Ultimately, the loss of the ship is Capt. Smith's responsibility. He'd received earlier ice reports, but plunged ahead in the darkness anyway. Certainly, other factors made things worse -- no binoculars for the lookout, the artificial wall between Marconi responsibilities and the ship's officers, Murdoch ordering full reverse resulting in cavitation that caused helm problems. Smith should have slowed down. He should have notified Phillips at once, not an hour later. An overworked Phillips should have raised a louder alarm about the ice warnings. Cyril Evans tried his best, but when told to shut up, he did. All of it combined for the loss.
He stayed up for over 24hrs and swamped with huge workload. It is frustrating how he blew off the warnings and prioritized passenger messages but knowing the lack of sleep and being overworked, he is bound to make poor choices. Just unfortunate.
The wireless communications were new and people were just settling into it. It is significant that he was an employee of the Marconi company and not an officer of the ship. Which meant that his job was commercial messaging more than ship navigation or safety. No one realized yet what a problem that was. So to slam him for sending passenger messages is just stupid because no one understood yet that communication and ship communication needed to be completely separate for safety reasons.
Just discovered this Channel and I'm late to the party leaving a comment. I hope this is not taken the wrong way. I understand that he needed to send personal messages but had he sent the ice warnings to the bridge, he may never have had to lose his life along with 1,500 other people. I'm not sure that was a good judgment call. However, he more than paid his debt by working his butt off until the very end and then also losing his life. He was a hero in the end
Undoubtedly Jack Phillips was a hero that night for doing everything he can to get help from nearby ships. At the same time he must have felt that moment that he was responsible for not relaying important ice warnings to the bridge that came in Sunday night especially the Californian one. He probably must have felt he is the reason ship ended by colliding with the iceberg. So he tried till very last minute to keep sending distress messages and not moving from his position.
A number of mistakes were made rhat caused this Titanic Disaster. And while it’s admirable that Phillips stayed at his post until the Marconi room was taking on water, I have to ask, would that have been avoided had he simply passed on any of the multitude of war rings he received from other ships in the area about the vast amount of ice?
Jack Phillips initially survived the sinking, standing aboard the overturned collapsible lifeboat manned by Charles Lighttoller. Phillips told “Lights” about which ships were responding and coming to their aid, including the Carpathia. His body too exhausted to stand any longer, he collapsed into the water during the night and perished. Phillips was quite heroic that night.
Thanks for your reply. This is one story about what happened to Phillips, but there are many researchers who claim that there is just no good evidence that Phillips ever was on Collapsible B. This is why I did not include that information in the Profile. Check out pg. 363 of On a Sea of Glass. There is a great explanation of the evidence or lack thereof...
Thanks for your correction, I stand humbled. I’m always learning about Titanic and need to be careful which books I read. I plan to read your book suggestion, so appreciate the recommendation.
@@horizonsedge1925 I was found it into titanicofficers page: About de Collapsible B: Mr. LIGHTOLLER: I think there were three or four who died during the night. ... I think the senior Marconi operator was on the boat and died. The Marconi junior operator told me that the senior was on this boat and died... I should roughly estimate about 30. She was packed standing from stem to stern at daylight... Ligtholler also Said: “We knew that ships were racing to our rescue, though the chances of our keeping up our efforts of balancing until one came along seemed very, very remote. Phillips, the senior wireless operator, standing near me, told me the different ships that had answered our call. Of these, according to their positions, undoubtedly the Carpathia was nearest and should be up with the position where the Titanic sank, by daylight. For encouragement, I passed on to those around, my rough calculation and it certainly helped the struggle to keep up. As it turned out, the information from Phillips, and the calculation, were about right, though poor old Phillips did not live to benefit by it. He hung on till daylight came in and we sighted one of the lifeboats in the distance.” And: "I think it must have been the final and terrible anxiety that tipped the beam with Phillips, for he suddenly slipped down, sitting in the water, and though we held his head up, he never recovered. I insisted on taking him into the lifeboat with us, hoping there still might be life, but it was too late". If you interest to read this page in te future i let the URL:: The page where I get this information: www.titanicofficers.com/titanic_04_lightoller_08.html and the entire page (believe me they have more and very important information): www.titanicofficers.com/
@@horizonsedge1925 Jack Phillips never came to Collapsible B. After he and Harold Bride ran out of the wireless radio room as it started to flood, they split up and Harold Bride said that was the last time they saw each other. Harold Bride was the only wireless radio operator who made it onto the upturned Collapsible B after falling into that frigid water which he was barely able to survive on until he was rescued.
@@dianavitejimenez1838thank you for this sad story, i always wonder what happened with that poor boy😢❤ what about his body? Why was he not taking on board to be beried?
Well, actually most of the messages from the other ships were not seen as an urgent matter, BECAUSE!, Titanic was turned further south to avoid the icefield but it wasn’t far enough and titanic struck the iceberg, Phillips and his assistant Harold bride Sent out CQD signals to other ships, they did leave the Marconi room eventually but bride and Phillips were washed overboard, Phillips sadly died. So Phillips was a hero that night and he is the reason why the Carpathia came to the titanic.
@@FreakingFantasticFilms Harold Bride was a hero too. He survived the sinking, but he had remained at his post and worked very hard with Jack Phillips until the power was almost completely out. He had also worked hard with the Carpathia’s radio operator Harold Cottam transmit messages about the sinking during their journey to New York City, even though he had badly injured his feet in the disaster.
They spent all day and night fixing the Marconi wireless set which is most likely why most of those ice messages didn't make it to the captain. They spent a LONG time fixing that set and then had backlogged messages. They had only gotten it fixed that day.
Harold Bride and Jack Phillips, the Marconi Telegraph officers dropped the ball early on in this drama. It was their wreckless decision NOT to directly bring the iceberg warning from the Mesaba to the officers on the Titanic's bridge. The duo were irresponsible players in a fiasco which caused the death of over 1,500 innocent souls. Their telegraphing "til the end" activity was their attempt to undo the actual damages they caused by not doing the job required of them earlier.
All the people in this thread blaming a guy for the sinking who is not alive to defend himself .. as if those ice warnings wud of been taken seriously.. No, they were on a mission to show how powerful the ship was.. icebergs or not. Period.
I love your Titanic videos but I feel the need to stand up for Jack Phillips because there are two common misconseptions that always make people blame him for the disaster. 1) *Why is it always presented as a fact that the Mesaba warning never made it to the bridge?* We literally don't know that. In fact we don't even know if the message existed. It is what Lightoller claimed at the inquiry BUT given that he also made up a fake story about Jack confessing to him on Collapsible B how he forgot to deliver the message and that it was all his fault etc. (when in reality Jack never even made it to that boat), I think it's fair to say that if he lied about one thing, he could have easily lied about another. If he did get the message and ignored it, ofc he would rather blame the dead guy than himself. All we have is his word. Harold Bride, when hearing what Lightoller said, wrote an angry letter defending Jack, claiming *"At the Board of Trade inquiry, which is recognised for all purposes as being officially correct, no proof was available that the Mesaba message was ever received aboard the Titanic. Had it been received, I say with all sincerity that Jack Phillips would have realised its importance and immediately communicated it to the bridge."* So not only did Harold confirm they took important warnings to the bridge immediately, he also pointed out that there is no proof whatsoever that such message was ever delivered to the Titanic. 2) *Jack Phillips was never rude to Evans, the Californian operator.* He never told anyone to shut up. He used a DDD shorthand for "keep out", which was commonly used and not at all offending. Enquiry transcription: - What did you say? Evans: I said, "We are stopped and surrounded by ice." - Did you get an answer from the "Titanic"? Evans: They said, "Keep out." - In ordinary Marconi practice is that a common thing to be asked? Evans: Yes. And you do not take it as an insult or anything like that. *Evans didn't turn off the radio because of Jack.* There was nothing to be insulted about. He even said he stayed up for a while longer listening to Jack sending the private messages to Cape Race. He turned it off when his shift ended and it was time to go to sleep, that's all that happened. Also, the whole reason Jack didn't pay attention to the message and told them to keep out was because *Evans forgot to use the MSG prefix which signalizes that a message is important and meant to be taken to the bridge.* He literally thought the Californian was just randomly occupying the frequency. Jack Phillips, a guy who was the sole reason those 705 people were even saved at all gets bashed constantly based on false/unreliable information and it is so unfair. He is a hero.
Ultimately, the loss of the ship is Capt. Smith's responsibility.
He'd received earlier ice reports, but plunged ahead in the darkness anyway.
Certainly, other factors made things worse -- no binoculars for the lookout, the artificial wall between Marconi responsibilities and the ship's officers, Murdoch ordering full reverse resulting in cavitation that caused helm problems.
Smith should have slowed down. He should have notified Phillips at once, not an hour later.
An overworked Phillips should have raised a louder alarm about the ice warnings. Cyril Evans tried his best, but when told to shut up, he did.
All of it combined for the loss.
The work these men performed that night in the face of chaos saved hundreds of lives. They are true heroes.
Thank you for creating your channel, it gives a voice to the forgotten people who lost their lives...ironically trying to have a better life
He stayed up for over 24hrs and swamped with huge workload. It is frustrating how he blew off the warnings and prioritized passenger messages but knowing the lack of sleep and being overworked, he is bound to make poor choices. Just unfortunate.
The wireless communications were new and people were just settling into it. It is significant that he was an employee of the Marconi company and not an officer of the ship. Which meant that his job was commercial messaging more than ship navigation or safety. No one realized yet what a problem that was. So to slam him for sending passenger messages is just stupid because no one understood yet that communication and ship communication needed to be completely separate for safety reasons.
Just discovered this Channel and I'm late to the party leaving a comment. I hope this is not taken the wrong way. I understand that he needed to send personal messages but had he sent the ice warnings to the bridge, he may never have had to lose his life along with 1,500 other people. I'm not sure that was a good judgment call. However, he more than paid his debt by working his butt off until the very end and then also losing his life. He was a hero in the end
Undoubtedly Jack Phillips was a hero that night for doing everything he can to get help from nearby ships. At the same time he must have felt that moment that he was responsible for not relaying important ice warnings to the bridge that came in Sunday night especially the Californian one. He probably must have felt he is the reason ship ended by colliding with the iceberg. So he tried till very last minute to keep sending distress messages and not moving from his position.
When I found this channel I looked for this episode and now Im happy that its here
A number of mistakes were made rhat caused this Titanic Disaster. And while it’s admirable that Phillips stayed at his post until the Marconi room was taking on water, I have to ask, would that have been avoided had he simply passed on any of the multitude of war rings he received from other ships in the area about the vast amount of ice?
Exactly....especially from the Californian which has become history's scapegoat who he essentially told to f off...
Jack Philips done a fantastic job that night.
Jack Phillips initially survived the sinking, standing aboard the overturned collapsible lifeboat manned by Charles Lighttoller. Phillips told “Lights” about which ships were responding and coming to their aid, including the Carpathia. His body too exhausted to stand any longer, he collapsed into the water during the night and perished. Phillips was quite heroic that night.
Thanks for your reply. This is one story about what happened to Phillips, but there are many researchers who claim that there is just no good evidence that Phillips ever was on Collapsible B. This is why I did not include that information in the Profile. Check out pg. 363 of On a Sea of Glass. There is a great explanation of the evidence or lack thereof...
Thanks for your correction, I stand humbled. I’m always learning about Titanic and need to be careful which books I read. I plan to read your book suggestion, so appreciate the recommendation.
@@horizonsedge1925 I was found it into titanicofficers page:
About de Collapsible B:
Mr. LIGHTOLLER: I think there were three or four who died during the night. ... I think the senior Marconi operator was on the boat and died. The Marconi junior operator told me that the senior was on this boat and died... I should roughly estimate about 30. She was packed standing from stem to stern at daylight...
Ligtholler also Said:
“We knew that ships were racing to our rescue, though the chances of our keeping up our efforts of balancing until one came along seemed very, very remote. Phillips, the senior wireless operator, standing near me, told me the different ships that had answered our call. Of these, according to their positions, undoubtedly the Carpathia was nearest and should be up with the position where the Titanic sank, by daylight. For encouragement, I passed on to those around, my rough calculation and it certainly helped the struggle to keep up. As it turned out, the information from Phillips, and the calculation, were about right, though poor old Phillips did not live to benefit by it. He hung on till daylight came in and we sighted one of the lifeboats in the distance.”
And:
"I think it must have been the final and terrible anxiety that tipped the beam with Phillips, for he suddenly slipped down, sitting in the water, and though we held his head up, he never recovered. I insisted on taking him into the lifeboat with us, hoping there still might be life, but it was too late".
If you interest to read this page in te future i let the URL::
The page where I get this information: www.titanicofficers.com/titanic_04_lightoller_08.html
and the entire page (believe me they have more and very important information): www.titanicofficers.com/
@@horizonsedge1925 Jack Phillips never came to Collapsible B. After he and Harold Bride ran out of the wireless radio room as it started to flood, they split up and Harold Bride said that was the last time they saw each other. Harold Bride was the only wireless radio operator who made it onto the upturned Collapsible B after falling into that frigid water which he was barely able to survive on until he was rescued.
@@dianavitejimenez1838thank you for this sad story, i always wonder what happened with that poor boy😢❤ what about his body? Why was he not taking on board to be beried?
Jack Phillips is one of my favorite titanic passengers
Did you know he was the person who actually sunk the titanic 🤔.
WHAT?
@@FreakingFantasticFilms Yes all because he didn't want to listen to the other operator warning.
Well, actually most of the messages from the other ships were not seen as an urgent matter, BECAUSE!, Titanic was turned further south to avoid the icefield but it wasn’t far enough and titanic struck the iceberg, Phillips and his assistant Harold bride Sent out CQD signals to other ships, they did leave the Marconi room eventually but bride and Phillips were washed overboard, Phillips sadly died. So Phillips was a hero that night and he is the reason why the Carpathia came to the titanic.
@@FreakingFantasticFilms Harold Bride was a hero too. He survived the sinking, but he had remained at his post and worked very hard with Jack Phillips until the power was almost completely out. He had also worked hard with the Carpathia’s radio operator Harold Cottam transmit messages about the sinking during their journey to New York City, even though he had badly injured his feet in the disaster.
They spent all day and night fixing the Marconi wireless set which is most likely why most of those ice messages didn't make it to the captain. They spent a LONG time fixing that set and then had backlogged messages. They had only gotten it fixed that day.
I love hearing these stories
I love your channel!!! You do an amazing job!! When will your next video be?? I am a HUGE Titanic nerd.
I really enjoy your profiles. I watch from Washington State.
Harold Bride and Jack Phillips, the Marconi Telegraph officers dropped the ball early on in this drama. It was their wreckless decision NOT to directly bring the iceberg warning from the Mesaba to the officers on the Titanic's bridge. The duo were irresponsible players in a fiasco which caused the death of over 1,500 innocent souls. Their telegraphing "til the end" activity was their attempt to undo the actual damages they caused by not doing the job required of them earlier.
How do we know that the messages never reached the bridge?
thanks a lot sir..You're doing a fantastic job❤️ please be regular sir☺️ supporting you all the way from Bangladesh,South Asia🔥
Jack Phillips and his partner/assistant Harold Bride are undoubtedly the 2 men most responsible for saving the survivors of the Titanic!!
He actually survived most of the night, passing away after several hours.
You’re doing a great job, keep up the good work!
Thank you.
Dr Ballard came to Goddard Space Flight Center in 1996 to speak to employees about finding the ship .
Thanks man for doing this one I am glad that ur getting more subs
Jack Phillips story inspired me to learn Morse Code.
Could you do a profile on Wallace Hartley?
Already done! Please check the list for the rest of my videos and you will find one Profile about Wallace Hartley!
It’s “Newfoundland”, not “Newfinland”….
All the people in this thread blaming a guy for the sinking who is not alive to defend himself .. as if those ice warnings wud of been taken seriously..
No, they were on a mission to show how powerful the ship was.. icebergs or not. Period.
I love your Titanic videos but I feel the need to stand up for Jack Phillips because there are two common misconseptions that always make people blame him for the disaster.
1) *Why is it always presented as a fact that the Mesaba warning never made it to the bridge?*
We literally don't know that. In fact we don't even know if the message existed. It is what Lightoller claimed at the inquiry BUT given that he also made up a fake story about Jack confessing to him on Collapsible B how he forgot to deliver the message and that it was all his fault etc. (when in reality Jack never even made it to that boat), I think it's fair to say that if he lied about one thing, he could have easily lied about another. If he did get the message and ignored it, ofc he would rather blame the dead guy than himself. All we have is his word.
Harold Bride, when hearing what Lightoller said, wrote an angry letter defending Jack, claiming *"At the Board of Trade inquiry, which is recognised for all purposes as being officially correct, no proof was available that the Mesaba message was ever received aboard the Titanic. Had it been received, I say with all sincerity that Jack Phillips would have realised its importance and immediately communicated it to the bridge."*
So not only did Harold confirm they took important warnings to the bridge immediately, he also pointed out that there is no proof whatsoever that such message was ever delivered to the Titanic.
2) *Jack Phillips was never rude to Evans, the Californian operator.*
He never told anyone to shut up. He used a DDD shorthand for "keep out", which was commonly used and not at all offending. Enquiry transcription:
- What did you say?
Evans: I said, "We are stopped and surrounded by ice."
- Did you get an answer from the "Titanic"?
Evans: They said, "Keep out."
- In ordinary Marconi practice is that a common thing to be asked?
Evans: Yes. And you do not take it as an insult or anything like that.
*Evans didn't turn off the radio because of Jack.* There was nothing to be insulted about. He even said he stayed up for a while longer listening to Jack sending the private messages to Cape Race. He turned it off when his shift ended and it was time to go to sleep, that's all that happened.
Also, the whole reason Jack didn't pay attention to the message and told them to keep out was because *Evans forgot to use the MSG prefix which signalizes that a message is important and meant to be taken to the bridge.* He literally thought the Californian was just randomly occupying the frequency.
Jack Phillips, a guy who was the sole reason those 705 people were even saved at all gets bashed constantly based on false/unreliable information and it is so unfair. He is a hero.
He is responsible for sinking of the TITANIC🚢🚣😵😢🚢🚣😵😢
Like the captain and titanic gave a damn about icebergs