If I buy the Spyder and K-swap it, I'm blaming you. My wife would come for you after I rat you out. It's like that among Spyder enthusiasts. What? No one told you? :) Keep on it, man. Very informative work you do. Who would not want a light-weight mid-engine reliable sports car with a power to weight ratio the K24 can give? See? Your fault!
I noticed you kept saying cost was the only downside to the kswap. If you don't mind me asking...not counting labor what is the ballpark price for everything needed parts wise? I'm debating whether to do 2zz turbo or k24a turbo. Thank you for your time.
Thank you for the review, you brought up good points. As an engineer, I was hoping to have the 5 points bullet listed and reviewed item by item, so I was clear about what they were. I sped through the additional comments and tried to get the gist and this us my take, not necessarily in order: 1) K series availability is great 2) Stock power is much better, and the ability to use standard internals for higher power applications, 3) Lots of aftermarket support 4) Reliability 5) ?
I'm in the middle of a turbo 2zz swap. But hey man as long as your happy with the set up you got (despite the current issues) and it puts a smile on your face, that's all that matters.
Combine K-series power with MR2 handling and braking. You can't get much better than that for under 30k. Plus the car is super light and mid-engine. I'm never selling my MR2 Spyder. I want to buy an mk1 next.
Damn. I remember a k20a front clip was available for 500 around the time I got everything for the 2zz swap and the ItBs I’m making for it. It was SUPER hard to stick with the 2zz route I’m going but honestly I wish I got it anyway....
man that mr2 surely looks like a fun build, I just think a K Series is a bit heavy but not too bad. Surely look forward to seeing your upcoming videos on the Spyder soon!
While I disagree with your hp output estimates for the 2zz , they’re capable of 210-20 whp (check out R9k) I do agree there’s no contest. K series is just more power and options, especially when you go for the bigger k24.
There almost identical engines but me being a Toyota fan have to agree that at the end of the day, the k series are a better overall motor compared to the 1zz or 2zz. As long as your happy man who cares what anyone else thinks, it's your car at the end of the day, enjoy it and have fun with it!
They’re pretty far from identical, just the valve angle shows the age of the 2ZZ, it’s a product of the mid-late 90’s and the wide angle shows it, just like a B series. The K series takes the more modern approach and goes for a much more narrow angle, as it’s a product of the early 00’s for the most part. The K series is also capable of more degrees of VVT/VCT and has a slightly better flowing head
Even though I run a 220 crank HP 2ZZ, I still would like to go for K20. Same reasons: more aftermakert toys, more useable torque. Although, I personally think that K20 is a better option than K24 just of its ability to rev. But thats perhaps the discussion of HP/rpm vs. Torque :) oh, and here it is also great due to eligibility in the class of up to 2 litres. Great vids. Check up my channel - there is one vlog in English and I will make more content eventually.
A k24 at 8000 rpms limit, or a k20 at 8600 limit is only half the question. The gearbox plays a roll as well. U should have a shorter final drive with the k20 to enjoy the benefit of the extra rpm. U cant compare both engines with the same gearbox setings
Wanted to say thanks for the content. I'm on the fence between a k20/24 hybrid build, or a 2ar for my spyder currently. I had a turbo 2zz, but the transmission was extremely fragile, and while I am in love with the idea of a 2.7 NA 2ar build, people are starting to report eb60/62 bearing failures, so I'm a little gunshy about another weak Toyota transmission. No shortage of people abusing the Honda 6spd with huge amounts of boost, and little to no reported failures. Also, I really like those fender flares! Wanna be a cool guy and tell me where I can grab a set?? Thanks!
I agree with you bro there is alot more aftermarket support for those engines. The 2zzge is dosnt got much. You right in every aspect. The 2zzge has only 3 places that make any support for them and only one that has more consistency in makeing parts available for them. The other two stop makeing parts for them.
Great video, I just found your channel and plan to watch the build series. I picked up a 1991 MR2 and I'm starting the K swap. Just posted a video of starting the K24 on my garage floor on the shipping pallet. I'm waiting on the Hux racing cannibal kit which uses the e153 Toyota transmission. I'm near Seattle too so I'll be looking out for your stickers.
I originally wanted to buy an sw20 and 2gr swap it. Ended up buying a spyder to k swap. I read a lot about how 2gr owners were disappointed by the throttle response of the 2gr because it's drive by wire. If you plan to make it a straight line car then it probably won't matter, but I plan on going to the track. Cable driven throttle is so much better for the feel of the car.
Hey! i just recently got a Spyder and i was wondering if you had a list of where you got your spoiler, back bars, wheels and lights (both headlights and rear) thank you sir!
Scavenged everywhere! A lot of checking online at Facebook marketplace, OfferUp craikigslist. Wheels you can get from any company like Rota wheels, Konig, enkei etc. tailights and headlights are stock
TLDR; more aftermarket does NOT = better. Why have 20 manifolds to choose from when your car only needs ONE good and proven one? why spread the funding to 20 companies so that 20 might die? why not just have 2 or 3 so that 2 or 3 companies can refine and survive for the future of the platform?? keep things simple - *repeatable, and replaceable*. 10 years from now obscurities will be impossible to replace. and that is the downfall of "TONSSSSS of aftermarket choice" sometimes "a LOT of aftermarket" isn't necessarily better, the more important question would be if all those choices are interchangeable or SIMILAR quality. As a tuner of many many (many... many) things, I will say this; I'd rather have 2 aftermarket brands to choose from that are both good, than 50 good brands, and 300 hit or miss brands. all of which don't necessarily mesh and the hordes of "idk.. do your research" gatekeepers on the forums who don't actually know (and never did) the answer to questions about all these aftermarket parts. Nothing worse than spending money 3 times for a single task. and it happens all the time to us when some kid brings a pile of parts to assemble onto their engine and they don't even fit together. It also means those 2 brands are go-tos and will generally last longer because of 500 different companies vying for supremacy, hundreds will go bankrupt and things get discontinued, look at the miata scene, they have 3 maybe 4 very good brands to choose from. it's easy to just go grab and forget. all proven. all good. all reliable. and all get plenty of funding (less to choose from = more people buying what's actually available = company longevity)
Well, at first I think you shouldn't compare 2ZZ and K24, even K20 - competition to 2ZZ is B18 from Integra DC2. Even this riny 0,2 liter makes a huge difference in N/A engine, also K-series are couple of years newer. But still B18 is better than 2ZZ, but just not that much. Secodnly, 2ZZ's can whitstand great power, their first problem is not engine, but a gearbox in which 3rd gear fails around 300 horsepower mark. In factory the had maximum output of almost 300 horsepower in Lotus cars, where internals were just the same as VII gen Celica. Maybe they fail above this range, but in such lightweight car I see no point in more than 280 hp at wheels. Don't mind, I like Honda engines, B18, K20 and F20 are so fantastic, but 2ZZ's are also great. In my opinion stick with Toyota engines in Toyota cars and Honda engine in Honda cars... and what you mentioned about people swapping K20 and K24 to RX-7, also not a big fan of that - kinda hate it to be honest. And for me this tiny japanese cars are all about high rpm, not high torque, so if I had to Honda engine swap MR2 it would be K20, not K24. Also not a big fan of new Type-R Civic's that are turbocharger from factory... it's not the way. Just my opinion! :)
Apart from the aftermarket why would you say the B series over the 2ZZ? They both make around 100hp/liter but the 2ZZ is lighter and has a slightly better head (barely). Is it because of the MMC?
The car is rear heavy and stuffing a heavy k series in it makes it even heavier, 2zz swap has better handeling characteristics because it’s lighter than a k series
Levi Van der Parren the weight difference between 2zz and k20 is far from critical :) the only big and real difference is in cost. But you pay more = you get more.
@@motoringmatt in a straight Line not so much but you Wil upset the cornering balance if you ad weight in the back. Also you can't lift up the car on AL four jack points, it Wil lift the front of the car
@@motoringmatt i'm actually curious why people aren't questioning the weight balance with a k-swap motor more. in my eyes one of the best mr-s setups is the spirit mr-s and in a video by the user touge time you can see the shop owner talk about why his mr2 has a 2zz and not a k. to me the biggest plus of the k swap is the reliability, but in my eyes 2zz is better suited for the mr-s
instead this MR (same as last Celica) is a very economic car, how his interior show so much . sure appling an apposite compressor kit is very simple compare to swapping engines with more torque
Haha appreciate it! Just getting info from the forums and taking it one step at a time! A lot of mistakes and a lot of learning. Luckily the community helps out a lot. I’m still just a kid
inline 4 NA : honda > toyota 6 cylinder (with or without turbo) : toyota > honda sports car : honda > toyota sedan/ truck/ suv : toyota > honda after market support : honda >>>>>> toyota
Hola, Luis de Panamá, tengo un Mr2 año 2000, necesito el cable para abrir tapa de motor, no se como pedirlo que código o serie es el que usa este carro, me podría guiar. Saludos.
5 Reasons why you K swap your MR2 1- You're a Honda fan boy 2- You're a Honda fan boy 3- You're a Honda fan boy 4- You're a Honda fan boy 5- You're a Honda fan boy I could bet my life that if Honda would've made and MR "cheap" car you would've have that instead.. and is alright.. whatever makes you happy.
K series engines stomps everything a 2zz can do, na, turbo, 2zz are too short to what a k can do, not only that, 2zz stock are an horrible peaky engine that only starts to shine for about las 800 rpms k are almost linear engines in stock form.
@@RedlineRicerI blew my 3GSTE on my 92 MR2 turbo, would you recommend this K24 swap over a 2GFE V6 if I want to boost it as well? I’d like to be in that 400-600 WHP space all said and done. I’m just wondering what else I’m going to need to make everything match up, wiring harness wise, turbo, transmission etc.
I think your Kswap with a turbo can make over 1200 hp have a look a PFI Speed. There are way more options available, Kyle from PFI runs over a 1000 with 2 eBay turbos. He can run 9.01 quarter mile times you can also make it four wheel drive if you want to. There are way more k motors available than the 2zz motors, like in the millions of car sold world wide.
If I buy the Spyder and K-swap it, I'm blaming you. My wife would come for you after I rat you out. It's like that among Spyder enthusiasts. What? No one told you? :) Keep on it, man. Very informative work you do. Who would not want a light-weight mid-engine reliable sports car with a power to weight ratio the K24 can give? See? Your fault!
HAHAH!! Thanks for making me laugh! I apprecaite your support! I better see u with a kswapped Spyder soon!
@@RedlineRicer If you see me soon, it'll be a fast drive-by with the wife right on my bumper!! :D
I noticed you kept saying cost was the only downside to the kswap. If you don't mind me asking...not counting labor what is the ballpark price for everything needed parts wise? I'm debating whether to do 2zz turbo or k24a turbo. Thank you for your time.
Thank you for the review, you brought up good points. As an engineer, I was hoping to have the 5 points bullet listed and reviewed item by item, so I was clear about what they were. I sped through the additional comments and tried to get the gist and this us my take, not necessarily in order:
1) K series availability is great
2) Stock power is much better, and the ability to use standard internals for higher power applications,
3) Lots of aftermarket support
4) Reliability
5) ?
I'm in the middle of a turbo 2zz swap. But hey man as long as your happy with the set up you got (despite the current issues) and it puts a smile on your face, that's all that matters.
Apprecaite that man!! Thanks so much for the support 2zz turbo sounds fun!
Combine K-series power with MR2 handling and braking. You can't get much better than that for under 30k. Plus the car is super light and mid-engine. I'm never selling my MR2 Spyder. I want to buy an mk1 next.
Damn. I remember a k20a front clip was available for 500 around the time I got everything for the 2zz swap and the ItBs I’m making for it. It was SUPER hard to stick with the 2zz route I’m going but honestly I wish I got it anyway....
man that mr2 surely looks like a fun build, I just think a K Series is a bit heavy but not too bad. Surely look forward to seeing your upcoming videos on the Spyder soon!
Ooooo the vibes in this video and edit. 👏👏👏 This is prime time 📽️. So much talent. 5K is so close!!! 🏆
Thank you sm! This keeps me going!
While I disagree with your hp output estimates for the 2zz , they’re capable of 210-20 whp (check out R9k) I do agree there’s no contest. K series is just more power and options, especially when you go for the bigger k24.
Fully built there’s 2ZZ in the 240whp range on 93
There almost identical engines but me being a Toyota fan have to agree that at the end of the day, the k series are a better overall motor compared to the 1zz or 2zz. As long as your happy man who cares what anyone else thinks, it's your car at the end of the day, enjoy it and have fun with it!
bruh you using so many "at the end of day", are you from fitment industry lol
They’re pretty far from identical, just the valve angle shows the age of the 2ZZ, it’s a product of the mid-late 90’s and the wide angle shows it, just like a B series. The K series takes the more modern approach and goes for a much more narrow angle, as it’s a product of the early 00’s for the most part. The K series is also capable of more degrees of VVT/VCT and has a slightly better flowing head
great and super inspirational build my man. keep it up and stay safe brother:)
Thanks for the support! You too💪
Even though I run a 220 crank HP 2ZZ, I still would like to go for K20. Same reasons: more aftermakert toys, more useable torque. Although, I personally think that K20 is a better option than K24 just of its ability to rev. But thats perhaps the discussion of HP/rpm vs. Torque :) oh, and here it is also great due to eligibility in the class of up to 2 litres.
Great vids. Check up my channel - there is one vlog in English and I will make more content eventually.
Motoring Matt I agree! I just subscribed to your channel. I apprecaite your support
changing out the oil pump from the k24 to the k20 pump will allow for higher rpm
A k24 at 8000 rpms limit, or a k20 at 8600 limit is only half the question. The gearbox plays a roll as well. U should have a shorter final drive with the k20 to enjoy the benefit of the extra rpm. U cant compare both engines with the same gearbox setings
I wish i had gotten a k20 i got a k24. Had to use so much from k20.
I just bought a Spyder its going to need a lot of work tho
But at 150 bucks i couldn't pass it up
I beat you too it. I got the K24 swap 2 years ago. :P
The power and torque profile of the K20 or K24 fits our car better. That's just a fact.
Problem with 2zz swap is probably the C60 transmission
Wanted to say thanks for the content. I'm on the fence between a k20/24 hybrid build, or a 2ar for my spyder currently. I had a turbo 2zz, but the transmission was extremely fragile, and while I am in love with the idea of a 2.7 NA 2ar build, people are starting to report eb60/62 bearing failures, so I'm a little gunshy about another weak Toyota transmission. No shortage of people abusing the Honda 6spd with huge amounts of boost, and little to no reported failures. Also, I really like those fender flares! Wanna be a cool guy and tell me where I can grab a set?? Thanks!
Cl performance fender flares! Made in Russia. I don’t know if they ship anymore due to everytning that has gone down recently
I agree with you bro there is alot more aftermarket support for those engines. The 2zzge is dosnt got much. You right in every aspect. The 2zzge has only 3 places that make any support for them and only one that has more consistency in makeing parts available for them. The other two stop makeing parts for them.
Great video, I just found your channel and plan to watch the build series. I picked up a 1991 MR2 and I'm starting the K swap. Just posted a video of starting the K24 on my garage floor on the shipping pallet. I'm waiting on the Hux racing cannibal kit which uses the e153 Toyota transmission. I'm near Seattle too so I'll be looking out for your stickers.
Good luck man!
DAAAAAMN DIDNT KNOW THIS WAS CAR AND GUN CHANNEL
Love your videos bro! these make me start looking around for a mk3 keep em going
Agreed. That zzz just like the car itself its soo few out there
Keep up the great content dude, your channel is great.
Thank you for the support! Really appreciate it
dope bro i am happy you came to the dark side and went k series
🙃
I was thinking about the same swap, how about the insurance bro, does it cover the swap?
Should of gone with a 2gr swap. I did a MZ swap in my mr2 and love it. Going to do a 2GR swap next
Ah I just didn’t want to cut my firewall haha but I would if I had an sw20 I would 2gr swap it
@@RedlineRicer from what I been reading on the 2gr swap it's a drop in. Besides one of the mounts that needs to be fabricated.
J32 fits better
I originally wanted to buy an sw20 and 2gr swap it. Ended up buying a spyder to k swap. I read a lot about how 2gr owners were disappointed by the throttle response of the 2gr because it's drive by wire. If you plan to make it a straight line car then it probably won't matter, but I plan on going to the track. Cable driven throttle is so much better for the feel of the car.
@@supers0nic77 2GR’s a better engine though IMO
How much was the swap and what wiring did you use?
Hi, good job..just wondering how much heavier the K motor is compare to 2zz , do you feel any different in the handling department.. cheers
Don’t feel that big of a difference. Don’t know the specific weight difference
Where's the vid on the regrets of using the K20....I'm thinking about the kswap as well, I'd like the comparison
I’ll make a vid of why I regret it! Thansk for the idea
Hey! i just recently got a Spyder and i was wondering if you had a list of where you got your spoiler, back bars, wheels and lights (both headlights and rear) thank you sir!
Scavenged everywhere! A lot of checking online at Facebook marketplace, OfferUp craikigslist. Wheels you can get from any company like Rota wheels, Konig, enkei etc. tailights and headlights are stock
zz's are boring. i went k24 and wouldn't change a thing.
What you think about 2ar-fe swap instead k24?
TLDR; more aftermarket does NOT = better. Why have 20 manifolds to choose from when your car only needs ONE good and proven one? why spread the funding to 20 companies so that 20 might die? why not just have 2 or 3 so that 2 or 3 companies can refine and survive for the future of the platform?? keep things simple - *repeatable, and replaceable*. 10 years from now obscurities will be impossible to replace. and that is the downfall of "TONSSSSS of aftermarket choice"
sometimes "a LOT of aftermarket" isn't necessarily better, the more important question would be if all those choices are interchangeable or SIMILAR quality. As a tuner of many many (many... many) things, I will say this; I'd rather have 2 aftermarket brands to choose from that are both good, than 50 good brands, and 300 hit or miss brands. all of which don't necessarily mesh and the hordes of "idk.. do your research" gatekeepers on the forums who don't actually know (and never did) the answer to questions about all these aftermarket parts. Nothing worse than spending money 3 times for a single task. and it happens all the time to us when some kid brings a pile of parts to assemble onto their engine and they don't even fit together. It also means those 2 brands are go-tos and will generally last longer because of 500 different companies vying for supremacy, hundreds will go bankrupt and things get discontinued, look at the miata scene, they have 3 maybe 4 very good brands to choose from. it's easy to just go grab and forget. all proven. all good. all reliable. and all get plenty of funding (less to choose from = more people buying what's actually available = company longevity)
Well, at first I think you shouldn't compare 2ZZ and K24, even K20 - competition to 2ZZ is B18 from Integra DC2. Even this riny 0,2 liter makes a huge difference in N/A engine, also K-series are couple of years newer. But still B18 is better than 2ZZ, but just not that much. Secodnly, 2ZZ's can whitstand great power, their first problem is not engine, but a gearbox in which 3rd gear fails around 300 horsepower mark. In factory the had maximum output of almost 300 horsepower in Lotus cars, where internals were just the same as VII gen Celica. Maybe they fail above this range, but in such lightweight car I see no point in more than 280 hp at wheels.
Don't mind, I like Honda engines, B18, K20 and F20 are so fantastic, but 2ZZ's are also great. In my opinion stick with Toyota engines in Toyota cars and Honda engine in Honda cars... and what you mentioned about people swapping K20 and K24 to RX-7, also not a big fan of that - kinda hate it to be honest. And for me this tiny japanese cars are all about high rpm, not high torque, so if I had to Honda engine swap MR2 it would be K20, not K24. Also not a big fan of new Type-R Civic's that are turbocharger from factory... it's not the way.
Just my opinion! :)
Lmao shut up
Apart from the aftermarket why would you say the B series over the 2ZZ? They both make around 100hp/liter but the 2ZZ is lighter and has a slightly better head (barely). Is it because of the MMC?
The car is rear heavy and stuffing a heavy k series in it makes it even heavier, 2zz swap has better handeling characteristics because it’s lighter than a k series
Levi Van der Parren the weight difference between 2zz and k20 is far from critical :) the only big and real difference is in cost. But you pay more = you get more.
@@motoringmatt in a straight Line not so much but you Wil upset the cornering balance if you ad weight in the back. Also you can't lift up the car on AL four jack points, it Wil lift the front of the car
@@motoringmatt i'm actually curious why people aren't questioning the weight balance with a k-swap motor more. in my eyes one of the best mr-s setups is the spirit mr-s and in a video by the user touge time you can see the shop owner talk about why his mr2 has a 2zz and not a k. to me the biggest plus of the k swap is the reliability, but in my eyes 2zz is better suited for the mr-s
I also live in the Seattle area and wondered if you know who could help me do a K-swap for my 2000 MR2?
Toyonda in Seattle
in past i had a Silvia and driven Alfa Romeo GTV-spider : surprised for his very good handling (multilinks at rear suspensions)
instead this MR (same as last Celica) is a very economic car, how his interior show so much . sure appling an apposite compressor kit is very simple compare to swapping engines with more torque
Toyota can't build a 4cylinder as good as Honda without strapping a turbo to it k20/k24 are way better engines then the 2zz could hope to be
WELL SAID!!!
Thanks for watching!
How are you doing it? Are you following a guide or are you just savvy enough to know what to do at this point in your life?
Haha appreciate it! Just getting info from the forums and taking it one step at a time! A lot of mistakes and a lot of learning. Luckily the community helps out a lot. I’m still just a kid
One reason I won't k swap Honda have no interest in rwd . So they made a few s2k and unaffordable nsx . Honda run n jump.
Where you located in Washington man? I’m trying to link
Seattle/Bellevue area!
inline 4 NA : honda > toyota
6 cylinder (with or without turbo) : toyota > honda
sports car : honda > toyota
sedan/ truck/ suv : toyota > honda
after market support : honda >>>>>> toyota
Variety of cars > Toyota
Rwd cars > Toyota
Vtec > Honda
K20 or 24?
K24
Hola, Luis de Panamá, tengo un Mr2 año 2000, necesito el cable para abrir tapa de motor, no se como pedirlo que código o serie es el que usa este carro, me podría guiar.
Saludos.
Luis. #16 en el diagrama es lo que buscas.
www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/toyota-oem-cable-engine-lid-boot-release-mr2-spyder-00-05/
5 Reasons why you K swap your MR2
1- You're a Honda fan boy
2- You're a Honda fan boy
3- You're a Honda fan boy
4- You're a Honda fan boy
5- You're a Honda fan boy
I could bet my life that if Honda would've made and MR "cheap" car you would've have that instead.. and is alright.. whatever makes you happy.
Haha!! Hey I appreciate your support regardless. I do love my Honda’s 😂
K series engines stomps everything a 2zz can do, na, turbo, 2zz are too short to what a k can do, not only that, 2zz stock are an horrible peaky engine that only starts to shine for about las 800 rpms k are almost linear engines in stock form.
How much did it cost to k swap it ? Did you do it yourself ?
Around $7k. So far and yes I did it all myself
@@RedlineRicer how much would it cost to if someone else did it for you?
@@RedlineRicerI blew my 3GSTE on my 92 MR2 turbo, would you recommend this K24 swap over a 2GFE V6 if I want to boost it as well? I’d like to be in that 400-600 WHP space all said and done.
I’m just wondering what else I’m going to need to make everything match up, wiring harness wise, turbo, transmission etc.
I think your Kswap with a turbo can make over 1200 hp have a look a PFI Speed. There are way more options available, Kyle from PFI runs over a 1000 with 2 eBay turbos. He can run 9.01 quarter mile times you can also make it four wheel drive if you want to. There are way more k motors available than the 2zz motors, like in the millions of car sold world wide.
2zzge poca fiabilidad,poco rendimiento y no es poco que además poca potencia se le puede sacar...
Honda power
Tesla swap!
nah
too heavy