Dave Mustaine Says Music Fans Are Being UNFAIR...
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Dave Mustaine is back with another wild take, this time claiming that ticket prices for concerts are just "kind of what is is nowadays", and that it's unfair for fans to complain about it.
00:00 Intro / Story Background
00:41 Dave's Take
02:57 Extreme Disconnect
03:43 Passing The Buck To Fans
05:35 I'm A Little Annoyed With Bands...
07:03 Fans SHOULD Complain
08:02 If People Are Willing To Pay...
08:44 Final Thoughts / Outro
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I've always thought that if I cannot afford to attend a concert, I'll skip it; I refuse to put myself in a bad financial situation for any band. The reality is that many concerts I have attended were 50% or less full, which is probably related to prices rising + all the BS fees that Ticketmaster likes to tack on.
Ticketmaster is a problem, but you cannot ignore Biden's effects on the economy. Where I live, he raised our taxes from 5.5% to 8.9%. Ticketmaster sucks, but morons who vote for presidents who fuck the economy are far worse.
Good. The world needs more adults that are financially, responsible, like yourself.
In Italy, scalpers are illegal and the tickets prices are capped. As an example , the Metallica snake-pit tickets cost between 145 and 170 euros while in the US, the same tickets cost more than 1500 USD. Some food for thought …
i would think that would result in artists doing more tours in the USA, and fewer in Italy, because artists like to be able to buy food... and mansions and yachts and sports teams.
In Mexico it’s illegal for corporations to own housing properties. There’s solutions for problems America is facing that our politicians won’t fix because they’re profiting from it. This country is about to collapse! I’m glad Italy seems rational. Good luck!
@@perfectallycromulent Well, Metallica aren't the ones setting the prices at $1500. That's resale prices after scalpers buy up all the tickets with bots and resell them at a massive markup.
It used to be illegal here too. Then somebody decided they wanted a cut of the pie.
@@perfectallycromulent Metallica doesn't get that dude. They get a SHARE of whatever the face value of that ticket is. The scalping piece of shit gets all the excess.
Let's address the real elephant in the room. Live Nation has a monopoly on the live music scene. With their BS made up convenience fees that are basically made up so they can profit more. Along with that, Live Nation illegally scalps their own tickets on their own 3rd party sites that they own just so they can make even more money & in doing so, jacking up the price & demand of every show. Live Nation has such a hold on the industry & is so big that everyone including elected officials & politicians are afariad to go after them. The real problem is Live Nation & no one has pockets deep enough to go after them & all the illegal activity the do.
amen
Yep. Like so many other things, it's the middle-men who are the problem.
When you decide to put your boot on a neck, you make sure you put it on the neck of the strongest man in the room. No one questions that you are now the strongest man in the room as Mr. Tough Guy is turning purple. And they are hesitant to question you going forward lest their airway be next.
how is this even legal and if not why hasn’t anyone taken this to court no one company is legally entitled to a monopoly and i’ve been noticing latly a few who are and not being legally held accountable
lets be real for a moment they are not in no way shape or form. its just the easy way for a band to sell as ALL THE PROBLEMS are now on Live Nation. problems like refunds. With their BS made up convenience fees? are they so bs? don't use LN then. find a way to get as much people to know that you even have a show. the band don't want the BS from fans so they pay some one to handle the BS. that all it is. Nation illegally scalps their own tickets on their own 3rd party sites that they own just so they can make even more money? we know this for a fact? if so its not legal to do so. where the lawsuit case? scalpers are a real thing. LN make the same money from them as they will make form you. so they cant care less. the real problem is why you (as in any fan no the real you) but from a 3rd party site? why even go there? you get that if 50% of the people that do stopped they go out of business is like a weak.
It might be a question of vocabulary. Complaining about the prices and blaming the bands for the prices are not the same.
Exactly.
Exactly. I have not seen a ton of music fans blaming bands for prices. Yeah, there’s been some, but they clearly don’t understand how things work.
Live Nation on the other hand.... They are just brutally leveraging their monopoly
The fact there's basically 5 mega corps that control all live music in the US is insane. The pandemic made the little guys go away/get bought up, we the fans get screwed.
@@SizeofabigbitchThis shit's older than COVID. The first show I bought tickets for was a base level VIP to Cruefest II. It was at a small venue as far as festivals go, in a not so popular city for touring. It was $250 each for my tickets in 2009, before taxes. I know it's technically VIP, but that's still silly money for upgraded seating and a merch voucher.
I remember a time when show tickets were between $20-$30 and we bitched about $10 service fees. Oh those were the days
I fully blame the people who are willing to pay 3-4X the face value of a ticket on secondary sites for the whole scalping industry.
If no one bought the tickets from these people the whole thing would stop. Also you cant blame bands for puting their prices up when they see their tickets selling for ridiculous amounts of money, why should they just sit back and let someone else rake it in?
Especially for old farts that are well past their prime.
well yo remember the scalpers on the ps5 and xbox . Soon these scalpers of these tickets will be screwed . As people will not pay for tickets and these scaplers will be holding tickets they cant sell
@@Sherry_Armstrong
The sooner the better.
So you don't blame the ridiculous monopoly that is allowed to exist whereby Ticketmaster is allowed to own the scalping sites too? And music venues for that matter. And the ever widening wealth gap in society means it is only logical a group of people can pay sky high prices without batting an eyelash.
I don’t buy from secondary sellers, but it’s the same problem with concerts and sports… the secondary market is allowed to buy up most of the available seat inventory in advance, so literally when tickets go on sale to the public they’re already mostly gone.
When show gets too expensive, that means you have to sacrifice other shows to see that show. Using $300 on one concert means that is perhaps 2-5 other concert you couldn't go to. So it kinda hurt the overall business, in the sense that a fan can only watch one of their favorite bands. So you might get more out of watch 5 smaller bands than watching that one big band.
yes and no. it all depends where the shows being at. if there 5 shows there the place don't care if you go 5 times or one time if you pay the same. hell if they can make one show that pays as much as 5 they win as there be less operation costs.
I might go see a band at a larger venue once a year, maybe. all the other shows i go to i pay maybe 20-30 dollars for a big name band but in a small bar room style venue. the shows are better and i spend less money that way. I used to go see bands at the large venues all the time when i was paying 40-80 for a ticket. but thats been years past since you could get a main stream band ticket that cheap at a larger venue.
Good thing all the bands I like play at clubs for $20.
That's exactly what I have done. I go to 2000 seat clubs and never to arena or big amphitheatre shows. I am one of the lucky ones that got Tix to that silver spring electric call boy show in silver spring.
When a show gets too expensive, I just won't go.
I've attended dozens of concerts already, I've seen most of my favorite bands more than once and I don't care about concerts much anymore, but even if I did... I live in Bulgaria. With this in mind - if a concert ticket costs more than what I make in a day, I just won't buy it, no matter who the performer is.
I find that the base prices aren't what people complain about. They're complaining about a $75 ticket getting inflated to a $150 ticket through the tacked on service fees. Then, depending on the band, that now $150 ticket gets scooped up by a bot for a scalper who then resells it for $500.
In my experience Megadeth has historically done a great job of creating great lineups at reasonable ticket prices. Metallica is typically 3 times higher as a comparison. Just like any industry, all the costs are accounted for with profit expected at every level. The consumer pays for all that. If the prices are too high, complain with your wallet and don't go.
I think I saw Megadeth for 20 dollars and it was one of the best shows I've been to. If they really are losing 40-50k every day they don't perform I get it.
I love both bands, and have seen Megadeth more times than I've seen Metallica, but there's a reason Metallica's tickets are so much more. Metallica puts on a MUCH BETTER production of their show. Megadeth shows, while great, are super basic by comparison.
@@bumsuckaduck They can afford to lose that much. I don't feel much sympathy for them. They need to step up and make the shows worth what they're asking for or people won't go. Full stop.
@@josefu_velen "If a band can't go on stage with nothing but a single lightbulb above them and blow away the audience, they suck." - Henry Rollins
That might not be an exact quote but it gets to the issue.
Megadeth's shows are better than Metallica's because the musicianship of Megadeth is worlds above Metallica.
@@josefu_velenMetallica is also fully independent. They make their own shirts, they have their own studio, they front every penny for the tour. They have hundreds of employees they take on tour. They play for 2+ hours and give you a free recording of the live show. Just take the stub and enter the code and enjoy that night forever. It's a premium price sure, but it's a premium experience.
I’ve had to skip so many shows I would love to go to because of ticket prices. It sucks when you want to go support your favorite bands but you can’t afford even the lowest priced ticket. My frustration is never with the band of course, it’s Ticketmaster and the insane fees they charge. I’ve had to limit myself to one concert a year now due to prices and it’s basically my “vacation”. I think a lot of people are financially struggling and concerts used to be an affordable way to have a night out and escape without breaking the bank. I remember buying so much merch too but I don’t even bother to go to the booth now the prices are so high. I think a lot of low income fans feel left out. We want to support the band but are basically priced out of doing so.
Yea the experience changed when only people with enough money could get in. It's not as organic and welcoming at shows anymore because of this. "Pits" are basically for people that can afford it rather than the people that genuinely want to be there
then you blame the wrong place. its the band that sell by Ticketmaster in the first place. your big mistake is that band like this (this most of the time are really big bands) care for your support. go and find local bands where you live ort close to it and support them. make them big as you will find they are mostly not bad at all.
The fees are literally insane. I spent $120 on 2 45$ recently. Without fees i would have gladly grabbed 3 tix and brought another homie. And the most fked up thing? I was surprised by how LOW that fee was compared to other tix ive bought recently.
You dont understand management and tour booking. @anatoli1234567890 most bands have no choice if they want to do a national tour because ticketmaster has a literal monopoly on venues. If you dont use ticketmaster your venue options are extremely limited (or non-existent depending on the size of the venue you need)
@anatoli1234567890 wrong. you want to see big band Xxx. They are so popular that they can only play in arenas or even 1000 seat facilities which are owned by... ticketmaster or AXS which forces the band into using TM or AXS.
To add to the merch fee/merch cut conversation, how many times have you heard bands say "Don't buy a shirt here because you're being robbed. We have to inflate our prices for our merch fees. Go buy it online instead." only for fans to go buy it online for the same price it would've been at the show PLUS astronomically high shipping costs. Something isn't adding up.
what do not add up here? the band fucked the fans over. yes the price at the place of the show is extra because the place take a cut. the band then wanted this extra for them self. that all. to be honest i will not ever go to a show this band being at. and make its big, tell people what the band do and how trash they are.
Exactly!!! That doesn't make any sense
I will probably be spending less on tickets going forward than I used to. Until this year, I would often spontaneously buy a ticket if the price for the single show didn't hurt too much. Now, with prices going up, I look closely at the prices and ask myself way harder if I really absolutely want to go and see the concert. No more impulsive buying for me any more
Same here, I no longer buy if the show looks interesting, I now am more picky about what ones i attend and don't attend
Same, As a young guy theirs nothing I would like to do more than go see concerts, but I can only choose a select few now and it sucks, I get so jealous of the people who are part of the older generation and could see killer top bands for like 10-20 bucks…. Now the “Ticketmaster fee” costs 2-3x more than what people used to pay for a regular ticket back then
I usually don't make new year resolutions but this year I am making one: spend less and save up money
Unfortunately this means I'm going to have to cut back a lot on my partying and going to concerts
Luckily, a lot of favourite bands are smaller bands so concert tickets cost less (usually around 25-30 euros). It's still a lot, but once a month or every two months is fine
But I am also going to be much more selective on which concerts I go to
I was planning on going to Brutal Assault festival in the Czech Republic, which costs about 200 euros, but now I am reconsidering
When I could see local shows 4 - 8 times a month, it was $5 - 10 to get in and I would often buy merchandise.
I feel like the whole industry must have been changing in the last twenty years, quite seriously and I knew it was a little different than it was earlier (in the 1990's and 80's) but where are local bands now?
Not only that, but the behavior at concerts lately makes it not as fun of an experience as it used to be. I feel like more and more I cringe at the idea of attending a concert because I know that other people there are going to get on my nerves.
Honestly the whole situation sucks. Yes businesses need money to run but they're trying to run in this ever increasing profit margins that are simply unobtainable. Bands deserve to be paid but some of them are trying to go about it any way they can (the ones who won't lower merch prices for example) and then the fans who have to budget their entire lives are stuck with the rising costs. Bands do NOT come anywhere even close to me, we get a handful of bands for the Alaska State Fair and that's it. I have to fly out of state to attend concerts, that is at minimum a flight to Seattle and a flight to whereever else I might need to go which is why I try to limit my shows to Seattle. I have to fly, I have to get a hotel, transportation, etc etc. I'd love to see more concerts regularly but the whole system is pressing down on us all.
That sounds like a personal problem, and im not trying to sound like a jerk. In order for bands to come to Alaska, you gotta get more people to live in Alaska and have a lot of them consistently go to a show, if there is one. Bands only go to where there's a decent population and if there is a scene where they will always show up. It sucks but it is what it is. It will cost the band a lot more than to actually profit. It is what it is
yes this sucks ass but how its on the bands where you live?
i live in Israel , cant really fly when ever to see the band i LOVE. i am in luck as now we have a really good local bands that are on the cheap side for shows.
If he said it was unfair to blame the bands for the prices, everything he said would be perfect.
Remember when they kept raising the prices at the Cinema and the concessions. First it broke the Pavlovian need for concessions. They kept raising prices, and now many of us are no longer in the habit of going to the theater AT ALL. If it isn't streaming, it'll be on the high seas in a week. So, having watched that happen, go ahead, keep raising concert prices. First they'll break the Pavlovian need for merch. Then keep on raising ticket prices. Watch us get unused to going to live shows. See what happens.
"It's unfair for bands to complain about the decreasing attendance at their shows."
That's where casinos, resorts, and cruises come in. We are talking about huge bands instead of relics of a bygone era with many big bands originated from like Metallica and Megadeth being from the 80s, Paul McCartney from the 60s, and The Black Crowes from the 90s, with Aerosmith and Kiss being from the 70s. These bands and Paul are still active and huge. The artists like Air Supply and any other band playing at casinos, resorts, and cruises have lost that popularity to do a stadium or a bigger venue that can hole 10s to 100s of thousands of fans. The only thing that is unfair is that rich people are trying to find cheaper seats while the people who aren't that good off financially are the ones looking for the expensive front row seats, then selling those tickets for more money.
I have a hypothesis that Ticketmaster keeps it easy for scalpers to get tickets and drive up prices as a way for TM to gauge how much fans are actually willing to pay.
Pretty sure that's what they do already
When the Ticketmaster fee is 2-3x as much as tickets used to cost as a whole years ago then you know theirs a huge problem
I stopped going to live shows due to coast. My kids are now old enough to want to go to see shows. They asked me to take them to see Ale Storm. Was a great show, lots of fun, laughed and experienced a great time with my kids. Tickets were $25 online. By the time everyone got their piece, I had paid $180 for three Tickets. Reminded me of why I don't do it anymore.
genuinely curious how this breaks down. do you mean including parking, merch, food, gas etc it cost that much? or was that the face value of the tickets and you bought resale? i know that fees have never been more excessive than now, but $110 in fees for $75 worth of tickets can't be right on it's own.
That was a good show though 😂
I went to see a small Japanese band this year, and was at the 1st show. Standing at the bar, really near to the merch table. When the band leader got in to an argument with the merch guy. He wanted to sell T's at 35 Euros, because people would pay that, but the band only wanted to sell them for 20. After 5 minutes they settled on 25 Euros, and the rest of the other merch was cheap as well, they were sold out after 5 shows out of 10.
What was the band called? Do they have music on Spotify?
@@embertheraccoon37 It was a band called Fate Gear. And Yes they are on Spotify.
@@maximushaughton2404 Cool and thanks! I'll be sure to check 'em out!
@@maximushaughton2404
amazing band not even that small
I've seen Fate Gear in London three times (Metal Matsuri 2019, 2020, and 2023), and this sounds about right. I didn't see the merch table this year, but at Metal Matsuri and in 2020 I remember prices being reasonable across the board. By the time I got to the merch table in 2020, the band were apologising that they had virtually nothing left to sell (just guitar picks and a side project CD IIRC).
I've been going to concerts since 1995. I saw The Offspring & Green Day (separate shows) that year for under $20 a ticket. I've been to OzzFest 6 times and tickets were $50-90 depending on the year & lineup.
I had never spent more than $100 for a festival or $50 for a single concert - until this year.
I went to the Milwaukee Metal Fest for ONE DAY & my GA ticket was $148 after fees. Plus they were charging for meet & greets - even the local bands! $25 for an autograph & $50 for a pic.
I couldn't fkn believe it.
I'm almost done with going to concerts because of the ridiculously high fees & charging $40+ for shirts.
It's getting sickening that bands, venues and festivals are taking advantage of concertgoers.
It might be easier to listen to Dave if he actually performed a full set for the people who paid high dollar to see him. Last Megadeth show I went to, they played for one hour and walked off. Lamb of God played longer, and they were the opener.
Perhaps Dave should ditch the talent deflectors like big screens and his own lights, and instead go with his own backline and use the house lights, in the venue he's playing. Surely that'd save a few bob.
@@andyjaniszewski2130so stop needing more than the talent and music to enjoy a concert? I’ve never liked an arena show more than a club show. I’d rather hear the band and see them perform than watch them on a monitor cuz of how far away I am or spend $1,000+ for floor seats so I can have pretty pyros to distract me from ancient mediocre metal bands still trying to be as greedy as possible 40 years later.
Needs to be illegal to resell tickets above face value
Mustaine plays the "hateable celebrity" role where he stays relevant by doing interviews solely to say ridiculous shit which in turn gets people talk about him/his band. Remember kids, all publicity is good publicity, especially bad publicity!
Correct!
Just look what that fool umar said about Eminem the other day.
His Gibson icon interview is so good and shows how Dave has mellowed. Thus it proves your comment.
I think Dave forgets when it's real life or not sometimes.
“Old man yells at clouds” is what Dave has become
Tell people to stop asking him the same questions then. You have the pathetic media to thank for their lack of questions.
@@VincentEllis-John8-12yea because Dave isn't just a dick. He's always been a dick. He's a birther for crying out loud.
I saw Megadeth 2 years ago in Dallas. I took my wife and our 2 sons. The total cost after tickets, shirts, food, and parking was over $1300. I no longer look for big name shows to go see live.
1300 for parking is ridiculous.
$1300 with everything as a whole
Hope you had a great Christmas Tank. Your videos keep me goin. Always looking forward to your streams.
Off topic and you've mentioned the new EC Tour before, are you going to be tour managing for them again? I didn't see a video go up about it, but I know you've mentioned you'll be tour managing full time next year, just curious is all!
I dig hearing about this sort of stuff from an actual person who is speaking about it from first-hand experience .. Cheers man
I loved your bit about the merch. I feel like you might be the only real voice of reason in this space. Lots of people say they are keeping it 100 but none of them tell it like Tank. Big love bro. Hearing you talk finances of the road life is the absolute best.
If I am to be honest I'd rather pay $20 to see an underground band kick some ass then 75 to 150 bucks to see a larger band. That money saved on the ticket for the larger band gets me food beer admission and merch. I feel if people like Dave are going to have these takes maybe we should just focus on the Underground a bit more. Not saying I don't like bigger bands but it'd be really funny if the people that usually go to those shows decide to just go to watch underground bands now
Agreed. Club shows are where it's at. Screw the Enormodome shows and their ridiculous prices and greed.
On that note, I do find it interesting that a relatively small US band like Frozen Soul can bring three opening acts along and still tour Europe for 25-30 dollars/ticket (and presumably make ends meet). I don't question things being more expensive for bands overall, of course, but it does say _something_ about potential touring budgets.
It'd not just be funny, it'd be tremendous. Small bands+ venues give much more value for every dollar/euro a buyer spends; bc they have to. If just 20% of the thousands of people who go to 1-2 LN shows a year discovered that, there'd be a resurgence/reflowering of the culture like nothing seen since the early 1990s.
@@BackwoodsFilmssome of my favorite shows have been local i went to a holiday charity show with a bunch of hardcore and grind bands recently and it was amazing
@TankTheTech I'm curious why it wasn't mentioned that the "On The Road Again " program ends at the end of December. It was not a permanent thing; I think (I could be wrong) you mentioned it in a video you did when it was announced. If I'm wrong please correct me. Thanks!
I have always been envious of people that can just go to see bands pretty much when they want, I live in South island of New Zealand and basically never get any metal bands down this way so when one finally comes (roughly once every 8 years or so) I pay whatever it costs to go, for context $150-220 NZD is normal yet when I went to Graspop in Belgium it was like half the price (per day) to see 10x more bands
Yes, it is a lot more expensive to tour right now, but people have been complaining about ticket prices for many years.
I found an article from 2019 describing how the average price for a concert ticket in North America had risen 55% over the past decade. Meanwhile, the LiveNation CEO was explaining (in 2019) how “We believe the ticket is completely still underpriced.”
Companies have been very open about the fact that inflation is just an excuse to raise prices even more in order to increase prices. Also, bands went from making money off of album sales to relying on touring, so I am sure the companies at the top of this business feel free to take advantage of the situation.
As someone who is currently lower income(hopefully that changes once I graduate!) I HAVE to be selective as to which shows I go to. I am considering going to see Battle Beast in Dallas in May. But I think $61 is crazy for a smaller band in a smaller venue. My max amount for a ticket is at max $250 UNLESS it's like a special package like Zach Myers, Eric Bass and Barry Kerch did with the last Shinedown tour. Personal meet and greet plus a stage played instrument for $2000. You are getting the instrument, signed by the whole band and a meet up with one of your favorite musicians. I think that's worth it.
🤘🥳🤘 HAPPY NEW YEAR TANK
Dude. Dave Mustain is selling "Bored Ape" style NFTs of Vic Rattlehead. That's the biggest indication that you shouldn't really pay attention to anything he says about the real world.
Wait Dave Mustaine is punting NFTs? I know he's getting his dream album with James, or a support slot with Metallica, but how desperate must he be for money? Is Gibson not paying enough 😆
hey Tank, I just want to validate the EC shows. I got tickets to the MGM/Fenway show in Boston, but it I got presale tickets 2 days before they even went on sale to the general public and they were basically sold out already.
How do I get a hold of you for a live stream/podcast appearance?
When I went to see Emmure and WCAR at The Deluxe in Indy I can tell you for sure merch prices weren’t cheaper despite that venue being apart of the program. I also don’t fully understand the program either. The Deluxe is a venue at Old National Centre and so is The Egyptian Room. Both are in the program, but there is one other venue there, The Murat Theatre, which isn’t apart the program for some reason. But I guess we’ll see. I’m seeing Beartooth at the Egyptian Room in March and 2 days later at a venue in Fort Wayne that’s not apart of the program. I will definitely be comparing merch prices at both shows to see if the Egyptian Room is cheaper
I would like to hear Tanks take on how we stop the tickets from being stolen for resale.
As though you couldn't limit tickets sold to a given CC, email, IP, etc.
RUclips, Facebook etc can easily device ban, but Ticketbastard can't?
If I could go to any arena/stadium concert for under $100/ticket, I'd have a momentary joygasm!
You let them know with you dollars. If you spend it, they will keep charging for it. It's basically just that.
There was a time when a teen could afford concert tickets with their allowance.
They still can. Just don't go to see shitty big bands
If they're going to venues for 4500 people and below, they very much can still do so, depending on how popular the band is--I saw Helloween in NYC at a 3,000 person venue, and it didn't sell out until the day of (assuming it did, it was packed either way). Where you're seeing serious scalping is arena shows.
It’s actually quite still doable for most but the top tier bands. Allowances are nominally higher these days given inflation. When tickets for a band like amon amarth are like 50-75 that 4-5 combo meals at a McDonald’s.
Cant do that anymore tho bc woke
When I was young I started saving my ticket stubs. I have them all in a frame in my living room now. I just took a look at a few. I have a stub from 1986. Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers, Bob Dylan WITH Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers as his band, AND The Grateful Dead, the face price is $20. Also I have a Stubb For SRV With Jeff Beck, And Jeff Beck was touring for the "Guitar Shop" album, so Terry Bozzio was in his band. And the face price is $22.
Things have changed a lot !!!
In my opinion the ticket buying public are the only ones in this scenario that should have any reason to complain. The venue is simply going to charge bands and promoters more money and then the bands will pass these additional expenses down in the form of higher ticket prices in order to maintain their margins and this makes perfect sense.
Looking forward to my first EC show coming to Toronto in May.
On the scalpers bit about tickets I have a good one. I wanted to see I prevail, fit for a king, and a couple other bands play in Nashville. Base floor ticket was $40. I should have bought then but waited. By the time I wanted to buy them a couple weeks before the show they had gone up to $400 due to scalpers and people were paying the $400 just for general admission!
I completely agree with you Tank. Liked and subscribed.
EC came to Toronto a few months ago and I wanted to go. Tickets were $400+. I can "afford" that, but I also have dignity.
Gig pricing is wild right now. It is costing me less to go to a festival in another country than it costs to see one of the bands at a stadium 200 miles away
Damn, I had no idea the tickets for electric callboy in silver spring were sold out already :/ I would've loved to come to the show
@TankTheTech Is there a way to push back UP ie go back to the promotors or ticket master or the venues or whatever greedy higher ups keeping jacking up the prices and attack them instead? if its lower at the top wouldnt it stop a lot of the trickle down inflation?
I’ll happily pay up to £30 for a gig ticket. Anything more than that I’ll be questioning it value. Certainly diving into listening to the band back catalogue to check them out…
If I like headline and support act, £50 is my top price
i tried to get electric callboy tickets for me and my brother. I waited a couple days till I got paid and they were gone. I couldn't afford the secondhand tickets, so we aren't going to go now. THATS what's unfair.
I usually don't go to that many concerts/festivals per year but the prices are getting pretty ridiculous in Finland as well.
My saving grace has been that the last four-five years (minus 2020&2021) I haven't, technically, paid for like 90% to 95% of my tickets, and I say technically because I've used a "self-care" benefit (300 e/year for culture/fitness things) my employer pays for to pay for the tickets. So, technically, I've paid for those tickets with my work.
There is a reason why I no longer go to festivals in Belgium ... prices are insane atm, even for day tickets. Rather spend 140 Euro's for a 6 day festival in Germany, make it a vacation of it than spending 220 Euro for a one day ticket on a major festival in Belgium.
How much are concerts these days in Finland, for point of comparison between what I see in the States?
@asopala9019 So, my latest club gig was 33e (~$36), latest arena was 73e (~$80), latest stadium was 160e (~$177), and next year's festival early bird tickets start around 235e/3d (~$260).
For comparison, before 2020, a club gig would be around 12-20e (~$13-$22) and one of our biggest rock festivals had 3 day early bird tickets for 100e (~$110).
And like I said, I don't go to that many shows or festivals, so some stuff might've been cheaper/more expensive.
@@poutingtrolltroll So for at least where I am in the eastern USA (ignoring the junk fees from ticketmaster, which can sometimes be circumvented by buying from the box office of the venue directly, but is not always possible), that's pretty typical for our prices now. Junk fees make it worse, obviously, and add another 20-25% on top of the raw ticket price.
I have been able to do arena shows for less money, but for crappy seats. Been a while since I went to a stadium show, cause the last big one I would have gone to was the two days of Metallica, but I wasn't in the mood. Forgot how much those were for crappy seats.
I don't know how it was a few years ago but I went to sea Arch Enemy this year in Strasbourg, France and it cost me €33 at the time when I bought the tickets. the exchange rate was about 1:1 to Swiss Francs. when I went to see Iron Maiden in Zurich, Switzerland they charged 142.5 CHF. I get it, La Laiterie is a smaller venue than Hallenstadion, but still. 142.5 CHF. and the show was sold out
ticket prices in Switzerland are fucked up.
(i went to Strasbourg because going on a 4 day vacation there + concerts (including merch) + train ticket wqs chealer than their swiss show)
Just out of curiousity, what are considered "normal" ticket prices these days in the USA? Like, for a club show, or a 1,500 capacity venue? Or for a 4,000ish one? Because it seems from what I read & hear that those are nowhere near the prices that we have here in Germany/Europe.
I've been paying $35-$65 for the smaller venues 500-1500 or so, and maybe $150 for the small theater at MSG which is about 5k capacity. $250 for excellent seats at an arena. I think $25 for a tiny club. But that was Visions of Atlantis and I'm still a little shocked they played such a small show. I think the club I saw them at usually charges like $10-$15.
Recently Testament, Death Angel, and Exodus was in town and it was like $70 I believe.
Would it be possible, based on your knowledge of the industry and how the contracts work, to calculate the percentage of each ticket that goes whom? So if you buy a ticket with a non-fee laden face value of $30, is it $5 to the band, $5 to the venue, $5 to the promoter, $15 to ticketmaster, or what? Obviously all contracts vary, but I'd be curious about what's considered typical or standard. What I'm actually curious is if these cuts have changed over time. If the band cuts haven't changed much, and it's the band's cut that is used to pay for the buses and fuel, then the rising tour expenses would not explain the rising costs at all. Personally, I used to go see Nightwish at small venues in different parts of the US, 10-20 years ago. I think I paid $25 for most of them. I still pay $25 (face value) for small shows, and the only thing that's changed is the ticketmaster fees. So I think I saw Bloodywood at the Gramercy for $25 face value but $35 with fees. From what I can see, it's the monopoly that's changed things...
last live nation show I went to ended up being 80cad a ticket for a 1 hour show with a merch table that had every item marked up a flat 30cad compared to ordering it online from official merch sites and I cant believe no one is talking about it.
Another great video from Taint the Tech 👍
The only tours i really see with very high ticket prices are large bands or at large stadiums/football fields. Paid 20 something for Shadow of Intent earlier this year at a small theater, Machine Head is gonna be here next month at a small theater and tickets are 30ish
Just went to see Steel Panther in Vancouver last night......... and their t-shirts were only 45.00 CAD. Hoodies were 80.00. I was amazed (and so was the merch girl, lol). All other shows I have seen this year and shirts have been 60.00 and hoodies 100.00.
Where I live I don't get to see alot of concerts. What I can't believe is how expensive concerts have become and the cost of merchandise at the show. I remember paying $25 for shirts at concerts now it's $50, used to be able to get a good seat for $60 now it's double. I think what other commenters have said is true, if you can afford to go, then go. Someone else mentioned maybe keeping your money to see bands at smaller venues. I've done this had a better time at those venues got to meet bands like Wintersun, Varg, and Sabaton, prices were very affordable, didn't get bathed in beer, or get a foot in the face from body surfers the best part was going home with signed cd's.
I just can't mentally justify concert prices these days. I saw Monsters of Rock with Van Halen, Scorpions, Dokken, Metallica, and Kingdom Come for $24 US. With all the inflation, promoter fees, and venues fees, just about any price feels like a ripoff these days.
It’s not all that terrible, it’s mainly inflation and most people not having a firm grasp on it. I went to powertrip earlier this year. Same venue as when I went to the big 4 show back in 2011, nearly as stacked a lineup. The cheap seat tickets that were about 600 came out to the same price as the big 4 that was 125$. It was the cost of one months grocery bill. The nominal number value went up, but in reality they didn’t when measured in something like time it takes to earn that kinda money. Or like using the grocery bill example I used.
Dave needs to understand that its not the artists portion of the ticket prices that are problematic. Its all the extra bs tacked on by ticketmaster, livenation and the venues . The system has been jacked, and like leaches the promoters and venues have added unjustified elements to the overall price. Dave should stand with the fans and fight WITH them to take down the added bullshizz.
Might be worth looking into who is the owner of a lot of these secondary market sites. Chances are good Live nation and/or its numerous subsidiaries are involved!
I use to plan my vacation around shows. The show being one of the many hi lights. Now I have to decide if the bands worth it. Because it’s going to be the only thing I can afford to do.
I just dont go to concerts anymore. If people want to spend these crazy amounts to see a show its up to them. If fans would say its enough. We wont go to shows anymore, im sure prices would go down when no fans show up for the shows.
so, im honestly a little confused as to why he said that. i saw them in april last year in canada with bfmv (and oni) and tickets were listed as $89cad for floor. which i dont see as a huge cost for tickets tbh. especially post covid. the biggest problem with tickets is all the fees (ended up being about $117cad/ticket after fees and taxes)
Love you, bro. You are such a great guy
I saw Green Day for $60 years ago in the mosh pit.
I just looked at latest prices and it’s $400 for the same ticket.
Guess I won’t be going to see them. :(
I'm on a limited budget so going to concerts is very, very rare for me. This year I went with my nephew to see Bruce Springsteen for both of us it was £240 ish in Birmingham. Next year I'm seeing him again in Sunderland, the seats aren't quite as good, which doesn't really bother me that much, it's all about the music and the atmosphere to me. Those tickets for both us half of the cost of Birmingham!
This video reminds me of the classic Lawrence arms song ‘warped summer extravaganza’
Don't think Dave is disconnected at all. Despite being a veteran rock star, the dude's living a fairly modest lifestyle. He organizes tours with other, often younger bands and helps promote them. I can't remember anyone from Metallica doing that.
Similar to most businesses, they will gladly step up prices above net 0 profit to make it worth it and as high as they think is reasonable, but when the profitability increases due to a cheaper cost to produce they see no reason to reduce prices and "pass on those savings to the customer". And there are some valid reasons to do this, both in wanting to make more money and also not wanting to give the appearance your goods are less quality than others. Look at video games for an example of this, where while the cost to develop AAA titles has gone way up the cost to produce has reached minuscule amounts with digital downloads. Despite this, companies like Nintendo will simply charge whatever "they think the game is worth", and you'd better believe they always think it's worth a lot. There just isn't enough pressure to drag the prices down right now in many markets, and the ones that can resist despite the pressure are rewarded by never showing their product can be cheaper.
In 2017 I seen Anniliator and 2 other bands in Toronto for $22 and my last concert in June Death Angel,Kreator and Sepultura dost $51 after fees
I will always do my best to support my favorite artists. I WANT to buy merch and music and tickets. Unfortunately, unlike previous years, i now have to make tough decisions about which shows get my support, which bands get my merch money... and quite frankly venues arent helping. I just saw botch in Boston with converge and cave in. The merch line was so long, and then we got towards the front of the line, and had to pick between botch and converge merch lines, and we werent allowed to do both without getting BACK in line. To the credit of the guys working the booth they did eventually say its ok but by that point my homie and i felt like assholes "cutting the line" because its clear that their policy was NOT to allow us to do that and we understood that everyone else also stood in that line for at least half an hr for their turn. So only 1 band got a merch sale from us that night.
All that to say, i will always do what i can to support artists i lovr but there is a line where financially it's not an option. Something will have to give.
I can see it on the Ticket prices for the Wacken Open Air this year!
2008 my fist time it was 109€. 2017 my last time ist was already 220€ and just 6 years later its a 299€ and for 2024 its 333€!
Its more than 200% raising in less than 20 years and this is crazy i think.
In comparission it was under 100% raising from 1990 to 2008.
1st concert i saw Kiss Cheap Trick Aug 6th 1977 RIP Elvis. 7.00 a ticket. 2nd show AC DC Van Halen, Pat Travers Aerosmith may 1978 7.50 for the ticket.
I remember concerts in the 80s in the Bay Area. Days of GA $12.75 are long gone....
I live in Germany and I go a few times a year to concerts. To be fair due to anxiety I will go to smaller venues preferably. I NEVER payed more than 100€ ($110) on a ticket. Actually I payed more on merch (hoodies are at about 70€ and a shirt at 35-45€) than tickets in total. Most of the times those bands are from Germany or Europe but even those from the US are only slighly more expensive. I feel bad for y'all in the US with those ticket prizes because I wouldn't be able to pay that much money on tickets.
As someone that prints merch for bands, I can tell you that our prices have gone up since our vendors have raised the prices on the materials we use to print them.
Most concertgoers have no real option to get regular "face value" tickets and are completely stuck with the terrible secondary market. Concert tickets need to be more like airline tickets, where the buyer / assigned person can use it, but can not resell it. People shouldnt have to spend their entire paycheck to buy a ticket or 2 at 4x face value, a couple of $34 skunky beer, and a $95 hoodie made by an 8 year old in China that can be bought in Amazon for $12.50.
tickets are fairly priced here in australia
Back in 1999 was going to watch them at a small venue and it was 15 bucks a ticket but i could not go because you had to be 18 to get in. So i never got to see megadave.😢
Saw the Metal Tour of the Year twice, once when Hatebreed was in the lineup and once with In Flames. I think collectively for 4 tickets - 2 per show, both pit - I paid a bit over $250 pre fees (IIRC $65/ticket). IMO for the show they brought out that was very reasonable. Compare to Iron Maiden which was close to $800 for 2 tickets, or Joe Bonamassa $1000+ for 3 tickets. I am also lucky in that one of my "local" venues sells $25 lawn seats to every show. Parking costs more than the tickets. Not the best seats but for the money I am all for it. I am willing to pay to go see a show, and I totally get rising costs and am still willing to give the artist my money for the experience, however - when I get charged $50+ in "processing fees" for every show that becomes a problem. Or when half the tickets to a venue are "verified resale" at 3x-6x the initial cost
I've been waiting 30 years for that. Good sweet trickle down to come my way. They assure me it's coming eventually
One way for bands too cut costs would be cut back on some expenses. Have a smaller stage, cut back Pyro, get a cheaper bus, don't stay at the best hotel in town. Having done tours from being in a van too bus too flying all comes down too budget and planning
I love Maiden, but they priced me out of shows. I paid half what they were charging for Priest/Sabaton tix.
Is there a way to cut ticket providers out of the middle of the transaction? I've taken my wife to festivals where you buy directly from the source, you have to show ID and such and then your ticket has your details on it so it can't be sold on. You can sell you ticket back to the source and get a full refund and the ticket will go to someone on the waiting list. Maybe this is a way to stop insane mark ups and ticket scalping?
I do feel for bands touring, my boring day job is security consulting and just getting people to places to do jobs is twice as expensive in Europe and North America and the cost of people just living away from home has massively inflated without taking work costs into account.
My $.02, I usually travel to different areas to see the shows that I 'want' to see. There is no 'real' reason to pay more for KC shows vs St louis shows vs Rodgers shows. Some shows are just too much to attend - either monetary or physical (time). To be honest, if even the 'good' seats have to watch the screens to 'see the show' the value of attending is not worth the hassle.
I mean Megadave charged maybe £200+ for an acoustic set and Q&A at Bloodstock (which will have cost close to that for a 5 day pass) that took about 30-40 minutes, and the set-up of clearing out the stage/tent (ironically, the tent specifically for new/unknown bands that are chosen via battle of the bands like competitions each yeah), putting up sound barriers around the open entrance, and clearing away took longer.
I think it was originally supposed to be at a small venue in a nearby town, I presume it got shut down because of a contract breach with the festival, but it wouldn't have surprised me if they theratened to pull out of headlining if they couldn't run this.
Then when headlining Dave was weirdly grumpy and arsey with the crowd that were throwing around an inflatable unicorn around the pit which eventually deflated.
Most of the time it's not that I don't want to spend £60 quid on a ticket for a show, it's that I literally cant afford to. And I know I'm one of many people in thqt position.
I was just at a Megadeth show at the end of September. Ticket prices were way more than the last time I saw that, I was okay with that because EVERYTHING is much more expensive. However, like you brought up, the price of merchandise is ridiculous, I bought two T-shirts and it was about close to $100!
then i must as why? i live in Israel and merch price for such big bands (lets say this year disturbed ) was not close to 100$. more like 40$.
if at last 50%-80% do not buy then things will get wat more cheap. just make it so all know why you did not buy.
@anatoli1234567890 fair question to ask. I bought the shirts mainly because where I live bands such as Megadeth come by every once in a while, the last time Megadeth visited my state was back in 2009 for example, so it I bought them mainly for souvenirs. Why are they so high? That I truly can't tell you.
@@anatoli1234567890because israel is ran by Israelis who care about their own people, america is ran by people who see us as pawns to exploit every last penny
@@JoshuaLenerville I can. Because people pay that much.
Don’t even get me started on the electric callboy tickets for silver spring im heated about it
What a lot of artists don’t understand is that most people view concerts as an experience that has a limit on how much it’s worth to people. I am maxed out at about 50 bucks for a concert ticket. A concert is not a thing that’s worth more than 50 bucks max for me, and even that amount is only bands that I really really want to see. For example, last year I saw Queens of the Stone Age, and the only reason I actually bought the ticket is because they went on sale For 25 bucks apiece. I wasn’t going to pay the $50 ticket price. Artist seem to think that people should just pay whatever they charge because there’s an explanation for why the charges that much. But that’s not how things work in peoples minds. Yes, some people will pay exorbitant concert, ticket fees, but most people will just look at it as something they’re not going to do at that price point.
i paid $75 to see David Bowie's 50th Birthday Concert in 1996, and it was the best possible use of $75.
All this does is make me not want to buy tickets to see Megadeth.
Then dont
Vai and satch are playing STL this spring in a club and the floor seats are 250$ each for standing floor tickets. I am glad for youtube and a big tv these days because concerts costing 400 or more for two people to go and thats not counting merch and drinks or food. Fuck that
I spent less than $5 to see Aerosmith on their Toys in the Attic tour but that was nearly 50 years ago. lol
If it's a band I love and really want to see - it's an event, I'll do the hassle of arranging days off and paying ridiculous prices to make an event of it. The problem is when I used to be able to take a chance on a band that I may or may not care for $25 meant I'm going. Now that ticket is $100 and I'm better be damn sure I want to be there.