for 2014, 4yeo, and the off season)
Utopia and rodeo are better than all 3
Astroworld is about as good as 2014FHD
@@cancerouscorndog6425he came up too late
@@cancerouscorndog6425 utopia is not better than any albums you named there from Cole. Only ones you could argue are Rodeo, Astro and 2014 fhd for 1-3 imo.
@@cancerouscorndog6425not for 2010s actually, for last 10 years span (2014-2024)
0:52 elite ball knowledge for nfr
THA CARTER 2 IS A PERFECT, SKIPLESS, UNDENIABLE CLASSIC.
The "BIG 3" career stats and achievements 🏆
RIAA certified units sold
Drake = 294m
J. Cole = 95m
Kendrick Lamar = 57m
Platinum certified songs
Drake = 80
J. Cole = 33
Kendrick = 13
Average first week sales
Drake = 645k
J. Cole = 342k
Kendrick = 294k
Biggest first week sales
Drake = 1.04m
Kendrick = 603k
J. Cole = 492k
Longest charting album
Kendrick = 596w
Drake = 578w
J. Cole = 486w
Number one albums
Drake = 13
J. Cole = 6
Kendrick = 4
Highest selling album
Drake = 7x platinum (Take Care)
J. Cole = 5x platinum (2014 Forest Hills Drive )
Kendrick = 3x platinum (DAMN.)
Fax drake is him🤷♂️
Did you copy this from hip hop all day?
All 3 of these mfs are 🐐
@@ClydeCyrus I find it funny how when people argue why Michael Jackson or Beatles are the greatest, they always bring sales into it but when it's Drake? "Sales don't matter"
I think u should include grammies and highest grossing tours as well
2:40 cole made grippy wich automaticlay puts him above kendrik and drake. its the best song of all time. The big 3 in reality is the big 2 (cash cobain and j cole)
For real what has kendrick lamar even wrote ?? Probably gonna copy cole and drop drippy
Make a bracket of the best beat switches
I really love your podcast
My hottest take(or prediction)is:
After releasing The Fall Off j.cole should be considered a top 10 of all time(yes i do belive it will be his greatest album just because he has experimented different sounds and concepts and different styles he now knows how he can create a beautifully written conseptual masterpiece)
Tyler's influence on not just the hip-hop space, but other artists as well, is near unmatched. Even with his sub par albums (Goblin & Cherry Bomb), they still had some of his best tracks to date and weren't afraid to push creative boundaries, I'd def have him on a Mt Rushmore.
0:17 bro its not fargumball it's fatgumball😭
frrrrr
7:37 Lu shouting out Mac Miller and Billy Woods back to back is why i love this channel 🔥🔥
New Workout Plan is a bop
being popular commercially should not matter at all
Right? By this logic Yeat is better than Freddie Gibbs
@@dammpeggy7139no?
@manhamnight okay then in that case why even bother discuss the top three if it’s objectively provable which has better numbers? numbers ruins artistic discussion
@manhamnight you know what i meant bruh, point is nfr puts way too much emphasis on popularity for the reason why cole should be in the “big three” when there’s so many more deserving rappers
@@vizer4904what?
When I say Cole has less influence, I mean there are rarely any rappers who are using his sound compared to Drake and Kendrick. Not commercial success
Drake is lowkey the only one with Influence no one sounds like kendrick or jcole or tires to sound like them
@@thomo2127 there are many rappers sounding like Kendrick especially in West Coast. He's the first rapper to use West Coast vibes for his unique poetic lyricism with GKMC, and TPAB introduced a more philosophical way of storytelling. But Drake is the most influential in the big 3
@@fatgumball7599 such as there's literally no one biting kendrick and no kendrick was not the first to do that were you getting your facts from?
@@thomo2127 I could name many rappers influenced by Kendrick lmao you've to educate yourself more about West Coast rap
@fatgumball7599 start naming them then because I could name how many rappers influenced by future kanye or lil wayne no one sounds like kendrick
Nfr giving out the smoke on this one and i fw it
bro said that new work out plan is a song that knocks out college dropout from perfect 😂😂
ikr it’s like hard not to move to it at least a little
I think the perfect and 10/10 argument can be divided between classic and perfect
A classic album can’t have a song or two that misses or doesn’t change well but it doesn’t change how amazing the album is and what it does with impact and etc. but when we talk 10/10 or perfect, when curry shoots 7/9 that’s not perfect when he shoots 9/9 that’s perfect
The baby keem take is valid
H-HELL NO 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥
No it’s not
Fuck no it isn’t
how the hell do they have the best takes in one episode and the WORST takes in the next 😭😭
We needed moments is Like doomsday from juice Wrld, I think making an album full of tracks like that would be super cool, cause it showed how much better of a rapper he is than people think.
Fr, he was a great rapper, it’s just the 13 year olds that overrate him that brings the hate
@@Freddie-ej6ou one hundred percent all my friends just tell me “I still see your shadows in my room” like shut up he ain’t depressing that was only one album , with a few sad tracks put through other Albums, the rest were about love, anxiety, and drug addiction.
I think that Kanyes highest rated solo project is a 3 way tie between Grad, TCD, and Yeezus at a 94. I think that LR is an 89/100, but still incredible. KSG is perfect though.
"Baby Keem might become a legend" LOL
He really would be completely unknown if it wasn’t for Kendrick
@@Elliott_Elliott dude stinks
@@michaelt766Lyrically yeah but he’s got some great songs to put on aux or even for a pre game hype song, nobody expects him to drop masterpieces
In my opinion, Kanye has 4, 10/10s, College Dropout, MBDTF, Graduation, and Late Registration, and KSG is flawless.
Late Registration is a Perfect Album, saying Gold Digger aged badly when to this day is one of Kanye's most streamed songs 20 years later is just objectively a bad take, you're just ignoring the impact of the song because you don't like it.
Gold Digger is a timeless banger
That is weird take to imply that streams dictate how well a song ages but aight…
I think its just kinda boring compared to college dropout and graduation
@@Prodbyjah464 How else alse you supposed to, Gold Digger came out in 2006 before the streaming era and has accumulated 1Bil streams, is that not a sign of longevity, and how well it has aged?
@@Ilikerapalil Well that's your opinion and it might be valid to you, but if you are taking a broader view neither the critics, numbers or popular consensus would back that claim
Kanye’s entire discography, personality, and decisions are an entire work of art that we can’t quite grasp because it hasn’t been looked into from that lens.
Yeah his vulture took my eyes
3 feet high and rising is the best hip hop album made by a rap group
36 chambers
I almost agree but Enter the wu tang is too good.
1. Enter The Wu-Tang
2. 3 Feet High & Rising
3. N.W.A.
4. The Low End Theory
5. Madvillany
It's one of my favorites but
Outkast
Tribe
Black Star
Wu Tang
Idk man it's tough competition
Especially if you just go albums
@@jettswithermadvillainy is by a duo not a group
I swear the scattegories vid was yesterday I’m hypeeee for this
The big 3 conversation is so stupid lol. Said “jcole doesn’t belong in the big 3 because he isn’t as influential” in what world does being the best rapper require you to be the most popular/influential one? I’d go as far to say if you are the most popular in any music category you’re probably not the best, just the most digestible.
And j Cole is super influential, it’s just he isn’t as old as a Kanye that tons of mainstream rappers are influenced by him yet.
Does being the best rapper make you a big rapper? There are a lot of better rappers than drake, but u cant argue against him being one of the 3 biggest rn.
@@HowardSkub I was talking about how many artists are tryna use your sound, not popularity. Cole's influence is very less compared to Kendrick and Drake
@@fatgumball7599 influence comes from popularity, the more popular, the more people want to copy you therefor the more influential
The question is what criteria does one need to be in the top 3? Bc Travis for example has like 3x the daily streams of JCole.
21:13 “music is relative to its time,” yet they’ll call something timeless or ahead of its time…
Mos Def is a top 10 rapper of all time
11:30 Lou my man, you spoke my mind. I 1000% agree with the Carti take, and your explanation was exactly my sentiment
I agree with the carti take
why tho
@@00problemchilde3bhe doesn't have a genuinely good song
@user-pz4iy3ci9j he's a overrated hype man who mumbles. Simple as that
He's like an alternate universe Young Thug who got drop kicked in the head as a baby
@@split_head_776 LOOOL yet has millions and millions of fans. Maybe they were all drop kicked too
People don‘t get the concept of the Big 3. It‘s Not because these 3 are the best oat, but they all blew up at the same time.
Nicki is more influential, but that’s not what the hot take claimed. The hot take said she is not the best, which is true
clb is a top 3 drake album. you can find so much value in the second half of the traclist. there are no skips after yebbas heartbreak
I’ve never looked at The Big 3 convo as “the three best rappers” or “the three best catalogues”. More so just a mix of everything. Mainstream appeal, catalogue, lyricisms, hits, etc. Because personally I think if we are basing the Big 3 of the 2010s simply on catalogue and substance I’d argue NOBODY is in the same convo as Kendrick.
Kanye, Drake, Future, Thug, Uzi, and even Nicki with her trash discography is a contender cuz of her impact on all the new girls....
I think that the best rapper right now is yayu. He might not have the numbers but he has top tier lyricism, flow, cadences and use of his voice, hooks, features, production and he already has one of the most impressive discography’s (in my opinion)
You should check out his music if you like Earl Sweatshirt, Aesop Rock, JID, JPEGMAFIA, Danny Brown, Billy Woods, Kendrick Lamar and MF DOOM.
Denzel has had a better album run then Kanye and Kendrick since 2016 (including KSG)
Coldest give ever
Thats not a hot take😭
true and im a kanye fan
Denzel since has 2016 Has had a better Rap discog than anyone, including Kendrick
Denzel has a better discography than Drake and J Cole
My hot take:
euphoria is slowly becoming one of the best Kendrick songs imo. I can't go one day without playing it. In a few years it'll be looked at as one of his best rapping performances
Idk if it makes sense but it reminds me of the Black Friday freestyle. Something about it being long a long verse where he changes cadence a lot and is going for it. Also not on an album and big moment
I STILL HAVE IT ON REPEAT AND PEOPLE THINK IM GLAZING THE BEEF. GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE WHO LOVES IT AS MUCH AS I DO
I think if Kendrick dropped in the 90s he wouldn’t be regarded as high
2010s Mount Rushmore is Drake, J cole, Kendrick and Future. HMs are Travis and Kanye
*Kendrick, Freddie Gibbs, Kanye and Future or Travis
@@iangarcia1585 Freddie is an HM. There’s no way that u taking Freddie over Prime Cole and Drake
Imo (mix of sales and music)
Kanye, kendrick, J cole, Travis
@@tarik_barneswhat? Freddie is levels above cole
@@mahkamsaeed name a freddie project that’s better than 2014 FHD or FYEO
New workout plan hate is crazy
01:59 catalogue for catalogue of J. Cole VS who? Because I'll give you at least 5 current rappers that have better discographies than Cole and are more talented in general
i think he was saying compared to carti or future bc right after he says them but cole does have a solid discog only real knock imo is sideline story
4YourEyesOnly is underrated, best concept album I've heard so far
y’all really underrating cole’s catalogue 😭
@@lacer28 nah real shit his only mediocre album rly is sideline story and that’s bc its compared to the rest and due to his evolution
@@jit1709 exactly
i challenge ant to do a album by album comparison for the 2010s decade between J.Cole and Mac Miller and hear the arguments for cole over mac for the big three of the 2010s… should be interesting ;)
Rocky should be on the 2010s mount rushmore
Idk if I agree but I love the take
Absolutely NOT 🚯
If he was more consistent yea but imo mac miller deserves it more
Danny Brown
Tbh if it's just 2010s you can probably put Killer Mike and El P above Rocky
Or Young Dolph
Young Thug
Even Kanye
Underappreciated, but nah. Freddie Gibbs deserves that spot way more than Rocky
5:35 2010s is crazy, his two best albums were 2021+
Death grips is better than any artist who started at the 2010s decade and the 2020s decade, also I'm saying this because Kendrick started in the 2000s
It’s true but most hip hop heads can’t handle grips
I agree But Death grips isnt really hip-hop so it makes sense that most hip hop fans dont listen to them
Come on man lol
@@dammpeggy7139 people just have different taste that’s all
@@chaoticdudemakesbeats I feel like it depends on which album they've made like I'd easily consider exmilitary hip-hop but some of they're other albums go more into different genres
That T-shirt is hard af Lou, Reservoir dogs is top tier 🔥
Ant I promise you a future vs j Cole catalog debate isn’t what you want
Jcole buries future to the ground
Future doesn't have anything close to 2014 fhd
@@NoName-mi9pd ds2 and monster clear easily lmao
@@brandonavitia9869 how so when future takes everything outside of pure lyricism ?
@@bankk01 nah man 🤣
Overly Dedicated and Section 80 are at the same level
I’m not a drake fan nor a huge Cole fan but you can’t really rearrange the Big 3. The Big 3 of this era will always be Kendrick Cole and Drake regardless of how you feel about each artist.
I literally was arguing with my brother last night and he said that j. Cole "hot take" and I argued every single point you made. And I'm so glad somebody has a brain to put things in context cause recency bias from one beef is completely bias. If J. Cole drops a full project tomorrow people are gonna flock to it
Nah there’s a bit a revisionism on Cole here tbh. It wasn’t suddenly in April that people decided he wasn’t that good. That’s been a conversation for a long time. Whether he belongs in the big 3 or not (personally I would say no), the debate didn’t just start this year.
I think he more means that it’s became a lot more popular and people were making less intelligent arguments for why Cole isn’t big 3 since April this year. But there definitely were some discussions beforehand, but every rapper has people that think are slightly overrated
i think that recovery is a under appreciated and that people need to stop the "popular" hate
1: WTF
2: acceptable take
3: WTF
4: he’s definitely one of my least favorites. One of the worst ever? Idk
5: Disagree
6: love Wayne but agree
7: Definitely agree
8: he’d still be top 5-10 even that far down
9: you could say so
10: LH is the best female rapper OAT. Nicki is nowhere near her level
Timestamp
what not drought 3? tho
Lauryn Hill is gas
“Rapping about Naked women and some stupid shit” 😂
forest hills drive > take care
nwts > both
@@WaddupYTthats very subjective but i agree
Ez
Easily
2014 fhd over every Kendrick and Drake album
new workout plan is an amazing song bro maybe the part with the girls talking is a little bit too long but it doesnt knock the album down
5:06 Why you beefing with me bro 😭😭
If nfr doesnt like this, ant is into ice spice
Dude I legit think new workout plan is legitimately one of the best songs on TCD, the skips are breath in breath out and school spirit
TCD has 0 skips
Replace school spirit with get em high
Did they ever say what the skip was in MBDTF?
Imo Travis is the only rapper you could swap J Cole for, but because he came up mid 2010s he probably doesn't qualify for big 3, even though he's massive, has 2 2010s classics and a legendary catalogue
Facts
No one has a perfect album ,a classic yes but perfect means 100%
Joey bada$$ has got to be the most underrated rapper out right now he got the best mixtape with 1999
Waaaaaaayyyyy better than j cole it’s kinda fucked
Underrated is such a tossed around term in hip hop, people like REASON are because they barely have any streams, joey has millions
@@Mister_RandomGuychannel i have to choose someone fucking relevant i cant choose some random fucking guy nobody cares ab them
the big three is cole drake and kdot and no one else
College dropout, twisted fantasy and Yeezus are all perfect albums to me. I love new workout plan. Saying the second half of Fantasy drops off is insane bro, while technically true, it goes from a perfect ++ first half to a just perfect second half. Yeezus, is a tight conceptual project, absolutely trailblazing a new sound, sounding immaculate, and no fat to trim. Dude gold digger is an amazing song, I thought it aged amazing bro. Just a banger every time it comes on. It defined a pop era along with songs like stronger. Bro was running hip hop and pop at the same time don’t hate.
i would argue both graduation and LR are better than MBDTF, but i see ur take
W
Kanye went on a 7 solo album classic run and no one can tell me otherwise from tcd to tlop
The Big 3 commercial rappers of our generation -
1. Kendrick Lamar
2. J Cole
3. Drake
The best 3 rappers of our generation -
1. Kendrick Lamar
2. Freddie Gibbs
3. Billy woods
Incredibly valid list, I might put simz above billy tho
No Denzel? Peggy? JID? Vince?
@@SoggyMannit's supposed to be the big 3, you just listed 4 people
joey bada$$>>billy woods imo
Kendrick overrated denzel jid and joey all better
The college dropout is the greatest album of all time and the new workout plan is amazing I’m very disappointed and I’m expecting an apology soon
Carti hate is beyond forced lmao
You actin like there’s no good reason to dislike him
@@jacobrox1632fr bro is weird simple as that
Fr all 3 of his albums are so praised but i see so much hate similar to 21 savage
Deserved
I've given Carti so many tries. Genuinely. I have literally 0 bias against him, I have no reason to hate him for anything other than his music. But no matter which of his albums/songs I listen to it, it's all just complete ass. I've never been able to listen to a single one of his songs from start to finish without turning it off
Old Tyler hate is unfounded. Even in his early years he had a huge impact on the game, on Supreme as a brand, founded his own rap group and didn't have a single album that was below average. He produced for famous artists, produced all of his own music and had a completely unique style that no one else had. Has obviously collabed with very notable legends even in the early days. The only reason that critics like to hate his early work is because of his subject matter. That's why he was never able to get as popular as he should have. So the only thing he lacked was popularity.
im sick of people justifying carti by saying "rap has evolved". if this is what rap has evolved into rap is doomed
Facts
Listen to carti for the vibes and the energy
HIS MUSIC SOUNDS GOOD if you dont like it Thats fine But saying he is one of the worst rappers is crazy and i dont want to listen to crazy storytelling and quadruple entandras all the time.Carti makes great music and saying *HIs lYriCs aRe BaD* when his music has no focus on lyrics Thats just stupid
Rap shouldn't always be super lyrical. What makes Carti so talented is he makes his voice bounce on any beat and make it sound catchy
Carti listened to Thug and thought, "what if they understood me even less"
J. Cole is part of the big three, no one can replace Cole there, Kendrick better concept, Cole better lyrics, Drake better hit maker. Cole deserves more respect and love, people just hate him because they ignorant.
but k d0t has better lyrics than Cole
dot is literally just a better version of Cole
@@zakariahmardon5702 ik bro
@@zakariahmardon5702 obviously kdot is better. but still drake and cole are in the big 3. even if kdot is on another level
Kanye hasn't dropped a album under a 8/10 from 2004-2018 (including wtt and ksg)
I agree 💯
easy, facts
Yeezus ye and wtt …
@aidanmccarthy8278 all of them are a 8/10
yeezy and 808s, ye, wtt are the only ones i wouldnt say are 8s, but kanye is the most evolving rapper of all time
The college dropout and Ksg and late registration and YE are perfect.
I don’t think Ye is 10/10 but there’s no skips on that album and it’s one of the most consistent listening experience on any project.
Kanye is slowly losing the number 1 spot as the greatest hip hop producer oat after the releases of Vultures 1 & 2. If Madlib drops Montana, Gunnlib, Black Thought x Madlib collab album and the Pusha T x Madlib collab album and they all deliver he will definitely take the number 1 spot as the greatest hip hop producer oat
Madlib clears kanye
@@thomo2127 yup
@@iangarcia1585 kanye ain't top 5 producers ngl I'd take alchemist j dilla rza nujabes dj premier Kenny beats conductor Williams over kanye
You guys should do a hot take tier list where you base it off how much you agree with the take
People who say that the big three isn’t made up of Drake, Cole, and Kendrick have no idea what they’re talking about. Respectfully.
AI generated opinion
@@MMM-wg2vm lmaoooo… do u agree ?
I think that future’s influence, consistency and cultural significance out weighs what cole has done. Future helped boost Atlanta into arguably the top 3 cities in the world for rap. He created his own sound and when everyone copied it, he kept evolving his sound which helped him become one of the most developed artists in the genre. And in terms of the sheer amount of good songs in a catalogue, you’d be hard pressed to find a rapper that would beat future.
@@Gryffin.I wouldn’t be hard pressed, bc my answer would be either j cole, drake, or Kendrick.
@@Gryffin.yes future has that influence but he is not nearly as good of a rapper as any of the big 3
Jackman is a perfect album
Lu's arguments for Tyler not being on mt rushmore of 2010s is the exact same reason i dont think j cole deserves to be there either. I feel like music and hip hop would sound the same if not for Cole, whereas some other people has had a HUGE musical impact on the 2010s.
Also I feel like Tyler kinda laid out the blueprint for what was to come with soundcloud rap in that it was self-released, online fanbase, unpolished, at times heavily distorted and in general kind of punk vibe, which is never a point people talk about
And Lil B and Soulja Boy before him / odd future
Travis Scott is this generation’s Kanye. He has discovered don toliver, teezo touchdown, nav, and multiple rappers who are big today along with having top tier albums / mixtapes since owl pharaoh (aside from the quavo one which isn’t rlly his discography)
Had some subway cookies earlier today,
So I go to the toilet knowing I’m gonna be there for a while with all the whipping and what not so I think to myself I could really go for an NFR video right now
Sure enough 11 minutes ago brand new video
Let’s goooo
Are they that bad, its no Taco Bell
Subway cookies are fire tf
3:37 I literally came here to say that, Chris Patrick and Deante Hitchcock sound loads like J cole to me, in good ways.
The J Cole slander is outrageous
Get that coward outta here
Nah the baby keem comment was so out of pocket ☠️😂
Eminem’s Encore is a skipless, 10/10 album. Those hated, goofy tracks are some of my favs from the album.
As a Stanish person, absolute horrible take; if u say that but weinie is a song u just caping, fucking ass like that, fucking my 1-st single; garbage;
Hell no
Absolutely not
Now _this_ is a hot take jfc
Band 4 Band ❌
Catalogue 4 Catalogue ✅
HOT TAKES (explanation in the replies coming soon):
1. For All The Dogs is Drake's best since If You're Reading This It's Too Late
2. You guys should try reviewing other genres
wsp yall, just saw ur drake and porter videos
nfr x ur earz collab 👀👀👀
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@@Anwar-gq6pj one day 🙏
@@aliragingfire9958 sickkkk what did u think of it