Slipknot Is Getting SUED
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- In a recent information leak, it looks like the estate of former Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison is suing the band, but a few of these accusations might be hard to prove.
00:00 Intro / Story Background
01:03 TMZ's Original Breaking Story
04:29 Corey & Clown Targeted
05:52 The Lawsuit Isn't New
06:32 The Corey & Clown Show
07:45 Boosting Album Sales
10:24 What IS Slipknot Guilty Of?
11:41 What About The Paul Situation?
12:17 How Will This End?
14:51 Outro
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I never understood how Corey, one of the last members to join the band, ended up being legally and financially in charge of SK with Clown. Besides Chris, Corey was the last to join. Far far from a "founding" member.
voice of the brand !
Probably because of 'the humiliation ritual' when he dressed up like a woman.
What dose Corey Taylor think about this ?
Fr tho him and clown are kinda scumbags low key
better marketing and licensing lawyers
I don't think they'll lose the case. But ever since Chris' departure, the band has constantly been losing a big part of their fanbase's trust. If Chris going away was hard, just imagine how disappointing this situation is for us. Not saying the other members aren't or weren't important, but Joey was something else. Disrespecting his legacy and memory is something they will hardly come back from.
This is very true, they only seem to really care about money nowadays.
And it’s important to remember that many of their fans are people that won’t care about stuff like what they did with Joeys stuff or firing “not core members” which is also probably money related as well
I dont really follow slipknot and how they handled things with Chris was cringy. And shows you that they were never a brotherhood.
@@te9591the footage I’ve seen since 99 of Chris interacting with the other guys shows they liked him a lot, it’s funny how yall wanna ignore how Shawn’s daughter called Chris an addict on ig and said he’s using the lawsuit as an excuse to make himself look better but sure they always hated him that totally makes more sense
they will absolutely lose the case. but it will settle outside of court. Joey's estate is entitled to money for almost everything slipknot does.
@@cartorius you don’t think joeys family still gets royalties from his work in the band? If that was the case Joey himself woudve spoken up about that years ago. Besides they can’t get paid for the music he had no hand in that’s just reality
I think it says a lot that the family didn't go straight to the press when they filed the suit. They didn't do this for publicity. They did this out of hurt.
yes but the family lied too, when joey died they said they found him dead in his room, the we found that it was hes ex girlfriend who found him dead, and he had been dead for several days
@@behemoth9920 if she is included in his estate or they consider her part of the estate, this usjt a lie.
Probably also at least a little feelings to the tune of, "We're doing it because fuck these assholes."
I have loved Slipknot for years, but man, it just seemed cold the way Jordison was just kinda left hanging out to dry.
@@behemoth9920 Even if you consider this a "lie" (which is debatable, in my view), what does it have to do with the band keeping Joey's property and using it to make money? They're two completely separate issues.
i only meant that the family lied about when joey was found dead,and if they want to sue the band, i think its ok idk@@humanbeing2420
I feel like Corey Taylor took his break because of legal stuff going on. 🙃
Yup. My thoughts exactly, he's probably screwed and he knows it.
@@thegoblinsteed3558I had tickets to see him. Love slipknot but as people I think Corey and clown are peices of shit.
Corey and Shawn need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that they only exist because of Joey. Joey was one of the founders of Slipknot. Without Joey, they would be nobodies! They need to start treating the band as a brotherhood instead of a business.
@@user-md9dz3gj6r Preach.
@@user-md9dz3gj6ryour comment needs to be at the top, pinned, highlighted and in all caps. I swear dude. For the DAY 1 maggots to remind the rest of em who founded who.
I used to love Slipknot back in high school. I was listening to their 3rd album on the bus every morning, I knew all the members names and the lyrics to their songs, etc. When I found out a few years later that Joey was no longer in the band, I thought "Oh... well then it's not really Slipknot anymore." Joey was member #1 for a reason - not only was he a founding member, but the rest of the band agreed that his drumming was the foundation of their music. To this day, I don't really understand how the rest of Slipknot was able to justify kicking him out. Call me naive or idealistic, but I just don't think they had any right to dismiss him from the group he was so integral to creating. I hope his family gets some sort of justice from this, even if it's just monetary.
Agreed bro. Joey and Paul were credited for writing allot of there best songs like "Psychosocial". Mainly commenting because I use to do the same thing listen to there first 3 (AHIG didn't come out yet) on the school bus too. Was the first real heavy thing I got into. That was over half my lifetime ago now.
It's very very difficult being in a relationship with an addict. could Shawn & clown have done a better job supporting him or finding a solution? Absolutely but there gets to be a point (in any relationship) where the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
@lynnjones4097 I think the beef comes from the way they fired him. Like Joey said, no phonecall, no email, no meeting. Just fired him via email.
he had a deasese which affected him playing, i dont think theres a confirmation that he was an addict at that time@@lynnjones4097
Dang I feel old I been an avid fan since 1999..their self titled album and technically their debut.. there is no sound like that. I was aware of M,F,K,R but I’m not quite THAT old lol but I was hooked by 1999 But then they did Iowa … I was very very hooked and a very big fan. Still have tons of love for them but after Iowa it just never sounded the same and we all know why. Rest up Paul and Joey
If it were dedicated to Joey, why would they not have said it on the album and leading up to the release so it would make sense? Joey was a founding member of the original Slipknot. Heart heartbreaking that a metal band would be so dishonest, especially when usually bands are a solid family because they spend a hell of a lot of time together, touring, writing etc. Joey is important but more talking to the family to discuss what can be used in the museum would be fantastic. Joey is my fav Slipknot member
“The Jordison Chapter”… not
Apparently you're not aware of bands like Slayer 💀
This could be the beginning of the end for the band. Its like what Alex Skolnick said, "its not good musicianship that makes a great band, its good decision-making."
Lmao, last album really was "the end so far"
@@spencerricketts8025 And honestly, I'd be ok with that.
@@alexhollon7526 Me too tbf, and it pains me as someone who absolutely loved Slipknot. I even loved all their newer albums. But if they released a new album there's no way it would feel the same, there wouldn't be that excitement for it. I can't get past how shitty these guys are.
With that said, I listen to them the same amount, because I believe that music can be interpreted however you want it to. Once it's heard, it takes on it's own life independent from who created it. So the music is still great, but I can't get excited for new shit.
The beginning? It's been dead since ahig
Last record, "The End For Us"
They’re probably not gonna lose the legal case. But they have lost their fans’ trust. That’s what is really gonna hurt their bottom line in the long run.
Mah
I dont know why fans would lose their trust in the band. Just look into it and you find out the band was justified in everything they've done and past members were given many opportunities to stay in the band.
They're big enough that it doesn't matter. A large chunk of people who listen to Slipknot won't even hear about this, and another large chunk just won't care. There are plenty of artists who are proven pedophiles and wife beaters who still have a career. This is nothing in comparison.
@@Jasonxknotreally? Joey was given opportunities to stay? Sure don’t sound like it
@wilhathaway1987 What makes you say it doesn't look like it? What makes it seem like it was a quick decision? They tried getting in the studio with him, and he wouldn't show up. They let Joey go and hired Jay so close to the last minute that they only auditioned Jay and started writing Gray Chapter the next day. Do you really think letting Joey go was an easy thing for them? Do you really think its something they didnt try to avoid. Its Joey Jordison. You dont want to lose that guy as a drummer, especially at a time when they were on a time crunch to release a new album. Do you really think they wanted to fire one of the worlds best drummers? Just think about it.
As a diehard fan of Slipknot since high school it really upsets me to the core how Slipknot did Joey Jordison R.I.P. the band was supposed to be a brotherhood but Slipknot betrayed many band members over the years ever since Paul passed away. All Corey & Clown seem to care about is money, fame and business. Joey and Paul were the founding members but some how Corey from Stone Sour epic frontman tookover Slipknot with Clown even though he never founded the band he just tookover from being friends with the original frontman Anders and Clown.
You say youre a diehard Slipknot fan but you dont even know what happened with Joey? They tried to get him into the studio for .5 and they waited till the last second for him to come back. Joey did not want to come back. He wanted to do another Album with his other band but Slipknot had to start the Album cause they still had the contract with Roadrunner. And even members from his other Bands Vimic and Scar the Martyr said Joey did not respones to calls. There are so many Interviews and everything about this Situation but most "diehard" fans are just so stuck up in Joey=Right Slipknot=Evil that they dont even want to know what was going on. And Jay got fired cause he couldnt keep up with the Band specially live. His old drum tech and even Jim Root said it recently.
@@user-qe1pz6lp1q Your opinion man your opinion!!! Opinions are like assholes everybody has one. But thanks for your insights!
Well from what Corey says he doesn't really have that much involvement in things, i feel like clown is the bigger asshole but that's just me
@@mikesmith6594 he didn't give a opinion though for most of that...
Some great people become junkies and junkies get the grey rock treatment.
A friend is their former head of security and everything he's told me over the years has been coming to light and people are finally realising.
Wild to me that neither of the guitar players are considered members
According to Mick’s wife they are 🤷🏼♂️ who knows
Many bands are structured this way. Ask Sergio Vega about being nominated for a Grammy and getting paid in Atta Boys and fist bumps
Jim especially given that he's probably the most well known member of the group outside of hard-core fans.
sorry I don't think i understood this. How are Mick and Jim not considered members??
@@cile5459legally they’re not members, they’re employees
I think as slipknot fans. We demand a response to this and an explanation. If not. As a fan. I hope their sales keep tanking. Except you Jim. Forever Stan Jim
They don’t owe fans anything.
Jim stans unite.
@@mike5177to an extent they do, seeing as their fans are the only reason they ever made it out of clown’s basement
Jim is the goat
What about Mick Thompson?
Its funny corey stays quiet on subjects we actually want to know about yet he's vocal on every other issue no one cares about his opinion
Stays Quiet.....
This isn’t some childish twitter beef with MGK. This is an actual grown up problem. Of course Corey’s going to stay quiet. I’m sure he’s smart enough to realize (or at least Slipknot’s lawyers have made it very clear) that talking can only hurt their case.
Seems like Mr. ROOT is the only one with the balls to say it how it is. Sometimes
You do or you wouldn't have commented
It shows how little he cares about the fans
This is what happens when you don't know when to call it quits. Harvey Dent's quote never rang louder. Slipknot is a band that a lot of us grew up with and although im someone who separates art from artist, i can't help but think that shit will go down bad in Slipknot unfortunately.
They were the first concert I went to after covid I was really excited but they just weren't the same band anymore. It's time for them to give it up They had a great run.
It's just issue after issue with them. Members are leaving faster than ever, the newer music is arguably the worst they've ever released according to the fans and streaming numbers, and Corey/Clown's egos are at an all time high. They are digging their own graves deeper and deeper.
I love there new stuff but hay I'm a true maggot only fake maggots would say shit like you did
I wouldnt be surprised if this is is what is taking the mental toll on Corey that caused him to cancel his tours. Considering that the lawsuit filing occured months ago, this is probably exhausting him and corey might just be isolating so he isnt constantly questioned throughout the tour or perhaps even booed.
You know I vaguely recall Chris mentioning that clown and Corey were withholding money before he got fired 🤔
Slipknot went from being a band to a business, and when I started to notice that I stopped listening. The way they treated their fans changed, the way they treated each other changed. It's a business. With clown and Corey being the CEO and COO respectively. I don't hate them as a band, I have a ton of respect for Jim and Mick as musicians, but clown and Corey can pound sand as far as I'm concerned.
At some point they just got kinda shit as well. Ahig had some really fucking bad songs, and the most recent album is dire. The one thing you used to be able to guarantee with slipknot was quality, be it acoustic, metal, whatever, it was quality. You can't say that anymore.
I'd hate to see the Joey gear go away but his estate does deserve royalties.
what royalties musseum is free for knotfest atendees
I liked your take on this! I actually didn’t know that there was something wrong with Joey’s leg that hampered his ability. It’s sounds very similar to what happened with Jay because he was saying that he was going to get a surgery that he’d been putting off for a super long time so he could still play and then he’s finally going to get it done and then gets fired. Plus to me if you’re going to fire a member I think you should do it face to face and give them the reason not send them an email or have a crew member give them a call. Especially to someone you have spent so much time with and someone you’ve been through so much with. It’s very shitty and honestly it’s cowardly!
I agree this does not look good and I am betting this will be settled out of court. they will buy their way out of this
The bit about "We miss him" being false after the harsh firing I find possibly true.
I was in a band that had a MASSIVE breakup. If we were "names", people wouod still be talking about it.
My next band was doing a major show, and when I looked across the stage, I absolutely missed my guys. This was a bigger show with a more popular band, and I wanted nothing more than to have my guys on that stage.
I ran into the guitar player later and it was big hugs and a lovefest. My singer from the break-up came out to see my new band, and made sure I saw him there and saw h8m jamming.
Just because the firing/break-up happens, doesn't mean you don't care
What band are you in?
@@selfproclaimednobody4614 As of now. I am.... "retired". The bands I was in are not anyine you would have heard
ok no credentials + no evidence = false story = this isn’t one of those beautiful firing/break-up stories.
@@nameputhpong9041 No.
This is you doing everything possible to discredit a story you don't like. Here's the thing:
You don't pay my bills, you don't sign my paycheck, you don't give me gratification. I owe you nothing, and the fact that you are arrogant ebough to believe the world owes you any sort of anything shows who you are.
Have a good life.
@@nameputhpong9041who the hell do you think you are that anyone owes you an explanation?
You Moses orsmth?
Piss off with that pretentious ass fatherless behaviour.
I think you’re absolutely right Tank. They kinda sorta are profiting off of his gear and memorabilia and etc. inadvertently they are. It might not have been their intention or intent… however like you said… it’s for the courts to decide. So… I guess well just see. Won’t we?
First Joey had YEARS to get his stuff back and didn’t second they had a traveling museum with everything from all members. This will go nowhere
If it’s not gonna go anywhere then why did the estate sue? Exactly. Your argument has no justification
@@coldcoilincthose are still joeys possessions. Just because they fired him and he died doesn’t mean he doesn’t own those items you 🤡
@@greenmatrix151023387 Lol bruh people sue without justification or reasonable cause all the time.
@@greenmatrix151023387People sue all the time with no case, in hopes that there will just be a settlement. Honestly, I'm struggling to figure out, if Slipknot is profiting off his death, how is it illegal? I get if they signed an agreement to return Joey's property, and they didn't. Then they would have to return the property and probably pay damages. Unless, the property they have is directly band related, then they have to figure out if that stuff was Joey's property or Slipknot's property. If it was paid for using bad funds, or if they were acquired using advances from Roadrunner, that means the band has to recoup that expense, so technically Joey didn't pay for it, Slipknot did. That's what they are going to have to figure out in court. Also, they'll probably have to confirm whether the "property" in question is authentic or replica. Their objective might be to derail the museum display by forcing them to either admit it's fake, or pay damages. It'll be interesting to see how t all shakes out.
Not going to lie this is pretty disrespectful of them to do this, because obviously his family had no say in all this until now, so kinda shows how underhanded it all seems.
They've always been on display and it's not like theyre selling it off...it's with all the other stuff over the years
@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507
It’s always been on display because Joey was fine with it. Guess what?…. Joey ain’t here no more. So now his possessions and how they are handled are up to his family now.
@@wilhathaway1987 ok? And then going against his wishes is the actual scummy part, they didn't even ask for it just went for the lawsuit to make money
@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507slipknot has officially become shitknot.
@@wilhathaway1987slipknot has been scummy since Pauls death
Saw their museum last year and there was definitely a lot of his stuff(could even play one of his drums). I wasn’t intending on visiting this year as I figured it would probably pretty much be the same but after this, I’m kind of curious to see if there will be any less of his stuff there…
I have long thought that Paul's death played into Joey's firing, and maybe Chris' eventual departure; I've read or heard multiple times that he was the person that kept the rest of the guys willing to work with and talk to one another.
If they dedicated that album to Joey from the get-go, why didn't they announce it until after the album was released?
When Chris was basically pushed out, we saw our first link in the armor. I didn’t actually think they were losing much, he’s just a percussionist and a backup vocalist, they can find that pretty easily. Then Paul dies, that’s when I knew it was the beginning of the end. They had already been on a decline imho, but once Paul, then Joey left, it was almost already a different band 3 out of 9, 2 of the original band members, were now gone and already, don’t sound much like Slipknot anymore. They’re albums from the Gray Chapter on, completely different band. In fact I dislike their sound quite a bit and to hear they’re profiting of Joey in such a way, I hope they fall apart, like they’ve been doing the past 15 years. They started off amazingly, but now, they’re a shadow of their firmer self and they’re unrecognizable…. Disgusting & disgraceful.
Paul died in 2010, Chris left the band in 2019 your entire timeline is fucked .Also Paul hasn’t even been dead for 15 years are you saying they haven’t made a good record since 2004? The gray chapter sounds more like old slipknot than all Hope is gone did, songs like the burden and the negative one could’ve been on Iowa
They chose a lesser backup vocalist and percussionist tho 🤷♂️
Went to Knotfest about 2 years ago. The museum has Joey's drum set, several sticks, masks and jumpsuits. My daughter has all the pics because she loves Joey.
At the end of the day this situation could have been avoided. If they wanted to keep Joey's stuff in the Knotfest road show the band should have offered Joey's family a percentage, it didn't need to be a big percentage. But Slipknot (Shawn and Corey) is known for their shady deals and after Chris Fehn sewing them, this was just a matter of time until it happened again.
Joey let them use that stuff in the Slipknot museum for years. Joey loved the fans and he still loved the guys in Slipknot. He said they're all still his brothers and he praised The Gray Chapter. There were no hard feelings there. All drama is created by fans. This lawsuit is bullshit. The End, So Far says inside its dedicated to Joey, so the claim they said that after the release is bullshit. This is totally disrespectful to Joey and his legacy. There's no coincidence that they brought this lawsuit on right after Slipknot announced plans to celebrate the 25th anniversary of their self titled album. You know they're going to want to celebrities Joey and his contributions to that album. A lawsuit could potentially keep them from doing that. This is just a money grab. If they won and take the stuff away that Joey let Slipknot use, they're basically deleting Joey from Slipknot history.
Shady business deals is created by fans too. Look into it. Chris complete dropped his lawsuit with no cost to either party. No settlement or anything. He was wrong about what he tried suing them for. Shawn's daughter claimed Chris was an addict and that's why he wasnt in the band anymore. He hid behind the lawsuit to keep that from coming out. After what happened to Paul, the band put in a strict rule that there would be no drug use with any of the members.
@@Jasonxknot Chris dropped the law-suit because he didn’t have the money to continue, it’s funny how the multiple SK LLC’s ensure that Corey & Clown have multimillion dollar estates, drive $100K cars live very comfortably whilst now former members like Chris are near homelessness driving nearly thirty year old cars, oh and the addict thing, well he looked pretty clean in a recent interviews and is struggling to roll his musical project after ‘Hetfield’ style phone calls have been made…
@VHS_Broadcasting Chris Fehn, who has a networth of 8 million, couldn't afford an attorney for a lawsuit...right...I didnt say he is currently a drug addict. He was 5 years ago though. He was never an official member of the band, but he was paid as such.
@@Jasonxknot not the Lawyer, it’s court time that’s expensive, and on the side of that is the most expensive part, forensic accountants aren’t cheap. Not an ‘official member’ wtf does that even mean factoring his persona was on merch for some 20 years, official members then are simply Corey and Clown…
@VHS_Broadcasting You clearly dont know what you're talking about. Clown and Corey aren't the only official members. That's just some crazy assumption fans have came to lately. Not only has the band debunked this, just think about it. How would all official members go from having equal ownership in the band to only Corey and Clown? Chris wasnt part of the original Roadrunner deal. He didnt have any ownership in the band. He was hired on as a musician like V-Mann and Jay, for example. He didnt even record on the first album. Clown did all of the percussion on the first album. He wasnt even on the album cover. They edited him in afterwards. He wasnt entitled to any other money the band could have been making other than the paycheck they gave him to play percussion. That's just one of the reasons his lawsuit went nowhere. You're making the assumption he couldn't afford legal fees, which is ridiculous. Dude is worth 8 million dollars.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they also showcase Paul Gray's belongings on stage and in the museum after he passed away? Not to mention their entire 5th album was named and dedicated to him as well.
He wasn't kicked out ten years before though.
Clown and Corey both being the sole owners of the LLC puts them in such a power position compared to everyone else. Makes you wonder how the other members feel especially considering they are "employees" legally.
Only the new members are employees dude. Stop pushing that dumb narrative
@@wilhathaway1987 False. They considered Chris an employee.
@@wilhathaway1987 jim is not a member of the LLC. How is he NOT an employee legally?
I stop paying attention to them after Joey’s passing. I moved on and it’s time for everyone else to do so at their own discretion
I was done with Slipknot once Joey left.. Joey, was the band. Clown was always a joke.. And I think you're right, it's been the Corey and clown show for a long time. Sad 🤘
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This is sad coming from a band that I really admired when I was like 12. When Paul's widow, Brenna Gray said that Slipknot wouldn't help her get Paul the help that he needed, I gave Slipknot the benefit of the doubt. And a lot of Slipknot fans called Brenna horrible and disrespectful names, like a gold digger, a stripper, a druggie, etc. When they kicked out Joey via email, I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but that never sat well with me. When Chris came out with his lawsuit saying that they were withholding payments and getting involved in shady dealings that had nothing to do with the band, I wanted to give Slipknot the benefit of the doubt, but how many times can I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt? During Chris' lawsuit, Corey and Clown's attorney said that "Mr. Fehn is not a shareholder in the company. Only Mr. Crahan and Mr. Taylor are." This translates to: "Slipknot is a company comprised of two CEOs and seven employees." But the fact of the matter is that they haven't sounded like Slipknot since Paul's death. Paul and Joey were the best songwriters in the band and R.I.P. to both. It's so wild going back to the late 90's/early 2000's interviews and listen to what they had to say about the music industry being money hungry sellouts. Now they seem to be everything that they used to hate.
Pretty sure that when Chris sued the band there was a statement from the band saying Clown and Corey were the only "owners" of Slipknot while everyone else was there as hired musicians.
It’s a bummer how life works out. Joey was such a legend.
Random question Tank…. Did you install/put up all those vinyls? If so how and what do you use?
Love your channel bro
Proving intent is the trickiest thing and the standards are high for that. It will be interesting to see how it is resolved.
The band should just wrap it up at this point. Do one more tour to make up for the law suits and call it a day. It's not the same. Joey was a monster drummer.
09:14 If they said it in a lawsuit it is almost certainly because they have the presale and order numbers to back it up which as an original member Joey's estate could have got from the distributor, especially if any of his work was on that album. Just saying.
Well done with the coverage on this 👍💯
I think you are right. I saw the Adidas sneakers up-close and was like woaaar, amazing to see this. Now reading these articles, I'm like.... speechless.
I could of sworn, with zero proof that Corey gave an interview prior to the album release talking about Joey, and wishing 'he was apart of this album' or something to that effect.
Joey has always been my favorite member and it makes me upset how slipknot kicked him out of nowhere the same way they did to Jay
I think whats gonna come out in any court proceedings which will effect the outcome directly when it comes to Slipknot using Joeys stuff for they knotfest museum is actual ownership of said items. Stick and stuff tend to be sponsored at that level that Joey's at even if he has a signature stick. Its valued as an ad placement for the stick company to have someone like Joey using their stuff so he probably got his sticks for free. The mask, if it was a gift or if Corey designed or commissioned them for the band, they'd belong to the band. The drumkit easily could be something Joey purchased out of pocket thus it belongs to his estate or it could have been purchased by the company as a tour drum kit even if it was used for recordings, mvs, and personal use at home for Joey.
Whats really going to determine if they're "profiting" off of Joeys death legally is who actually owns the stuff that they're showcasing in the museum. If it is owned by Joeys estate which was ordered to be given back, then yes, Slipknot clearly was profitting from not giving it back.
The past 6 years for slipknot have been so rough. They have gone from one of the last great legacy bands to a bunch of weird flakey sellouts.
I have zero good will left for Clown and Corey at this point
Mick and Jim need to form a group. Run while there’s time & start fresh. Slipknot died when Paul died. Even they know it.
no even after paul died it was okay but when they booted joey that was the real ender
With every member that is lost, from death or being fired, their sound and image just keeps going downhill.
Or they can really just retire. They’ve done a hell of a job tbh. Give the vessel a rest.
@@MilkyCamps they have so much music stored in their brains, that the sound will always remain great. I’m talking about real life issues is why the band died. If you know, you know.
@@AcogSlyme it’s sad what they’ve done. Ive been a fan since the early 2000s seen them 8 times. I’ll always be a fan but seeing this new bullshit is just depressing
It could depend on who paid for the equipment/items in question to determine ownership.
Coming from a Legal Eagle video to this one, feels like "What is this, a crossover episode?"
I doubt we'll ever know. They're just far too secretive to let any of that info out. Whatever the end result I guarantee it'll have discretion as part of the agreement. Everyone wants to talk about it because tons of people are emotionally invested in this band, but I'm not holding my breath about ever knowing the end result.
I believe Joey's very personal items (shoes, clothing, mementos, etc.) absolutely belong to Joey's estate, but I can see the band arguing that the drum sets, masks, jumpsuits, and anything band-related are rightfully theirs. In the bands early days they had no money, living poor on the road, so was that Joey's money that bought that drum set or was it the band's money?
I agree that they're indubitably profiting off of his death, but how much of it is legally acceptable?
Joey had a Pearl Drums endorsement even out of the band.
I like how you think. You are very respectful even if you're a Slipknot fan.
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Dude way to keep it real
Nice piece of content here
I love it
As someone who knows the band and delt with grief of loss. You can't tell someone how to deal or cope with loss.
I was Drowning Pools camera man when they were still a local band, things are going good and the band got signed. My brother and I had a little falling out with the band. And there was a time where I sold all my merchandise anything I had related to them, even recorded over the footage I had from bars and clubs.
Short time later we hear about Dave's passing. But it's too late to make amends. Too late to say sorry or make things right.
I was asked to take pictures of a show they had at Threes in Dallas for a promo. Dave spend a long time drinking with us and the bass player did too very nice guys.
Stop the cap
@@user-gh6wm5xh3j yea Dave was always friendly and Stevie . Would spend all the free time talking with the fans.
@@washoywa the cap ? I didn't use Caps 🙄🤷
I'm tempted to start studying genetics and biology so I can become a supervillain and steal your facial hair genetics for myself.
Is that new ink on the left lower arm? And also; tattoo tour when?!
There's some odd contrast stuff going on with the lighting on your beard in this one. Nice video though!
Dont ya think Joey mightve been alright with those items being in the museum. Even after he left the band, he never stopped being there for maggots (Slipknot fans). Because in or out doesnt matter. You cant tell the story of Slipknot without Joey. Because Sipknot came from his heart & mind.
This will be resolved with a settlement with the late drummer’s estate.
And probably a gag order
I was at knotfest Finland and the museum was a huge succses the line was so super long to get into the museum. Also at this event they were heavyly promoting the upcoming album end so far there in 2022. And they were selling the Glowns n9 whiskey there. This all makes sence to mee.
Another thing to take into consideration is that it's hard to believe that Joey's estate would sue Slipknot unless their lawyers were fairly certain they'd win. Slipknot's got "we'll just drag this out til you're broke from the legal expenses" money.
Corey and Clown totally reached out to the family.......they just did not check their email
Whatever you need to do do it now because you never know when you're going to lose somebody by the way jay you're FIRED!!!😅
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Relationships are messy. None of these things, other than them not reaching out to the family and not returning his property, is really something you can concretely state. Intent is so difficult to prove.
I actually could totally understand being in the heat of the moment in the studio and wanting to dedicate it to him. That doesn't feel fake.
Thanks for the info Tank!
Man this is sad to see this how they treated each other, this is why I always liked touring with country artist, Country never seems to really forget you and they do care a lot more about their crews and band members at least more than most.
Slipknot had the traveling museum up well, and I mean well, before Joey died. So unless you can prove they had to the foresight that he was going to die years later so they can profit off him, you can't say definitely they are profiting off his death. Him in general sure but not his death.
No sh*t dude, but Joey was fine with it. Joey is not here anymore so now all his possessions belong to his family and now they have the say in what happens to his stuff.
Well,they did have all that in memoriam behind wall on live shows when he died!And they promoted album as tribute to Joey,like wtf!?
I don't know if them lying about offering condolences is in the lawsuit, but if it is, that's ridiculous.
i think the only legs this lawsuit has to stand on is the keeping of joey’s possessions. all of the other stuff just seems to be hearsay that is either unprovable or morally questionable but not outright illegal. however i would like to see corey and clown get the shit sued out of them.
This is a civil suit, not a criminal one. You have to prove damages, not legality.
@@JanneBernards yes damages that’s the word i’m looking for. terminology aside, i still think my main point still stands.
@@JanneBernards you have to prove both
Honestly..does this feel like karma coming full circle to anybody else? I seriously can't bring myself to feel bad for these guys anymore.
It really does. Corey and Shawn are gross people. I can't stand them. Did you know that Corey was nextdoor playing golf when Paul had his intervention? He was asked to join and couldn't care less.
@@cake_9510 that wasn’t corey I don’t know how you got that idea. Chris was the golf person in the group. Hell it’s likely that Corey and Jim were busy with Stone Sour and that’s why they couldn’t make it.
Karma does not exist it was only invented as a scare tactic jeez when are people going to realise you need the balance of both good and bad in yourself it's called the duality
@@THEWEIRDOGOTHVAMPYREWITCHI think duality applies more to the world as a whole not individuals.
No wonder the price for the tickets on there tour this year are so expensive
I heard about the lawsuit last July at the Inkcarceration tattoo and music festival.
I understand it on Corey's side. You can have a falling out with someone, and then when they suddenly pass you realize how fucked up it was, and then you start to remember all the great times yall had together. It hurts in a different way.
They did Joey dirty and I hope the guilt of their behavior haunts them forever. They've just turned in to a bunch of money grubbing pricks and that's painfully obvious.
Regardless of how they feel now, any tributes they put forth are going to seem phony and contrived and they're doing it for their own benefit. When I seen the video of a fairly recent show and they put Joey and Paul on the big screen it disgusted me because I knew what they were up to.
If Joey wasn't worthy of their time when he was alive, then they're not worthy to display any of his person stuff he used in the band. Even if they are legitimately trying to honor his legacy, it's too little too late and they have no right to display it because it's not their property. I'm a (was) long time Slipknot fan, but the band I fell in love with has been dead and gone for years. Frankly I hope they get their balls sued off and hopefully the fans turn on them just like they've done to Joey and others. F#ck em, karma is a bitch.
and then he proceedes to fire jay
I think Cory is doing this to make sure nobody forgets Joey what's wrong with that...
Corey’s a sociopath, he don’t hurt on that.
Jay needed a medical procedure that would require time off as well right as slipknot fired him, Joey had medical issues as he got fired, Seems like a pattern is forming with the band. Chris says bad things about the band too so and Corey made Jim choose between slipknot or stone sour. A lot of red flags with them.
Love the content, Tank. Hope you get the chance to get to Chicago with Electric Callboy IN 2024!
I met a couple members of Slipknot at a Flyin' J in north Las Vegas one day. we were all standing in line to pay for Coke's and whatnot. Really nice guys. It was probably 1999, maybe 2000? I was headed back to my duty station after a TDY.
I’ve heard that there is no extra fee to go into the museum. In my honest opinion, if I had a loved one who was in such a huge band and was no longer with them and then passed away, especially someone who was there from the beginning, I would 100% be ok with them putting some of their items in said museum. Especially one of their masks and an instrument. But that is just my feelings. I can’t speak for anyone else
I went to knotfest about two years ago and they charged A LOT to get into the museum. It's like a vip upgrade package you can buy
They replaced Craig so quick after he departed the band. They also emailed Jay the same way they did Joey saying he was out of the band. I agree at this point it's the Corey and Clown show. At this point the only original members since the first album are Corey, Mick, Jim, Clown, and Sid
Craig wasn’t fired tho, he left on his own terms. I heard he wanted to spend more time with his kids and heal with neck
lol, jim was not on the first album. It was Josh.
I'm starting to understand why MGK felt Corey was unreasonably hard to work with and spoke out against him. I feel like if he had just gone after Corey, instead of the whole band, more folks would've understood.
Should we really be using MGK as a reliable source though?
"Well that escalated quickly"😬
We need Legal Eagle on this
I will say as a medical professional. Acute Transverse Myelitis CAN be caused by Heroin use after a period a sobriety.
I'm pretty sure it will all boil down to property claims and paperwork, so we'll see how this plays out. And about the timing of the statement about "The End, so Far" being about Joey being to boost album sales because they saw bad numbers is a slippery slope.
However, I would not discard this narrative as a marketing stunt.
Now wondering if this is why craig left as he departed the band the day before the suit was filed, maybe someone gave him a head up as to what was going on?
10:54 Is it his stuff though? If the band paid for it, or got it through sponsorships, it's not his personal property.
Shoes? More likely that it belong to the estate maybe... drums? Masks? A written agreement to return "his stuff" could mean anything, definitely comes down to paperwork and literal receipts.
Think of it this way.... If a law firm loses a partner due to death the firm is allowed to leverage all assets associated with that member, as well as their legacy, for profit. There's nothing wrong here. They also can keep his desk.
Legally, perhaps. What about ethically? Morally?
then again, law firms aren't known for promoting Heavy Metal albums usually...
You are talking about personal assets.
@@PvtAnonymous A lot of lawyers are metal heads. Metal fans are often engineers, sci fi nerds, and deep thinkers
I finally got to see Slipknot a year ago or so and I thought I was in metal heaven walking around all their old stuff touching their instruments it was so so cool for me I'm a huge fan and thought I'd never see them let alone touch their stuff
The problem would be the fine print in the contract.
I'm more than sure there's a gotcha sprinkled on there for this specifically.
If there's a death clause it would be in their contact with the record company. His family is suing the band itself, not the label.
They were band mates for over a decade ! Cmon guys of coarse they miss him. And absolutely have the right to own some of his stuff and yes make profits. It’s business. Rip Joey and Paul. Stay blessed 🙏
Not when you fuckin fire this so called "friend" over email when he has something as horrible as ALS and cant even do what he loves anymore...
@@mackend17fan1 you really think CT out here sending emails ?
Slipknot now is what Kiss has been for decades, it's just Clown and Corey instead of Paul and Gene. Members will come and go, but the Merch must flow...
You're not wrong, but the current Kiss lineup has been stable for over 19 years. Have Slipknot ever gone five years straight without a lineup change? Have they ever released two consecutive studio albums with the same lineup?
@@henrygvidonas9573yes. They’ve had the same 9 members from 1998-2010 until Paul gray died.
Once again, NINE MEMBERS FOR 11-12 YEARS.
I think the statue of lemontauions are out on Joy Jorden stuff.
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They're really trying to lose the trust of their fans and at this point I just appreciate what I have from the past. It's really sad to see how little trust we should have with the two who seem to have become the heads of the band. You hear things online about how Corey and Clown run the show and the rest of the band are just in there collecting a pay check. Events of late have really made that sound very true
I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes so I want to see this from both sides. The way I see it is any band profits from a members death. Fans will buy merch, concerts tickets, stream songs more, and stuff similar to support the band they love. Another thing, I went to the Knotfest museum in Irvine, CA in 2022 and (correct me if I’m wrong) I don’t remember seeing anything of Joeys. I didn’t take many pictures because I wanted to live in the moment so I could be wrong but I just don’t remember seeing it. Last thing I want to mention is, the family is literally trying to profit off his death. Joey (to my knowledge) never filed a lawsuit about getting his stuff back and I have not seen Slipknot using Joey to promote their museum. So now that Joey has passed the family is trying to get money out of Slipknot. I could be wrong on all of this and I would love to discuss it with anyone willing to respectfully discuss the lawsuit.
That’s a good point. If the museum existed prior to his death, why didn’t Joey ask for that other stuff back and did he even truly own the costume or was it owned by the band? The family sound bitter over Joey’s treatment (rightly so) but I don’t think that means that Clown and Corey are always acting maliciously or greedily or that they don’t care now or then. Joey didn’t tell them about his condition from what I’m aware until after he was fired.
I suppose I’m just looking at it more objectively. At the end of the day, bands are jobs and they require someone to manage the business side. The museum itself or having some of Joey’s band stuff in it doesn’t seem heinous to me. If anything, excluding him from the museum would be disrespectful.
Do they have stuff from every past member in that museum? Because if its only Joeys stuff then I would say there mght be something to it. I dont quite now what to think. I do think its gotten to Corey though as he is taking time off and cancelled his shows.
There’s some of Paul’s masks and basses.
I’m Pretty sure even Chris fehn has some memorabilia as well
now days a lot of sales is probably in preorder, and digital downloads that they can probably see near real time...if it was REALLY dedicated to Joey and stuff, youd think they would have put that in the CD, not a statement after the fact.