SSL ORIGIN - Chris Lord-Alge
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2020
- Legendary mix engineer, Chris Lord-Alge (Green day, Black Eyed Peas, James Brown, Joe Cocker, Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen) sat down on the SSL sofa at AES New York and told us about his SSL Origins: Where it all began for Chris, his first encounter with SSL and of course the new, 32-channel, all analogue SSL ORIGIN.
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CLA - "I can have an Origin in every room!"
Me - "I wonder if I have enough money for chicken nuggets?"
Only Noodles for me... though, Chicken Noodles.
Always love to see new CLA stuff! Thanks SSL!
Hi
I am from the Bahamas.
Glad to Learn mixing and Mastering.
I love using analog.
This review is inspiring. Most SSL consoles goes for this price used and you could get it brand new.
I see SSL has taken great inspiration from the Audient ASP8024-HE with the signal path, layout of the channels and Bus Faders, but they've taken it a step further with the new Bus Matrix system and customisable Master Section. I'm an SAE student who has fallen in love with the Audient at my school, but if I could afford these consoles for my home studio, you guys have just made it very difficult to choose which one I'd buy. Love this console already!
“I studied audio engineering, I wanted to be Bob” .... all the mixing Bobs: “me too”
The large foot print analog consoles are a dying breed that are phasing out that are becoming more smaller cut down consoles these days as everything is moving to Hybrid and in the box mixing. You are seeing more and more Argosy console desk and Sterling modular desks taking over many of the larger studios. Argosy Console makes a desk for the Origin called the Eclipse.
I just looked up the price....$49,000.00 now I will have to just go get one. Gotta get my wife's credit card she won't mind....lol
Yeah one in every room not quite yet for the rest of us, but he is impressively pitching. He gote wanting to just she'd a kidney to get two of em lol
Nice video
I would sooner do a cut down and restored 4000E (maybe a 4032), add an efficient power supply and take the computer out. Love those old E-channel dynamics with the 202C VCA's on every channel, that's half of why we love mixing on SSL to begin with.
Well said. So many digital consoles are daunting for most out there without proper training and they come with the headaches of updates and digital failure. All analog never fails and its a what you see is what you get console. Yet, what you get is amazing transparency without the bullshit. Im game to get one
Over 70% of the old timers have sold their consoles for the hybrid ITB option. My set up UC1, 3 UF8, M2 MBP is all you need.
Amazing console... If only it had dynamics per mic pre then I still couldn't afford it :-)
I didn't know CLA now is a salesman for SSL. LOL. Its affordable for everyone!! I don't know about anyone else, but I can't afford a $50K console. Most home studios now a days can get just as good a mix with the SSL waves plugins and a mouse in the box.
Love Chris he inspires me.. I love the SSL as well. Unfortunately I can't afford the 49 thousand dollars.. but I will say that is cheap compared to the others. They are over 100 thousand.... so he is right about the price... us regular job katz will never be able to afford that UNLESS.... We're getting gigs like you Chris. LOL
He is amped.
Complaining about the price of this desk is the equivalent to complaining about a new Bentley. Keep your Toyota, it’ll still get you to your destination.
This thing is CHEAP. I was surprised.
@@ezrashanti yeah cause $50,000 is cheap lol
WAYNE'S WORLD WAYNE'S WORLD PARTY TIME EXCELLENT
holy shit!!!!
best in line console! SSL Origin
I'm cool with my DAW & SSL Plugins.
Sensi Alge did it like he had brand New movies to show the class at the dojo.
I can't afford $50,000 at the moment.
If I buy this will A list musicians start ringing my phone off the virtual hook like CLA? If yes, put me down for one!
Yes they will camp out on your doorsteps and eat all your peanut butter
Okay 👌
THE Kraft dinner commitee is big mad lol
i'm dying
I want one.....i would only wish that they would offer flying faders.....its allg the automation i need 😊🎬🎸🎼
Can get a AWS desk with automation and total recall it's just twice as much. They are trying to hit a price point with this one.
For the price point i would want moving faders.
Same; big disappointment
After owning and maintaining hundreds of SSL faders, I'm in the process of removing every single moving fader from my SSL's. The moving fader gimmick is always a weak link in console reliability. Long live VCA faders! :-)
OTOH, total recall is a must for mixes! That's where they lose me and probably most full time mix engineers.
That‘s why you stay in the DAW I guess.
@@martinsohnlein5591 I use analog gear so recall is very important for me. but moving faders makes automation so much faser and easier. currently I use a digital console just for automation while using hardware for all my channel processing.
@@IntheDAW I used the euphonix cs3000 and 2000 and just a null light is enough. The moving faders are only important for you to know the fader position in a certain point of the timeline. They should have gone that direction cuz the nightmare of broken motorized faders breaking down is real.
I just to use a 4000G+ from the 80' (I think he has the same one in his room) and it had features like "EQ to Small Fader" or "fader flip per chanel".... I don't get the point to lie that way. Not even a sales man do that.
How much would it cost to add moving faders on it?
After owning and maintaining hundreds of SSL faders, I'm in the process of removing every single moving fader from my SSL's. The moving fader gimmick is always a weak link in console reliability. Long live VCA faders! :-)
OTOH, total recall is a must for mixes! That's where they lose me and probably most full time mix engineers.
I agree with pretty much everything he says, only I wouldn't classify it as affordable. It's quite expensive. 55k for the base model Origin 16. Youch. 20k is more like it.
Wow. Wayne's World 🤘
ok i take it
SSL is famous for their automation, not their sound.
SSL: Here's our new board! It's all about the sound! No automation.
Methinks SSL isn't aware of what they're famous for.
No automation. No purchase.
I'm not sure what planet CLA lives on saying everyone should have one.. at 50k REALLY,,I'm not sure he's in touch with reality
I get a kick out of folks who think they know what's better for other folks as if options aren't a thing today. Besides, no one pimp$ plug ins like CLA!
For my budget, is even Nucleus² too expensive. and only the living room can handle such beast from a desk lol
I have a lot of respect for the producers and mixers who learned and worked on analog gear of yesteryear. But welcome to the 21st century. Technology has changed the way music is recorded and mixed. It is pointless trying to make 21st century technology fit 20th century methodology. I enjoy working with my daw and countless plugin options. I enjoy not having to f*ck with multiple tape machines to have 48 tracks and the hassle of setting up sessions on tape machines when I switch from one session to another. I enjoy horseback riding but I don’t ever want it to replace my car as a primary mode of transportation.
Well the idea here is to TRY to make people see/realize that mixing on an analog desk is faster and more organic. I love my daw too but lets face it, it's not a practical interface. Just think if you had to paint a picture not using a brush, not even e stylus but a mouse. ☺️👍 Anyhow, there are cheaper options for this. I just use mic sellection for sound shaping, analog preamps for color and comps & eq when needed during recording rest of it happens in the box. That works for me.
RabbleRabbleRabble...No automation, DAW control???......Yikes. it's 2021 folks. Not 1985
"There is no automation and no recall, because right now, in 2019 those are limits you can create on your own..."
Could somebody explain me what mister CLA means by that?
I’m guessing he means that automation can be handled in a DAW since most will be using this in a hybrid setup. You can automate in the daw combine UF8 with Wes audio nglevelr or sigma if you need post processing automation
Affordable?
Yea actually. Given that the aws console is 88k for a different feature set.
Hasn't SSL become a big player because of it being one of the first to have automation and computerized functions in their consoles? I thought automation computer was the main reason why SSL became what SSL is today! Cause sonic wise there's was and still is soo much better than ssl out there.. but lots of engineers in the early 80s where prioritizing that awesome possibility to write fader rides and stuff and went with the ssl. Neve, Cadac, Studer, Neumann, Quad Eight, and so on wherr sonically superior to the ssl consoles
Beyond Groove Productions No? I'm not really sure if you've heard SSL's boards, but they are top notch. Extremely warm and have an amazing characteristic. SSL boards are right there with Neve.
@@codylujan I've had the opportunity to work on 4k consoles and while they're good sounding consoles, I've hear much better summing. the 4k and ssl's in general are, where more about the workflow, the quickness and the computerized features, if they didnt have the automation they would have never reached their status they have today, just based on sonics. And not even wanting to start the debate on their mic pres, but I'd only use them if there was nothing else available.. Many top mix engineers fitted api or neve summing busses on their ssl because of greater sonics.. just saying. But again, it's a good sounding board... not wanting to bash, just fun to hear cla's arguments... cause I didn't forget his signature ns10s from avantone and his absolutely hilarious promo video that they took off youtube, cause it was that bad... and the waves video where he promotes his mixhub.. this guy just doesn't care and will sell whatever he's paid to sell... He's a business man and a good mix engineer, but with an EGO that is THAT BIG! And a modern large format console with no automation capabilites whatsoever is a joke. Any commercial studio needs recallability and automation, even my 1983 studer console has vca faders with automation and dynamics on every channel, and everything is built so it would be easy to remote control all the switches if somebody would wanna go down that route.. and the knobs lasted 35+ years and still work fine where some modern ssl consoles have scratchy or intermittent pots and switches after 3-4 years in use in a studio (real world experience). Ssl does amazing big game consoles and great broadcasting gear! but the origin is a gimmick to me.
it was a good sounding powerful workflow without the automation but the recall was also a fast way to mix or come back to a mix.
50g's isnt cheap chris...put one in every room....lol sure $1119 a month sure ill take 4
He's right, he really is correct but it's still 50k and behringer will probably clone it next year.
Its 50 000 USD.
You will not have one in each room.
maybe him, but not us everyday Joes
As an owner of multiple large format SSL's (which were each $500k - $1mil when new), I'd say $50k is a bargain!
@@mikej6565 This crossed my mind.Changes nothing.Those were the days when you could run a studio at $3000 a day.The six was a better direction.
@@starboy2013 Even today, I can't imagine a full blown studio NOT buying a console in this price range (or more). Perhaps this is marketed to people who absolutely need it and aren't sticker shocked. Consider the average luxury car costs $50k'ish (liability)... This console could be in your possession for 10-20 years and make you money (asset).
@@mikej6565 Ya...these days every kid is in his room with a laptop. I`m not saying this has helped music.Analog was always the standard digital was for poor people.
I got 20K easy on my back end.Vertigo, Loop Trotter, Otari,Neve,API.
I'm looking into a Neve 5060.
I get it if you are working studio even at $600 a day you could probably fund 50KUSD but with the way the industry has gone really what you get is guys in their bed room who send it to some guy to mix for $300USD a song.Maybe less.
I would say for 95% of users that is 35KUSD out of their price rang and yes there are other options hence the Neve 5060 rout which will get you there for 10KAUD.
I`m in OZ.
I'm mean I tracked a full album on a Tascam 2488 15 years ago (The first one) before I even new what A/D was.
Anyone one that tells you A/D does not matter has not done the research.
Were I am going with this is Analog is the standard but it has to be affordable for the average joe and maybe that is just not possible.
$50,000 dollars..everyone can afford it 🤣🤣
No automation is plain stupid, the sound is good though.
I was just listening to this as a Podcast, not seeing the product. The way Chris shakes it , everybody can afford to put it in every room, I thought this is going to be the price of a a standard mixer these days, 5990 ,maybe 7990...which isn't cheap. It lists at 49,990... Wtf lmao. Define cheap ...haha
Omg you're not.
Many professionals can easily justify the $50k into something that helps them produce better sounding and quicker work. As an owner of multiple large format SSL's (which were each $500k - $1mil when new), I'd say $50k is a bargain!
@@mikej6565 agreed. I just posted this on someone else's comment, but it sounds like we're on the same page. I'm hoping to pull off moving from my home studio in Brooklyn to a legit commercial space in the next year. trying to figure out what I can afford. I can definitely see how this would be a good centerpiece to invest in. ”it's for small-to-medium sized studios, not for home studios. so many of us run home studios it's easy to forget that there are still a number of commercial studio facilities which, while not famous, actually make a little money. I can see this being a good investment on several levels. first, the sound WILL be excellent, but it will also bring in some clients. Those producers who are familiar with the SSL name and those clients who aren't familiar with the name but upon a studio tour or viewing the website abstractly perceive the legit-ness of that console there in the middle of the room. definitely a business draw. if a coffee shop spends $15,000 on an espresso machine (yes, it happens), it stands to reason that a studio would buy a console. And yes, you can make some great records on less expensive consoles but your limited on the scope of genre. Pop and rap records sound muddy through some of the funkier consoles used on indie rock records and you don't want to be limited in your pick of clients based on the sonic characteristics of your console.”
Yeah, his definition of cheap is from the professional studio point of view :P
@@mikej6565 Not referring to massivebeatzz but I've seen comments under other videos mocking high-end gear as irrelevant. What many don't think about is that it's also a business expense which affects profit thus taxes. I've had times where it was worth it to invest in gear compared to not doing so.
@Enoch Porch It might still be a business draw. I've got positive remarks before from someone in a band who noticed an SSL outboard channel strip during a tracking session. And that's far from a console. I also know that I didn't get a few projects because I didn't have a more fully equipped place. Even if you can achieve the same sound, some like the comfort and different options in a studio.
This thing is not cheap and you can’t just turn it on and track into pro tools smh you need interface with io for each channel I live ssl but this video is misleading
Anyone else think he talks like Donald Trump? 😂
OK!!!!
Lol... 49.999$, mouse 2$...
Does Chris ever get tired of talking? LOL
Lol no. Back in the 80s at Unique, when my partner and I saw him coming down the hall, we'd ditch and hide for a while lest we get stuck listening to Chris talk about himself for a half hour.
$50k is affordable? LOL! Just to be able to mix with your freakin hands w/ a tiny bit of extra saturation? Um....no thank you. This is a product for people who already own $100k worth music equipment....not for regular home studio humans most of whom make less than $50k a year. Aint worth it Mr CLA! I much rather master the art of the mouse & invest money in having a comfortable chair to mix in. $50k.....lol, smh.
And to add to your rant invest in great monitors which is a fraction on that cost!!🤔
Studio one 4 pro gives you fat channel. channel strip. And a bunch of new features.
He said so affordable he could put one in every room. Haha.
You know what the learning curve is ?
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I don't think CLA actually is listening to what he's saying. I don't think any ITB producer is "afraid" of mixing on big boards, but its not in the realm of reality to own an $50k board when we can barely pay rent. These boards are for established producers in their 50's+ who already have retired and get a pension + repeat customers. Producers such as myself and people in my age group (early to late 20's) can settle very comfortably with a 2in 4out interface that costs less than $500 and make killer music that competes with high end producers. Its not about the gear, its about what sounds good.
He ain't talking about those, He is talking about professional mix engineers, who have clients as a job. I agree with you, it not about the gear. But mixing engineers as a professional mix what is given to them. Producing music inst just what a sound engineer does. producing music is just one part. Try mixing for commercial output and see the good thing of having tactile controls. your 2 in 4 out interface won't work if I ask you to mix a 5.1 film. Im not saying it's bad, I'm saying you are just doing one thing out of all the jobs a sound engineer works in the industry. CLA is a professional. I love my daw and I agree with you, but for a professional environment, there are things that are faster with them and some jobs, some gears are a requirement to actually do the job. Its not ITB or OTB. Its all dependent on what the job needs. Try mixing a full length film on DAW given only 1 week left before showing, and see that mouse alone would make your work hell. Just dont speak as if the whole industry is about mere "producing music" theres a bigger field out there for sound.
@Cody I don't think Chris would totally disagree. Both he and his brother have said that it's not just the gear. Chris said before that he heard good mixes from a $300 Mackie and bad ones from an SSL. But he wants tools that help him create his sound and support his workflow. More recently he bought SSL plugins and SSL 500-series gear. And for mobile recording SSL 2+ and SiX. So he's not only into large format gear.
@@gregrodrigueziii8075 Yes, it's different with clients. Tracking can also be faster with many functions right in front of you. I agree with Cody that it's unrealistic for many but Chris is talking to professionals here. Personally, 2in 4 out isn't enough. I have 16 XLR inputs, line ins, inserts (interface+expansion) and one SSL outboard channel strip because of the genres that I work with. Using a mouse during tracking is possible of course but I sometimes noticed that clients lost their flow a bit between takes while I was scrolling through tracks and settings. I'm not at the Origin-level so maybe something like Big SiX might be useful.
Wtf? Who is this product for? 32 channels for 50000$? I think this is the most out of touch product in a long time.
it's for small-to-medium sized studios, not for home studios. so many of us run home studios it's easy to forget that there are still a number of commercial studio facilities which, while not famous, actually make a little money. I can see this being a good investment on several levels. first, the sound WILL be excellent, but it will also bring in some clients. Those producers who are familiar with the SSL name and those clients who aren't familiar with the name but upon a studio tour or viewing the website abstractly perceive the legit-ness of that console there in the middle of the room. definitely a business draw. if a coffee shop spends $15,000 on an espresso machine (yes, it happens), it stands to reason that a studio would buy a console. And yes, you can make some great records on less expensive consoles but your limited on the scope of genre. Pop and rap records sound muddy through some of the funkier consoles used on indie rock records and you don't want to be limited in your pick of clients based on the sonic characteristics of your console.
@@enochporch I believe I can qualify as one of these small studio owners and this product does not fit anywhere in my business model or workflow. 32 tracks is just not going to be enough for mixing, so basically you'd use it for summing your stems and I don't need 32 tracks and a machine that fills the whole room for that purpose. For recording purposes 32 tracks is a bit too much, a 16 track mixer would be more sensible solution there. So I don't think it fills an existing niche. In the coffeehouse analogy this tool would not be the coffe machine. You would still need to mix on your daw to shoehorn your 79-143 tracks to this 32 track format. So this would in fact be a 50k add-on to your 15k coffee machine. A useless add-on that prints the coffee shops owners face on top of the customers cappuccino and needs to be moved halfway through because it's not large enough for the job. It probably lengthens the delivery time of every coffee for 30 seconds too.
@@artturilaukkanen9448 I have to agree with some of what you're saying. i forget that people use so many tracks. 80+ tracks just seems like insanity to me, but I do acknowledge that it is common. regardless, I won't be buying a console any time soon so I guess it doesn't matter.
@@enochporch What is this? I'm doing my best to start an argument in the comments section and you are all civil and reasonable. What kind of behaviour is this.. :) Also I liked your music, don't start adding tracks just because you are not limited by a console.
@@artturilaukkanen9448 haha! thank you, I'll keep plugging away. for my music I have a humble setup which I'm working to quickly expand. I would like to have a console and a commercial space in the future, but it's not time yet. So what's the verdict on this console? Is it truly just for trust fund kids in their home studios?